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2,000 wins as manager

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 08, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

1. Connie Mack 3,731
2. John McGraw 2,763
3. Tony LaRussa 2,323
4. Bobby Cox 2,204
5. Sparky Anderson 2,194
6. Bucky Harris 2,157
7. Joe McCarthy 2,125
8. Walter Alston 2,040
9. Leo Durocher 2,008
10. Joe Torre 2,000

Torre is the only man on the list also to get 2,000 hits as a player.

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34 Responses to “2,000 wins as manager”

  1. TJ June 8th, 2007 at 12:26 am

    Congratulations to Joe

  2. Nic June 8th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Congratulations Mr. Torre… WELL deserved… you’ve been one hell of a pleasure to root since ’96… I’ll be sad to see you go.

  3. Josh June 8th, 2007 at 12:36 am

    i guess for all the **** we give him hes pretty darn good lol

  4. Joe da man June 8th, 2007 at 12:38 am

    Great job, Mr. Torre. You are in rarified air there. I expect him to get the 8th slot, but will sadly fall short of the 7th.

  5. David June 8th, 2007 at 12:39 am

    He isn’t good. He’s been given great teams over the years. Congrats on the milestone, but he’s still a poor manager.

  6. Miguel June 8th, 2007 at 12:40 am

    He’s overrated. He only got all those hits because he used such good bats.

  7. Joe June 8th, 2007 at 12:45 am

    “He isn’t good. He’s been given great teams over the years. Congrats on the milestone, but he’s still a poor manager.”

    Yea,when we play good it’s inspite of him but when we play bad it’s his fault :roll:

    When are people going to realize “bad descions” are based on the results of what players do on the field.

    People will always blame the manager…..Just look at Chicago there already down on Pinella… People never blame the guy that gives up the run they balme the guy that put him in

  8. grabsomebench June 8th, 2007 at 12:46 am

    Clueless Joe owes a ton of gratitude to Buck and Stick. And Yankee fans must never forget that Clueless Joe is the only manager who would have ever let Jeff Weaver decide a World Series game over Mariano Rivera. Torre is a brain-dead hack who was given a gift of a Yankee team that managed itself with the Rivera/Wetteland combo and the Stanton/Nelson/Rivera trifecta. We all see what he does when he actually has to MANAGE game situations.

    Just look at the dolt’s record before he came to NY. He got the name CLUELESS JOE for a reason.

  9. Matt June 8th, 2007 at 12:56 am

    I really like Joe and think he gets too much flak. He makes mistakes, but no more than any other manager. The only think I’ll always hold against him is that 04 ALCS.

  10. Carson June 8th, 2007 at 12:56 am

    Man, there are some dumb people on this board.

    “PFFT I COULDA GOTTEN 8000 WINS IF I HAD PLAYERS TOO!”

    Seriously, people. Give it a rest. You won’t know how good of a manager he was until he leaves. To think some of us fans were so ungrateful that we actually booed the man that gave us 4 WS titles.

    Until one of you goes out and actually manages a team, hush.

  11. NYYfan22 June 8th, 2007 at 12:57 am

    grabmesomebench: I used to think Joe was one of the great ones, but now I see the light. thanks for swaying me. lol

    Such a fluke that a brain-dead hack like him could get 2000 wins. lol great post. I bet you think Francona is better…

  12. Billy Mo June 8th, 2007 at 1:02 am

    I think 2,000 wins and 4 rings speaks for itself. To many people in these comments the last few weeks have been all to quick to want to sweep Joe out and completely ignore his track record. Go find me another manager with his credentials or one who the players love playing for more. The Yanks are getting it together now, they’ll make the playoffs, no question. Then its just a matter of what team gets hot for those 3 weeks.

  13. joe June 8th, 2007 at 1:04 am

    congrats mr torre.

    Thats a pretty cool feat being the first to 2000 hits and 2000 managerial wins.

    For all of his critics: you may want to check out how much worse his atlanta teams were after he was fired as manager. I admit that he isnt the best in game manager around, but his strengths outweigh that. As someone who lived through the billy martin years, and the craziness that was the 70s and 80s, you cannot underestimate the importance of joe torre’s ability to shield the clubhouse from the craziness from above, allowing the players to focus on baseball.

    we ARE gonna miss him when he is gone, and all you johnny come lately yankee fans will then realize how good we have it with torre in the dugout.

  14. Global Warming June 8th, 2007 at 1:19 am

    Congrats to the future Hall of Famer.

  15. Miguel June 8th, 2007 at 1:25 am

    He gets the name Clueless Joe from clueless fans…if you think you have any idea what it takes to be a winner on the Big Stage…

  16. susan mullen June 8th, 2007 at 1:32 am

    Many are unaware the “Rivera-Wetteland combo” lasted exactly 1 year, 1996. Wetteland was gone after that. Since then it has been the Rivera-Rivera combo, as he hasn’t just been used for cheap saves, has always done multi-innings, men on base, etc., and is always expected to have more in the tank for multi-inning appearances (as opposed to cookie saves)in the post season (see 2003 ALCS). As for the great bats, check out the 2001 post season and see no bats at all. The 2001 ALDS Yankees lost the first 2 games to Oakland. Game 3, the elimination game, was finally won by the Yankees with the raucous score of 1-0. 7IP Mussina, 2IP Mariano Rivera. More recently see Sept. 2005 for Rivera saving the season, pitching 3 days in a row twice in a 2 week period. He saved or won 6 one-run games in a 2 week span in Sept. 2005. They needed every pitch as they only tied the Red Sox that year, winning the AL East title by virtue of winning more games v Boston in the series against each other.

  17. Seth June 8th, 2007 at 1:33 am

    Incredible.

    Joe Torre is one of the greatest managers of all time.

    BTW, Pete, what are ARod’s updated 9th inning stats?

  18. Stuart June 8th, 2007 at 2:05 am

    Torre is a guarantee at Cooperstown…

    wow has Phelps gone out of favor fast……………………

    Melky can play….He is a good defender who is a pretty good hitter he is 22 yrs old and fearless………

  19. Miguel June 8th, 2007 at 2:07 am

    Good post Susan. if your comment about “great bats” was a response to my first post…note that I was being sarcastic and saying that the only reason he got 2000 hits as a player is because he used quality bats…obviously this is asenine, but not that much sillier than those who insinuate that he is successful as a manager merely because he has had good players. If this was not meant for me than please disregard…

    I’m a big fan of the Truth, so, for those who consistently bring up the Jeff Weaver 2003 World Series…consider this…the bullpen at the time consisted of 3 lefties (Felix Heredia, Chris Hammond, and Gabe White), Mariano and Weaver. Nelson and Contreras, the other two righty relievers, had been used.

    If Joe had brought in one of the lefties to face the Marlins mostly righty hitting team, and Alex Gonzalez hit a home run off of a lefty, you’d be screaming that Joe brought in a lefty to face a righty, any idiot knows that you bring in RHPs to face righty hitters.

    Mariano had pitched two innings to get the save in Game 3, and was still feeling the effects from pitching 3 innings in the Game 7 ALCS win over the Red Sox. Joe was not gonna use him two innings for two straight days, especially with another game set for the next day. Mariano was going to be used for a 1-inning save when the Yankees got the lead. Otherwise, you all would be criticizing Torre for overusing Mariano (and here’s where the clueless fans come into play again…Torre knows so much infinitely more about how his guys are feeling and what they are capable of than any of us ever could from our couches or computer monitors…)

    So now, seeing as how Weaver was facing the Marlins’ bottom of the order and had pitched a 1-2-3 inning previously, the move makes a little more sense. Or, he could’ve used Mo for 1 inning to get out the Marlins’ worst hitters. Then, when the Yankees took the lead, he could’ve brought in Weaver or any of the weak lefties to close the game out against Miguel Cabrera and Pudge Rodriguez. That would’ve been brilliant managing…not!

    Hindsight is 20-20 but really, after a detailed analysis of the facts (as opposed to blind second-guessing), the move makes a lot of sense.

    The real goat in that game was not Weaver or Torre but Aaron Boone, who was the hero just days earlier. Boone struck out with the bases loaded and one out in the top half of the 11th inning. He HAS TO get the runner from third in. The Goat runner-up(s) would be the Yankees front office, that bullpen was the worst bullpen Torre has had as Yankee manager. (Jose Contreras was the setup man…)

    So there you have it…this is what really happened that night. My aim is to educate and inform. All these facts can be confirmed at http://www.baseball-reference.com. This is all absolutely true. Of course, don’t let facts get in the way of Torre bashing.

    Congratulations Joe Torre. the rest of you have a good night.

  20. Patrick June 8th, 2007 at 2:13 am

    He really is a great manager and doesn’t get nearly enough credit from Yankee fans.

  21. Thrillington June 8th, 2007 at 2:21 am

    I for one will miss him when he’s gone. Who gets to see a team that’s had this kind of run over the last 12 years and, hopefully, still counting? Joe’s been at the helm since ’96. We’re lucky fans.

    Congratulations Joe Torre!!!

  22. Jim Clark June 8th, 2007 at 2:39 am

    Hit Totals by managers with 2,000+ wins

    Connie Mack 659
    John McGraw 1309
    Tony LaRussa 35
    Bobby Cox 141
    Sparky Anderson 104
    Bucky Harris 1297
    Joe McCarthy 0
    Walter Alston 0
    Le Durocher 1320
    Joe Torre 2342

  23. Miguel June 8th, 2007 at 2:47 am

    Joe Torre was a really good player. I wonder how much that helps him as a manager….if it helps his players relate to him bettter or respect him more.

  24. EricNS June 8th, 2007 at 5:47 am

    Congrats Joe – he makes mistakes and some have cost but he also managed briliantly such as in Game 5 of 96 to give one example.

  25. KMT June 8th, 2007 at 6:38 am

    2000 wins is a lot. Torre also had a lot, no, A LOT of talent to work with while managing the Yankees. It’s amazing to hear some people say he’s a GREAT manager and others say he’s CLUELESS Joe who benefited from managing the best team in baseball for over a decade.

    I’d say he’s weak in some areas (like in game strategy) and strong in others (dealing with players.) Give the man his due where he deserves it. There aren’t many managers that can cut it in NY for so long.

    - KMT

  26. y. June 8th, 2007 at 8:47 am

    this probably means he will finish his career at number 8 all time…
    (assuming he is done after this year…)

    also, how does lerussa have only 35 hits!!!?

  27. Frank Discussion June 8th, 2007 at 10:11 am

    Congrats Joe, take a moment to bask in the well deserved spotlight.

  28. Midaz June 8th, 2007 at 10:12 am

    Managing a team that is full of talent (and especially high-paid talent) is a huge challenge in and of itself. Add playing in New York City (under George) to the mix, and you have a very combustible situation on your hands. Nobody manages his players better than Torre. Paulie and Girardi said it a couple of nights ago: Joe knows what to say to a player to get him motivated and to keep him focused.

    I hope that he sticks around for a few more years. Maybe start putting some rings on the other hand, after he gets one for the thumb this year, of course!

  29. KW June 8th, 2007 at 10:25 am

    Miguel are you really arguing that a Manager controls what his players do on the field similarly to how a batter controls a baseball bat?

    Joe Torre is a average manager who has had the privilege of managing the most talented team in baseball. We could certainly do worse, but we could probably do better. The only reason we would miss him when he was gone is if they replaced him with a below average manager, and that would hardly prove anything about Torre’s skill.

  30. Travis Bickle June 8th, 2007 at 10:55 am

    Grabsomebench should do likewise. Have you forgot in the 5th game of the 95 playoffs when Cone couldn`t find the plate in the 9th? Rivera was unhittable in that series. But your buddy Buck stuck with a spent David Cone who walked in the tying run and the rest is history. If Torre was there he would have made the right decision as he never cares about who is pitching just how is he pitching. Buck was more concerned with being second guessed by bringing in a rookie.

  31. trf June 8th, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    The comments about Torre’s success only because he had such good players made me think of what Casey Stengel said when he joined the Yankees: “There is less wrong with this club than with any club I managed before.”

  32. Dr. Acula June 10th, 2007 at 6:21 am

    + *bold* +

  33. Dr. Acula June 10th, 2007 at 6:21 am

    +*bold*+

  34. Global Warming June 10th, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    Payroll and talent don’t equal playoffs and sucess.

    Ask the 2006 Red Sox.

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