Comments on: Greetings from Tampa http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/ A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:50:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: steve http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27465 steve Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:44:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27465 i agree he needs to learn in AAA, what he really needs to learn is what its like to struggle and see how he can react to it, but if he continues to dominate then he HAS to come up ... as for a back up catcher nieves is pretty bad, but a back up catcher is one of the hardest positions to find in the majors, navarro was going to be a pretty good back up but he ended up getting traded away i think cash needs to trade away some of this pitching for a good young catcher. the yanks have good young pitching, but they have too much, theres not enough room for everyone at AAA i agree he needs to learn in AAA, what he really needs to learn is what its like to struggle and see how he can react to it, but if he continues to dominate then he HAS to come up … as for a back up catcher nieves is pretty bad, but a back up catcher is one of the hardest positions to find in the majors, navarro was going to be a pretty good back up but he ended up getting traded away i think cash needs to trade away some of this pitching for a good young catcher. the yanks have good young pitching, but they have too much, theres not enough room for everyone at AAA

]]> By: murphydog http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27460 murphydog Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:37:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27460 randy 1: Wow, I didn't realize Will was that um, "offensively challenged." Still, if the pitching was even half way healthy, we wouldn't need so much extra offense to over come bad replacement starting and the pen wouldn't be burned out and would hold leads. With a healthy Matsui - - but no Posada - - we can still probably carry Minky and Nieves. So I think Cash made a rational, if not perfect decision, when he made the back up catcher choice. (But that's when Murphy's Law usually goes into effect, isn't it?) randy 1:

Wow, I didn’t realize Will was that um, “offensively challenged.”

Still, if the pitching was even half way healthy, we wouldn’t need so much extra offense to over come bad replacement starting and the pen wouldn’t be burned out and would hold leads. With a healthy Matsui – - but no Posada – - we can still probably carry Minky and Nieves. So I think Cash made a rational, if not perfect decision, when he made the back up catcher choice. (But that’s when Murphy’s Law usually goes into effect, isn’t it?)

]]> By: murphydog http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27444 murphydog Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:28:10 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27444 I got you steve. I just think they are treating him as a long term asset rather than a short term solution and they prefer that he learns at AAA for a few months more. I got you steve. I just think they are treating him as a long term asset rather than a short term solution and they prefer that he learns at AAA for a few months more.

]]> By: EV http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27441 EV Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:26:35 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27441 "When are we going to wake up and realize that proctor is a liability and not an asset? Someone who is smarter than me give me the stats on this guy and tell me why we waste games on him?" Please tell me you're joking. Proctor was a major part of the team last year, and there are plenty of times he comes in and does a terrific job. I believe Friday night he came in with 2 men on and no one out and no runs scored. Is that not what they call "clutch"? So he has a bad outing. Big deal. Every pitcher, no matter how good they are, will have some stinkers now and then. Oh, and you want stats? 2006: Games - 83 IP - 102.1 ERA - 3.52 SO - 89 BB - 33 WHIP - 1.19 Looks good to me. “When are we going to wake up and realize that proctor is a liability and not an asset? Someone who is smarter than me give me the stats on this guy and tell me why we waste games on him?”

Please tell me you’re joking. Proctor was a major part of the team last year, and there are plenty of times he comes in and does a terrific job. I believe Friday night he came in with 2 men on and no one out and no runs scored. Is that not what they call “clutch”? So he has a bad outing. Big deal. Every pitcher, no matter how good they are, will have some stinkers now and then.

Oh, and you want stats?
2006:
Games – 83
IP – 102.1
ERA – 3.52
SO – 89
BB – 33
WHIP – 1.19

Looks good to me.

]]> By: randy l http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27438 randy l Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:25:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27438 murphydog- "As for talent, I’m not sure Nieves is a lot worse than some back up catchers" here's a 2006 partial list: mike redmond-min-.341 mark lieberthal - phi- .273 david ross- cinn-.251 laird -tx .255 blanco-chc-.241 jose molina-cal-.240 torrealba-col-.328 valentin-cinn.269 sntder-arz-.277 greeene-sf .289 bennet-sl- .223 treanor-fla.229 wilson-detroit-.283 paul-tampa-.260 rivera-mil-.268 fick-wash-.266 castro-nym.238 a few of these guys are probably starting in 2007, but they were catchers with 100-200 at bats last year . nieves really is that bad. out of 60 catchers in 2007 in batting average,he's #59. he's a lifetime .140 hitter. so ok, cashman isn't going to be like tampa bay or like the marlins as far as being cheap, and you're saying he'll spend when he needs to . i hope you're right. when theo epstein passed on abreau last summer while still trying to cut back and go with young and cheap" the balance of power shifted and the red sox imploded. as long as cashman isn't going to carry this young and cheap too far i get what you are saying. the twins have a back up in redman who hit .341 last year. they even have a triple a catcher who is better than nieves. if nieves was in their organization he'd be at double a. the twins have payroll of 50-60 million. how do they do it at back up catching? the yankees have 185 million. what's another million to get a good back up? in this case younger ans cheaper has come back to bite the yankees in the butt. i agree it's bad luck so much focus has come on nieves, but in baseball there's an old saying that the ball has a way of finding the weak spot. murphydog-
“As for talent, I’m not sure Nieves is a lot worse than some back up catchers”

here’s a 2006 partial list:
mike redmond-min-.341
mark lieberthal – phi- .273
david ross- cinn-.251
laird -tx .255
blanco-chc-.241
jose molina-cal-.240
torrealba-col-.328
valentin-cinn.269
sntder-arz-.277
greeene-sf .289
bennet-sl- .223
treanor-fla.229
wilson-detroit-.283
paul-tampa-.260
rivera-mil-.268
fick-wash-.266
castro-nym.238
a few of these guys are probably starting in 2007, but they were catchers with 100-200 at bats last year . nieves really is that bad. out of 60 catchers in 2007 in batting average,he’s #59.
he’s a lifetime .140 hitter.
so ok, cashman isn’t going to be like tampa bay or like the marlins as far as being cheap, and you’re saying he’ll spend when he needs to . i hope you’re right. when theo epstein passed on abreau last summer while still trying to cut back and go with young and cheap” the balance of power shifted and the red sox imploded.
as long as cashman isn’t going to carry this young and cheap too far i get what you are saying.
the twins have a back up in redman who hit .341 last year. they even have a triple a catcher who is better than nieves. if nieves was in their organization he’d be at double a.
the twins have payroll of 50-60 million. how do they do it at back up catching? the yankees have 185 million. what’s another million to get a good back up? in this case younger ans cheaper has come back to bite the yankees in the butt. i agree it’s bad luck so much focus has come on nieves, but in baseball there’s an old saying that the ball has a way of finding the weak spot.

]]> By: steve http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27433 steve Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:18:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27433 murphydog, what i meant by wasting his talent is if he continues to throw 10K starts while chase wright is up in the majors giving up 4 hrs in a row or rasner or karstens, if hughes is dominating AAA in may. bring him up. limit his innings, i dont care. but bring him up. murphydog, what i meant by wasting his talent is if he continues to throw 10K starts while chase wright is up in the majors giving up 4 hrs in a row or rasner or karstens, if hughes is dominating AAA in may. bring him up. limit his innings, i dont care. but bring him up.

]]> By: murphydog http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27427 murphydog Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:13:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27427 Scott Kazmir is an interesting guy. He's got a lot of talent, but is having trouble harnessing it and learning to do something other than try to strike everybody out. He's throwing too many pitches as a result. Is it bad coaching and he can't pace himself? Too much responsibility to be an "ace" that he fears trying to get batters to get themselves out? Are there any other Yankee fans who see Kazmir as a set up guy or future closer... maybe for us? Scott Kazmir is an interesting guy. He’s got a lot of talent, but is having trouble harnessing it and learning to do something other than try to strike everybody out. He’s throwing too many pitches as a result. Is it bad coaching and he can’t pace himself? Too much responsibility to be an “ace” that he fears trying to get batters to get themselves out?

Are there any other Yankee fans who see Kazmir as a set up guy or future closer… maybe for us?

]]> By: murphydog http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27423 murphydog Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:04:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27423 steve: Nobody is wasting Hughes' talent. You need to talk to Francisco Liriano and Felix King Hernandez. steve:

Nobody is wasting Hughes’ talent. You need to talk to Francisco Liriano and Felix King Hernandez.

]]> By: Jeff NJ http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27416 Jeff NJ Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:59:27 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27416 Re Proctor, the guy looked fantastic for the first two days, the problem was it was the 3rd day in a row that killed us. Re Proctor, the guy looked fantastic for the first two days, the problem was it was the 3rd day in a row that killed us.

]]> By: steve http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27414 steve Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:57:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/23/greetings-from-tampa-2/#comment-27414 i don't think hughes is ready just yet, hes close, but not yet, all he needs is his change up but if hughes throws a few more 10 K starts, i'm sorry but he needs to be called up, you're just wasting his talent down there, but on the other hand if he struggles or is so so, just let him be down there. i don’t think hughes is ready just yet, hes close, but not yet, all he needs is his change up but if hughes throws a few more 10 K starts, i’m sorry but he needs to be called up, you’re just wasting his talent down there, but on the other hand if he struggles or is so so, just let him be down there.

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