Game 44: Red Sox at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on May 22, 2007 
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UPDATE 10:14 p.m.: The four hits the Yankees have going into the ninth inning matches their fewest of the season.
UPDATE 10:05 p.m.: That was the first run the Yankees scored against Hideki Okajima this season. He had a 5 3 0 0 2 7 line against the Yankees before tonight.
UPDATE 9:20 p.m.: In two starts against the Yankees this season, Julian Tavarez has held them to five runs and six hits in 10.2 innings. If Boston holds on, Tavarez will be 2-0 against the Yankees. That’s just dreadful. He is 1-4, 5.63 in his other six starts.
UPDATE 8:55 p.m.: I’m generally a Manny Ramirez defender. My brother-in-law Dave the Red Sox Fan hates Manny and thinks he’s a dog. But I think his offense makes up for his antics. There are times you wonder what the guy is thinking, however. He just flew to center, fairly deep. He walked four steps out of the box – walked – then turned around as Damon caught it. It shouldn’t be too much to ask a player to job to first.
But then you have to consider this:
Career home runs against the Yankees: Jimmie Foxx 70, Ted Williams 62, Hank Greenberg 53. Carl Yastrzemski 52, Manny Ramirez 51. The first four of those cats are Hall of Famers.
Meanwhile the Moose has retired nine in a row since Lowell homered. Now it’s up to the offense to take advantage of the still being in this game.
UPDATE 8:05 p.m.: Getting no-hit by a bat-shattering Julian Tavarez through three innings was not on the menu tonight. The Yankees have yet to take a decent swing off the guy. Meanwhile Mike Mussina has allowed eight hits and can’t throw his off-speed stuff for strikes with any consistency. His fastball is also in the 88-89 range, not the 91-92 it was two weeks ago. I suspect we could see Matt DeSalvo in relief if this keeps up with the Moose.
Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Matsui LF
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Abreu RF
Giambi DH
Cano 2B
Mientkiewicz 1B
Mussina RHP (2-2, 5.64)
RED SOX
Lugo SS
Youkilis 1B
Ortiz DH
Ramirez LF
Drew RF
Lowell 3B
Varitek C
Crisp CF
Pedroia 2B
Tavarez RHP (2-4, 5.59)
Pregame chatter: Still no word on the fate of Carl Pavano as Brian Cashman has not make himself available to the media. … Alex Rodriguez is 4 of his last 12 with three homers and four RBI. … Yankees offense last three games: 36 of 108 (.333), 19 runs, 14 walks, 17 extra-base hits. … Bobby Abreu is 9 of 26 against Tavarez with three doubles and three homers. … Posada is 4 of 6 with three doubles.
Who cares about Pavano, continuing pitching with the youngsters from the minors. Pavano is trash and let him pitch on another team. It’s time to move on.
With Matsui batting third I expected to see his name in your list of batters with great stats against Tavarez.
Why bat Giambi 7th after his upper deck jimmy jack yesterday?
It’s not like Giambi is swinging a hot bat.
Maybe they’re trying to get some better pitches for Bobby to hit? Nobody wants to walk a guy in front of Giambi, especially with the short porch.
They really need something from Moose tonight.
I like Giambi batting down in the order.
We’ve been using this lineup since game 3 of the mets series. We are on a 2 game win streak with this lineup .. we aren’t going to change it just because giambi homered yesterday.
I don’t think we lose much by having Giambi lower in the order, because the guys in front of him (Jorge and Abreu) are on base machines, so he’ll still have plenty of ducks on the pond.
this game is on mussina, i expect our offense to hammer tavarez but if moose pulls his “i had more than 4 days off” routine then we can kiss him goodbye for the rest of the year
Why are you expecting info from Cashman on Pavano’s fate?
Anthony, I agree, don’t mess with what’s hot right now
Call it a hunch but I have a feeling the Yankees are going to score a lot of runs today.
tavarez is going to throw at someone tonight, most likely arod unfortunately moose is on the mound and will not retaliate ….
I agree with Anthony. It has worked for a few days so why change it. Not much has worked to this point, so now that we have found something that has at least in the short term worked lets stick with it. Hopefully we light up Tavarez. Last time we faced him at the Stadium we made him look like an all-star. Hopefully we don’t find ourselves down in the 8th in that stretch of lefties between the 6 hole in the leadoff spot facing Okajima. Thats the only thing that concerns me with the lineup.
I dont understand why cash would void giambis contract – not only is Giambi once again going to hit 35 plus homers and have an obp over 400 but no free agent will want to come to the team that voided a huge contract due to technicalities.
I dont even get this whole giambi comment thing. Didnt Giambi already admit to a grand jury that he took preformance enhancing drugs? What does it matter if he says he took steroids two yrs later to the daily news or whoever interviewed him. We all already knew he took them – i dont get what the big deal is. Im sure Im missing something here but whatever it is voiding his contract is ridiculous and absolutely retarded. I hope cash pulls his head out of his behind and finds a way to void pavanos contract – the biggest blunder of cashman or any GMs career and not Giambis – one of the superstars on our team that helps us every yr. Come on cash do something right for once!
keep rollin’
When you look at this lineup – you realize how important a right handed hitting first baseman was to us during the off season. This is not an endorsement for Helton- I dont want that contract for a mid 30 yr old which will just be a wieght on our foot in two yrs and I want Teixera but it would have been really nice if cash signed one of those right handed hitting first baseman in the off season. There was like six of them that he past on. Fire cashman now. Ok thats it for the cashman bashing tonight. I have had my fill.
Giambi isnt getting voided,suspended or traded.All this talk is BS
Dave, I agree with you completely regarding The Giambino and Pavano. Just keep him off the field, he’ll stay healthy and be one of the best DHs in the league.
Tavarez will pitch well tonight. All Red Sox scrubs seem to do well against us. I think we should be very careful underestimating him. I suspect he pitches a good game, 3ER’s in 6 1/3 Innings, so the key is Moose putting up zeroes with quick innings. It is time for the real Moose to shut up and step up.
Let’s get number 3 in a row tonight. Go Yankees!
Ed, an announcement has been expected this week regarding Pavano and his recent battery of “doctor visits”. If I recall correctly, word was put out at the end of last week that it was coming.
Jeff, on a team that has been on fire, Tavarez is 2-4 with a 5.59 ERA. I understand what you are saying about not taking him lightly, but I don’t expect him to be as fortunate over 6 1/3 against this Yankee lineup that is starting to heat up at long last. Two weeks ago perhaps, but not when our guys are getting into their groove.
Five lefties in a row (Abreu to Damon) — Okinawa (or whatever his name is) is likely to make an appearance, possibly in a big spot. Let’s hope he does not shut us down again.
Thanks Wolf. I suspect we’ll find out he’s still “injured” … Heh
Pete – Any word on the Angels interest in Giambi? ESPN was running with the Post (or Daily News??) rumor. Stoneman’s notoriously frugal when it comes to dealing prospects. If talks get serious – the Yanks should eat $10 mill and get some good young players in return.
As for Pavano – does it matter at this point? Even if one doctor says he can pitch… he’s not going to… we know that… you can write it in blood – he’s pitched his last game as a Yankee.
Good riddance Carl. Now that’s a contract worth voiding!
Who is this PAVANO guy everyone keeps talking about?
When will the game begin?
Lugo’s better out after 8 pitches…
JoeysdadJoe –
Sometimes it’s just fun to talk about the what’if’s and maybe’s, even if there’s little possibility of their actually happening.
Enjoy the game everyone.
Giambi’s contract is horrible, I figure we’d would have to eat so much of it to make any trade not worth it. I agree that Giambi is a great asset when he’s healthy, the problems are just that (a) he’s a DH, making him useless when he’s not hitting, and (b) his health isn’t so dependanble, which makes him a worse hitter. I doubt we can do more than hope for the best and enjoy his upper deck shots.
Bottom line, if Giambi keeps giving us ~155 OPS+ seasons (as he did over the last two years), he’s very valuable to us, even if he’s still overpaid.
what a loser mussina is, get this bum off the team and ship him back to baltimore he is a born loser
I knew that would happen. Manny being Manny. I hate to say it, but man, what a team.
FU Moose
What’s his excuse tonight? Isn’t he on 4 days rest?
……
The Curse of Moose?
Nice one Mike, talk about a momentum-STOP.
Geez. We need to beat up on Tavarez, and fast.
Maybe Moose needs 10 day rest…
“it would have been really nice if cash signed one of those right handed hitting first baseman in the off season. There was like six of them that he past on”
He got Josh Phelps of the 111 OPS+ from the Rule V draft.
Who are these guys he should have signed? Shea Hillenbrand, a complete jackass trying to turn the Angels into an NL team by hitting worse than most pitchers?
I would have liked Craig Wilson to get another shot, but he’s already been released by the Braves after sucking even worse than he did for us.
Sooo, ummm… who else was there?
pavano >>>> mussina
Looks like our offense has their work cut out for them. That is, if Moose gets them off the field any time soon. Sheesh. Ugly.
you just know that the yankees are gonna get manhandled by tavarez now that mussina has lost the game already for us.
when clemens joins the team the yankees should look at going with a 4 man rotation whenever possible and skipping mussina’s turn he has LOST IT.
when hughes gets back i would even look into keeping clippard on the staff and putting mussina in the pen for mop up relief
31 pitches and down 3-zip to get out of 1st inning – this is going to be a very long night…
Get Tyler from the Times up, what was his pitch count this morning
At least he kept it at 3 runs. Hopefully he can settle in and come up with 4 or 5 good innings now. Our offense should be able to get us back in the game.
“At least he kept it at 3 runs. Hopefully he can settle in and come up with 4 or 5 good innings now. Our offense should be able to get us back in the game.”
You are kidding, right?
there’s something about tavarez that irritates me intensely, can’t describe quite what.
a propos of nothing, what’s happened to kasey, pete?
i miss his negativity.
ok they go up and inside at Jeter, can we please do that to them
Pete, Pete, you kidding? Who cares for Pavano´s fate? Better read the Dan Shaughnessy´s today column at The Globe so you feel some real heat…
after tonights game, ou may not need kasey to hear negativity on this blog.
Okay so why can’t we hit Freddy Kruger?
Holy moly! Is he going to blame this on too much rest!?!
Corsari, let’s hope that you are right about this…
hope mussina finds his pitches or its going to be a long night.
So far the yanks aren’t doing much against a 5.45 era goat like tavarez.
wow – that was pathetic. 16 pitches. 3 up. 3 down.
Really simple with Mussina.
When his fastball is 88-90 mph he is going to be good.
When he is throwing 86mph he gets hit hard.
Tonight = case in point
moose is pathetic tonight. Desalvo? where are you?
mussina is the drew bledsoe of baseball, he has an excuse for everything he does.
in between innings hes in the back writing up a detailed response as to why its not his fault he gets demolished every start.
good to see our pathetic offense decided to show up again today against one of the worst pitchers in baseball
yep yep yep this hurts. you notice that it can only hurt this early when the yankees have been doing so poorly. normally id be like oh yanks lineup.. early in the game… tavarez is no babe ruth… but darn. i have a bad feeling about this game
when the pitch is down, it’s waaaaay down.
when it’s in the strike zone, it’s right at belt level. He’s lucky that was pedroia batting, if it was papi, the ball would be in yellow stone right now.
whew
he really needed that DP
Good job, Moose.
It was a good decision that Torre have Wanger pitched yesterday’s 1st game in series instead of having Moose…
lucky/good inning – 8 pitches. made up for his 31 pitch first inning… almost.
hopefully, it’s a sign of his settling down some. Regaining his composure. Let’s hope it lasts.
c’mon arod – get us back in this.
We need a-rod’s bomb right now…
Give him a shot more. Looks like he´s looking better. By the other side, Tavarez is not a guy with enough heat to doom Yanks. Just wait a bit and see…
Mussina is garbage. Trade him if the Yankees want ANY chance.
Paolo, so am I. But he threw a strong 2nd inning (3 softly hit balls on only 8 pitches) and he’s got the experience to turn it around.
“good to see our pathetic offense decided to show up again today against one of the worst pitchers in baseball”
Yeah-
Er, there’s only been one inning, right?
rats – i hopefully, people will start getting some better looks at Tavarez and start something.
Lugo is a wife-beater. Remember Tampa…
I agree, corsary
I love these people who say mike is garbage.
I guess they were asleep last year. I can’t locate all the stats from last year, but I know he was in the top 3 in era. Yep he’s terrible.
er, that inning wasn’t much better. Another 3 up 3 down. Bottom of the order next inning – maybe Cano can start something. I’m hoping that the second time through the order will be a back breaker for Tavarez…. hope.
Meat of the Sawz lineup for moose now. This will be the story teller for the game I think. Pap-smear, Manny, and Nancy.
someone needs to bean pap in the back or elbow. I’m not condoning purposeful hitting, but no one has ever made papi uncomfortable in the box.
i sense double play coming up.
Corsari, I start to see your point…
When looking at Julain Tavarez, just keep on remembering he said he wanted to be an adult film star when he was younger….
feeling better about moose – if only a little.
49 pitches now with 3IP… Moose may be able to give us six…
Kyle,
What do you think there were no right handed hitting first baseman on the free agent market that cash could have gotten who are better hitters than Mienky and better fielders than phelps? There are even a bunch that would have taken a one or two yr deals so that we can just use them this yr and next and then, pick up teixera in the following off season.
Lets see: 1. Frank thomas (a little expensive but a power righty in the middle of the lineup who signed a two yr contract hit 270 with 39 homers cant really play the field tho,) 2. Nomar Garciaparra (highly versatile right handed power hitter who plays a good first base – 992 FP and signed a one yr deal hit 300 with 20 homers last yr,) Rich Aurilia ( Cheap – signed a one yr 1.4 million contract and hit 300 with 23 homers last yr can play every infield position and has a career 994 FP at first) Kevin Millar ( a career 286 hitter and averages 19 homers per yr who can play four positions and has a career 994 FP at first. one yr 2.7 million contract) Even mark loretta would have been a better signing than this tandem wasting two roster spots, Why dont u do ur research before opening your mouth about things you obviously dont have a clue about – i cant believe shea hillenbrand is the only name u came up with.
Moose was huge for them last year. Him and Wang were the only staples in the rotation.
Every year is a new one so we’ll see if he has another year in him. Let’s hope.
DKA- that is one frightening thought.
It’s a bit like Wang last night. Both don’t have their best stuff but try to use their experience to keep the Yankees in the game and give us a chance to win.
Btw, 10 pitches for Moose in that inning. 49 total.
Dave Nomar didn’t want to come to NY. He wanted to stay in Cali.
who didnt want to be an adult film star?…when they were younger…ya…
Giambi definitely has his eye back…
c’mon Cano – show everyone that you’re back in business.
Phew!!
Taverez just lost his “Perfect Gm” bid
Now lets bang away at that “no-hitter”
C’mon Minky – single!
Moose was an all star the first half of last yr and absolutely sucked in the second half. The difference between the first 81 games and the second were mind boggling. Moose must have been pitching on more or less rest every game the second half of last season.
i wish they would release minky and phelps…andy phillips is tearing the cover off the ball in triple A…
Man I wish GameDay would give you the pitch information for Yankee Stadium…
well… that was disappointing.
We’ve seen what phillips can do in the majors. Not any better than what we’ve got.
sure wish we had that first inning back.
Sunny615-
what 411 are you looking for?
And guys, this is tavarez, not cy young, hit the effer!
What a difference a day makes. How could one team be so bi-polar and let one little homerun get in their heads?
I was curious how Moose was pitching. Fastball speed, break on his secondary pitches, etc.
make that two…
um – two homers.
“I was curious how Moose was pitching.”
-Badly
we make all #5 starters LOOK like cy young. seems like we always have.
Nomar would have come to NY for a price. And what about all the other right handed hitting first baseman on that list. Better than wasting two roster spots. Damn u Moose. Moose is not earning his contract extension. Its like every contract cash touches turns to garbage.
Mussina is a #4 starter at this point in his career. Its not bad but he can’t be expected to carry any staff. He is what he is.
An open letter to Mike Mussina find a pitch that gets people out and stop giving up homeruns. If not, go home and stop wasting my time. I don’t want to hear any excuess
Moose will find something to bitch about
Can number 23 utilize the “Roger Clemen’s” workout and make a comeback? God I don’t know how much more of this I can take!!!!
If we have to lose this one, let Moose pitch all nine innings so that the pen can rest for the next game…
Patrick – his strategy is to tire out the other team by making them jog around the bases.
I doubt Nomar would have come to NY. His wife and home were in Cali and we made it clear he wanted to stay in LA. No matter what we would’ve offered (that was fair), he would have given LA a discount.
mussina started going down at the end of last season…and he’s worse now. cash should have traded him in the off-season…i hope they get rid of him soon.
“he made it clear” – sorry.
Can we get a hit please!
unfortunately, there were that many good pitchers to be had last season. And compared to most of them, Meche for $55 million anyone?, Moose was good for the right price.
How can we go from looking decent last night, to this!
another bad outting by moose.
8 hits in 4 innings.
http://www.mlb.com/stats/indiv.....statType=2
The crappier the pitcher the worse this so called all star lineup hits. Its pathetic – its only four runs morons we scored six yesterday
Moose had good #’s last yr. look them up..
moose according to the sox announcers is hitting 86 mph…….
Everyone seems to be making contact, but they’re just hitting them AT people instead of falling into holes.
Finally! and Why are we not giving Phelps more time?
I say again, c’mon arod – get us back in this game!
Wang, Andy, Rocket, Clip, -moose- Hughes
Mark my words…ARod…hr tonight
Dr. Acula I like the looks of that 5 spot!
umm almost every one that is on a team has a home in that city. Do u think arod didnt have a home in texas when he came here or giambi didnt have a home in oakland when he came here? I understand Nomar didnt come here cuz he wanted to stay in cali but he would have come here if he got a higher offer im sure. We woukd have had to stuck with two yrs tho. Anyway it is irrelevant cuz alot of right handed hitting first baseman would have been a better pickup than mienky.
I hope you’re right paul
I hope you’re right paul
CRAP that was close!!! >:-(
ARod looks so confident again
HIP HIP?
Even if we get nothing… this was a good, patient inning. We’re making Taveras work now.
JORGE
Moose was 13 -3 in April may june and july. He was 2-4 in august september and october. He had an era under 3 in april and may and above 5 in august. He got progressively worse throughout the yr.
alright alright…lets go bobby
Perfect game GONE
no hitter GONE
shut out GONE
deficit gone?
RATTLED!
people – fans and media alike are giving WAAAY too much credit to tyler clippard. It was one start pople – i understand it was against the mets. Any one who knows tyler knows he is capable of extremely good preformances. Career wise tho he has been almost as good as Hughes but I wouldnt insert him into the rotation over Moose, not after one major league start
wild pitch?
I think i hate Abreau
bobby GONE.
Time to start the comeback!
It went thru his legs. Probably should have had it, I’d have to see it again to know for sure.
Bobbie should have turned on that 3-1 fastball and popped it over the short porch. He’s still not seeing the ball well… At least we got a freebee and made Taveras sweat a little. Now Moose needs to settle.
i wouldn’t go that far – he’s definite getting his eye and stroke back. But he still has a ways to go.
Wolf you said “Jeff, on a team that has been on fire, Tavarez is 2-4 with a 5.59 ERA. I understand what you are saying about not taking him lightly, but I don’t expect him to be as fortunate over 6 1/3 against this Yankee lineup that is starting to heat up at long last. Two weeks ago perhaps, but not when our guys are getting into their groove.”
This is one of the rare times where I am unhappy to be right, Tavarez is pitching well, luckily for me I decided this would be a good night to go out for dinner. Got him to see Posada get a hit then the wild pitch for the run, hmm, wonder if I’m the good luck charm? Guess we’ll see.
lets hope so Jeff
Look, as I said before, we always make the #s 4 and 5 dog***t pitchers look good. Every time I see a “favorable match-up”, I know it is going to be a depressing/frustrating game. Especially if Mussina is pitching.
c’mon yanks! Big inning coming up!
Now it’s time to plunk Manny in the top of the 6th.
Alright, the momentum is turning now. Let’s hope the bottom of the lineup keeps the pressure on Tavares. If we can turn it over, he’ll be in real trouble.
# david said
Look, as I said before, we always make the #s 4 and 5 dog***t pitchers look good. Every time I see a “favorable match-up�, I know it is going to be a depressing/frustrating game. Especially if Mussina is pitching. #
I wouldn’t go that far, but I would agree if you changed 4 and 5 to *rookie* or *never before seen*.
Take a pitch boys!
#Yanksmitch
Alright, the momentum is turning now. Let’s hope the bottom of the lineup keeps the pressure on Tavares. If we can turn it over, he’ll be in real trouble.
Just gotta keep making him work
Can minky RBI him in?
lets go doug, get that bat goin
lets go Doug, make it productive!
# Yanksmitch
Alright, the momentum is turning now. Let’s hope the bottom of the lineup keeps the pressure on Tavares. If we can turn it over, he’ll be in real trouble.
Up to Mink now.
O/T
boy the Giants’ Tim Lincecum sure looks like the real deal. yes, houston can’t hit, but the kid (19) managed to throw nasty breaking pitches in the high altitude of denver.
http://www.mlb.com/stats/indiv.....statType=2
Not a bad time for a walk…
I’ll take it
lets go, show em who u play for
Kreuger is already at 90 pitches in the 5th. If we can keep this up, it may be his last inning.
umm – what’s happening – is he being taken out? Or just a conference?
And Moose has 77 at 5 innings…
never mind – thanks
c’mon Damon!
Yeh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another Walk!!!
lets go! we need something here!
Time for Capt’n Clutch!
What are the chances of Jeter hitting a Slam?
that’s a bad call!
Can anyone post the link to how to pretty up the posts?
One bomb is all I ask…
C’mon GameDay LOAD FASTER DARN IT!
Urgh…c’mon Matsui
Yes!!!! Our king Jetter!!!
Lets go Godzilla!
“click me”:http://sunnyart.blogspot.com/2.....ol-on.html
and soon – you’re posts will be *purdy*
ugh!
*BREAKING NEWS*
NBA Draft Lottery
4 Memphis
5 Boston
6 Milwaukee
7 Minnesota
8 Charlotte
9 Chicago from New York
10 Sacramento
11 Atlanta from Indiana
12 Philadelphia
13 New Orleans/OKC
14 L.A. Clippers
first, second, and third still to be determined. Phoenix, ATL, and SEA still in Greg Oden derby.
*KEEE-RAP*
The bad news: the Yanks couldn’t get the big hit.
The good news: Taveras is nearly at 100 pitches. Getting to the bullpen by the 6th inning is great.
*excellent*
-Matsui hits a bomb-
Matsui -hits a bomb- grounds out weakly to short stop.
*BREAKING NEWS*
NBA Draft Lottery
1. Portland
2. Seattle
3. Phoenix from Atlanta
4. Memphis
5. Boston
6. Milwaukee
7. Minnesota
8. Charlotte
9. Chicago
10. Sacramento
11. Atlanta from Indiana
12. Philadelphia
13. New Orleans/OKC
14. L.A. Clippers
Trailblazers win Greg Oden !!!
Celtics needed a break, they didn’t get it! (sorry guys I am Ticks fan)
INC Steve Philips rant on how Boston ended up with the 5th pick. this guy should be shot.
Does anyone know if DeSalvo is warming up?
You missed Portland, Acula and they got him.
Moose has settled down, now lets get the bats in the next 4
Gotta score in the next two innings cause you know the other hideki is coming in the 8th and the closer will be on the 9th
Oh, no… Vizcaino again!
Moose *better* stay in!
wow – 5 pitches to get out of that inning – moose could see the 8th if he stays that efficient
Wow. 2 excellent innings for Moose. Please keep him in for the 7th!!! No Viciano or Villone, please.
P-
I got it. they took a “dramatic” commercial break, ala Miss Universe, before picking the final three slots.
If Vizcaino comes… we´re dead!
BOSTON loses on Oden AND Durant! Great. That’s what they get for tanking at the end of the season. What happened to the offense? I go on vacation and so does the bats?
Jeter and Groundzilla should at least let the guy see if he can throw 2 strikes across the plate before swinging, he just walked the bases loaded for goodness sakes.
Vizcaino vs. the Sox? Is Joe kidding?!
why is gameday stuck ? Is there something going on?
Let go Jorge!
just when things were looking up!
I’m not seeing anything except that last out Lowell made… is anyone watching the game and know what the dilio is?
never mind – KEEEE_RAP AGAIN!
that’s ugly!
Still think Abreu’s “got his stroke back”? He’s got his whiff back unfortunately. Uggg.
I also think its safe to say that Posada has now come back down to earth.
I still hate Abreau
Boston sold their teams souls for the 2004 title and the Patriots run.
I hate Moose.
Peter
*re: Manny*
Boston hates him, in large part, cuz of the local Player-Hata radio station WEEI.
as for not hustling to first, Bonds does the same thing, and so did Rickey Henderson. And its true, there are times when the 1st baseman drops the ball, and Bonds’ trot (for example) give the opposition a 2nd bite at the apple.
You could also say players who eat junk food and who don’t take care of themselves, like Giambi and Randy Johnson are BIGGER jerks, because in the end their bodies break down, which cause much more damage to the team.
But that aside, Manny and Bonds are no were near as crazy as Schilling or, in the past, Dave Kingman and Steve Carlton. Yet, you have to wonder why they’re not hammered the same way.
Dr. Acula….Great Name
it would of been nice for moose to step up tonight, but this is a guy who took months to get over the trip to japan a few years back.
another bad call by an ump… crispies was out
and it cost the yankees a run…
damn it
Another f’d up call leads to run for those who are watching gameday
2 runs…
Wow. A bad call that cost the Yankees 2 runs. Another huge called blown by the umps. Sure, it was a bang bang play, and Coco was out by only a couple of inches, but he was out nonetheless.
I hate this. I feel like it’s 1993 all over again, and I am watching the Yankees playing Toronto. These guys are playing so well and the Yanks are so flat.
ARG. Moose was very close to getting out of this one cleanly. Now we’ve got a mess and a 4-run deficit. We’re really going to need to do some damage in the 7th.
Moose has been finished. Shouldve been taken out after Crisp’s walk.
I’m f*cking sick of this. when are the yankees going to get a break. none of this should have happened. 2nd base umpires have been giving jorge the shaft. I haven’t been this frustrated in a good long time. this f*cking sucks.
WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THE SECOND BASE UMPS????!!
ANOTHER blown call.
ANOTHER possible loss because of it.
Who knows how our momentum would’ve shifted us in a 4-2 game, and now it’s 6-2 because of a blown call.
COME ON!
So much for “the Yanks are back”… Yep back to 10.5 games out and on their way to no post season…
This team friggin sucks… I am sooooooo pissed. A team of veterans with no balls….
What gives… How can we only have 3 hits against Tavaraz…
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Whats the deal with Moose? He hasn’t found it this year. What are the chances that if Clippard keeps pitching well that he takes Moose’s spot in the rotation?
Make it 3 should be unearned runs that probably lost the game for the Yanks.
I am PISSED.
Replays showed that he WAS out, and we should’ve been out of this inning without using the bullpen, and only trailing by 2.
Now it’s FIVE.
3 runs because of the blown call now…
ridiculous
I am so happy we have Mike Myers on this team to get out guys like Ortiz. He is so effective.
I dont get it. Papi is hitting .308 against Myers why in gods name did he just come in. Lefty Specialist Smefty Smecialist. Things really cant get any worse…actually yes they can. This team is done.
Alright, Luis Vizcaino!!! All Hail Felix Heredia II!!!
oh well. bedtime.
this team had no heart, torre needs to be fired RIGHT NOW
mussina should join pavano on the bench the remainder of the year i get sick just seeing him
Well, I am hitching my star to Pete’s team. They have a better chance this year than this unfortunate Yankee team.
This friggin team deserves what it gets…. bunch of f****** quitters and lame asses… Cashman needs to be fired and we should just start giving our quitters away…
I am just pissed.
Hey Pete – what’s your take on that call – was Crisp out?
I think that they should shoot Pavano on the field during the stretch to send a message to the rest of the team!
YEs Torre will be fired on Thursday.
you know what this team needs, a better singer during the seventh inning stretch. kate smith sucks. we need to bring back that dude from the irish tenors. my dog howling at ambulances sounds better that that recording.
lets not blame anything on a questionable call…mussina is WAY past his prime…i wonder what he’ll blame his pathetic performance on tonight
Get a 1b who can hit. Get rid of Myers and find a real long man.
sunny615
coco was out. my9 showed 4 different replays and he was out in all 4
Mussina’s ERA is now 6.52. 6.52!!! Wow.
You know, since this season is so threatened at this point, they should at least do something drastic, like let the players grow their hair and beards however they like. I can’t help but think Giambi would be better if allowed to wear his scruff.
This game is disappointing on so many levels. I was actually starting to feel good about the team after the win last night. These guys are so hot and cold.
who cares if he was out or not, this game was over when manny went yard in the 1st.
when u get 3 hit by a LOSER like tavarez who the rest of the league demolishes than its clear u really couldnt care what your fans think and are there to collect a paycheque only.
matsui, abreu, mussina, pavano, mientkiewicz, vizcaino and myers should all be traded or released.
none of these guys are yankees and its clear they have no interest in winning.
You know what gets me. No one one the field, or on the bench for that matter even protested the call.
jeez – another bad call… seems like it’s our year for that.
Now these guys are just laying down. It is hard to blame them after Moose put them in a 5 run hole.
What do you do with a classy veteran pitcher who has nothing left and it’s only May? How about a classy leftfielder? Sugesstions?
josh phelps (a decent platoon player) pinch hits for minky – from #6 to #1 all leftys, yes i’m relaying what kay just said – but come on – cashman did a TERRIBLE job in the off-season, i’m not saying hes got to go, but Horrendous
you cant defend it
Mussina has a higher ERA than Tavaraz…
Can’t WAIT to hear Joe’s pathetic after game speech on this game… Um well, you know Moose was cruising along, missed a couple of spots that hurt us but I think he is definately getting back into shape…As for the hitting, well, we are going to call a surgeon and have the bat sugically removed from out players arses… seems you have to swing the bat to have a chance to score..
How old is Mussina? His ERA is now 6.52. This team is going nowhere.
# Miller
You know what gets me. No one one the field, or on the bench for that matter even protested the call.
You can’t protest a call. It makes no difference as was in the case when we played Texas oe the Indians (?) where that guy was out by 20 feet and the ump even admitted after the game that he f’ed it up completely.
At least Josh is fighting in his at bat.
When is something going to be done about these horrible calls by the UMPS. Two missed calls by the second base ump this year. Why aren’t they in the proper position to watch?
Johnny B – I don’t know what you can do because they are both classy guys but they just look old out there.
it’s all going so well, I fully expect to watch Sportcenter before bed and hear that the Yankees have signed Sidney Ponson to a minor league deal.
Yep, Josh is fighting… to have the K look differnt in teh books…. Oooohhhh, watched that pitch go right by..
But hey like the rest of the team, he fought really hard to make the bat miss the ball.
Tavarez the supposed “stiff” he has been refered to as or “the worst pitcher in baseball” now has an ERA of 5.27.
Minor league – he is starting tomorrow!
i’m sorry guys, but I hate to see everyone lose faith in this team so easily. I mean Pete’s not even a Yankees fan and he laughs at us because we hit the panic button like it makes us feel better. We need to be more optimistic. There are alot of pros to this season so far and some con’s as well. BUT, most importantly how can you all jump on Joe’s back like that. Did Joe blow the call on the tag out by Canon on Crisp? Did Joe crumble in the 7th? Did Joe get blanked by Taverza? Yea, Joe put in Myers, but he is a lefty specialist and if maybe he didn’t face Ortiz everyday we would do his job, I say throw Vilone out there and give Myers a day off Ortiz. But still…No way, for all you real Yankees fans Joe Torre should be a god. Yea maybe he needs more anger to put some fire in the players bellys, but as you all know this is a veteran team and these “allstars” should not need that kind of rookie treatment. We had our chances tonight and a sweep would be ideal, but we still have tomorrow! GO YANKEES!
And Joe never should have left Mike out there another inning. He struggled the entire game, he had nothing. Yet he tried to push the envelope and paid for it. Than he brings in Myers who can’t get Ortiz out (yeah I know he did yesterday, but he still allowed a run in). Mike Myers has ONE job and that is get out Ortiz, and not allow a run to score, and he can’t do that!
Tonight’s the night for Posada to throw the buffet table over and pull a Paul O’Neill, 1998.
If I were Toree,I would never trust Mike Miyers to face Big Papi again or maybe other batters .
Colorado – at least he didn’t lay down like the prior two guys.
All I am hoping for now is that I see some effort in the last two innings. I hate to see the team give up and lay down instead of fighting to the end. Even if they don’t score at least get someone on base.
Yankees will lose tomorrow 8-3… then lose the first two in Anaheim. By then, they will be 13.5 games out of first and that will be it.
Is it Joe’s fault? Yes to some extent. Again, no fire with this team. No fire from the bench. Even Bowa is calm, what does that tell you. The meds are working in the wrong way.
Just win the series, that’s all I care about. I’ll start swearing tomorrow if the Yanks lose another 2-1 game.
It is pathetic that they were 3-hit by Tavarez…
Stay away Ponson!!! Go back to Aruba and assault some more judges!
I think that we just missed out best chance to get even for the Jeter peg last night. Viz should have put one in Veritek’s back.
Josh,
I appreciate your optimism, and I agree it’s not really Joe’s fault. I will miss him when he no longer is managing this team and I hope it ends on his terms. But it’s enough already with this team. It’s not just tonight. It’s game 44. The Sox are the better team, but every series, against every team…
If we didn’t think they were capable of more, we wouldn’t be as frustrated perhaps. These guys are really underachieving and there’s been alot of bad luck with injuries etc. But really good teams win despite such circumstances and don’t make excuses.
I still don’t know why they got Myers to face Ortiz. Kinda silly if you ask me. Espically knowing that Myers threw BP to ORTIZ! He showed him, how to hit him!
13ab
4 hits
1 2b
1 hr
5 RBI!!!!
1 bb
3 so
.308 ba
.615 slg
.949 obp
NOT GOOD
I still don’t know why they got Myers to face Ortiz. Kinda silly if you ask me. Espically knowing that Myers threw BP to ORTIZ! He showed him, how to hit him!
13ab
4 hits
1 2b
1 hr
5 RBI!!!!
1 bb
3 so
.308 ba
.615 slg
.949 obp
NOT GOOD
Some people who were silent yesterday, feel no need to do the same today. Now, all of a sudden, everything is bad again? Some people need to learn to build an argumentation or shut up. I don’t want my main reason for wanting the yankees to win to be that then we don’t have this bonehead comments…
btw, was there patience at the plate today? Had a fleeting look on GameDay, but still…
5 runs instead of 2? The umps join the rally-killing (at least for us) section.
This has been another dissapointing flat performance. This bench is just horrible!! Has everyone else seen enough of Josh Phelps? Andy Phillips is probably no better, but its not like he can do any worse. Minky is also an automatic out everytime up and Cairo is completely useless. And how about Bobby’s at bat in the 7th? Was he even trying?
I just got in from work to catch that awful 7th inning, how demoralizing.
Pete’s correct about Tavarez…you’ve got to get to that guy. Maybe we’ll be treated to some miraculous comeback.
One can hope.
We got the top of the order and we need to just start getting guys on base. We need to see the passion we saw last night.
ok well I knew a sweep was unlikely. Bottom line is that we have to win tomorrow. Good news about that is if we do win tomorrow we win the series and end it on a high note going into the Angel series. So we’ll live with tonight, tomorrow we go for the series. If we lose that, feel free to panic, but if we win we have won the series and have made small progress.
what is the mooses excuse going to be? too much rest, too little rest, hot, cold, not like the mound.
he is a piece of work always got something he does not like..
he only thru 86 mph today.. From what the experts tell me that is not going to get it done…
he is a #5 .. Clemens is a #4 because of his heart and Hughes should be the #3, don’t laugh…
dreadful performance…no clutch hitting tonight while Boston did….
I understand that Moose was off and maybe he is not the pitcher that we was as recent as last year. What is scaring the heck out of me is that our offense just reverted back to little league. We were not facing a good pitcher and he did not throw the game of his life. What happened to the offense that was starting to come around. No matter what happens with the pitcher, this offense needs to score more than two runs.
Next year’s rotation – Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Clippard and Moose att #5. At least that is Moose’s last year under contract.
I love Jeter!
And the bright spot of the Yankee season keeps his hitting streak alive… Now he just needs to get pissed and call out players.
Haha, best line of the night so far…
“A rare Hideki on Hideki matchup”
Truer words have never been spoken on YES
Now I hope Hideki does well
This may at least be the begining of something that we can build on for tomorrow. At best . . . dare we hope?
“Truer words have never been spoken on YES”
its on My9
Please walk in a run!!!!!!!!
Or 6
great slide alex … way to take him out..some heart from the Yanks..
Not the best case but we got a run out of it. At least these guys are working now.
Another blind umpire blew a stupid call on Crisp.. He was definitely out when Yes show darn replay.. MFS must be paying these umpires.
Good take out move by A Rod. Very cool.
The NESN goons are saying “oh, he elbowed Lugo in the stomach, but I guess they’re gonna allow it.”
Go soak your hands in Palmolive, Boston.
I agree – Alex really pushed it into second.
Okay… Abreu is officially back in a funk.
Go Rangers. King Henrik handles the fastball better than most of the aging dolts on this roster. Stanley Cup in ’08!
Forget the “fire” crap. This isn’t a good team. You can’t make guys do things they can’t do anymore. Its too old and too many guys just can’t do it anymore.
Mike Mussina is throwing fastballs at 85 MPH. He can’t pitch anymore. They don’t hit. Most of these guys haven’t hit all year and they aren’t going to start now.
Its not a good team. Period. Lots of names, little production.
You can fire Torre tomorrow, throw things around the room, and carry on like 10 year old children. Guess what? It won’t make a difference.
You aren’t going to get the 6 MPH back for Mussina’s fastball. Guys who are shot like Giambi aren’t going to hit, and you can’t turn back the clock on some of the other dead bats in this lineup.
You can’t fault the bench because, they don’t have a bench. Just a bunch of .100 hitters collecting a paycheck. The biggest miss of Cashman’s off-season. To put together a bench this bad is a fireable offense, IMO.
Firing Torre is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It will accomplish nothing.
They should have fired him after last off-season and changed the ENTIRE makeup of the team. Instead, they stayed status quo with the manager and just tried to “patch things”. Its been a disaster.
My suggestion? Do nothing from now to the trade deadline, then move whomever you can move to upgrade the team at that time. At the deadline, you use it to begin to change the makeup and culture of this team. Too many losers in this group and you have to move them out.
Teams contending for the post-season will want some of these guys. That’s when Cashman has to strike and not get sucked into thinking this is a playoff team. It isn’t.
He starts panicking and begins to give up some of the prospects to “fix” this team, he should be fired on the spot.
EVERY team, even the Yankees, go through this type of season. You just have to suck it up, play some of younger players as the season wears on, and be smart at the deadline and move out as much as you can.
Its just one of those bad seasons.
I am a little surprised they didn’t pitch hit for Abreu.
abreu is a prime example of a player off steroids
The Boston pitching is begging to let us get back in the game. Where is the big hit when we need it? Both Jeter and Posada grounded into a near DP with the bases loaded. Frustrating… just when it seems our offense is getting it together.
Tying run on deck and Abreu grounds out. Unnacceptable.
Another situation with bases loaded and 1-out, force play gets a run and that’s it, even then the umps were being kind on Posada (finally).
Yep another fine example to build on.. one meaningless run in a lost game… Why not just have a solo home run from Minky… same difference.
Abreu needs to be benched for three games. Then Cano… Then Damon.. In that order.
*BREAKING NEWS (no, really)*
* AMERICAN IDOL: Paula Abdul Breaks Nose, Fractures Foot
LOS ANGELES (AP) – Talk about bad timing. Paula Abdul broke her nose this weekend _ just days before the season finale of “American Idol” _ when she fell while trying to avoid stepping on her Chihuahua.
The dog wasn’t hurt, her publicist, David Brokaw, said Monday.
(Phew!)
There was nothing unnecessary about that elbow. In fact it is one of the only things that I am smiling about this game.
colorado yank take your meds…..
I want to know what happned to the Johnny Damon we saw last night? He was agressive at the plate and on the bases. Thats what we need 9 nights out of 10 from our leadoff guy.
they need to get into a fight, like the red sox did in 2004.
bring in farnsworth right now and just have him drill ortiz, the yankees are such pushovers it just shows they have no heart
Getting into Varitek’s face and getting punched OUT/Slapping Arroyo with his purse/Elbowing Pedroia in the man-region.
God A-Rod stand up and be a man and stop taking these little cheap shots
I just saw the replay in slow motion and I am evey happier about it.
Dr. Acula… great story…
That is the same thing that has kept Pavano on the DL so far this season. He apparently injured his arm bracing his fall.. no broken nose but now he needs Tommy John surgery…
Damn Chihuahua’s……God speed Paula and Carl.
I don’t care about last year. Who cares? This is *this* year. What has done? All he has done is whine, make excuses, and run his fat mouth. That’s it.
He was solid for years but It is over.
BTW, if the win the series tomorrow, it doesn’t change the big picture. This isn’t a good team and they are not going to be able to make up this much ground with so many holes to fill.
You will get more enjoyment out of this season following the prospects in the minors instead of watching this team.
Its just not a likeable, watchable team. Too many dogs, too many excuses.
I have resigned myself to this being a “market correction year”.
I just don’t want them to make the same mistakes they made this past off-season.
SJ, I think you’ll be eating your words later in the season, because this is certainly a “good” team. Is it good enough to make the playoffs? Big question, indeed. But only if you use spoiled Yankee fan standards are we not “good”. I don’t agree with your general pessimism about the offense, but Abreu and Giambi haven’t hit all year- and considering their age, they may not improve much. Without them our lineup has some holes, and is not good enough to make the surge we need no matter who we have on the mound in the second half. Since we have no real alternative (Phelps just isn’t the answer at first, and Melky in right? Don’t think so) we are screwed if Giambi and Abreu continue to stink at the plate.
But this team will have a better 3/4 of the season- no doubt about it. Things can only get better, but they may not get good enough for your typical Yankee fan. In my opinion, we will be in the wild card hunt. How is that not a “good” team?
Would it kill this Yankees team to have a walkoff win WITHOUT AN A-ROD WALKOFF HOMERUN? Sometime this year. 44 games into this season and not one comeback, walkoff win without an A-Rod homerun.
Would it also kill them to get three hits in a row? They can’t do that either.
This team bats down to their competition, and I’m talking about Julian Tavarez, their new master. He sucks outside of the games he starts vs. the Yanks yet is through 2003 Pedro Martinez when he faces the Yanks. Further evidence that the Yanks bats down to their competition is the two guys with near 8 ERAs who shut them down too (Tampa Bay’s Fossum and Seattle’s Ramirez). They keep doing that and they’re going nowhere and then you blow up this whole offense save Jeter and Posada.
I’m beginning to this this team comes into some games and believes the stats. They see a guy with an 0-4, 6.48 ERA and think “Oh, this guy sucks. We can take him out.” Then they all sit on their bench with their collective thumb up their collective ass, shutout through 5 innings down 3-0 and think “He shouldn’t be pitching like this.”
Pretty dirty play by A-Rod. I respect him for his incredible skills on the diamond but when he does stuff like that it takes him down a notch in my book. He had already slid and then he popped up way out of the baseline with an elbow to Pedroia’s leg/groin area.
I am a little confused about how you can fall and break your nose trying to avoid a Chihuahua. That must have been some fall.
abreu and matsui should be dealt at the deadline for some younger talent.
im not sure about no trade clauses but damon and a-rod should possibly be dealt as well if they will agree to go. this team is going to be VASTLY different next year, you can forget buster olneys book 2007 is the real last night of the yankees dynasty.
they aren’t even a .500 team. that is not good.
Stuart…. I did take my meds but Abe Lincoln, the beaver, and the astronaut are still standing next to me….
Guess they have the same effect as it does on the Yanks.
Hey guys, just got in… heard moose was a mess, but seriously – taverez?? ugh… lets hope papelbon is as bad tonight as okijima (sp)
Yanksmitch… would you trade Giambi… based on George King’s article today?
Mike Edelman, what the…??? People always bitch about this team always getting hit and always getting pushed around. “Push em back!!!!” you all chant and here we have A-Rod trying to do just that and it allowed the DP to be broken up and you call him out? OK.
Wait if Melky bats for Phelps who is going to play first when we tie it up?
Didn’t read the article- where is it? But I don’t see how anyone would possibly want that 20 million dollar contract. I thought he was basically untradable….
I have to agree with It is over – if our pitchers are not going to stand up for our guys then they need to take their own shots.
Interesting seeing Pavano a little wild… this is rare.
excuse me- Pappelbon.
It’s rare seeing Pavano at all
Here you go… I say if we could get hillenbrand… make the trade
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05.....e_king.htm
whoa… cano walked!?!? i thought for sure he was gonna be out after he fouled of that pitch that was high… come on melkman!!!
Dirty Play by Ortiz Yesterday when He tried to hurt Jeter trying to knock the ball loose.
If we tie this thing… I guess Cairo plays first?
Mike Eldeman, get a grip. Go play with Barbies if this game is too rough for you. He did not elbow him to the groin. He’s trying to break a DP. Just like someone barreling in on the catcher. Jesus…People make ms sick sometimes. I’m a girl and I’m not that sensitive. That was not a dirty play…See Clemens on Piazza…that was dirty.
I have no problem with A-Rod breaking up a double play cleanly. What he did wasn’t clean though. Pedroia tricked A-Rod into sliding the wrong way and had him beat. I don’t have a problem with sliding hard but A-Rod was done with his slide when he hit Pedroia. And he didn’t slide into Pedroia either, he stuck his elbow out way out of the baseline and elbowed him in the groin area. I don’t even think A-Rod was in the baseline when he was sliding and then he went even further out of it to physically hit (not slide into) Pedroia. That’s not good hard baseball, that’s bush league. It’s not like it’s the first time A-Rod’s done stuff like that either.
Come on – take one for the team Melky!
JL, you think Phelps tackling Johjima outside the baseline was clean too? I have no problem with playing the game rough and hard but you do so within the rules of the game. When you’re not doing that you’re cheating. It’s as simple as that.
Why is Damon bunting??
Eldeman, I am rolling my eyes so hard at you it’s not even funny. Bush League? If anything be happy the Yanks are showing any fire. Do you honestly think A-Rod said to himself I’m gonna elbow him in the balls? Did you honestly think Ortiz said to himself I’m taking Jeter out last night? Please. Stop looking for reasons to hate.
Ah the Yanks are losing and some people are finding a way to complain about A-rod…gotta love it.
Wow Melky and Damon really knocked the crap out of those pitches…
Any chance we can stay away from blanket statements like the Yankees just aren’t a good team? Stuff like that serves no purpose except frustrate the optimists. And no please don’t respond to this telling me why I’m an idiot for not seeing how terrible we are.
JL, was A-Rod in the baseline or not? The rule is you can’t go outside the baseline. When you break the rules that’s the definition of dirty.
Phelps said that it wasn’t on purpose. But this is part of the game. You do what you have to do to help your team. No one was injured, why do people dwell so much on this stuff? Like Reggie said, if you have to knock his ass out to get through… you do what you need to do.
Papelbon is the real deal. Very nasty.
The broadcasters just made a good point. At least the Yanks are making Pappelbon throw a lot of pitches. Hopefully he won’t be available tomorrow.
That was a teasing loss. The Yanks had too many chances… oh well.
Even Jeter tanked… nice rally.
I can’t believe that fans are bashing arod for stepping it up a little and doing something to try and spark this team.
Those were two very bad strike calls.
He was out of the baseline because he slid and came off on the slide, not because he was running outside the base the whole time.
Someone forgot to tell Jeter it was his turn to bat, not stare at pitches…
now thats something we don’t see every day. Our Captain who is hitting .500 with RISP strike out looking on 3 straight.
At least they put forth an effort in the 8th and 9th. IMO that is all we could hope for after that disaster in the 7th. We need to carry that energy into the beginning of the game tomorrow.
The Empire Will Strike Back!
boston fans calling other players dirty is hilarious…………..
the only upsetting thing is that pedroia wasnt injured on the play
You cannot blame Jeter for that! Are you guys nuts. That was one strike and two clear balls. The replays confirmed it all the way. Horrible calls by the umpire. You cannot reasonably fault Jeter when he did his job and that ump screwed him.
I wasn’t aware “Mike Edelman” was a yankee fan.
You can’t seriously all be surprised that a Sox fan found fault with it, can you?
And Big Papi show us that he pretty much owns us, and we can basicly call manny our daddy. when is someone going to grom some and at least moved them back, make them feel uncomfortable dam,, put me in there ill do it for free.
Angel, I’m not thinking. The losing is getting to me. LOL
You know what I don’t get? Where are these so called “realistic fans” (SJ44, I’m looking at you) when the Yankees win a game? The regulars are here whether the Yankees win or lose, but there are a few people you see ONLY when we are losing that come on to bitch and moan.
They can’t enjoy the wins, but they really just revel in picking this team apart when they lose. Masochists? That seems to be the most likely explanation.
Reality… Yankees are now in 3rd, 10.5 games back. After tomorrow they will be 11.5. Going to Anaheim who is on a 7 game winning streak.
At what point is enough enough and smarter heads prevail and start getting the younger guys more work. This is a very very bad team. Too inconsistent. Would be one thing if we were clearly the second best in the East but we are not. Arguements can be made for Toronto and Baltimore as better teams. I know it is early but hitting slumps come and go. Poor pitching comes and goes. Inconsistent heartless teams remain all season long. I live in Colorado and get the Rockies every night. I know what those teams look like.
Why? They aren’t a very good team. They are 4 games under .500, haven’t won a series in two weeks, haven’t hit in 5 weeks, and are 8 games out of a playoff spot right now.
Sometimes, the truth hurts. Its not a very good team. Just because somebody may wish it to be, doesn’t make it so.
What has ANYBODY seen this year that makes you think this team is going to “turn it around”?
Hell, its so bad now, we are celebrating two game winning streaks.
I have no problem with blind optimism. I have a big problem with the blind optimists telling people they can’t be realistic.
Its going into Memorial Day Weekend and this team isn’t even at .500. If you think that makes them a “good” team, more power to you.
But, spare me they are “good”. People watch the games. They aren’t even CLOSE to being a good team.
WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!!! LOL This team is beyond pathetic.
Look Arod has a history of bush-leaque play. Nobody was hurt.Get over it.
Carson, obviously, you can’t read. I am here win or lose. I was here last night and posted in numerous threads and when I am not watching baseball in person (went to see Joba Chamberlain pitch tonight), I am here.
So, don’t play that card because you have no idea what you are talking about.
SJ44 how joba do today?
SJ44. I have to agree with you. This is not a good team and they are not in any position to give hope that they will turn things around.
Mediocre pitching beat them in the Seattle series, in the Chicago series, took two of 3 in the Mets series and 3 friggin hit them tonight.
They are lost and have no focus. This is the decline of the dollar actually. You just don’t get what you use to from 15-20 million dollar players. Damn Euro.
Jesus Christ
Let’s calm down, for crying out loud.
We have another game tomorrow and Pettitte is pitching. We will score some runs and Pettitte wont give up many. We will win this game 5-1 and sweep Anaheim. Then we will sweep Toronto. Have some faith.
Its quite possible and very likely.
with all the beanings the red sox have given the yanks, i don’t mind a-rod getting a tad dirty.
Can Mike Mussina EVER come through in a big spot? This game was huge for us, and he came out throwing BP. AWFUL.
Joba: 6 innings, 3 hits, 2 runs, 2 BB, 7 k’s. Got the win. 93 pitches, 60 for strikes. Fastball got as high as 97 but was mostly 94 for the night.
Big kid. Looks a little like Brian Bruney. Great arm. Only gave up 4 singles and nothing was hit hard.
Was fun to watch him work.
Well, the Yanks’ two-game winning streak meant nothing because it was that and they gained zero ground: they beat the Mets Sunday, Boston won Sunday. They beat Boston last night then lost tonight. No ground lost or gained.
Bottom line is they need to win 8 of their next 10 games: tomorrow, a sweep of the Angels or Blue Jays, 2 out of 3 from whichever team they don’t sweep, and 2 of 3 at Boston. Easier said than done? So what? That’s what needs to be done.
Their rotation for the next 10 games should be:
more 6-4 or 7-3!!!
Pettitte/ DAY OFF/ Clippard/ Mussina/ Wang/ Pettitte/ CLEMENS/ Clippard/ DAY OFF/ Mussina/ Wang/ Pettitte
8-2 means 28-26, 2 games off a 90-win pace (30-24 three times = 90-72). That’s better than 26-28 (6-4 in the next
10 games).
You think this team is going to sweep the Angels ?? We’ll be lucky to win one.
How ’bout instead of people bitching about pitch calls while Jeter is up at bat this fucking team gets three hits in a row after two leadoff walks? Let’s say they got three hits from Cabrera, Damon, and Jeter.
Men on 1B and 2B, Damon singles hard to Ramirez, runners hold, bases loaded no outs.
Bases loaded, Jeter singles, two runs score, Damon to 3B, men on 1B and 3B, no outs, Yanks down 7-5.
Men on 1B and 3B, Matsui singles, Damon scores, Jeter to 3B, man on 3B, no outs, Yanks down 7-6.
A-Rod hits a moderately deep flyball to LF, Jeter tags up,
no play at the plate, one out, GAME TIED 7-7.
Posada pops out.
Abreu draws a walk, steals second, Cano raps a single up the middle, throw to the plate off line, YANKS WIN 8-7.
Not exactly a megarally. Is that too much to ask for $200+M?
I will never understand Cashman’s love affair with Mike Mussina. He didn’t want to overpay for Ted Lilly (who always pitched well against the Red Sox) yet Cashman clearly overpaid for Mussina when he could have taken a pass and let Mussina sign with another team. Oh well.
I’m actually pretty disappointed with Mussina as well. The guys so damn persnickety and then he doesn’t come through. There’s definitely been a precipitous fall off in his stuff of late.
I think SJ44 is correct, this just isn’t that good of a team. If that is the case though, I wish they’d start infusing some young guys into the line-up. That way by the time the new stadium is ready they’ll have a young upcoming team.
Funny, as the stadium nears its final days, so does this current Yankee powerhouse.
I don’t “think this team is going to sweep the Angels”, I said they need to sweep them or Toronto, take 2 of 3 vs. whichever team isn’t swept, win tomorrow, and take 2 of 3 at Boston 6/1-3 for 8-2 over the next 10 games and a 28-26 record through the first third of the season, 2 wins off a 90-win pace (you have to crawl before you can walk).
Clippard/ Mussina/ Wang this weekend. Well if Clippard who faces a much easier offense than the Mets (even with the free out at pitcher) in the Angels is decent, the Yanks have a chance at taking 2 of 3 or sweeping. I’ll have to say Mussina would be due for a good game and Wang should be a little better than his so-so outing last night which wasn’t as good as his 1 run line indicated (he was serivceable last night).
First things first: they need to win tomorrow night cuz if they don’t the 8-2 means shit cuz they’re not going 8-1 in their next 9. They win tomorrow, they have a day off to catch a breath and go into the weekend with a good feeling about going on a 7-2 run with Clemens who I think will be reayd for 5/29 at Toronto. Hopefully, Boston loses Thursday if they play that day so the Yanks are 9 games back going into the weekend. Again, easier said then done but the Yanks have to go on a great run at some point. The sooner the better.
Don’t blame Moose for this loss. He battled and kept this impotent lineup in the game for six innings. Joe Tea should have gone to the bullpen after the sixth.
The blame lies with all the hitters who didn’t come through when it counted. They had their chances to get back into this game, and they gagged. That’s an all-too familiar refrain these days.
Waiting for Mussinas excuses for this game. Let me guess, I didnt have anything, the game was supposed to start at 7:05 and it started at 7:06, the temperature was supposed to be 65 and it was 67?? He is beyond pathetic already. He can never ever ever pitch not even a big game, but all they needed was a good game and he couldnt even do that. I understand Cashman signing him for this year but 2 years, that made absolutely no sense??!! He gets paid to be a 1 or 2 and he cant even be a 5th starter. Is his hamstring still bothering him or if he just pathetic..?
Mussina did not lose this one alone. Sure, he didn’t give them a good first inning, but he held it to a reasonable deficit. The Yankees missed their chances offensively, too.
The offense stranded 20 runners tonight – 20! If the Yanks had driven in a quarter of those stranded runners they win the game. So get off Mussina’s back.
In addition, A-Rod’s take-out of Pedroia – who cares if it was a clean play or not? At least he showed some aggression out there — something that most people here are calling for all the time. The idea is to make sure Posada doesn’t get doubled up, and perhaps a run scores. A-Rod did his job.
I love hearing all of this. Most of you Yankee fans have given up on the season. What kind of support is that? It’s May?!?! Have we not learned anything?
I’m thinking in spurts here — the pitching staff was put together with the idea that the Yankees offense would easily be able to score 5 runs or more a game, on average, and fairly consistently. Early in the season, when the pitching was on vacation or whatever, they did score. There is no logical reason for this offense to have disappeared, but it pretty much has.
Anyway, let’s hope the offense shows up tomorrow for Andy Pettitte for a change, and, although they won’t make up much ground, it will be a moral victory to take the series. After all, for the long haul, the Yankees need to win series. A sweep would have been sweet, but taking the series would not be a small thing (especially since they’ve not done it much this season).
Don’t get me wrong, I actually like Mussina, I’m just being honest…his stuff has been a little off of late. And the Yankees certainly missed there chances, that’s for sure. I don’t know what to say. Do they appear to lack fire…yes. Can they turn it around…I don’t know.
“Don’t blame Moose for this loss.”
why not blame him? i’m not too crazy with a guy who can’t throw over 86 who refuses to pitch up and in because it doesn’t fit with his personal pacifistic cerebral approach. if i were manager for a day and mussina were pitching, i’d order him to drill the first hitter( in a nice safe place). if he refused , i’d have a pinstriped skirt for him to change into and wear the rest of the game.
he’s hurting the team with his refusal to go aggresively after hitters. when he was younger he could get away with it because he was so talented. his refusal to pitch tough up and in has kept him out of the hall of fame and now it’s hurting the yankees .
the yankees can’t afford mussina’s softness right now. the sooner clemens gets here and sets a tougher standard the better.
Everybody seems to keep dismissing the fact that Schilling is pitching as well tomorrow. The guy is no slouch. I wouldn’t assume the offense is just going to demolish Schilling…he does have a way of sticking it to the Yankees. Not to mention tomorrow’s game will be televised nationally on ESPN.
Cashman has GMed this team like a moron for several years now, and the chickens are simply coming home to roost. The miscalculations and misassessments he has made since 2003 could fill the Library of Congress.
Prediction: Pettitte pulls a hammy tomorrow night and misses 6 weeks.
doreen-
arod did exactly what he was supposed to do . his body was all over second base so he has every right to take out the infielder. it’s exactly why the phelps/johjima collision was also a legal play. phelps was all over the plate. if johjima was taking himself out of the play he should have stepped up where he couldn’t apply a swipe tag at the last moment . he coudn’t have reached phelps and phelps couldn’t have reached him.
the people who don’t like either play are going by amateur rules where once you slide you have to stay down.
by pro rules, arod’s and phelps’ slides were 100% legal which is why the umpires had no problem with either play.
they call it hardball for a reason.
Another sickening game. What a surprise to see the Crossword Kid come up small in a big spot.
And for the love of Christ, what’s it gonna take before Torre orders someone to drop a Boston hitter?! We all know that Mussina doesn’t have the stones to do it, but what else are Vizcaiano and Villone on the team for? And if not tonight, trailing by five runs and desperate for a spark, then when exactly?
If we roll over again tomorrow and Torre sits there slurping green tea, he should get his papers on Thursday’s off day and Joe Girardi should have the reins against Anaheim. And the very first thing he should do is break a bat over Abreu’s head right in the middle of the clubhouse, ala DeNiro in The Untouchables.
Is there any reason that Myers is STILL on this team? I don’t quite get what his job is…Mop up duty? Why keep him on this team just to TRY and get Ortiz out and he cant even manage to do that. Yesterday he did but otherwise he hasnt. They should give Britton a chance he has been pitching really good in AAA and there is no reason to keep a lefty just to have a lefty on the team when you have better righty options. I am sure changes are going to be made on this team and he should be one of the first.
mussina has not pitched well in a big game since the jeter toss game in 2001. and this was a big game. they had the “favorable match-up” (which is virtually always the kiss of death for the yankees) and he spit the bit. and as far as not pitching inside? i saw ortiz (please don’t call him papi on this site) dig a 15 second hole in the batter’s box a couple of year’s ago. i told the person sitting next to me that 20 years ago, any self-respecting pitcher would have nailed him with the first pitch. mussina? first pitch down the middle ending up in the 3rd deck. so much for the value of graduating from stanford in 3 years.
I may not blame Moose on the first 4 runs (aklthough it is hard not to) and give him some credit for keeping them close for the next few innings BUT those 3 runs in the 7th are all on him. yes we had some chances tonight and the bats didnt come through but in listening to Flash on the TV and being as he was with this guy when he pitched there were a couple of things that made me think hmmm.
First he said that Moose calls his own game pretty much he has a plan and doesnt tend to stray from that plan which when it comes to the most good hitting teams this is a problem. One of the reasons why Wang was so effective last night was that he went away from what the hitters were expecting and threw some suprise in there. IN the first inning it was obvious what the red Sox were looking for and he gave it to them plain and simple.
Mussina has given this team pretty much nothing this year(and dont even talk about the playoffs last year) but 6 innings at best and gives away pretty much at least 4 runs every game.
I know it is wrong to write a team off this early, but we are past the 1/3rd mark and the Yankees are still struggling. They have a good game here and there, but get complacent again and lose the fire. Tavarez isn’t a great pitcher. A offense like the Yankees have should have been whacking the ball all over the place. Mussina needs to go away. His arrogance and whiny ass attitude freakin suck.
Wang
Pettite
Clemens
Hughes
Clippard
That is one rotation that will make me very happy and a rotation that can win playoff games. Trade Mussina when Hughes is ready to come back.
I have had enough with Moose and his weirdo arrogant ways. But I was never a fan of his and always thought it was a mistake when they signed him and resigned him.
Unless the Red Sox collapse, the Yankees aren’t going to win the division and the Wild Card will be tough to get with the AL Central. This may be the 1st year without a post season. I say 75% chance they don’t get into the post season.
The offense isn’t a winning one. Too many HR hitters and not enough dirt dogs that get on base and move runners over.
Giambi needs to go… out.. gone.. retired.. fired…
Bring up Shelley and let him play backup and send Melky back to where he belongs.
Work a deal with the Mariners to get Ichiro. Move Damon over to left, stick Ichiro in center and have Matsui DH.
Watching the Yankees is painful and Cashman is a freaking joke and needs to go and take his weird tiny head with him.
Did anyone notice that absolutely disgusting call at second that led to the redsox scoring three runs. Granted, that didnt make the difference between the yanks winning and losing but going that deep into a hole may have effected the offense’s drive to win. This team looks really pathetic so a four run lead might be so demoralizing that some of the players may even give up. That call was a pivotal moment in the game. Do the yanks ever get a call that goes there way any more. Almost too consistently, we have gotten these god awful calls that have been the difference in the game. The umps at second need to be fired or get some glasses – you cannot miss a play like that. No excuses. I dont care if the ump sees the tape and apologizes – this is his job and he aint doing it. They can take that apology and shove it up there @$$, it makes no difference the next day.
When will someone be fired? The yanks certainly need a spark and the changing of administration is really the only way to go at this point. FRire cash, Fire long, fire torre just fire someone. This team needs a kick in the butt and I cant think of any other way to do it. I cant wait until clemens comes – the only guy with the balls to shake things up. He is going to do alot more for this team than pitch every fifth day. I believe he has the power to change the mindset of the team.
Please can we not annoint Tyler Clippard just yet. He has pitched 1 game there were many after DeSalvo’s first go around saying hw was better than what we had and same thing with Chase Wright and looked how there next start was. One game does not make a mlb player
I think moose has a no trade clause. I agree cash is a joke and should be fired but Moose shouldnt be traded. And we shouldnt get ichiro. How many people that are sticking clippard into the rotation for the duration of the baseball season even knew who he was last week. I find it hillarious that In april I talked about clippard in the blog and with my friends and people would ask me who he was. Now, some fans think he is the answer to all of our problems. Hold off on the quick judgements and wait and see how he does in his second start before jumping to conclusions. Hes been great in every stage of his career but scouts dont think highly of him and no one really knows how well he will do against major league talent every five days. Give him another start before replacing Moose with clippard.
SJ44 says the Yanks are old and shot, again they are no older then the sux. edelman why do you post here? You are s sux guy?
Moose has too throw harder then he did else he needs to totally change how he pitches.
I did not see the postgame show what did he have to say?
The posts are lie a pogo stick when they win they are going to go on a run, when they lose, all is lost, they stink, they are done, etc…
moose will not be replaced by clippard anytime soon……no way
The most annoying thing about the call at 2nd was that there were 2 outs and Mussina wasnt able to just forget about that call and just get the next hitter out. Especially since it was another scrub Lugo and he went 2-0 and then threw a fastball right down the middle. It would of been a perfect time to bring in Bruney but Clueless really did leave Mussina out there to dry. It would of been 4-2 going into the bottom of the 7th instead he let Mussina give up another 2 runs and 3 runs total given up with 2 outs. Whenever he gets a bad call or someone makes an error he always falls apart and loses it.
In the dictionary under “cowardly dirty player of all time” is a picture of Jason Varitek with full face mask and catcher’s gear attacking a Yankee player who was just standing there with no armor whatsoever. And that’s just the beginning. The Yankees let the Red Sox treat them like rag dolls. Mostly unwatchable.
“Melissa NY: Call it a hunch but I have a feeling the Yankees are going to score a lot of runs today.”
Remind me never to go with one of your hunches.
“That was not a dirty play…See Clemens on Piazza…that was dirty.”
Clemens on Piazza wasn’t even a “play”. The ball was dead. Arod on pedroia was the very definition of a dirty play. Now, you can feel free to enjoy it during what has been an awful start. Maybe it’s a straw you’re grabbing at. But it was dirty. If you’re going to approve of it, accept it for what it was.
officiating disaster
the entire game
that is all
SJ44…I agree with you 100%. This team beats John Maine and Tim Wakefield and people think it represents us “turning a corner”? They have shown me nothing, squat, squadoosh that says they are a playoff team. It can turn- much like the 2004 Sox turned on a dime…but there a lot of holes here…the entire OF, 1B, the bench, Mussina, relief, and even closer is no longer a lock…very shaky…and PAINFUL to watch play right now…get to the deadline and unload what they can- Mussina, Abreu, Damon, Giambi, Farnsworth, Myers, even Clemens (assuming he doesn’t have a NTC)and AROD (for a big package- see Herschel Walker to Vikings for comparison)…reload and remake this team.
Edelman- it is always so obviosu to find the guys that never played the game beyond Little League- you’re one of em. It’s called major league baseball, it’s played by men- big men (except in the case of Pedroia- a very little man). It was a great, hard play by AROD- and if he gets hit tomorrow by Fatmouth he BETTER go to the mound, or someone better pay dearly on the Red Sox…if AROD gets dinged tomorrow and there isn’t a melee then I am going full-time NASCAR for the balance of the Summer
yeah, Crisp was out…but a veteran, even EX ace gets the batter and it doesn’t matter.
Mussina should be in the NL- he might have a shot at 300 wins in the NL. In the AL he’ll be lucky to get to 250.
Cashman should send Mussina and Melky to ST Louis for Rolen and Scott Spezio something. anything…
Rolen plays first for now (insurance is AROD opts out) and Spezio beefs up bench. Clippard takes Moose spot
So many delusional idiots on this board.
*MUSSINA IS WASHED UP. IT IS NOT EARLY! THE YANKEES STINK!!!!*
just when you need him the most, “MR almost” mike mussina deserts us! if they send T Clip down in favor of more mussina slop then cash truly should have his head examined. I will say it again: mike mussina must have incriminating pictures of someone in the yankee organization