Game 72: Yankees at Giants
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 23, 2007 
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Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui LF
Cano 2B
Cairo 1B
Wang RRHP (7-4, 3.33)
GIANTS
Roberts CF
Winn RF
Durham 2B
Bonds LF
Klesko 1B
Molina C
Feliz 3B
Vizquel SS
Morris RHP (7-4, 3.21)
Pregame chatter: Joe Torre is leaning to giving Jorge Posada a day off tomorrow rather than playing him at first. Torre said it appears to him that Posada’s bat is dragging a bit. … Luis Vizcaino’s last appearances: 7.2 5 0 0 6 6 . … Derek Jeter takes a 16-game hit streak into today’s game.
The clubhouse was pretty dead this morning so I spent some time sitting in the stands getting some sun and watching Andy Pettitte’s bullpen.
A-Rod, Cairo, Kevin Thompson, Andy Phillips and a few other guys were out on the field early doing drills with strength coach Dana Cavalea. He was Marty Miller’s assistant and has the job now.
They did this one drill that was cool. The players would run down-and-out pass patterns while Kevin Long and Rob Thompson threw baseballs to them like quarterbacks. The idea was to lead the player so he had to sprint and catch the ball in his glove.
You know who looked like a WR? Cairo of all people, a guy who grew up in Venezuela. A-Rod is a big target and has closing speed. Thompson is a great athlete as well.
Robin Williams was in the dugout before the game and seemed like a decent guy. I was tempted to talk to him about “Good Will Hunting” or “Good Morning Vietnam” but took a pass. Maybe tomorrow. Talk about talent, wow. The photo is of Robin being interviewed by a Taiwanese reporter.
Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 4:50 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang doesn’t have the slider he had in his last start and I’m not sure he’s thrown a changeup yet. He’s burying his two-seamer and when he’s missing, he’s missing low. That usually works for him. Meanwhile the bats have stayed hot from last night. The Yankees have 21 hits in 12 innings. They had 21 in 27 innings in Colorado.
UPDATE, 6:05 p.m.: Those of you still sore about some of those blown calls that hurt the Yankees earlier this season can no longer complain. Miguel Cairo was way off the bag when Ray Durham was called out in the sixth inning. SF could have had Bonds at the plate as the tying run.
Meanwhile, the Yankees have 13 hits (4 for extra bases) and have four runs. The Giants are right in this game and have no right to be.
UPDATE, 6:18 p.m.: Weird outing by Wang. He had 10 strikeouts last Sunday and none today but had a very good sinker today as evidenced by the 13 outs he got on the ground in 6.1 innings. He also allowed only his fifth home run of the season.
UPDATE, 6:32 p.m.: You want to know why Torre doesn’t trust Bruney in the eighth inning? This is why. What a terrible job by the bullpen.
The Yankees also have left six runners stranded in scoring position. How do you have 13 hits, two walks and a HBP and have four runs?
UPDATE, 6:49 p.m.: Johnny Damon is 3 of his last 26 after that groundout. They need to put him on the DL so he can get healthy. Problem is, who DHs once they get to Baltimore? Some people seem to believe a player can put himself on the DL. Not true. The team makes the decision. Beyond that, no player would volunteer to go on the DL and get labeled a dog. It’s not how it works.
UPDATE, 7:10 p.m.: Alex Rodriguez is now 11 of 20 (.550) with seven homers and 18 RBI in the ninth inning this season. That was home run No. 492. Enjoy the record while it lasts, Barry. It won’t be for long.
UPDATE, 7:25 p.m.: The Yankees have not given any update on the condition of Derek Jeter. I’ll let you know after the game what they tell us.
Meanwhile, those of you who are writing “extend A-Rod” need to realize that he is under contract through 2010. It’s up to him as to whether he opts out of his contract. At that point, he will get a new contract from the Yankees or somebody else. In theory, the Yankees could head that off by offering to extend his deal to 2013 at $30 per. But that process won’t happen until the end of the season.
UPDATE, 7:35 p.m.: Having a player like Abreu bunt is like asking a tackle to play tailback. Why do you want a player to do something he isn’t trained to do or has much experience doing? Swing the bat.
UPDATE, 8:04 p.m.: Jeter left the game with what is being described as a slight hip strain suffered in the first inning. He is day to day.
UPDATE, 8:16 p.m.: Now Roger Clemens is warming up. This game is getting nutty. … Now, inexplicably, Proctor is hitting with Basak and Nieves still available.
Is Robin Williams a Yankees fan?
Peter –
With all the talk about strength and conditioning coaching earlier this year – any info on how Dana Cavalea is doing? Is he accepted by the players? Has he been helpful? What does he do that is different from Miller? How do the players incorporate his drills with those of their own personal trainers?
Pete or anyone else, what do all the numbers in Vizcaino’s line mean? I think it’s IP-H-R-ER-BB-K, but if that’s the case Vizcaino has allowed 11 baserunners in his last 7 2/3 innings…not so good.
Half of those walks have been intentional. Vizcaino has been MUCH better in June than he was in May.
Let’s hope its the start of an upswing for him. They need somebody besides Mo who is dependable in that bullpen.
I agree with Torre’s call on Jorge. Two straight days off can’t hurt. Have to think long term about giving him some rest or he will be on fumes by August.
Robin Williams’ new movie looks like ass. It says something that im a hardcore fan of The Office but will avoid License To Wed despite it starring John Krasinski
Williams is from SF he is a Giants fan they just had him and Billy Crystal on ESPN NEws from the game pretty good stuff as you would think.
whoo hoo we get joe as the fox guy for the game
Anyone saw the line-up intro by R.William and B.Crystal? I wonder what and why was being cut after CMW was introduced?
Finally a game that we don’t have to watch on mute.
If Robin’s gonna read the lineups, do it normally or make it funny…
Whoa Jorge, I thought that was a sure double. What happened?
I thought that ball might drop the way they were all looking for it
It’s so nice to have Wang on the mound
Between Posada being thrown out and Melky and Abreu’s outs – the team has some hard-hit balls that haven’t worked out
Even Girardi has been Foxicized.
Peter,
what, no questions about the landmark series, Mork & Mindy?
Who can forget Garp? Okay, you got me there.
actually, I’m surprised Robin isn’t a yanks fan, considering he attended Juilliard.
Is something Wang with his neck?
Poor Melky!! Two games in a row he hits himself in the leg. Robbie was right there offering his leg guard. LOL I think Jorge was telling him to wear it!
I heard/read, that he still had some soreness/stiffness in his neck. But that was a few days ago.
I think Hidekis defense has gone down tremendously since he first came to the yanks. that play was a great example. he clearly misjudged that ball as he did the ball on the great catch last night. Its weird because I dont think his decline has been caused by a loss of speed or arm strength. he just seems to misjudge a lot more balls than i remember him doing earlier in his career.
it’ll be nice if wang can get through 6 given hes not dealing with his pitches the way he had his past few starts, more signs he truly is the ace
either way he gets 2 more outs and equals what igawa gave them last night – for a lot less money
Godzilla saved last night’s game with his glove – - – how quickly we forget!!!
Arod loves ATT Park.
Anyone see One Hour Photo? Good underrated flick. Robin is a little off-putting as a cross between Mr. Magoo and Ed Harris but he does a great job in making you forget all about his usual clownish self (he plays a loner-type man who obsesses over a woman and her family).
TK – If you read my post correctly I did refer to that as a “great catch”. my point is that he misjudges a lot of balls and many more than he did earlier in his career and he turned the wrong way on last nights catch as well. please at least read the post before commenting.
Yeah totally agree Helno51. If I remember correctly the book on him was homeruns and avg defense. The first year he came here he played pretty good d, but didn’t hit homeruns.
But yeah his defense has gotten worse. The play today, I think he got a bad read on, thats why he had to jump. (it’s hard to tell on tv, but thats what it looked like to me)
Williams and his upcoming movie, License to Wed, sounds like One Hour Photo only in a comedy form. It doesn’t really look that good, but I’ll probably see it since I’m a huge Office fan. I just hope it’s better than Evan Almighty.
Matsui’s defense is weird. It seems to go in cycles.
There are times he looks lost in LF.
Other times, he plays a terrific OF.
The last homestand, he made two plays in the gaps that not a lot of LF’s would have made.
Then, as other have noted, he misjudges routine fly balls.
Its strange how it goes with him.
Overall, two plays from Durham haved saved the Giants 3 runs.
Wang? Looks to me he’s a little jacked up today. IIRC, a lot of chinese fans in the stands today.
I am wondering if Pete can ask him in the game his feelings about that. I think that has contributed to his uneven pitching thus far.
The great thing about Wang is, he minimizes damage. A lesson other guys on the staff can take from him.
‘Ziller actually played CF and won a few gold gloves in Japan. While I agree that Hidecki is sometimes an adventure out in left the play in question was not the easiest ball to read. An opposite field line drive off the bat of a lefty with a high sun is no walk in the park. I am just happy he made the play, style points don’t get you anything extra (although someone may need to inform ESPN of that fact).
SJ44, I think it is that, and his neck might still have some soreness in it.
On a good note, we are seeing the ball very well. I wonder if the high altitude had a lot to do with our lack of hitting in Colo.
Eh, I don’t think it was the lack of altitude, we just ran into a team that has been playing very well.
I hope Jeter is OK
Just caught a little of this game on Fox. I thought Morris was awful against Boston. His stuff is even worse today. He is nowhere near the pitcher he was with St. Louis.
His stats would indicate that he’s having a good year. Incredible. Can anyone in the NL hit?
P.S. I’m more impressed by Posada every time I see him. The guy is out there every day and hits consistently, and with good power. A real pro …
P.P.S. To those wondering about Matsui’s defense. I think he’s noticeably slower than he was when he first joined the Yankees. Erosion of skills is more obvious to those who don’t see him every day …. and he never was an exquisite judge of fly balls.
Oh great did Jeter hurt his hip!!
Brian (rs fan). The only NL team that the Yankees faced that seemed really good was Colo. They had a lot of good unknown hitters there.
I meant to add, that overall the NL doesn’t seem very impressive.
Jennifer, I agree, not to use excuses, but the more we see the Yankees the last few days, it seems obvious the altitude in CO was the problem. Makes you wonder how teams in the Rockies division feel about it. The way I see it, the Rockies have the number one biggest home field advantage in baseball. Lesson learned for 5 years from now.
No they don’t. It almost seems weird – it seems that everyday the team is facing these NL pitchers that all have very good, if not great ERAs and the teams have good records
With an exception of Colorado, the team really hasn’t had much trouble at all with the NL
13 hits but only 4 runs to show for them…Thank God we’re playing the Giants! It would be nice to get a few more hits with RISP in this game.
By the way, did you all notice that Toronto beat Colorado again today? Pretty good chance for the sweep tomorrow. I guess they really are only Supermen when they play at Coors Field!
Miggy’s tippy toe stayed on the bag. Very good call.
What’s up with that Damon commercial sliding headfirst into home? Damon’s right – he was better with longer hair and a beard.
I know he’s hurt, but geeze – that signing looks awful now. Is there anyway he can be traded? He has a partial no-trade and the Yanks would have to eat a lot of the contract, but what’s the point of keeping him with Melky in center.
Lots of whining by the giants.
We need to score more runs and put this game away! 13 hits we should have more than 4 runs.
“13 hits we should have more than 4 runs.”
Jennifer – Yep, exactly what I said a few posts ago.
The Yankees rarely win low scoring games because their situational hitting is awful and their bullpen (with the exception of Mo) walk too many people.
I agree. They don’t score more runs, its going to be tough to win today.
Another day where better situational hitting puts the game away.
Without it, they now need to throw 3 shutout innings to win. Not going to be easy.
As long as Barry doesn’t beat us with a late homer… That would be absolutely unbearable!
Brian, I agree with you. It was discussed who would DH if Damon were Dl’d, and I think it should be Matsui, last night’s catch notwithstanding. DH him, put Thompson in LF and have the speed of Thompson and Melky running down balls. The lineup would suffer. I admit that, but Joe would have to play more littleball, and more the NL style of play—which, come to think of it, is what he did more of in 1996. Instead of going the power route (and that isn’t working, since Alex has 27 of the Yanks 76 HR)…go with speed, defense and littleball.
Have to score Rodriguez here. If we don’t, it’s really going to come back to bit us in the butt.
Another horrible fundamental hitting breakdown by the Yankees. Can’t advance Arod, Jorge swings at ball 4, and they now need a hit to score.
Robbie Cano, now under .200 with RISP needs to step up here.
Mike I forget about Kevin. Thats an idea. Kevin also has a pretty good arm too, right? So we’d have 3 great arms in the outfield.
Runner at second with no outs against a mediocre pitcher and one of the worst teams in baseball…this should be a gimme run.
Another putrid AB by Cano in an RBI situation. Further adding to his rep as the most overrated hitter in baseball.
The kid simply can’t drive in runs because he is too undisciplined at the plate.
Another inning where the leadoff runner at second can’t score and the Yankees continue to be the worst situational hitting team in baseball for this season.
Another awful display of fundamental hitting today.
Yanks deserve to lose this game…
Cano again. What a pita.
Is Mo available today?
Cano is becoming my least favorite Yankee.
Cano is a lot like Soriano…Oodles of raw talent, but completely unwilling and/or unable to refine and develop that talent into anything more. It’s frustrating to watch…
I think John Sterling is posting on this site, it is Chicago Dave.
cano with RISP is a joke…..
look at the stats……
posada 275 this yr with RISP also….
Wow that was a monster shot!!
Mo would probably be available for an inning.
Well, unless they find a way to score 2 or 3 more runs, given what we have seen this year, there is a 100% chance they lose.
You have to get Wang out of there now and turn it over to a bullpen of non-strike throwers.
Once again, being the horrible fundamental team they have been all year can cost them another game.
Just an awful, awful performance.
We could have put this game out of reach with a couple of singles, now they’re back in.
To my fellow Bonds haters. I would rather have the Yankees win than have Bonds deliver the game winning hit. THAT shows how much Bonds polarizes baseball fans.
P.S. Colorado hit a lot of bullets against Boston in Fenway. They are hitting in Toronto, but getting outscored. I think their offense is legit.
I really don’t buy the thin air acclimation theory (re: sucking wind in CO), especially for baseball players. Also, Clemens was there for three days, which is enough time to acclimate. You’ll hear that rationale given for football, basketball, etc., but if you use it for baseball, you might as well use it for curling. It’s a reach …..
Jennifer – Ouch, that was intended as an insult, right? Not very kind…
There is a reason why this is a .500 team and will remain that way for most, if not all, this season.
Its not injuries. Its lack of fundamentals.
They don’t advance runners. They don’t make productive outs. They don’t throw enough strikes. We have seen it all year.
The Red Sox have won 9 3-2, 2-1 or 1-0 games this year. The Yankees have won one.
One team has excelled at the fundamentals this year and the other has been among the worst in baseball. The standings reflect it.
I do not get why a Red Sox fan would post here.
Do you have that useless of a life? Its a beautiful saturday afternoon and you are on a Yankee blog posting. I’d say Get a Life but that seems too kind.
John always says they deserve to lose if they don’t play fundamental baseball. And you said we deserve to lose. In my mind the Yankees never deserve to lose.
Okay has anyone else seen enough of Mike Myers? He has one job on this team and he can’t do that right half the time.
Another walk from the garbage Yankee bullpen.
Our lefty “specialist” can’t throw a strike to a guy hitting .200. Unbelievable.
I take that back. Its not unbelievable because its been happening all season.
This is the reason why this team is going nowhere this year.
Playing one of the worst teams in baseball, their ace on the mound, and can’t hold a 3 run lead. Pitiful.
Well not getting a measily single, came back to bite them.
Okay has anyone else seen enough of Mike Myers?
Jennifer I agree with you there. I agree with the announcers. I think Jeter pretty much has control there and he should be concerned on trying to strike out.
Jennifer – I’m a diehard Yanks fan, but you’ve got to be realistic…sometimes the team DOES actually deserve to lose. When you don’t execute the most basic fundamentals of the game, you certainly don’t deserve to win.
For you Bruney fans, THAT’S why you can’t put him in close games. Ball one, as usual, then blows this game.
When you realize EVERY SINGLE GUY but Rivera is pure garbage in this bullpen, you will learn, as I have, second guessing Torre’s bullpen moves is a waste of time.
Nobody can be counted on and that’s why they no longer can win close games anymore.
Rufus – I didn’t mean to offend you. Thought I could offer some insight on Colorado and Morris, in that the Sox have seen them both recently. I just came back from the seashore (RI), so I do have a life. Thanks for your concern. You are too kind.
Damn
Yeah, Farnsworth does the same thing, he gets preoccupied with the baserunner instead of worrying about the hitter.
Jennifer, are you kidding me about that call in the bottom of the 6th? If you seriously can’t admit that you got away with one and Cairo’s foot wasn’t on the bag, you have issues.
Hey SJ
We get the point. Shut up already. If you want to call them dead in the water, we’ve had that prediction on record now 100 million times. Now if the Yankees should win the Wild Card you can do us all a favor and disappear.
I wouldn’t say deserve to win all the time, I would than say they were lucky!
Well bases juiced for Bonds.
Game over… Yankees will lose… here it is…. This is why the Yankees will not even win the wild card… same team I saw in Colorado.. friggin pathetic.
Great job by Bruney. Torre ought to just leave him in there to blow up now so everybody will shut up about giving him a bigger role on this team.
He, like everybody in this bullpen, should be elsewhere at the deadline. Another overrated non-strike thrower.
Oh, COME ON! You CANNOT walk Durham here! I think somebody asked the Padres GM once what his bullpen-building secret was. He said “I don’t go for guys that throw hard. I want them to throw strikes.”
Awful, just awful, how is this possible after those 9 games that were so good?
So, will Bruney walk in a run or give up a grand slam?
When did the bullpen get so bad????? What is Cashman doing with pitching?
Bonds get walked and the hte next batter gets a hit
This all started with Myers not doing his JOB!
Question answered…Yankee bullpen is an absolute joke.
Anyone still want to make Bruney the 8th inning guy?
I love Brian Bruney but hopefully this shuts up the people who think he’s a late inning close situation guy.
He’s just doesn’t have the control for that YET.
There is no one more depressing to read here than SJ44.
It is no longer about bad breaks and injuries. It is about not being able to throw strikes; not being able to do the job you are paid millions or hundredS of thousands to do (and that goes for offense and pitching).
It’s not fun to watch and it’s not wonderful to acknowledge, either, that this year’s Yankees are unrecognizable.
I agree with SJ44 that there is not a person, besides Mo, that is brought in in relief that is consistently reliable, and that’s putting it nicely.
I won’t give up on the team, there’s still more than half a season to play, and I want them to turn it around. But at some point you have to realize that there’s an awful lot that has to get turned around. I want to know why the fundamental baseball things are not being executed well. Is it age? Is it health? Those are the things the Yankees used to do well. I miss Ruben Sierra.
This has got to be the longest two men out and a score. Wake up Yanks
This team is just embarassing. I am have never seen a Yankee team with a bunch of ineffective players as this one. Poor fundamentals, bad pitching, no situational hitting.
This is just pathetic. No other words to use. Had a chance to sweep the Giants and now will lose 2 of 3. Mussina can’t pitch against the national league.
Villone hasn’t pitched in 8 weeks and Joe brings him in with the bases loaded!
Who’s coming up next Proctor?
Jennifer – This all started with the Yankee bullpen being absolute crap since Opening Day. Nice job, Brian C.!
NO, I won’t shut up. Wild Card? Are you kidding me?
This team can’t even play .500 baseball.
Take the superfan hat off. How exactly are they going to make the Wild Card? By blowing 3 run leads to horrible teams and have guy who can’t execute fundamentals and a bullpen who can’t throw strikes.
Shut up? All I read on this blog is how “Torre hates Bruney”. “Bruney has to pitch 8th innings”, “Bruney is the man and Torre is clueless”.
Guess what? He had a chance to “be the man” and did what he ALWAYS does when he is given the chance. Pitch like crap.
Here’s a newsflash. If only one guy in the bullpen can throw the ball over the plate, forget the Wild Card. Just hope they finish .500 this year.
If this team really had any guts, they would DFA the entire bullpen and start from scratch. Just a pathetic performance.
Sometimes, the truth hurts.
this is embarassing.. and now Ron Villone??
Villone gives up a hit… 2 runs score
I think Jete’s playing in pain. Lets see if we can hold em
I call it “calling a spade a spade.” All the Yankees had to do was get one out from the bullpen. So far, what have they done? It may, in fact, be depressing, but it’s SJ44 who is depressing, it is the team on the field.
they suck…I am a big yankee guy but really can there pen walk more guys?
they have 1 reliable guy in the pen..
nice walk myers, bruney did not come thru the beat goes on….
terrible clutch hitting they are not that good that is why they lose these games.. Unbelievable.
they have Villone in 50 50 he walks him unbeleivable
** I meant, it’s NOT SJ44 who’s depressing, it’s the team.
On a different note, I really hate Brenneman. Does anybody get as excited at the Yankees losing as this guy? When Bonds was walked I thought he was going to start crying out of joy like the little b**** he is. He doesn’t even realize how lame he is. Wasn’t he the guy last year against the Tigers in the last game comparing the two teams to Globogym and Average Joes from Dodgeball? Who the hell references Dodgeball, of all the bad, lame Ben Stiller comedies?
Quiz for bullpen, define a strike?
At this point, I just want someone – no ANYONE, to throw some strikes..
There was a reason Arizona released Bruney…Cause he walks so many freaking people.
Nothing is more basic in baseball than the need to throw strikes consistently…and pretty much no one in the Yankee bullpen (except Mo) can do that. This is unbelievable…
Am I wrong? If you throw a strike, even if the guy hits the ball, there’s at least a 7 in 10 chance it’s going to be an out?
Here it comes… hit
Wow i turn the game on as the yankees walk in the go-ahead run… maybe i should turn it off
one game = entire season
great logic
Why are we stuck with this bullpen???
I’d rather see young arms get up there and fail than these overpaid, can’t throw strikes phonies.
SJ, IYO, is there anything this team can do to fix the bullpen this year or are we just stuck till october?
At this point, why not give Great Britton and Edwar Ramirez a chance? Bring up some young fireballers. What do we have to lose? I’ve heard scouts say that at least those two should be up and it’s hard to argue that Meyers, Viz, Villone, etc. deserve the spots more.
Well, there’s still a couple of innings, still a chance.
And why are Edwar Ramirez and Chris Britton still in Scranton when its obvious that every member of the pen besides Mo sucks?
If there’s any good news, Brad Hennessey blows.
GuidryBall, they’ve played like this all year. The two weeks seem more like an aberration than the real thing.
SJ44 DFA’ing the whole pen is a little much.. But they need some reliability they have 1 guy and he pitches the 9th.
Now we can brign in farnsworth for the 8th really the chance is less then 20% he does not allow a baserunner in the inning that is a scary stat……..
myers is not good and they think he is a lefty specialist, ask carl crawford if he is a lefty specialist??????????
Doreen, all due respect, there is no way this team, as is it currently structured and playing today, comes back to win. They will sulk and give up in the last two innings.
Evidence, Damon is batting.
This bullpen is terrible, obscene, cowardly, preposterous!
Beside Mo of course. There is only one man who is capable of saving this pen from it’s shallow and meaningless fate.
That man is none other than..
Chris “GREAT” Britton.
DFA Myers and please call him ASAP.
We got some luck our way with that one. That was a long two men out
Who else is left to put in? They had to blow out the bullpen last night because Igawa couldn’t go 5 innings with a 5 run lead.
There is only one option in the bullpen….Mo. That’s it. Nobody else can pitch. They all stink.
I used to be the same way as some of you. Constantly criticizing Torre for his bullpen moves.
But, now I realize, he knows all of them stink. None of them can pitch in close games, which is why the Yankees record in one run games is the worst in baseball this year.
Girardi just said it best. Absent Mo, they average 13 walks per 9 innings of work.
What he didn’t add is, the bullpen has walked in 12 runs this year.
Its a joke.
Forget all this playoff talk. If Cashman is smart, he blows this thing up at the deadline and uses the second half of the year to see which of the guys in Scranton among Ramirez and Britton can be counted on for the future.
This team can’t win these type of games, you can forget playoff talk. Just hope they can win another game on this roadtrip. That would be nice.
Damon has turned into an old man before our very eyes
why, why, why, why, is Johnny Damon batting? Cashman needs to grow a pair and put him on the DL.
Cabrera having a pretty good day
Yanks 6-21 in games decided by 1 or 2 runs this year.
This team can come back. To say that they will give up is ignorant. Can they lose? Sure, but give up? Hardly, that’s what Yankee fans have been doing this season. Jumping on and off the bandwagon like a sea saw of fair weather fans.
WE ARE THE YANKEES!
Everyone talks about the Yankees bullpen walking too many batter but nobody mentions what is clearly obvious to me. The Giants players today have decided to talk walks but last weekend against the Red Sox they were swinging from their heels. This is the same story every game with every team. They all decide not to take the bat off their shoulders against us but in key situations against Boston, they are flailing away. If these same players acted the same way against every other team they played as they do against the Yankees then every team’s bullpen would look just as bad as the Yankees.
Awful job Yankees Bullpen Yet again. Myers is god awful. You cant give a walk stinking Dave Roberts.
Myers should’ve been off of this team a month ago.
If we are the Yankees, then there would be more fight in this team. There is not. I watched them for three games in Colorado. There is no fire, no running hard with a possibility of getting an extra base or beating out a single. There are no fundamentals – even Jeter got picked of three times in teh last three games.
See the swing by Jeter… Had no business swinging at that pitch.
bad job by Jeter, but keep the faith. Hopefully Bobby or A Rod will get Melky in. Melky has really improved lately, he looks like he belongs.
It’s true, when we were winning, everybody was raving. Now all of a sudden it’s the worst team in baseball again, and everybody is saying how embarassing this is…
I’m not saying we don’t have some problems (throw strikes people!), but still…
Arod maybe… Abreu is starting to pull off the ball again.
Come on, no fight in Jeter? He’s been hit with more objects in more places this year than you can count.
im getting so sick of abreu showing bunt
Jeff NJ… See his bat is dragging through the zone…. He will strike out on the next pitch. He is not seeing teh ball…
See. Game Over. Boston will win tonight and the Yanks will be 11.5 out. Wow. I am stunned. The Yankees are like the US… Very powerful on paper but not effective in decision making or execution. Just stunned.
yeah, the bad Abreu is back, hold em here, A Rod leads off the 9th, expect to see him walk. Then things will get interesting.
Abreu is a true bum. Take away his play during the streak and he has been downright terrible this year. They basically lost the Colorado series cause of him. Melky, Jeter, Arod and Posada all hit well in that series. The guy inbetween those hitters, Abreu, was a disgrace.
Well Phelps could DH, oh wait, no he can’t. Good thing we got rid of him.
Great. Now Jeter is swinging at pitches over his head. The epidemic of this offense all season.
And, Abreu follows it up with another swing of a ball two feet out of the zone.
So many holes on this team. Age, talent, inability to throw the ball over the plate, the most overrated offense in the game. Its full of guys who don’t swing at strikes, can’t execute the fundamentals, and have given up taking walks.
I was real resistant to calling up Ramirez and Britton because I thought some of these guys in the bullpen would step up. I couldn’t have been more wrong.
Its time for Cashman to send some messages to this team. Time to DFA some vets, send some others (including Cano) to AAA for a little while, and call up Britton and Ramirez and give them a shot.
Its a .500 team going nowhere. The perfect time to begin the housecleaning.
The way this team gives away games is embarrassing. If they want to play like the Devil Rays, its time to start treating them like a last place team. Get the Scranton shuttle going for those you can send down, and the DFA shuttle going for those you can’t.
Two good weeks and 8 awful one’s do not a playoff team make.
we already talked about this, a team that’s not winning almost automatically looks like it has no fight, no heart. It’s not like this is ice hockey where you can still rough a guy into a wall even if you’re down 4-0.
About Abreu, did that swing look as bad in RL as on GameDay?
Colorado Yank –
Just trying to be positive.
I know we all get on this emotional rollercoaster — when they win, we’re high and rolling nicely along; when they’re losing, man, it’s bad. So. Anyway.
Giants Relief pitcher just did what Yankees pitchers cannot seem to do — throw a freakin’ strike. It sure didn’t look that difficult to do, either.
Farnsworth is in…. Even Torre is giving up.
Just heard them say Jeter’s out.
oh god Krazy Kyle. can he actually have a 1-2-3.
he is not seeing the ball becuase he bails out against lefties because he is a woosy..
that ball was outside by a foot but he bails out with his front shoulder..
let’s see what great are we put in for the bottom of the 8th…
reliable Kyle or some other dreg, why not try Ramirez in earleir innings to see if he can compete at this level..
farnsworth is in should be about 20 to 25 pitch 15 minute painful experience…
Abreu showed bunt?
Please god tell me Abreu did not show BUNT with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs.
That is embarrassing, appalling, disgusting, Atrocious!
Everything is all right folks, THE FARNS is in the game now.
No he can’t What a SHOCK!!
Global he showed bunt! Why I have no idea, he isn’t here to BUNT!!
This is the worst performance by this team all season.
This may be the season killer. Ace on the hill. Have a lead in the 7th. Ton of hits. And lose to a dead last place team.
SJ44 you might be the most cowardly baseball observer of all time. We get it, you are a spoiled quitter. Now shut your trap.
“If Cashman is smart, he blows this thing up at the deadline and uses the second half of the year to see which of the guys in Scranton among Ramirez and Britton can be counted on for the future.”
This isn’t the Reds we’re talking about. The Yankees are 5 out of the WildCard. You want to quit on this team. Fine, now go complain somewhere else. Otherwise show some guts. Saying Bruney stinks is funny… so he doesn’t get praise when he DOES get big outs. But when he fails that means that’s all you’re going to consider? Pretty fair evaluation. I wanted Myers gone before this year started, but I still believe Bruney and Proctor are solid contributors. Britton and Edwar are nice and I like them, but they aren’t guaranteed to do anything – and believe me b/c I’ve been shouting for Britton for a long time.
In this instance, SJ44, I almost hate to agree with you. But something drastic seems to need to be done. Major players need to be benched. They are not doing the job. I don’t care if they’re “pressing.” You know I’m one of the people out here who will always champion their work ethic. But it is undeniable that there is no dependable bullpen. Mo has been fine. Proctor okay. Vizcaino seems to be straightening himself out, but is not yet in the category of being someone you automatically call in. The rest? Hah!
Cano needs to learn some plate discipline. Damon needs to be DL’d. Beyond that, I don’t know what realistically can be done. And the Red Sox keep rolling merrily along. Not as hot as they were, but then again, they don’t need to be…
SJ44 is the worst person to comment here during a loss. Reading him makes me want to claw out my eyeballs.
I knew Jeter looked hurt. I think he’s been playing in pain a while now. He seems a little slower getting around the bases. Hopefully it’s nothing too serious.
Fire Torre and Cashman at season’s end if not sooner, Big Stein!!!
In Jeter’s defense, he is hurt. If I am the Yankees, I shut him down until he is healthy. No sense risking Derek Jeter in a furious fight to be a .500 team this year.
Please, Josh Phelps? He of the “Brian Bruney is the Man” fan club? He is the offense version of Bruney.
Folks crave him until he plays. Then, he can’t do anything.
This team isn’t a bad team because Josh Phelps is gone.
They are a losing team because they can’t execute the fundamentals and have a bullpen full of non-strike throwers.
As the poster said, 6-21 in games decided by 1 or 2 runs. That shows, no bullpen, no fundamentally sound offense.
Guidryball,
What makes you think this team is capable of winning the wild card? Take away the streak and they have been one of the worst teams in the American League. Can they turn it around? Sure, I just haven’t seen much to suggest they will.
Hey SJ, maybe you should follow your own advice and take some time off from baseball.
31 appearances.
Just 3 1/2/3 innings out of Farnsworth(less).
what happened to jeter?
the yanks should not blow it up SJ is wrong but they need to make some moves; I do not care if they are giving ramirez a shot out of the pen or britton or trading or signing a guy like Mitlon Bradley but they can make amrginal moves to try to help the team.
no they should not trade; cano(even though he is aknucklehead), melky, kughes, etc……
but they can make some moves to try to improve the pen and bench….there bench is so bad Damon is playing a little here and there and he stinks right now.
BTW if Giambi can comeback to DH that is fine the starting 8 today with Giambi at DH is very strong but there pen walks to many guys and is not consistent enough and there 5th starter is a total crap shoot..
they are a 500 team at present but giving up is a joke…….
Mark
They’re 5 out with 91 to play. That’s my proof.
Send Cano to AAA? your kidding me? Get a RH bat that can play the OF and platoon Abreu.
Sj you are over the top Jeter will play SUnday mark my word…..
Bruney is not Phelps but he is not Okajima either..
Sorry to be the voice of reason. SJ44 speaks the truth. He is a realist. Those of you who think they can make the playoffs are delusional.
ok lets see if my A Rod walk prediction comes true.
If they win today is will anyone say SJ44 is wrong?
EXTENSION NOW!!!!!!!!!
Greatest player ever
Ho-hum, I guess we should give up since A-Rod only cares enough to hit a solo shot
See when you have faith you are rewarded.
A-Rod the check is in the mail.
ITS OVER OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING. get a grip people. now to get 1 more run… hmmm
I was right, A Rod is walking, around the bases. YES A ROD, GO YANKEES! KEEP THE FAITH!
I hope Jete’s not pushing it. If he’s hurt and playing hurt it could get worse. He’s doing the right thing by sitting out right now. We need him healthy especially after the allstar break.
Hey SJ44
Now you can crawl back under your rock
Homer for AROd…In Bond’s house.
wow, the Yanks would probably be the worst team in the AL without Rodriquez.
That was a bomb by Rod
even if they don’t score agin, joe, break with your pattern and bring in mo for an inning on the road. go for the win.
nice that everyone else follows his lead and takes some pitches
Okay. Pay Alex whatever he wants.
Now, do they bring in Farns again, or go right to Mo?
Anyone that called A Rod unclutch in the past should have to do community service for that crime.
Ok I don’t think we should bash SJ44, he is my favorite poster by far, and he speaks the truth about the bullpen. However DFA’ing etc is a little much with the Yankees offense. They always have the ability to get back in the game.
Usually I am not thrilled about our chances in tie games on the road, but you gotta figure agains this team, we have a shot. SJ, come back on board, it’s wasy more fun this way.
Those were some pathetic at-bats following A-Rod.
who pitches the 9th???
CLueless Kyle? Proctor? Mariano???
“Quote From Foulkey Reese from Sosh Boards”
Arod feasts off of terrible closers
Oh Really, then I guess Papelbon is a terrible closer then. he hit a off him.
ARod keeps the Yankees in the game.
When the Yanks won 11 out of 12 I didnt think people were saying ship Cano to AAA and make Abreu a platoon player.
Ridiculous fans.
Wonder if Pete’s going to update us on Jete
A-rod was unclutch in the past, these season though he’s turned it around but it doesnt change the past
Why is Rivera not in there.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vizcaino, despite his recent success, makes me seriously nervous
What a jerk that Arod is. He ruined SJ’s day!
arod is unbelivable.. they need to f’n extend his contract right now
Guidry Ball. Give me a break.
Arod is my favorite Yankee. Its a shame they are wasting his last year here. He TIED the game. Big hit.
I guess you forgot they blew a 3 run lead and your boy Bruney couldn’t throw the ball over the plate.
They haven’t won this game, have they.
Even if they do, what’s it mean in the big picture? You think this bullpen, and this team is a playoff team?
Do you even watch other teams?
Please. Its taken one of the greatest starts in HISTORY by a player to make this a .500 team.
That’s all the proof you need to demonstrate how bad they have played this season.
If Arod ever cools off or, God forbid Mo gets hurt, you will Tampa Bay-like futility from this team.
I don’t need to crawl back under any rock. Sometimes, the truth hurts.
If you think a .500 is going to make the playoffs in the AL, you know nothing about baseball.
by the way Toronto 20 runs off Colorado pitching in two games on in Toronto PATHETIC series that was
vizcaino is finally proving his worth, lets hope this version of luis stays fr the rest of the year
Maybe SJ should go follow the Red Sox. They are the perfect team, afterall.
Rivera is not in there because he has to pitch the save if they score.
duh….
Astoria, Despite the fact that he was awesome during the streak, Abreu has been terrible the rest of the season. I would trade that guy in a heartbeat, although its doubtful another team would want a lethargic right fielder with minimal power.
BONUS CANTOS!
Don’t wqorry everyone. The APB I put out on Vizcaino was successful and the real one has no shown up for the Yanks the past 10 outings.
The fake Vizcaino will be tortured and sent to Boston.
Ok just for fun, pretend Bochy was the Yankee manager and he took out your biggest HR threat for defense in the 9th. Start bashing. Bonds has probably already showered and left.
A ROd is SJ’s favorite Yankee?
Yeah right!
I bet last year he was trying to run him out of town and calling him unclutch at every moment.
We’ve read you here all year overreact and you’re going to try to tell everyone here you weren’t anti A Rod last yr?
Get off it, pal.
I will admit it SJ and others are right Vizciano has pitched much better. I do not expect marian #’s from him just pretty good stuff.
I have been watching baseball for well over 30 yrs. Arod is playing day in and day out the best i have ever seen.
He is fielding well, stealing bases on occasion and mashing like no one ever..
Without him they would be in big trouble………
Didn’t ruin my day at all.
That’s what some of you don’t realize. I am a huge Arod fan and Yankee fan. I think its a rotten shame this team is squandering his last year in pinstripes.
I don’t think the way this team plays week after week, except for two fluky weeks, is acceptable.
If you guys think this bullpen distinguishes itself, ok, by me.
Today is another example why Torre has zero confidence in many of these guys.
If I am Cashman, I get rid of some of these guys. They are just wasting space on the roster.
How many more times do you have to see the same guys being incapable of getting outs to realize they can’t pitch?
Sj44
Bruney isn’t my boy. He’s better than you give him credit though.
All I know is you whine like a baby when they lose and disappear when they win. You are more of a Red Sox troll than a Yankee fan.
And the truth does hurt when it’s the truth. When it’s a bitching baby spewing conjecture, it’s much more negativity than anything resembling fact.
Good news is, we are not without him, this year anyway. His HR’s count and the games he’s won for us count in the standings. If we could strengthen the weaknesses on the team without mortgaging the future, we can complete the comeback to make the playoffs for the 13th consecutive year.
Guidryball,
Can you pick a better handle? Ron Guidry has proven incapable of handling young pitchers. Notice how everyone who came up got worse as they went along, especially T-clip and Desalvo.
Quote from FlashRadical sosh Boards
I think ARod could use a beaning. I seem to remember Matsuzaka hitting him and then him going into a funk for good while.
3 words for you Mark: regression to mean.
i hate ur rhetoric sj, “I am a huge Arod fan and Yankee fan. I think its a rotten shame this team is squandering his last year in pinstripes.” pitiful, if he stays don’t post here ever again.
And I love the “If they didn’t have A-Rod, this team would stink”
Isn’t that the whole point of a team. A-Rod does still play for the Yankees, right? He isn’t an independent contractor whose homeruns and rbi’s only count toward his statistics. As part of the team he helps them win games. If we took David Ortiz (or Manny) off of the Red Sox what kind of team would they have?
hey look a Sox fan took time out from banging his boyfriend in the a$$ to post on a yankees blog
I don’t know man, In my opinion it is the job of the pitching coach to help his pitchers make adjustments that will keep them ahead of the curve so to speak. Obviously with guys like Moose, Petite, Clemens and Wang he doesn’t have to tell them anything. His most important job, IMO, is teaching his young pitchers how to adjust. I think its pretty obvious he did a poor job of this, and believe me I am not the only one who feels that way.
Is anyone watching this season unfold? This is not the same team as last year. Not the same team that was able to withstand BOTH Sheffield AND Matsui out long-term; Cano out for 6 weeks. No dependendable #4 and #5 starters. They did it with smoke and mirrors, but they did it. It was the second year in a row they made a great season out of bad breaks. This year they’re playing like they’ve HAD IT. They can’t sustain anything.
Think about it.
You can kill the messenger, I guess, but no one’s saying you can’t still pull for the Yankees to come out of this and salvage the season. I’m very disappointed with how things are going, but it is what it is.
Astoria,
Let you in on a little secret. Arod is friend of mine.
That’s right. I have known him for over 20 years. Ever since he was a little kid.
Some of the folks on this blog who know me personally will verify it.
So, good call on your part.
I don’t need to root for the Red Sox. I am not a Red Sox fan. I just don’t think this team can continue to play .500 baseball and keep things status quo.
Look back on Yankee history. You want a comeback into a race? You have to shake some things up.
Torre doesn’t deserve to be fired but, some guys need to be gone from this team to show this kind of play is unacceptable.
The Yankees have done that in the past. Why not now?
If you think their play is acceptable this year, we have nothing to talk about.
But, you can’t win games in the AL if your bullpen can’t throw the ball over the plate. Until they find guys who can, no lead is safe. Over the course of a 162 game season, especially with an older team like the Yankees, that’s going to take its toll.
Sorry you don’t approve Mark.
Somewhere in between being born and being the Yankees pitching coach he was one of the most important Yankees during their 70s championships. But I guess those don’t count b/c they didn’t occur after 1995?
Not here when they win? Are you for real. I am here on most game nights.
Give me a break.
Its not my fault I am not a cheerleader.
If you think everything is rosy, fine by me.
I know better and know things are not.
Lots of holes on this team and, if you have bothered watching them more for than the last two weeks, you would see that.
haha, i mean I love what guidry did for the yanks when he pitched, i just think he’s been a poor pitching coach.
SJ, you know A Rod? Wow. I actually have a theory that SJ44 is Peter’s alter ego. Just something to think about.
Anyone else concerned if SJ44 is friends with A-Rod and seems to be so confident A-Rod is gone after this year? (not that I was overly confident he was going to stay)
yeh a-rods my friend too…
Nice job by Kevin! Now is Bobby going to bunt again?
Thanks Pete for the update. Who would have thought we would be in the 11th inning with the Giants.
There is the pinch hitter that should be used instead of Phillips.
And now whiff is showing up…
Odds he shows bunt or tries to bunt?
Bobby Aboo Aboo might but
“Torre doesn’t deserve to be fired ”
That’s not what you had to say in April
“This is why he needs to be fired. He has absolutely no idea what he is doing anymore.
At this point, he is stealing money just like Pavano is.
What a joke.”
Is anyone’s picture on fox breaking up?
bunt*
Did they say the reason Bonds was out?
I guess I’m in the minority, but I love reading what SJ44 has to say (not specifically today) but love reading what he has to say about the minor leaguers in particular
Well, Mark, I think there might be truth to what you’re saying. It might be partly Guidry. But I’m just trying to keep these statistical issues in mind too, it’s a game of many variables and variability, right? I mean, Hughes’ second start wasn’t much worse than his first one, for example. And I’d say the first call-ups of these guys are also a bit helped by excitement, if they have the right make-up for it, and their relative obscurity to the other team. But fair enough, you also have a point talking about adjustments.
Kevin Thompson always seems to make the most of his opportunites, even though he is basically on witness protection on this team. Big hit there, Thompson should be able to score pretty easy with a couple of well placed balls.
Abreu has been on the mark lately.
mark – I’m not sure it’s Guidry’s fault that the kids have faltered. Honestly, I think either a) they weren’t all that good/talented to begin with (DeSalvo), or b) they really weren’t prepared to pitch at the big league level when they were brought up (Clippard). Either way, I don’t think Guidry screwed up anybody.
Maybe for defense? Not sure.
FOX said for defensive replacement..
PATHETIC WORTHLESS GO THE F HOME
Jennifer,
Yeah, but I’m watching it online. It was fine but now it’s flickering.
SJ
No one is debating the idea that the bullpen needs to perform better and that some moves should be made.
People are just sick of your absolute DEFEATISM as a supposed “Yankees fan.” All I hear is negativity and complaints. Of course this team is not playing up to their capabilities, but you overblow things so badly, I would think you were auditioning for a Jim Carrey role.
Saying that ARod is wasting his final year in pinstripes is not something a true Yankees fan would say. It just isn’t. That is the attitude of either a hopeful Red Sox fan, or just a completely pessimistic, quitting, loser.
Why does Torre have his 3rd hitter bunt?????
Never use Bobby Abreu to bunt again.
Thanks.
Uck, Abreu stinks up the easy things too.
nice job by abreu – are you kidding me – the #3 hitter – maybe arod can save them but that was putrid by bobby abreu
Yep, that was effective. Would have been better to see him strike out. If this is what 16 million is like, then I want a job NOW!!!
Great job!! We bunt and we still only have a runner at first! But we have an out!! Why not let him hit! Maybe he’ll get a double and than you have runners on 1st and 2nd.
I guess Abreu is back to slumping.
you guys need to lay off SJ44. he provides honest, critical opinion that reflects how much he is upset with a $200 mil team being .500. in addition, he knows 10x more than any of you about the yankees’ farm system. everybody expects the yankees to win every game. that’s not how it works, but it’s difficult not to expect that with half the team being repeat all-stars. And the bullpen is an embarassment. people point to pavano being the biggest mistake of any free-agent signing. this is wrong. the biggest mistake has been to “support” and “keep faith,” as well as assume people are pitching well based on results. this is a serious mistake. henn never pitched well at the beginning of the year (too many walks, too few strikeouts). neither did vizcaino (a horrible BB-K ratio). the yankees’ insistence on keeping farnsworth for as long as he has is also inexcusable. proctor is the only one who should still stay, unfortunately, he’s too dumb in terms of pitching to be an 8th inning guy. he’s good in 6th/7th inning situations. the only possible solution THIS season is to acquire otsuka, by hopefully giving up no more than some combination of wright/clippard/brett smith. this would give the yankees 3-4 extra wins down the stretch.
Alex comes thru in the clutch again!
Go HIP HIP!!
This is where the bunting miss kills us. Abreaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
ok this is a big test. Can we score the runner from 3rd with less than two outs?
That’s got to be approaching some sort of record – on base 10 times in 2 games
I never talk to Arod about his future plans so, I am not giving any clues in that regard.
Just my own opinion the Yankees won’t extend him if he opts out.
I hope they do because I think NY is the best spot for him.
But, I NEVER discuss that kind of stuff with him. Not my place.
Don’t understand Abreu bunting in that situation. If he was successful, it takes the bat out of Arod’s hands. Don’t understand that move.
Now, its time for someone to drive in a run from third with less than 2 outs.
Geez the picture on fox is almost unwatchable! Can someone at fox wake up and see the picture is horrible.
A-Rod is AMAZING….
Let’s get at LEAST a sacrifice here Jorge. Less than 2 out runners in scoring position.
Alright they’re walking him.
It’s up to you Hideki!
Man AROD is having an unbelievable month of June.
this is worse than watching scrambled porn.
If Matsui tries to pull the ball, double play…. if he will just go wtih the pitch like earlier in the game, 2 runs score.
Playing for the double play
Hopefully Matsui will get a nice clean double down the right field line.
Dave K, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Newspapers have also tried to ask A-Rod’s “friends” about clues. Result? Conflicting reports, one “close friend” reported he was going to opt out for sure, another one said he was definitely staying.
A-ROD!!!!
if Bobby’d only bunted correctly… Anyway, they HAVE to score here.
vote for Posada for catcher in the All Star game!! What’s wrong with everyone! He is by far the best in the AL this year. There is no way that I-Rod or Veri-crap should start in front of him. Vote for this guy as much as you can.
Fox is fine on my HDTV. could be your cable provider. I switched to DirecTV today. Let’s go MAtsui!
I like Hideki’s chances a bit better than Jorge’s in this situation.
Matsui will strike out
Walk Posada ?
…and KT singles.
Wrote before Pete, DH Matsui and put KT in LF for a while…at least until a possible deal could be made. While KT is there, use his speed in the OF and on the basepaths.
Great job matsui!
Matsui, are you serious?
Kiss my Greek arse… this team sucks.
The fox announcers made a great point…if Bobby’s bunt had worked, A-Rod would’ve been walked, and who knows what would happen.
That strikeout is absolutely TERRIBLE.
Matsui!
Come ON!
then why are u so sure its his last year sj if u never talk to him aout it…
“I am a huge Arod fan and Yankee fan. I think its a rotten shame this team is squandering his last year in pinstripes.”
cashman is gonna have to go back on his word. forget a-rod’s 3/81 remaining contract. at this point, somebody (giants) will offer at least 8/210. the organization is gonna have eat its word, because they need him, badly. 7-8 gms under 500 this year without a-rod.
my guess is abreu did that on his own and it wasnt torres decision
if you want to talk about fundamentals that guy is at the top of the list
and the talk here about the yankees failing to get the runners in was just proven as matsui goes down weakly
Anyone who thinks the Yankees cannot compete for the Wild Card is retarded. Vizcaino, Rivera, and Proctor are three solid relievers. Bruney may not be eighth inning material but he can certainly pitch the 6th or 7th no problem.
Come on Robbie!! Matsui looked like crapola up there.
Patience Cano!
He looked like my grandmother trying to get ahold of her walker… freakin unbelieveable….
Another brutal day for Matsui in San Fran.
Disgraceful inning.
The Yankees will extend A Rod after this year, that’s all there is to it
andrew 33 i don’t think he did it on his own. He spoke with larry before his ab.
WOW terrible inning, bases loaded one out and don’t score a run!
Bases loaded.
One out.
And they cant score one run?
That’s disgraceful…can’t get the runners in loaded with 1 out?
andruw jones at the all-star game? ludicrous
Scott coming in, thank goodness he doesn’t hae to face Barry.
Yanks really don’t want to win this game. In fact, I think A-Rod is the only won isn’t “in” on their plan!
Gotta love our #3 hitter bunting there. Abreu can’t get off this team fast enough. Rather have Sheffield and all his antics than soft Abreu.
Cool All Star Game comercial, that’s the first time I saw that today, I joined late. Funny that Giambi was in it, that was silly. Overall though, that was great.
There are plently of players leading votes for the all star game who don’t deserve to be there.
Cano 200 with bases loaded.. bad AB for Matsui but considering his track record you cannot get that upset.. Man can we blow any more chances then this.
what a joke………..
How many time have Yankees left handed hitters struck on sliders in critical situations?
17 hits, a bunch of walks, and 5 runs. Eeegh. I don’t know if they’re getting too excited up there or what.
Of course, I meant only “one” not “won”…
Very frustrating to watch this team continue to execute the fundamentals in those situations.
They have been the worst team in baseball this season getting runners in from third with less than 2 outs and with advancing runners from second to third with less than 2 outs.
Too many boom or bust swings.
Better execution and this game would have been won in 9 innings. That, and the lack of strikethrowers in the bullpen, have killed this team more than injuries this season.
Tough to watch.
xryanx…REALLY. What wild card team out there right now sucks big time with bases loaded 1 out, game on the line…. Cleveland scores, Tigers score, Boston scores, Angels definately score, even Seattle scores…. The Yankee, sucking wind.
I admire the positive feeling but there is no way a team makes the playoffs with a performace like that…. Now the pitcher HAS to bat if there is a next inning…
STEINBRENNER/CASHMAN, go to Jiffy Lube, get your oil changed and pull your freakin heads out… this team is a disgrace.
What’s with the Abreu flip flopping. He slumps, everyone hates him, he gets hot and he’s the Yankee hero and it’s back to hating him again…
Xyarnx,
Proctor and Viz are good relievers? Uhh, they don’t inspire much confidence in me, probably cause they have combined for 46 walks in 73 innings.
Whoa, Mo is the last reliever left in the pen. Moose better go 8 tomorrow.
Cano was 3 for 28 (.107) with RISP and 2 out entering the game. Ouch.
Is that 7 runners in this game left on base by Cano?
Yanks Team LOB so far in this game is up to 14. Christ, that’s awful…
How long before SJ comes on here and says Matsui should be traded and Cano should be in Triple A?
is it a rule you have to get to a 3 ball count on every batter????
Jeff thats what happens when you have a pitcher who goes 4 innings, than an extra innings game.
Is Wang hurting? He seemed to be a little off today.
thats interesting then jenifer i missed him speaking with bowa – i dont understand that call then
“Moose better go 8 tomorrow.”
We’ll be lucky if Moose goes 6 (that’s my guess).
fox is a mess transmission breaking uppppppppppppppppp
Well we have an off day Monday for everyone to get some rest.
Too bad Andy threw his bullpen session already. We could have used him right about now!
87?
Moose going 8? I highly doubt it. I’d be really pleased if he could put out 7 quality innings. 6 is a more realistic goal.
Chicago Dave – those were exactly my thoughts
Who is up next for us?
Torre’s not allowed to use Pettitte in relief, Michael Kay said he can’t.
What did Melky do? I lost my picture!!
I can’t believe that just happened.
ok wtf was that?
Nice try Astoria. Missed the call on Arod and now tryin’ new stuff. Keep trying.
What is so wrong about saying this team is awful at executing fundamental hitting principles (as in being completely unable to make productive outs and advancing runners) and being critical of a bullpen that has walked more people, and walked in more runs this season, than any team in baseball.
You don’t need to spend 200 million bucks for that.
Now, we watch a routine third out drop in. I guess you think that’s good baseball.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
Pretty soon Basak’s gonna be throwing.
Yep that is the performance of a playoff, wild card team… NICE!!!!!
dave roberts – hopefully not him
Just thinking out loud – but what happens if lets say the Yanks score on a run in the top of 12th, and then Rivera gives one back in the bottom
That’s a pretty awful situation to be in to have only Rivera left in the bullpen
Who is left in the pen beside Mo? Hopefully we score here, than we don’t have to worry about it.
“Just thinking out loud – but what happens if lets say the Yanks score on a run in the top of 12th, and then Rivera gives one back in the bottom”
Then everyone in the bullpen will officially suck, and the season will be over.
-SJ44
what an excruciating game. the yanks have had so many chances it is a joke…
let’s pull this out, please…..
Just looked Mo is the only reliever left!! We could have Roger pitch an inning! LOL Thats what happens when you have a pitcher who can only pitch to one guy.
Clemens only went 4 1/3 the other day. Should this game be extended, he may come in.
Whose throw day is it
Where is Zilla?
17 hits, 3 BB, 1 error by SF… why do we have ONLY 5 runs!!!
Next guy in after Mo, I think would be either Andy or Roger. I think we’ll score here and Mo will hold it though.
Yanks next best chance to score is when A-Rod steps to the plate. Other than that, whoever is pitching better keep putting up zeros…
gayle – It as Andy’s throw day…but he threw already.
Call me crazy, but has the umpire’s strikezone widened since he got hit on the foot by that ball?
Gonzo June 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pm
then why are u so sure its his last year sj if u never talk to him aout it…
“I am a huge Arod fan and Yankee fan. I think its a rotten shame this team is squandering his last year in pinstripes.�
Still waiting for an answer there. By the way, Jessica Alba are close friends. It’s not my place to ask but I just know she’s going to ask me to marry her
GuidryBall – Jessica Alba?! Man, you lucky dog, you!!! How’d you swing that?!
This strike zone is 3 feet wide
slight left hip strain for Jeter
Gotta get to the top of the 13th somehow…Save us, A-Rod!
Wow we are in trouble. Who pitches the bottom?
ok this is getting crazy. I think Mo’s coming in, can’t imagine he could pitch even two, but maybe. Funny this game has no Jeter, Bonds or Matsui, it might take awhile. “Andy I know you threw already, but you think you could give us a inning or two?”
Won’t be shocked if it is Roger.
Time to get Roger up and throwing.
the ump is giving Kline this outside pitch it is ridiculous….
this may be the worst loss of the yr if it occurs rivaling some other real doosies…..
Haha Chicago.. dunno, guess she dug my online syntax.
BTW, that was two of the most awful called strikes in the history of organized baseball. Two pitches that were 2 feet off the plate called strikes against KT. I know he’s not 10=5 player, but give him a chance for God’s sake.
Shows what I know, Scotty is still in there.
We’re going to win this game.
one pitch one out. Scottie still in. And fox still hasn’t fixed their picture!
Isn’t it nice Bochy took Bonds out of the game?
Okay our “big three” are up! We have to do something.
A Rod and Mo shine in the 13th.
Lucky 13?
uggh! That doesn’t sound too good with Jete. Hope two days off will give him time to heal. Knowing Jete it’s going to kill him not being in the game.
Looks like we will be starting off with the big hitters. This may be our inning. Gotta give it up to both teams defense keeping not giving up.
Dave
I would bet my bottom dollar that Bonds took himself out of the game. I don’t think extra inning games agree with his knees
Win or lose, you have to admit the Yankees are showing heart today, sometimes that’s all we can ask for.
I know SF is lousy, but you wouldn’t know it by their combined relief stats for this game so far: 6.2 IP, 4 hits, 1 run, 3 walks, 7 strikeouts.
They were ahead by a run when Bonds came out. He was out in the top of the 9th.
Bonds was out for defense before the 9th.
Why is everyone convinced and speaking like the Yankees are going to lose? The Giants aren’t that good.
I was right!! Roger going out to the pen!!
I was right!! Roger going out to the pen!!
ROGER IS WARMING!
Here comes Roger
Yeah other than Mo, all we have left are starters. can’t use Moose, can’t use Wang, can’t use Andy, … that leaves the rocket and Igawa.
Good thing he didn’t take advantage of the family plan.
Oh god Scottie batting. wtf!
Why the hell is Proctor hitting?!
So Proctor is hitting, and Clemens stops throwing.. hmm..
Can’t use Igawa either, he pitched yesterday. Roger has stopped throwing. Proctor will stay in the game!
13th inning, this game might break records.
This is why I hate NL baseball…The pitcher always seems to come up when you’re trying to put a rally together!
Am I missing something? Was proctor a batting stud somewhere else?
Proctor is going to give up a big hit. Bank on it. THIS IS WHY JOE TORRE SHOULD BE FIRED. THE ABREU BUNT, MYERS COMING IN, AND PROCTOR HITTING. UNREAL.
Gotta figure Britton or Henn will be recalled before tomorrow’s game and that Damon will go to the DL to make the roster spot available and waive the 10 day stay in the minors requirement.
Game to keep going? 350 to come for Roger as a reliever?
could be…
Well if Proctor pitches the 13th and gives up a run then I can’t fault him at all.
Proctor has only thrown like 25 pitches but I would have pitch hit Basak….
Brought Clemens in, he pitched like 3 days ago this is his throw day.
then they would have had nieves left at that is it….
not a terrible decision but I would have done differently.
Posada is not playing tommorrow for sure…..
Follow along GuidryBall.
I don’t ask Arod about his future plans. I could care less if you believe me or not.
But, let me give you a lesson in baseball economics.
The ENTRIRE industry is filled with money. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays, of all teams, is one of the most profitable teams in baseball. Thanks to Bud and his revenue sharing plan.
My OPINION is, Arod will opt out because Scott Boras KNOWS teams will over him huge dollars over a 7 or 8 year period.
That puts the Yankees in a dilemma. Do you re-up Arod for 7-8 years and over 200 million dollars or do you let him walk?
Not an easy answer.
My opinion is, unless the Yankees have a change of heart, they won’t extend him. Especially if, the Angels, as has been rumored, are looking to pay him over 200 million dollars if he opts out.
Scott Boras is based in Newport Beach, California, a stone’s throw away from Angels Stadium.
Arod has sick numbers in that stadium. The Angels not only have a lot of money, they have a lot of pitching.
Is it so far fetched to think the Angels can step up and make him a huge offer? Is it so far fetched he would accept it?
I don’t think its far fetched.
if we lose, is it more of a disappointment that it went so long or would it have been better to lose quickly?
Think about it….Nieves and/or Basak getting a hit or a walk is just about as likely as Proctor getting a hit.
Long time lurker, first time poster. It takes 13 innings to do it.
This is going to be one of the worst Torre losses of all time. It’s obvious that nothing will ever top the World Series Jeff Weaver move but this is going to be painful.
is there anyone whos a yankee fan who thinks this thing ends well today – disgraceful
I’d rather lose in 9 than in 13 for sure.
And you cannot fault Proctor for this if he gives it up. He pitched yesterday and he’s 2.2IP today. If Torre gets away with this I’m going to be shocked.
Proctor has been stellar today.
good call jennifer about clemmons
Is there anyone here that’s a Yankees fan who isn’t thinking doomsday scenarios?
Its not Proctor’s fault today. Can’t ask for anymore out of him.
If Myers and Bruney can’t throw the ball over the plate, and the team is completely unable to get runs in from third with less than two outs, its tough to blame Proctor for this since he has no business being out there for his third inning of work.
BRING IN MO THIS IS THE GAME
Who’s going to be the first person to bitch that Rivera didn’t play?
!@#$%!
Well thats 5 hours of my life Ill never get back
Such a bloop. Of course.
whoops, too late thanks to Bryan
simply painful
THANKS A LOT JOE YOU GODDAMN IDIOT.
The more SJ posts the more depressing he sounds. You should change your handle to “Captain Critical”
Tomorrow Torre will have to leave Mussina out there all day even if he gets the living piss beat out of him.
Bryan beat you to it Ryan.
Tough luck for Proctor. I mean, the Vizquel single and the winning hit both found a very small hole.
Deserved to lose this game. Play like crap all season, you lose games like this.
Let’s see, shot bullpen of non-strike throwers….Jeter hurt, only Arod can hit in the clutch, a 5 inning, excuse ridden starter going tomorrow, which means our .130 hitting catcher is in the lineup.
Yup, sounds like a playoff team to me.
LEFT HANDED ROOKIE BATTER 2 OUTS WITH A GASSED PROCTOR WHERE THE F WAS RIVERA TORRE!!!!!!!
the yankees are a 500 team – no more – playoffs – hahaha – come on – no one rakes on this team but arod
the bullpen pitching (and proctor did all he could) is generally awful
and mike mussina goes tmrw – figure it’ll be too windy out for him and he’ll be out after 4
not their year, not with this team
hopefully sj is wrong and arod comes back, because without him how many under 500 are they this year — my guess is 10
wow, some of you (coughxryanxcough) seem like huge dbags.
classic way to loose. a bloop symbolizes this season.
I didn’t post because I wanted to watch the game but really why not bring in Mariano, saving him for what… so they run out of pitchers 2 innings later, if they cannot score in 2 more innings screw it they do not deserve to win..
17 or so men left on base another disgracefully lose.
I think 4 and 13 in 1 run games they just are not that good..
the pen and clutch hitting…………………….
That was what is called a
BAD LOSS
bases loaded one out and you cant score in extra innings?
Sinful
The one thing I don’t get is Kevin Thompson gets a hit leading off the top of the 11th. Thompson is the fastest player on the team. Isn’t it worth the risk to try and steal and get him to Second? Not sure it would have made a difference, but with Abreu up and taking pitches, it was worth a shot to try and get a runner in scoring position.
When they couldn’t score with the bases loaded and one out, they didn’t deserve to win.
Um…. I really dont know who to blame and how we can take this game…. the offense isnt bad.. we got 17 hits… starting pitching wasnt bad… Wang left with a lead but the two lefthander couldnt hold the lead… Proctor had to work too much, and Mo wasnt really available… I guess we will have to just take it, shake it off, and play well tomorrow
Sonofa****
Long game but good effort by ARod keeping us in the game. Proctor man I just don’t know what to say.
If the team sucks this bad, why do you post for 5 hrs here SJ44?
If A-rod leaving causes SJ to quit spewing his elitist opinion over and over, maybe that wouldnt be so bad.
Why do I seem like a douche bag? Because our manager is a moron who let a relief pitcher who worked yesterday go out there to hit in a one run game with Chris Basak on the bench? Good thing Rivera sat on the bench and didn’t pitch this game huh? Shut up.
Give me a break Astoria.
You think today is a happy day for the Yankees.
Are you kidding me? What do you want, a party today that they “battled” in a game in which they blew a 3 run lead to a team that can’t hit and walked in the go ahead run?
Yeah, let’s just applaud today’s effort.
11th game they lost this year in which they blew a 3 run or more lead.
Yup, sounds like something we should all cheer about.
You want cheerleaders, buy a pom pom.
I can’t imagine any Yankee fan that is happy with the way this team has played this year.
Unless, of course, you think 36-36 is a “Great” record.
Ivan, 17 hits doesn’t mean anything. Hits don’t win games. RUNS do. It’s when you get those hits, and being able to situation hit.
Just another typical loss for this team…It’s happened all year and its going to continue to happen. As others have pointed out, without A-Rod this team wouldn’t be able to even sniff .500.
Actually Astoria, that last post seemed very objective to me. Not throwing strikes cost this bullpen in the 7th. If I’m Torre, I get Proctor out of there with the winning run at second. He’s done his job. It’s not like you’re going to squeeze 4 more innings out of him, and with the people on your bench, pinch hitting isn’t going to help much anyway. Effin’ 3.30 am just to lose…
Thank you Clueless for leaving Proctor out there to dry. His thinking is always let me blow anyone elses arm out as long as Rivera gets babied. Nice way to give up on your team and your closer cant even pitch an inning. If Clemens is up then let him throw an inning also. If Proctor is throwing 60 mph next week we will know why. Yanks can get blown out tomorrow 20-1 and then Rivera was saved for nothing, win the game today dont worry about tomorrow. As soon as that inning started I said there is no way Proctor is going to get threw a 3rd inning of work…as Rivera sits comfortably in the dugout. He would of if Cairo knew how to throw to 1st base. How stupid
So everyone that wanted Rivera pitching in the 13th, who would you have close out/pitch the 14th?
SJ44 is the most depressing and downbeat person here. He can’t even find joy in a winning streak. You really think he could find anything in a bad loss???
He’s the kind of guy that bashed Mo after the 2001 series. He has that much class.
Rivera can’t pitch to 6 batters?
Anyone who thinks Rivera would throw two complete innings is on crack.
Yeah, its all my fault. I have an opinion and if you don’t like it, too damn bad.
Yes, the Yankees keep blowing games like this and I am one not to like it. Must make me a “bad fan”.
Yup, that must be it.
Please. If you guys enjoy watching this kind of baseball, there are plenty of teams that play like this every night.
I don’t see why they need to pay 180 million bucks for a payroll to play like this. You can get by on a 60-70 million dollar payroll and watch guys swing at balls over their heads, and a bullpen absent of any strikethrowers.
If you don’t think that’s frustrating, and people are going to be critical about it, too damn bad.
I bet the owner of the team today is not saying, “good game, we’ll get’em tomorrow”.
This game was lost when Bruney couldn’t or didn’t have the stones to throw strikes to Ray Durham.
Ray Durham.
Typical Joe on the road. Wait for the Yanks to take the lead before bringing in Mo.
The problem is, sometimes they don’t take the lead….the other team does and the other team wins.
But we’ve seen it before … like in Game 4 of the 2003 WS.
When will Joe learn that sometimes you have to use Mo to preserve the tie in order to give your team another chance?
Ryan,
we should have put in Guidry after mo!
wow, Torre really blew it. Thompson not stealing, Abreu bunting instead, Proctor hits for himself despite having Basak available (why is he here if not to bat there??) and going into third inning. I know Torre wanted to save Rivera for the save, but what, Rivera can’t pitch two innings??
This has to be one of the worst if not worst loss of the year. The bullpen deserves blame, espcially for that 7th inning meltdown. I still like Proctor who gutted it today, Vizcaino is looking better now. The team could use at least one more solid reliever though. But the bullpen definitely is nowhere near as strong as I thought it was at the start of the year.
However, the offense deserves its share of blame today. Morris looked like he had nothing today and the Yanks blew chance after chance. They let the Giants hang around and got burned. Overall, just an awful and depressing loss.
SJ44, get over yourself. I don’t think anyone takes joy in reading your extra long posts. We get it. The bullpen sucks. Season over. Blah blah blah. Give it a rest already.
We already mentioned it. Clemens. After only pitching 4 1/3 the other day, he could have gone two.
This was supposed to be a brutal road trip for the Sox(Braves, Padres, Mariners) and a very easy cake walk for the Yankees(Rockies, Giants & Orioles). So far Sox are 4-1 while the yanks are 1-4 on this road trip. Thanks for jinxing the yanks and Sox for this Road trip Pete Abraham & Johnny Damon.
What is going on here? Jeter is hurt. Damon won’t go on DL even though he can’t play. Torre pitches Rivera in a 7-3 game but not in a 5-5 game even though Proctor already pitched 2 innings.
At least Rainbowtrout and Gloomy didn’t hide the fact that they were openly hoping the Yankees would lose
Lets face it. He should have brought Mo in the game in the bottom of the 7th.
Thats the game right there, right? Thats the real save situation. Managers today manage by a script. Its disgusting.
SJ44, I don’t know if it was you earlier who criticized the lack of heart (I’m really too tired to go back and look it up), but if you did, you can’t be sarcastic about “applauding the effort” now then.
I don’t like this loss any more than any of you guys. But fact of the matter is, the same team will be out there tomorrow again, trying to win one. I’ll be rooting again, because it is impossible they stink as bad as some of you say they do.
I live in LA so will not hear the post game but is Joe happy Mariano got the day of rest… proctor eneded up throwing 40 pitches..
if guys like Kyle(I do hate him) could pitch more then 1 inning it would help.
SUnday they have moose on the mound and the big bopper behind the plate.. big day today from our clutch hitters like matsui and cano and abreu…..
Arod cannot doing anything more. Why do we talk constantly about his contract our payroll is about $194mill and we are a 500 team and arod will want a ton next yr… Let’s just finish this yr. out before we worry about his contract..
I am shaking my head over anothe brutal loss along with tampa(myers gem), Oakland Scutaro walkoff, 1 of the Boston disasters etc..
they cannot win close games it is mind boggling….Mybe they need to make some moves to try to help in this area???How about some bench and bullpen help, just a suggestion!!!!!!!!What matters in close games? I think it is bullpen………
This was supposed to be a brutal road trip for the Sox(Braves, Padres, Mariners) and a very easy cake walk for the Yankees(Rockies, Giants & Orioles). So far Sox are 4-1 while the yanks are 1-4 on this road trip. Thanks for jinxing the yanks and Sox for this Road trip Pete Abraham & Johnny Damon.
What is going on here? Jeter is hurt. Damon won’t go on DL even though he can’t play. Torre pitches Rivera in a 7-3 game but not in a 5-5 game even though Proctor already pitched 2 innings.
The Yankees didn’t battle today. They quit. They got lucky that SF is a horrible offiensive team. That is 4 losses in their last 5, when they should have won 4 of their last 5. This team is horrible. I have never been embarassed to be a Yankee fan. I am now…. this is unacceptible baseball, effort, fundamentals, etc. Cashman might have a plan for next year and the future but this year he does not. Torre cannot save this team.
I have read all the threads today and I believe SJ44 is right, this team needs to be dismantled. Eat contracts for the remainder of the season and get some people who want to play baseball rather than collect a paycheck. Abreau is horrible. Damon needs to be on the DL. Bullpen needs to be sold…
Cano needs help…Matsui is lost. What more can go wrong, oh wait it did… Jeter is day to day.
Joe Torre needs to stop playing for tomorrow. Forget the Red Sox, Tigers, Indians, and anyone else. The Yankees need to win their own games, and saving Mo to close out a game that they don’t have the lead in when you just need to hold the opposition is foolish and came back to bite them tonight. Who cares if Mo pitched 1.2 innings last night, he hadn’t pitched since Saturday against the Mets. Torre needs to start playing to win each game and not to plan out the next 5 or 6 days. (ALDS Game 4 – Wright over Wang, Wang saved for the Game 5 that never happened).
Well, we’ll see what kind of heart this team has tomorrow. They need a nice 12-1 game.
Proctor did a really good job today. Two great innings and then, well, just couldn’t survive the third. Like someone above said, an infield hit and a bloop. Of course you don’t bring Rivera in until it’s a save situation. It would have been interesting to see Clemens come in, but I think the only way you do it is to start a clean inning. He’s not a relief pitcher, you’re in no rush to put in him that situation. The only way Roger was coming in this game is if Proctor got out of the inning and the Yankees did not score in the next one.
The stat that really stands out and defines today’s game, though, is 5 runs and 17 hits. 17 hits producing only 5 runs. Just pitiful.
Tomorrow’s going to be an interesting game, though. And if the Yankees win, guess what? They’ll have taken the series. The objective is to win series. It’s not going to be easy, but the people who were used in relief early really shouldn’t be all that baked. They’re not fresh, but they’re not Proctor, either.
Gee, I wonder why I and a lot of other people dont post here as much anymore, lol.
who did I have the bet with about Cano hitting .300 this season?
If you really believe the Yankees quit today you should get your head out of ur a%s. That’s the most absurd comment of the day and there has been plenty here with the doom and gloom crowd.
Torre wasnt playing for Sunday, he was playing for later in the game when they’d need Rivera if they ever got a lead.
these national league games really expose Torre for the clueless hack that he really is.
Astoria, you swing and miss more than Robinson Cano with RISP.
Not happy with a winning streak? They are 1-4 on this roadtrip.
That’s a “winning streak”? I hope you aren’t a math major.
You want to live in the past, go watch Yankeeography.
They are 36-36. You think Yankee fans like myself are in the minority with their utter frustration with this team?
Depressing? You know what’s depressing? People like yourself who think we should applaud today’s effort.
They blew a 3 run lead to a team that can’t can’t hit because Myers and Bruney would not throw the ball over the plate. In the process, they blew out the bullpen for tomorrow, when another 5 inning starter is pitching.
If you want to celebrate that, be my guest.
Me? I hope to God Cashman comes to his senses and begins the dismantling process of this team.
Its a bad mix and a team that just can’t win close games. Now, 6-22 in games decided by two or less runs. In other words, its not a contender. Begin the dismantling process and get back to Yankee basics. Right now, this team is about as far away from “Yankee Baseball” as any Yankee team in the past 12 years.
If you have any sense, you would never come to this blog during or after a Yankee loss.
The people who come out of the woodwork are terrible. It’s probably a few Sox fans and some jump off the ledge Yank people but its horrible to read and sit thru.
colorada yank you are an idiot. dismantle the team now yeah, SF should the whitesox should the Yanks no..
yea they stink blah blah blah they are 6 out of the playoffs with 90 to go..they should eat contracts blah blah blah your ideas are moronic.. what they need is a backup catcher, to get giambi or damon healthy(need only 1) and get some bullpen help…THAT IS IT.they do not need a whole new team,; backup cathcer, 1 or 2 decent relief pitchers, and 1 of the 2 physical wrecks to comeback….
“If you really believe the Yankees quit today…”
It sure looked like they quit after Matsui struck out with the bases loaded.
I really don’t care to get into a war of words with you SJ because you’re a waste of time and you get off on it.
I’ve already said my peace (and in 4,000 less words than you). You are a depressing fan who brings the board down with his usual BS.
can someone please take torre out of his misery and fire him.
This was supposed to be a brutal road trip for the Sox(Braves, Padres, Mariners) and a very easy cake walk for the Yankees(Rockies, Giants & Orioles). So far Sox are 4-1 while the yanks are 1-4 on this road trip. Thanks for jinxing the yanks and Sox for this Road trip Pete Abraham & Johnny Damon.
What is going on here? Jeter is hurt. Damon won’t go on DL even though he can’t play. Torre pitches Rivera in a 7-3 game but not in a 5-5 game even though Proctor already pitched 2 innings.
I cannot believe I am saying this as a lifelong Sox fan.
That was a horrible loss, and I actually feel for you guys.
No nasty comments, no snide comments, nuttin.
Hang in there, the season isnt over alot of things can happen.
I’m sure Matsui struck out on purpose “can of corn”.
Wow. if it wasnt so ridiculous I’d laugh more at this.
The only qualm I have with Torre today was not stealing when Thompson got on. When you have speed, use it. It worked so great for the Sox in game 4 of the ALCS in 2004 as Fox painfully showed us in the first inning. Taking a base without giving up an out is huge. But other than that, he did what he could with the pen today and managed it fine imo.
Overuse yesterday again may have hurt him. Joe was trying to avoid using Proctor today and maybe if he wasn’t used yesterday, he pitches the 7th today and holds the lead for Wang.
I’m with Astoria on the “heart” part of the discussion. You could see it on their faces with every missed opportunity. (I know that some of you won’t go for that argument, but so be it). When you play sports, there are going to be days that are “just not quite”. This was one of them. Melky falling just short and the look on his face then said it all.
And by the way Rockies lost 2nd game in a row to Toronto. If u r wondering who these rockies are, they are the same team that sweept the yanks 2 days ago.
Rivera should of pitched the 13th. There is absolutely no way that you throw Proctor out there for a 3rd inning or even ask him to give you another inning. After he pitched 2 innings his job was done. There is no way that Clueless expected him to pitch another scoreless inning. Torre was giving up on the team. Rivera pitches the 13th and if he only throws a couple of pitches and the Yanks score in the 14th then you have him pitch the bottom of the 14th. Then tomorrow you might not have a save situation and Mon. is an off day.
Clemens was warming up only if the Yanks scored in that inning?! That is ridilious!!!! Proctor was done, out of gas did his job. You bring in a new pitcher no matter what not only if your team scores. If he didnt want to use Rivera I am sure Clemens could of pitched an inning or 2.
Dismantle the team?
There are 90 some off games to go and the teams six out. This is why good GM’s NEVER LISTEN TO FANS.
“I’m sure Matsui struck out on purpose “can of cornâ€?.”
Curly Sue,
Read what I wrote. I said that the Yanks gave up AFTER Matsui struck out.
Oh yea, I’m sure Melky and Proctor and A Rod and all the rest of them quit today.
LOL.
So comical. If you are actually a Yankee supporter and you think that please go jump off a cliff. Because we do not need you rooting for the franchise.
Captain541,
The thinking, right or wrong was that if the Yanks had a runner on Second in the top of the 13th, Torre would have pinch hit for Proctor and if the Yanks didn’t score, Clemens would pitch. If they scored, Mo would be in.
Didn’t happen, so Proctor batted and stayed in.
If they quit “can of corn”, wouldnt they have done it in the 9th?
You are as clueless and as bitter as SJ44.
Morons Damon does not make personel moves for the yanks management does…
also I love Torre but 1 of the posters is right he does not manage for today, mariano is rested for that possible save situation on friday, that is moronic……….
SJ44 you are wrong like I posted a 250 hitting competent backup catcher, 2 decent relief pitchers(trustworthy,whomever), and either Damon or Giambi at DH would make this a playoff team.. I am not saying they will win it all but they would be a low 90 win team……….
Hughes will be back in a month or so and even if Igawa does better I pitch hughes..
there problems are not real complicated there starters do not K enough batters and there pen walks to many batter. the pen can strike out less just walk less…they are 15 games beloe 500 in close games they become a 500% team in those games they are a playoff team………….
I thought of anyone SJ44 would be more rational…….
Why wasn’t Proctor out there in the 7th?
And when you have opportunities to put a team away early. You do it. We’ve seen in the past 5 games that when you have chances to score early you better do it.
They didn’t quit, IMO. They didn’t execute. They haven’t for most of the season.
The walks out of the bullpen, the lack of situational hitting, the in game decisions (3 innings of Proctor, no PH hitter in the 13th), its a combination of all of it. We have seen it all season. This isn’t just a one or two day deal. Its happened for all but two weeks of this season.
I guess I think a little differently than others here.
I see a team that is too flawed to contend this year. You stack them up against Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Anaheim and defy anybody to tell me the Yankees are better than those teams. They aren’t. Its not even close.
So, I guess my question is, what’s the point of trying to piece things together with flypaper everyday, hoping something sticks?
Some decisions are obvious. Damon needs to go on the DL and Myers needs to be DFA’ed. If you are too hurt to play, and can’t get lefties out, you can’t take up roster space. Its tough to be an old team that plays shorthanded everyday. That doesn’t make any sense to me.
Other decisions are tougher. You can’t keep the bullpen in the order its in right now. Somebody either has to be demoted or dealt and they need help out there. It can’t just be Mo and the non-strikethrowers and think the offense is going to carry the day. It isn’t because the offense is too sporadic.
They aren’t winning 12-1 tomorrow for numerous reasons. Jeter’s hurt, Abreu and Cano are back to hacking instead of hitting, Nieves is in the lineup and Moose is pitching. Not exactly a “winning combination”.
If they lose this series to this team, what they did for two weeks means ZERO. Its back to square one all over again.
The question is, how many times do you go back to square one before realizing perhaps this is the year you need to think about the future instead of the next series?
Terrible loss. No doubt about it. I point to Myers & Bruney, but much more so Myers b/c he has straight-up not done his job since being here. The 15+ men LOB is atrocious, but anyone who thinks baseball seasons were meant to be a bowl of cherries until October starts doesn’t know what it’s like to follow a team that doesn’t make the playoffs EVERY year. The fans who jump on and off the bandwagon are not fans, they’re fairweather cowards, period.
Thanks for the lessons on economics SJ44. SO wait, you’re telling me when a human-being knows he can make a boatload more money, he might exercise that right? Wow, thanks for the enlightenment. Are A-B-C’s next on the menu, or is that too advanced?
Everbody knows that it is a tough decision for both parties, but none of us PRETEND to know more than we do. Unfortunately you do that at an almost professional pace – if you want to label your predictions as fact, why don’t you go sit next to Steve Phillips and the rest of the ESPN hacks who sell opinions like they’ve been ripped out of an MIT textbook.
The only one who knows what A-Rod will do next year is A-Rod. SO just shut up and let it play out.
And I apologize if I don’t believe an anonymous poster in the comment section of a Yankees blog has big connections to possibly the most affluent and visible athlete on the face of the earth. Until I see more than “SJ44″ and a statement that “I know A-Rod,” that’s just what I believe. Especially when everything else that comes out of your mouth is pretentious, entitled, dribble.
SJ44 is as rational as David Berkowitz.
Hey everyone,
Relax on SJ. He knows A-Rod!
Cue laugh track….
Now I get it. The Plan was to pitch Proctor for 2 innings, Clemens for 2 more innings and 1 more inning from Pettite and then bring on Mariano Rivera for the 17th/18th inning and win the game. They say even the best laid plans go wrong. This is what happened here. Proctor got tired after throwing only 2.2 innings. This is all Proctor’s fault for giving away that run even through he is tired. Torre laid a brilliant plan it was all Proctor’s fault for not succeding in implementing the plan. Damn Proctor. HAIL TORRE.
Now I get it. The Plan was to pitch Proctor for 3 innings, Clemens for 2 more innings and 1 more inning from Pettite and then bring on Mariano Rivera for the 17th/18th inning and win the game. They say even the best laid plans go wrong. This is what happened here. Proctor got tired after throwing only 2.2 innings. This is all Proctor’s fault for giving away that run even through he is tired. Torre laid a brilliant plan it was all Proctor’s fault for not succeding in implementing the plan. Damn Proctor. HAIL TORRE.
It has nothing to do with heart. It has to do with, relief pitchers not throwing strikes; it has to do with, hitters coming up with RISP and less than 2 out and not doing anything productive. They have plenty of heart, they work plenty hard. They’re not getting results. For whatever reason. Why is it such a sin to say that maybe, just maybe, this is not their year? I can still love the Yankees, and not like the way they’re playing. Disappointment does not cancel out commitment. Melky Cabrera being disappointed and frustrated at not catching that bloop has no bearing on how they play TOMORROW.
they did not put the giants away early because they had no clutch hitting today it does happen on occasion.
the big boo boo was against Kline, a very very hittable pitcher matsui not only did not get a hit but K’d on 3 pitches. before that he was like 80% from 3rd and less then 2 outs.. he went down feebly and then Cano who is so talented but such a punk did his usual.. the guy needs to get hits when it matters. check out Cano’s #’s with men on base and when no men on base.. WHY???
Torre wasn’t the one who couldn’t get a run in with the bases loaded and 1 out. Torre wasn’t the one who left 15+ runners on.
I hope the Bruney fan club takes a deep breath now.
Rufus
Ironically, I think Joe was trying to give him the night off since he pitched yesterday. The plan seemed to be Myers,-Bruney in the 7th, Farnsworth in the 8th and Mo in the 9th. That way Proctor is set for tomorrow. Not a terrible idea, it didn’t work because Myers and Bruney couldn’t throw strikes.
The time has come to cut bait on Myers. A lefty specialist who cannot get even weak hitting lefties out. Its become an embarrassment. There are so many team starved for relief pitching that you can actually trade him right now.
“They aren’t winning 12-1 tomorrow for numerous reasons. Jeter’s hurt, Abreu and Cano are back to hacking instead of hitting, Nieves is in the lineup and Moose is pitching. Not exactly a “winning combinationâ€?.”
SJ44,
And u forgot to mention that they are facing LEFTY whom they have not seen before. That’s recipe for Success.
Someone needs to tell Bruney that walks. Aren’t good.
I love losing in 13 innings and having my best player not pitch when hes available.
Nice managing job, Torre.
Bat a relief pitcher (who gets far less at-bats than a starting pitcher) with a man on base and 2 outs. Lemme guess
- Proctor is a better hitter than Chris Basak, right? Are you going for some M.L.B. record, like most days and games a rookie callup sits on the bench without an at-bat? Why is Basak up here if Torre doesn’t want to use him?
Finally play another bench player (Kevin Thompson) who gets a hit to lead off an inning, but don’t have him try to steal 2B even though he is the fastest baserunner on the team. B.t.w. time to put Damon on the d.l. and play Thompson every day.
Have Abreu bunt when Abreu has bunted just a few times since 1998, all this year. Waste an out which comes back to bite the Yankees. You arrogantly thought playing for a run was all you needed to win this game but guess what? You’re in the away park, a run might not be enough, you can’t assume Mariano will close it out for a 6-5 win. You have to have your batters up there swinging for hits in the gaps of a cavernous ballpark.
Now you all see why Torre was fired from the Mets, Braves, and Cardinals: he can’t manage under N.L. rules to save his life. He is a lucky, blessed idiot who has been living off the Yankees 1996-2000 success for far too long and should be fired if they lose tomorrow, that’s it. Time for a managerial change cuz he can’t manage anymore. 36-37 after years of underachieving, stupid postseason moves, and bullpen brainfarts should be the breaking point and if it isn’t Steinbrenner has lost it as in lost his mind -he’s demented. You cannot tell me if Torre was fired after tomorrow this team goes in the tank -I say it doesn’t. As it stands now, the Yanks are only 5.5 games behind Cleveland for the wildcard (it could be 6 but let’s root for D.C.) I think with a new approach in the manager’s seat, this team could make it to the postseason and invalidate the notion that they can’t win without Torre. If they don’t make it, blame him most of all for his idiotic bullpen management. How do you burn out the bullpen to the point where your closer can’t pitch 2 days after a day game and a sweep and Clemens has warm up in the bullpen? When you’re Torre.
Cashman should be fired for a litany of idiotic signings and trades too lengthy to list, but we’ll start with these:
Johnson and Sheffield trades, Pavano, Wright, Igawa, Farnsworth, Karsay, and Damon signings, Matsui extension, and that’s just for starters.
_why don’t you go sit next to Steve Phillips and the rest of the ESPN hacks who sell opinions like they’ve been ripped out of an MIT textbook._
GB, I loved that bar scene in “Good Will Hunting”
Sure because of one loss its fair to say the season is over. Thanks SJ44. Now I can stop watching for the summer and wait for football season. What would we all do without your wise postings here?
anyone who says they quit is just a moron. they may not produce like others have posted but they try…
Guidryball I like your posts. SJ are you manic… 1 minute you say firesale the next minute you say something else.
I am not saying they are better then the angels, detroit, or boston.. they do not need to be and if they did make the playoffs that does not mean they would lose to them.. the tough part is getting to the playoffs after that as Beane says and I agree luck is very important…
I know Myers at a maximum gets the big out(lefty) once in a blue moon…………..
Fine get rid of Myers, Villone, bring up Britton and Ramirez, What the F, why not?????????????????????/
The thing on Bruney is he knows he overthrows in a big situation so what does he do? What he usually does he overthrows, it is not that complicated……….
trade some pen to Philly; get one of there catchers.
the Yanks for yrs. have had no talent in the minore this yr they have some goes that deserve a look;(britton, ramirez, etc.) why not try them, it is better then Darrel May, Ponson, and Tim Redding..
SJ do you think the Yanks were not better then the teams they lost to in the playoffs in any of the last 6 yrs…2002,2003, 2004, 2005, or 20006???
I think the Yanks were better then the marlins and the sux alos, things happen in the playoffs just get to the playoffs…..
Now I got to read hacks saying they should be playing Kevin Thompson everyday.
That’s what a bad loss does here. The loons come out of the woodwork.
It’s pretty obvious this team desperately needs another professional bat. Someone who can DH and play 1b. Hello, Dmitri Young!
And they also need another bullpen arm that throws strikes. Hello Otsuka!
SJ! Ask arod if torre was saving rivera for the ressurection!
What is Basak doing on this team, if SCOTT PROCTOR is hitting instead of him? Can’t the Yankees have some decent bench players? I don’t think I’ve seen Basak have an at bat since whenever he was called up, a long time ago.
And where’s the long reliever? It can’t be Clemens. If it’s Ronny Villone, he can’t be pitching to only one batter. We need a Ramiro Mendoza-type pitcher on this team, and we need it badly.
You don’t fire Torre because of a tough extra inning loss on the road and the fact that hitters didn’t come thru with men in scoring position.
You can Monday morning QB it all you want. Pitchers cannot walk people.
Torre should be Fired your comments are not unreasonable on Torre but a newsflash they are not firing him so why post something that will not happen. I want bush and cheney impeached, newsflash it ain’t happening…
On cashman I disagree with you, I blame most of the idiotic moves on tampa nad king george I thank cash for the 180 change in the minor league talent and there tons of prospects……….
SJ ask your BFF A Rod if he and that stripper are going steady.
Say what you want but Sheffield would look pretty good in this lineup right now. And those 3 injured pitchers won’t amount to a hill of beans.
Jon,
excellent point on Basak. It’s a little move, but Basak has had no role on this team. Why didn’t Cashman option him out to bring Phillips (who can also play second and third) so that they could have kept Phelps. Phelps may not be a super bat, but he would have provided a much needed option in this game.
I think part of the problem with the team this year, even if they go on to turn it completely around, is that the plan for the year relied outright on the offense being able to cover the flaws. Now, in the past, that is what has happened, but I don’t think that it was necessarily planned that way. And I think there is a difference.
In one instance, you’re saying, I’m giving you a good team, now go out and play and win. A few injuries later, a few fixes, and the team goes merrily along its way, wow, Aaron Small wins 10 games; Gary who? Hideki who?
But this year, it was more like, you guys have really done such a great job in such dire circumstances and I’m going to take advantage of that. You’re so good that I’m going to be able to re-tool this team for the future, and still have a penant this year.
Now, I am a Cashman supporter and I know that what he’s doing in the long run will be to the Yankees benefit. But there is such a thing as tempting fate and I think he went to the well one too many times, thinking that he had the depth to cover any problem that might arise. And he may have had that. But the problems have piled on since before the season began, beginning with Pettitte’s back (short-lived, thank heaven) and Wang, etc., etc.
I know this probably sounds a little convoluted, but I hope some of you can follow what I’m trying to say.
Stranger things have happened, and it’s not out of the question for Mussina to pitch a great (or at least very good) game tomorrow. I just hope they didn’t waste all their hits today. What the Giants starter like?
Thompson may be a decent bench guy that is it…The hacks go crazy after 1 hit or 1 big inning. But really Proctor hitting with a man on 1st and 2 outs over Basak!!!!!
I know if Torre put in Basak then they only have Nieves but again so what, they lose a game 2 innings later maybe with Pettitte playing 1st, why am I worrying about something in the future…
Lack of clutch hitting aside. We had the lead in the 7th inning. This game was lost when our lefty specialist couldn’t do his job and we had to use 4 pitchers to get out of the 7th.
Astoria it is 1 injured pitcher Sanchez who may suck but may be great..
sheffeild as good as he is playing I have no regrets over him leaving and especially not giving him an extension he is perfect for detroit and good for them…
they need to continue to get younger and BTW this situation today can only occur for the Yanks 1 more game and then no more NL junk………………….
the Yanks are made for the AL, there bench is weak and in the past there DH has been a big part of the offense…..
Of all the guys on the team, I would have thought Matsui could hit a sac fly when needed, but his AB with the bases loaded was one of the worst of the season.
And I’m sorry to break it to all of you, but Cashman is doing NOTHING. He won’t make a single move. He is as responsible as Clueless Joe for the subpar talent on the roster, but there seems to be no accountability for anyone since Mr Steinbrenner’s health has deteriorated.
Oh, and the Rockies are really playing great baseball!
Stuart,
I think the team has too many holes. Just my opinion. Unless they change the way they score series, if you lose, the other team is better. That’s how I look at it. Just my opinion.
If it was one thing, I could see the logic of “going for it”.
But, its a trend. They don’t win the one run games. They don’t win close, low scoring games. The offense goes into unreal funks, given the talent level of the guys on the team.
The bullpen, absent Mo is, let’s be charitable, not very good. The bench is a joke.
I just don’t see how you can fix all this and make a run this season.
I am not even talking about the injuries which, in the cases of Giambi, Hughes and Damon, are crippling.
I would LOVE to be wrong but I don’t see it with this team. They lose way too many games that playoff-type teams put away. Today is just another example of what we have seen all year.
Just my opinion on the matter.
The lefty specialist that Pete loves because he is a nice guy is not a lefty specialist…
he allows lefties to hit over 300, is that a specialist???????????
They have been looking for this specialist since Grahame Llloyd, they should give up on it and just try to get some guys who can throw a strike……..
bobby faced him batt .222 only 9 ab and miggy faced him 3 ab .000 against him.
I hope Mike comes out with extra fire in his belly. He knows he has to go 8 and hand the ball to Mo, since basically everyone is burnt out. We definately can’t use Scott tomorrow. Even though he got the loss, I give him credit, he fought his way thru 3 innings and gave up a bloop single. Can’t kill him for that.
“But there is such a thing as tempting fate and I think he went to the well one too many times, thinking that he had the depth to cover any problem that might arise.”
Are you out of your mind? Depth? What depth?
One of Brian Cashman’s hallmarks is a very weak bench.
And the more you look at what Cashman received in the RJ and Sheffield deals, the worse it looks. He was schooled by Theo in the offseason, imo. Cashman should be fired and clueless Joe should be fired. Bring in Girardi to manage…NOT MATTINGLY.
SJ you recent post is very reasonable. again they need to make the playoffs and then go from there.. you sell the farm when you are a 70 win team, they are not a 70 win team.. they are terrible in close games and they are still a 500% team..
again I have no idea if Ramirez or Britton or others are any good becuase to be frank I have hardly seen them pitch but really what are they hanging on to???
Sand Diego traded Bowen to Chicago for Barret you telling me the Yanks can’t get a remotely decent backup;;;Paulino, or some other guy who is above the mendoza line…
there injuries have not been as bad as toronts or a few other teams..Yes they have many warts but 3 different players change everything and the 3 do not need to be stars in anyway….
never wrote we are facing Noah Lowry.
lots of the hitters have seen Mussina though http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....;teamId=26
Doreen,
I think that’s a fair point, especially with regards to the bench. Cashman, who I too like, dumped Sheffield, Bernie, Guiel, and Wilson, all at least capable bats and replaced them with nothing.
As for pitching, I can’t kill him for that. They had Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Igawa and Pavano lined up with Karstens, Rasner and Hughes all available as potential back-ups. All the injuries were just insane and no one can have that much depth in the rotation.
Cashman was as guilty as me in over-rating the bullpen. The guys have been very inconsistent and most walk too many batters, and I think he was fooled by how great they were late last year. Still, he had Villone and Britton in for back-ups.
It’s not even July and the team is at .500. It’s certainly not early, but some tweaks to the bullpen and bench and I still think this team has a very good chance at the Wild card. Assuming Boston wins the East, Detroit the Central and the Angels the West, that leaves Oakland, Seattle and Cleveland as the main challengers for the wild card. All of those teams are as flawed or more flawed than we are. Still, all these tough luck losses do add up eventually.
the pen is blown out is BS.. Krazy kyle threw less then 20 pitches, same with myers loser, and bruney he threw 15 pitches.. moose needs to pitch a good 6 or 7 and they will be fine.. the good news is Mariano is rested !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again on Cahs most of thos high profile stupid signings I beleive he was not involved in.
Sports fans those wild spending Yankees this offseason signed 1 guy and that was Igawa…Cashman gets it and got it a long time ago……..
My focus now is the pitching, Jete’s injury in hopes he is not out the next games. I can only imagine how down the team feels today. I don’t think they quit. It’s just like any tie game.
Someone is going to win someone is going to lose. My next step is Sunday. Today’s game is gone now. Nothing any of us can do to change it.
However I don’t think the subject of stripper crap needs to be stirred again because it is not relevant to any of the games we played. It’s not even an interest imo.
AROD has done nothing but performed as a team player in trying to keep this team winning.
My biggest concern is our Yankees getting out of this slump and winning.
I don’t hang this loss on Proctor’s shoulders at all and think you’re being foolish for doing so. He was pitching in his 3rd inning of relief this game. I think Joe should of brought someone else in rather then pushing Proctor a third inning, but however the blame has to lie on the offense aside from A-Rod. We have to produce more then 5 runs with the 17 hits we put on the Giants. 17 HITS! We had a chance with men on 2nd and 3rd with one out and couldn’t get the run home! Other then A-Rod this team failed to score runs and scattered !7 HITS and only produced 5 runs! Asking Proctor to go a third inning was pushing it and even then he really didn’t get hit hard. If Melky is playing a little further in that becomes an out and we’re praising Proctor for giving us three solid innings. Let’s not get too harsh here, Proctor gave us more then I’m sure any of us expected.
canofcorn depth. how can they have any depth when they are paying giambi, damon, abreu, etc a friggin fortune…
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in the AL depth is not as important.
That’s right the reason Boston is 20 games over 500 is; they have hinske, wily Mo, cora, and Mirabelli..Give me a break sounds pretty stupid right??? becuse it is.. thereason boston is in 1st is not real complicated and it is there starters and Okajima nad papelbon that is it…
the Yanks score more runs and the Yanks terrible bench is slightly worse then the red sox..the redsox almost never lose leads late or blow 3 run leads…it is not becuase mirabelli is better then Nieves………..
detroit has a crappy bench also except for thames, they win becuase of there lineup and there stud starters….
canofcorn
I agree with you about the bench. The Yanks had a bad off-season, at least for the short term but I can’t kill Cashman for it.
Yanks and Sox both wanted Matsuzaka, Sox bid an insane amount and got him.
Sox signed Drew and Lugo, neither of whom has set the world on fire.
Sox have gotten a lot from Okijima, but most scouts didn’t think he’d be anything special and still think the league will catch up to him. We’ll see.
Igawa looks like a mistake, but the idea was to pay lesser money to a mediocre pitcher, since the posting bid doesn’t count against the luxury tax.
Bringing Pettitte back was a great move.
Unit is back on the DL, while Vizcaino is pitching a lot better. We’ll see what Ohlendorf and the other prospects turn into, but it at least got us depth on the farm. And Cashman signed Roger, so really it’s like the Yanks added him in the trade too.
Sheffield had no role on this team and would have been a huge headache this year. Yes, he’s hitting, but he’s 38-39, and it made sense to go with the younger Abreu.
Not bringing Bernie back as a bench player was a huge mistake imo, but that’s water under the bridge now. Yes, I think Cashman made a lot of mistakes this off-season, but he’s done more good than bad in his tenure and deserves to stay.
I think not bringing bernie back was not a mistake. it would have continued the cycle of very limited bench players who cannot run or field..
I love Bernie he had a very good not great career we need to learn to cut ties before it is too late that has not been done in the past…
Canofcorn,
I wasn’t saying this bench was strong. I was saying Cashman thought he had enough to cover and, frankly, he counted on his lucky streak to continue regarding filling in needs as the season progressed. He never counted on things unraveling so quickly and all at once, and I don’t think it’s realistic to think he should have played this doomsday scenario in his head. I think he thought about all the reasonable things that might go wrong, and in fact have gone wrong in the two prior seasons and figured they were a strong enough team to withstand reasonable adversity yet again.
Unfortunately, it hasn’t turned out that way. The well is dry this time around, at least for now. Not to say it can’t rain and the well refills. Just saying for now.
YankeeJosh,
I agree that the bullpen is the particular disappointment. to a man, they all looked good both during spring training and at the very very start of the season. In fact, in spring training, I know they hardly walked a batter – it was the one statistic I paid particular attention to. It hasn’t turned out the way it looked like it should have. What I don’t understand is, why can’t they just throw strikes? Is there something I’m missing? And why do they have to go 3-2 on everyone? Whatever. That’s going to be a tough one to fix, although Vizcaino really does look to be turning things around.
Regarding Sheffield and RJ trades. I think I’ll wait to see how those turn out before judging them busts. And just as a reminder, RJ requested the trade; it made no sense to not honor that request.
This team just doesn’t have it. There is no excuse now, as they are healthy. Maybe next year will be better. Abreu is a disaster. Proctor has good stuff but he ALWAYS chokes in tight games. He either needs to be traded or needs to be made a starter.
Stuart,
Bench players by definition are going to be limited in what they can do. If they could do everything well, they wouldn’t be bench players, they’d be starters.
Bernie’s a clutch and professional hitter who wouldn’t embarass himself in the outfield. He is admittedly a shell of his former self but still better than the alternatives. Regardless, it’s over and done with.
Give me a break Brian, did you foget the 2 previous innings, of scoreless ball from Scott. He was in his THIRD inning of relief!!
Its a tough team to fix in season. Lots of age, untradeable contracts (along with no trade clauses) and players with little market value because of their ineffectiveness.
A few less injuries, a step forward, rather than backward, in Cano’s development, and some strikethrowers out of the bullpen, would have helped turn this season into something.
But, that’s hasn’t been the case. So, the issue Cashman must be wrestling with is, which direction do you go in the next 3-4 weeks?
I am of the belief that its impossible to make the playoffs every year AND rebuild. Or, retool, whichever you want to call it. I don’t believe it can be done. I also believe you have to be honest with yourself (if you are a GM or an owner) and save your bullets to fortify a real contending team. JMO but, I don’t believe this team is that type of team. I would be REAL hesistant trading some of their good young pitching prospects for quick fix help this year.
The expectations are so high, you often get suffocated by them. That looks to be the case with this year’s Yankees team.
You look at this team objectively and its just not a contender, given the present construction of the team.
How do you get it that way in season? I’m not a GM but, it seems to me that’s asking an awful lot.
We shall see.
You can’t listen or read the reactionaries here like SJ44, Brian C and canofcorn because they are just trying to get a rise out of you. They don’t care about the team. They are just troublemakers trying to cause problems.
Don’t blame the Yankees for Bernie not coming back. If he shows up to spring training, hes making the team and right now he’d be on pace for 500 at bats. He made a terrible decision.
Yeah, I agree. This isn’t on Proctor. He did his job.
He shouldn’t have even been out there for the 13th.
Bruney, Myers and the inability to deliver runners from third with less than two outs killed them today.
I’d love to be in the room with SJ44 in 2005 when the season looked shot and they were bringing in guys like Chacon and Small and May and Redding to pitch.
You think his head would be on fire?
Can we get a win tomorrow and head to baltimore and sweep the hapless birds? I think we should be able to accomplish that.
And stop the pen bashing. No one said anything the past 15 games as the pen has been shutdown worthy.
Swing and miss again Astoria.
Yeah, I am a real reactionary. I wrote some REAL reactionary stuff.
You think this is a playoff team? If so, tell me WHY. Tell me the strengths and weaknesses of this team.
Go ahead, let’s have a baseball discussion. Tell me why you think this is a playoff team. Tell me why you think they will show what they haven’t shown for most of the season.
Please, reactionary? Sometimes, you seem to have real problem with honest analysis.
I don’t care about the team? Yeah, too funny. Keep it up. That’s about 5 k’s about me by you today. You are on a roll. lol
What in the world in the last two posts I made can be remotely called “reactionary”?
Don’t make it personal with me. Discuss the team and tell me why you think they will just flip the switch and play better baseball?
Must be real impossible to succeed for 12 years and rebuild. How can that be impossible since the Yankees and the Braves are proving that it is possible?
How can anyone take what you say seriously SJ if you run off at the mouth and make ridiculous statements like that?
Ask the Pirates how there rebuilding thing has been going since Bonds left. The O’s since Ripken left.
There is no such thing as rebuilding in baseball. Its reloading. As barren as the system was for years there its amazing that they have been able to succeed like this. Its not like they are 10 games under 500 here.
This team has too much talent and too much pride to write off. If you are going to write them off, SJ44, maybe you should stop watching and just come back next June for the draft.
Josh,
Nope. Try again. Only problem with your 2005 analysis is, they went on a 10 game winning streak in Mid-May of 2005, when they were 11-19 and never looked back. They were never at .500 again that season.
After 72 games in 2005, they weren’t 36-36, as they are this year.
The Red Sox and Tigers were also not as good in 2005 as they are this year. Meaning, there was less spread in the standings. Also, the Yankees record, and offense, against bad teams, was much better than it is this year.
Aside from those “minor” differences, your analysis of this year’s team vs. 2005 is spot on.
This is nothing like 2005. If you went back and reviewed that season, and compared it to this one, you wouldn’t have written such a mistake-filled analysis.
SJ again i disagree at almost $200 mill they can be very competitive and rebuild. they were fairly financially prudent this yr Igawa only makes 4 mill a yr. and got rid of rj and sheff that they are making some decent moves. you can argue quite persuasivily that Moose was a bad signing but under the circumstances and with the market over priced and bleak I give cash a pass also Moose is for 2 yrs not these ridiculous 4 or 5 yr deals…
BTW where are all the people that clamored for lilly or meche???It truly is a long season isn’t it??/
they thought rasner, karstens, pavano, or Igawa would give them something they were wrong on all 4.. They have about 6 wins in about 16 starts. They also thoug with numerous arms; farns., proctor, vizciano, and bruney 1 would be a reliable 8th inning guy of course that was wrong also…myers and whomever were to be firnge guys…
cano, abreu, damon, and giambi have been big dissapointments so far.
jeter has been Jeter, Arod has been phenomanol, posada has been even better then expected. matsui has been his usual and Melky has been down a little but appears to be getting it together and I personally really like how he plays.. So really with these guys underachieveing in the lineup and pen could cash really done things differently?/You have 9 or 10 people that have not really done there job!!!
Age; really abreu 32, damon 32, cano 24, kyle 30, proctor 30, vizciano 31, they have not produced…
again one guy 80 of scot shields or Okajima alone and the yanks have 6 more wins…1 relaible 8th inning type guy, it is that simple but that hard to fill…..
You are not only a jerk SJ44 but you are boring. Take that Sox jersey off and wash it. You’ve been wearing it way too long today.
I guess when you are 500 in June your season is definately over. Way to write them off, SJ44!!
You crack me up with your ridiculous statements and then you become sore when people call you out on it.
Can you people not engage SJ44? Please.
No one likes reading his war and peace style posts. It’s like having a root canal.
Maybe he’ll go root for the Royals who are rebuilding like he wants the Yanks to do.
I meant 80% of shields or Okajima….
The Braves, Angels and Red Sox didn’t make the playoffs last year. Two of the three, Angels and Red Sox, are much better teams this year.
Its tough to do. No team does it every year. Look at this roster with the age and untradeable contracts on it. Its tough to do.
Its tough to retool AND keep making the playoffs every year. Especially in the AL. The Red Sox and Angels are perfect examples of that.
At some point, this team is going to miss the playoffs. I don’t see why that is so stunning to people. They almost missed it in 2005. Now, two years older, and a lot less consistent, its not impossible this is the year they don’t make it.
Please don’t go on here and tell us that the Yanks should have signed Okajima and they’d be 10 up in the East.
The Sox thought they were getting a lefty specialist. Not an 8th inning guy there.
And the Yanks could have had Shields.
If they would have traded SJ44′s best buddy A-Rod to Anaheim.
As usual SJ is astute with his saying eventually the Yankees won’t make the playoffs.
Tomorrow he will also proclaim that everyone dies and everyone has to pay taxes.
Whiff #6 Astoria. Pull out the ‘ole, “I am a Red Sox fan” when you can’t analyize the team.
Keep trying. One of these days you may say something correct about me.
The Red Sox have age all over their roster. Are they not as good because of it? Young teams don’t win in the major leagues. Of course, every team needs a few young guys for payroll and for freshness but you cannot rebuild with all young guys.
And 31 for a ballplayer today is not old. Just because Damon is banged up doesn’t mean hes washed up. Thank God we don’t have all you people making decisions in the front office or half of you would trade Jeter today because hes banged up and they lost today.
You win with starting pitching.
That’s it.
If Wang gets thru the 7th inning and keeps it at 4-2. The games over. You can attack everyone else but an aces job is to get thru 7 every start and he didn’t do that today.
I do not think the Yanks should have signed Okajima and I know the Angels would not trade SHields my point is if they just had 1 guy who was 80% of there performance which they should have they would be 10 games over 500 that is it.
Bruney, proctor, farnsworth, etc. .should be better then they are that is it… The person people should despise is Farnsworth he is the guy who has not produced and besides not producing he throws so many pitches in each inning that he has difficulty supposively going more then 1 inning or in back to back games. If he was lock down good then that is another story but KYLE is a big big reason for the Yanks position………………….
Spell analyze right SJ before you run your mouth off again.
You’re a broken record, SJ. We all get it. The Yanks stink. Bullpen stinks. Trade everyone. Yadda Yadda Yadda. You’ve been saying the same crapola since March.
We all get it. Your negative attitude is as boring as your posts.
SJ44,
I agree about not trading real prospects this year for bit pieces. You save your chips so they are available if guys like Santana become available next year.
I think you are being a bit too negative about this team. You’re right about the flaws you bring up. However, I just don’t think the Wild Card contenders are any better. Cleveland has no pen and no closer, Oakland struggles to score runs and Seattle isn’t great. There have been so many teams that have been .500 and wound up making runs at the playoffs. This team has talent. Add one more good pen guy and maybe a veteran right handed bat who can play first and you can make a run.
SJ44 knows A-Rod!
Eveyrone better recognize!
They are like best friends.
SJ 44 always talks about the age nonsense. 38 is old for a position player even 35 but not 32.. Ooops Jeter and Arod are basically 32 there production will go down any minute.
Again the reason Boston is ahead is Okajima and Papelbon, even there better rotation would have been neutralized by the Yankee offensive production but the Yanks pen is weaker….
Okajima is pure luck, look theo the genius thought the guy from Seattle could close……………….
You can nitpick and find flaws in every single team.
3 weeks ago the Mets were the best team in baseball and had no issues. 3 weeks later they got chemistry problems, no pen, no OF, delgado stinks, Reyes has no eye, etc.
Unfortunately with knee jerk fans, losses mean critical and negativity reigns.
Can someone please explain why with two outs and men on first and third Rivera wasn’t brought into the game at that time. Was he even warming up in the pen? You already knew they were pusing the envelope trying to get another complete inning out of Proctor after pitching the day before and already throwing two complete innings. He wasn’t going to get a strike out in that situation and without putting Rivera in you no longer gave yourself a chance to win the game. Regardless of how you got to that situation. I don’t think he ever had any intentions of actually bring Roger into the game. You need to use your relievers first, you can’t put a starter back in when your closer is still on the bench. It should have been Rivera with two outs, then he could still pitch the bottom of the next inning then if needed you look for a starter once you’ve exausted all other options (just my opinion). Joe needed to manage the game at that point and I don’t think that he did that what makes me most disappointed about this lost. We still had a chance to win and lost with one of the best relievers in the game on the bench. Hope we can still bounce back tomorrow and have taken two out of three, I still believe in this team!
Boston is ahead because of one thing.
Starting pitching.
Beckett, Dice K, Schilling, Wakefield and Tavarez have been great all year. They didn’t have to start DeSalvo 5 times. Rookies 11 times. They weren’t going to the pen in the 4th inning every single game. You didn’t see Donnelly pitch 15 games in a row. Timlin every night.
Starting pitching wins. And with great SP, you also never get into long losing streaks.
There is always some funny stuff said on this blog but this dude saying he knows and is friends with A-Rod and being serious has to take the cake.
You win tomorrow and you did your job. Take 2 out of 3. Win series’. Thats the goal. Keep doing that and things take care of themselves.
Adversity always brings out the best in the Yankees and if you doubt that you shouldn’t be on a Yankee blog 2 hours after a game.
asst manager that is true but that being the case if the Yank pen was just what it should be it at this point would be a different story.
The sox will have there starting issues also and then the donnelys, lopez, snyder hasbeens will be exposed…
the Yanks knew starting pitching would be a problem the only way they could have dealt with that would have been to overpay for matsuzaka, meche, zito, or Lilly which I oppose no matter what happens this season.. Do you think Sf likes the 7 yr Zito contract??I think he will pitch better but not 7 yr $100 + mill better…….
Beckett and Dice-K are young, innings eating type of starters. What Wang is for the Yankees.
Even at 40, Schilling eats innings. That’s important in today’s game.
Innings eaters cover up bullpen weaknesses. In Boston’s case, they are able to get the ball to Papelbon because their starters eat innings. Something the Yankee starters (absent Wang and Pettitte for most of the season) do on a consistent basis. That’s how you cover for a bad bullpen.
The age thing works in various ways. Such as injuries. Guys breakdown more when they are over 32. The studies teams have done show it, and that has hurt the Yankees the past few years.
Where it really shows up is in the pitching staff. The Yankees don’t have a lot of innings eaters among the starters and that exposes the bullpen. The real weakness within this team.
The Angels have done a good team of adding a mix of youth and experience to their team. Its a balance that I wish the Yankees could strive to be when re-tooling the team.
I think age isn’t THE problem with the team. But, it is a problem. We have seen it this year.
Hughes is 20, karstens and rasner are early 20′s…they got hurt… Pavano is a waste to society but only 31 for a pitcher not old…
Again the Yanks new they did not have innings eaters going into the season but there was no way to deal with that issue… would keeping jaret wright or rj do it/ No.. Lilly and meche and tie up over$100 mill do it? that would be insane so cash said lets get some hard throwers in the pen and bash.. they have hard throwers in the pen like the white sox but to this point they have not produced…..The yanks pen has not been as bad as the white sox but that is not saying much…
people forget the Yanks reserves and minors for the last few yrs. have been so dreadful that cashman has done all he could this yr. to try to make the big club better and replenish the minors…
shilling is 40, tavarez is 33, the knuckleballer is 40, there staff is not young.. Okajima is 31 and donnely is older, they have not had there bad luck yet under your reasoning……..
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For torturing their arrogant etitled a..hole d….hbag fans this century.
MY GOD you guys s.ck in so many ways, every day is like x mas for us Sox fans.
See where all your hubris got you?
Couldnt happen to a bigger bunch of d…hbag fans
chokers.
have fun watching mad dog russo light fat mikes a.s on fire tonight.
You guys REALLY give new meaning to the phrase Yankees S.ck.
Oh by the way those 9 wins in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 !! made up 7 games on the sox!!! 1978 all over again!!
Bummer, must S…..to be you
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still catching up on my weekend non-commenting
the only good thing about this game was that we didn’t have Joe Buck announcing.
Worst announcer in all of sports. period.