DeSalvo clears waivers, returns to Yankees
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Did you hear that? That is the sound of me exhaling.
thanks pete…btw how’s the eye-sight??
Great!
Now if we can only sneak Colter Bean through waviers once he’s cut!
I hope you’re feeling well from your surgery, Peter!
Best Wishes for a speedy recovery!
If they cut Colter Bean, I might have to Jihad something.
Lol…I actually am glad DeSalvo is still with the team. I can’t explain why. There’s still potential there…we saw it in 2005…and while he is 25-26 years old, if he pitches well he can always be trade bait. I mean, even Matt Smith got traded last season. So we’ll see.
I think George Steinbrenner is a member of the “Free Colter Bean” cult. It would explain everything.
colter bean is counting his aaa appearances somewhere
I’m surprised.
Yanks staff isn’t that good
C’mon, let’s be serious. CWang won games behind a great lineup but he isn’t dominating. Mussina is still pretty good, not great. Pavano is an absolute tossup, but his time in NY hasn’t given anybody any indication that he is reliable. Pettite was pretty average last year. And Igawa could also go either way. The bullpen lacks a dominant setup man, and after Rivera the pen is basically below-average.
The Yankees have the best lineup in baseball, no doubt. But their pitching staff lacks an ace and really shouldn’t be impressing anyone.
They need Clemens badly. Very badly. Chances are that once they get him they’ll just force him into retirement.
Wang didn’t dominate last year. He had 3.63 ERA. Opposing hitters batted .277 off of him. And in 218 innings he only struck out 76 batters. He’s not even close to being as good as Santana. I think Ervin Santana will have the better career.
CWang has a good sinker but that’s it.
Scott Proctor had his first good season last year, but he might have been overworked. 100+ innings for a reliever is a lot. We’ll see what he does this year.
Yawn.
Don’t you guys ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over again in these threads?
LMAO @ Wang’s sinker being a “good” pitch. It’s a plus-plus pitch, idiot. I won’t even get to the other stuff, it’d just be a waste of my time.
Who are you talking to Halbetron? Lord….
@Halbetron
At least state the facts if you are going to be skeptical.
Of course Wang had a high BAA – he’s a ground-ball pitchter and a good percentage of those have to get through. But you’re right, he wasn’t dominating, and he had a lot of run support – but he ate innings, kept the ball on the ground, and incuded a lot of double plays. He also had a great playoff start. Better than the vast majority of starters, and it’s just his sophomore year.
Mussina was one of the best pitchers in the game the first half of the year, and still ended up toward the top in a lot of stats. He’s obviously getting older and falls off late in the season, but he’s a solid #2/#3.
Pettite is onlty 34 and had one of the lowest ERAs in the NL after the all star break – reportedly, his velocity was up, and it’s not like he’s never succeeded in the AL east before. At least he’s good for a 200 innings.
Pavano is a huge question mark. Igawa is a huge question mark. We’ve got Hughes and bunch of other minor leaguers. So yeah, our rotation is in question but I like it better than last year, espesically considering the long-term implications of having a mix of proven vets on short contracts and young up and comers signed for a while.
wang won 19 games
’nuff said.
Halbetron:
What do you consider dominating? Is it just strikeouts? Do yourself a favor. Check out Mel Stottleymyre’s career statistics. Three times a 20-game winner. Mel wasn’t a strikeout pitcher. He had 113 Ks or so in a year where he pitched over 300 innings and won 20 games. In his last full year he was 16-16 and struck out less than 100 batters while pitching over 270 innings. Don’t let the record fool you. Mel would have killed for some run support. His career ERA was 2.97 and his W-L pct. equalled that of a 16-14 pitcher. Bottom line? Strikeouts don’t equal dominance.
Also, Halbetron (or whatever your name actually is):
Wang’s ERA 3.63
Average league ERA 4.38
in other words, 0.75 lower than average.
Dominating enough for you?
Why is Beam still on the 40 man?
How did we start focusing on Wang when the real conversation here is about the famed Colter Bean?
Pete, any chance you can do a post about Colter Bean?
Halbetron – what would your definition of an ace be exactly? Let me suggest 1 – it would constitute being in the league top 10-15 in key stats, since there’s 14 teams in the league. I know plenty of you statheads out there can throw out some useful analysis here, but let’s just go with the basics.
In ’06 AL Mussina was tied for 14th in wins, 4th in ERA, and tied for 8th in K’s. Wang doesn’t strike anybody out, but he was tied for 1st in wins and 7th in ERA. Starters with ERA’s in the mid 3′s could win for Tampa Bay – it wasn’t the offense. In NL Pettitte was tied for 12th in wins, 10th in K’s, and lagged at 22nd in ERA. That might be average if there were 8 teams in the NL, but we’ve said goodbye to the 50′s, there’s now 16. So Pettitte merely qualifies as a #2 starter behind our 2 aces. Let’s remember also that the lefty’s leaving 1 of the NL’s notorious RH homer parks – not a profile matched by Yankee Stadium.
But I’ll let you tell us your definition of an ace. I’ll give you the concerns re Igawa and Pavano, but few teams show up with stellar 4′s and 5′s. And one of those guys or somebody has to show something to avoid last years’ Game 4 matchup in the playoffs.
Re the dominant setup guy, again, don’t know your definition of dominant, but I’ll try another statistical one: a WHIP of 1.25 or less, K/9 of 7.5 or more, and 750+ pitches thrown (keeps out less actives, situationals). In the AL there where 8 qualifiers. With 14 teams that should qualify as dominant. And many of the expected were there: R. Soriano SEA, S. Shields LAA, J. Zumaya DET, F.Rodney DET, J. Duchscherer OAK. The surprises: R. Betancourt CLE, M. Thornton CHW, and S. Proctor NYY. Hey that last guy is a Yankee!
I guess it comes down to your definition of “ace”, and “dominant”. Or you just don’t know what you’re talking about. One or the other.
Give Haleb a break. He’s probably from Boston and still suffering from post tramatic light-brite disorder.
Apparently we need a “Free Colter Bean” movement – one way or the other. Give him a chance – trade him to KC or the NL!
Hey Peter is there a website we can find out what players are put out on waivers?
Dominating or not, Wang is not the ace of this staff period.
Oftentimes the “Transactions” sections of the SWB Yanks and Trenton Thunder websites have some useful info. I never knew what happened to David Parrish until I checked out the site last season. Not that that really matters, but you get the idea.
Deric, if wang isnt going to be the ace next yr, who is? He cewrtainly was the ace last yr. That should be undisputed. I dont see Moose or pettitte taking over the role. Pavano and Igawa will be lucky to stay in the rotation next yr for a full season. So unless clemens comes to NY or Hughes is promoted early, wang will now be counted upon to lead this staff.
First, pavano has to prove he is not a waste of space. Maybe then he will start to deserve some sort of inkling of respect. He has been nothing but a disgrace since he got to NY. Even through his 100 innings of actually pitching, he sucked. But the yanks should have realized what they were getting themselves into when they signed him for four yrs and forty million. He has been pitching for about ten yrs now and has only three seasons in which he actually pitched a full season. Its not only pavanos fault for sucking but the yankees administration for being stupid enough to sign someone for four yrs with his injury history.
Colter Bean sucks and would get rocked in the big leagues. The Yankees already did DFA Bean during the 2006 season and he did clear waivers.
Are you sure, Ryan? I’m not sure myself, but I would think that would take Bean off the 40-man roster. But he’s still there for some reason……
Some people, as even above, confuse TJ Beam with Colter Bean.
They are different pitchers. One is thought to have a lot of potential and did really well in the Arizona Fall League. The other is thought to have no potential yet is also on the 40-man roster, strange, as Swo indicated, since he was cut.
Here is the Yankee 40 man roster link:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
[...] Otherwise…there’s a whole bunch of nothing going on prospect wise. Matt DeSalvo was dropped from the 40-man roster, but he cleared waivers, so it’s no biggie. He was sent outright to Triple-A Scranton, not Double-A Trenton, meaning that either Tyler Clippard will be returning to Trenton to start ‘07, or that DeSalvo will be used in relief. Either way, who cares. Both won’t finish the season where they start it anyway. [...]
kudos to you all… i was wondering how a blog centered around matt desalvo could reach even 30 posts, but somehow, you all have managed to do it.
i would imagine at this point, with the new arms added to the system and desalvo’s diminishing starting pitching prospect prowess, clippard will start as the SP in AAA, and desalvo will go to the ‘pen.
News flash to those who posted views of Wang’s lack of strike outs as a negative – he’s not a strikeout pitcher! Look at where he ranks in ground ball outs and DP’s. That is also why he eats a lot of innings and is so consistent. Obviously strikeouts are great, but they also tend to require more pitches to get the out. His sinker is not good, it’s flat out nasty and anyone who doesn’t know that has never watched him pitch or read a scouting report on him. He is the most dominant and, equally important, the most consistent pitcher we have now that Moose is getting older and doesn’t hold up through the whole season anymore. Anyone who thinks a mid-3 ERA is not very good is an idiot. Look at the rankings and read a little. Guys with a 4.00 – 4.50 ERA these days are even considered “good,” particularly with all the high powered offenses in the AL.
Put Wang in the NL and his ERA would drop to 2 1/2, Santana, probably 2, maybe even lower.
The problem Chris, is that he had a much greater K rate in the minors, and that historically, almost no pitchers remained effective over the course of a career with such a low K rate.
He may prove to be an outlier, but that remains to be seen until he has a much larger body of work.
You gotta be kidding Dave. Wang won 19 games but he wasn’t the ace last year, and he shouldn’t be(Moose says hello?). If a pitcher doesn’t even have the stuff to consider be an ace, how could he be the ace of the pitching staff(unless your staff sucks like the Royals then you could have a guy like Gil Meche to be an ace…lol)?
This is just common sense! As I have said, Wang did perform well last year, but he shouldn’t be considered the ace. Wang was not an ace and he is no ace and he never will be.
I agree Rich, too soon to really say with Wang, and the reality is if Hughes is what he’s expected/projected to be, he’s the ace in a year or two anyway, and Wang will likely be a very solid and reliable #2 or 3, maybe even 4 if some of these other young guys come to fruition also..
Deric, he won more games and was more consistent than anyone else on the staff last year. Gets back to how you define ace I guess. Mussina was certainly the ace of the first half, but he fell off a bit and it was Wang who you looked to when we had to have a win, thus, he started game 1 of the playoffs. Last time I checked, Game 1 goes to your Ace, or ace of the moment at least. Torre had plenty of time to set up the playoff rotation and Wang got the nod for that game.
Let’s face it, “ace” is a relative term and it was thrown around last year with different names as time went on… When was the last time the Yankees had a clear cut ace? When we had Clemens, Mussina, Pettitte, Wells… Clemens was considered the ace, but at times Moose was more the guy we went to for the big win (including several big games in Boston, where he was lights out against Pedro on more than one occasion). At least 3 of those guys, if not all, could have been the “ace” of other staffs, or at one time or another were considered the ace of our staff…
Wow, at least I know if I ever need some conventional wisdom I know where to come.
Now I know why I don’t stop by the comments section more often. All of you have eyes but so few have brains, and too many let your eyes do the thinking.
Desalvo with potential! Ha! That’s why no other team wants him – sort of like Cairo, Mfrhjgfd, Nieves, Chavez, Terrence Long, Scott Erickson…
Moose as a ace!? That’s a good one. Maybe in 1999.
What next – Ross saying that the Yankee lineup is so stacked that they don’t need a good 1B?
[...] Yankee pitcher Matt DeSalvo has cleared waivers reports Peter Abraham. [...]
Chris
I agree with you at some point, we all define the term “ace” differently; to me the number of wins definitely is not the first thing that I would look into.
Jim the Brainless
Why Moose shouldn’t be considered an ace?? Moose had a better H/9, BB/9, K/9, and ERA than Wang last year. That is more than enough for him to be qualified.
So sick of reading Jim the brainless’s comments, could someone please ask him to stop? Just ask him to shut up!
Now I know why I don’t stop by the comments section more often. All of you have eyes but so few have brains, and too many let your eyes do the thinking.
Jim
February 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pm
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Nice touch trying to make a point. Perhaps if you had a point. Other than the one to keep the dunce cap from sliding off.
I don’t disagree with that either Deric, wins can’t be the sole factor. I think of it more as the guy you want on the game in a big spot that gives you the best CHANCE to win… He can’t do it himself, so all you can ask is to keep them in the game and give them that chance.
I always think back to 2001 when the Rocket won the AL Cy Young. That year, he seemed to get a TON of run support and Mussina seemed to get none. Clemens finished with an ERA of 3.51 and a 20-3 record, while Mussina ended up 17-11 with a 3.15.
Deric,
Wang may not be our ace next yr but he is being counted on to be the ace of the staff. And he certainly was our ace last yr. You put your ace in the first game of the playoffs (not your number two or three guy.) Yea, Moose was dominant for half of a season. Wang pitched the most innings and more importantly, got handed the ball in that first game. He also won 19, with the most innings and was second in the cy young vote. Just because he didnt have alot of strikeout and gave up a lot of hits doesnt mean he wasnt the ace last yr. Go ask torre who was our ace in 2006- it was wang. And he will be counted on to do so once again.
to finish my earlier thought, I feel like Wang was the ace last year not just because he won more games, but because of his consistency. We were in just about every game that he pitched, which is why his win total was so high. he only had 2 more wins than RJ, but I don’t think anyone will argue that he was the ace last year with his 5+ ERA.. and the 8 million runs per game he was given, seemed like every other game he pitched we were fighting back in the 7th inning to get him a win he didn’t deserve after giving up 6.
I think the problem is that most people think of an Ace as a lights-out, dominant pitcher that strikes out 10 a game and just gets “sexier” stats. Wang is quiet and reliable, doesn’t get as much glamour for it, but the results end up the same in terms of how he helps the team and how valuable he is..
If we get Clemens back, he may be the “ace,” but will he be as valuable as Wang? Considering he’ll pitch half as many games, that’d be tough to argue. Obviously, October will be the ultimate measure.
Dave, still speaking the sense around here. They’re lucky to have you. Preach to your flock!
And it looks like Chris could join your congregation. (Note on Moose’s 2001 – that’s the only year with the Yanks he even came close to being an ace. And he still wasn’t.)
There may be some hope in here afterall.
I’m sorry Captain Arrogance, when did I say Moose was the ace? Learn how to work past your own ignorance and you might have a chance at a valuable thought on here. Till then………….
Who invited the Mets fan anyway?
A Q, and one that I am almost embarrased to ask. Here goes, how do you link to a page and then incorporate that into a word or phrase such as you see many posters doing. I know how to post links just not how to switch the format.
I agree. An ace should be the guy that gives you the best chance to win, but speaking in terms of consistency, Moose was pretty consisent too with the number of Quality Starts he had even in the second half of the season. Wang definitely was doing a better job down the stretch, that’s why he got to start in Game 1, so I am not gonna argue with those brainless people. Go ask Joe Torre who our ace was in 2006 and he would tell you Moose as indicated in Game 2 of the ALDS last year.
There’s still hope Jim, if you and Dave would please stop posting comments here without common sense because it seems like there’s only the two of you who are having problems with the rest of the world.
I honestly think there simply was no absolute ace last year, no clear cut go-to guy from start to finish.. 1st half of the year, that definitely was Moose, second half, no question it was Wang, with Moose a close second. I don’t think there’s any argument that can be made that either of them was the ace for the year as a whole.
Oh Torre thought Moose was the ace so he pitched him in game two. It makes perfect sense. You are an absolutely genius deric. Cogratulations on the most nonsensical post of the whole comment section. BTW no one is agreeing with your assessment that Moose was considered the ace last yr. The rest of the world doesnt agree with you either. Nice try thought saying that Torre pitched his ace in game two. Truly brilliant.
100% agree Chris, another point that I wanna make is, don’t expect Wang to repeat himself this year.
I dont – the only question is who will replace wang?
Dave the brainless,
You clearly don’t understand how Joe Torre’s theory works. History shows that he is in favor of using his best pitcher to start in the second game of a playoff series. The reason is because he believes that the second game of a series is always a critical point of the series. If you are already up 1-0 after the first game, you would always wanna go up to 2-0, but if you lose in the first game, you don’t wanna fall behind 2-0 in a series.
All I was trying to say is, having Wang pitching in Game of the ALDS last year doesn’t show anything. I was intend to correct your mistake, not to argue with you.
Deric,
What are you, fifteen? It’s time you grow up, son. At least until you can buy a beer legally.
The answer to all this stupid quibbling is this – Jim, name 5 aces, not including Santana who obvious even to you, in the majors last year? Everybody else – how many aces can there be in baseball at any one time?
By the way, on DeSalvo, just ’cause he’s assigned to Scranton’s roster it doesn’t mean that’s where he’ll pitch. Given last year’s performance he’s very likely back in Trenton. The Scranton bullpen is just about as full as the rotation.
I don’t get why DeSalvo is important enough to even merrit this conversation that has centered around anyone BUT him…….
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