Comments on: Reflecting on a wild night http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/ A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:57:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: saucy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35700 saucy Thu, 03 May 2007 15:52:09 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35700 been away from the blog for a few days. actually missed most of the game tuesday, just caught the first 4 innings and then the game recap on the radio. i knew he hadn't let up a hit, but also knew something was fishy when sterlings recap only included yankee offensive hightlights. then finally he got to the pitching. i swear my dreams were messing with my head that night after hearing what had happened. and mel, hilarious: "When Giambi got plunked, I almost expected him to giggle like the Pillsbury Doughboy." hope you sent that one to pete in question form... been away from the blog for a few days.

actually missed most of the game tuesday, just caught the first 4 innings and then the game recap on the radio. i knew he hadn’t let up a hit, but also knew something was fishy when sterlings recap only included yankee offensive hightlights.

then finally he got to the pitching. i swear my dreams were messing with my head that night after hearing what had happened.

and mel, hilarious:
“When Giambi got plunked, I almost expected him to giggle like the Pillsbury Doughboy.”

hope you sent that one to pete in question form…

]]> By: Phil http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35269 Phil Wed, 02 May 2007 22:22:25 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35269 There was already a lot to know about Hughes after his fairly historic summer of tearing up the Eastern league as a 20 year old last year. It's always been a shame that the beat guys haven't known much about the farm. There was already a lot to know about Hughes after his fairly historic summer of tearing up the Eastern league as a 20 year old last year. It’s always been a shame that the beat guys haven’t known much about the farm.

]]> By: Bill http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35128 Bill Wed, 02 May 2007 19:51:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35128 Haha... serious? Haha… serious?

]]> By: Drive 4-5 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35122 Drive 4-5 Wed, 02 May 2007 19:44:14 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35122 Is that for real mike f???? Is that for real mike f????

]]> By: mike f http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35111 mike f Wed, 02 May 2007 19:36:51 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35111 NEWS FLASH Yankees Fire Strength Coach NEWS FLASH

Yankees Fire Strength Coach

]]> By: randy l http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35089 randy l Wed, 02 May 2007 18:53:33 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35089 chris ny, thanks for the thoughtful comments on this issue. it's not a front burner issue, but i think with the emphasis on young pitching by all organizations that some agent is going to push the issue at some point in the next few years. rob neyer said recently that stat geeks(his term) were going to be replaced by the next new gig thing of pitching development geeks( his term again). this emphasis on young pitchers can''t be being missed by agents like boras. it's not just a matter of what the young pitcher's contract says because the whole contract could be declared illegal by the courts like what happened with the reserve clause. i agree this is a topic for another day, but it's an interes when he comes back. reality says hughes is gone for a few months, and the yankees have a ballgame to win tonight. time to move on. chris ny,
thanks for the thoughtful comments on this issue. it’s not a front burner issue, but i think with the emphasis on young pitching by all organizations that some agent is going to push the issue at some point in the next few years. rob neyer said recently that stat geeks(his term) were going to be replaced by the next new gig thing of pitching development geeks( his term again). this emphasis on young pitchers can’‘t be being missed by agents like boras. it’s not just a matter of what the young pitcher’s contract says because the whole contract could be declared illegal by the courts like what happened with the reserve clause. i agree this is a topic for another day, but it’s an interes when he comes back. reality says hughes is gone for a few months, and the yankees have a ballgame to win tonight. time to move on.

]]> By: Chris NY http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35061 Chris NY Wed, 02 May 2007 17:58:43 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35061 "Wouldn’t it be interesting if Hughes was going through his rehab starts while Roger was getting his ST work in down in the minors." Very interesting indeed Nick, good observation. That could very well happen and I for one would be headed to Scranton for a game or two to watch it up close. “Wouldn’t it be interesting if Hughes was going through his rehab starts while Roger was getting his ST work in down in the minors.”

Very interesting indeed Nick, good observation. That could very well happen and I for one would be headed to Scranton for a game or two to watch it up close.

]]> By: Rufus http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35057 Rufus Wed, 02 May 2007 17:52:30 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35057 If anyone predicted the Yanks would win a pennant with Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small being vital cogs or the Yanks would win without their 3 hitter (sheff) and 5 hitter (Matsui) they're dreaming. Baseball is unpredictable. And this team has too much heart to not win. Check out their come from behind W's this yr alone. If anyone predicted the Yanks would win a pennant with Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small being vital cogs or the Yanks would win without their 3 hitter (sheff) and 5 hitter (Matsui) they’re dreaming.

Baseball is unpredictable.

And this team has too much heart to not win. Check out their come from behind W’s this yr alone.

]]> By: Chris NY http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35053 Chris NY Wed, 02 May 2007 17:43:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35053 I see where you're coming from Randy, and I do agree they're getting screwed. I wonder how much Beckett got his WS MVP year... If they sat home, it definitely violates the contract. Yes, a contract is not something that makes you a slave under law. But it is, we will pay you this for this much AND we alone have the rights to your services. Sure, they could sit home and just not get paid. But of course they can be sued for doing so. I would think it would be more than a small portion of the signing bonus, but I guess that depends on how long they've been signed until they held out... Didn't JD Drew do this or was that right when he was drafted (refused to sign in the first place)? So I will admit, they do have the leverage of sitting home. But the team also has the leverage of owning the rights to their services. They can sit home, but the team can also refuse to let them out of their contract so they can go play somewhere else and get paid more, works both ways. I agree they should get paid more adequately, young stars in other sports get paid right away (a risk taken by teams in those sports, ex. a 1st round draft pick in the NFL will get paid, may not perform). But, If I'm a guy trying to prove myself worthy of staying in the big leagues, I'm not going to sit home and waste my talent. That's where things are different, minor leagues. You get drafted by the NFL, you're in the NFL, not the sub-NFL. You're in or you're out and your money is not usually gauranteed as it is in MLB. The Yankees also do offer very nice signing bonuses, under Cashman's mandate to go after young talent in the draft. Interesting topic though. I don't know what the right answer is on how to change things, but I don't think wasting a talent that is still developing is the right answer, no matter how good you are. I see where you’re coming from Randy, and I do agree they’re getting screwed. I wonder how much Beckett got his WS MVP year…

If they sat home, it definitely violates the contract. Yes, a contract is not something that makes you a slave under law. But it is, we will pay you this for this much AND we alone have the rights to your services. Sure, they could sit home and just not get paid. But of course they can be sued for doing so. I would think it would be more than a small portion of the signing bonus, but I guess that depends on how long they’ve been signed until they held out… Didn’t JD Drew do this or was that right when he was drafted (refused to sign in the first place)?

So I will admit, they do have the leverage of sitting home. But the team also has the leverage of owning the rights to their services. They can sit home, but the team can also refuse to let them out of their contract so they can go play somewhere else and get paid more, works both ways.

I agree they should get paid more adequately, young stars in other sports get paid right away (a risk taken by teams in those sports, ex. a 1st round draft pick in the NFL will get paid, may not perform). But, If I’m a guy trying to prove myself worthy of staying in the big leagues, I’m not going to sit home and waste my talent. That’s where things are different, minor leagues. You get drafted by the NFL, you’re in the NFL, not the sub-NFL. You’re in or you’re out and your money is not usually gauranteed as it is in MLB.

The Yankees also do offer very nice signing bonuses, under Cashman’s mandate to go after young talent in the draft.

Interesting topic though. I don’t know what the right answer is on how to change things, but I don’t think wasting a talent that is still developing is the right answer, no matter how good you are.

]]> By: Danny http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35051 Danny Wed, 02 May 2007 17:27:08 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/02/reflecting-on-a-wild-night/#comment-35051 Here's one point that I'll add in which this "might" actually be a benefit in the long run this season. Hughes will be out about 4-6 weeks which means 4-6 weeks of throwing no innings this year. In theory that means that he'll have more innings available to throw at the major league level since he wouldn't be pitching at Scranton either. If he ends up coming back in the end of June/beginning of July the Yanks probably won't have to worry about managing his innings like they would at this point. So he might still end up throwing the same amount of innings they originally intended in Triple A ... but just at the major league level without taxing his arm any more than they wanted to. Just a thought. Here’s one point that I’ll add in which this “might” actually be a benefit in the long run this season. Hughes will be out about 4-6 weeks which means 4-6 weeks of throwing no innings this year. In theory that means that he’ll have more innings available to throw at the major league level since he wouldn’t be pitching at Scranton either. If he ends up coming back in the end of June/beginning of July the Yanks probably won’t have to worry about managing his innings like they would at this point. So he might still end up throwing the same amount of innings they originally intended in Triple A … but just at the major league level without taxing his arm any more than they wanted to. Just a thought.

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