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		<title>By: jw</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/25/no-word-yet-on-the-rocket/comment-page-2/#comment-50493</link>
		<dc:creator>jw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>id throw in farnsworth, vizcaino and desalvo all together in any trade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>id throw in farnsworth, vizcaino and desalvo all together in any trade</p>
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		<title>By: blk1948</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/25/no-word-yet-on-the-rocket/comment-page-2/#comment-50224</link>
		<dc:creator>blk1948</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one player the Yankees should target in a trade is Texiera, if he&#039;s made available.  You could trade 2 pitchers from among Farnsworth, Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens, etc, Melky, maybe another low level prospect.  Texiera will also balance the lineup being a switch hitter.  Trading players on the 40 man roster will give some flexibility to add maybe a Andy Phillips as an infielder, Shelly Duncan as of/1b, Kevin Thompson as 4th outfielder.

Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one player the Yankees should target in a trade is Texiera, if he&#8217;s made available.  You could trade 2 pitchers from among Farnsworth, Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens, etc, Melky, maybe another low level prospect.  Texiera will also balance the lineup being a switch hitter.  Trading players on the 40 man roster will give some flexibility to add maybe a Andy Phillips as an infielder, Shelly Duncan as of/1b, Kevin Thompson as 4th outfielder.</p>
<p>Just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: DCJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>DCJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™d offer Philly Vizcaino for Coste or Barajas and jump for joy if they said yes.&quot;

Fransworth may have more value later in the year (July 31st).  It&#039;s time for Vizcaino to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™d offer Philly Vizcaino for Coste or Barajas and jump for joy if they said yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fransworth may have more value later in the year (July 31st).  It&#8217;s time for Vizcaino to go.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/25/no-word-yet-on-the-rocket/comment-page-2/#comment-50189</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree.  I think getting rid of Farnsworth free ups money and that give them more options.

For example, let&#039;s say you move Farnsworth and you get back Coste and a ML pitcher.

Texas puts Texiera on the market.  The Rangers need pitching badly.  They also need a mix of pitching.  Guys who are major league ready (or close to it) from the minors and, perhaps a pitcher already on the roster.

You can move Vizcaino (or Chris Britton) in that deal (the Rangers need bullpen help) and add one or two of the many good prospects the Yankees have at the AAA and AA levels.

Perhaps Vizcaino or Britton, Clippard (if Hughes is back and healthy) and (maybe) one guy from AA or AAA among, Ross Ohlendorf, Steven Jackson, Jeff Marquez, Brett Smith and Alan Horne.

You have to think about doing that deal IF (and I am just speculating here) is on the table.

Imagine moving out Farnsworth and Vizcaino, along with 2-3 other pitchers, and end up with Coste and Texiera?  It definitely upgrades the team and they still have enough depth in the system to absorb the losses from that trade.

One of the benefits of having a lot of quality pitching depth in the minors is to pursue that excellent, young everyday player.  Tex fits that bill, IMO.

At least they will have options.  That&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  I think getting rid of Farnsworth free ups money and that give them more options.</p>
<p>For example, let&#8217;s say you move Farnsworth and you get back Coste and a ML pitcher.</p>
<p>Texas puts Texiera on the market.  The Rangers need pitching badly.  They also need a mix of pitching.  Guys who are major league ready (or close to it) from the minors and, perhaps a pitcher already on the roster.</p>
<p>You can move Vizcaino (or Chris Britton) in that deal (the Rangers need bullpen help) and add one or two of the many good prospects the Yankees have at the AAA and AA levels.</p>
<p>Perhaps Vizcaino or Britton, Clippard (if Hughes is back and healthy) and (maybe) one guy from AA or AAA among, Ross Ohlendorf, Steven Jackson, Jeff Marquez, Brett Smith and Alan Horne.</p>
<p>You have to think about doing that deal IF (and I am just speculating here) is on the table.</p>
<p>Imagine moving out Farnsworth and Vizcaino, along with 2-3 other pitchers, and end up with Coste and Texiera?  It definitely upgrades the team and they still have enough depth in the system to absorb the losses from that trade.</p>
<p>One of the benefits of having a lot of quality pitching depth in the minors is to pursue that excellent, young everyday player.  Tex fits that bill, IMO.</p>
<p>At least they will have options.  That&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: randyhater</title>
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		<dc:creator>randyhater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys,

You&#039;d rather Vizcaino over Farns. in a tight spot?  Not me.  Less Farns = more Viz.  No thanks.  

If we can get something significant for Farns I&#039;m down with it, but a back-up catcher and another minor leaguer who&#039;ll never pitch here doesn&#039;t help us climb back in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,</p>
<p>You&#8217;d rather Vizcaino over Farns. in a tight spot?  Not me.  Less Farns = more Viz.  No thanks.  </p>
<p>If we can get something significant for Farns I&#8217;m down with it, but a back-up catcher and another minor leaguer who&#8217;ll never pitch here doesn&#8217;t help us climb back in.</p>
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		<title>By: chazzh</title>
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		<dc:creator>chazzh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ44- I am with you (right down to the Stick Michael philosphy- I stated so a few days ago in a different thread when I saw Myers get hurt).  

Do Farnsworth for Coste+ML Pitcher.  Then send down Nieves for Henn.  This team would be better tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ44- I am with you (right down to the Stick Michael philosphy- I stated so a few days ago in a different thread when I saw Myers get hurt).  </p>
<p>Do Farnsworth for Coste+ML Pitcher.  Then send down Nieves for Henn.  This team would be better tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that folks can come up with a handful of &quot;moments&quot; to justify keeping Farnsworth shows how ineffective he has been as a Yankee.

Good relief pitchers don&#039;t have &quot;moments&quot;.  They are effective in a boring type of way because of the steadiness of their success.  That&#039;s something Farnsworth has NEVER been in his time in NY.

He isn&#039;t a &quot;power arm&quot; per se.  Just because he throws the ball hard, doesn&#039;t make him a &quot;power arm&quot;.

He walks too many people, is VERY hittable and, with an ERA over 5 as a Yankee, is not the type of guy you can count on to give you solid 8th inning work.

Power arms get consistent outs.  Farnsworth does not.

Folks act as if he is some &quot;missing link&quot; to success in NY.  He has been here long enough, and we have seen enough, to see just how ineffective he can be.

This team doesn&#039;t have another two months for him to &quot;find himself&quot;.  They are in too big a hole as it is to wait on him any longer.

As I proposed earlier, how many here HONESTLY would want or trust Kyle Farnsworth on the mound with a one run lead in the 8th inning of a game that decides whether or not the Yankees make the playoffs?

I don&#039;t think members of the Farnsworth Family would wish that situation upon him, let alone anybody else.

He is just another example of Cashman getting seduced by a NL arm, only to have the guy spit the bit in NY.

He&#039;s not exactly the first member of that &quot;special&quot; club we have seen in NY the past 5 years.

If they can get Coste and an arm for him, that&#039;s the deal the Yankees have to make.  In fact, its a no brainer.

Bruney, Proctor, Vizcaino (until they find a home for him) and Britton.  This is one situation where the Yankees actually have adequate depth to deal Farnsworth and not miss a beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that folks can come up with a handful of &#8220;moments&#8221; to justify keeping Farnsworth shows how ineffective he has been as a Yankee.</p>
<p>Good relief pitchers don&#8217;t have &#8220;moments&#8221;.  They are effective in a boring type of way because of the steadiness of their success.  That&#8217;s something Farnsworth has NEVER been in his time in NY.</p>
<p>He isn&#8217;t a &#8220;power arm&#8221; per se.  Just because he throws the ball hard, doesn&#8217;t make him a &#8220;power arm&#8221;.</p>
<p>He walks too many people, is VERY hittable and, with an ERA over 5 as a Yankee, is not the type of guy you can count on to give you solid 8th inning work.</p>
<p>Power arms get consistent outs.  Farnsworth does not.</p>
<p>Folks act as if he is some &#8220;missing link&#8221; to success in NY.  He has been here long enough, and we have seen enough, to see just how ineffective he can be.</p>
<p>This team doesn&#8217;t have another two months for him to &#8220;find himself&#8221;.  They are in too big a hole as it is to wait on him any longer.</p>
<p>As I proposed earlier, how many here HONESTLY would want or trust Kyle Farnsworth on the mound with a one run lead in the 8th inning of a game that decides whether or not the Yankees make the playoffs?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think members of the Farnsworth Family would wish that situation upon him, let alone anybody else.</p>
<p>He is just another example of Cashman getting seduced by a NL arm, only to have the guy spit the bit in NY.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not exactly the first member of that &#8220;special&#8221; club we have seen in NY the past 5 years.</p>
<p>If they can get Coste and an arm for him, that&#8217;s the deal the Yankees have to make.  In fact, its a no brainer.</p>
<p>Bruney, Proctor, Vizcaino (until they find a home for him) and Britton.  This is one situation where the Yankees actually have adequate depth to deal Farnsworth and not miss a beat.</p>
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		<title>By: randyhater</title>
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		<dc:creator>randyhater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would&#039;t move Farnsworth just to dump salary. As up and down as he&#039;s been, he&#039;s had his moments (specifically against Ortiz last year) and giving away an arm like his for a back-up catcher would be foolish, especially if San Diego can get a legit player like Wily Mo for Linebrink.  

Also, one injury to Proctor, Bruney or (God forbid) Mo and our bullpen surplus is gone quick.

I&#039;d offer Philly Vizcaiano for Coste or Barajas and jump for joy if they said yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would&#8217;t move Farnsworth just to dump salary. As up and down as he&#8217;s been, he&#8217;s had his moments (specifically against Ortiz last year) and giving away an arm like his for a back-up catcher would be foolish, especially if San Diego can get a legit player like Wily Mo for Linebrink.  </p>
<p>Also, one injury to Proctor, Bruney or (God forbid) Mo and our bullpen surplus is gone quick.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d offer Philly Vizcaiano for Coste or Barajas and jump for joy if they said yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the Padres trade their premiere set up guy for a 4th OF who has never proven he can hit big league pitching?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the Padres trade their premiere set up guy for a 4th OF who has never proven he can hit big league pitching?</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you so driven to see Farnsworth go, Pete?

For what?  A backup catcher?  Prospects?  I dont get it.  You can never have enough power arms in a pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you so driven to see Farnsworth go, Pete?</p>
<p>For what?  A backup catcher?  Prospects?  I dont get it.  You can never have enough power arms in a pen.</p>
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