Game 39: Yankees at White Sox
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- May
- 17
Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Abreu RF
Jeter SS
Giambi DH
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Mientkiewicz 1B
DeSalvo (1-0, 1.98)
WHITE SOX
Erstad 1B
Ozuna 3B
Pierzynski C
Dye RF
Konerko DH
Mackowiak LF
Uribe SS
Sweeney CF
Iguchi 2B
Garland RHP (2-2, 3.44)
Pregame chatter: Chien-Ming Wang has been ruled out for Sunday. Joe Torre didn’t say who would get the start but indications are it’ll be LHP Chase Wright. … Jason Giambi (sore heel) can DH but he won’t be playing 1B at Shea Stadium this weeekend, at least for the first two games. … Melky is staying in the lineup thanks to his big game last night and, to some degree, Johnny Damon’s sore right calf. Torre said he liked the energy Cabrera had last night. … Scott Proctor is back on the roster, his suspension having finished.
Good idea from one of the readers, let’s make this the in-game thread. I will post any updates I have on this post. That way all the comments can stay together.
I’ll take any other suggestions but this seems like a good idea to me. Thanks.
UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: As several readers pointed out, Tyler Clippard was pulled from his AAA start after one inning today. It appears Clippard is the choice to start on Sunday against the Mets.
UPDATE, 3:35 p.m.: Jeter and Posada have extended their hitting streaks to 12 games. It is a career-best for Posada. … Fans here applauded with the scoreboard updated with the Mets coming from behind in the ninth inning to stun the Cubs. Lou Piniella is 18-21, just like Joe Torre will be if the Yankees fail to rally.
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Looks like Clippard is getting the call for Sunday night.
Hopefully Chase does better than his last Sunday night appearance and DeSalvo can continue his strong pitching this afternoon. I personally like holding off on Wang ‘til the Boston series since we can gain more ground playing them. Lets get 2 of 3 in ChiTown this afternoon.
It looks like Clippard is getting the shot as he was pulled after striking out the side after 1 inning of work! I am excited to see Clippard get a shot.
Clip was pulled after 1 inning and 3K’s today so it looks like he’ll probably be starting Sunday.
Congrats to T-Clip. Hope he, once again, proves everyone wrong.
Personally, I wish you’d keep the blog the old way. I go to your site to read what YOU have to say and rarely read the threads.
Does anyone know what the deal is with Dellin Betances and when the team he’s playing for starts playing?
“Personally, I wish you’d keep the blog the old way.”
i agree. not broke, don’t fix. it seems people just say what they need to in the most recent post regardless…
plus it’s kind of easier for my finger on the scrolling wheel when there’s less than 250 responses…
I have to agree with Bob there
I don’t want to be a neg-head, because I think the yanks are going to get it together soon, but I am really ticked that Joe is putting Abreu in the leadoff spot again. Aside from yesterday’s first game, he hasn’t hit a lick and isn’t even making productive outs or drawing walks. I’d rather see Melky in the leadoff spot as he looks to be heating up.
Bobby Abreu is not the guy I want setting the tone for our lineup. He should be buried at the bottom until he gets it together.
Prove me wrong Bobby!
I like keeping Melky in the line up. Anyone else think the whitesox were being very passive on the bases with him out in center field? It looked like there were a lot of fly balls they didn’t tag up on, that they might have if Johny was out there. Anyone else get that vibe?
Hey Pete, keep it the old way, I like the mutiple subjects.
I can work my “Joe must go” comments into each one. Thanks.
Isn’t it time to promote Mr. Kennedy…Kennedy to AA? He struck out 11 and allowed two hits through 6 and 2/3 on Tuesday! He’s now 4-1 with a 1.43 ERA and 47 k’s in 47 IP’s.
“It looked like there were a lot of fly balls they didn’t tag up on, that they might have if Johny was out there. Anyone else get that vibe?”
absolutely
I agree with Bob, too. That way I can avoid reading “Joe must go” comments.
Pete, I like the idea of you commenting on here, then I don’t have to keep checking for your updates. Avid readers of this blog (and the comments) should all like that idea. Thanks for being flexible, it’s the right thing to do.
I agree with Bob as well. You are award winning with the way it was, don’t change it now.
Pete – It’s your blog and you can do what you want to. I like your idea, maybe it will cut down on the ‘chit chat bloggers’posts every second during the game.
Does Torre actually think batting Abreu 1st will take him out of his slump? Batting leadoff in the second game yesterday he went 1-5 w/3 K’s. It also seems as though its really time for Damon and/or Giambi to get consecutive days off or be placed on the DL. The lineup is strained and their bench can’t buy a hit. Hopefully DeSalvo continues his fantastic beginning and gets some run support.
Whatever changes Pete decides to make works in the end. It’s gold Jerry, just gold!
Is Clippard injured or starting this weekend?
I mean I’ll post updates within the post, not in the comments.
graet idea pete
I like it this way. We don’t have to see Doom & Gloom’s reposts of his predictions on how many games back we’ll by the end of the night.
John Sterling, just said that Giambi will be playing first at Shea, because, the Yankees don’t want to lose his bat.
Once again: realism=/=doom and gloom. Funny how they seem to go hand and hand lately though.
Patrick it wouldnt be the first time Sterling has been confused
I think Jason lost his bat about 25 at bats ago, as far as I can tell.
Realist, he’s entitled to his opinion. I just thought it was bad netiquette to repost. I may be wrong.
Sounds good Pete.
Joe must go!
Torre is not the only one that liked they energy he saw with Melky. Plus, I was laughing my butt off seeing him making muscleman poses in the dugout. Good to see him having some fun, as it may help him not press at that plate now. Hopefully last night was a turning point for him.
Hopefully today isnt the day the yankees learn desalvo isnt really that great
Well – he just walked their worst hitter – hopefully he gets it back soon…
This could be a long day for Matty, or a short day depending how you look at it. They may have to use Rasner if this keeps up.
29 Pitches in the 1st. I think Torre just called the pen and got Proctor up.
They are giving Arod absolutely nothing to hit the last 2 weeks. No wonder he is slumping.
The Yankees need to be patient at the plate (cough..Cano) Garland’s control is off with a wee bit help from the ump.
I was hoping Clippard would get the start. It’s making use of an opportunity to see how he does in the majors.
Also, 11 different starting pitchers might be a new record for this early in the season.
rasner will not come in out of the pen, isn’t he pitching saturday???
if he pitches Saturday 3 rookies in 4 games…
Us readers had the advantage of listening to YES tell us that Clippard was probably going to be the choice. :p
These rookies pitch as well as our “veteran” Moose….and they whine less.
Peter – maybe you could have that be one of your polls.
whether the in-game thread should be the one with the lineup’s, or if we should have it be whatever thread ends up being designated by us.
a suggestion.
doesn’t matter to me… I’m game whichever way.
At least Robinson Cano-t hit.
About time the Yankee Clippard got a shot.
My lineup would be Damon,Jeter,Giambi,ARod,Matsui,Posada,Abreu,Phelps,Cano
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, it’s not a done deal that it is him, for one thing, a rainout Saturday changes that.
what kind of changes can we anticipate in order to get Clippard and later Clemens on the 40-man roster?
Can they change Mientkiewicz’s swing so that he gets more singles and the like? He makes contact but flies out too much because he swings for power he doesn’t have. Is this possible?
know what would be cool?
if the yankees can take one of these hitter counts (3-1, 2-0) and actually hit the ball hard somewhere.
Whats up with these guys?
Forget Boston. Let’s be positive and go for the wildcard!!!
Okay? So what’s going on with Cleveland? Cleveland has won! What already? 2-0 against Minn.
What?... we’ll be out of the wildcard by another game by the end of the day once we lose this one today? What will that be? 7 out in the wildcard?
Well that’s not very positive…is it?
but hey….we have to go play the 1st place Mets next!!!
That’s not very positive either…they’re going to smoke us.
I can’t find anything positive. Can I root for the Mets this weekend instead, just for fun to make me feel all happy inside because I have no life and like to sit on a board all day bitch’in about Moose?
Sox up 2-1 in the
This is shaping up to be another offensive beauty for the Yankees.
Game Over!
dye just homered!!
its over!!
3-0: Chicago on a homer by Dye. Hey 1 out of 3 in Chicago isn’t so bad. Hey at least we didn’t get swept?
That’s Positive
Do you really think this team is going to go to the dugout and think, “OK lets play hard now. We have to win!”? Do you think anyone in that dugout is going to turn to anyone else and say “Wake the F—- up?! We need to stop this sinking ship now!”? No. It won’t happen. We’re getting no-hit—-Again!
The yankees suck so much this year,and they put in ZERO effort. bunch of overpaid losers who could care less about the fans.
I will not be watching anymore games until they decide to at least try. The yankees will get demolished by the mets and the red sox will embarass us at home again next week
That’s very positive, Postive Yankee Fan!
Good job! Finding something positive today!!!!
I feel this board turning around already!!!!!
Only 4th inning but still… Garland pitching no-hitter. Surprised!!!
3rd inning!
Lose today, lose 2 of 3 vs Mets and Sox and Torre is gone before Clemens arrives.
Dead Ledge Jumpers. Normally 3 runs to make up in 6 innings is not anything to give up over. Stick with the team ok, enjoy the wins, the subplots, the discussion, but just remember that what you do in your own life is much more important than getting worked up over a game. Anyway, I’ll call it right now, Yankees comeback, win 8-5.
Looks like you won’t be watching anymore games this year Mr. Yeah, because nothing’s going to change this year. Already somebody on the team is bitch’in about Roger’s Excellent Vacation!
LOL we get no-hit into the 4th every other game now it seems.
That is so pathetic. I really want this team to pull out of it but everyday it is the same thing.
This is getting tiresome, but yet I still waste time and money going to games, watching games, listening to games. They really need to turn this around
bye bye desalvo, 2 out 3 good starst, not bad, take the bus back to scranton
i hope your right Jeff NJ, i don’t consider it a waste of time or money, i just need to vent now and then
Losing early. get ready for the Quitters/Seasons Over Brigade to make their run thru here.
This just in!: Torre warms Vizcaino, concedes game in the 3rd.
Hey Jeff NJ. We’re not doing anything with our lives, that’s why we’re on this stupid board crying about a last place team!
I don’t get it – is this the pulse of “Yankees Nation”? Do the majority of fans complain this much, or is it just the majority of online fans? I don’t live in the area anymore so I don’t know. But reading these posts is like listening to Sox fans on EEI (not this year – yet). It’s so depressing.
I know, I should stop reading the comments, but I just can’t.
uh, hey Red Sox fan, the Yankees haven’t been in last place in about 10 days.
Let me be the first then in the Brigade to say:
The season’s over! 7 out in the wild card. Forget the division! Sox are 3 out from putting us 9 behind!
Whoops! You caught me Jeffy NJ
Give yourself a few days, you’ll be there in no time! Just jumped the gun!
Sorry about that!
Ex-Yankee Fan? As much as I complain about this team it is so typical of this team to have EX-fans. This stretch is really going to test a lot of so-called “fans” loyalty to this team and I am not shocked in the least that suddenly everyone is a Mets fan.
finally!! a hit!!
albeit a soft liner…
yay arod!!
Personally I would rather the Yanks be slumming in May and get hot in July, August and September, then be hot in May and lose steam later in the summer (as I predict/hope the Sox will do). I am refusing to give up hope in May…
ONCE AGAIN A-ROD saved us from being no-hit this game. Needs to be pointed out, A-Rod haters!
Sorry meant to write “slumping”
What to go Godzilla!
Double play!
Brooke,
HaHa, Freudian slip? “slumming”
Mel –
Yeah I thought the same thing when I re-read it…
Brooke that’s a great idea! We’ll get real HOT in July when were 20 games out!
That makes sense!
I will go out on a limb and say that Kevin Long will not be around much longer.
this team has been horrible to watch this year.. so much talent, so many failures
PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE GONE:
1. Matsui
2. Damon
3. Giambi
4. Farnsworth
5. Vizcaino
6. Cairo
7. Nieves
8. Abreu is on thin ice
9. Proctor is a run an inning guy who is also on thin ice
That’s about a 1/3 of the team. PROBLEM.
10. Torre
meanwhile JULIAN F****** TAVAREZ shuts down the Tigers…..the season is becoming surreal-
Boston can simply do nothing wrong-everything Theo touches turns to gold….What I want to know is how a 30 year old back up catcher who has one hit this season manages to actually play for THE NEW YORK YANKEES. I can catch a ball too!
maybe i’m missing something by not actually being able to watch the game on tv (watching from MLB Gameday)... but with 76 pitches in the 4th, WHY did Torre take out DeSalvo, and WHY, WHY, WHY would he bring in Vizcaino with runners in scoring position?
anyone see what happened on that last play?
not even 70 pitches. he had em with 2 outs. i really think this is what kills the confidence of pitchers. at least give them a chance to get out of the jam.
he really does manage every game like its game 7. no room for error.
Because Joe has to use his entire bench right before The Mets and Sox!
The game is over Joe, let DeSalvo give you 6 innings.
I know that we have a long way to climb, but we are doing better. We are by no means great, but this is what it means to “suffer with your team” (a trait many other fans have accused Yankee fans of never having to do, and why so many Yankee fans are considered “bandwagon”). To give up on your team in May is simply not fair.
Because he has thrown in the towel.
We can be out 9.5 after today.
Tavarez stinks and shuts down the Tigers?!
Papelbon in the 9th!
1-2-3 down and out!
Sox win 2-1.
Schill goes tonight!
9 1/2 out by the end of the night!
Here’s what you’re looking at next week:
Wakefield on Monday!
Beckett on Tuesday!
Schill on Wednesday!
We’ll give you a day off from Dice-K (2-0 against the Stanks this year)
You have to hand it to Red Sox ownership. That’s quite a foursome! Oh and Tavaras pitched 7 today. Okie did his thang in the 8th! Paps like clockwork in the 9th!
what a mess.
But, you know, we’re only most of the way through May. I really can’t see Boston going on any kind of long losing stretch anytime soon with that rotation (you know, the one that isn’t as good as ours), so the Yankees HAVE to start playing better.
It’s getting disgusting.
What next? It’s only June? It’s only the All-Star break? It’s only fourteen games?
C’Mon. This is terrible.
I am so sick of watching this terrible fly ball pitcher, Vizcaino. He is such a bum.
And what the hell is with Joe Torre using him in spots where he will definitely give up a sac fly and definitely give up the RBI? He isn’t very useful and his control is the worst.
By no means am i killing the team or Joe but the above is true…he really needs to try and stretch some of these younger guys on the mound.
wow vizcaino allows an inherited runner to score…..you don’t see that everyd….uh, oh wait.
At least Arod is showing the leather lately….he looks good in the field this year.
If you were a Yankee pitcher getting pulled with men left in scoring position, who is the last pitcher you would want to see come running in from the bullpen?
Oh my, you should tune into the Met game they have a big comeback going in the ninth.
This would be icing on my cake today.
Cubbies got to shut this one down, or else there will be some serious differential in momentum going into the weekend series.
“This would be icing on my cake today.”
In a bad way!
LOL mel.
LUIS VIZCAINO.
But to be frank, only Bruney and Rivera have any trust these days. Sometimes Myers but rarely. The bullpen is such a glaring hole in itself.
Ironically enough Bruney is not in Torre’s circle of trust but bottom of the barrel crap that blows games for us IS.
This team is absolutely gross to watch.
wow an unproductive at bat by Cano….you don’t see that everyda…..oh, my bad again
god does cano ever suck, if this continues the yankees should look at trading cano, rodriguez and abreu for some prospects
It is OVER.
Is it NOW OVER?? Jesus can we call a time of death on this season now?
There is no way this season isn’t over.
9.5….....
Now would be a great time for Abreu to get out of his slump…
At least…at least…I am not a Cubs fan. Blew the 4-run lead in the ninth, Mets win 6-5.
Lou, good luck with alllll THAT.
Terrible,
I don’t know, Bruney might be moving up. I think Farnsy will be in the outhouse after his running his mouth on the radio.
mets just finished the comeback… amazing finish.
wow the mets just won the game in the bottom of the ninth…
Over!!!?
Nothing is over until we say it is???Was it over when the Germans bombed Peral Harbor?
Germans?
He’s on a roll…...
Well, so much for that plan…
Unbelievable. Our hottest hitter rips a leadoff double, and who are the next 4 guys who have the task to reel him in? Slumpers Anonymous.
prediction
Viz gives up 2 more runs this inning on 3 walks…..
I am now taking nominations for items to smash. I don’t think the season is over, by any means, but lately watching the Yankees is death by a thousand cuts. Extremely frustrating for a guy who grew up in the Munson era—there is absolutely no desire or passion in this team.
Matt – I almost smashed my work computer so I know how you are feeling. This is VERY frustrating.
Guys, guys, guys—
4 innings left. It’s not over today yet. Admittedly, it doesn’t look great, but it could happen.
Wow, i just read each thread on here for the past two hours and it is fairly evident that Yankees fans are downright angry with the team.
Anyone have a solution?
I remember the A’s being down quite a few games on the Angels a few years back only to win 20 some odd straight games and get the wild card.
But I am done with the “its only _” BS.
One bright spot of the day is watching Uribe strike out on the high fastball for the 3rd time today.
i just smashed my little radio into my drawer in my desk. radio is broken. back to mlb gamecast for me
I bet Roger Clemens is looking for an opt-out in his contract RIGHT NOW.
yummmy!!!!crow.
The solution is to start hitting the ball again and especially when there are runners in scoring position. Also, a rare gooding inning for Vizcaino.
Doreen:
For me at least it’s not about one potential win in a game in mid-May. It’s how the Yankees look doing it, and right now, not only do the Yankees not seem like a team capable of coming back, they don’t seem like a team at all.
I’m not a big believer in curses, but if the Yankees don’t snap out of this funk I’m going to believe there’s one going on here. Right now it’s a tie between Steve Phillips predicting the Yankees will win it all prediction and the Mariano/Jackie Robinson curse.
Is it me or are there just 2 guys on the team Jeter and Posada?
Hey, talk about the “old” team.
Matt, you put it very well.
I hate to get down on them, but they look like robots in an assembly line only they aren’t manufacturing the product.
Larry:
Part of my anger is ROI-based. Being a Yankees fan right now is like buying an $80,000 BMW and having to bring it to the shop every three months. You know you have the potential to enjoy such a thing, but its performance belies its cost. There’s the indirect cost of salaries, but those costs are directly passed through to you and I by various means: $15 parking, $7 beers, $80 tickets…
If we strand another leadoff double…
This team is BAD. Matsui blows it again!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Matsui again
You have GOT to be kidding me!
matt… so continue that statement… (we all knew it was inevitable)
It’s safe to say that this season is over. Mets and Sox next 6? We’ll be lucky to get 1 game there.
Mel:
You raise an interesting point. I feel that the 2007 Yankees had higher expectations than did the Yankees teams of the past 5 years—for many reasons. I myself thought they were due for a monster year, which is sort of true depending on how you’re defining “monster.” This season is more like Cookie Monster than Godzilla.
And right on cue. Strand those runners! Thanks Hideki. Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Is that all Matsui can ever do?
This team quit. Time for me to as well.
See you all in 2008.
Godzilla kills another rally with another double play!
The Mets are going to take this comeback victory right into the weekend!
Also, for those just watching on GameDay: How is it possible to “single on a soft pop up” to the 2nd baseman (A-Rod)? Anybody seen it?
The Yankees need this win in the worse way, and this would be their biggest win of the season, yet they are playing like a last place team.
I can’t believe I spend three horus of my day watching a $200M team lose like they do. It’s just pathetic. It’s boring to watch a bunch of overpaid men lose game after game after game. All the talent in the world, but yet they are doing nothing with it.
Yea, im stopping for the season too. Boston won, Mets came back with 5 in the 9th. Going to be 9 games back. Cya in 08
Matt, I think Steinbrenner would agree.
I am going to two games next week and am starting to wonder why I blew the money…then again, its probably my last shot to see Yankee Stadium.
I bought MLB.TV online this season for the first time and if you want to talk about an ROI, I lack one. I bought it to watch Yankee games, not Yankee rapings.
What Yankee team didn’t have championship aspirations/expectations the past 10 years?
Matsui gets one more AB in the 9th, I feel another roller to an infielder coming.
The hat-trick of DP’s, you gotta love that.
you know, normally i like john sterling. but when the yankees start to suck this badly, his announcing style almost starts to lean in favor of the opposition. you can tell he’s disgusted with the team, but he gets that smug matter-of-fact “see i knew they were going to blow it” tone in his voice and i just want to smack the shit out of him.
that last inning ending DP was maddening. and i didnt need him to rub it in…
Sox took the first part of the DH with Tavarez on the mound, Mets had a huge comeback in the ninth to beat the Cubbies. Yanks flat and dull…this sucks.
Ronnie!
This team has the most talent in the major leagues and we KEEP STRANDING RUNNERS IN SCORING POSITION!
It doesnt matter HOW MANY OUTS! We ALWAYS find a way to screw it up! Bases loaded, no outs, we’d find a way to strike out three times in a row against Tim Wakefield. We’re either having terrible luck or this team is just terrible altogether.
Trade everyone.
Strange stats in this game. Matsui has left 5 men on base and it’s the sixth inning. Garland has walked 4 and given up 4 hits and still has the shutout.
This season is so frustrating, I’m even sick of Michael Kay.
First off, get a new HR call. “See ya!” is played out and old. I also hate your voice and you say dumb things.
Finally, it’s no longer 2006. Why can’t I have that job?
The Yankees and Mets are the exact opposite right now!
Ron Villone! He will turn this season around, and lift the curse he put on the Yankees!
Ahem…One can only hope…
shut up all you whiners.. you loved Matsui last night.. if you want to give up do, and leave us alone..
UGH and other whiners leave , we will not miss you..
spoiled brats..
it is ridiculous to read one stupid post after another…
if the games are too expensive I have a solution don’t go….
I certainly have a lot more room up here on the bandwagon right now with all of the people jumping off. It is getting frustrating but I will stay on the bandwagon. This team has too much ability to not reel off a nice stretch at some point.
you know, normally i like john sterling. but when the yankees start to suck this badly, his announcing style almost starts to lean in favor of the opposition. you can tell he’s disgusted with the team, but he gets that smug matter-of-fact “see i knew they were going to blow it” tone in his voice and i just want to smack the sh*t out of him.
that last inning ending DP was maddening. and i didnt need him to rub it in…
Sox took the first part of the DH with Tavarez on the mound, Mets had a huge comeback in the ninth to beat the Cubbies. Yanks flat and dull…this sucks.
what makes all of this so frustrating is that you get the distinct feeling that most of the players care a hell of alot less than we do.
and as a random aside…everyone always prattles on about what a “warrior” damon is for playing through injuries..i think thats crap. the main reason he’s always injured is that he does NOTHING to keep himself in shape and shows up overweight and inflexible every single year. and the older he gets, the more its effecting his play.
They need to get into groove and they haven’t done that yet. They will, starting tomorrow
Drew:
I think I can safely say that there are few, if any, “bandwagon” Yankees fans here. Most of us are probably like me. My grandfather used to go watch Ruth and Gehrig, my dad went to watch DiMaggio and Mantle, and I went to watch Munson and Rivers. This is the first time in over a decade that I’m watching a Yankees team that lacks heart and spirit. It’s obvious to anyone that watches.
I don’t think calling a spade a spade merits such backlash.
stuart, wake up. Please. This team is soulless and playing like garbage. I will not leave for telling the truth. You leave for being naive.
Drew and Stuart,
Who said anything about jumping off? I think you two are only two people in this thread who don’t see how terrible they are right now.
Be as optimistic as you like, its a good thing, but don’t call people whiners and bandwagoners for pointing out the obvious.
What you guys who are saying ‘oh we’re due to go on a run!’ are not getting is that by the time they go on a run, it might not matter. The Red Sox are facing Chris Durbin tonight with Schilling on the mound. There’s a good chance the Yankees are 9.5-10 games out after tonight if they don’t man up in the 7, 8, and 9th to score 5R.
I’m trying real hard not to give up on this team but they’re not giving me any reason.
At this point, the target isn’t the Red Sox. The target is playing better to get in the position to compete for the wild card.
I always get the feeling that all the other managers out there when looking at the Yankees team, laugh and say they wish they had the chance to manage the team.
ITS TIME TO GO JOE!
The biggest problem I see with this year’s team is that lately they don’t seem to be able to come from behind. Once a team has a lead, it is almost like everyone gives up, including us. We only seem to be able to score runs when we have an early lead. This is getting to be very frustrating.
You know, there are alot of people who seem to magically disappear every time they are winning, and are back when they are losing.
When the pitching finally gets sorted settled, the bats disappear into a funk. So frustrating.
Way to go, Ronnie Villone!
Seriously, Drew and Stuart, your attempts to taint our anger and make us leave will only lead to further complaints.
Like Matt, there are plenty of us die-hards in here who should point out how terrible the team looks and how disprited they come off.
I can only hope that at least 2 or 3 of them read this thread and it lights a fire under their under-achieving, heartless backsides.
This of course leaves exception to Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, and Alex Rodriguez.
This team has no chemistry and no desire.
The Quitters Brigade comes out in full force during the games when they are losing. They are like a plague.
Quit now folks. Don’t worry. The bandwagon may have spots on it when they right this ship.
Larry –
In my opinion, I also think Wang should be excepted from the “under-achieving” status, as well as Bruney. That said, I do agree that the rest of the team, especially the bats are definately under-achieving.
Mo: I pinpointed their flaws last night as well.
Brooke:
True, especially because the pitching staff has been giving them a chance to come back in late innings.
In April, it was the arms.
In May, it is the bats.
What of June? The mind boggles.
I am as ticked as anybody about how things are going right now but I am directing my “bandwagon” comments at those who are saying that they are done until ‘08 not the majority of those who are venting about the DP machine that our offense has turned into this afternoon. I think we will go on a nice run at some point, just hopefully we aren’t buried by the time it happens.
Be angry. You should be very dissapointed. But if you want to give up on a season that is 1/8 of the way complete, you are a bandwaggoner, fair and simple.
Hopefully by June we have them both???? One can only hope. At this point, I just keep rooting for more than .500… Maybe interleague play will help???
Jake, this bandwagon BS is null.
This has nothing to do with wavering as a fan. Do you think Brewers fans have jumped off the bandwagon and rejoined it this year?
They have blown for the past 10 years and any fan will tell you how terrible they were.
So why shouldn’t we tell the Yankees how terrible they are when they play like the Brewers have in the past 10 years?
Matt –
Hopefully by June we can have them both (of course then maybe our fielding will fall apart… j/k). I am hoping interleague play will help us get back on track.
I cannot see how anyone that calls themself a Yankee fan would quit on May 17th. No matter how bad things look.
It’s just beyond me. Good riddance to you Quitters.
Sorry – i didn’t think they posted my earlier comment. Anyway, good on Cano for his triple.
If this were a a young team and losing it would be a different story. There would be at least some hope for the fututre and interest in watching them. But you all honestly want to spend 3 hours a day watching these overpayed washed up heartless assholes playing like all they care about is cashing their paychecks?
This is like watching the 1994 Mets. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol. Jeter and Minky the 2 most clutch hitters with runners in scoring position.
A team that doesn’t hit looks listless, looks like they don’t care. But my question is: Do they? A lot of you say they don’t care, they don’t play hard. Even Tino said it. So there may be truth to it. But what specific evidence is there, in your minds? I don’t think trying really hard is going to ensure that you get hits. Do you see players not running hard? Not focusing? What exactly do you have in mind when you say this? (I’m not suggesting anyone’s wrong if they think this—I just want to have a better idea what it’s based on, other than that they look like shit—and they certainly DO look like shit.)
Curiously,
Steve
http://sharpie-productions.blogspot.com
Mike and Drew,
Well put.
People should vent and get angry but never give up this early with the hopes that things will look up in 2008.
Having said that, THE YANKEES ARE THE WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL…right now
You know you’re in trouble when Minky has the only RBI on the day.
Well, folks at least we averted another shut out. It is nice to see Minky and Cano finally perform. Hopefully next inning our top of the order can come up big.
Did anyone just see that phenomenon occur?
Yes, Robinson Can-ot Hit actually CAN HIT…about once in every 5 at bats.
I’d really love to get this game today though. To have a decent trip and get ready for war in the next six games.
I hope they right the ship, I’m still a fan (isnt bandwagon for yankee fans moving over to shea), but they are putrid.
Nice job by Minky, that guy is not the problem. Again, Matsui still has a chance for that hat trick.
One nice game doesn’t mean guys are out their slump. Abreu didnt light it up in both games yesterday. Today hes horrible.
A few guys are constatnly hurt. Boston is winning games 2-1 when that nut job starts.
Say what you want, but it doesnt look good at all.
Nowhere did anyone say they were quitting.
Stating the obvious is NOT the same as jumping off the “wagon”.
Time to clean house!
I’m actually excited about that. At least the “it’s only May” or “we’ll make a run” crowd is for the most part absent. It’s hard to listen to that when you see a soulless team taking the field. Like J.Tull said, we are pointing out the obvious.
It’s just too bad that Yankees management still has long-term (5+ years on older players) contracts and no-trade clauses with some of these players.
I’m ready for Giambi to go, I’m ready for Damon to go (the Sox management got it right with Pedro, Johnny, and Nomar). Matsui can finish out his contract as far as I’m concerned. Abreu should go.
Somebody posted about Clemens leaving the Yanks. That is entirely possible. He wants to be on a contending team.
So be it. There’s no need for him if we are too far out in June. Hell, trade him if you can.
C’mon people, obviously the Yanks are sucking right now. But, school is not even out, It’s not even summer yet, Pavano is only on his first injury of the year…. My point is the season is very, very young. It’s just like Boston to get excited in May.
[Sorry if this posts twice; it didn’t seem to go through the first time]
A team that doesn’t hit looks listless, looks like they don’t care. But my question is: Do they? A lot of you say they don’t care, they don’t play hard. Even Tino said it. So there may be truth to it. But what specific evidence is there, in your minds? I don’t think trying really hard is going to ensure that you get hits. Do you see players not running hard? Not focusing? What exactly do you have in mind when you say this? (I’m not suggesting anyone’s wrong if they think this—I just want to have a better idea what it’s based on, other than that they look terrible—and they certainly DO look terrible.)
Curiously,
Steve
http://sharpie-productions.blogspot.com
Just quit the whining…
The biggest question mark I have is the style of play that Joe never adjusts. Team isn’t hitting well, maybe he should start runners more? Maybe stop bating Abreu at the top of the lineup (I mean, not only is he not hitting nor walking, but he’s not even taking pitches! 4 plate appearances, 14 pitches seen, no hits or walks or good swings…c’mon!)
Brooke, just because Cano got a hit today doesn’t mean he is “performing”. Very few Yankees are actually performing and since it baseball is a team game, those few Yankees who are performing (though it does provide some light) have their performances made null by the constant losing.
But I do appreciate Cano’s hit, hopefully it will start something.
Jake,
You bring up a good point. What are the fans most angry about:
a) They’re playing really bad baseball.
b) They’re losing.
c) They’re 8.5 out in AL East
d) They’re 5.5 out of Wild Card
e) All the big bats have gone silent
What I’m trying to say is if we were playing the same way, had the same record, but were only 1 game back in the division would there be this sense of panic?
Hey Giambi jump started his Yankee career with a homer off the White Sox in the 9th on a rainy night in June to start a big winning streak for the Yanks. Ya never know what can happen against the White Sox this year. Big inning here, i’m calling it.
Steve:
It’s quite simple. Success = Talent + Effort.
One can make up for lack of talent with superior effort, but if one has superior talent and a lack of effort, one will fail more often than one will succeed.
The current Yankee team has SO much talent that the current doldrums cannot be attributed, in my mind, to anything but a lack of effort.
And that is UNACCEPTABLE from professionals, especially professionals who are paid obscene amounts of money. As a sports fan, that’s my biggest pet peeve.
I still say they should DL Giambi—he’s going to be less than worthless in the Mets series, and he clearly needs at least rest, if not surgery—and bring someone else up. Maybe DH Phelps, and DH Posada when Nieves catches (why is that guy on the New York Yankees?!).
UGH –
Earlier (at 3:41) you posted
“Is it NOW OVER?? Jesus can we call a time of death on this season now?There is no way this season isn’t over.9.5….....”
At least two other posters have called it a season by saying: “Is that all Matsui can ever do? This team quit. Time for me to as well. See you all in 2008.” and “Yea, im stopping for the season too. Boston won, Mets came back with 5 in the 9th. Going to be 9 games back. Cya in 08.”
None of these quotes are “stating the obvious”. All of them are saying they were quitting…
UGH, if you read through the thread I do believe you will find several posts of people that said they are don until ‘08. We are at the 1/4 mark of the season and playing like crap. We have 75% of the season to turn things around. Have we dug a huge hole, yes. But as far as the wild card goes, a majority of the competition will be from the Central teams who will beat the crap out of each other and give each other a fair amount of losses. If we start playing decent it is far too early to throw in the towel.
I think the yanks will lose 6-5 with mo blowing it in the ninth 2 run walk off after a nice comeback this inning
SP,
Giambi has a contract through next year. Damon/Matsui through 09. Who is going to take all these players off our hands. Do you think a team will just say “hey we’ll take all the bad contracts off your hands so you can sign younger, more productive players” Get real
Steve, I don’t think any of us know the players personally so it is probably a gut feeling. I think the idea behind this is that they are sucking SO bad and are usually SO good that the only viable reason for their poor play is that they aren’t trying as hard as they could.
I like what ? mark posted. Why not shake it up a bit, start runners, bunt, hit and run, suicide squeeze, bean guys in the head to make statements, etc. I love Joe and haven’t given up on him or anyone else, but he doesn’t seem to be making any changes short of benching guys and shifting around the batting order.
If I were Joe Torre, I would have mandatory extra BP every morning, afternoon, and night (after each game). Mighty Ducks style like Gordon Bombay. Yes, I know, that movie sucked.
Larry –
It is funny that you pointed that out, because I actually edited my post to read “finally perform” instead of “finally performing.” Because there is no argument that he is not “performing” but in that at-bat he did perform. Hopefully it will start something.
the yanks are slumping. it happens in baseball. this squad seems to slump together and when they slump everyone tries to hit the ball 500 feet instead of moving runners after lead off doubles and stuff like that. they’ll come out of it and then it’ll only be june. papelbon’s arm will off in late july, drew will hit the 60 day with a bee sting, and schilling will murder a japanese press guy. yanks will make a move maybe and they’ll catch up in august. just you watch.
Matt,
You may be right, but I’m not sure. I think that’s more true in sports like football, basketball, hockey, soccer. But baseball is so much about timing and finesse. When A-Rod sucked last year, people said he was trying TOO hard. Maybe they’re not preparing well enough, watching video, studying the pitchers, I don’t know. I wonder if Pete has any sense of that. But I think other things than just talent and effort equate to success in baseball. I WISH it was just effort—that might be more easily correctable. What do others of you think, who say they’re not putting in the effort and don’t care?
Drew I haven’t thrown in the towel but this is hard to watch. I pray for better but I also know better.
It sounds like people like me are being faulted on here for caring too much about the team. I can handle that.
Well, at least Matsui is off the hook for the GIDP trifecta. I wonder how many times that’s happened before.
jj,
where are they gonna ge tanother 4 runs from?
“borrow” them from the mets…??
the sox may get another couple but this offense seems done for the day…
and boom as i said that the top 8 is done.
Villone looked decent.
Its Proctor time!
i wouldn’t be suprised if torre got fired soon’
Ugh you are fool as I stated earlier. Obviously the Yanks are playing bad they are 3 games below 500.. So you do not have to be a professor to figure that out, but when you have your hissy fit nonsense that is the problem.
all is not lost, guys will play to there norms most of the time. they will not have 7 of 10 hitters produce at 20%OR GREATER below there norms for a whole year.
it is not that complicated they are in a funk. Abreu is 33 not 40, cano is 24 in his 3rd season, etc.. they will be who they are generally speaking by the end of the season so shut UP …
Brooke: It may be over but I’m still watching. As a fan there is always that hope but let’s live in reality here.
I came up with the worst possible way to lose and went with it because that is this team in a nutshell.
Nick:
As I said earlier, the bullpen is holding the door open for the bats lately, but the bats don’t wanna go through.
Just for kicks, the Palehose closer hasn’t pitched in awhile. Wonder if that makes him more effective, or like Mariano, less so.
Nick B,
First of all, your tone sucks. Second, nobody’s gonna take them off our hands. No kidding. I said I’m ready for them to go, but I know that’s not gonna happen. I was saying I’ve had enough of them.
P.S. I WANT Matsui to play out his contract.
stuart, I never said anything about Cano. I know about his upside but he still isn’t doing his job. Plain and simple so please fu-k off.
I am not asking you not to live in reality. There is no doubt that today is not a fun game. However, having said that, you were the one who claimed that you were just stating facts and that nobody ever said they were quitting. I was just helpfully pointing out that you did, in fact, state you were quitting.
Marc:
I like to call it “Proctology.” One way or another, there will be soreness.
thank you, i’ll be here all week…don’t forget to tip your waitress.
UGH, I’m not faulting those who care too much about the team because I fall into that category, or the people critical of the slumping performance of some current players because they are right on. I am only faulting those quoted on this board today as saying they are quitting on the season, and there are several people who have said they are bailing until ‘08.
The comments that the team isn’t playing hard enough are still nonsense. They are always phrased in sweeping generalities because no one can point to any specific instances of slacking off.
Obviously, Posada, Jeter, and ARod are having terrific seasons by anyone’s standards. Matsui is doing fine with a .400 OBP. Giambi is underperforming but is hurt, and still has a .393 OBP.
That leaves Damon, Melky, Mientkiewicz, Cano, and Abreu. Damon is hurt. Melky was never that good to begin with. Mientkiewicz is hailed as a hero whenever he gets on base because expectations for him were so low. Most importantly, none of these guys is ever known not to play hard.
The only two players on that list who have no real excuse for playing so poorly are Cano and Abreu. Even assuming, based on no evidence whatsoever, that their awful slumps are due to not playing hard, we are now saying that 2 players in the lineup are not playing hard.
Despite all the slacking and mailing it in, the Yankees are still #1 in the league in runs scored. But apparently, if the Yankees were trying hard, we’d be ahead of the rest of the teams by 100 runs or something.
I can’t think of a single pitcher currently on the team who can be accused of not giving it his all in every appearance.
The “not playing hard” comments don’t make sense, and the only reason we see them is because they’re so easy to write and they save observers the trouble of having to come up with original critiques of the team.
UCG at least you can speel that word, but you still are a whining probably 20 yr old pimply fool so you f off.
you have been watching baseball the last 11 years since you were 9 and you do not realize they play other teams and it is not the Yankees birthrite to win everygame..
sorry child…good day..
UGH at least you can spell that word, but you still are a whining probably 20 yr old pimply fool so you f off.
you have been watching baseball the last 11 years since you were 9 and you do not realize they play other teams and it is not the Yankees birthrite to win everygame..
sorry child…good day..
Well, the good news is that the team is playing so poorly that I’m actually starting to look forward to those Throat Cancer commercials on YES.
I predict Matsui will hit into a double play here with no one on base, thus ensuring his place in Cooperstown.
It is over. Over over over over over over.
It will take a miracle for the Yanks to take even one of the next six games. They look like they don’t even want to play.
SP,
I want Johan Santana and Jake Peavy. I’m sick of people saying lets get rid of X or lets get rid of Y. Either say how you think the team can get rid of them or don’t say anything. I could post “I like ice cream” all day long on here but its not really doing anyone any good.
Matt,
The pen has been looking good. The bats gotta come around, thats why I am not in total freak out mode like 80% of the people on here. Pete made a good point, most hitters over the course of the season return to there averages. So a lot of people will eventually do better and I’m sure Jorge and Derek may go through a little slide.
No, Brooke. Incorrect.
A team can be done and not be a playoff team but I can still follow the team and not quit.
It’s funny. Things are going really well in my life. I just got offered a great new job with a significant pay increase, I have a great b/f, my family is doing really well, and I still let this team ruin my happiness. I am not kidding. When they lose, my entire day is shot, and when they win, I am in a great mood. Aye – I think I need therepy.
Every fan should read Jeremy’s post before trying another the sky is falling post.
You aren’t very bright stuart. Nowhere did I say anything was a birthright. But when a team has a $200 million dollar payroll and they were playoff caliber and now were are playing like this?? Umm, yeah the expectations were different for obvious reasons and these performances are way off. Give me a break.
Learn to deal with criticism and try watching in the process.
Awful. No effort in this game. 15 men left on. Granted, the Chisox left 15 on as well…but they won.
If someone can give me a good reason to believe this team has it in them for a “tear” this summer, go right ahead. These guys look more interested in going home than doing their jobs.
And I don’t give Jeter a free pass because he’s hitting .360. He’s the captain, and his job is to go in that clubhouse and spark this team. If he can’t do that, then he’s as useful a captain as Alexei Yashin.
Nothin is goin to get fixed quickly. Gotta start winning a few series and go from there. Even if they go on a 10 game streak they will probably only pick up 4 or 5 from the Sox and thats b/c it would include a 3 game sweep. Any other 10 day stretch they may only pick up 2 to 3 if they win all 10 so its going to be a challenge but they have to inch back. Listen to the Pacino speech from Any Given Sunday and lets hope they turn this around.
DeSalvo did not pitch well, but the bullpen did a very good job today.
If Giambi cannot hit for power, he should be on the DL. Not that there’s anyone around who could take his place and supply the missing power.
I guess it’s just going to be these series of fits and starts until the offense gets going, but they’ve got a tough stretch of games ahead.
Paul O’Neill said on the broadcast that while it’s not accurate to say whether the team is playing hard or has the desire or whatever, he felt that right now, anyway, the Yankees do not seem to have the attitude that they’re going to win. But I think it goes beyond that, to the corollary to that statement—opposing teams no long thing they’re going to lose to the Yankees.
I don’t know what, besides a great game, can change that attitude. I think the Yankees look a little shell-shocked – they are truly not used to being this position. They are surprised they are losing. They need to use this, and not give in to it, in my opinion.
Listen, you don’t need to win the division. Not the end of world. What did the Braves get out of winning the division (besides 1995)? Get the wild card, that’s fine with me. I think Cashman needs to do a small shakeup w/ the bench. Add some youth.
You got to wonder if his brother’s poor health is all that is keeping Torre from being fired.
What is the clubhouse like Peter?
Are they just sulking around or is anyone showing any anger or anything?
c) They’re 8.5 out in AL East
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make it nine. possible nine and a half later tonight. Hey, it’s only almost June!
I think you can reasonably expect that Abreu and Cano will turn it around at least somewhat this season. But I think Giambi is about to hit a rapid decline. My guess is he’s hitting around .220 by the end of June, and his contract next year will be an enormous albatross.
Unless I suddenly become unemployed not a chance I can read through 236 replies, although I did manage to finish Moby Dick in a relatively short time. Oh and yeah, good for Farnsworth to speak his mind. I may have to start liking him a bit.
I think Detroit will win tonight.
However, 9 GB is a serious hole. Sure, in 2005 the Yankees record was worse, but they were only 4 or 5 GB of BALTIMORE with that record. Everyone in the division was inept. This year, they have a better % than 05, but are double the GB, double the hole, to a team that won’t falter like Baltimore did.
Nick B,
I’d hoped you wouldn’t tell anybody how to post or what to say or what should be said. But if you are going down that route, i’ll say stop being an ass. How ‘bout that, good sir?
I want Ichiro. Are we cool now? Prick…
TO ALL
Apparently if somebody has 3 years left, you can’t say “I want them gone”, according to MC Nick B.
Losing is a disease…
...as contagious as syphilis.
Losing is a disease…
...as contagious as bubonic plague…
... attacking one…
... but infecting all.
But curable.
Now, I want you to imagine…
...you are on a ship at sea…
...on a vast ocean
...gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
This team needs a flippin attitude adjustment. Those in a slump should go out tonight, get really drunk and do what players have always done to get out of slumps. Keep it G rated people, but you know what I mean.
Too bad they can’t bring back the High Test Coffee.
All these teams aren’t going to stay hot. Be it Boston or some teams in the wild card race, if all these teams were constant through the whole season we might as well pack it up now. Not just the Yanks, all of baseball. I refuse to give up on a season like that. However, I do concede that something needs to happen. Playing like this won’t allow you to make up ground on anyone.
Why Joe isn’t getting fired? Remember what Clemens said? How many players want to play for the Yankees because of Torre? It’s not that bad managing is causing Abreu, Cano, Cabrera, A-Rod (although some balls fell in for him today) to slump. That’s a big part of the problem. You should have a line-up that wears down pitchers. Up and down the line-up. But with 3 guys slumping in there (this way, it gets harder for A-Rod to get anything to hit as well), you can’t do that. We always seem to lack just that bit extra to compensate for the other current weaknesses of the team. A-Rod’s April? Pitching gave up more games than anything else. Jeter & Posada hitting in May, with solid starts? Slumping guys cannot hit with RISP. Contrast with Boston: when they weren’t hitting in April, their pitching was outstanding. Last couple of weeks, a couple of rough outings from the starters: hitters claw their way back into the game, late-innings. Those games already account for about half of our deficit now.
Oh well. Nothing to do but go to sleep and hope for a better tomorrow.
“tonyb” – That is the quote of the day!
I feel sympathetic toward that guy with throat cancer, but
c’mon! hearing that mechanical monotone every half inning is annoying!
Wow…it’s just baseball guys. Yeah, it sucks they’re losing. But, to let a yankee loss ruin your day when you have other stuff going on, come on. That’s just crazy, get your priorities straight and move on. You’ve seen your team make 12 consecutive playoff appearances, including 6 pennants and 4 world series championships. I don’t think fans of any other teams can say the same. The future also looks excellent with some of these young pitchers they’ve got, most of which are probably a few years away. But, even if they fail to make the playoffs this year. We’ve all witnessed a great run and another one is likely right around the corner with some of these mammoth contracts expiring and the great youth in the system. Be excited about it and realize there is more to life then baseball.
Well, we have won 3 titles in the last 10 years. That is reassuring…......right?
Come on guys, the season ain’t over and its not like its going to take us 86 years to win it all again.
There is more to life than baseball??
Says you.
Maybe football. Hockey playoffs. Basketball playoffs. But thats about it.
Roy Hobbs wouldn’t be a bad person to knock some life into this team. Maybe he’s a pitcher in this version and his name is Clemens.
The next 12 games are really important. All good teams. Good pitching. A ton at home. It starts tomorrow. You know Andy will throw a good one. Can a few bats chip in?
Would consecutive extra base hits hurt anyone???
Thanks Lathamjoe.
I’m just trying to lighten the mood here, but it’s a tough assignment. I just don’t know what to think of the team at this point, because our troubles seem to be systemic.
We need a dramatic galvanizing event against the Mets or the Sox this week to change the team’s energy and make them believe they can win every day. One big come from behind victory (a walk off would be nice) could turn around the bats. A brawl could work too, or divine intervention. The first two would be easier to accomplish of course. When in doubt – BRAWL! (just kidding)
This team is much better than this, and that is why you have to believe they are going to turn it around. Whether it is too late is up for debate, but I don’t think so.
YES JAKE!
I love the way you think!
Andy is the MAN and we brought him here to lead!
The Mets can eat my rotten, stanky feces.
If you call this leading, he is not doing a very good job.