David Wells, moral arbiter
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Of all the stories written about Roger Clemens in recent days, the funniest quote came from David Wells.
Boomer doesn’t think Clemens should be able to come and go as he pleases when he’s not pitching.
“I don’t think I would ever do it because of the fact I personally think it would disrespect the team and your teammates,” Wells said. “You look at the other players. How are they going to respect you? What are they going to think if you’re not there pulling for the team?”
Right. Obviously being out of shape and drunk four days a week is a much better way to respect the team. Being so out of shape that you can’t pitch in the World Series, that also is a true tribute to teamwork.
Clearly we should all follow the lead set by Wells. I mean who is this Clemens character think he is? All he does is work out like an Army Ranger six days a week and throw 93-mph fastballs at the age of 44. What a clown.
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Ouch.
wells is a jackass. plain and simple.
i posted this in the other thread and i’m reposting it because i’d like to try and avoid the childishness that goes on here. if you’ve already read it, or don’t care to, then skip it.
i love that you’re a “troll� or a “clown� if you dare to suggest that, without rivera pitching effectively, the yankees are in trouble. i’d be willing to bet that, to a man, everyone in the yankee organization would tell you that, without rivera pitching effectively, they’re in trouble. i suppose that makes those guys clowns, too.
all we have to go on right now are facts.
fact: his ERA is 8.44
fact: he’s allowed 2 home runs through may 7. he allowed 3 all of last year.
fact: he’s allowed 10 runs through may 7. he allowed 15 all of last year.
fact: he’s throwing far less cutters and far more fastballs. the cutter is his best pitch, his trademark, and he’s going away from it. seems odd, don’t you think?
bringing up facts that contradict the “mo’s just fine,� party line doesn’t make one a troll or a red sox fan, it makes them observant. if you feel comfortable ignoring what’s happening to mo and this team, that’s fine. but don’t badmouth people who are intelligent enough to have noticed a change. it’s incredibly petulant to call people names simply because they had the gall to point out that rivera is struggling.
oh, and just so we’re clear, there’s no way papelbon’s shoulder holds up, but mo is fine? papelbon’s arm slot is down and velocity has decreased (even though he’s been automatic all but once so far this season), so he’s going to be injured. it’s inevitabel. mo, on the other hand, has posted an 8.44 ERA and been largely ineffective, but it’s a given that he’s fine? really? explain to me how that works again, please? use a little bit of common sense, guys.
at no point have i said “yankees suck!� or “papelbon rules!� or any of that annoying stuff. the fact is, the red sox are playing very well right now and the yankees need to win games to catch up with them because there’s absolutely NO WAY to guarantee that the red sox will come back to the back. you can cite history and papelbon’s shoulder and whatever else, but there’s no way to predict what the red sox will do. the yankees have had seasons where they were largely healthy the entire year. it happens. it could happen to the red sox this year. so, without knowing whether they’lll come back to the pack, that leaves the yankees in a position to have to sprint out and catch them. guess what? if mo isn’t mo, that’s not happening.
that’s pretty simple. being logical doesn’t make somebody a troll. being childish enough to call names because somebody had the nerve to suggest something that doesn’t jibe with your picture of how the season will turn out isn’t exactly the epitome of candor and intelligence. try and be reasonable, folks. nobody’s saying they’re done. largely, people like SJ44 and myself are making IF/THEN statements. “if rivera’s not healthy, they’re in big trouble.� looking through the posts, not a single person has made a convincing argument to the contrary. all anyone has said is “you’re a clown!� or “go find a red sox board!� or “mo will be fine.� to me, that’s the sign that people are searching for an argument, can’t find a leg to stand on, and result to namecalling.
Hey Kasey, what does your post have to do with David Wells?
Perhaps if Boomer could put up an ERA (6.03) equal to his listed playing weight (250) or nightly bar tab I would pay him any more attention than that redcoat SOB deserves.
I dont see anything wrong with saying “mo will be fine.” The only thing that concerns me is that he has pain that he is not telling somebody about. If he is all there health-wise, the blown games this season are flukes. Given the horrible start, its hard to say he is 100% healthy though.
Kasey is actually Redsox Fan who post on his blog Yankees vs. Sox Pathetic website..
He’s friend with Angel, Paul girlyman
Every time he has 4 days off he comes in a has little to no command of his pitches. That pitch to Beltre was 94 and had movement, but it was right down the middle.
Even Mo himself says he needs CONSISTANT WORK to have proper command of his pitches.
Mo has said it himself but they are not listening. He can’t sit around for 4 days and then pitch. He is not sharp when he sits around. Rigormortis sets in.
April 20th after 4 days off – 0.2 IP, 3 H, 2 ER
April 27th after 4 days off – 0.1 IP, 3 H, 4 ER
May 7th after 3 days off – 1IP, 1 H, 1 ER
If you saw Mariano’s reaction in the clubhouse and heard the whole thing it sounded as if he were less than completely enthused. He said something about “yeah I was out in the pen, yeah I think it’s good. (He said it with a rather subdued tone) I have a feeling it really burns his a$$ that Cashman flew all over the country and handed out that kind of money and wouldn’t even offer him a one year extension. I have a feeling this rubbed him the wrong way
I have a feeling that you haven’t seen enough Mariano interviews……..he always acts a bit odd when being questioned. After the way he has pitched to date, I see no way how he can question the Yankees for their decision not to give him an extension.
Kasey, I am not sure what your problem is. I just went over to Mark Feinsand’s Blog and there you were again, calling Mark a dude and laying down your Rivera shtick. And here you are again on a David Wells thread, with the story. Let’s wait a few weeks and then we will see.
How long until we see Fatman Wells join the celebrity boxing circuit?
I could do nothing but laugh at Wells’ comments. Uh….didnt he get a case of GOUT (aka lazy mans disease) at one point in his career????
I was listening to the XM morning show, and they were discussing, of course, Roger’s so-called “family plan” contract provision. Billy Ripken was on. First of all, in spite of the fact that Clemens has had this deal for 3 years with the Astros, they made it sound as if the Yankees created this thing. Then they talked about how it would create dissent on the team (in subtle ways, they suggested). They seemed to ignore the fact that had the Yankees not included this in the contract, there was no way Clemens would be coming to NY, whether he loves Jete and Torre or not. It was a deal-breaker, and it was the reason Clemens did not come to NY last year. The other two teams, both Boston and Houston, both said they would given him this deal.
Then, I think it was Billy Ripken who said, and I’m not kidding, what kind of an example does this set for the younger pitchers? They’ll think that one day they’ll be entitled to the same deal.
Well, my reaction to that statement was, if a couple of young pitchers are so influenced by Roger Clemens that by the time their 42, 43, 44, or 45, they have accummulated Roger’s statistics and had the kind of career he’s had, then, I guess they will be entitled to the same deal!
* by the time “they’re” not “their” 42, etc.
As for Wells… fat man in a little coaaat. I always found it amusing that him and whale Schilling were on the same team.
Doreen – how do you like XM? I am thinking about getting it.
Bottom line – if Clemens was as bad as Curt Schilling, he wouldn’t be getting a family plan.
Can we get back to the real purpose of this post…making fun of that tubby, gout infested loud mouth Wells.
No offense Joe, but who cares about Wells? He is washed up
People would be listening if he could accomplish anything right now aside from talking while he’s eating.
Russell –
I love it. Only problem is I only have it in the car, so I listen from 8:30 to 9:30 in the morning, and from 2:30 to 4:30 in the afternoon, when I drive my daughter to and from school.
In addition to the baseball station, which of course I love, there’s pretty much a station for everyone. My family loves Broadway music, so that’s tuned in a lot, but I was trying to study French and there’s a couple of French stations (Canadian French, though). And every type of music you could imagine.
If all you get it for is the baseball, it’s still well worth it.
I can’t even imagine how disgusting fatboy wells must look in those putrid padres uniforms that look like a twelve year old’s pajamas……..
David Wells lost all credibility when he was too out of shape to pitch in the post-season for his teammates.
Wells will always be one of my favorite Yankees. Always loved the attitude he brought to the pinstripes and it was nice to see somebody with that personality in a Yankee uniform.
God bless David Boomer Wells!
Great Wells quote “You can’t pull Fat”. Truer words have never been said in light of all these hamstring injuries.
I miss that fat guy!
I just saw an interview with the Rocket on ESPN about his return. I don’t know, something didn’t sit well with the golf course in the background and everything. There is something to be said for team chemistry. I think we need to be more concerned about MO and his 8.44 era, if that doesn’t change this aint gonna matter much.
If Wells says it’s a bad thing, there’s your confirmation that you are on the right path.
Dean Wormer: Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
the quote came from the wrong person, but hes got a point, i dont like this part about the lemens contract at all, i dont understand how his teammates will be able to look at him the same way when he keeps disappearing.
Hopefully he only goes home every so often and not on every road trip he can.
Peter, did you catch that Greg Maddux said the same thing? Whats your answer to that?
Russ
I’m just trying to highlight something we all seem to agree on…Wells is a fat idiot. I’m a uniter, not a divider.
Josh,
I don’t like the provision, either, BUT…sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If the Yankees weren’t desperate, I’m not so sure they would have acquiesced. Also, since Boston had already made it known they would give Roger this provision, I’m sure it counted for something that the Yankees did not want to lose Clemens to the Red Sox, especially with the way things are going right now.
Clemens in his press conference made it sound like his family circumstances had changed a bit, and that he might not need to be with his family as much. I don’t want to be naive here, but it sounded, anyway, like he planned on being around the team more than we might expect. At least I hope that’s the case.
Peter, weren’t you covering the Mets when Wells was a Yankee? Have you ever covered him? I doubt it. Do you you have the right to smear a guy on your site as being “drunk four days a week”?
Yeah, Wells is too heavy, and yeah, Wells killed the ‘03 World Series for the Yanks when his back locked up. But he was also an important part of the championship run, including having a brilliant year in 1998.
Calling someone an alcoholic — which is what saying someone is if they get drunk four days out of the week — is a serious accusation.
Why is it that if someone disagrees with you you attack them with personal insults?
Why not consider what he’s saying? If you don’t think SOME of the players resent the treatment Roger Clemens is getting, then you don’t know many human beings. You think Mike Mussina, at 38, wouldn’t want to skip road trips? You think A-Rod, the highest-paid player in the game and one of the best all-time players ever, wouldn’t like to make his own rules? I’m sure Mo, Giambi, Abreu, etc., would all love to have special rules for themselves — but they would never be selfish enough to ask for them.
And the Yankees wouldn’t break their code of “no one is bigger than the pinstripes” to accommodate them.
I’m sure no one dislikes or even cares that much about Clemens’ special treatment, but to say it’s not selfish and not unfair and not a complete turnaround from anything the Yankees have done before is preposterous. Wells might be a loudmouth and he might even be a total fool at times, but he’s at least partially right about this one — Clemens considers himself above the team.
Personally, I don’t care if a 45 year old future Hall of Famer doesn’t want to travel with the team. But I don’t know if I’d feel that way if I was an older player on that team.
“Kasey is actually Redsox Fan who post on his blog Yankees vs. Sox Pathetic website..”
i’ve never been to that blog. i post on pete’s and feinsand’s. that’s it.
the clemens family plan thing isn’t a big deal to me. if the players don’t care, or are at least willing to pretend they don’t care, then i don’t see the problem.
It goes to show you how far some will go for an anti-Yankee quote.
Boomer is now the “moral compass” of pitching for the Yankees! lol
A guy who stopped doing his back exercises in mid-season, put on weight, and couldn’t finish a WS game, is actually going to talk about what’s the “right thing to do” as a teammate?
Who cares what Roger Clemens does on his days off? What difference does it make WHERE he is, as long as he takes the ball every fifth day.
Honestly, its like some folks think this is little league.
Here’s the way I see it. If Joe Torre, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada don’t have a problem with it, which they don’t, I don’t have a problem with it.
They are the only people on this team whose opinions matter in this circumstance.
Its a non-story except for those who love hatin’ on the Yankees.
Wait, isn’t this the same David Wells who Jerry Colangelo accused of reneging on an oral agreement to sign with the Diamondbacks, and who claimed in his autobiography that he was hungover when he pitched his perfect game? And I seem to remember this same Mr. Wells wearing Babe Ruth’s cap while pitching a game.
He is a fine example to everyone.
The anti-Clemens arguments seem as manufactured as on-air sports radio can be. Clemens is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time and the Yankees need him. If anyone can get away with special treatment, it’s Clemens, and the Yankees aren’t even the first team to give it to him. What else is there to say?
I haven’t seen a single fan on this site criticize the Clemens signing, and we like to criticize. That should pretty much resolve the “issue.”
The beauty of blogs is that you are exposed to different opinions. Kasey has been posting here longer than most of us and his take makes this a more interesting place. He is a Yankee fan. He just looks at the team differently than others might. I believe Mariano will be fine, but Kasey is right: If he’s not we are in trouble.
what makes this more humorous coming out of Wells’ mouth is that Boomer has bragged about how he pitched while drunk
A 4 year old could of told me that if Mo is not fine we are in trouble.
About Wells. Don’t hate, he was a key cog late stage of the Dynasty. 2003 his back gave out, he’s no Carla though.
I don’t think anyone really takes seriously what Wells has to say anymore, although I appreciate what he did for us, it is becoming more evident as time goes on what a joke this guy is.
i don’t care about Clemen’s special arrangements. to sit here and pretend that Clemens isn’t a special player with special circumstances is silly.
the guy is one of the 5 best pitchers in history. he is 44. he can’t pitch a full season anymore.
if he couldn’t go home to his family, he would retire. it’s that simple.
either you let him or he retires. it’s as simple as that. the yanks need him much more than he needs the yanks. he has the skills, therefore he has all the leverage.
David Wells may or may not be a hypocrite but so what? His criticism either has merit or it doesn’t. In this case, I think his point carries some validity.
Who really thinks Clemens won’t be around the team daily? What guy wants to spend time with his wife and kids and nagging and crap?
Wells is entitled to his opinion. i think he’s more bitter that the yanks have no use for him anymore.
if Wells was in our rotation this year, doubt you would here even a peep from him regarding Clemens and what he does not offdays.
Baseball is it’s own politics.
WWDWD
It’s the way I live my life…
Didn’t he get slapped around extremely late nigh by some midget while he was with the Yanks? Yeah, that was respecting the team and the game, Boomer.
“yeah, Wells killed the ‘03 World Series for the Yanks when his back locked up.”
That’s all that matters and it over-shadows all the good things he did while he was here before that. He whined and complained when Clemens and Pettitte were being praised because of their workout ethic. He couldn’t take the spotlight being on his *teammates* instead of him, so he made comments about how fat he was and how he didn’t need to work out, mocked them… then his fat out of shape a$$ blew the WORLD SERIES.
Ignoring that and praising him for anything he did before hand is ridiculous. Maybe Hertz should give OJ another shot in commercials becuase he was such a loveable guy before he butchered his wife……..
I don’t think so, saucy, he was whining in the press his last year here too, including about Clemens and Pettitte, and that was the year his book came out with his fat naked backside on the cover. Yeah, because THAT is the “Yankee way.”
I would think the logistics involved with your family being in Houston and your home stadium being in NY are going to lessen his time away from the team to begin with. It’s one thing to stay home in Houston when the team leaves for a roadtrip because you can just catch them in a few days. It’s another to fly to Texas when the team goes somewhere else, then fly up to Toronto or wherever to catch up with them.
Stormy I dont think Peter is saying anything about Wells’ drinking that Wells himself didnt say. he waqs the one who said he was hungover when he pitched his perfect game.
Well is a drunk Pete didnt make it up Wells himself has admitted it many times
I cannot believe how many people are bitching about the Clemens deal here. For months all everyone wanted was Clemens to the Yankees. Now it is done and everyone wants to complain about the money (who cares, it is George’s money and he has proven he will spend what is necessary), and the “family clause”. I really don’t think he will use that clause very much, if at all. But if he does, he does. The arguement that the other players would like the same deal is rediculous. The starting pitchers are the only ones it would work for anyway. You think that Jeter is going to take off 3 or 4 days to go spend time with his family? Or Arod might want to take a few days off to play poker or sunbathe? Give me a break. Just be happy that you got what you wanted all along–Clemens.
As for Wells, ever heard the term “sour grapes”?
And Mo will be ok. Just get him in 3 or 4 games per week and all will be fine.
Stormy–
Pete isnt saying anything that Wells himself has not said himself on many occasions and in many interviews. it is weird that you think that if Pete says something negative about certain players he has an agenda.
Wells is a fat slob who I partially blame for the Yankees losing the World Series in 2003 to Florida. Sure, Beckett was lights out and our offense was anemic, but Wells’s inability to stay in shape and put his team first led to his obese backside tromping down the steps and in to the clubhouse when we needed him most.
Having said that, I will not even put his name in the same sentence as Roger Clemens. Rocket is a model of excellence in terms of being a team player and staying in the best shape possible. If veterans on the team agreed that it was okay he stay home on road trips in which he doesn’t pitch, then what is the problem?
Wells just being Wells. He has a point, and I think that Stormy makes a good point which leads me to wonder how, if at all, Roger is going to have the “under the radar” impact I hope he will on people like Hughes, DeSalve, Rasner, T Clip or anyone of the other young guns they may bring up over the season?
It’s a good point, and Wells stating the obvious is not so shocking nor inappropriate. Having someone on the team with their own rules leaves plenty of room open for resentment and tension.
And, the comments regarding Wells being “dunk four days a week” and “fat,” I am sure that even David would chuckle it off. I’ll never forget the good he brought to the team, regardless of the 2003 WS.
Let me clarify.
I meant to say that given Rocket being absent from road trips on which he does not pitch, I wonder how, if at all, Roger is going to have the “under the radar� impact I hope he will on people like Hughes, DeSalvo, Rasner, T Clip or anyone of the other young guns they may bring up over the season?
Here’s a thought – Michael Kay’s outrage over the “family plan” on his radio show yesterday was as overly-dramatic as was Susan W’s “Jesus has saved us” reaction to Clemens’ announcement during the game. What do they have in common? They’re both *NERDS*.
L’Angelo Misterioso, considering he’s never done this with the Yankees, we really don’t know yet how often Clemens will or will not be with the team on days he’s not pitching. He now has 2 or 3 cities to worry about instead of 1 or 2, depending on whether the Yankees are home and away, plus Houston. I travel for a living every week, not 2 or 3 cities a week like these guys do, but every week… and I can tell you that while you may get used to the traveling to a degree, it’s still a pain in the a$$ and most of the time you don’t want to inflict it upon yourself any more than you need to….
As far as I’ve understood his situation, he doesn’t travel on roadtrips where he’s not pitching. But if he is pitching during the roadtrip, I don’t think that means he’s only there for that day and gone from the team the rest. I think the thought that he will spend exactly 1 day every 5 days with the team is way off from the reality of how he did it with Houston and even more so now that his home stadium is 1200 miles or so from Houston. We really don’t know how he’ll do it, so should stop reacting as if the team will never see the guy.
Global Warming: I really couldn’t agree with you more. It’s amazing that seemingly uninformed hatred that plain inaccurate statements being tossed around about Wells. He never said he pitched drunk. He said he pitched hungover. He was at a SNL wrap party that night before. He pitched a gem of a game. Who cares if he was hungover? Not me. And Wells, the same guy who pitched to about a 2.50 ERA that postseason blew the 1998 WS? Talk about revisionist history. The fact that the Yankees couldn’t hit their way out of a paper bag that series blew it, not Wells coming out of a game with a 1-0 lead after the 1st inning in Game 5. Wells was fat and out of shape. So what. He’s had a damn successful 20-year career while being fat and out of shape. No one has absolutely any idea that him being fat and out of shape is what made him come out of that game. He has a bad back people. While I’m sure his shape didn’t help that, it very well might have had nothing at all to do with it locking up that day. I know a lot of people in very good shape that have bad backs. It’s a fact. One thing doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the other. And the fact is, Boomer was a big game pitcher with the heart of a lion. Do any of you people badmouthing him even realize how important a cog he was in the ‘98 season? Clemens wishes that he had Wells’ post-game nerves and numbers. This team needs another SP, and Clemens was surely the best available and can help this team. But the same people slamming Wells to try and support Clemens are probably the same bandwaggoners who killed A-Rod to try and support Jeter. It’s illogical, and moreso unfounded.
I did not hear what Michael Kay had to say on his radio program yesterday. I am really surprised that he was outraged. He sure didn’t seem that way on Sunday when the announcement was made. What did he say?
And did Suzyn Waldman really make that statement? Man, that was a little bit over the top, doncha think? Also, I don’t think Jesus plays favorites.
He’s just a big jealous crybaby.
I guess Clemens came out of Game 1 of the 2005 World Series with a bad hamstring after only 2 innings because he is a fat out of shape piece of garbage too? I mean, Clemens has had a lot of leg strains throughout his career. That surely must be why Houston lost that year. Be serious, or at least informed.
I give up. Kasey claims he is fan but he acts like a troll.
Doreen, Kay wouldn’t let it go and kept saying it was the only part of the deal he didn’t like, but he REALLY didn’t like it and came off sounding a bit entitled, I thought.
Susan W didn’t say that actual quote, but the way she was acting you’d have thought the Rocket was in fact Jesus Christ himself…
Ahhh, Steve, Clemens gets strains because he’s a power pitcher whose power comes from his LEGS, thus it’s only natural that there’s some *strain* there…..
Are you saying wells BACK problems are a result of his drawing his power from his back? Not his massive GUT pulling down on his body as he throws the ball? He bragged about being fat and out of shape, then he couldn’t pitch because of it.
Good logic. Perhaps you should consider being a bit informed yourself. That game was the turning point of the WS that year, so yes, he deserves the blame of the loss as much as anyone.