I’m very interested in this prospect… Does anyone have a scouting report? Has anyone seen him pitch?

I hate to tell you but, Edwar Ramirez is not a better pitcher than Kyle Farnsworth or Luis Vizcaino. Just because somebody is pitching well in AAA doesn’t mean he is better than established major league pitchers.

If you put Farnsworth and Vizcaino in AAA, they would also dominate that level of competition.

Don’t discount experience at the major league level. It matters.

You discount experience and cite one example of a guy helping a team in a playoff run. A pitcher, BTW, who is better than Ramirez will ever be.

The Yankees have thrown more rookie pitchers this year than any season in recent history. Its one of the reasons why they are fighting to get back in the race right now.

Let’s not get too carried away by Ramirez. He’s a nice prospect. He’s not can’t miss and he isn’t better than Vizcaino or Farnsworth. Its not even close.

If he was, they wouldn’t have had to pull him out of an independent league a few years ago to get him in the system.

Here’s the thing. Hitters in AAA, and other levels of the minor leagues, often strikout against good changeups. They don’t see that many of them and they are all geared to hit fastballs. They are still in the infancy stage of their development and don’t adjust well to off speed stuff.

At the major league level, these guys are so good, they can sit on that pitch and still adjust to a lot of guys fastballs.

Also, major league hitters foul off pitches that minor league guys miss. That’s why you see a guy like DeSalvo averaging 7 K’s a game since he was sent back to Scranton.

Its awfully tough to ask a rookie with one plus pitch, to pitch 8th innings for a playoff contender.

Ideally, if the Yankees were to move a guy like Farnsworth at the deadline, and they had somebody from the current staff be a reliable 8th inning option, you can call up Edwar to be a quasi-long man (5th-6th inning guy).

He can fool some guys in those innings and be a bridge to the later innings. That would be the ideal way to work him into the mix.

To just look at minor league stats and decide, “he’s the guy”, is fools gold.

If it was that much of a sure thing, he would already be with the Yankees, since I am sure they don’t like the inconsistency in their bullpen at this time.

But could Edwar help this team? Yes.

Would I rather see Edwar than Farnsworth or Vizcaino? Yes to that also.

That’s the point. The guy does well, give him an opportunity. Nothing can be more deflating to the guy than to kick butt at AA and AAA and not be called up, meanwhile a guy you should be replacing keeps stinking the joint out.

Sometimes, all someone needs is a chance.

To this day, Buck Showalter only wishes he knew what he had in 1995 with Mo.

You think it didn’t take guts for the Angels to entrust a lot of offseason innings to a 20 year old with 5 MLB games under his belt?

Come on.

5 MLB games…to 11 in that year’s postseason. That took guts and the courage of your convictions that the kid would help. I’ll applaud the Angels for that forever–it took guts, b***s, whatever you want to call it.

Bean would be a HOFer in the minor leauges as he has dominated. He does not have ML stuff.

You need something else to offset your above average change cause batters will be sitting on it.

Its not about age. Its about stuff.

It also has nothing to do with guts. It has to do with what to do to put the team in the best possible position to win.

To compare K-Rod with Edwar is an apples to oranges comparision due to the stuff each guy possesses.

Its not remotely comparable.

Four and a half years.

Same thing with Ramirez and Bean.

In each case, one is prospect material (Clip and Edwar) and the other isn’t (DeSalvo and Bean).

In the 2002 ALCS, the Angels had the guts to put a 20 year old with five MLB games on their postseason roster and use him–in the sixth, seventh, and yes, 8th innings. Heck, they used him in the 8th inning of GAME SEVEN of the World Series that year. He was Francisco Rodriguez.

Wish the Yanks showed the same courage and brought up Edwar. History shows players who got chances who helped their teams win–like K-Rod; Mel Stottlemyre in 1964; Bobby Jenks in 2005; Bob Hazle in 1957; Whitey Ford in 1950;

Who knows, maybe Edwar in 2007? You’ll never know unless you give him the chance.

We saw how it worked out for both of them in NY.

Its a whole different world at the major league level.

Edwar is a guy who can pitch 6th innings in NY right now. He is not the 8th inning answer nor is he a better alternative to having a veteran guy in that role.

I like Edwar and would like to see him in the Yankee bullpen (in a softer-type role) down the line.

Now? In the 8th inning? No way. Not ready for that type of move, IMO.

The stats don’t tell the entire story with pitchers. Just look to DeSalvo and Clippard’s numbers in AAA for verfication.

The best changeup in the Yankee system? Ramirez in a landslide. Second best? Daniel McCutcheon in Tampa. If Joba Chamberlain had McCutcheon’s changeup (McCutcheon taught him his change and he is working it into his starts), he would be in the majors right now. Its that good.

Edwar Ramirez (26 years old) 15 BB to 63 K’s

Who here had the audacity to compare Edwar to Colter Bean !!!

Lets get more into this

Colter Bean 7.27 ERA, 2.05 WHIP

Edwar Ramirez 0.76 ERA, 0.82 WHIP

again who here had the audacity to compare Edwar to Colter Bean !!!

sorry carry on…