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		<title>By: Bronx Jeers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronx Jeers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/30/phil-hughes-update/comment-page-2/#comment-68396</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE A AUTOGRAPHED BASEBALL CARD ON YOU. IT&#039;S A 2005 BOWMAN CERTIFIED AUTOGRAPHED ISSUE. I WANT YOU TO APPEAR ON THE MOUND SOON BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY DONT&#039;T BELIEVE YOU&#039;RE AS GOOD AS A PITCHER AS THEY THINK YOU ARE. PLEASE COME ON THE MOUND IN AUGUST AND SHOW WHATEVER TEAM YOU FACE YOU&#039;RE MADE OF!!! PLEASE GET BETTER FAST!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE A AUTOGRAPHED BASEBALL CARD ON YOU. IT&#8217;S A 2005 BOWMAN CERTIFIED AUTOGRAPHED ISSUE. I WANT YOU TO APPEAR ON THE MOUND SOON BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY DONT&#8217;T BELIEVE YOU&#8217;RE AS GOOD AS A PITCHER AS THEY THINK YOU ARE. PLEASE COME ON THE MOUND IN AUGUST AND SHOW WHATEVER TEAM YOU FACE YOU&#8217;RE MADE OF!!! PLEASE GET BETTER FAST!!!</p>
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		<title>By: DinkyDow</title>
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		<dc:creator>DinkyDow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Curse has been reversed! The Babe is pissed that the Yanks are tearing down the House that Ruth built.</description>
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		<title>By: randy l</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/05/30/phil-hughes-update/comment-page-1/#comment-53756</link>
		<dc:creator>randy l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 14:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, puh-LEEZE. You could say hindsight was 20/20, but it would still prove people wrong.&quot;
um andrew, when someone predicts something ahead of time it is not hindsight. it is called foresight.

&quot;you have a blue chip pitcher and you want to take a chance on asking too much of him.&quot;
does that sink in at all? 

it was easy to predict because because it was early in the season and hughes did not have a pitch count  base down. he had been on an 85 pitch count limit in the minor leagues as is standard for that time of the year. he was losing velocity on every pitch over 75 in his first start. he was way below his normal velocity.  if he would have been called up even a month later he would have been stretched out to more pitches. whenever a pitcher goes beyond what he is used to doing, there is the potential for problems. 
hughes&#039; body was not in shape to be throwing pitches with that kind of intensity on the 83 pitch when he was hurt. if you don&#039;t understand that a pitcher throws with his whole body, you don&#039;t understand the biomechanics of pitching.
one of the problems with arguments on blogs is that the experience of the commentors is left out. from what you are saying , i&#039;m deducing that you have no experience with pitchers at all. i&#039;m also deducing that you haven&#039;t read much about pitching either.
so what knowlege base are you basing your points on? you seem to have no actual baseball experience with pitchers and you don&#039;t seem like you have studied  pitching like say will carrol of baseball prospectus. 
it was an easy to predict mistake rushing hughes. cashman made the decision. he was wrong and he&#039;s burned a blue chip pitcher. torre and guidry should have known better too.
it would have been no problem if hughes was pulled after 65-70 pitches. that&#039;s was his body limit at that point in his conditioning.
so i guess i should amend my criticism of cashman  and extend it to torre and guidry. 
and now, the yankee conditioning staff injures him again with the ankle while recovering from the hamstring. how many more of hughes&#039; body parts have to blow out before it dawns on you that maybe the yankee conditioning program is not doing  it&#039;s job. cashman is in charge of that program. you do the math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, puh-LEEZE. You could say hindsight was 20/20, but it would still prove people wrong.&#8221;<br />
um andrew, when someone predicts something ahead of time it is not hindsight. it is called foresight.</p>
<p>&#8220;you have a blue chip pitcher and you want to take a chance on asking too much of him.&#8221;<br />
does that sink in at all? </p>
<p>it was easy to predict because because it was early in the season and hughes did not have a pitch count  base down. he had been on an 85 pitch count limit in the minor leagues as is standard for that time of the year. he was losing velocity on every pitch over 75 in his first start. he was way below his normal velocity.  if he would have been called up even a month later he would have been stretched out to more pitches. whenever a pitcher goes beyond what he is used to doing, there is the potential for problems.<br />
hughes&#8217; body was not in shape to be throwing pitches with that kind of intensity on the 83 pitch when he was hurt. if you don&#8217;t understand that a pitcher throws with his whole body, you don&#8217;t understand the biomechanics of pitching.<br />
one of the problems with arguments on blogs is that the experience of the commentors is left out. from what you are saying , i&#8217;m deducing that you have no experience with pitchers at all. i&#8217;m also deducing that you haven&#8217;t read much about pitching either.<br />
so what knowlege base are you basing your points on? you seem to have no actual baseball experience with pitchers and you don&#8217;t seem like you have studied  pitching like say will carrol of baseball prospectus.<br />
it was an easy to predict mistake rushing hughes. cashman made the decision. he was wrong and he&#8217;s burned a blue chip pitcher. torre and guidry should have known better too.<br />
it would have been no problem if hughes was pulled after 65-70 pitches. that&#8217;s was his body limit at that point in his conditioning.<br />
so i guess i should amend my criticism of cashman  and extend it to torre and guidry.<br />
and now, the yankee conditioning staff injures him again with the ankle while recovering from the hamstring. how many more of hughes&#8217; body parts have to blow out before it dawns on you that maybe the yankee conditioning program is not doing  it&#8217;s job. cashman is in charge of that program. you do the math.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 10:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw in the paper the Yankees are trying to decide between Desalvo and Clippard. Where is the logic? Hello Clippard is the prospect here. This has been a year of injuries for the Yankees but also bad decisions. Sheffield for a guy with a bad arm. This was known too. He had been shutdown last year. The Randy Johnson deal. Was there a prospect in that deal?
Now we have to decide between Desalvo and Clippard? Hello is anyone awake in yankeeland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw in the paper the Yankees are trying to decide between Desalvo and Clippard. Where is the logic? Hello Clippard is the prospect here. This has been a year of injuries for the Yankees but also bad decisions. Sheffield for a guy with a bad arm. This was known too. He had been shutdown last year. The Randy Johnson deal. Was there a prospect in that deal?<br />
Now we have to decide between Desalvo and Clippard? Hello is anyone awake in yankeeland?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 04:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Hughes didn&#039;t work with Marty Miller. So you can&#039;t even blame anyone but lady luck herself. Hughes was pitching in the 90s all game during his no-hitter. It wouldn&#039;t have been a no-hitter if he was tiring. He overextended trying to bury a pitch to get the last out of the 7th inning of a no-hitter. Would&#039;ve happened in Scranton too.

Get back on your armchairs, GM-wannabes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Hughes didn&#8217;t work with Marty Miller. So you can&#8217;t even blame anyone but lady luck herself. Hughes was pitching in the 90s all game during his no-hitter. It wouldn&#8217;t have been a no-hitter if he was tiring. He overextended trying to bury a pitch to get the last out of the 7th inning of a no-hitter. Would&#8217;ve happened in Scranton too.</p>
<p>Get back on your armchairs, GM-wannabes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 03:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, puh-LEEZE. You could say hindsight was 20/20, but it would still prove people wrong.

Basically, you&#039;re arguing Hughes&#039; hamstring wasn&#039;t major-league ready. And now because of that, his ankle wasn&#039;t major-league ready. Next thing you know he&#039;s going to get a nose bleed and his nose won&#039;t be major-league ready and it was allll because they called him up too early. Bull. If it was an arm problem, I&#039;d agree with you. But because it was just another hamstring injury to another Yankee player, par for the course, all of that is complete nonsense. Unless you want to argue that Mussina wasn&#039;t major league ready during his start. Didn&#039;t think so.

Hindsight, Hughes was major league ready, and while they would have preferred to keep him in Scranton for a few more starts, there was no question it wasn&#039;t a bad decision. Listen, if you want someone to blame, blame Cashman for hiring Marty Miller, a guy who hadn&#039;t worked in baseball for years. But enough of this ridiculous &quot;this is all because they called him up early&quot; crap. It&#039;s been debunked again and again, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Troll logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, puh-LEEZE. You could say hindsight was 20/20, but it would still prove people wrong.</p>
<p>Basically, you&#8217;re arguing Hughes&#8217; hamstring wasn&#8217;t major-league ready. And now because of that, his ankle wasn&#8217;t major-league ready. Next thing you know he&#8217;s going to get a nose bleed and his nose won&#8217;t be major-league ready and it was allll because they called him up too early. Bull. If it was an arm problem, I&#8217;d agree with you. But because it was just another hamstring injury to another Yankee player, par for the course, all of that is complete nonsense. Unless you want to argue that Mussina wasn&#8217;t major league ready during his start. Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Hindsight, Hughes was major league ready, and while they would have preferred to keep him in Scranton for a few more starts, there was no question it wasn&#8217;t a bad decision. Listen, if you want someone to blame, blame Cashman for hiring Marty Miller, a guy who hadn&#8217;t worked in baseball for years. But enough of this ridiculous &#8220;this is all because they called him up early&#8221; crap. It&#8217;s been debunked again and again, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Troll logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 03:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really doesn&#039;t matter. He shouldn&#039;t have been called up when he did. It was a desperation move. He shouldn&#039;t be on the 25 till next season at the earliest.
So, who cares if he is or is not out. He still has some stuff to work on. He tore his hamstring overthrowing a breaking pitch. Rookie mistake and shows he isn&#039;t ready as he isn&#039;t comfortable with his offspeed stuff. 

With Clemens coming in and Clip as the 5th starter, we are fine with starters.
What we need are relievers.

Option down DeSalvo and let&#039;s get Britton up here to throw a few and see how he does. If it doesn&#039;t work, we send him back down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really doesn&#8217;t matter. He shouldn&#8217;t have been called up when he did. It was a desperation move. He shouldn&#8217;t be on the 25 till next season at the earliest.<br />
So, who cares if he is or is not out. He still has some stuff to work on. He tore his hamstring overthrowing a breaking pitch. Rookie mistake and shows he isn&#8217;t ready as he isn&#8217;t comfortable with his offspeed stuff. </p>
<p>With Clemens coming in and Clip as the 5th starter, we are fine with starters.<br />
What we need are relievers.</p>
<p>Option down DeSalvo and let&#8217;s get Britton up here to throw a few and see how he does. If it doesn&#8217;t work, we send him back down.</p>
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		<title>By: Donatello Giannini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donatello Giannini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 03:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looking around to see what players were available as FA or could be had by the trade deadline... just looking. I came across Dan Miceli as being a free agent. Tampa Bay released him at the end of March. Apparantly no one picked him up. Anyone know why? Is he broken or just fell apart? I remember him being a fairly strong arm in the pen for the Astros...could be a decent pick up... maybe....Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking around to see what players were available as FA or could be had by the trade deadline&#8230; just looking. I came across Dan Miceli as being a free agent. Tampa Bay released him at the end of March. Apparantly no one picked him up. Anyone know why? Is he broken or just fell apart? I remember him being a fairly strong arm in the pen for the Astros&#8230;could be a decent pick up&#8230; maybe&#8230;.Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: randy l</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 02:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;SJ44 April 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Randy,
Very good points. He did seem to tire after 75 pitches.
The talent is there. I really wish though, they didnâ€™t call him up this soon.
But, the cat is out of the bag now. Its gonna be tough to send him down unless some other guys step up in the rotation.
Its definitely not the optimum way to do it though.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;SJ44 April 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pm<br />
Randy,<br />
Very good points. He did seem to tire after 75 pitches.<br />
The talent is there. I really wish though, they didnâ€™t call him up this soon.<br />
But, the cat is out of the bag now. Its gonna be tough to send him down unless some other guys step up in the rotation.<br />
Its definitely not the optimum way to do it though.&#8221;</p>
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