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	<title>Comments on: Bruney finds a way as Yanks win in 13</title>
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		<title>By: Big Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.  Torre has now lost more than he has won.  His pitching management acumen remains suspect at best, most recently evidenced by last night&#039;s debacle.  

Anyone into Sabremetrics?  I am not sure where, but he makes the point that it is far more beneficial to bring your closer in late in the game even with a tie.  I will try to reference this as the statistical argument was quite compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.  Torre has now lost more than he has won.  His pitching management acumen remains suspect at best, most recently evidenced by last night&#8217;s debacle.  </p>
<p>Anyone into Sabremetrics?  I am not sure where, but he makes the point that it is far more beneficial to bring your closer in late in the game even with a tie.  I will try to reference this as the statistical argument was quite compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randolph K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as usual Sleepy Torre makes a mess of managing the bullpen. Why not keep Mo in for a second inining. He may not wear out MO but the rest of the bullpen is in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as usual Sleepy Torre makes a mess of managing the bullpen. Why not keep Mo in for a second inining. He may not wear out MO but the rest of the bullpen is in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: nyyfaninlaaland</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyyfaninlaaland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting points Jeremy, but had Torre left Mo in for a 2nd inning he&#039;d be unavailable today, Bruney still would have pitched and also likely been unavailable today after a 36 pitch outing and then back last night. 

At least now Myers, Henn and Mo can go today. In your scenario only the first 2 remain, same game result.

On Rasner, I&#039;d have stuck with him a little more as well. Pete made the point that it was only his 2nd start, but he actually threw a couple more pitches in the first one. To be a little fair, though, the pen is gassed predominantly because of 2 extras games. 6 extra innings in 2 days would blow out anybody&#039;s pen. But they should consider sending Rasner down if Moose and Pavano look okay today, bringing Britton or somebody up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points Jeremy, but had Torre left Mo in for a 2nd inning he&#8217;d be unavailable today, Bruney still would have pitched and also likely been unavailable today after a 36 pitch outing and then back last night. </p>
<p>At least now Myers, Henn and Mo can go today. In your scenario only the first 2 remain, same game result.</p>
<p>On Rasner, I&#8217;d have stuck with him a little more as well. Pete made the point that it was only his 2nd start, but he actually threw a couple more pitches in the first one. To be a little fair, though, the pen is gassed predominantly because of 2 extras games. 6 extra innings in 2 days would blow out anybody&#8217;s pen. But they should consider sending Rasner down if Moose and Pavano look okay today, bringing Britton or somebody up.</p>
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		<title>By: Giambi repays Oakland &#171; Vince&#8217;s Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giambi repays Oakland &#171; Vince&#8217;s Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The bullpen returned to flawlessness, throwing 7.2 scoreless innings and giving up just 2 hits. Henn, Myers, Vizcaino, Rivera and Bruney all have ERA&#8217;s of under 1.30. Red Sox castoff, Lenny Dinardo pitched well in 3 innings of relief for Oakland, but was the victim of the Giambi long ball to give him his first loss this season. Brian Bruney picked up the Yankees win one night after he lost a game, and he was more than a little excited to have it come against Travis Buck. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The bullpen returned to flawlessness, throwing 7.2 scoreless innings and giving up just 2 hits. Henn, Myers, Vizcaino, Rivera and Bruney all have ERA&#8217;s of under 1.30. Red Sox castoff, Lenny Dinardo pitched well in 3 innings of relief for Oakland, but was the victim of the Giambi long ball to give him his first loss this season. Brian Bruney picked up the Yankees win one night after he lost a game, and he was more than a little excited to have it come against Travis Buck. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BBFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If A-Rod made all these errors like Jeter, so many would be ready to run him out of town.   Why are the same characters defending Jeter when he is sub par defensively.  In additon to these errors, how many times we see that he has no range to his left and opposing hitters get so many singles in stead of outs...

If you want to be so demanding on A-Rod, that is fine.  Then be fair to yourself and expect the same from Jeter or any other player for that matter including Abreau.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If A-Rod made all these errors like Jeter, so many would be ready to run him out of town.   Why are the same characters defending Jeter when he is sub par defensively.  In additon to these errors, how many times we see that he has no range to his left and opposing hitters get so many singles in stead of outs&#8230;</p>
<p>If you want to be so demanding on A-Rod, that is fine.  Then be fair to yourself and expect the same from Jeter or any other player for that matter including Abreau.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pitching mismanagement is a combination play.  Its Torre and Guidry.  The pitching coach can&#039;t be absolved of blame.

Both guys have to do a better job of managing arms.  Its comical at times to see how they overwork some guys and put severe restrictions on others.

I, too agree that the priority last night should have been bullpen preservation, prior to the start of the game.  If  Rasner needed 120 pitches to throw 7 innings last night, so what?  If he can&#039;t go in his next start, just call someone up from AAA to make the start.  They have Wang, Karstans and Mussina on the horizon for their comebacks.  They don&#039;t need to baby Rasner.

Is it really worth saving Darrell Rasner over the entire bullpen?

I know its a point that can be debated but, sometimes, one guy has to &quot;take one for the team&quot; instead of an entire bullpen being on fumes 10 days into the season.

The pitching mismanagement is a real issue with the Yankees, IMO.  If 40 year old Curt Schilling can pitch 7-8 innings a start, Darrell Rasner can be stretched out for one start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pitching mismanagement is a combination play.  Its Torre and Guidry.  The pitching coach can&#8217;t be absolved of blame.</p>
<p>Both guys have to do a better job of managing arms.  Its comical at times to see how they overwork some guys and put severe restrictions on others.</p>
<p>I, too agree that the priority last night should have been bullpen preservation, prior to the start of the game.  If  Rasner needed 120 pitches to throw 7 innings last night, so what?  If he can&#8217;t go in his next start, just call someone up from AAA to make the start.  They have Wang, Karstans and Mussina on the horizon for their comebacks.  They don&#8217;t need to baby Rasner.</p>
<p>Is it really worth saving Darrell Rasner over the entire bullpen?</p>
<p>I know its a point that can be debated but, sometimes, one guy has to &#8220;take one for the team&#8221; instead of an entire bullpen being on fumes 10 days into the season.</p>
<p>The pitching mismanagement is a real issue with the Yankees, IMO.  If 40 year old Curt Schilling can pitch 7-8 innings a start, Darrell Rasner can be stretched out for one start.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That caused Bruney 10 more pitchesâ€¦.&quot;

3 pitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That caused Bruney 10 more pitchesâ€¦.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 pitches.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart, it was a tough catch for jorge, do you think the a&#039;s bench was helping as to where he was?  They were probably yelling watch it watch it, to make him think he was near the stairs.  at home maybe you could kill him for that, since he knows the field, but on the road, you can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart, it was a tough catch for jorge, do you think the a&#8217;s bench was helping as to where he was?  They were probably yelling watch it watch it, to make him think he was near the stairs.  at home maybe you could kill him for that, since he knows the field, but on the road, you can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, Torre has been a below average bullpen manager for years.   nothing that happened last night should have come as a surprise.

someone in the organization REALLY needs to sit Torre down and explain to him that it is OK to use Rivera in a tie game on the road.  if Farnsworth lost that game last night, and the yankees lost TWO extra inning games in a row with the greatest reliever of all time never removing his jacket, that would have been completely inexcusable.  

this slavery to the &quot;save&quot; statistic already cost the Yankees a World Series (Jeff Weaver anyone?) and he still hasn&#039;t learned from it.  It&#039;s really not that hard:  on the road in extra innings, IF YOU GIVE UP A RUN, YOU LOSE.   that&#039;s it.  you can&#039;t keep saving your best reliever until you score.  you might not get that chance.  you use your best reliever for as long as you can and you give your offense as many chances as possible.  if mariano is done before you score, you deal with who will save the game later.  you can&#039;t let an inferior pitcher lose the game for you before you&#039;ve gone to your best.

also, travis buck may have picked the wrong dude to irritate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, Torre has been a below average bullpen manager for years.   nothing that happened last night should have come as a surprise.</p>
<p>someone in the organization REALLY needs to sit Torre down and explain to him that it is OK to use Rivera in a tie game on the road.  if Farnsworth lost that game last night, and the yankees lost TWO extra inning games in a row with the greatest reliever of all time never removing his jacket, that would have been completely inexcusable.  </p>
<p>this slavery to the &#8220;save&#8221; statistic already cost the Yankees a World Series (Jeff Weaver anyone?) and he still hasn&#8217;t learned from it.  It&#8217;s really not that hard:  on the road in extra innings, IF YOU GIVE UP A RUN, YOU LOSE.   that&#8217;s it.  you can&#8217;t keep saving your best reliever until you score.  you might not get that chance.  you use your best reliever for as long as you can and you give your offense as many chances as possible.  if mariano is done before you score, you deal with who will save the game later.  you can&#8217;t let an inferior pitcher lose the game for you before you&#8217;ve gone to your best.</p>
<p>also, travis buck may have picked the wrong dude to irritate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add something positive to balance out that last post.  My fiancee Katherine and I stayed up to watch that the end of the game against our better judgment.  I had already watched Friday&#039;s extra-inning loss on Yankees Encore on Saturday morning, and did not feel like seeing another extra-inning loss on Saturday night.  Top of the tenth, we agreed to turn off the TV if the Yankees didn&#039;t score.  Katherine, who had been fighting to stay awake, got a second wind.  The TV stayed on.  Top of the eleventh we made the same agreement to turn off the TV and once again broke it.  Top of the twelfth, nothing was said about turning off the TV.  We were in it to the end. 

Thirteenth, we watched Giambi homer, followed by Bruney pulling himself together and closing out the game.  We basked in the satisfaction of having made the right decision and fell asleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add something positive to balance out that last post.  My fiancee Katherine and I stayed up to watch that the end of the game against our better judgment.  I had already watched Friday&#8217;s extra-inning loss on Yankees Encore on Saturday morning, and did not feel like seeing another extra-inning loss on Saturday night.  Top of the tenth, we agreed to turn off the TV if the Yankees didn&#8217;t score.  Katherine, who had been fighting to stay awake, got a second wind.  The TV stayed on.  Top of the eleventh we made the same agreement to turn off the TV and once again broke it.  Top of the twelfth, nothing was said about turning off the TV.  We were in it to the end. </p>
<p>Thirteenth, we watched Giambi homer, followed by Bruney pulling himself together and closing out the game.  We basked in the satisfaction of having made the right decision and fell asleep.</p>
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