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		<title>By: The Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The encouraging and discouraging thing about Hughes is that he has started slow with every promotion.  At AA last year he  got knocked around for his first 3-4 starts, then blew the league to pieces.  At AAA he got wacked twice before throwing a gem.  This is discouraging because it means he&#039;s not an immediate fit.  It is encouraging because it means he can adjust.  But the question becomes whether he can adjust quickly on the fly in a pressure situation.  If not, he becomes the next Ed Yarnall or Randy Keisler or (even worse) Dewon Brazelton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The encouraging and discouraging thing about Hughes is that he has started slow with every promotion.  At AA last year he  got knocked around for his first 3-4 starts, then blew the league to pieces.  At AAA he got wacked twice before throwing a gem.  This is discouraging because it means he&#8217;s not an immediate fit.  It is encouraging because it means he can adjust.  But the question becomes whether he can adjust quickly on the fly in a pressure situation.  If not, he becomes the next Ed Yarnall or Randy Keisler or (even worse) Dewon Brazelton.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lightning sorry</description>
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		<title>By: Paul9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nobody is doubting his ability, everyone knows he has electric stuff, it is more of if this is the right move. I think they are trying to strike lightening in a bottle again like they did with cano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobody is doubting his ability, everyone knows he has electric stuff, it is more of if this is the right move. I think they are trying to strike lightening in a bottle again like they did with cano.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, I usually agree with you, but you are dead wrong on this one. Hughes always takes a few starts to adjust to a new level(look at last year and AAA this year). The guy would have been in the majors last season on most teams, so I don&#039;t really buy this nonsense that he isn&#039;t ready. Give him a few more starts and then we&#039;ll see how ready he is. I defineatley expect domination out of Hughes after he gets a few starts under his belt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, I usually agree with you, but you are dead wrong on this one. Hughes always takes a few starts to adjust to a new level(look at last year and AAA this year). The guy would have been in the majors last season on most teams, so I don&#8217;t really buy this nonsense that he isn&#8217;t ready. Give him a few more starts and then we&#8217;ll see how ready he is. I defineatley expect domination out of Hughes after he gets a few starts under his belt.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Simonetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW this guy is a joke... lol Pete Abraham you should look over what you write.</description>
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		<title>By: DBA455</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/04/26/hughes-here-for-wrong-reasons/comment-page-4/#comment-31080</link>
		<dc:creator>DBA455</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an intermittent reader of this site, Iâ€™ve refrained from commenting in the past because I just didnâ€™t see the point â€“ even when Abraham was particularly biased in his Rodriguez commentary â€“ but this â€œanalysisâ€? is so reactionary as to be irresponsible, and exactly why thoughtful fans rely less and less on the traditional Fourth Estate.  

As has been well articulated by many above:  How can one argue that Hughes is not one of the 5 best starters in the Yankees system today?  Minor league performance is predictive, irrespective of age.  In fact, thereâ€™s increasing evidence that pitchers peak much earlier than hitters.  If the goal is winning today, having Hughes up is a no-brainer.  If the goal is preserving his arm â€“ once again I think itâ€™s a no-brainer:  where do you think heâ€™ll be getting more careful supervision and quality medical attention â€“ the Bronx or the minors? If a pitcher only has so many innings in their shoulder, you want to get as many of the value-added ones in the majors as possible  (Now if the worry is Torreâ€™s Lasorda-esque pitcher-abuse behavior â€“ well, Iâ€™d agree â€“ but itâ€™s Cashmanâ€™s job to keep that under control).

Discriminating against the guy because of his age is just foolish, and the product of a less objective era.  While he seemed to tire in the 5th, I saw nothing in Hughesâ€™ performance that would indicate he should spend another minute in the minor leagues â€“ and a lot that would indicate he could be the best pitcher on the Yankees in 2008.  At the latest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an intermittent reader of this site, Iâ€™ve refrained from commenting in the past because I just didnâ€™t see the point â€“ even when Abraham was particularly biased in his Rodriguez commentary â€“ but this â€œanalysisâ€? is so reactionary as to be irresponsible, and exactly why thoughtful fans rely less and less on the traditional Fourth Estate.  </p>
<p>As has been well articulated by many above:  How can one argue that Hughes is not one of the 5 best starters in the Yankees system today?  Minor league performance is predictive, irrespective of age.  In fact, thereâ€™s increasing evidence that pitchers peak much earlier than hitters.  If the goal is winning today, having Hughes up is a no-brainer.  If the goal is preserving his arm â€“ once again I think itâ€™s a no-brainer:  where do you think heâ€™ll be getting more careful supervision and quality medical attention â€“ the Bronx or the minors? If a pitcher only has so many innings in their shoulder, you want to get as many of the value-added ones in the majors as possible  (Now if the worry is Torreâ€™s Lasorda-esque pitcher-abuse behavior â€“ well, Iâ€™d agree â€“ but itâ€™s Cashmanâ€™s job to keep that under control).</p>
<p>Discriminating against the guy because of his age is just foolish, and the product of a less objective era.  While he seemed to tire in the 5th, I saw nothing in Hughesâ€™ performance that would indicate he should spend another minute in the minor leagues â€“ and a lot that would indicate he could be the best pitcher on the Yankees in 2008.  At the latest.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes its amazing how differently people can view the same situation...  Both sides of the &#039;is he ready&#039; argument have valid points.

I stand on the side of &#039;he is ready&#039;. Yes, he&#039;s young and they need to be careful with him (pitch counts are a good idea), but clearly he has the stuff to get major league hitters out on a regular basis.  There&#039;s no debating that.  Life can be tough and human beings tend to only learn things &#039;the hard way&#039;, with adversity and some failure.  I don&#039;t see the value of blowing away the competition at Scranton and hanging out with other 20 year olds at the local Chili&#039;s after the game.  What is he really going to learn?  How is he going to somehow be more qualified by June/July?  Since he has the stuff to get hitters out, the mechanics to hopefully keep his arm healthy, and a reportedly stellar mental makeup, I would rather he learn on the job while being surrounded by the likes of Guidry, Mussina, Pettite and Rivera to teach the kid how to be a pro, how to deal with a tough loss, etc.  

He was not lights out, but everyone should have been able to see that his stuff is electric and the potential is huge. He painted a few corners, blew some fastballs by major league hitters, buckled some knees with the curve, and at least to me, did not look rattled.  Certainly there were jitters (understandably so), but he was not intimidated.

Let him pitch. He&#039;ll benefit in the long run, and frankly, we need him on the staff. Not to &#039;save&#039; the team, but to go out and pitch competitively and give the offense a chance.  There&#039;s absolutely no reason to think he&#039;s less capable of that than any other pitcher within the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes its amazing how differently people can view the same situation&#8230;  Both sides of the &#8216;is he ready&#8217; argument have valid points.</p>
<p>I stand on the side of &#8216;he is ready&#8217;. Yes, he&#8217;s young and they need to be careful with him (pitch counts are a good idea), but clearly he has the stuff to get major league hitters out on a regular basis.  There&#8217;s no debating that.  Life can be tough and human beings tend to only learn things &#8216;the hard way&#8217;, with adversity and some failure.  I don&#8217;t see the value of blowing away the competition at Scranton and hanging out with other 20 year olds at the local Chili&#8217;s after the game.  What is he really going to learn?  How is he going to somehow be more qualified by June/July?  Since he has the stuff to get hitters out, the mechanics to hopefully keep his arm healthy, and a reportedly stellar mental makeup, I would rather he learn on the job while being surrounded by the likes of Guidry, Mussina, Pettite and Rivera to teach the kid how to be a pro, how to deal with a tough loss, etc.  </p>
<p>He was not lights out, but everyone should have been able to see that his stuff is electric and the potential is huge. He painted a few corners, blew some fastballs by major league hitters, buckled some knees with the curve, and at least to me, did not look rattled.  Certainly there were jitters (understandably so), but he was not intimidated.</p>
<p>Let him pitch. He&#8217;ll benefit in the long run, and frankly, we need him on the staff. Not to &#8216;save&#8217; the team, but to go out and pitch competitively and give the offense a chance.  There&#8217;s absolutely no reason to think he&#8217;s less capable of that than any other pitcher within the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Don V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodger:

He is not expected to be the savior, he&#039;s expected to be the #4 starter. Remember by the end of next he week will have 3 strong starters pitching ahead of him in Wang, Moose, and Pettitte.

Oh and the 90mph 4-seamer was blown by Adam Lind...its not all about velocity, the two best attributes of a fastball are movement and location. Just ask Kyle Farnsworth.</description>
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<p>He is not expected to be the savior, he&#8217;s expected to be the #4 starter. Remember by the end of next he week will have 3 strong starters pitching ahead of him in Wang, Moose, and Pettitte.</p>
<p>Oh and the 90mph 4-seamer was blown by Adam Lind&#8230;its not all about velocity, the two best attributes of a fastball are movement and location. Just ask Kyle Farnsworth.</p>
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		<title>By: rodger</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its the wrong move. They have coddled this kid his entire career, and now we expect him to be savior. This wasn&#039;t the Yankees original plan so some baseball minds must have known he wasn&#039;t going to be ready yet. He hasn&#039;t thrown over 90 pitches in any game this year, so again he will be on a count every time out. Last night his velocity started out at 93-94 and in the 4th he was throwing 90. Your not going to get away with 90 mph fastball to big league hitters so he better paint. He has never thrown the amount of innings he could potentially throw this year. So we get to September and his arm is tired, or sore. Yeah he isn&#039;t going to get any better training than on the job training, so then we chalk this year up to rebuilding right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its the wrong move. They have coddled this kid his entire career, and now we expect him to be savior. This wasn&#8217;t the Yankees original plan so some baseball minds must have known he wasn&#8217;t going to be ready yet. He hasn&#8217;t thrown over 90 pitches in any game this year, so again he will be on a count every time out. Last night his velocity started out at 93-94 and in the 4th he was throwing 90. Your not going to get away with 90 mph fastball to big league hitters so he better paint. He has never thrown the amount of innings he could potentially throw this year. So we get to September and his arm is tired, or sore. Yeah he isn&#8217;t going to get any better training than on the job training, so then we chalk this year up to rebuilding right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hughes line wasn&#039;t great. It also included a baserunner allowed on by an umpire&#039;s terrible call, and an inherited baserunner allowed by Bruney, after Posada threw it into center field when Cano didn&#039;t cover the bag. By all rights, he could have gone five, surrender 5 hits and 2 runs. 

What I saw from Hughes last night made me almost wet my pants. Tremendous fastball movement. The best curveball I think I&#039;ve ever seen any Yankee throw, a 12-6 hammer at 70 mph. In the minors, he didn&#039;t just have good control and oommand, he had elite control and command. Ridiculous K/BB numbers, and a microscopic home run rate. He has nothing left to learn from the AAAA hitters and old prospects languishing in AAA. He had his jitters, but I expect more against a struggling Rangers team next time. I&#039;ll be benching Texeira, that&#039;s for sure. He&#039;s the future, and by the end of the year, he might well be the best pitcher on the staff. And he&#039;s 20 years old. Think about that, Pete. He&#039;s built like a horse, there&#039;s nothing wrong with him. No &quot;buts&quot; with Hughes. 6-5, 220, two plus, sometimes plus plus pitches, a developing change, elite command, great makeup. That is the formula for an ace in the major leagues. 

Would you rather be throwing Igawa or Karstens out there? Or we could just try the Rasner thing again, it&#039;s not like he was getting lit up out there. Torre just does&#039;t like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hughes line wasn&#8217;t great. It also included a baserunner allowed on by an umpire&#8217;s terrible call, and an inherited baserunner allowed by Bruney, after Posada threw it into center field when Cano didn&#8217;t cover the bag. By all rights, he could have gone five, surrender 5 hits and 2 runs. </p>
<p>What I saw from Hughes last night made me almost wet my pants. Tremendous fastball movement. The best curveball I think I&#8217;ve ever seen any Yankee throw, a 12-6 hammer at 70 mph. In the minors, he didn&#8217;t just have good control and oommand, he had elite control and command. Ridiculous K/BB numbers, and a microscopic home run rate. He has nothing left to learn from the AAAA hitters and old prospects languishing in AAA. He had his jitters, but I expect more against a struggling Rangers team next time. I&#8217;ll be benching Texeira, that&#8217;s for sure. He&#8217;s the future, and by the end of the year, he might well be the best pitcher on the staff. And he&#8217;s 20 years old. Think about that, Pete. He&#8217;s built like a horse, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with him. No &#8220;buts&#8221; with Hughes. 6-5, 220, two plus, sometimes plus plus pitches, a developing change, elite command, great makeup. That is the formula for an ace in the major leagues. </p>
<p>Would you rather be throwing Igawa or Karstens out there? Or we could just try the Rasner thing again, it&#8217;s not like he was getting lit up out there. Torre just does&#8217;t like him.</p>
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