Joe Torre postgame audio
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Brian Cashman loves to say that the Yankees play 162 one-game seasons. Today was a prime example of that.
“0-7 feels like 0-14 in New York,” he said in the clubhouse as we were waiting to talk to Jeff Karstens. “But you have to get through it.”
So, Cash, what were you thinking when you saw Karstens go down?
“You can’t print was going through my head and coming out of my mouth at the time that happened,” he said.
A few words on Karstens before we get to the audio. The guy had a broken bone in his leg and threw five pitches to Kevin Youkilis. Then he goes to the hospital to get X-rayed and put in an air cast, comes back to the Stadium and goes to the bench to watch the rest of the game.
Then he limps out of the trainer’s room to talk to the media and was cracking jokes.
I’ve added Jeff Karstens to the list of guys I’m rooting for. You should, too.
Here is Joe Torre’s postgame:
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he’s the bizarro pavano!
i’m in. karstens is on the list.
What jokes was he cracking?
I’m with you, Pete.
Karstens is alright. Let’s hope he can return and contribute.
My 9-year-old just heard me talking about Karstens and asked, “Is he a good guy?” I told her, “Yep, he’s one of the good ones.”
Keep up the great work, Pete. I enjoy reading your stuff in the J-N, but your blog is really outstanding.
That just makes me have even less respect for Carla. Kudos to Karstens. He’s a tough kid.
Pete,
It looks like I’ll be in NYC for a conference from the 14th to the 17th (leaving very early in the A.M. on the 18th).
I intend to buy the Lohud J-N if only to be able to see how your regular column looks.
So if your editors see a small bounce in the circulation figures during those days (:-)), well, it’s your doing, pal.
I’m waiting for the ledge jumpers to talk today. Or do they only talk after losses?
Please don’t EVER compare Karstens to Pavano. That is such an insult to Karstens or anyone with any courage for that matter.
Hey fellas, just got my first chance to get on the computer after going to the game today. Not to pat myself on the back, but I called the win today. Also I said yesterday that the a big problem is not trusing Giambi at first, finally they did. He’s fine for the first 8 innings. I also said Igawa will be good over time, no I didn’t think he would kick ass like he did today, I also said Igawa would be back in the rotation next Saturday and I guess a broken fibula assures that. Joe managed the game perfect today. I am not going to go back over the comments today, please fill me in on the highlights, I wonder what SJ44 had to say, wonder how feels constantly being wrong, I’ll read through for his posts. Congrats Yankee fans, what a classic today, beuatiful weather too, all around great day.
Hey Jeff,
Were you groaning when Farnsworth came in? I’d say that was the only question mark as far as Torre’s management is concerned. He scares me in a close game.
Farnsworth that is, not necessarily Torre.
“He was all right. Nothing special,” Ortiz said. “He was throwing a lot of hittable pitches, but we were just not hitting it.”
that’s ortiz on igawa. it may well be true, but that’s the kind of thing that you probably won’t see yankee players saying about an opposing pitcher after the game. that kind of thing just bugs me.
jeff nj, i’m glad you’re excited about the game, but the yankees winning one of their last eight hardly makes sj44 “constantly wrong.” that kind of senseless bickering and jabbing at one another (and lord knows i’ve been guilty of it, too) makes this blog a less enjoyable place for everyone to visit. in the end, we all want the yankees to do well. i’m trying to learn from my mistakes and not instigate so much here, i hope other people follow suit. this season has been enough of a drag so far that we don’t really need to needle each other over it, don’t you think?
“He was throwing a lot of hittable pitches, but we were just not hitting it.”
Hmmm, sounds a little pathetic coming from Big Sloppy, doesn’t it?
I was watching the game from an undisclosed location, far away from the Fortress of Solitude and without a wi fi enabled laptop. The people where I was dining thought I had tourettes syndrome when Karstens went down. (But the GF was keeping up with me, employing the most colorful Spanglish epithets).
Before i knew it, Igawa came running in, unbenownst to me wearing his Power Rangers uniform under his pinstripes. The rest is too sublime to sully with a clumsy restatement here. Suffice to say this is why I love baseball. God bless you, Mr. Igawa. We hardly knew you had it in ye.
Sleep tight fellow bloggies. Tomorrow we draw and quarter them and ship their pieces back to Boston, bloody socks and all. Figuratively, of course.
Ok fine, he’s not constantly wrong, but he is about Igawa. He was so convinced he was terrible, I tried to talk him down but was unsuccessful. As for Farnsworth, I don’t have a big problem with him. Yeah he’s had some bad outtings but who besides Henn in our bullpen hasn’t? Trust me I was happier to see him then Vizcaino or Myers thats for sure. I was praying in the stands with both him and Mo but thank goodness it worked out, it was stressful, but no I was not upset to see him.
One other thing, Peter maybe you can confirm. When the Boston players got ready for the game they were getting ready for a pedestrian righty they faced last week. Not sure if players regularly study film or what, but Igawa is pretty much the opposite or Karstens, an off speed lefty they have never seen before. I thought they should have started Igawa because of the unseen factor but (with apologies to Karstens) it worked out better this way if my preparation theory is correct.
Karstens was joking that he will be back before Pavano
Kasey — you’re right, I hope our team members would never say something like that. It’s disrespectful. Then again, Ortiz says a lot of things I’d never want to hear coming out of the mouth of a Yankee, like for example, that he has trouble telling Japanese players apart because they all look alike.
I Karstens had more guys pitching with a broken leg then Schilling had with the bloody sock incident. I’m sure we wont hear Karstens gloating about it either.
That is probably true about Karstens being back before Pavano. Or as another person said: Carla.
I like that.
Big win today. Torre and Guidry are off the hook (for now). Igawa is not a $45 million bust. Mo is on track. Minky is benched. They win a game!
Get well soon Jeff Karstens.
SP: calling him “Carla” is offensive to women. Imagine Pavano trying to survive, say, the pain of childbirth? Hahaha
The kids got heart! I hope he gets himself healthy and can make it in the big leagues. Paging Carl, take note!
Karstens is definitely on my list.
I was there today too and it was just plain ugly.
Igawa rocked and I am so happy Mo got the save!
My thoughts exactly, Summer.
I’m wondering if Pete lined up Mientkiewicz for his exclusive blog-only interview. That would be something.
courage.
courage.
you have it. or you don’t .
karstens does…
pavano is coward. i don’t care what the hell he is nursing. this MAN today, tried to fight through a broken GD leg.
i don’t care if you’re a yankee or sox fan. that is big and, despite obvious concerns for his own health (he must of known he was in bad shape) karstens was trying to literally ‘take one’ for the team.
he has my vote for the season. we talk about players ‘leaving it out there’ – what else does it take??! the man knew what shape the bullpen was in and tried to suck it up. ON A BROKEN LEG. and props to igawa. he knew what was on the line as well…
Players never admit the pitcher was good unless it’s Pedro or Santana or somebody like that.
We asked Karstens how he felt and he said “It’s like Andy Pettitte told me, I got snipered out there. I guess that’s hwo it felt.”
Then he said how he wanted to pitch through the pain. “But I had a cracked bone, I guess that wasn’t a good idea.”
In general, a nice kid who is dying for his chance in the majors. Not the greatest talent but when the Yankees wanted him stronger, for instance, he spent the winter in LA with a trainer and added 15 pounds.
Hopefully he comes back soon and gets a chance to pitch. The Yankees owe him that.
SUMMER:
I apologize!! You are totally right, Pavano can’t take landing on his tailbone, there’s no WAY he could survive birth!
GOOD POINT!
There’s a difference between not admitting someone was good and saying someone wasn’t good.
No disrespect to Karstens, but he is a minor leaguer battling for a big league job and big league money. It’s a lot easier to tolerate the pain of an injury when your big paycheck is still dangling in front of you. Pavano, on the other hand, already has his big paycheck.
Did you see what Ortiz said about Igawa?
“He was all right. Nothing special. He was throwing a lot of hittable pitches, but we were just not hitting it.”
Mmmm. So they were unhittable….??
joe:
are you kidding with that statement?? that’s bold man. when was the last time you went to work on a broken or fractured leg?? ummm, probably never i’m guessing. let alone a cold. damn. tough crowd for sure.
don’t be so GD jaded. karstens had heart today. a lot more than most of the people who post here, who think they could manage this staff or who seem to have ‘the answers.’
some of these comments are just pathetic. i mean christ – HE HAD BROKEN LEG!!!
The kid has heart. I just wish he had more ability.
it’s never good enough in ny. said by a native ny’er and life long fan.
we’re spoiled. you’re spoiled. sickly spoiled. ask your friends what it’s like to root for the pirates or royals. don’t bring up markets or budgets either.
point is: APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE. a man, a kid, “a minor leaguer battling for a big league job and big league money” – that still is as arrogant as it gets -and enjoy that these guys, your team is still playing hard. AND that we have an owner who spends a ton. period.
second guess cashmans moves all you want. 15 years old fans have. it’s easy to second guess. i mean, it takes so much vision to second guess, you probably know next week’s lottery numbers too, right??
the kid has heart. pitched when YOU KNOW everyone else would have begged out. he didn’t. he fought. he tried. and STILL it was torre who yanked him. do you have a probem with that as well??
so, why not be happy with that? that he had guts and desire to step up. more than what you can say about a lot of pro talent.
the expectations for supreme perfection here is embarrasing.
I prefer to be a realist, thanks.
Karstens just isn’t very good.
Wow. Gotta love KArstens. We needed this win bad. Hopefuly it starts a winning streak… Good night folks!
Peter,
Your insight into the clubhouse is what I love about this blog. I will be rooting for Jeff K. and if you have a chance ask Joe about KT. He is better than Melky. It’s a small problem considering the Yankees rotation right now but it’s a easy fix.
Hats off to Igawa today. I was ready to write him off into the sunk cost column with Pavano.
I’ve said it plenty of times but I must say it again this is the best Yankees blog out there.
You guys can try to make these players into mythic superheroes if you want, but 99% of all MLB players would have played with a broken fibula if their career was in the same place as Jeff Karstens’.
He may never get a chance to pitch in a game like this again. Never get a chance to leave a mark and earn a place on the Yankees. He could find himself back in Scranton when the leg heals. I feel really bad for him, but he’s human, and the first thing on his mind when that ball broke his leg was the setback to his career, not the Yankees losing streak.
If some pain was all that stood between you and a MLB career, you’d pitch too. I feel bad for Karstens and I hope he gets another shot. He’s a good guy, but let’s be realistic.
I agree, and there’s the adrenaline rush as well.
Only problem is that if Karstens spends most of the year on the DL, then Pavano will just have to spend the ENTIRE year on the DL… for the Rajah will NOT be outdone!
HEADLINE OF THE DAY:
Swindal Believes Torre Is Safe
BY CHRISTIAN RED
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, April 29th 2007, 4:00 AM
(Steve Swindal talks about Job Security with the Yankees. Next up: “Dating as a Widower,” with OJ Simpson and “How I Keep My Marriage Interesting” with Bill Clinton).
Joe:
I have to agree with many of your comments regarding Karstens and most the vast majority of other big leaguers playing through pain. Most of these guys are super tough and have to endure tremendous pain to even get there. That’s why they’re pro athletes.
I think someone like Pavano is an anomaly.
- KMT
Joe,
I could not disagree with you more…could Karstens have pitched through the pain probably, but if you would have actually listened to Torre’s post-game audio they said that the was not pitching with his legs he was pitching with his arm, which means that if he continued that he would not only have a broken leg right now, but probably shoulder and arm problems as well.
I cannot believe all of you saying that he should have pitched through the pain. There is a difference between good pain and bad pain. It is not like the kid was taken out in a stretcher he tried to pitch and probably would have stayed out there and pitched if Torre did not take him out because he was pitching with his arm. Yes there is adrenaline but that only masks what is wrong, a broken bone is a broken bone, he will get another shot, but give the kid a break.
I hope Pavano watched what Karstens did yesterday.
Frank:
I think you may be misreading people’s comments. Nobody is saying Karstens should have pitched. They’re applauding him for his courage at wanting to pitch through it as opposed to Pavano who only wants to pitch without any pain.
- KMT
KMT,
Maybe I did misread, I apologize if I did..i am in finals time right now in law school and have not slept for a few days…I apologize to people if I did
frank-
wow, karstens showed some guts, but you keep on blogging with sleep deprivation and the pressure of law school finals hanging over you.
i know i’m impressed, but you need someone like torre to take you out of the game(blog)so you can pass that final. i think peter is going to have to pull the plug on your access to this blog.
good day yesterday for the yankees on a gutcheck day. karstens earned his stripes. posada showed his leadership, and igawa earned the respect of teammates and yankee fans alike. i was never down on igawa because his stats in japan over 7 years were too close to matsuzakas. there is less difference in their results than most people would think even though they look vastly different. igawa clearly outpitched matsuzaka in this series. i think it’ll happen more often than most people think too. i also think the key to igawa is giving him lots of work. in japan, he often went over 130 pitches a game last year, as high as 151 pitches. form this point on his command should be getting better and better. he came into ST without having thrown a pitch and wasn’t allowed to throw as much as he wanted. boston is having the same dilemma with matsuzaka on how much to let him throw. igawa seems to have a rubber arm. i hope they let him stretch it out even more. and even if he had a 5.00 era, if he threw 200-220 innings, he’d be extremely valauable on this team because they need someone beside wang to suck up innings.
Summer:
“There’s a difference between not admitting someone was good and saying someone wasn’t good”
Can’t expect Peters criticism of his favorite team to go beyond taking easy pot shots at the Drunken fans at Fenway
I was at the Stadium for the Game and it was a fabulous day: the weather cooperated, the Fans were entertaining (as usual) and I found a free parking spot on the street AND had all 4 wheels on my Envoy when I got back!
It was a huge win for the Yankees, because:
1. The focus is likely be off Torre for a few days now that he’s got at least 1 win in this Rivalry.
2. Yankees broke their 7 game losing streak so that ESPN doesn’t have the losing streak as its theme to open Sports Center.
3. Igawa finally got the majority of his pitches over – and most importantly – down in the strike zone. Ortiz may be right: many of the pitches WERE hittable. However, that is likely Igawa’s future as a No. 4 or No. 5 – He’s not overpowering, but kept hitters off-balance with his 88-90 mph fastball, 77-79 mph change and 83 mph breaking ball.
4. Most importantly, Mo looked much, much better than his last 3 outings. Same good velocity, BUT his ball had the old movement – even Varitek’s hit was a broken bat blooper.
Still a long way to go, however, and these are some concerns:
As a No. 3 hitter, Abreu looks lost at the plate.
Damon’s back is obviously bothering him to the point that he might go on the DL. It really affected his swing yesterday.
The bullpen still didn’t get much rest.
Once again, too many runners stranded that were in scoring position.