Comments on: Wang was on a pitch count http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:16:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rover http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29867 rover Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:34:50 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29867 strategy is only as good as its execution, hence the hero/goat mentality on the blogs. strategy is only as good as its execution, hence the hero/goat mentality on the blogs.

]]> By: rover http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29866 rover Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:28:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29866 wangers arm was not being protected. both legs take a beating, one creates power and torgue, the other has to stop it. give torre a break. wangers arm was not being protected. both legs take a beating, one creates power and torgue, the other has to stop it. give torre a break.

]]> By: Girardi http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29729 Girardi Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:02:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29729 SJ44, from what I've seen, you and I are kindred spirits and I basically agree with everything you say. Unfortunately, the thing I've found to disagree with you on is the notion that Torre is gone should they lose 5 more. If only that were true! Unfortunately, while I tend to trust Cashman implicitly, regarding Torre he seems to have these massive blinders on. I don't get it. It truly is a dilemma for me that Cashman can be so smart - and yet be so dumb when it comes to the "manager". Oh yeah, and do yourself a favor and ignore Anaconda. Torre Defenders have no place in any intelligent conversation. SJ44, from what I’ve seen, you and I are kindred spirits and I basically agree with everything you say. Unfortunately, the thing I’ve found to disagree with you on is the notion that Torre is gone should they lose 5 more. If only that were true! Unfortunately, while I tend to trust Cashman implicitly, regarding Torre he seems to have these massive blinders on. I don’t get it. It truly is a dilemma for me that Cashman can be so smart – and yet be so dumb when it comes to the “manager”.

Oh yeah, and do yourself a favor and ignore Anaconda. Torre Defenders have no place in any intelligent conversation.

]]> By: SJ44 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29533 SJ44 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:08:09 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29533 Why would it have been 100 pitches? For example, what if you walk Baldelli (you can't count 4 lob tosses in the pitch count as "pitches", IMO), and let him attack Harris to try and induce the DP? That's probably another 4-5 pitches. That puts him at around 85 pitches. Maybe he gets out of the inning. Maybe not. Its a legitimate question as opposed to an after the fact second guess. Personally, I would have rather had the guy who induced more groundball DP's than anybody in the league last year in there to induce the groundball rather than Vizcaino. But, I can see both sides of the debate. The substitutions in the 7th? Just horrific decisionmaking again by Joe and that I don't understand and never will. But, that game is gone and onto tonight. Here's hoping they score and Andy can pitch a gem. Why would it have been 100 pitches? For example, what if you walk Baldelli (you can’t count 4 lob tosses in the pitch count as “pitches”, IMO), and let him attack Harris to try and induce the DP?

That’s probably another 4-5 pitches. That puts him at around 85 pitches. Maybe he gets out of the inning. Maybe not.

Its a legitimate question as opposed to an after the fact second guess.

Personally, I would have rather had the guy who induced more groundball DP’s than anybody in the league last year in there to induce the groundball rather than Vizcaino.

But, I can see both sides of the debate.

The substitutions in the 7th? Just horrific decisionmaking again by Joe and that I don’t understand and never will.

But, that game is gone and onto tonight. Here’s hoping they score and Andy can pitch a gem.

]]> By: Jake http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29528 Jake Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:00:58 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29528 Its always smart to have a pitcher throw 100 pitches in his first start of the yr. Its always smart to have a pitcher throw 100 pitches in his first start of the yr.

]]> By: Drew http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29467 Drew Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:34:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29467 Wang didn't need a pitch count for a bad hammy. Pete, why didn't you back over Myers with your taxi??? Wang didn’t need a pitch count for a bad hammy.

Pete, why didn’t you back over Myers with your taxi???

]]> By: SJ44 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29465 SJ44 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:31:45 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29465 Comparing other years to this one is fools gold. The team is two years older. Torre is two more years removed from post-season success and, not to be dismissed, he is in the last year of his contract. Unlike 2005, when the Yankees would have owed him over $14 million dollars if they fired him, they only owe him about $5 million if he is fired now. The economics do play a difference. It probably saved his job in 2005. If the team continues to struggle, it won't be an impediment to save his job this year. Different years, different circumstances. Let's hope he finds a way to win on this homestand. Comparing other years to this one is fools gold.

The team is two years older. Torre is two more years removed from post-season success and, not to be dismissed, he is in the last year of his contract.

Unlike 2005, when the Yankees would have owed him over $14 million dollars if they fired him, they only owe him about $5 million if he is fired now.

The economics do play a difference. It probably saved his job in 2005. If the team continues to struggle, it won’t be an impediment to save his job this year.

Different years, different circumstances. Let’s hope he finds a way to win on this homestand.

]]> By: nyyfaninlaaland http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29452 nyyfaninlaaland Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:59:05 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29452 Take yurselves back just a couple of seasons, to the point of Sean Henn's rookie debut with the Yanks as a starter. Massive rotation problems, a 3 game sweep by the D-Rays, and an 11-18 record. Torre get fired then? Not even close. Not gonna happen. Oh, and the Yanks won the division, again. Not to say that's what happens this time, but we're far from done, so step away from the ledge, and be a little less impressed with your opinions which you try to pass off as knowledge. Take yurselves back just a couple of seasons, to the point of Sean Henn’s rookie debut with the Yanks as a starter. Massive rotation problems, a 3 game sweep by the D-Rays, and an 11-18 record. Torre get fired then? Not even close.
Not gonna happen.

Oh, and the Yanks won the division, again. Not to say that’s what happens this time, but we’re far from done, so step away from the ledge, and be a little less impressed with your opinions which you try to pass off as knowledge.

]]> By: SJ44 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29435 SJ44 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:28:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29435 So, I guess the question is, was Wang on a pitch count or not? If he was not, why was he pulled? If he was, why didn't the manager know about it? Anaconda, if you think this situation can't morph into something worse, you haven't watched this team this year. Not saying IT WILL. I am saying, IF it does, no way he survives. All I am saying is, IF this losing streak is 10 by Monday or IF he is swept again by the Red Sox, I don't think he survives it and a new manager will be in place on Tuesday. Just my opinion, that's all. We will just have to agree to disagree on the subject. So, I guess the question is, was Wang on a pitch count or not? If he was not, why was he pulled? If he was, why didn’t the manager know about it?

Anaconda, if you think this situation can’t morph into something worse, you haven’t watched this team this year.

Not saying IT WILL. I am saying, IF it does, no way he survives.

All I am saying is, IF this losing streak is 10 by Monday or IF he is swept again by the Red Sox, I don’t think he survives it and a new manager will be in place on Tuesday. Just my opinion, that’s all.

We will just have to agree to disagree on the subject.

]]> By: eric http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/comment-page-1/#comment-29432 eric Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:22:29 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/25/wang-was-on-a-pitch-count/#comment-29432 I don't want to see Torre fired just yet. But if Piniella had been here this year, he would have dealt with our players getting drilled. I don’t want to see Torre fired just yet. But if Piniella had been here this year, he would have dealt with our players getting drilled.

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