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Brian Cashman said last week that Phil Hughes was around only as long as Mike Mussina was on the DL. That got changed today. The kid is here to stay as long as he pitches well.
Based on what’s going on tonight, that will be 10 years or so.
Cashman said that Hughes will develop in the big leagues by learning from the veterans. Joe Torre and Ron Guidry have been informed of his limitations in terms of innings and will adhere to them.
Hopefully, for the sake of the kid, it all works out well. But history tells us the Yankees are taking a chance if Hughes goes over 180 innings this season. What has happened to Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Francisco Liriano and Felix Hernandez isn’t coincidence.
Take tonight, for instance. Do you leave him in for nine if this continues and let him throw 120 pitches? Or do you pull him after seven in favor of keeping him out of Dr. Andrews’ waiting room?
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Pull him at 90 pitches. I don’t care if he’s throwing a no hitter.
if he wasn’t here to stay they should have never brought him up, especially if he continues what he is doing tonight. should have stuck with the original plan. How do you send him back down now?
Its a shame Hughes is at risk because Torre can not manage a bullpen. Torre will be laughing to the bank on this one.
There will be plenty of time for no-hitters in his career. Take him out if needed. Harden, Prior, Wood, etc. scare the hell out of me
i vote keep him in. especially if he has the NONO going. The bullpen NEEDS the rest. No reason to take him out… limit his next starts.
also, looks like pimplebutt blew a save
I think you can’t let him get past 100 pitches unless he’s made it to the 9th. It’s not worth the risk in a blow out.
The season and his career is more important than one game. You pull him at 100 as long as he doesn’t start to struggle.
I agree Ethan. if he is in the 9th and at 95 than you let him go on. it all depends on the situation. but in now way do you let him pitch until 120 pitches.
anyone got a pitch count on him so far?
This is a 9-0 game. A blowout, didn’t we see Friday Night Lights? Not the same I know, but you don’t risk injury in a game you’ve already won.
Pete, 10 years? Let’s hope Hughes has a career past 30.
“The what-ifs would kill me if I were pulled from a you-know-what. I understand the risk, but this is really a once-in-a-lifetime achievement for most guys. You’ve gotta let the kid try!”
This is his second major league start. 6 no hit innings is an accomplishment enough for now, especially if the bullpen finishes the job.
Who should Torre bring in?
kasey, 75 and counting
The what-ifs would kill me if I were pulled from a you-know-what. I understand the risk, but this is really a once-in-a-lifetime achievement for most guys. You’ve gotta let the kid try!
Besides, that way, the bull pen can’t screw it up!
What if they pull him at 77?
i’m with dint. if he has a quick 7th, MAYBE send him back out for the 8th, but otherwise, he should be done after 7. considering the yankees luck with injury so far this year, i don’t see any reason to roll the dice.
77 through 6… a starter in the 7th inning? Am i taking crazy pills?
How do/can/will you pull a NO-HITTER pitcher??
This is a history in the making!!
This is a tough one. If it’s close to his pitch count (110 or so), I leave him in. If it’s looking like more, I hope for a Texas base hit to make it easier to take him out.
The response on this blog will be classic if Hughes gets pulled after 8 with a no-no and they put in Jell-O arm Proctor.
Hughes gets pulled. Torre pulled Cone in his first game back from the aneurysm in Oak. He had a perfect game through 7 if I remember correctly.
This kid will have plenty of opportunities to do special things over the next few decades. Tonight, he throws 90 pitches.
There’s a difference between an easy 100 pitches in a blowout like tonight and a tough 100 pitches in a tough game. He’s just playing catch with Jorge right now. I say let him ride the wave.
around 100 should be his limit.
If he’s over 100 before the 9th inning I’d take him out.
If he’s under 100 I’d let him start the inning.
First: You don’t pull out a pitcher during a no-no.
Second: Hughes is out there trying to prove himself. I think you’ve got to give the kid the chance. He certainly won’t hit 120 pitches at this rate.
haha what do those pitchers have in common?
wood, liriano, and hernandez have UGLY painful mechanics. that being said, hernandez may still be okay.
Prior had beautiful mechanics but he was ridden hard and threw over 120 pitches regularly during his early years with the Cubs. blame dusty for that. (Wood falls under this umbrella as well)
As usual, Nick B. likes to be judgmental over the inferior bloggers, while setting up straw man reasoning to knock down — it’s either pull Hughes and bring in Proctor, or keep Hughes in and risk injury.
His pitch count is low 77 thru 6
Pull him after seven. It’s the kid’s second major league start and there’s potential for injury to a young arm. This game’s in the bag, let’s not ruin it.
You can’t pull him, if he continues like this he’s at 100 pitches somewhere in the end of the 8th.
You can’t pull a pitcher 10-15 pitches from a no-no.
Whatever anyone says about Hughes after this start there not going to send him down. This is the best start we’ve seen all season and the way the yankees are right now thats not a luxury we can afford to have in reserve. We’d all love to be able to say we’ve got enough to leave him develop in AAA but reality is he wouldn’t be here if we didn’t.
Actually that game in oakland, cone was pitching in the 9th i think and allan battle beat out an infield single and then he was pulled. But maybe it was somebody else who blew it in the 9th. 77 pitches, that is definitely 7, if not 8. 9 and he could be near 120, you have a better chance bringing Bruney or Mo in to finish the job. Those are the two guys I trust for a 1-2-3 inning right now.
PULL HIM!
This kid will flirt with many other no-hitters throughout the rest of his career. Rest his arm and do NOT overwork him…
jennifer — they did take papelbon out and put donnelly in… who promptly gave up a lead off double to piazza. it’d be great to pick up a game on the sox today…
Sorry, dint, but check your history. he cam out after 7. No hitter. 85 pitches.
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=1996
Take a look.
We just talked about how baseball is a marathon. Some of you are even willing to entertain risking what could be a difference maker because of ONE start? I’d rather see Hughes win 15 games and be the difference between october baseball and October misery, than see the chance of something special tonight. A chance I still feel would be better in the 9th with a reliever.
oakland just took a 5-4 lead with back-to-back doubles off of donnelly. i’ve got the yanks, sox, m’s and nba playoffs going. it’s a good night.
steve,
i was getting at the point of people wanting proctor to get some rest and not throw every single day so I thought it would be ironic if they pulled out hughes to save his arm but brought in Proctor whose arm is about shot.
Well, i said I could be wrong, did Alan battle beat out an infield single with 1 out in the 9th to break it up? Then I’ll feel better. Bernie also robbed Geronimo Berroa of a homerun that game too. Come on, if I’m right that still has to be some props.
I hear what people are saying about not over-working Huges, but do you really think 15 extra pitches tonight is going to make one ounce of difference?? He’s not going to do this every night…. (though we might like to think so)
Dint– give me a break! As if you’re going to cost us the World Series if Hughes pitches an extra inning. Relax people, and enjoy what’s happening!
I’m not a Dice-K fan, though I do respect him as an athlete, but that guy threw 250 pitches in one game and 40 the next and another 120 the game after that.
Why are our pitchers so fragile? The Japanese throw as much as they possibly can and I doubt they’re injured as much as our guys are.
that said, pull him at 100.
It’s easy to pull Hughes now but whatever happens he deserves his shot. If he gives up the hit yank him and let him take the plaudites. But no reason to over protect him. He can’t throw 90 pitches for the rest of his career.
I say pull him out after 7 innings or 100 pitches. He has proven that he has big league stuff and brightens the Yankee future and his is legit, but they can’t wear his arm out yet.
At least its not his arm.
Fire the goddamn guy in charge of training already. How many hamstring injuries is this?
There is no way you leave him in past his alloted number of pitches even if he has the no-no going. This game is over, get someone in who hasn’t had some work in a while if the Yanks are going to get back into the race, they will need Hughes. Its about the team, not personal accomplishments. He is going to be the guy in NY for a long time. No need to risk him at all right now in a meaningless laugher game.
Oh give me a break, let the kid go for the no-no. You’re going to win the game, and that’s all you care about anyway, this is his 2nd major league start, I remind you, I’m sure he wants nothing more than to see if he can go the distance. I don’t want to get too “in my day…” but seriously let the kid play the game he loves and pitch a no hitter in yankee stadium, who among us could live with having that chance and then not being able to see it thru?
C’mon its one start, he CAN thrown 120 pitches and be fine as long as he doesn’t do it every game or on a regular basis like Prior did. He’s not a china doll, let him make some history and he’ll be fine.
Thats why I didn’t want him brought up b/c of temptations like this when he succeeds but you gotta let him go for history if its only 1 more inning. Hopefully he gets out of this one in 10-12 pitches and we go from there.
So after THE BOSS SPEAK, Yankees is in a no-hitter situation and blowing out the opponent…
and there it is. here comes guidry and the trainer.
Torre said that he will throw about 100 pitches, You take him out no-no or not at the century mark.
Oh look, Guidry to the mound, hamstring problem. What was everybody saying? Give me a break, it is amazing how some of you simply don’t get it.
Oh my god. An injury???? Are you kidding me!
Well, I guess this eliminates any pitch-count based decisions. Did someone forget to pay Satan this year?
Those guys are fired if Hughes is injured. No doubt about it. Another hamstring? Absolutely ridiculous.
i hate whiny fans and excuses, but COME ON. can they catch ONE break this year? please?
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this is just not fair what the hell
oh ****
Oh yeah Dint– I’m sure you would have prevented that by pulling him at 80 pitches during a no-no… Gimme a break dude.
Ugh.
Phil just got pulled from the game. Looks like he grabbed his hamstring. No hitter too, but wow the luck continues.
This team is cursed.
He’s not going anywhere after today! No hitter through 6. OH SHHHHHHH…he just hurt himself in the 7th. Damn. Be okay kid. Thats crazy. 83 pitches and he comes out of a no hit game with a hurt hammy. My God we have no luck. I bet the media will blame Torre for this too.
Torre must go. He will kill any arm to save his pathetic job. Did they really need a no hitter with a 9 run lead? Of course not. But it would have taken the heat off of Torre. Disgraceful.
im shivering, this is terrible
P-Huge will be fine. Book it!
Well… he won’t kill his arm tonight with the no-no…
Dint,
What is there to get, he only got to 85 pitches. Its bad luck, there is nothing you can do about it. You can’t keep the kid at 70 pitches for the rest of his life no matter how much you want to protect him. 85 pitches was fine, he can go 7 as he does in the minors, but there is nothing to get, it happened before the danger zone anyways
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
This is depressing
OMG. PHIL
hopefully it isn’t anything serious. You could see him cursing in the dugout.
Un-bleeping-believable
You have to be kidding me.
Oh for crying out loud.
Well at least it wasn’t his arm. Hamstrings are common nowadays.. It didn’t look that serious.
Pete, did you have a premonition or something? That was eerie.
Relax, folks. He looked fine walking off – right move to get him out of there and not let him test it.
So what’s the over/under on those two new trainer guys getting fired?
I say Thursday.
what just happend to phil? is it bad?
agreed Nick, this had nothing to do with pitch counts…just a shame that’s all, it happens.
This new conditioning guy better be on a plane far away from Texas after tonight.
yeah this team is cursed
Who’s the new workout trainer that everyone’s complaining about?
You seem a little happy Dint.
I’m blaming Kenny Singleton for saying Michael Young(.209) is the rangers hottest hitter right now. DAMN YOU KENNY!!!!
..fire..the..strength..and..conditioning..people..
I think i’m going to be SICK!
what’d giambi say after karstens got hurt? what’s he saying now?
…this is almost comical in its absurdity.
Come on.
Pete if it’s a hamstring again, the prep team has to go!!!
it kind of looked like he hyperextened his knee
So what are the chances of a combined no-no with our bullpen?
marty miller is his name.
what kind of luck? and hamstring AGAIN? thats like the 5th one!
this is horrible
Im digging a hole and crawling in it until this season is over. IM DONE. UNREAL.
Ok, this is ridiculous. Forget firing Torre. Our health trainers suck balls. FIRE THEM!
Maybe he just hyper extended his knee. maybe it isn’t bad.
Some years, its just not your year.
Forget him for six+ weeks. Maybe longer.
Now 7 of their top 8 starters on the DL with hamstrings.
What a mess.
They finally find a starting pitcher and he lasts 6 1/3 innings this season.
Oh well, at least they will have a high draft pick next year.
Yeah, let’s hope that was just a tweak, it doesn’t look bad. Of course they’re not going to have him try to pitch through it. Still stinks though…
Fire those new trainers.
Its not the strength coaches fault guys, its the 7th inning, they aren’t responsible for stretching guys out EVERY inning, he is a grown man, he knows when he is loose. Its bad luck, injuries happen and this team might be cursed, who knows but its not the strength coaches fault when someone gets hurt in the 7th inning.
What can you say?
PETE FILL US IN!!!!
i’m going to go out on a limb and say maybe it might be a good idea to take a look at the hamstring stretching routine the yankees are using.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Words fail me.
I’ve been opposed to all the calls for firing someone, but when all but one of your starting pitchers get hurt in the first month, something is definitely wrong. I find it pretty hard to believe this many guys get hurt coincidentally.
And seriously, Hughes?! Pitching a no-hitter?! COME ON!
WHy us?
This is like a bad nightmare
The first time is happenstance. The second time, coincidence. The third time, enemy action.
This is more than three bad hammys.
He’s hurt it all goes up in smoke!
this is absolutely ridiculous. even the GOOD games don’t go the yankees way this year.
It’s the principal of the matter. You don’t risk additional chances for something, even a freak accident like that to happen.
Me happy? I host a yankees blog and repremanded Kasey for bashing the Yankees too quickly? Do I seem like a pessimist to you?
I was worried about the jinx for the no-no, not a jinx for the injury! Argh.
just great, atleast it’s his hamstring and not his elbow
If anything, this probably has less to do with the trainers as it does with the absurd amount of time he spent sitting while the yankees scored 892092 runs.
Hopefully it is not as bad as it seems. Maybe just a twinge and they erred on the side of caution
really hope this kid is ok.. what a performance. He wasn’t slowing down.
I think the losers here who were discussing pitch counts and the no hitter DURING A FREAKING NO HITTER jinxed him
Dont you have any baseball etiquette?
never. seen. anything. like. this.
3 pitchers going down with hamstring injuries by May 1.
hopefully this won’t be a serious one, but with the yanks’ track record on these…
Not only should the strength and conditioning people be fired, they should be killed execution style.
im kidding of course, but my god. how many hamstrings need to be pulled before cashman and steinbrenner get a freaking clue?
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE PLLLEASEEE
WHAT…THE…HELL??!!!
Looking at it from another angle, wouldn’t it be a confidence boost to the shaky bullpen if they can finish this? Provided Hughes doesn’t miss starts, maybe this can be a blessing in disguise.
Preliminary reports are indicating that massive amounts of F-Bombs are being heard through out New York City and Brian Cahsmans box at Arlington.
Well at least Mariano will get some work in tonight
I think for the rest of the season, everyone should line up and just do what A-Rod does as far as stretching and the like.
Is there a black cloud over this team? Maybe this is a blessing in disguise.
WTF is going on. I cannot believe this, I feel horrible for Hughes.
If anyone has to go, its clearly the conditioning people. I mean, really, I know I’m currently ranting but still.
Who’s training the pitching staff? Did they all take up Carl Pavano’s new regiment? Jesus christ…
i just broke my apartment in half
Hopefully they will get some good luck in August!
I wish he had given up a hit in the sixth and then they would have taken him out then – this is just unbelievable ————————
Question…..Myers just got out of the 7th no no intact.Who gets the 8th after he faces Blalock and will Joe go to Mo up 9-0 if it gets there?
Guys, please think about the kid. He might not ever get this close to a no-no. It must be terrible.
they definitely erred on the side of caution. Let’s hope they didn’t even ask him what was wrong because they didn’t discuss much before they pulled him.
Dint,
What do you want to do put him in a bubble? It was the 7th inning man and he threw 85 pitches?? What are you talking about?? Yeah the game was out of hand but its not like this was way out of left field to put a pitcher in for the 7th. If Torre pulled him after 6 you guys would have been going crazy that he was the biggest idiot in the world. You can’t have your cake and eat it to buddy. 85 pitches??? What are you talking about???
Guess Rasner is comming back
I think it was the knee. If you watch the replay, you can see it straighten and bend back just a snap.
Probably nothing….
Wait, that’s a hammy. Damn….damn damn damn.
At least Meyers got through it.
Nick B is the voice of reason here
If a guy is in the 7th inning of work, this isn’t an issue for the strength and conditioning coach. He’s more than ‘warmed up’
Let’s not all jump off buildings. It might be a tweak and not a pull
And please ignore SJ44…
FIRE THE STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING COACH NOW..HE IS HORRIBLE
How much bad lick can this team have? Starting pitching blows up, Bull pen blows it. Finally a good start from the the future guy and he gets hurt. Arrgh it sucks so much. I can’t root for any one but the yanks! It’s in my blood. I grew up with the team terrible it might be nice to root for the underdog again even though it’s 9-0 its terrible go yanks!
Lip reading on YES network indicates the hamstring “popped.”
SOX lose….
Eric: he wouldn’t have been out anyway with that pitch count if he gave up a hit.
I don’t believe in jinxes.
I do believe when every freaking starting pitcher seems to have leg injuries, you examine what the hell is going on.
What a damn shame for Hughes. Now, they have to find another starter because he is done for awhile.
No way they risk this kid.
Calling Matt DeSalvo. Its time for your shot at the big leagues.
They may be better off just going to 14 pitchers, since their bench sucks anyway, and just pitch 9 guys 1 inning a night.
It may be the only way they can get thru a game without injuries to the pitching staff.
ESPN just said what “appreared to be a hyper-extended knee, but no word yet”
so the question is, which is worse, hyper-extended knee or hamstring? knee sounds worse but i’ve never dealt with either injury..
And there was no sign Hughes was hurt before that pitch – please be reasonable, folks
These new trainers need to be SHOWN THE DOOR.
I don’t think you’re getting it Nick. This happened at 85 pitches, yes. Nowhere did I say this could be avoided tonight by a pitch count. But People here wanted 20-30 more pitches out of Hughes for the sake of a historic outing, that only plays with additional fire. So no, no bubble, but they have a regimen in place, have had it for two years, and there is no reason, under any circumstances to stray from it.
oh! My god!
please fire the conditioning coach!
how many more is enough?
Well, maybe it’s only a tweak and this way Hughes doesn’t burn through his 185 innings too quickly.
If this kid popped his hamstring, that’s beyond tragic.
Forget the no hitter. That’s immaterial.
Man, I hope its just a tweak.
But, with the way this season has been going, its probably more than just a tweak.
I need an official word, dammit. I can’t take speculation!
SJ44 is a Red Sox fan.
Ignore him
This is crazy…
Its a damn shame about Hughes, getting hurt in the middle of a no-hitter in his second major league start..
but at least it’s not his arm guys. and he was DOMINANT. look on the bright side, now he’ll get some rest from throwing in a game for a little while…only may 1st. it sucks that the Yankees pitching is cursed, but again..at least it wasn’t his arm.
The strength and conditioning coaches are obviously Red Sox Fans.
It’s the damn curse of Bernie Williams
PETER your killing us!! any updates??
Argh! Hamstring at least they’re hitting. G…D…It’s do f’d UP this team will be fun to watch fighting to get back into first place. Torre has been great the GM the guy that’s responsible!
Think the hyper extended knee would be better now… Those heal pretty quick.. From replays on ESPN – help from those who are actually watching the game – just looks like he tweaked it.
From Bryan Hoch’s MLB blog:
“Hughes briefly tried to talk his way into staying in the game — “It’s not that bad” were the words I saw as an amateur lip-reader off the TV — before being replaced by Mike Myers. We’ll get an injury update soon enough but what an unfortunate break for Hughes.”
Let’s hope it’s true and it’s not anything big.
Hey guys, listen, it’s probably a hammy injury. You get through these. They’ll be super careful with him and rest him long.
This young man just bounced back after his first outing and showed you and everyone who he is. He’ll bounce right back again.
remember when the astros did this to us their starter got hurt too
Suddenly it all makes sense! Torre called from the bench for Hughes to fake the injury so he could pull him out without drawing criticism, and get some much-needed work in for the bullpen!
Let’s not go overboard… he’s probably on the DL, but I highly doubt it’s a Mark Prior like, damning injury.
What the hell is the conditioning coach doing? All I can do is shake my head. I hope Phil is okay. I dont like it when a knee gets jammed straight like that. arrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh…
Maybe mentioning the possibility of Hughes getting injured in nearly every post put an injury jinx on him. Just kidding, maybe… Those No-Hitter Gods are fickle. How about just like you don’t talk about a no hitter. A new rule should be you don’t mention the words “Dr. James Andrews” in the the same sentence as your top prospect. Deal?
I’m sure Pete will update us as soon as he can, guys. It’s probably pandemonium right now with journalists trying to get info, considering there was already the no-no going at the time he was removed.
hahaha YanksLV, awesome.
i can not believe this. like SJ44 said, some years, it’s just not your year. this is absolutely unbelievable.
yes guys reading gene monahein lips says he poped his hamstring
Look, it was 85 pitches, I don’t think any manager in the world doesn’t at least put Hughes out there for the 7th.
This is obviously not Torre blowing out another arm. It’s entirely reasonable to let a young, healthy pitcher go into the 7th, especially when he’s been pitching a no-hitter until then.
And I don’t know if it is the strength guys, but this seems like more than a coincidence. Maybe it’s just bad luck, but every starting pitcher on the staff has been hurt at some point in the past month, except Pettite. That’s just ridiculous, and I think it would be reasonable to start looking around to see if there is something wrong going on.
I cant believe you had LOSERS talking about no hitters and talking about injuries during a FREAKING NO HITTER!!
Ridiculous
There goes the no hitter doesn’t matter the future is hurt shoulda stayed in Scranton!
Gene Monahan’s face tells all. It’s not good. And now the combo no hitter is gone too.
Why the hell is Myers still in the game? Are we winning by too many runs?
This is not a prior situation, there is nothing wrong with Hughes’ arm.
Well, I was right about the rangers getting a hit in the 8th, just didn’t think it would be off myers.
There goes the no no
there is the weekly, hamstring pinch that sits another effective player on the bench who will be able to either help us this year or help us in the future.
To YanksFanLV:
You’re right. I don’t care how much money Cashman had give the so call strength and conditioning coaches.
They’re not helping. first Wang, Mussina and now Hughes???
This can’t all be just coincidences.
it doesn’t matter what the official word is tonight. whatever it is, it will be followed by, “he’ll be re-examined on X date.” my guess is strained hamstring diagnosis tonight, re-examination tomorrow or the next day.
Yeah, Jake, I am a Red Sox fan. Thanks for being a moron.
Here’s what I am…..heartbroken that a kid may have popped his hamstring in this game.
Yup, that makes me a Red Sox fan. Good call.
Almost as good as Marty Miller’s conditioning program for pitchers.
I guess Gene Monahan is a Red Sox fan too since it sure as hell looked like he said the hamstring, “popped”.
I think Gene probably just feels the same way we do right now. Even if the injury is minory– the situation sucks.
Way to go Myers.
SJ44 Cook something good for the winners tonight some T-Bones?
from nicholas dinubile,MD,Orthopedic Consultant to the Philadelphia 76ers basketball team ,”Dynamic stretching is a more advanced technique, and although it has its potential benefits, it also has higher risk of injury.”
http://health.yahoo.com/expert.....cautiously
it’s my understanding that the new yankee trainers are doing more dynamic stretching than before.
you’re right, jake. hughes’ injury was likely caused by a few people on an internet blog discussing injuries and no hitters. your logic is flawless.
shouldnt bean be pitching in games like this??
This is definitely not our year. Even if Hughes comes back in a month, by that time, it will be far too late to salvage this season. That means a month of who knows. Clippard? Ohlendorf? I have no idea.
Silver lining: the Sox lost!
Get rid of Myers. Why can’t this bullpen do anything right?
yeah jake, it was the magic-power-pixie-dust of people talking that caused the hammy to pop. Later, I’m going to wish myself a winning lotto ticket delivered by Alyssa Milano.
Get a life.
Can the Yankees please fire the training staff now? 4 hammy injuries in ONE MONTH. WHAT DO WE PAY THEM FOR?
Myers staying in isn’t a big deal, we have a lot of cushion and there’s no use using up the bullpen, let him pitch out of it.
How could it be the Yankees trainer? Hughes was down in AAA with someone else.
It’s a little early to be scoreboard watching, but it looks like we’ll get one back on Boston tonight. And Papelbon blew a save. Wow!
Pete, please just tell us the facts so I don’t have to scroll through ~200 posts of ~50% rubbish to find out what is going on.
Thanks.
“i can not believe this. like SJ44 said, some years, it’s just not your year. this is absolutely unbelievable.”
Howabout you write the year off when the games become unimportant? Until then, keep watching.
kill me seriously, could this year get anyworse
Randy 1:
Remember that talk about strength and conditioning we had a few weeks back? Wow. I have never seen anything like this. This is more than the injury uptick across MLB in the first few weeks. This cannot be a coincidence.
Tabata has plenty of time to heal himself until he is ready to help the major league team. No worries there.
It’s gotta be either Clippard or DeSalvo
Here’s a novel thought.
Before talking about 3000 weeks on the DL and all kinds of drastic injuries until we’re told for sure what it is. No sense in speculating and generating panic when nothing has been factually or officially said yet, bad as it looks.
not to make it any worse but tabata left sunday nights game as well in the 7th and hasn’t played since. not good.
You couldn’t sell this script in Hollywood. Un-f’ing-believable. If anyone says this is because he is in the majors too soon, they should be shot.
wow pete thanks for all the info. surely you dont need to update us in a time like this. thanks again.
man when it rains it pours… and we just had hail here in central jersey
I think this answers your question, Peter
Man, a no-hitter would’ve been awesome!
But if you think about it, this may not be all that bad. I’ll explain:
1. It’s most likely only a hamstring injury, and even though that’s very painful, it’s not as bad as an arm or shoulder injury. As soon as he gets back to the big leagues he’ll once again be effective;
2. He won’t need to throw more pitches than the Yankees wanted him to to complete the no-hitter;
3. A few weeks off means less innings, which means he will likely not exceed the max innings the Yankees want him to pitch (I heard 180-185 innings);
4. Even though no-hitters are special and don’t happen too often I believe Hughes will get one (or more) in the next 10-20 years;
And hey, he was on a roll, but still needed 8 more outs.
Ill say some bright side. Its minor. Hes out 4 weeks. But thats 4 weeks he doesnt have to put any strain on the arm and hes back june 1 which is what should have happend anyway
Now please someone step up and be a 7 inning pitcher
ummm…
any chance it was a charlie horse….?
he could have been dehydrated, and that sh@t catches up on you quick.
they have to go 9-4 at minimum on this Ranger-Mariner marathon…then it is the White Sox, Mets, Red Sox, Angels and the season could be over by June 1st….that is a tough stretch with Matt DeSalvo and Darrell Rasner pitching
Was Hughes following that dynamic stretching program? If so, this may be the person who Stein etc. fire.
Shut up lopper
Least Cano looks like he’s coming around.
Matt:
Maybe you’re right. Hughes was in AAA until a week ago. But he did do ST with the big club. (I don’t know. I’m just completely in shock).
Matt DeSalvo, 3 hit shutout tonight for Scranton.
He is now, 3-0 with a 1.05 ERA. He should get the call to replace Hughes in the rotation.
Just keep him away from the strength and conditioning coach and let’s see if he can get the job done.
For the uninitiated, if Hughes did “pop” his hamstring, as Monahan seems to have said, he is out for 2 months, minimum.
A kid his size tends to recover slower than normal sized guys from that type of injury.
What a rotten shame. Even on good nights, it seems something bad happens to this team this season.
The no hitter is meaningless. Its about his leg. He needs Mr. Miagi right now.
You got to love how Pete throws a quick post up or gives any update on the most important in game story of the year!
I agree, Matt. Hughes was in the AAA until a couple weeks ago. He wasn’t working with this crap conditioning coach. Still, this is crazy.
sorry guys… my arm was tired… you see, ive been rooming with Matsui.
Again SJ44 is a Sox fan. Beware.
Patch, that would be great news and terrible timing to get dehyrdated, but a HUGE sigh of relief overall. In the long run, the no-no means A LOT less than this kid’s health, to state the obvious…
Man we can’t even enjoy a blowout.
10 runs lets hope the yanks get this every night they will need it with thus pitching staff! Doubters Yanks will be in first come September mark my words!
Guys you do conditioning every week
Isn’t it a little odd this kid never got injured in the minors
Never got injured till he was with the coaches in the majors?
5 hammy injuries
THIS IS ALL THE MARTY MILLERS FAULT
Very novel indeed, Angel. ;^ )
Seriously, how cam any of you be sitting here saying 6+ weeks out, 4 weeks out, the season is ruined before there is even an official announcement about what happened?
Let’s just hope for the best.
Unlike the rest of us, Pete’s a respected reporter and won’t post anything unless it’s completely accurate.
“You got to love how Pete throws a quick post up or gives any update on the most important in game story of the year!”
He’ll update when he knows something. No sense in coming here to say “i haven’t heard anything, when I do I will post it.”
Just heard murti’s update on the fan. no official word on the injury yet.
DeSalvo pitched 5 innings tonight, not a shutout. Corsari, thanks for the positives, I think we should all print thata out and keep a copy in our pocket.
“wow pete thanks for all the info. surely you dont need to update us in a time like this. thanks again.”
Geez, could you be more demanding and ungrateful? Peter has a job to do that is his first responsibility – do you forget that? He will tell us when he gets a moment.
I imagine the Yanks will be real cautious about announcing the truth of Hughes’s injury. Why would Pete post a rumor?
I gotta imagine that Igawa will pitch on Friday.
Going on a tangent, if Wang is going to pitch Saturday, who’s going to pitch Friday?
Igawa.
Seriously– enough criticism of Pete. Remember a time people when you could only get your news from bozos in the booth?
“Going on a tangent, if Wang is going to pitch Saturday, who’s going to pitch Friday?”
Igawa.
Jake – I’m 99% positive that SJ44 is not a red sox fan
DeSalvo pitched tonight, Ohlie yesterday (I think), so that leaves Clippard and Rasner?
No, Jake I am not. But, keep trying to sell that.
Next, you will be selling the Marty Miller Yankee Workout Video.
I am probably a bigger Yankee fan than you are Jake.
Only difference is, I don’t buy the party line that all these leg injuries to pitchers are just coincidences.
But, yes, that must make me a Red Sox fan because I don’t agree with you.
BTW, did you see Monahan’s face? It sure as hell didn’t look like Hughes’ injury was “minor” to him.
Since you have whiffed badly on the, “who is the Red Sox fan” in the blog game, I suggest you don’t try medicine next.
The kid popped his hamstring. Its awful, a bummer and yes, the entire strength and conditioning program initiated this year should be reviewed.
And no, that doesn’t make me a Red Sox fan.
Just a Yankee fan tired of seeing every starting pitcher end up on the DL with leg injuries.
Gosh Wolf, I knew there’d be panic on here, and i haven’t been around all night really, but I badly underestimated, lol. I thought I’d pop in so I could see what Pete had to say about it when he gets a chance, I can’t believe how demanding people are of him, sheesh.
Give Pete a break, guys. He’s probably with Gene M. right now greasing his palm with some Benjamins, telling him, “Hurry, I got to post it quick. You know how the blog is. THEY GOT TO KNOW NOW!”
out of all the yankee moments in my history; phil hughes brought me down
UGH whats taking so long!!!
Petes job is to cover to the game and inform his readers ie us. He had all the time in the world to blog during the game and speculate about pitch counts and Dr James Andrews.
He cant throw a simple post up about whats going on? Even if its nothing? Just to allay the concerns of 50 people here biting their nails off???
I dont think its too much to ask
Assuming he goes on the DL, they are going to be so cautious with this injury, we probably won’t see him for 5-6 weeks best case.
petes in the clubhouse not near his computer late in games reporters go the clubhouse anyway and as soon as phil walked off the mound im sure the reporters leaving the press box made it looked like a fire had broken out
Shut up, Jake. Pete’s probably tracking someone down who knows something. If you’re gonna whine about his writing, stop coming to his blog.
I don’t think the problem here is for Hughes. He’s young, the injury looks minor enough that he can recover from it, and it might even give the Yanks an excuse to rest him more and maybe throw a game or two down in AAA, just to be safe.
The problem is for the team. A team with a pitching staff that’s just been destroyed over the past month. A team which today had their young pitching star throwing a dominant no-hitter before he, like three starters before him gets hurt.
I don’t think the Yankees are vulnerable to many head-games, for better or for worse. But this just has to hurt their spirits. This game was almost a rallying point, something to start building on. Even if Hughes doesn’t finish the game, seven innings of a no-hitter plus some good relief work would have been amazing, and it would have helped the team put April away and start making up for lost time.
I’m certainly not going to hang it up for the season. Their still going to win this game, it looks like. But this could have been a win that gives them some real momentum and rallying force, and instead its a a pyrrhic victory.
Let’s just hope the Yanks let Hughes take his time recovering. We obviously need him, but it would be much better to let him take too much time than too little time.
Hughes has been on the team for a week, I don’t think the trainer is the problem, unless you’re suggesting it’s from the ground up.
Jim – any estimate on when the site will be up and running again?
He’s probably writing a story or trying to find out, Jennifer. That is his job, after all. Or perhaps they don’t have an answer. I’m sure he’ll let us know when he gets a chance. I’d rather wait and have an accurate answer from him, than all the speculation.
I hear ya jay, we’ve got a collection of internet doctors and amateir lipreaders jumping to some big-time conclusions.
Why is Vizcaino in this game? It’s 10-1? This is the exat situation where you keep Myers in, or put Bean or Henn in.
You don’t waste one of your “big” relievers in a blow-out?
This continually drives me crazy with Joe!
will you freakin people calm down. for the love of all that is holy, just relax.
Kurticus Jerkis. Sorry to be asking for an update on our prized pitcher.
I shouldnt have been so “demanding” for asking for an update from the blogger who blogs all game on the team and is usually very fast. Hence why we all come here.
But again I apologize after I puke on your face.
Good grief, not you too Jake.
Come on Angel, we have to work on your log-on expectations around here. 8^ )~
You’ve got your drama queens, your know-it-alls, your spoiled brats, just for starters. Very tough crowd for us “unicorns and rainbows” people, if you know what I mean.
I honestly can’t believe there are people suggesting Pete isn’t doing his job by not having anything to report yet. #@&%4# unbelieveable.
Did Viz pitch sunday? If not, this makes sense to me.
nnyfank- out of all the moments this is the worst one? I guess you just started following the team today because I can remember a lot worse moments than this, even just in the last two to three weeks watching Mo pitch and get lit up.
Ohlendorf and Clippard should get looks if Hughes is out awhile
Jake – I’m 100% sure SJ44 is the Scarecrow
So let’s get this straight – Hughes has been up in NY for 2 weeks – and that’s enough time for him to be ‘corrupted’ by the major league strength and conditioning coach???
Puhhh-lease – have you ever worked out in your life?
“Post hoc ergo propter hoc” is sound logic where I come from
And what exactly do you want Monahan to do? Dance a jig out there if he ‘decides’ that it’s a minor injury on the spot?
He’s going to assume it’s a serious injury regardless of what happens… until he determines otherwise
Let’s stop stupid speculation and fear mongering for a little while…
Well said Kurt.
I shouldnt have been so “demanding� for asking for an update from the blogger who blogs all game on the team and is usually very fast. Hence why we all come here.
Speak for yourself. You’re just being obnoxious now.
jake, what in god’s name is the matter with you? pete’s blog will be updated as soon as he has the info. quit being a twit.
Forget Pete. God forbid YES says anything about it either.
Anthony
He’s talking about his site NYYFans.com
The forum is down – too many on the site trying to get info on Phil Hughes.
murphydog-
i actually talked with a triple a trainer i know,and he said he had heard through the grapevine that the yankees were doing a lot of dynamic stretching. he said he personally was sceptical about using a lot of it. the problem is that you can’t prove the dynamic stretching did it. it’s also a matter of emphasis. every team uses some.
i don’t know enough about it to say it was the new trainers, but it’s not looking good for the new trainer’s program right now.
i’ve had several bad hamstring pulls with black and blue and swelling from my butt to my knee, and they are not easy to get rid of( 6 weeks). they have a way of coming back once you get one. that’s why the red flag went up when we first were talking about it on the blog after wang and mussina went down.
i sure hope it’s a minor one like mussina’s, but that’s still gonna knock him out three weeks.unbelievable.
Keep in mind that Pete WORKS for a newspaper (not this blog) and that newspaper is on a deadline for the early editions and Pete probably is writing that story right now and can’t throw up a post of “nothing to tell you.” Also, if Pete knew anything the YES broadcasters would also know what’s going on. Calm down and we’ll find out in about 15-20mins.
It’s disgusting to think in some red sox blog somewhere they are happy for the misfortune of a 20 year old kid pitching his second major league game.
Actually the yankees haven’t said anything officially, I would think he would need an MRI, those results take time. Pete will tell us something when he can.
Also SJ44 is not a Red Sox fan, why else would he give the Yankees so much thought and effort in his writings regardless of our opinion of them. Good to see that he forcefully defended being called a Red Sox fan, that is a disgusting thing to be called.
josh, time to start considering Henn one of those “big relievers”
Wow, Jake. Puke on my face. Just, wow.
Moving on…
Jake- NEWSFLASH: Nobody knows what’s wrong yet, is that so unbelievable? God you’re being like a freakin two year old.
Its been over an hour. ANyone that comes here daily knows Pete NEVER takes that long to post about anything.
All anyone wants is a comment from Pete.
Even just a “Be back. Getting the info”
Posada said he said he felt a Pop..
The injury is upsetting. But Hughes got his first win!!
Vizcaino pitched an inning on Sunday.
With Pettitte going tomorrow and then Moose and Igawa this team will need a rested pen. I just don’t get it.
posada said “he said he felt it pop” in the after game interview
Oh damn. Jorge just said that Phil, “felt it pop. and we’re going to miss him for a while”
Jorge thinks it will be awhile because he heard it pop.
The hack says the Yankees Win but the3 phenom may be hurt How much does thus win coast. Not to be a pessimist but I hope the kid is okay!
I’m embarrassed FOR some of you, lol.
I’d hate to be stuck in traffic with some of you. Ack.
They probably don’t know anything yet. Should he put up a post that looks like this:
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just so you know he’s not neglecting us and gave us something, even though he knows nothing yet?
jake,
you’re a colossal idiot. what good would a “getting the info” post do? OF COURSE he’s getting the info.
his frequent posts are often opinions and conversational pieces. when it comes to info on injuries, it has to COME FROM THE CLUB. which means pete can’t post it any sooner than it’s delivered to him.
are you seriously that daft?
Posada just told Kim Jones that Hughes felt a pop. Torn hammy? let’s hope not… just when there’s a ray of light… it’s an oncoming train instead… just seems like that kind of season…
Maybe he doesnt have time to post “be back, getting the info” because he’s off getting the info… sit tight people, we will all find out soon enough.
I HOPE they get fired.
Duh sorry a little drunk 3Phenom=Phenom coast=cost sorry its my day off and I’ve been over indulging!
What did they say about Hughes’ injury? Is he missing any starts? Kinda ridiculous.
Question: I’m pretty naive when it comes to injuries but from what I’m reading from you guys is that a hyperextended knee is “better” than a hammy injury. I’m guessing that’s that case?
Question: I’m pretty naive when it comes to injuries but from what I’m reading from you guys is that a hyperextended knee is “better” than a hammy injury. I’m guessing that’s that case?
Actually, yes. A post saying almost nothing would be better than nothing at all right now.
Wow. Speechless.
I think if he tore his hammy, he wouldn’t be able to walk around the mound and waive off posada…
Who here thinks those trainers won’t get fired?
Well on the bright side we picked up a game on everyone else in the AL East, they all lost..including the Sux losing w/ Paps blowing the save.
I saw this alot this year and last year with Cano. They said that Wangs wasn’t serious and he was out for a month. So you figure we wont see Hughes for a month. Since they will be EXTREMELY careful with him anyway.
Pete A put Amy Winehouse on your Ipod best thing to come outta England since the Kinks!
let me put this differently for you, jake: pete owes you NOTHING. this blog is provided and updated FREE OF CHARGE.
is that clear enough?
okay angel and all of the “don’t panic” folks: jorge says hughes felt the hammy pop. as SJ44 said, that’s 2 months, minimum. so, that’s as close to official word as we’ve got right now and, as most everyone figured, the word is not good.
Jake – shut up. Pete owes you nothing and doesn’t get paid for doing the blog. So stop being a baby.
Wonder if it could be an ACL, that would knock him out a year. Although I don’t think he would be able to walk off if that was it.
I like Henn, but he still scares me against good righties. He’s also been used slightly less than Vizcaino. Personally I’d have kept Myers in or tried to see what Bean had in the 9th. It’s little things like these that add up over the course of the season. The starters are struggling for innings. Moose and Igawa will top at 6 probably. You have a chance to rest the over-worked guys and you don’t.
And yes, the Hughes injury has me in a bad mood. Can’t even enjoy a blow-out.
Who knows really. Karstens was able to walk on a broken fibula, so Hughes walking around surely doesn’t mean anything. Some of these guys not named Pavano are pretty tough.
On the bright side, at least it was it was something in his leg that popped and not something in his arm.
I would have used Farnsworth in the ninth. They can’t use him in a real game so this was a great opportunity to put him in and save the real pitchers.
Well the best thing tonight is Hughes got his 1st win…the Yanks won, and Papelballs gave up a 2 run homer and they lost.
Even if it wasn’t very serious, they are going to take it slow with this guy so expect it to be awhile guys and I’m sure Pete will get to it when A) he knows something B) he has time too.
Dint,
I understand your logic about keeping him on his regiment but sometimes you need to stray from it. I guess thats why managers makes millions and we sit here and debate. I would like to know what Torre would have done in the situation and how Cashman would have reacted.
Most commented Pete Abraham post EVER.
I expect to see Phil in a Yankees uniform again on or around August 21st. That is my prediction.
Having discussed the injury with my mother (who, btw, is a former top 10 state gymnast and very familiar with training and injury), she believes that a popped hamstring would inhibit the ability of anyone, including Phil Hughes, to walk under their own power. She said that having seen many hamstring injuries, it’s much more possible that he pulled something in his knee, rather than popping his hamstring.
I don’t believe that the injury is season-ending, but it’s unlikely to see him until June.
Jake,
Pete is in the clubhouse. He can’t run to the computer and post anything until he gets official word.
So, just shut up and wait.
If you can’t do that, have your mommy wake you up when Pete posts something.
Posada already said what some of us saw Monahan tell Pettitte.
He popped his hamstring. How bad? We don’t know.
All hamstring “pops” or “pulls” involve some tearing. The severity of it one usually doesn’t know until tomorrow.
If the area discolors, that’s not good.
Either way, he won’t be available to pitch for quite some time, which is a rotten shame.
He was a JOY to watch tonight.
Its just a sad, sad night.
wang said he also felt a pop when he injured his hamstring… and he needed about 2 weeks to get back.
a “pop” could mean anything, so people need to calm down and wait for official word to be released.
Well, forget the team doctors, we have the opinion of a former top 10 state gymnast.
I gotta say, it did look fairly bad. I don’t think it was just a tweak. I hope I’m wrong about that, but it LOOKED like a pop.
I forgot. This is the Kiss Petes ass blog. Not the Yanks blog. My bad.
Call it what it is. We’ve had no news here for an hour and a half.
And why are you all still here posting? Because you’re dying for answers too. So get off the high horses.
Jake- man you need to chill out. Pete will be back soon enough, if you read here often, then you will know that this blog is top nominated in for all sports blogs. I think Pete does his job pretty well, and I’m sure most other frequent posters will agree with me.
“okay angel and all of the “don’t panicâ€? folks: jorge says hughes felt the hammy pop. as SJ44 said, that’s 2 months, minimum”
Let’s see, kasey – that was said when …? AFTER our comments about not panicking. So if it is indeed that bad, obviously we’re not going to be blindly happy. Don’t be so patronizing, you pompous ass.
I’m not saying don’t panic, Kasey. I’m saying WAIT to panic until you hear something thats factual and official and not speculative or hysterical. Okay?
strenght and conditioning guys are at fault, morons Hughes has been in the minors until the last week.
injuries happen losers.
I guess Hughes has major league stuff!!!!Didn’t look like they rushed him, he is a stud………..WOW
randy 1:
The whole injury record here has been just unbelievable. Combine that with the fact that they just changed conditioning coaches and methods plus the fact that we didn’t go through this last year under the old regime and you have a pretty good circumstantial case.
Does anyone else (MLB, NFL, NHL or NBA etc) use this method? If so any similar events – upticks in a particular type of injury?
Considering all the expensive horseflesh on and off the DL this year, I’m for hiring a forensic expert doc to review all the injuries and opine as to the cause(s).
When has kasey ever posted anything positive?
Jeff-
Nah, it’s not an acl. When you tear your acl your knee generally gives out and you’ll go down. You can walk around shortly after, but I think you would have seen more of a reaction as it happened.
Jake – get over yourself. We’re posting (and reading) because we’re Yankees fans who awe worried about our kid-phenom pitcher. Meanwhile, we’re trying to ignore you.
Easy Justin, she was just offering an opinion from someone who’s had exposure to the type of injury since we haven’t heard anything from the doctors yet..
Jake, no-one’s saying you shouldn’t be here looking for answers, but since ESPN, YES, and the rest of the world don’t have answers, how exactly do you expect Pete to? Are you calling ESPN and cursing them out?
Of course we all want to know. Doesn’t mean we’re cursing Pete for not getting it to us the second it happens. He’s a beat reporter, he’s not the trainer himself. I’m sure there’s some closed doors in the clubhouse while they examine Hughes.
This has nothing to do with kissing Pete’s ass, Jake, this has to do with not acting like a clown, which you clearly are.
We are dying for answers, but we’re not throwing temper tantrums that Pete hasn’t been able to post yet, I imagine he is doing his best to get the answers. I want them soon, but getting mad at Pete for not posting anything when it appears nobody knows anything is unbelievably childish. When you calm down you are going to be ashamed of your behavior here.
HAHA, down goes Jake. Whatever Pete post tonight isn’t going to matter b/c no one is going to know anything tonight. If its not serious they will take it slow and build him back up. If its serious, it is what it is but no one is going to know that tonight. If I had to guess its a mild tweak and it will take a few weeks at least. Maybe more since he is the savior.
I hate to part of the jump to conclusions crowd, but it sure seems like more than a coincidence that there are so many injuries soon after the conditioning trainers and theorectically their programs have changed. I mean even that bulldog Pavano got hurt, who could have foreseen that?
lay off pete, he works his ass off to give us the best blog to read, again for free.. let him get the most in depth story he can.
Apparently, Wolf I’m supposed to fly off the deep end because people on a blog say something and take their word for it.
Sorry, not going to happen. I’m not a flying off the deep end, hysterical kind of person anyway, lol.
He’s out 8 weeks if he’s out a day. I say it’s a blessing in disguise. He’ll be rested for the stretch drive. Let’s hope DeSalvo has an Aaron Small deal-with-the-devil streak in him.
wolf and angel,
all i’m saying is that jorge’s prognosis was the closest we’ve come to news and it wasn’t good. i wasn’t refuting the idea that we should wait to panic. i was saying, okay, now we’ve got reason to panic a bit.
that’s it. simmer down, wolf.
Honestly, looking at the video it looked like a knee thing when he went so far forward and kind of wobbled on that knee. It reminds me of knee injuries I’ve had. Anyway, that’s all speculation and they’re saying he felt a pop, so who knows.
Thanks, Katie, I was actually wondering about the importance of him walking off the field.
Like I said, I don’t think this is too bad for Hughes. He was walking, which means even if it’s bad, it’s probably recoverable, and recoverable this season. Make sure he takes his time, maybe some more AAA starts to err on the side of caution, and it’ll be fine.
The problem is for the team. It’s another injury, in an already injury-addled team. And it’s an injury to their star prospect, at the height of a no-hitter. That’s going to hurt anybody’s spirits.
Oh, and-
All in favor of no longer responding to Jake? Say ‘aye’.
Aye!
Maybe Hughes was hanging out with Pavano b4 this game. That would explain a lot more than the strength and conditioning coaches.
Everytime a Yankee hamstring pops somewhere in Texas a calculator adds another digit….
How many times have we heard it’s nothing big, should only be a few days, then it’s 30 days later and they’re just throwing off a low mound? So his walking away doesn’t mean a heck of a lot to me. I’m not hitting the panic button, but I’m a bit worried for him, and the team.
Go to this thread and take your best guess of the date Phil next starts for the NY Yankees:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S.....p;T=479521
stuart:
Hughes did ST with the big club and the conditioning coaches we are talking about.
P.S.: It’s strength, not “strenght” (Who is a moron now, Stuie?)
He will be fine. Let’s not freak out. It does no good. When we find out he’s done for the season, then we can sh** a brick. But for now, i’m thinking he misses two weeks. Maybe 3 or 4. It’s not like we expected to have him all season, anyway. Just be patient. He walked off too easily, unaided, to have been something too serious. His knee could have easily been the thing that made the “popping” noise.
The day off put things back in order. I love to see us having Pettitte, Wang, and Igawa going. I finally have confidence in Igawa.
“This is the Kiss Petes ass blog. Not the Yanks blog. My bad.”
No, nearly right though. Its Pete’s Yanks blog. If you think you can do a better job and get information quicker than he can, by all means start your own.
One thing is sure, I bet this site is reaching record numbers tonight
That post complaining that Joe is “wasting” Vizcaiano was a joke right?
everyone got their wish of not throwing Hughes too many injuries.
that’s exactly how it looked. damn.
Actually, I’ve gone back, slowed down the tape, and what Monahan said was “It’s clearly A-Rod’s fault.” Just wanted to get that straight for everybody.
Torre said it popped. He assumes he will be out about 6 weeks..WOW this ########!!
Joe Torre says it is a significant injury and that he felt a pop in his hamstring. He estimates “AT LEAST 6 weeks”
Hamstring is pulled… Hughes said that he did this in high school… Torre said it is significant – 6 weeks. No clue on who will fill in this spot.
All this from the radio report Sterling/Waldman.
Yikes….the Franchise is crumbling….
“Popped hamstring” -Susan Waldmyn My personal experience from pulling a hamstring like this (with avulsion fracture) during my collegiate lacrosse career at a top-notch university with good trainers: 6 weeks minimum recovery time. Lets hope for better.
lol, how did we let a golden opportunity for an “its Arod’s fault” go by. It took 300 something posts until someone thought we all needed to lighten up just a little laugh by mentioning it. Well done, ClevelandMike.
six weeks means easily two months. man. what a drag.
Waldman: Torre says at least 6 weeks…
LOL, that’s hysterical Cleveland Mike.
A friend of mine just e-mailed me and said that (apparently) Hughes said he felt something pop in his upper hamstring and he had suffered a similar injury in high school.
If that’s true, he is out until the 4th of July at the earliest. They aren’t going to risk him at all.
Its just a shame it happened. Just seems to be one of those years so far.
Well, if that’s case (Hughes out 6 weeks), then he’s back after the all-star break. In the meantime, Mr. Clemens can expect a fed-ex package containing one signed check with no amount filled in.
So basically, the kid flat out backed up what he said before he came up “I’m going up there to pitch to the best of my ability and I don’t intend on coming back.” He backed up those words tonight and earned a spot as a 20 year old in the starting rotation for the New York Yankees (though I guess Cash gave it to him already, but he earned it tonight).
Then his hamstring fails him. What a terrible break. Talk about up and down in an instant.
Holy crap.
So now we need to somehow make it to July. Well, let’s try and get something out of Clippard or De Salvo and do everything we can to get Clemens to come give us a hand.
Something’s clearly wrong with the team’s warm-up regime. There are just too many hamstring injuries! I think I heard Joe Buck suggest the other night that baseball teams need to adopt yoga as part of the workout/warmup regime. Right now, that sounds good to me.
Heard the same thing from Suzyn’s clubhouse report.
I will say this – I think it’s incredibly irresponsible on the part of the doomsayers to lay the blame on the strength and conditioning coaches, unless their stretching regime involved sitting on the coach and eating Pringles
Of course some of the people here seem to enjoy nothing more than wild accusations, panic, and getting fellow fans up on the ledges of tall buildings
We’ll get through this – in the short term, I’d expect Rasner back up and in the rotation til Pavano returns.
Hughes will be back at some point – mid to late June perhaps
Let’s not let the b@st@rds get us down….
he will get his 180 innings down the stretch…Clemens will be a Yankee by then…
Wang, Petitte, Mussina, Clemens, Hughes, Igawa
Pavano still throwing off flat ground
That is not a bad rotation
Cleveland Mike-
No, Pettite’s going to have to hand-deliver that blank check. Maybe bring some flowers and candy for Mrs. Clemens, some new toys for the kids.
And then Andy takes Roger out to the yard with a 6-pack, reminisce about all the good times they had pitching together, and wouldn’t it be nice to do that again? Like, really really nice?
When can we schedule Rocket’s first hamstring injury in pinstripes?
this season is amazing. even when you win it kicks you. I hate this year
Oh yeah, and that was a dominant 6.3 innings tonight. Just flat out dominant. His arm is fine and future looks bright. Maybe we can sacrifice Carl Pavano to hamstring gods in the meantime. Cashman, make it happen. Clemens, too.
steve, I’m afraid to even watch the games anymore. Might pull a hammy on my way to the fridge or something. These injuries are like a freaking plague.
Clemens wouldn’t want to come to this team. He’d be terrified of what the conditioning coach might do to this middle-aged body. It literally might snap in half.
The good thing about this injury is that he can at least keep his arm in shape. We seriously need to look at the strength and conditioning coaches.
What a bittersweet first victory. Who would have thought that he would achieve his potential so early? Now that he’s had a taste of it, he’ll work hard to get back soon.
The baseball Gods will not make this years run for a title easy to say the least.
Yep – definitely sucks. As others have said already though, I’m glad it’s not something in his arm or shoulder.
This isn’t the way the point should have been driven home, but people had said not to rely on Hughes to be the savior of the team at this point, or even to expect him to stick in NY permanently. I suppose one way to look at the length of his recovery is that he could still become available again well before the organization expected him to be called up to begin with.
Let’s just pray for a quick, solid recovery for Phil with no long-term effects.
Goodnight, guys – I’m worn out.
Wolf, people said not to rely on him because they didn’t think he could dominate and make the difference right away, and didn’t want to put that pressure on him. I think he proved he could both dominate and handle the pressure tonight, even if it was only one start.
Yoga actually isn’t a bad idea, girly as people think it is, lol. I started doing it last year and my flexiblity and strength has shown huge improvement. More improvement than I got from light weights.
here is a clue…Clemens would not use their strength and conditioning coach for anything other than handing him a towel or asking for a spot…the guy has pitched 20 years in the bigs and is in incredible shape (performance enchancing substances…sure but who cares) and does not need some whistle dick strength coach like a Humberto “Nacho” Sanchez does
that doesn’t sound right.
One thing the kid did. He gave us all a helluva sneak preview tonight.
Best case is, he is back by the All Star Break.
If he is, he can pitch with the Yankees and they don’t have to worry about him hitting 180 innings.
The thud sound you hear is another 2 million to the Clemens offer.
He’s gonna make a TON of money for 3-4 months work.
I think Rasner is the guy that’s gonna be comming up not De Salvo or Clippard
ESPN is reporting that Hughes will be out 4 to 6 weeks…
Clemens wants to win a World Series, and/or be close to home. The Yanks give him the worst opportunity for those goals than either of the other two teams he’s considering, at least for now.
For what it’s worth, ESPN just reported Hughes out 4-6 weeks. I think post-all-star break is good possibility. What’s that 8-9 starts? I assume this means Rasner or DeSalvo in Hughes’s place (probably DeSalvo).
On the YES postgame show, Hughes says that he feels no stinging or sharp pain, and that he did “feel” a pop, but he has expected that all hamstring injuries have one. He’s standing as he makes this interview, and he says he’s not in any physical pain.
To me, it sounds like he pulled his hamstring. As long as there’s no discoloration, I’d say that he’s anywhere from 3-4 weeks away. I really don’t believe this is a 6+ week injury, despite the way Torre and Cashman word it. According to my mother, a serious injury would undermine the ability of a person to stand for extended periods or walk under their own power. Add his age and the treatment available to him, I seriously cannot believe that it’s going to be 6+ weeks. If it is, it’s only because Cash is being careful and handling him with kid gloves.
When NYYFANS.COM comes back the We’re doomed!!! thread will explode
Wait, 4 – 6 weeks puts us in mid-June. I figure early July if they really take their time. There’s still alot of baseball left then.
If Torre said “at least 6 weeks,” I’d be shocked if he’s back in the majors before the All-Star break. Maybe late June to start pitching in Scranton.
I say give DeSalvo the next chance, with Rasner as fallback.
I just read on River Ave. Blues that it appears Tabata is injured too. He left the game on suday in the 7th and hasn’t played since.
So, it’s not the end of the world. Sweet.
Peter you are a disgrace man you jinxed Hughes big time, just like every other Yankee player you have jinxed last month.
Doesn’t matter if its a pop or a pull, the yankees are gonna be a pain in the butt and keep him out for the entire season.
at least he can pitch deep into the season and still be around 180 innings.
Chris NY, I know what you’re saying and I don’t disagree at all. He definitely proved tonight that he has what it takes. I’m just saying, talent or not, we were warned prior to this start about getting expectations up for a long stay after his call up.
Look, you guys are great people to blog with, regardless of frustrations or disagreements. If anybody would like to chat about the Yanks or just get to know each other sometime, there’s a link in my screen name to my myspace page. Feel free to send me a message sometime.
Now I’m *really* going to bed.
Thanks for sharing that info, Katie. Its always good to hear from people who have knowledge about things that we don’t. Does discoloration/bruising usually mean its torn?
How is ESPN reporting anything when the Yankees don’t even know yet?
I don’t think DeSalvo is comming up, he has pitched 20 innings in four games. That’s five a game. Rasner has a better shot at comming up.
I know all, don’t doubt my power
Angel: thanks for the shoutout, but my mom is the one with the knowledge of injury. It sounds very vague, but since she’s the one who rehabbed from a back injury that was supposed to leave her paralyzed, I’m apt to trust her words when it comes to dealing with injury. She saw the motion; she made her conclusions.
I’m not sure about the discoloration; I’ll ask about it.
no way the yanks are bringing this guy back early even if its a pull and he could be back in 3 weeks, hes minimum 6 weeks. u’re crazy if u think cash and torre will risk him re-injuring that hamstring. such a tease tho, that curveball was ridiculous. can’t wait for him to come back.
Good… good…. Hughes is learning to use the Pavano force well. I think he’ll find his paycheck will be QUITE cashable when it arrives.
In seriousness…. I use Giambi’s response to Karstens’ injury for Hughes’ injury. Aw !@#$%.