Yankees fall to Reds
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Mar 22, 2007 
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The Yankees were up 7-4 when I went in the clubhouse to interview Carl Pavano. When we went out on the field to interview Joe Torre they had been beaten 8-7.
I have no idea what happened.
But I do know a few things: Chien-Ming Wang threw 64 pitches over six innings against the Class AAA Phillies back in Tampa. He allowed three runs on five hits with no walks and four strikeouts.
Chris Britton pitched in the same game and threw two scoreless innings. No walks and three strikeouts.
Scott Proctor faced a Class AA team and allowed two hits in two scoreless innings. He had no walks and two strikeouts.
Torre said that Carl Pavano “looked great.”
_Torre said that Carl Pavano “looked great.�_
Were Torre and I watched the same game?
“I have no idea what happened.”
Ron Villone who else
This is what happened:
1. Pitcher gets a 2RBI single off Pavano.
2. Villone comes out of the pen.
3. Rivera was not the closer.
Won’t happen in the regular season. Well, the first one might happen and the second looks less and less likely.
Love Villone, but he’s not really helping his cause. Many observers may be right that his career stats are truly indicative of what kind of pitcher Ron really is. Why does Torre paint himself into these corners by basically giving jobs to guys like Villone and Phillips before ST even begins?
seems like wang is getting more strikeouts this year … hopefully he’ll keep that up during the regular season.
Why do major-league pitchers always go pitch in minor-league games and get lit up? I guess it’s hard to get the juices going pitching against minor leaguers.
That is puzzling, but I’m guessing they’re just more inclined to experiment there more than anywhere else. They don’t know the hitters, but that can be said of most ST lineups too.
The “Pavano looked great” mantra is starting to get old.
it’s spring training, i am sure what torre and guidry were looking for differs from what we are looking for. they want to see how the ball leaves his hand, they want to see if his delivery is free and easy, they want to see movement, velocity, etc.
what they DON’T care about (yet) is results.
if pavano gives up a seeing eye single, it’s not important.
it’s entirely possible torre thought he looked great, while people at home saw him give up lots of hits and think he stunk.
_it’s entirely possible torre thought he looked great, while people at home saw him give up lots of hits and think he stunk._
Nope. I know how to watch a Spring Training game. I saw Pavano throw and the only thing about him that looked good was his delivery. He had no poise; he had very little in the way of command. His pitches weren’t doing much of anything, and in terms of results, he got a few lucky hops to get out of jams. His pitching didn’t inspire much confidence.
I hear Atlanta’s got a promising young catching prospect….anyone want a Pavana and $8M?
In his defense, Pavano was getting grounders, stayed on the mound without suffering a catastrophic strain of his gluteus maximus, and threw a fair number of strikes. All things considered, that’s an upgrade over the Carl Pavano of last year. Maybe more of those grounders turn into outs next time.
Pavano will never live up to the contract that Cashman gave him. Cash made a major miscalculation and gambled that the year and half from 2003 to 2004 represented the real Carl Pavano, a relatively young pitcher. He was wrong. That said, the contract isn’t killing the Yankees because, well…they’re the Yankees. All he needs to do is outpitch the 2006 version of Shawn Chacon, who filled the fourth starter role last year. Shawn Chacon posted an ERA north of eight, so that shouldn’t be too difficult.
The Yankees don’t need all five pitchers to pitch well to win games. And who knows what the rotation will look like in October, what with Hughes, Sanchez, Olendorf, and Clippard banging on the back door.
Villone shouldn’t make the team, and stands as a testament to Joe Torre’s managerial ineptitude. He ignored the man for the better part of two months, then worked him live a slave laborer in the Gulag. Phelps owns Phillips in every respect, and should be Minky’s platoon partner.
does this mean sean henn is going to get the left reliever role?
Very simply…here it is…on Pavano…BUST
Henn isn’t even getting a fair shot.
Edwin Encarnacion won it for the Reds with a tiebreaking double in the ninth off T.J. Beam.
Oh well.
*Ron*
What are you talking about? Shawn Chacon as the Yanks’ fourth starter last year? Do you forget Jaret Wright?
Chacon made 11 starts and threw 63 innings before getting traded from the Yanks. That hardly qualifies him to be considered the fourth or fifth starter for the 2006 team.
Joe needs to stop this. Just because Pavano hasn’t lost a leg yet doesn’t mean he is pitching “great”. He has built up so much paranoia about his health that instead of being focused on how well he pitches, we are just praying he makes it out of a 4 inning start without a season-ending hangnail.
Wang’ game: three runs on two homers: one solo shot and a two-run homer all off 4-seam fastball…
Looks like he is working on his commands and locations, every inning throw almost same pitch, and change the next inning…(most on 4 seamers and changeups.)
Also from Taiwanese news: 4th inning almost hit by(or did glanced, there are two versions)a ball of his left shoulder, sixth inning almost hit by a broken bat…..(reported both time the batter is Chris Roberson??)
http://udn.com/NEWS/SPORTS/SPOS1/3773555.shtml
http://www.ettoday.com/2007/03/23/341-2071252.htm
The ettv news showed that ball came really close to Wang’s left shoulder….
Meat is probably a ~4.75 ERA pitcher in the AL East (when he actually pitched, IIRC his ERA was 4.77). That’s not great, but it’s also better than Josh Beckett last year
Phelps with another dinger. I like Andy Philips and all, but he got a fair shot and didn’t hit. I really wish the Yanks would try Phelps.