Game 66: Mets at Yankees
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Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui LF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Cairo 1B
Clippard RHP
METS
Reyes SS
Beltran CF
Wright 3B
Delgado 1B
LoDuca DH
Green RF
Castro C
Gotay 2B
Gomez LF
Glavine LHP
Pregame chatter: The clubhouse opened to the media at 9:35 a.m. There were two Yankees present at that time: Kyle Farnsworth and Chien-Ming Wang. The Wanger put in a dip and went out for a run. That’s hard core.
Derek Jeter is riding a 10-game hit streak. He had had streaks of 20, 18 and 10 games this season and has hit safely in 56 of the 64 games he has played.
What’s happening with the Mets? Keep an eye on the LoHud Mets blog.
UPDATE, 12:01 p.m.: Joe Torre just told us that they are giving serious consideration to using Jorge Posada at first base on Tuesday in Colorado. With Wil Nieves set to catch Mike Mussina, the Yankees want to find a way to keep Posada’s bat in the lineup.
Posada has played 17 games at first in his career, the last one coming in 2006. He played there 12 times in 2000.
UPDATE, 1:21 p.m.: Did a little research this morning. The Mets are 9-7 against the Yankees since Willie Randolph became manager. The difference in those 16 games is only six runs. Nine of the games have been decided by one or two runs. The series has been entertaining.
UPDATE, 1:25 p.m.: I try and avoid politics at all costs on this blog. But it is interesting to note that rival television talking heads Keith Olberman (MSNBC) and Bill O’Reilly (Fox News) are at the game. O’Reilly went into the Mets clubhouse without a pass and was ejected by a security officer. He complained on his way out.
UPDATE, 1:31 p.m.: Jeter’s consistency is amazing. He has now hit safely in 57 of 65 games this season.
UPDATE, 2:03 p.m.: Here’s a thought, don’t walk Jose Reyes to lead off innings. The Yankees tie the game for Clippard and he walks Reyes on five pitches. That’s inexcusable.
UPDATE, 2:19 p.m.: Alex Rodriguez has 70 RBI. He didn’t get to 70 RBI until July 21 last season. How crazy is that?
This is a big couple of innings for Tyler Clippard. The Yanklees have given him the lead against Tom Glavine. I think either he holds it or we could see Kei Igawa in San Francisco next time through the rotation. 62 pitches through 3 innings is a terrible sign.
UPDATE, 2:24 p.m.: Unlike the Yankee Clipper, the Yankee Clippard is not long for the pinstripes. He’s thrown first-pitch strikes to 9 of the 18 battters he has faced. All three batters he has walked have scored. Kei Igawa, come on down. The Yankees didn’t spend $46 million to have him strike out AAA hitters.
UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: Clippard’s last two starts: 7 12 11 11 6 4 167 pitches. … Meanwhile, Tom Glavine is just as brutal today.
UPDATE, 3:19 p.m.: Sorry for the space between updates, the wireless is acting up here in the pressbox. … Well, we’re in a rain delay. It’s pretty much a tradition at the Subway Series. The Mets and Yankees could cure droughts by flying around the world and staging games. … Impressive work by, yes, Luiz Vizcaino today. … Every Yankees except Melky Cabrera has either scored a run or driven one in. … Miguel Cairo is 12 of 39 since he started playing every day.
OK, back later once the rain stops. I’ll post any announcements here.
UPDATE, 3:48 p.m.: They’re pulling the tarp now. Looking at a 3:55 p.m. resumption according to the Yankees. I suspecty it’ll be a few minutes after that as the field needs a little work.
Ever pull a tarp? I helped out once at a minor-league game. Those suckers are heavy unless you have a lot of people.
Covering the minors was a blast. There was a kid from Norwich taking early BP one day. The manager threw to him and nobody else was at the park yet. So I shagged the balls in right field. Roy White, a roving instructor, shagged in left. We get done and the manager asks me if I wanted to take a few hacks. Now more of the players have shown up. I stepped in, in sneakers, and took the first pitch. I hit the second pitch more or less to left field (OK, deep shortstop) and called it a day.
UPDATE, 4:51 p.m.: That’s 29 appearances are three 1-2-3 innings for Kyle Farnsworth. You can’t walk Ruben Gotay with a five-run lead. You just can’t. How can they ever send him out to protect a one-run lead in a playoff game?
UPDATE, 5:12 p.m.: It’s 11-6 in the 8th inning and the Mets have their infield in. Really? Because 12-6 is worse? I don’t get it.
UPDATE, 5:29 p.m.: I guess I get it now. Not a good job to let the tying run come to the plate here.
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Its time to start a NEW streak. I hope T-Clip is ready for today, we NEED this game to KEEP momentum.
Interesting to hear that Farnsy was there early. Also encouraging outing by Vizk yesterday. If those two pick it up, this bullpen could be dominant or should I say continue to be dominant.
put in a dip?
Vizcaino has pitched much better this month.
Its why I laugh at the people who repeatedly write, “DFA him” in this blog.
Its like they haven’t watched his outings this month.
Ever since Mo started working with him, he has been much better.
If he is indeed “fixed”, that’s going to go a long way into helping out the bullpen.
Dip chewing tobacco??
Pro Athletes shouldn’t do dip. Not only for health reasons, but to set a good example for the youngins who are watching.
What was Matsui’s rationale for getting picked off? If Gomez does not catch the ball Matsui scores and if it is a homer Matsui scores, that was a Cano like brain fart……..
The reason some of us do not like Vizciano is because he has pitched terribly basically since week 2 and when in CHicago a few yrs ago when they won it all they never used him when it matters he was a mop up guy… We have some young guys in the minors with potential if they never get the chance you will never know what they can do…….
Villone should be DFA when they add a OF before COlorado…
Much better lineup today – no Phelps!!
This isn’t a “potential” team. This is a “now” team. They aren’t looking to plug in rookies in the bullpen, unless they get killed by injuries again.
Look at the playoff calibur teams around baseball. How many of them have rookies pitching in important roles in the bullpen? Zero.
Okajima is a rookie in the States. He’s a 10 year vet of Japanese Baseball. He doesn’t count.
The rest of the AL playoff calibur teams all have veterans in the key roles in the bullpen.
You aren’t going to see the Yankees holding a tryout camp in the middle of June for rookie relief pitchers while they are fighting to get back in the playoff race.
Guys like Vizcaino have succeeded in the majors for several years. If given the chance to fix him or try out a rookie and DFA him (eating almost 3 million dollars of salary), the Yankees are going to try and fix Vizcaino. So far, it seems to be working. He is pitching much better than he has in the last 6 weeks. If that keeps up, it gives them a deeper bullpen and that’s going to be best for this team.
They also aren’t going to DFA Villone. They will send Henn back down to the minors when they add an OF for the West Coast trip. They don’t need to DFA Villone.
At this time of year, veteran pitching wins. Not rookies.
Villone is a guy who can pitch multiple innings and can help out the ‘pen when its overworked. I’d rather see him here than some rookie who NOBODY knows if he will be able to hack it in the majors.
Tampa Bay experiments with rookies in the bullpen. How’s that working out? The Yankees do not. Its the price to pay if you want to try to make a playoff run every year.
I would love to see Edwar Ramirez get a call up… apparently he’s got good control with a low 90’s fastball, and a ridiculous change-up. His strikeout rate is sky-high…
Its a great idea to use Jorge at first.
They can’t keep playing Phelps. He’s a disaster.
At some point, Cairo is going to level out and that’s also not good.
Nieves may not be able to hit but, he can catch.
He also makes contact consistently at the plate. Something Phelps can’t do.
Its one way around the Phelps problem and it also gives Jorge a break from catching.
I like the idea.
I love Jorge and all, but I can’t see him playing first. I was at the game in Balitmore when he played first and he didn’t look too good out there.
On Yankees BP, Alex just said something very interesting. His brother who is in the Marines, is now stationed in Virgina. He said he is now close to me so i plan on seeing him more. Looks like Alex plans to stay in NY.
Be careful about minor league stats. They are deceiving.
Ramirez’s stuff may be good enough to get AAA hitters out. Is it good enough to get big league hitters out?
That’s something scouts know and we don’t.
Its like looking at AAA hitters stats and deciding they can hit big league pitching.
I would like to see Ramirez get a shot but, where does he fit?
I wouldn’t DFA Vizcaino for Ramirez. I also like the fact they have a second lefty in the ‘pen with Villone in there.
Its a numbers game right now. Ideally, if they moved Farnsworth and somebody from the ‘pen could be trusted enough to handle the 8th inning, you could slot Ramirez in for 6th/7th inning work.
However, since none of the internal options have shown they can handle the 8th inning, that keeps Ramirez in the minors.
I’d rather he stay in the minors all year, and not be included in any trade talks, than bringing him up just to sit in the ‘pen.
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I disagree moving Posada to 1B.
Why not promote Phillips or obtain a cheap alternative,and send rule 5 Phelps back to the Orioles?
Phillips is better with the glove at 1B than Posada will be and better with the stick than Nieves is.
It is funny to me how the situation at first has been handled over the last few years. Giambi was a decent receiver but couldn’t throw to save his life.
The fire-drill with Sheffield last year was a joke and this year we come are holding open try-outs. i personally don’t need an all-star at every position (the dynasty teams didn’t have that) but it seems like we could free up roster spots if we solve this.
The best case would be for the various health/steroid/suspension clouds to clear and trade Giambi. I don’t think it is a coincidence that the team started rolling with him out.
I wouldn’t want to make too many changes at this point — the bullpen has thrown like 17 scoreless innings or whatever… but if injuries come up, I’d be curious to see Ramirez get a shot over someone like Britton.
I’m just a big fan of the change-up when used effectively.
I’m not into the DFA stuff or sending Phelps back to Baltimore — maybe when the Yankees have a more comfortable foothold in the division, but definitely not at this point kids.
Here at the game and thought that was Posada I saw taking plays at first after evryone else went in. Thanks for the update makes some sense and perhaps more sense then damon who has not played before might that mean for that game we see damon in cf
I think the answer to that is simple 21. They haven’t been able to find anybody to trade for and they don’t think Phillips is better right now.
Going to Colorado and SF is going to require them to callup another OF because both ballparks have huge OF’s.
When you read they are considering Posada at first for a game or two, it tells you the trade market is quiet, Phelps is soon to be done here, and they don’t think Phillips is a better option at the present time.
Doesn’t bringing Andy Phillips up have a lot of “red-tape” involved? Perhaps if they can’t keep him up here they have to get rid of him on waivers or something? Don’t know, but just thinking there must be a reason.
I think Jorge is a better option than Damon at this point, and certainly no works than Phelps. Cairo, strangely, needs a rest!
Yankees bullpen is abolutely dominant nowadays. Even though Mets won yesterday their offense is still stuggling. Tyler Clippard will should down the Mets and Make this rotation the best in the MLB.
Guys: Posada would play first for two interleague games. That’s it.
I thought the only reason he would play first would be for Moose’s start. Its not like we need more of Wil the Thril’s offensive fireworks.
Also – Posada is in an amazing offensive (contract) year. No way we will spare him any ABs.
Phelps doesn’t have a place on this team. They need to send him back to BAL.
Also they need to trade Vizcaino NOW> The only reason they held on to him for this long was becauce they were hopeing his value would rise with a couple good outings. Well he’s had a couple good outing so trade him NOW.
Mark Loretta or Scott Hatteburg would look really nice in a trade if we don’t give up a big-name prospect.
Jermey Aflect is a MUST, but they will have to wait until the deadline for him.
Too bad I can’t watch the game… Not on FOX, and is blacked out on my MLB.tv and satellite.
Why trade a guy if he is doing well for you? That doesn’t make any sense.
Some of you are so clouded by Vizcaino’s bad start, you lose all perspective.
If the guy is pitching well, why have him go elsewhere where the bullpen is an area where they need all the consistent help they can get?
Also, what trade market do you think Vizcaino has? Probably, next to none.
They need a RH bat, not another lefty. Hatteberg hits LH so, I don’t see how that helps them.
They have have to find a RH bat or a SH if they are going to upgrade first base. Another lefty doesn’t help this team’s problems with LH pitching.
http://www.myp2p.eu watch the game for free!!!!!!
Ah…good ol’ copenhagen. that takes me back.
just download the SOP player
SJ you have all the answers rookies don’t make it here in NY…I know the angels said the same thing a few yrs ago with Krod and this yr with Dustin Mosely there 7th inning guy.
how crazy to use a non 30 yr old in a big situation. BTW Okajima in Japan was not that good, he is a big suprise.. Wow guys are given a chance and once in a while they come thru, no way….Impossible…
SJ how is your scouting job going? Man you are an expert.. No way a fat reliever or a twig can pitch in MLB..
You have to be over 30 and on the way down…..
Phelps is striking out a ton and his fielding is really scary so 1B will continue to be a problem as it has for yrs…It is amazing they cannot resolve this issue…Csiro has the intangibles handled but his offensive limitations are an issue…
i’m surprised the wanger was dipping. mlb’s done a remarkable job with keeping that on the low. i remember years ago when they had a pretty active campaign against it and now all i see on tv is gum and seeds. i even heard torre talking about chewing on a peach pit for a while there.
Why is the game blacked out on mlb.tv? Hopefully I can at least listen on XM!
beth…i’m not advocating it, but some people have changed their proxy settings in the past to access the games on saturdays. it’s pretty easy (but i wouldn’t know)
. just google it and enjoy!
I would also like to see E. Ramirez get a chance. He has a 70 changeup on a 20-80 scale which is absolutely ridiculous.
You can watch the game on http://www.myp2p.eu you just need to download the SOP player
How can I download the SOP player…? I tried clicking “Play” but it just brings me to a page saying “Page cannot be displayed”.
Please link me to the SOP player if you can. Thanks
Well Clip is off to a good start. You walk the first guy, better be awake for the steal.
Christ walkng Reyes should be grounds for the death penalty
“beth…i’m not advocating it, but some people have changed their proxy settings in the past to access the games on saturdays. it’s pretty easy (but i wouldn’t know)
. just google it and enjoy!”
What would you change your proxy to?
Thanks Bryan, never heard of that site before but now I can watch all the games
Dustin Mosely has pitched 7th innings because Justin Speier, the guy the Angels gave 15 million bucks to in the off-season, is on the DL.
Hector Carrasco has pitched more 7th innings than Mosely this year and he is a vet.
What makes you think that every rookie is automatically going to succeed in NY?
You make it sound like every rookie is a better option than what they have on the roster at the present time.
Rookies have a hard time making it in NY. Its not my opinion, its a fact.
Clippard is a rookie and how’s that working out? He can’t throw the ball over the plate.
Stuart, you want to DFA every veteran that stuggles and replace them with rookies. Thankfully, you aren’t the GM or the Yankees would be the Devil Rays.
http://www.myp2p.eu/Programs/Sopcast.htm
Thank you, Bryan.
bill, find a proxy in canada or australia. google proxy list and a bunch of proxies come up. on a mac using firefox, just open preferences and connection settings. select manual proxy and enter in the proxy and port. voila. no more blackouts. i hope MLB will take care of this BS one day. it really hurts fans…especially if they’re shelling out that much money for mlb.tv/extra innings.
No problem.. anyway I can help screw MLB and their blackout garbage
You are putting Pete in bad position.
Jeter really has no range to his left at all..
Sounds like someone is already getting thrown out. I hear the ahole chants. LOL
Whatever range Jeter might have gained after recovering from the 2003 shoulder injury is gone. It’s really pathetic.
Jorge is getting no help from these pitchers on stolen bases. Why are stolen bases counted against the catcher. It doesn’t seem right.
SJ Carrasco stinks, mosely is the 7th inning guy. yes it was speiers postition but he got hurt and the younger guy has earned it…
Villone is 35 or older, had a terrible 2nd half and may eat innings but he eats them porrly.
The Yanks have been on a 10 yr kick in which they only use young guys if absolutely neccessarry with no alternative, that to me is a bad way of operating..
Sigh….not being able to bring in the RISP reminds me of last year.
if Clippard does not throw strikes send him down it is not a ge thing it is a performance thing…
That first called strike on ARod was an absolutely awful call. That was more than 6″ inside
Hopefully, Froemming will give that call to Clippard, too
Ha! Hilarious about O’Reilly. The Factor attended college in my hometown upstate. I actually heard he tried out for the Mets back in the day and didn’t make the team. Looks like its not the first time the Mets rejected him.
With that, Froemming doesn’t give Clippard an inside strike on 2-1…
I know Jeter’s consistant and all, but when’s he gonna get a new haircut? It’s been, what, 11 years now?
Hehe Bill O Reilly, what a pinhead.
Obviously Clippard lost it. He has guts but he needs to go.
Kei is pitching well in AAA and seems to have worked stuff out. Time to try out Kei again. Clippard needs more time in AAA.
Naomi, LOL. I concur 100%.
Its not just going “young”. The younger players have to be able to get the job done.
Cano, Wang, Cabrera, Hughes, Bruney and Proctor have been younger players who have found their way into the Yankee lineup the past couple of years. That’s better than its been in the past. That’s 25% of roster turned over for younger players. I can live with that.
The Yankees had no problem giving the ball to a 20 year old kid (Hughes) a year ahead of schedule.
The bullpen? Awfully hard to break into that bullpen when you have guys who are vets in there. That said, they did mainstream Proctor and Bruney in the last couple of years.
You can’t compare lefties with righties. Lefties will always have a longer leash because there are so few LH relief pitchers.
So, comparing Villone to Ramirez or Britton is not an apples to apples argument.
Farnsworth, Vizcaino, Proctor, and Bruney are the guys in front of Ramirez and Britton. You can’t just DFA guys to put untried rookies in that situation.
We are seeing the risk of going young with Clippard. He can’t throw consistent strikes (so he’s not getting the borderline calls), constantly pitches in bad counts, and gives up runs every inning.
He’s not yet able to keep his team in games.
The Yankees can’t afford to just give games away playing young players at this point in the season.
Right now, the smart move would be to just take him out, put Villone in, and look for him to take care of things for few innings.
Tyler Clippard is not ready to be a consistent performer at this level. Its pretty clear this is probably his last start. No sense prolonging it.
Its just putrid pitching and NY is not the place to learn on the job.
Maybe in other markets, but not here.
thank you for the insight naomi. would you also like to change the pinstripes to a tasteful plaid???
It would be nice to get the bats going against Glavine today and El Duque tomorrow. Getting shutout by Perez last night was one thing, but if their offensive futility continues against Glavine and El Duque, that’s just inexcusable. At one time these guys were great pitchers, but by any measure they are no longer at the top of their careers. Besides, neither has dominating stuff. Yanks need to bear down and hit these guys… Being swept at home by the Mets would effectively wipeout all the momentum and good feelings from that 9-game win streak, that’s for sure!
Come on Miggy, let’s go!
What happened to the patience at the plate?!
i dont have fun watching clippard pitch at all.. i think its time to send him back up and see if igawa is straightened out on the MLB level
TK, in the words of Costanza, how bout we change the polyster to cotton.
Got the runs needed to get back in the game. Now, its up to Clippard to put up some zeroes.
I wouldn’t have a long leash with him. If he can’t throw strikes, they have to get him out of there.
I’d have Villone up to start the inning and if puts Beltran on to start the third, gotta get him out of there.
This isn’t a tryout camp. If the kid is afraid to throw strikes, which seems to be the case, Joe has to get him out of there.
Thank god, a hit with RISP! Let’s see lots more of that today!!
Patience, small ball, and a clutch hit by Damon
New game
We are also seeing the advantage of Phelps being out of the lineup and Damon in. Melky is better suited lower in the order. Cairo can make contact and Damon can work counts and drive in runs.
The lineup really hurt them last night when Damon couldn’t go. They got stuck with the wrong guys at the plate in key situations.
Yes, what happened to the Clippard that we saw in his debut against the Mets? He was much more agressive then… Seems that a little bit of Matt DeSalvo has rubbed off on him since then, though…
Okajima has me puzled. 3.57 career era in japan. WHIP of 1.3, decent ks, but more walks. Hasn’t pitched more than 55 innings in 5 eyars. 9.39 k/9, 4.15 bb/9, 7.56 hits/9, .91 hrs/9. In Japan.
He has much better control here. He learned a new pitch, got better control, or hitters in majors don’t know him yet, and swing from heels to much. His hit rate on balls in play is pretty low, despite still a nice k rate.
I think he’ll get burned out by the innings, and hitters will get a book on him. His numbers in Japan suggest someone no better than Proctor in majors, without the rubber arm.
WHy are we so stupid with Reyes? What’s to be scared of when he’s at the plate? Why walk him? Put one under his chin Clippard!
Memo to SJ44…….Find a RH power stick that can play 1B…..If Clippard has a decent outing today, they’ll keep with the Big Club…..As for the pen, SJ is right about the makeup of the pen….Bruney pitched lights out last September and was placed on the Postseason roster….That’s more of the exception than the rule….I remember the Angels placed Frankie ( K-Rod ) Rodriguez on their 02 postseason roster…I’m certain we all recall 2002 and K-Rod….Farnsworth is the one they’ll try to move in a package for a RH stick…
Gotta get him out of there. Completely inexcusable to walk Reyes again.
You can’t pitch like that and stay in the game. That’s how you give runs back and that’s how you end up back in Scranton.
He’s not ready to pitch up here.
ugh, walking double. now at third 1 out. why walk him?
Actually, loking at Okajima’s numbers in Japan, you’d think there’s he would not be as good as Proctor circa 2006.
Proctor is coming around again, though.
Okajima’s oba and slugging against is in the .210 area. That’s phenomenal. can’t last, in my opinion.
that was a nice shot of the Wanger with said dip.
No excuse for walking Reyes to lead the inning off AGAIN. If I had more faith in the pen, I would teach the kid a lesson by embarrasing him and taking him out. I would not pitch carefully to Reyes at all in this situation. Just throw the heat, see what he does with it. If he parks it in the seats, no big deal. Not only that but right after he walks him, Posada or Gator has to go talk to him. Not after 2 or 3 pitches but right away.
gotta be kidding me
look at LA with youngsters like Billingsley and broxton. Shesh, Joe Smith was at Wichita State last year. I say give britton a shot. I still like proctor, though.
that’s the only way delgado can get a run in these days. Try to get a BS alk call.
This will be Clippard’s last start here. He can’t throw the ball over the plate and can’t keep the team in games.
Leadoff walks in every inning is not the way to keep your job.
You can’t keep playing uphill against good teams.
Its why minor league stats can be VERY deceiving. If you look at his minor league numbers, you don’t see control issues.
At the ML level, you get away with a lot less and you can see this kid’s stuff is not good enough to miss a lot of bats.
Consequently, he tries to be too fine, pitches in a ton of bad counts, walks too many people and gives up a run an inning.
Now, he balks the run in. Beautiful.
Gotta get him out of there. At this point, he’s just embarrassing himself and killing the team.
He’s completely overmatched at this level.
Back to Scranton and time for Igawa II.
Tough to be successful pitching like this at any level.
Blacked out. What happened on the balk?
Clippard made a rookie mistake in assuming time was called because the batter called for it.
I can’t fault him for that one. Rookies make rookie mistakes and then never make them again.
The mets are stealing us blind. Luckily a we got a few key runs across the board in the bottom half of the 2nd. Now Clip just has to settle down and the offense needs to step up.
not myp2p.eu mel?
Absolute bullcrap on the balk
Delgado called time, and it sure looked like time was granted
Thanks again, Bruce Froemming. Time to hang em up
Yeah it’s Clippard’s fault he walked Reyes – again… but absolute nonsense
I agree that Igawa is coming back up. Cashman just about said as much on Mike & The Mad Dog yesterday. Igawa’s change-up has apparently been fixed and that was the missing ingredient in the first stint.
I didn’t like the way that he was up in the zone all the time but I don’t have any patience for lead-off walks so I think we’ll see the promotion.
Clippard will eventually trust his stuff enough. He doesn’t have great stuff, but probably good enough. It takes time to succeed sometimes as that type of pitcher. Look at Glavine’s first year with Braves. 16 ks in 23 innings doesn’t suggest he can’t miss a bat. Too many walks, and then home runs when he grooves one.
But yeah, no time to learn for a Yankees like team. He’s young. He’d be better off in AAA for now, or mop up work in majors, like the Orioles used to always do to bring guys along in the old Palmer/Cueller/Dobson/Mcnally days.
It is Igawa time again.
I have an idea – since no one has any patience for our young guys and call-ups, lets just get rid of our entire minor league system and buy another Major League team to use as our AAA. Maybe Selig would sell George the Brewers. We could call up Sheets and Fielder. Maybe then everyone would be happy.
Hey Peter (or anyone)
Do you know where I might find this stat?
I’d like to know the % of time that when a batter reaches base, he ends up safely on third.
The two walks to Reyes made me think of it. Walks and singles by Reyes seem to regularly end up with him on third base later in the inning. I’d like to know what his % is.
No, Clippard needs to be out of there and they need to stop holding a damn regular season tryout camp.
The kid is overmatched at this level. You got 3 innings, a ton of bad pitches, and 3 runs from him today. Get him out of there before it gets any worse.
He can’t pitch up here right now. Too young, horrible delivery, which is the source of his troubles, and absolutely no concept of game situations.
Igawa may not be any better but, they have 46 million reasons why he has to get the Thursday start in Colorado.
This experiment with Clippard has to come to an end.
That’s it, Clippard is not fit to be in the Yankees rotation anymore after this start. The Yanks should send him right back to AAA-Scranton after today and call up Kei Igawa to take his place in the rotation for my guess 6/23 at San Francisco, 6/29 vs. Oakland,
7/4 vs. Minnesota. Hopefully Igawa is decent enough in these 3 starts to start 7/16, the fifth game after the All-Star Break. Cashman needs to work the phones for a fifth starter even with Igawa because this audition for the fifth starter job has to stop!!! He has until 7/31 to get a competent #5. If the Yanks don’t solidify the #5, they are going NOWHERE
cuz how they putting together another significant winning streak (say 7 or more games) or making any kind of decent run with a suckass once every 5 games? Igawa is no guarantee to be good either.
Unbelievable
crushed
That was a bomb
All of you complaining Clippard should be pulled and sent down are the ones who were on their knees in front of him after his debut. He’s 20 years old, if he isnt ready, dont put the blame on him.
He did that for V-Rod
okay…cashmoney’s gonna have to change his stance on a-rod. time to dance with the devil.
hes not 20 years old
All of you complaining Clippard should be pulled and sent down are the ones who were on their knees in front of him after his debut. He’s 20 years old, if he isnt ready, dont put the blame on him.
Just because he should be sent down and isn’t ready to pitch in the ML’s doesn’t mean he’s a bust.
With days off, go with a 4 man rotation and Kei in the bullpen. If a 5th is needed, send in Kei. Clippard and his yellow teeth need to go away.
absolute bomb by arod and glavine got lucky there jorge and matsui just missed
I don’t think anybody is blaming T-Clip. We’re just ready to try someone who won’t walk the lead-off man.
He is 22. I like Clippard. I think he will be a decent mid rotation starter, with some even better years. A la Jon Liebr in his prime (not saying he pitches like him).
But he IS nibbling way too much. A full season at triple A is fine for him. Or mop up duty, but they don’t have the bullpen space, and that would be better next eyar, perhaps.
Look at Guthrie on Orioles. He wa a first round pick but stunk for several years, now he is 28 and pitching lights out. may not last, but for him it is control this year.
I don’t suggest dumping the farm system. Try Igawa, and i said bring britton back. he was born to be a middle innings dude, so not setting him back to use him as such.
Matsui and Posada JUST missed homers
Patience is key – good to see the guys taking pitches again. The general approach today is solid once again
As far as Clippard – let’s see how he responds.
Interesting stat – Clippard’s numbers are much worse at the Stadium than on the road. You wonder if he’s getting too amped up pitching at home.
Here’s the tough part for Clippard – as soon as Hughes is back (August), Clippard’s behind Hughes. He may end up behind Runnelvys Hernandez or Igawa… and you’ve got Marquez, Horne, Chamberlain and Kennedy, ALL with better stuff, coming up
Big inning – Clippard’s gotta hold the Mets down here
Its not a question of not having patience, or scraping the minor league system. Its a question of seeing quite clearly a kid that isn’t ready to pitch in the majors and have success.
Just because somebody is “young” doesn’t mean they are good. This kid CLEARLY isn’t ready to be a contributing member of this team.
Sometimes, you do a disservice to a prospect by putting him in games before he is ready. At this point, I think they are doing more harm than good having him in the rotation.
They have given him 7 starts and he has gotten worse in each start. It shows, he’s not ready to pitch in NY yet.
There is no improvement, and a LOT of slippage in his game, since his first start.
So, why keep pushing it? There is no upside to a kid failing in NY start after start.
I don’t know if Igawa is better. I do know they can’t keep running Clippard out there every fifth day behind Clemens. They will kill their bullpen by overworking them.
Another walk in the 4th. Its an epidemic with this kid.
Clippard is 22
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=28694
Bring on Igawa…
First off, he’s 23, not 20. Second, whatever age he is, he can’t throw the ball over the plate with any level of consistency.
I guess they can keep him in the rotation if they enjoy losing. But, come on, we all can see he’s overmatched.
Blows another lead with a walk and a HR. Stayed a inning too late with him. Damn it!!!!
And if Igawa bombs again, you can try Clip. He may be better pitching against say Tampa then the Shmets with all the world watching (although he sure was better first time against them).
Is Hughes back in August? I need him on my fantasy team. What does Pete say, August ‘08?
Just teasing.
It is very obvious what Cano’s problem is. He gets up there and tries to jerk every thing to rightfield. This is very telling. If you look at his splits, he is hitting .244 at Yankee Stadium. On the road, he is hitting .294. All of his home runs are at Yankee Stadium. I think it is pretty clear that the short porch in right is getting to his head. He has not hit to left field at all at home this year. the last year and a half, if you remember, Cano would get a few hits a game by hitting the ball to center and left. This is the problem with Cano these days.
well that is deflating man games not over yet but you got to pitch better than that
See ya later Tyler…
Welcome back Kei
jesus christ… blew every lead against Pittsburgh too
Clippard walks too many hitters! He isn’t ready for the majors. Looks like the first start against the mets was pure luck.
I would still stretch Henn out and put him in the 5th spot.
sj44 is a bit arrogant and I wish he would stop posting so much.
wow, I hate to say this but T-clip sucks
Time to go to the pen. Dont know who to bring in but its time. We need to keep this score where it is. Maybe they should bring in Henn
Okay, I think we can put that Tyler Clippard Yankeeography on hold for now.
the mets have scored in very freaking damn inning
Vizcaino again!
“sj44 is a bit arrogant and I wish he would stop posting so much.”
post of the year
I agree, guys – I think that’s it for Clippard
And frankly – neither his stuff nor his command are good enough right now
Igawa or Hernandez – doesn’t matter – both would be improvements
I think even Alan Horne or Ian Kennedy or Joba Chamberlain at AA would be an improvement…
I hope i never see clippard on the mound again
@ Hughman
Yesterday Cashman didn’t sound like he was convinced that Hughes was coming back to the big club this year. The sprained ankle was Grade 3 and it sounded like August would be a real longshot.
ive actually tried to defend ty clip and give him the benefit of the doubt..
but this is just unacceptable…. now that teams have him scouted, he isnt fooling anyone with that changeup anymore.
Unfortunately i dont have much more confidence in Igawa either… how long before karsten, rasner, etc. come back
DAMN VISCIANO!!!! please no. bring Henn in please.
Clippard really needs to work on his control in the minors, when that improves he can be a serviceable starter in the majors.
3 walks in 3.1 innings, all 3 scored.
UGh I can’t believe i’m saying I want Kei back. At least it makes Joe job easier chooseing who to send out. They send Clip down bring up another hitter, only problem is he’ll have to go back down when we need a 5th starter again.
BTW, I should disclose I’m a Mets fan (even though I called them the shmets, which my mets hating friend calls them). But mostly I love baseball.
Clippard had great control in the minors. You don’t lose that usually, even with his funky elbows and knees delivery. He is just afraid to throw it over the plate. It’s funny, the dingers are in part a result of meatballs because he falls behind.
Yu start out coming up, showing good control, then, bam, a homer. You get scared. You don’t throw strikes. You are forced to throw fastballs to great fastball hitters down 2-0, 3-1. Boom, another homer. You get more scared. So they tell you throw strikes. You groove a first pitch fastball, say. It is a self-reinforcing bad cycle.
Loom at Rich Hill with Cubs last year. He had a 8 plus era. They send him back down, he comes back up, ends season on a decent note, now he is doing very well. But you can afford to fail for a bit with a lousy team like the Cubs were last year.
You people are a little over the top. Clippard IS 22 years old. He clearly needs more refining but he has good stuff and will be a good 4-5 starter. He just needs to get his location down and will be fine. People make it like you have to throw 95 mph to be successful.
Clip isn’t quite ready perhaps, but saying that you never want to see him on the mound again is a bit excessive, he’s pretty young and could use some more time.
Keith Olberman? omg is he one of the most annoying people on this earth? Who does he think he is that he could just walk into the locker room? Ego trip.
Arod 70 rbi, wow, what a homer it was, too bad Clippard couldn’t make it hold. He’s still young, probaly needs some more time to develop.
Sorry, I’ll post whenever I want. I am not breaking any rules.
If you want to hold memberships in the Tyler Clippard Fan Club, be my guest.
If a kid is afraid to throw the ball over the plate, I have little patience for it.
If that’s arrogant, sorry. I am not the only person in this blog who feels that way.
Sometimes, the truth hurts.
Vizcaino has pitched very well in his last several appearances. If he returns to his spring training form, he does a HUGE part in solidifying the bullpen.
Good job by Viz getting out of inning with no damage and a nice catch by Posada.
Thanks TK in DC.
Go NYR -
Clippard is decent – the problem for him is that there’s a LOT of great arms very close to being ready
You’re right though – if not for all the injuries, Clippard would not have seen the Bronx (Rasner, Karstens, Hughes, Ohlendorf, Sanchez… nevermind Pavano, and Igawa’s problems)
Vizcaino is starting to turn it around… a positive
To say that you never want to see clipp on the mound again is moronic. He is still very young and I dont think anyone expected he would be up after only 2 months in AAA. Let him go back down, get some more seasoning and he will still have a chance to be a mid level starter.
Jose has done a nice job of late and I apologize because I was so used to seeing him get absolutely shelled. He is gonna have to gain our trust back
I had this debate on this blog a few days ago about Hughes and was convinced there is no way he comes back this year.
i still feel after his rehab, etc the yanks wont push him coming back this year.. but im starting to wish a little that he would.
is it so hard to ask for a 5th starter that can keep us in games and compete…i dont need an allstar, but someone who can battle through 6 innings, and doest just give up leads like this. I havnt seen what lieber has done since he left new york, but if he is still anything like what he was when we had him.. he would be a great 5th starter
Clippard has an average fastball. 88MPH and straight as a dart. He relies on his great command to spot it and get away with it’s dullness. Problem with the Yankee Clippard has been he has not showed the command he had the minors.
Good bye T-Clip, Hello Igawa…
YankeesLuv-
Pete said that Olbermann was at the game, not that he tried to crash the clubhouse (which is what O’Reilly did).
Jeter is my hero
Clip may turn out to be a decent pitcher. But right now, all he really throws is a good changeup… if you cant get that over for a strike everytime out, his fastball is very hittable.
Now the league has seen clip and scouted him, he isnt fooling anyone with that change..
Oh Captain my Captain !!!!!!
go captain!
Jeter delivers! A nice home run for El Captaino.
Anything you can do I can do better.
Looks like one of those days today.
Global,
Exactly. Not plus stuff, horrible location. Not a recipe for success.
Also, and this isn’t Clippard’s fault, they have so many plus arms in the system right now, its not funny.
Its why I have said all along that, Clippard’s best future value to this team would be in a trade. Too many guys have better chances to make it from the system than Clippard, regardless of his age.
Vizcaino has pitched much better in June and that’s huge.
If Igawa can improve as much as Vizcaino, I’ll take it.
You just need a guy to keep you in games. Clippard can’t do it. Maybe Igawa can.
If Igawa can’t, I wouldn’t be surprised to see somebody from the Trenton staff get a look.
It did sound like Cashman was downplaying the likelihood of Hughes pitching again this year. That must have been one bad ankle sprain.
Yep it’s looking like it might turn into a slugfest.
well.. this could be fun!!!
this game is going to be something like 11 – 9
Has Ian Kennedy made his 3rd start in AA yet?
Mota warming, wonder what the reaction will be.
Captain clutch….
Abreu with a solid at-bat – another walk. I was worried about Yankee patience at the plate after last night. It’s back…
I like Clippard a lot – and I hope he makes it back here soon…
How will Joe get to the 9th today?
Guys like Villone and Henn might come in handy today
I would imagine he would not be accepted well
In defense of SJ44, his/her analyses are astute and beneficial. There are lots of other bloggers who come across more arrogant than SJ44. I enjoy the information.
Nice home run for both A-Rod and Jeter to answer
Please no Villone today
The Yankees have a good team. They have fought back in this game but they are not solid up and down throughout their 25 players. Some of their players are marginal and not everyday players. For example, Cairo has done a good job at first but he is not an everyday first baseman. He is a utility player and that is what he is. The same with Cabrera who is a fourth outfielder to expect anything else is crazy. So the Yankees have a good team but are not solid up and down the 25 players.
LOL at the fight in Chicago… good stuff.
exactly, clip is a offspeed, control pitcher.. doesnt have a good fastball.
being that young and relying solely on control is dangerous, big league umps arent going to give you those pitches you were use to getting in AA/AAA…
Problem is I think Igawa is a similar pitcher. he is all about control and off-speed (although i think he has a slightly better fastball, thats not his putaway pitch). so im a bit skeptical..
Hahahah.. do the cubs like to fight with anyone and everyone
Since Clippard is probably going to be sent down after this start, if Igawa doesn’t pan out again, who do the Yanks pursue for the 5th slot? Do they keep rotating in pitchers from the minors or go for a trade?
That was a good fight. Usually you don’t see punches thrown today you did.
hey Jennifer
No way do I think Kennedy is ready now… or Chamberlain. (I think Kennedy is heading for start #3 at AA). It will be Igawa or Runnelvys Hernandez. But by September, the 4 guys I listed at AA are going to be close to being ready… If Hughes is ready by September, he’s the #5 guy unless Igawa is lights-out.
Yankees have a LOT of great arms in the minors. Clippard will have to battle to stick around.
Big inning for Vizcaino. Thing is, his track record as a reliever has been really solid – so you don’t give up on the guy
Fox game is Red soxs.
Jennifer
That fight was awesome. I can’t wait to watch it again… I don’t think any of those punches landed though but they were swinging for their lives lol
Rick??? what do you mean solid througout the 25 players.. that statement makes no sense at all!!
Do you expect allstars up and down. Name me one team you think has a “solid” players 1 through 25.. every team has holes.
cairo has shown he is more then capable of playing 1st on regular basis, and melky has been hitting above .300 since he took over CF, and he is clearly one of the better defensive outfields in the league. That alone should make him a starter.
Jennifer,
Kennedy is starting tonight in Reading for Trenton. Chamberlain pitches tomorrow.
I don’t think either guy is ready to help the Yankees right now. Next year? Perhaps. Definitely in 2009, IMO.
Horne and Marquez, IMO, are the closest to major league ready off the Trenton staff.
Igawa will get the next start in Colorado, IMO. How he does will most likely determine where they go from there.
I hope I am wrong but some of those young arms maybe gone by the trading deadline.
I would like to see Horne pitch. At the very least he has good “stuff” which will translate to the major leagues. Thats more than you can say for Clippard,De Salvo, Wright, or Igawa.
Keep posting SJ44…..You’re one of the more insightful members on this site…Has anyone heard from Randy I, or was he asked not to share his input also…..Sometimes it seems like a circus here with all the clowns…..By the way I think you’re right , Clippard gets sent down before his next rotation turn…….
Is having cairo at 1st.. and nieves, phelps on your bench ideal, no of course not..
but guys like cairo, mink, melky and nieves all play great defense. there is alot to be said about defense.. especially when you have other guys that are great offensive weapons
Whelan is the only one pitcher close at Trenton. The rest will need AAA.
It is good to see we have a number of guys a year or so away.
I agree Igawa will be up here for the next time we need a 5th starter. At this point we can’t keep running Clippard out there and kill the pen. Hopefully he has straightened out all his problems and clip can go back and get himself fixed.
No hitter into the 7th in the sd cubs game
Rick, Whelan is nowhere close to the majors. In fact he was just send down to Tampa, probably to work with Nardi on his control. If he can harness his stuff he will be awesome, but that is going to take some time. Remember he has only been a pitcher for two years.
never thought i would say this.. but quite impressive outing by viscy.
id prefer we dont push our luck for one more inning from him.
Myers – 6th, Bruney – 7th.. proctor – 8th, then Mo ???
I dont think Whelan is close at all. he has a ton of walks so far.
Well I am mistaken about Viz. He’s been on the rebound in his last couple of appearances.
just catching up… .First, that is the best that O’Reilly got 86′d and bitched about it.. Classic. The guy is a bigger moron than Limbaugh…
Second, I have to agree with all those that wanted Vizcaino DFA. He has done nothing in the past two innings he pitched. And last night, was horrible… Where is Matt DeSalvo.(notice sarcasism)
it will probably be proctor for 2 innings, myers if he gets in trouble, farnsworth in the 8th and mo in the 9th.
Hopefully they will break it open this inning.
Make that the 8th inning. He’s at 90 pitches.
This could be why he has a no hitter
EjectionsSan Diego Padres pitcher Jake Peavy ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (4th); Chicago Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (4th); Chicago Cubs Batting Coach Gerald Perry ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (4th); San Diego Padres pitcher Chris Young ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (4th).
That Cubs Padres fight doesn’t help me. Chris Young is one of my starters. Ugh. Thank god nothing landed, but he’ll get suspended (big deal, so he pitches on 5 days rest instead of 4).
Whelan is in Tampa (high-A) now – Gil Patterson and Nardi Contreras are working on his mechanics
I think it might be Proctor for two innings, then Farnsworth and Mo
Jorge continues to rake!
Posado has a cannon for an arm.
Whelan was sent down to Tampa this week. He has been having problems with his control and Nardi Contreras and Gil Patterson are working with him. They are starting him in Tampa in an effort to get him straightened out.
Horne is 24 years old and pitched for 4 yrs at the University of Florida. He’s got enough experience to pitch in the majors since, SEC Baseball is the similar to AA baseball, in terms of talent, from the top end teams in that conference.
The only problem is, he is one year removed from TJ Surgery and I am sure they are monitoring his innings.
Marquez is 22, and is a fastball, sinkerball type of guy. Throws harder than Clippard. However, I would think they would want him to pitch in AAA before calling him up. You never know though. If Igawa struggles in his second bite at the apple, they will have to look at other internal options, IMO, because the cost of pitching in the trade market is going to be nuts.
Vizcaino has pitched very well in June. Its why you don’t give up on veterans with track records. They have enough experience to work through the rough patches.
Also, Mariano has spent a LOT of time working with Vizcaino and it seems to be paying off.
The key with Vizcaino is, he can pitch everyday. Not a lot of guys can do that so, if he is getting it back, its really going to be helpful to the Yankees the rest of the way.
Is that the same Gil Patterson from the Jays?
So long Glavine, you Canadian Fascist.
Thanks for the update. Saw Whelan pitch a few weeks ago looked lights out at the time. That must mean that the Yankees have no one ready or close except Igawa. That is not too encouraging.
Jennifer
Yup that’s him
A former fantastic prospect for the Yankees who blew his arm out (because of Billy Martin I think)
Patterson is the guy Roy Halliday credits for making him a better pitching. Ditto Estaban Loaiza
Robinson Cano, dontcha know…
And an assist to Carlos Delgado – who is having an awful series…
So what was the deal with all the stolen bases already today? I do not have the game, was it more clippard or just good timing by the Mets? Doesn’t sound or look like Clippard did much and was lucky to only give up 5 runs.
By the way, Arizona State is up 3-0 in the 4th at the CWS… Go Devils!!!!
HA it just started to rain at YS.
Cairo has just been a great spark off the bench. NICE!!!!!
Colorodo, it is the pitcher, same thing yesterday. Roger didn’t hold the runners on too well, plus they are very speedy runners. It really isn’t fair to the catcher, a stolen base should be charged against both the pitcher and catcher.
Zambrano has a no-no through 7.
That one will look like a line drive in the boxscore tomorrow
Cairo with a broken bat bloop RBI
8-5 Yankees
Yes! Yankees moving it up. Let’s keep it going Yanks
Thanks Jennifer.
Gil Patterson was a stud pitcher, threw gas, blew out his shoulder I think…Not sure if Billy had anything to do with it….Kind of remember it happening not at theMLB level….Just thinking how crucial the injury to Phil Hughes is proving to be…..He’d be the back end of the rotation right now…..Is there any real chance he’d be ready before Sept 1st…..
No problem.
Vizcaino in June:
6 games, 6.2 innings, 5 hits, 1 run, 5 walks (3 intentional) and 7 K’s.
Much, much better. If this is a start of an upward trend for him that would be great for the Yankees.
No hitter is gone.
This really isn’t fair to Scott, it is pouring, probably doesn’t have a good grip.
Why Scott Proctor in the 6th? He should be the primary setup guy to Rivera, Bruney in the 7th, and Fars in the 6th. Proctor has proven to be a more reliable pitcher than Farnsuseless.
I just checked out the Mets Blog (out of morbid curiousity and a desire to see losers whining) and there are a total of around 13 comments for the entire day. This is either a testament to Peter A. or an indication of how lame Mets fans are.
Cairo doing great!
Zambrano’s no-no over after 7 1/3….infield hit off Zambrano’s glove.
Hey, Colorado Yank – You going to the Yankee series against the Rockies next week?……I am coming up from Colorado Springs….too bad the Rockies doubled normal ticket prices for the Yankee games……But it will be worth it, especially with the Andy and the Rocket in games #2 and #3.
3 run lead, walk to the leadoff hitter in the 6th Ugh.
So many walks out of this bullpen. It just destroys its effectiveness.
Third time today they began an inning with a lead and walked the leadoff hitter. Awful.
Good call to delay it. It is pouring and it is unfair to Scott.
SJ- you can put some blame on the pouring rain. Probably wasn’t getting a good grip on the ball.
This should hopefully be Clippard’s last start in the bigs. Bring back Igawa until Hughes is ready
Here’s a nice story about Gil Patterson:
http://www.battersbox.ca/artic.....4091015999
The Yankees made him pitch too many innings too early, and Billy Martin didn’t help…
sj61*. have tickets to all three games. There are 15 of us going and we have already been working on our chants. Last time they were here, 85% Yankee fans. NICE!!!!!
nice job umps making Proctor start off the inning when you knew you would have to stop the game at some point.. thanks a lot for making us blow through a pitcher for no reason besides your incompetence
SJ44 – I agree with you regarding those leadoff BBs……Sometimes, I wonder how managers and coaches can take them…Just so frustrating and irritating……I believe the stat is that 65% of BBs end up scoring……do not know if that applies to lead-off BBs or just BBs in general.
Today’s outing from Glavine proved yet once again how easy its for him to get to 300 wins in NL . If he were pitching in AL he wouldnt even get to 175 wins . Glavine has to be the most undeserving pitcher in baseball history to get to 300 wins . He got rocked against Detroit also in his last start . Most of the teams in AL would beat him real bad .
NL is so easy for pitchers like Glavine . You only have to get first 3-4 outs . And if the next 5-6 hitter even get a hit , you know 8-9 hitter are automatic out and they will get you out of jam .
Glavine getting to 300 is a joke .
Jennifer
I have to say I enjoy reading your comments. You are very knowledgeable. I try to come here in between class and work when Yankees are playing since it’s the only way I can keep up .
OOps, I was touting Proctor and a leadoff walk.
Glavine must be glad interleague play is over. Back to Pirates, Cubs, et al.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2906483
My street is a river right now, and I have pea sized hail.
The teams in the Eastern Division are all getting better. Tampa Bay has a good one two punch now with Kazmir and Shields. Toronto is looking better with Shaun Marcum. Struck out eleven players today. Rios is having a real good year and Adam Lind is going to be a good one. These teams are only a pitcher or two away from becoming very good teams.
Zambrano just gave up a HR in the top half of the 9th…..1-0 SD now.
Colorado Yank – I have tickets for all 3 games, too…..I was not here the last time the Yankees came to Coors Field….I figured the Yankee fan support would be strong, but 85%!!….That is more than when the Cubs, Cardinals, and BoSox come here. I get to about a dozen Rockies’ games a year…..more this year with the Yankees visiting. Let’s hope we see them win games 3, 4, and 5 of a new winning streak….the Yankees need these games.
Do any of you guys know if gameday audio and mlb.tv and stuff has gotten cheaper as the season has progressed, or do you still get charged the full price for the season?
Also, is there some set price if you decide to buy the audio and then upgrade from audio to mlb.tv later on, or do you have to go buy mlb.tv at full price?
Thanks fellas
LEADOFF BASE ON BALLS…65 % SCORE…..As mentioned before Tom Seaver did some research back when he was playing, and he came up with a slightly number…close to 70 %, although that seems a littler high…..That number ( 65 ) will hold true at nearly every level of ball, from PONY right on up….I never really kept count when I was playing, but I certainly did when a started coaching…..
It’s time dump soft tossing, Tim Redding, Darrell May look alike losers such as Clippard, Rasner, Desalvo, Karstens back to AA.
Just looked at a weather map – there’s a band that is just passing the Bronx… but there’s another nasty little band in northern NJ (near Ridgewood) that’s moving eastward
Could get interesting again in about two innings
Hey Pete.
I don’t know if it would be redundant but could you post updates in the comment section as well? I usually only refresh the page and i’m too lazy to scroll to the top of the page
sj61* last time they were here some guy started bagging on Bernie in game 3 because he got tired of the “Let’s go Yankees” chant. It was classical, especially when he tried later in the game after three more beers. Freakin red necks, just don’t know when to stay home and shine the tires on their mobile.
here’s a report straight from the hallway on the upper deck at the stadium… its pouring and it reaks in here… lots of yelling. no info on when/if play will resume. the beer vendors are in heaven. my wife is visibly annoyed.
anybody know a proxy i can see this game on. I have direc TV, mlb tv and local tv and all three are blacked out. I think I pay enough to justify cheating to watch the game.
You can now see why Torre has such a quick hook with these guys.
They just can’t throw strikes. None of them. Its why you can’t trust any of them. You just hope today isn’t the day one blows up.
A 3 run lead, the bottom of the order coming up, its inexcusable for Proctor to be walking guys and falling behind Gomez.
It doesn’t matter if its raining. He does the same thing when its sunny. Like the Anaheim game three weeks ago.
Torre gave him the 8th inning against the Angels, a test, and he flunked it bigtime. He walked 4, ending it with a walk to a .130 hitter with the bases loaded to blow that game.
His ERA is almost 9 against the Red Sox. If you can’t pitch against the Red Sox, Angels and Mets, you start running out of teams where his effectiveness can be trusted.
I used to go nuts about Torre’s use of the bullpen. I now realize, ALL of his choices (except for Mo) stink. He just has to gauge the level of “stinkiness” each day. Not an easy job.
They are on pace to walk almost 300 guys out of the bullpen this year. Its a joke.
Joe has to get Proctor out of there now, roll the dice with Bruney (who’s no better) or Villone and see if he can steal innings until the 9th.
Once Proctor loses the plate, he loses his mind, and usually, the game.
Can’t risk that again today.
I just did some quick math. Excluding Mo, Yankee relief pitchers have walked 135 guys in 191 innings. That’s awful.
That’s not counting the number of 2-0 and 3-1 counts they pitched in, which resulted in hits.
Can’t throw strikes out of the ‘pen, its awfully tough to win games.
rain stopped going back to seat
I really miss the heyday of Nelson, Stanton, and Mendoza. There have been a number of times with the current bullpen where I just have to turn off the TV and go find something else to do because it makes my stomach churn. I really didn’t appreciate the stability we used to have in the bullpen until it was gone.
Had to leave for a while, rain was very bad here, I thought my car was going to float away.
Thanks Pete for the updates. Much appreciated
The walks ARE unforgivable. But the most nerve-wracking of the walks is when they have 2 strikes on the hitter (0-2, 1-2, 2-2) and THEN walk them anyway. It’s like they’re afraid to throw strikes. If you make good pitches, even if they hit the ball, it’s more than likely going to be an out. But they nibble, and they nibble, and then they either make a mistake or over-correct and – bam.
I have company coming tomorrow, so I’ve been in and out of the house, cooking and cleaning, etc. When I came home to check on the game, I came here first and saw they were winning, so I decided I’d keep up to date with the game through you guys. They were doing so well without me watching, so I’ll cooperate. Anyway, the discussion here today is really enjoyable. Thanks.
SJ44 – Again, I agree with you regarding the bullpen….I was usually not one who criticized when Torre made pitching changes, but have often criticized who he brings in…..Some of his choices are puzzling. But most of the blame is on the pitchers and the pitching coaches….more than on Torre.
Different subject – I also very much enjoy college baseball and the College Baseball World Series, despite the metal bats…..Watch out for the UC-Irvine Anteaters….they are tied 4-4 with Arizona State.
Damn the Mets have alot of fast runners.
Jay Destro checking in from the Stadium. How to help the blog. I met Jay in spring training, good guy
Somebody asked about me also posting my comments in here. I have only so much time because I’m usually also writing a story for the paper (especially at night) so it’s easier to most on the main page.
Plus I can’t assume everybody is reading the comments. There’s no one perfect way to do this but what we’re doing now seems to work for most people.
Guess what? T-storms are also forecast for tomorrow night. This is no longer the Subway Series, it’s the Rainmaker Series.
No problem Pete. It was just a suggestion. Good work.
At least I didn’t have to water my garden. LOL
i’d have been very sad if proctor had not been able to finish off reyes.
Cumberberg – You are right……We were all spoiled with Mendoza, Stanton, and Nelson, circa ‘98…..How I wish the Yankees could have a bullpen bridge to Mo again like in those days.
It’s be nice to put this one away right here
Glavine actually had been pretty good against the AL last 3 years (not including this year’s 2 awful starts against Yanks and Tigers).
He was 2-0 last 2 years against Yanks.
In 61 innings and 10 starts over last 3 years, 2004-2006, he was 5-1 with a 3.39 e.r.a. And he had to face the Yanks a few times, which no Ynakee pitcher has to do.
Tell me you wouldn’t have taken that?
Admittedly, he gets by on smoke and mirrors now. He always has a good stretch then an awful stretch, then learns a new wrinkle. But he is running out of wrinkles as fast as he adds them on his face.
He would be a hall of famer no matter which league on a good club, admitting his era would be about 1/3rd of a run higher. Remember that duel with Pettitte?
* It would be nice*
Big AB for Godzilla
Hope so Go NYR. I was hoping Georgie would Juice one.
Well it is up to matsui now.
Not quite a thrilla but Godzilla delivers
In responce to Pete’s last comment. The Yankees ground crew makes it look so easy. They are like a machine removing the tarp. I recall watching a game last year or the year before, a Nats game, the grounds crew was a mess trying to put the tarp down and remove it. It looked like a circus.
I wanna give a big shout out to Matsui. After a frigid start, the guy has been hot hot hot, hitting .345 in June.
Cano really needs to stop pulling off on those outside pitches.
a 2 out hit to boot, with cairos earlier they are making up for the 1-10 RISP last night
nvm figured it out.
Godzilla has been a terror against NL pitching….even though that one was of teh seeing-eye variety.
Someone mentioned D-Rays. Kazmir, if he gets control, Shields, this kid Sonnonstine is like if Clippard DID throw strikes like his minors numbers indicated (admitting just 2 starts), some other young arms, Upton and Delmon Young (he should get better). They have promise, hard to believe.
Of course,, they will likely deal Elijah “Who’s Your Daddy” Dukes. Sheesh. 5 kids by 4 woman, uh, girls. That’s slugging .1250.
i have the sox-giants game on (go giants!) in the background and i happened to glance at matsuzaka. is that dirt on his chin??? what is it with these red sox and their facial hair? they really do look like a bunch of bums.
I like Scotts fire on this team, He got the out, but he still wasn’t happy!
nice people behind us from rochester.
still a little drizzle but not bad.
pete… thx for the kind words.
wife is less annoyed and proctor hasn’t given up a run
cumberberg, maybe it is pine tar!
Scott gave this team what it needed two scoreless innings!! It has been really nice to see him mature over the last few years, I feel very comfortable with him out there now.
hey destro, my wife laughed out loud at your comment. she knows EXACTLY how your wife was feeling!
jennifer — don’t get me started with the pine tar!!!!!!
There must be a poll somewhere. The Sawx must be the ugliest bunch of buffoons everywhere on your planet.
Those are two HUGE scoreless innings for Scott Proctor
Now Joe can hand the ball to Farnsworth for the 8th, with Mo looming if needed. He might work the 9th regardless.
Ewwwwwwww…….. Farnsworthless!
do we have to see farnsworth in th 8th? its only a 5-run lead.
the stands were still almost full after the delay… the bleachers are still jammed… lower decks are starting to empty a bit.
rain is just about gone.
met fans are pretty quiet now… or just went home.
We need a big game from Chien tomorrow night. The pen needs a day off after Clippards performance
Hopefully Bobby walks and A-Rod hits a grand slam!!
I agree about the BoSox being the ugliest team….Youkilis, Manny, Taveras, etc.
Wang has never faced any of the mets before. How do you think he will fair against them. ANd if Anyone knows how do the mets usually fair against sinker ballers. I know they have the same problem as the Yankees against pitchers they’ve never seen.
This is a big inning. We could use a 1-2-3 from Farnsworthless
I hope we will steal a dozen bases against Hernandez tomorrow. a little pay back for what Reyes has been doing.
Ha! Hey Pete, you probably did better than O’Reilly at Mets tryout!
Wang is gonna be tough tomorrow
Wow. What a first pitch!!!
5 innigs in a row with 2 runs scored, thats pretty good
One commentator recently said of Youklis: “Looks like he’s got a squirrel under his chin.”
you have a 5 run lead you moron! throw it down the middle!
farnsworth makes baby jesus cry.
Again with the leadoff walk!! It is killing us.
Time to call in Ron Villone! This guy is worthless
never an easy inning with farnsworth, and he wasnt really close with any of those pitches, they need this guy to find himself, he seems to have pitched a little better the last month
payback for what, trying to win the game? Reyes is stealing bases because that is what he does. That would be like saying the Mets should pay back the Yankees for Jeter getting 4 hits.
Paging Dr. Rivera
When will Joe learn, When?
FARNSWORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Rips eyes out.
There is a reason Farnsworth is called worthless. I mean when was the last 1-2-3. YOu have a 5 run lead, this is maddening.
Geez and now with a 5 run lead we have to get mo ready!
i really hate this #$@%*(&^()()& guy
The Yanks should move Farsworth. He really needs a change of scenery. He has been seriously bad this season.
I can’t believe there is a group of people on this blog who think that Chris Britton is not a good option. I’d rather have him out there then this idiot.
How many years is Kyle signed for? I really think we need to think about moving him. For a team that wants to compete and win a world series, we cannot intrust a lead to him.
haha poor bruce.
Would the Braves want him back? Maybe we can get a nice young catcher for him?
29th appearance. THREE 1-2-3 outings for FarnsworthLESS.
Meanwhile, Edwar Ramirez is at SWB, 3-0, 0.79, five saves and 62 K in 34.1 IP (Trenton and SWB)….and only 15 hits given up in those 34.1 IP.
Also meanwhile, another reporter for another paper writes about the bullpen and NOT ONE WORD on Ramirez. Not a one.
Sigh…
What’s Edwar gotta do????
well thank god beltran is ice cold.
if wright gets on here this gets real interesting, and once again not close on the first 2 pitches
I know he went yard last night, but facing Reyes it makes me happy any time he hits it in the air.
Whoever even suggested the possibility of a 1-2-3 inning for Farnsworth needs some serious remedial reality therapy. Sadly, he just doesn’t have that in him. I guess you can always hope though!!!!
Kyle is signed through next season unfortunately. He gets paid a lot of money to suck, 6mil a year.
Farnsworth HAS to go. this is indeed maddening!!!
Damnit this pitchers aren’t giving Jorge any chance to throw out base stealers.
what a grind!
FREE EDWAR and BRITTON
wow and the slider works, i’m sure i’m wrong here, but that pitch seems to work about 10% of the time for him, glad it worked there
Centerpiece him in a trade to Cinn., they love to collect relievers……Cashman would have to swallow Yankee Bucks…..Never the less, it’s time for a change Kyle….He’s just to unreliable, great arm, suffers from mental constipation……
You think we can give Farnsy to the Sawx for free?
Farnsy is dirty, one of our best relievers when he is on, he just blew away 2 of the best hitters in the game.
Hes problems come with the first 2 batters, means he needs to warp up differently, or longer.
You can see him getting better as every inning goes on.
I couldn’t stand the walk there either… but he just blew away David Wright
THAT is why you give Farnsworth a chance to turn it around
Maybe they should put a hitter in the pen when he’s warming up!
but now only up by a grand slam……I’m pulling my hair out!!
How many chances are we going to give Farnsworth? The trade deadline is getting relatively close and he is not pitching well. Awesome, he struck out Wright and Beltran. That doesn’t change the fact that he has 17K in 28IP and 16BB.
Finally, Robby goes with the pitch
I have hated Farns since he criticized the family clause in Clemens contract. I wouldn’t have minded the criticism so much except that it was coming from kyle freakin farsworth who seriously sucks.
Farnsworth needs to go. Trade him to Philly for Jon Lieber. Then call up Chris ” Great ” Britton.
Global- Its more like Chris “Our Savior” Britton
Right Mark, you know he said “I have no problem with it, but some others might”
Dumb ass
Okay we are up by 5, do we use a different reliever, or just pitch Mo to get him some work.
Throw Mo. You already got him up, I think we are off on monday, so he needs an inning
Jennifer logic would say with a 5 run lead you pitch Farns for another inning and not waste another arm. I mean the guy is making 5 million as a relief pitcher but no, the man is incapable of pitching back to back days and 2 innings in a row.
Sad.
Whose calling Britton a savior? He posted good numbers with Baltimore in 50+ games, has good numbers in AAA, and has good minor league numbers. Why are you so down on him? It doesn’t make any sense.
“you can see him get better every inning”
Uhh, dude who’s the dumbass?
Wow, lots of comments today. What’s the record Pete?
Anyway, I haven’t been watching, but I understand the game has been back and forth. Clippard must have been terrible. You know they won’t need a 5th starter until Saturday, how bout sending clip down after the game to keep Henn on the roster? Always good to have one long man.
As for Posada playing first, I get it, but to be honest, if is it really that much more relaxing playing 1st than catcher? I mean, if he is playing in the game, let him catch and keep Cairo at first. If however catching is that much more taxing than fine give him a chance to start at first, then late in the game if he is a defensive liability, move him to catcher in the 7th and bring in Cairo then.
Phelps should ph for the pitcher and not see the field except from the dugout.
They would rather have All star studs like Villone, Henn(what has he ever proved?), and the career revived Vizcaino.
Chris “Great” Britton for President
Mo hasn’t pitched since Tuesday. We are off this coming Monday, so i’d say we should pitch him just to get him work.
exact quote from farsuseless
“As far as a teammate and a player, I think everybody should be here whether they’re pitching or not,” he said. “You don’t see guys who are hurt not sit on the bench. They’re always there.”
Jeff: They want him to play 1st to allow Moose to get his personal catcher
I love Posadas bat but they shouldn’t fool around and play him at 1B.
Oh great Posada was an infielder…….15 years ago.
Just stick with Cairo at 1B and don’t experiment.
Jennifer is absolutely right – and Kay is an idiot.
He just said “Joe is bring Mo in b/c he wants to nail it down”
NO, MICHAEL – he wants Mo to get regular work…
Closers in non-save situations are often shaky. I would’ve wanted to see Farnsworth out there since he never pitches back-to-back days it would be nice to actually get some work out of him. Just my opinion.
Scooter, I think Mo’s is in for both. I would hate it if he brought a scrub in and he made it a save situation for Mo. Then you use two pitchers.
Okay Mo can still get out of this without a run.
xryanx,
It’s an inside joke here on the blog. The winning streak began when someone was said that we were losing cuz we weren’t using Britton. That person didn’t come on yesterday, and well, the streak was broken.
Mark,
Re: Farnsworth. At least Roger shows up to work when he’s on the mound, huh?
Maybe it’s me… but Froemming has been awful calling balls and strikes.
Not sure what the difference was between ball 1 to Castro and strike 1 to Castro
Kay is an idiot. Mo isn’t sharp that is the reason he has given up some hits. Not because he isn’t pumped. I’m sure Joe said to him you have to pitch no matter what. If he didn’t pitch today it would be 5 days without pitching. You can’t have that.
mel, that is the point I was making
Scooter at least Bruce is gone after this year.
Exactly, Jennifer
And if Wang (say) throws a complete game, Mo wouldn’t be pitching til AT LEAST Tuesday.
Ummmmmmmm. Could they have got 4 softer hits than they did?
Not good that the tying run is up. Where’s that bozo canofcorn today anyway? guess his IP address was blocked.
HAHA what a bad swing.
I just hope Rivera doesn’t do what Bill Wagner did last year
Where is that???????????????????????
I emailed Pete about him, so hopefully he is gone.
MO!!!!
With all those crappy swings, he put on a good ab.
Thankfully, if they lost it, that was all on Froemming
Mo made it interesting. LOL See what lack of work does.
oh thank god – that was getting very ugly.
phew!!!!!!!!!
Mariano Rivera = the new Tod Jones.
Stop being an icon of national amusement and shame. Make yourself useful, Bonds.
Froemming is THE worst umpire. He ripped off Rivera…Id say 5 times that inning. See, thats the difference between Mo and Wagner, Rivera can get through situations like that.
Mo was OK. The first 3 hits were just well placed. If anything, that was a very fortunate rally by the Mutts.
2 on for Barry, I can’t believe I have to root for this guy.
oops. Tod = Todd.
ok it wasn’t pretty but a wins a win. Now with Wang pitching tomorrow night, we have a good chance to win the series and erase the annoyance of yesterdays loss forever. The Mets would leave feeling better about themselves and the Yankees would leave winning two of three. That’s fine.
Carlos Beltran is the worst clutch hitter in baseball. luv yor blog.keep it up…
Wow that ump was terrible. That ball was outside.
Hopefully Wanger can shut the Mets down tomorrow. And we go for a 10 game win streak.
So this is now 10 wins in 11 games and 13 out of 16, for those of you keeping score at home.
Jeff we need to give the memo to FruitbatHangsUpsideDown. Where in the world did this loser come from. I emailed Pete about him.
Jennifer, it’s barely worth it with some of these idiots. I would up getting into it with canofcorn last night initially because I thought he was a fan who was just a bit negative. You know, someone who you could debate with, later I realized that he was just an idiot troll. There is no dealing with these idiot trolls, they are just here to be annoying. Ignoring is the best thing to do.
That was painful……Will Mo ever get his ERA down again?
Given the pitching match-ups, I figured the Yankees had the advantage yesterday, and the Mets today. So, today’s win, painful as it was, makes up a little bit for last night’s very disappointing loss….the kind the Yankees really can not afford given the hole they dug for themselves early in the season. Now, let’s hope CMW the Worm-Killer is on tomorrow night, and the Yankees get the series win. Then I’ll be in the stands for the 3 games vs. the Rockies here, and the Yankees build a 5-game winning streak with the Giants and O’s to follow. Now is the time for the Yankees to keep gaining ground in the standings.
The fruitbat guy is a jerk, mo rules everyone knows that.
And, I vote to send the Clippard down and give the Iguana another chance.
LOL at people saying Beltran is not clutch. 11 Homeruns in 22 Postseason games is absolutely filthy.
Almost as outrageous as saying A-Rod isn’t clutch, fans would never say that……oh wait.
Global, 8 of those were when he was with Houston.
T-Clip was sent out, (no shock there) and Kevin Thompson was brought up.
So?
He hit 8 Homeruns in 1 year with Houston. Then he hit 3 last year for the Mets.
He’s only been in the postseason a total of 2 years.
Would of loved to see Beltran signed in 2004 instead of signing the aging often injured Damon.
Kei Igawa 2, electric boogaloo, scheduled for a week from today in San Francisco. Phil Hughes where are you’s?
Global, don’t confuse “fluke” with “cluth”.
Beltran is a career .277 hitter with one postseason for the ages, and not much else but Boras hype. $117 million for that? Fuhgeddaboutit.
Beltran also struck out with the bat on his shoulder to end the mets season last year.
mets suck!
According to Yes Network, Clippard was sent to Scaranton after the game. Too bad it was not before he game. Clip needs a lot of work .
Wow, they sure didn’t waste any time with Clip. But it’s best for everyone. Surely, he’s not ML ready but he got a lot of good experience, experience that will certainly help him in Scranton. I don’t think you can teach that kind of thing — the very real difference between AAA and the major leagues. I wish him well, whether it’s here with the Yankees at some point or with another team, because I think with a little work he’ll be good enough.
Okay, so let’s hope Igawa is ready.
These last two games were like from a time warp or something. Definitely out-of-whack. Roger could have used some of these runs yesterday, but actually, they were ALL needed today!
I just want to wish all you dads (and dads-to-be, Jeff NJ) a very happy Father’s Day tomorrow.
Clip needs work, yes.
He is also 22 and a part of the Yanks’ FUTURE.
Unfortunately, he had to be part of the present….which he isn’t ready for yet.
Good commentary on Clippard by Darling and Hernandez (had to watch game on WPIX). There are things they like about Clippard, but both agreed that he was in the majors when he should be at AAA. True, but the injuries and Igawa’s earlier ineffectiveness created the situation where Clip is up a year or two too early.
Still, he is only 22.
Thanks Doreen, but that ship sailed. No longer a dad to be, I jumped the gun a bit. Hopefully next time it will work, in the meantime, I promise we’ll have fun trying and enjoy our us and the dog time.
It will be very interesting to see what Igawa can do next Saturday. Pitching against an NL team, no home run threats outside of Barry, in a fly-ball park. If he throws first-pitch strikes and doesn’t fall behind, he’ll do very well. It’s that simple. As for the bullpen, they really need to bring up Edwar Ramirez. There’s no way a guy who strikes out 15 per 9 doesn’t have at least some success in the majors. He may not be a Rincon/Shields level set-up man, but I can’t possibly see how he can’t be at least a very viable 7th inning, need-a-strikeout guy. Give him a few outings, see what happens. If he fails, send him back down. No use having Villone hoping it’s a blowout in either direction. Same goes for Britton, who should be ready to contribute in 7th inning. I like Bruney in the 8th.
Quickie question — I’m out here in the SF Bay Area and haven’t really been keeping track of the Yankees. I’m heading for the Yankees/Giants game on Friday evening, and was wondering: is Damon the usual DH? Was just wondering if he’ll end up spending Friday night on the bench instead of playing — I really enjoyed watching him when he was with the A’s a few years back…