Pitching matchups for the Orioles series
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 25, 2007 
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Tuesday: LHP Andy Pettitte (4-5, 3.28) vs. RHP Jeremy Guthrie (4-1, 2.42), 7:05
Wednesday: RHP Roger Clemens (1-2, 4.86) vs. LHP Erik Bedard (5-4, 3.60), 7:05
Thursday: RHP Chien-Ming Wang (8-4, 3.51) vs. RHP Daniel Cabrera (6-8, 4.98), 7:05
Not much else to tell you at this point. Some players went to Baltimore, some went home, some went elsewhere and it was the same for the media. I’ll be driving down to Baltimore tomorrow and will check in from Camden Yards once I arrive.
Maybe I missed this somewhere else on the site, but can you talk about the trade rumors about Mark Buehrle and why the Yankees don’t seem to be a part of them.
Safe travels Pete… When you get to bmore, can you ask the team for a sweep please? Thanks.
i usually complain about days off. this one is needed though.
yea tell the yanks to sweep and if you pass the Sox/Tigers/Indians bus slash a tire or two for us
The Yankees are a part of the Buehrle rumors. They don’t need this guy for a season going nowhere, especially since he wouldn’t re-sign here anyway.
Hopefully some of the Yankees get lost on their way to Baltimore.
dan, read Heyman on SI.Com or MLBTradeRumors.Com or the NYPost.Com. All 3 have articles today on the Yankees and Buerhle. I think they should if they can get him for one good prospect and spare parts and have a 72 hour window to work an extension.
if the whitesox had a reasonable interest in yankee non stud pitchers then Buerhle is a good option also only if he signed a reasonable exception therefore I think the Yanks are not in the conversation..
the red sox will put him in the rotation and remove tavarez this yr. and shilling next yr and I guess they are willing to trade ellsbury and some other good prospects like bucholtz…..
again I think Buerhle is a good pitcher but what is he worth?? If the Sox would take clippard, whelan,and ohlendorf I do it, but the whitesox would not accept that would they?
I agree with Stuart. If the Sox were willing to deal Buerhle for some of our “B” level prospects, I would do it in a heartbeat, but if not, don’t touch it. If the Red Sox want to get rid of their young studs for Buerhle, more power to them, and in fact that could help the Yanks in the long run. Let them sell off their young pitching, and we’ll keep stockpiling ours. We may have to deal with a painful season or so, but eventually that patience will pay off.
Where are you guys getting the notion that the Sox are interested in selling any of their young arms. If they were this trade would of happened already because Williams is looking for Bucholz and Ellsbury and obviously the Sox aren’t moving them.
Look first of all, the Red Sox have no real interest in him, they just want to drive up the price for the Yankees. When your team is that far ahead of the pack and you have young players coming through, you can trade for a rent-a-player but you don’t give up stud prospects for him.
As for the Yankees, I think he makes more sense as we really only have 3 reliable starters, two of which may be gone in April. So therefore if we can get him for Ian Kennedy, and a few other low level prospects, and we can get a window to sign him I do it.
He is left handed, 28 years old, threw a no hitter this year, he has thrown over 200 innings and over 30 starts for each of the past 6 seasons and he has a 3.8 career ERA. I think he still has many productive years left.
I don’t see the point in trading Chamberlain or Kennedy for Buehrle. Then again, for all the talk of how they want to hold onto the young arms they are 11 1/2 out and the Boss may demand they do something.
The Red Sox aren’t giving up their pitching prospects for Buerhle, so forget about that one.
Depending on Schilling’s long term status, Tavarez could stay in the rotation — he’s been pitching well.
As for the Yanks, it will be a close game Tuesday. Guthrie has generally been gangbusters for the Orioles. Wang is definitely the favorite for Thursday, but lefty Bedard is sure to be trouble on Wednesday.
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http://baseballprospectus.com/.....chatId=320
Kanstey (Boston, MA): Bucholz or Joba? Bowden or Kennedy? Bard or Betances?
Kevin Goldstein: Bucholz, Bowden, Betances[/quote]
this is how it works according to red sox fans there prospects are always better then ours and if they make a trade it is good but if anyone else makes a trade it is bad.
afterall there team is lined with minor league talent all 2 of them….
yankssox poster is in on the meetings between kenny williams and theo the prodigy….
according to you lester is better then hughes, buchholtz is better then chamberlain, and ellsbury is the next coco crisp..
buerhle is a good pickup for either team especially the yanks if they give up only b talent. the red sox have way more margin for error becuase on the big club they have much better young pitching(beckett, matsuzaka, and lester????) so that is my take..
I think the white sox will not get much for DYe, buerhle, and the rest of the gang….I think the white sox are in trouble but then again they picked up toby hall in the offseason….
one more thing I forgot Tavarez at 5 ERA is good and pitching well according to reasonable sox fan but mussina a 5.00 is terrible.. seems fair to me.
Forget the Yankees and Buerhle. Unless, of course, you want to lose Kennedy, Chamberlain or Hughes.
It makes no sense to deal for other teams failed players.
Don’t quote Buerhle’s numbers to me either. The Yankees pound him and they are a terrible hitting team. Another soft tossing lefty is the LAST thing this team needs.
I know everybody thinks this team is one or two deals away from being back on top. They.
When you don’t hit, don’t pitch, don’t run the bases and, truth be told, don’t play all that hard, for LONG stretches of a season, one or two trades change nothing.
13 games until the break. Play it out, see where they are at the break, then Cashman needs to decide what to do.
Hopefully, he is in sell mode. This team is going nowhere this year and if they can move guys like Farnsworth and a few others, with an eye toward 2008, all the better.
I wouldn’t touch ANY of the “A” list pitching prospects for anybody that’s out there. Just not worth it.
Sometimes, you just have to suck it up, and have the 25 guys in that locker room play better. If they can’t do that, all the trades in the world aren’t breathing life into this team.
Sometimes, a team just isn’t good. That seems to be the case with this years team.
From the Sun Times on June 9
Pitcher Mark Buehrle (above) said if he was traded to the New York Yankees, he would call a team meeting the first day and let everyone know he would not be following Yankees policy and shaving his facial hair. ”I’ll make sure it’s put into my contract,” Buehrle said.
We kill Burhle and his 88MPH nothing fastball. Please Mark, go to the Red Sox, I’d love to see the Yankees face him 5 times a year.
I predicted the Rockies sweep. Now I’m predicting that the birds will sweep too.
Yeah, because Buerle is clearly good enough and established enough to tell Steinbrenner to kiss his butt on the facial hair rule…. good luck getting traded to the Royals, pal.
I agree with SJ, to a degree. This Yankee team is going nowhere if they keep up this pathetic excuse for an effort. But, they do have the ability to play better. I have no explanation for being a game under .500 in late June, but as the last couple of weeks have shown, we can gain and lose 7 games in a hurry. The division is not out of reach with half a season to play, and certainly, neither is the wild card.
But one or two trades won’t change anything unless the guys coming in are somehow able to light the fire that doesn’t seem to stay lit this year. A 10 game winning streak can do that, but the next one can’t be followed by losing 5/6.
Good prediction Sox fan, I mean testing2
The rockies couldn’t have predicted a Rockies sweep. nice try, troll. And by the way, the Rockies are a much better team than baltimore.
Can they play better? Yes, although they do test that theory for long stretches of the season! lol
But, do they play well enough to not just be a playoff contender but to WIN in the playoffs? I honestly don’t think they do.
That’s why I am loathe to give up the future in an attempt to salvage this season.
SJ44 the yanks stink according to you, why do they have more runs scored then given up????
they cannot hit according to you that is why they have the 2nd most runs scored in baseball..
many of the things you say are reasonable but even though they have many warts and there offense is incosistent they again have scored the 2nd most runs in Baseball..
If you do not admit to this fact the rest of your comments are folly….Boston has this better constructed offense and have had way less injuries and BTW they have scored less runs .. there offense is fine, they have no pitching..
if the sox want top tier talent for buerhle then you pass and if he would not adhere the team rules then you pass, not a big deal either way….let him go to the cards near his home…
the division is out of reach. boston would have to fall off a cliff, but in reality winning the division means nothing.. you get 1 more home game in the playoffs.
also SJ44 I do think the tigers at present are better then the Yanks and the angels and red sox so I am not saying we will win in the playoffs. I am saying the yanks could make them as the wildcard and if they make some moves we can go from there..
Pete – Good luck on that drive man. It is brutal I used to go to Loyola in Baltimore and expect 5 hours unless you leave at the butt crack of dawn.
I don’t wanna give up anything for a rental player, not worth it. But for a decent return on a Clippard type prospect, for someone that we can extend that will help this year AND in the future, I’m fine with that.
They can and should be able to win with this team. but I agree, whether or not they will remains to be seen. I’m a little speechless as to how they can play this bad this late in the season. After rattling off 11/13,turn around and look like a beaten dog for a week. Looking more and more like ’05 everyday, but they came all the way back that year with Small and Chacon. let’s hope Clemens and Hughes or someone else can get us back there and actually WIN in the playoffs again….
SJ44, afterall…you are good friends with A-Rod, right?
Can you ask him to get me Wil Nieves’ autograph?
Oh yeah, and tell him not to opt out…pleaseeeeeeeeee
“yankssox poster is in on the meetings between kenny williams and theo the prodigy….”
Yes I sat in on the meetings and heard everything, so I’ll tell you when the trade is going down. I said, which I have read from all reports that Williams is looking at Bucholz and Ellsbury, he is looking for Type A prospects and he is not going to get them from the Sox or the Yanks
according to you lester is better then hughes, buchholtz is better then chamberlain, and ellsbury is the next coco crisp..
and yes I said all those things, except I hope Ellsbury is the next Willie Mays actually, jackass
If you think that Lester is better then Phil Hughes, then you’re smoking something really gooood.
Jon Lester is another LL (loser lefty).
we got back to within 7.5 with one good and short hot streak. over 80 games left and 6 more against Boston.
nothing is out of reach, just won’t be easy. let’s also not act like Boston’s never fallen off till the end of the year before. Schilling could be hurt and guys that are overachieving can very easily come back to earth, just as easily as our underachievers can come out of it..
Not saying they will win the division, but they can.
Go away.
Stop wasting time on this website, the season’s over!!
Have you watched this team hit this year stuart? There is no more overblown stat than total runs scored when it comes to the Yankees.
They score runs in bunches and have LONG bouts of inconsistency. That’s not a great offense. Its very average.
Also, its taken an unreal year by Arod thus far just to even be in the discussion that’s its a good offense. What happens if, God forbid, he has a slump? Who picks up Arod in this lineup?
Where is the power in the lineup after Arod? Doesn’t exist.
Situational hitting? Not there. RBI from third with less than 2 outs? The worst in the league this year.
Its not a good offense. Its average, at best. The runs scored stat is misleading. If you score 12 runs one game and 1 the next, you average 6 per game. That’s what the Yankees have been this year. That’s not a consistent offense.
Look at the lineup now. Damon is hurt and not hitting. Abreu hasn’t hit for most of the year. Cano has taken major steps backward in his development. Matsui has been up and down all year. The rest of the lineup? Nothing special.
The offense has been Jeter, Arod and Posada. Three guys can’t carry the offense all season.
With Giambi out, they get nothing out of the DH spot from a production standpoint. That’s a killer in the AL.
So, I stand by what I said. They don’t hit. They certainly don’t hit with the kind of consistency needed to be a playoff team.
Add to it the bullpen mess and the fact they have 3 5 inning starters in the rotation, sorry, I don’t see this being a playoff team.
Just my opinion on the matter.
Pete, CMW is now 7-4, not 8-4. Are you forecasting anything?
“I don’t wanna give up anything for a rental player, not worth it. ”
Exactly and this team will still stink.
I’m also not buying the injury excuse anymore.
Toronto has suffered more injuries than the Yankees have this year and they are finding a way to win games. Hell, they just swept the Rockies.
Injuries are an excuse.
Why have the Yankees scored more runs than their opponents, stuart? That’s easy. They only win the blowout games.
A more appropriate question would be, how many games have the Yankees when they have scored 4 or less runs? I would guess they are among the worst teams in baseball in that area.
Close, low scoring games determine playoff teams and champions. Its also why this team is 3-10 in their last 13 post-season games.
Its a very, very erratic offense that goes into the kind of offensive funks that render it an average offense, IMO.
I think the numbers bear that out.
“according to you lester is better then hughes, buchholtz is better then chamberlain, and ellsbury is the next coco crisp..
and yes I said all those things, except I hope Ellsbury is the next Willie Mays actually, jackass”
*SARCASM ALERT*
*SARCASM ALERT*
“I hope Ellsbury is the next Willie Mays actually, jackass”
Keep dreaming!! Mays had power, Ellsbury if your lucky will be more like Willie McGee
SJ44 –
The Jays have only won 1 more game than the Yankees, and have lost the same number of games as the Yankees. I would say neither team is doing very well.
I mostly agree with what you’ve been saying; but you do have to allow for the chronic injuries to Damon and Giambi, plus the injuries that practically decimated the pitching staff. To some extent, anyway. This year, the Yankees are not able to overcome these injuries, and I’m thinking one of the reasons is there is no consistent lineup out there. Even last year, once Sheff and Matsui went down, it wasn’t musical chairs out there. This year, quite a different story. Talk about “Who’s on First!”
Here are the remaining schedules for Cleveland (the wildcard leader) and the Yankees:
CLEVELAND YANKEES EDGE
4 Oakland 3 @ Baltimore Yankees (Y)
4 Tampa Bay 3 Oakland Cleveland (C)
3 @ Detroit 4 Minnesota Y
3 @ Toronto 3 L.A. Angels C
3 Kansas City4 @ Tampa Bay Y
3 Chi-Sox 4 Toronto Y
4 @ Texas 3 T.B. Y
4 Boston 4 @ K.C. Y
3 Minnesota 3 @ Baltimore Y
3 Texas 3 Chi-Sox C
4 @ Minnesota3 K.C. Y
3 @ Chi-Sox 3 @ Toronto Y
3 Yankees 3 @ Cleveland EVEN
2 Detroit 3 Baltimore Y
3 @ T.B. 4 Detroit C
3 @ Detroit 3 @ L.A. AngelsC
3 @ K.C. 4 @ Detroit C
3 Minnesota 3 Boston Y (Yankee Stadium)
1 Seattle 1 T.B. Y (both games close out August)
3 Chi-Sox 2 T.B. Y
3 @ Minnesota3 Seattle Y
4 @ Angels 3 @ K.C. Y
3 @ Chi-Sox 3 @ Toronto Y
3 K.C. 3 @ Boston C
3 Detroit 3 Baltimore Y
3 Oakland 4 Toronto Y
4 @ Seattle 3 @ T.B. Y (Cle. plays a doubleheader)
3 @ K.C. 3 @ Baltimore Y
Cleveland’s only real breathers are 7 games vs. T.B. and a dozen games vs. K.C., but those games are negated by the Yankees having 14 games vs. T.B. and 10 vs. K.C. Cleveland has no breather-stretch whereas the Yanks’ first 27 games after the Break 7/12-29 (7 vs. T.B., 7 vs. Toronto, 7 vs. K.C., 3 vs. Baltimore & 3 vs. the Chi-Sox) and 8/31-9/30
(6 vs. T.B., 3 vs. Seattle, 3 vs. K.C., 7 vs. Toronto, 6 vs. Baltimore, only 3 vs. Boston) should be a time to feast.
That’s 55 games for the Yanks to go on a tear, folks.
The Yankees only tough stretches are 10 vs. Oakland, Minnesota, and the Angels 6/29-7/8 and 14 vs. Detroit/ Angels/ Detroit/ Boston 8/16-30, but I think they have the ability to play at least .500 ball in those games.
In short, the Yankees will win the A.L. wildcard because they have a much easier schedule than Cleveland, their most formidable opponent for the wildcard. The Chi-Sox don’t have an offense or a bullpen. Oakland has no offense. Seattle is so-so/ not as good as they are right now. Toronto and Baltimore are pretenders. Minnesota doesn’t have the rotation after Santana or the offense after Morneau, Mauer, and Hunter to overcome Detroit, Cleveland, and maybe even the Chi-Sox.
I just went back and looked at the Yankees results this year.
After 73 games, the Yankees are 4-27 in games in which they have scored 4 or less runs. The month by month breakdowns in this catagory:
April: 2-9
May: 1-12
June: 1-6
It shows us they have had trouble hitting AND pitching this year.
In 42% of their games this year, they have scored 4 or less runs. That’s not a sign this is a good offense. Not in the AL.
It also shows, they can’t win the close, low scoring games. That’s an indictment of the bullpen.
You add in the walks from the ‘pen (second to Texas in the AL) and the poor situational hitting, its not a surprise they are 36-37.
The problem is, in the past, they could slug their way out of their weaknesses. They don’t do that anymore so, all of these “little things”, from the walks, to poor situational hitting and baserunning and, now the stolen bases allowed, kills this team.
The Dynasty teams not only won the close, low scoring games, they reveled in it. It played on other teams heads if the game went into the 7th inning and the Yankees had the lead.
Clearly, that’s changed and, IMO, its a big reason why this team is struggling so mightily.
“Keep dreaming!! Mays had power, Ellsbury if your lucky will be more like Willie McGee”
Is there any one on this board other than SJ and Pete that actually have a brain… I have to spell things out for you guys
My post was in response to all the early posters who were saying that the Sox are going to trade Bucholz and/or Ellsbury for Buerhle. I said this wouldn’t happen because those are two of their type A prospects. I was then mocked for somehow saying that Lester was better than Hughes even though neither of those guys were in my post.
I would use sarcasm such as Lugo is better than Jeter here but some of you would actually believe I meant that. With that being said…
Hughes >> Lester
Bucholz = Chamberlain
and (note: sarcasm)
Ellsbury >> Griffey, Mays, Mantle, Dimaggio combined
Absolutely, SJ. They show signs of actually playing baseball and doing those things you mentioned sometimes, but not consistently. I cannot fathom how a team with the baseball intelligence of Jeter, A-Rod, Posada, Moose/Pettitte/Rocket, etc… cannot do those things more often, but they need to figure it out, in a hurry.
Oh b.t.w., it will not take 95 wins to win the wildcard.
Try 90-91 wins as this is probably the most level playing field in the A.L. in years. Only T.B. and K.C. are teams you could safely say have no chance at the postseason thus that means a dozen teams do to varying degrees. I would say that Texas and Baltimore are just above T.B. and K.C. but not by much. The punching bags will be those 4, Chi-Sox, Seattle,
and Toronto.
Boston, Detroit, and L.A. will win their respective divisions.
It will be a long, hard fight between the Yanks, Cleveland, Oakland, and Minnesota, but I think the Yanks will prevail.
Why The Yanks Will Win the Wildcard –
There is no such thing as an easy schedule for the Yankees anymore. Simple as that. They cannot be counted on, as in the past, to pound on the supposedly weaker teams. They have to play every game tough and they can’t relax and make mental mistakes. They have to execute the basics and take NOTHING for granted.
SJ44 –
Yup. It makes you wonder how it changed so much for this team. It’s the same manager for all these years. Could it be a comfort level that he has with the team that is no longer warranted? I mean, there really has been a big turnover; only Posada, Jeter, Mariano have been a constant; Pettitte’s back, and Roger. But mainly, there’s a lot of new personalities here since 2000. Perhaps the earlier teams could be counted on to motivate themselves and be afforded the very respectful treatment that Torre gives his players. But also, perhaps this current crop needs a stronger hand?
And I don’t mean Lou Piniella-type temper tantrums.
So, wait, YanksSox, you’re saying Josh Phelps is a better fielder than Ozzie Smith?
“So, wait, YanksSox, you’re saying Josh Phelps is a better fielder than Ozzie Smith?”
I do believe you can quote me on that one
SJ STFU. You obviously know nothing and are not welcome here by most of the regulars. Time to hit the road.
Yankees are just a couple trades away from having stability, consistency, and a winning team. The instability with guys being moved around, DL’d, hurt, callups isn’t good for the team. Having a lineup you put out day after day is key to getting in a groove and winning games.
The long winning streak they had was one where there was stability in the lineup. Happeded right as Giambi left, Damon went to DH and Melky in center. Things clicked.
“Happeded right as Giambi left, Damon went to DH and Melky in center. Things clicked.”
Ok….. true…. but……. how did they UN-click the last 6 games? lineup hasn’t changed since the 9 game win streak.
I don’t think anyone’s saying this team hasn’t been hurt by injuries, but that streak showed they should still be able to win DESPITE the injuries, just as the did last year and the year before (save the playoffs). But they need a lot more than one winning streak.
I think they can and will get to the playoffs, but they need to do the things SJ mentioned, fundamental baseball things, to get it done and to have a prayer of actually winning a playoff series.
Sj your stats prove the offense is fine. it is not real complicated it is pitching..
I will take your stats as accurate they score 5 or more runs 58% of the time….IS that a problem… you score 5 or more runs you should win.. if they just won 70 % of those games they win a ton of games don’t they..
that makes about 91 games of 5 or more runs scored by the offense.. so about 70 games of 5 or less runs. they win half of those games that is 35 low scoring victories..
I disagree with your logic, it shows they have poor pitching especially out of the pen….
SJ44
The Yankees run differential gives them an expected Win-Loss record of 42-31. The fact that they are 36-37 currently is indicative of bad luck over a smallish sample size, and to some extent, a poor bullpen. Mostly, it has been bad luck, because this formula accounts for pretty much everything except luck, and in extreme cases, a really horrible pen or really, really poor situational hitting (which hasn’t really been the case in the late innings, except for a few instances).
And to say the Yankees’ offense is not “good” when they are second in the league in runs scored is preposterous. They haven’t been consistent, they have been streaky, but again, that has more to do with luck over a smallish sample size, and isn’t indicative of any inherent flaws. These things will hopefully even out over time. The fact that they have won so few games in which they have scored 4 or less runs shows that pitching is their problem, not hitting. If Damon can get healthy and they can pick up a decent first baseman, they will have a lineup that is only rivaled by the Tigers and possibly the Red Sox if Drew, Lugo, and Crisp can progress to their historical averages.
Chris, the linuep did change as they went to NL rules. Pitchers batting and Damon being hurt with Melky taking the lead off spot.
Yesterdays game was a complete change in lineup.
They need to get back to that lineup and things will improve. Damon needs to be healthy though. Without him in top shape, it just won’t work. He is a major part of the lineup.
The Yanks need hitting and pitching you cant win running Cairo and/or Phillips, and Melky out everyday. They are nice players who can fill in admorably but they are not everyday players. You also can’t win with someone hitting .111 as your backup catcher who can’t throw anyone out at second. Posada can never get an F-ing day off and it will hurt us later this year when he is dead tired.
Someone needs to light a fire under Abreu and Cano the are worthless at the plate again.
They also need bullpen help but first they should try in house with Britton and Ramirez give them a chance.
AND BY NO MEANS TRADE OUR TOP PITCHING PROSPECTS THEY ARE THE ONLY WAY THE YANKEES WILL BE ABLE TO TURN THIS AROUND AND COMPETE IN THE FUTURE OR WE WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH GUYS LIKE WRIGHT, PAVANO, BROWN, VAZQUEZ, WEAVER, RANDY, ETC..
_some went elsewhere_
Gee, I wonder who went where?
Paging Mr. Rodriguez, Bellagio courtesy phone, please.
you’re right, it did change. I was thinking injury wise, but the NL stuff did screw us in a way. But even that win streak line-up isn’t possible right now, Damon is not healthy. Plus, Abreu and Cano going back to their slumping ways doesn’t have anything to do with the lineup.
They just all need to get their stuff together and play better ball, period. We give them too many excuses. This team, what’s left of it, still has more talent than most of the league and should play better, end of story.
A-Rod can date whatever strippers, bodyguards, clowns, or monkeys he wants for all I care, as long as he keeps playing the way he is… If you confirm he’s at the Bellagio, I’ll send a couple strippers his way right now. Do they take AMEX?
Pete don’t forget to wish Jeter Happy Birthday tomorrow from your blog fans.
Hope the Yanks can pull out a Birthday win for our Captain.
Do they take AMEX?
Gawd, I hope so. I have to put it on my expense report!!
Find someone who looks like Elizabeth “Banks”:http://tinyurl.com/2lwlff
Chris Benoit is dead
wow, Vince McMahon now benoit. I wonder if there is foreign involvement.
Source: Torre to be fired if Yanks lose the series against the Orioles. Certainly, the pitching matcups are all favored for the Birds.
yanks rule, digya just hear this on Mike & the Maddog?
if the yanks finish the road 2-7 or 1-8, that wouldn’t be a surprise.
AT&T and Camden back to back. The Yanks might be sucking, Pete, but at least they’re sucking in places where it’s awfully nice to watch a game.
I am not welcome here by the regulars? That’s pretty cute coming from a punk who is on his 10th different screen name on this blog.
How would you know? You running the blog now?
Listen SJ is a troll punk, you ain’t runnin’ the blog. If Pete wants to ban me, he is welcome to do so. Its his blog, not yours.
Don’t like the opinions, that’s fine. Want to make it personal, that’s fine too. Two can play that game and remember, there are no secrets on the internet. Finding IP addresses and identities are quite easy to do.
Understand something, my little gutless punk friend, I am not going anywhere so, deal with it.
Probably with your next screename.
SJ is one of the most well respected posters on this blog. he has knowledge about things (especially the young players) some of you can one day dream about. It is really funny that honest criticism of this team is not accepted and only pie in the sky comments.
On another note tomorrow should be a big day for some movement. Damon DL question will be answered. One of the AAA guys shoudl be sent down and someone else brought up as I think we called up an extra bench player for the NL games. I am hoping that Britton finally gets a chance to stay and actually work.
Yankee Rule-
who’s the source? hints are acceptable answers.
To root or not to root-
if this is true, who do we root for? who will replace torre? I’m for replacing Torre, but I think it’s odd our horizon depends on Wang’s blistered index finger.
SJ-
don’t get angry. take it from someone (me) who has lived many life times, stick and stones will break Maris’ bones, but Mickey always let words roll off his back.
I’m just glad that the season’s over. Now I can spend more time with my family.
Yeah, you are right Dr. Acula. Gayle, thanks for the support.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I enjoy the give and take, the debates, if you will, that this blog enables. Without posters like SJ44 (and others), with whom you may not always or even ever agree, all that would exist here is a series of mindless rants. I have said it before, but I have learned a great deal here.
To those of you who simply cannot stomach any criticism, constructive or otherwise, of the Yankees, I suggest you just skip over the comments of posters with whom you know you won’t agree. The only criticism I have of this blog, especially lately (and I suspect it is because of the shaky play of the team), is the nastiness that seems to have escalated. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree on certain points, but it really shouldn’t devolve into a name-calling, insult-throwing slugfest.
This blog has gone to hell with the poor start and losing streak. It was so pleasant here while we were winning for 2 weeks. Now many names have appeared that i’ve never seen before. And there is far too much trash talking. Way too many people insulting others, and calling them idiots for their thoughts.
While I just starting posting here this spring, this was a nice place to blog. Right now it isn’t.
Jennifer –
I’m in agreement with you about the climate here lately.
Plus, a lot of names have disappeared, people whose posts I often looked forward to reading.
oops-
_Now I can spend more time with my family_
you sound like a public official. HA!
Yeah Doreen I enjoy the give and take, finding out more information about what goes on down on the farm.
I wish Pete had a way that you could ignore particular blogers, the ones that are just here to cause trouble and push peoples buttons.
SJ,
Even though I disagree with you a lot and tend to only read posts on this blog instead of posting myself, I want to echo the statements made by Dr. Acula and Gayle in saying that your opinions should and will be always welcomed on this blog.
For those who have been reading this blog for at least a year, SJ provides a realist side to the ideal wishes we all conjure day after day about this team being a shoe-in for the playoffs. Much like Kasey (for those who have been here for awhile, I have no idea where that guy went), SJ’s arguments spark heated discussions that ultimately make it easier to come to a solid, untainted fact about the current state of the Yankees and/or other issues in baseball.
Thanks again SJ and those bloggers who have fended off the real trolls on this blog – Red Sox fans who can’t come to grips with the fact that they might just happen to win the division for the first time in a decade and can’t just celebrate graciously -
That would be nice, Jennifer, but I think we have to just do it ourselves. Just scroll right past them and try not to respond.
FWIW, I don’t post here much. I come mostly for Pete’s updates and scroll down to read the regulars (SJ, Doreen, Kasey, Jennifer, Gayle, Acula, ChrisNY, et.al.), who are not only knowledgeable fans but also give pretty damn good analysis. In all honesty, I skip everyone else’s posts.
I often come to this blog for the sole reason of reading SJ44′s posts. they are thoughtful and coherent, and far exceed the typical state of affairs found here. too many little baby brats on this blog.
I disagree with SJ44 a lot, but I respect his opinion a lot more than the trolls that show up during losses. Let’s keep it clean and insult free. And at the same time, we need to ignore the trolls and not let idiot opinions bother us. Oh and keep the faith, the Yankees will make a few moves and make the playoffs this year, you’ll see. Go Yankees.
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How about this trade
Robi Cano+ T CLIPP for Texiara+Ian Kinsler
No wonder George hasn’t flipped his lid, the money keeps rolling in. LOL
A) Why would Texas trade Kinsler? They suck and aren’t going to trade a young player that is under their control for a while. B)It will take way more than T-Clip to get Texiera.
D PLO,
You’d have to throw Ian Kennedy also into that trade for it to “maybe” work. Cano and Clip straight up for Kinsler who is of equal talent with Cano and Teix who is a perennial all star… not so much. I’m all for giving up Kennedy (not for that deal) but I think he is the most expendable pitcher in the farm system out of the Hughes, Chamberlain, Marquez, Betances field.
A sudden unanticipated move by Cashman (i.e. trading away an unexpected or ‘name’ guy like Damon, Cano, Moose) might be an excellent way to shake things up. Of course Damon and Moose would have to OK the deal, but who knows they might want to get out of here. At least the other guys might get out of their dreamworlds and snap into it.
The Yankees should be a “net seller” with the underlying intention of trimming dead weight and becoming a “net buyer”. But you’ve got to have the guys to fill in the gaps those guys leave behind and I don’t know if they have them. Tyler Clippard replacing Mussina for the rest of the season? Oy vey.
Obviously trade Farnsworth if you can. He was a terrible signing to begin with. The guy was always a headcase and had off-the-field issues with the Cubs. He was never right for this place.
Stats like “expected wins” cannot tell you everything about some teams because there are particular situations (i.e. close and late) where particular teams are better positioned to win than others. The Yankees are not positioned to win close games right now. Their w/l record in close games is simply terrifying, and it is not all chance I promise you…
First off, I think all this Yanks/Red Sox sniping is funny. Reminds me of the shirt for sale at The Onion: “My local area sports team is SUPERIOR to your local area sports team.” Let’s get over the whole Yanks/Sox thing. They’re all hired guns – and a majority were born no where near NY or MA, probably. (Except for Pavano – insert joke here.) I mean, I’d love to see Selig merge both leagues so the Yanks/Sox/Metropolitans were in the same division. This blog would go nuts.
Second, lets relax on the trade talk. All the GMs can smell blood in the water – it’s not like when Cash pulled the Abreu trade last year – everyone knows the Yanks are a mess. He either has to take back bad contracts/attitudes or get pennies on the dollar for good talent. Should he be working the phones? Yes. Should he panic? I hope he doesn’t.
Third, the Sox missed the playoffs last year – and I think they rebounded nicely this season, to put it mildly. If we don’t make the playoffs, it’s not like we don’t have any hope for the future. I’d be pretty hopeful going into next season and Cash would have more flexibility to make bigger/better moves in the offseason.
The Yanks overpaid for talent for the past 6-7 years and it’s caught up with them. Unfortunatley they don’t have the rings to show for it.
Time to lock and reload and gun for the wild card – and hope we get Sal Fasano back in pinstripes…
Mark Buehrle is NOT what the Yankees need. That is u’re into watching the opposing team hit.
Yes, he throws 200 + innings per year. He also allows more hits than just about everyone else in the major leagues. He ranked 4th 2002,2nd in 2003, 2nd in 2004, 1st in 2005 and 1st in 2006 in hits allowed. He ranked 5th in home runs allowed in 2004 and 2nd in 2006.
The Yankees are not as good defensively as the White Sox. All those hits would be compounded by the defense.PLEASE Mr Cashman, do NOT trade for Mark Buehrle!!!
Stuart:”one more thing I forgot Tavarez at 5 ERA is good and pitching well according to reasonable sox fan but mussina a 5.00 is terrible.. seems fair to me.”
Taverez has an era of 4.50 (that has been shrinking of late) and makes a little over 3 million. Mussina is at 5.12 and makes over 11 million. Are you really that stupid not to understand which is the better 5th starter? Judging by your writing skills, I’m thinking yes
I haven’t been posting here long but I have been reading and getting my updates when I’m in class or work and cannot watch the game. I enjoy reading comments from some of my favorites, Jennifer, Doreen, SJ44, Doc A, Chris, suart, dave and some others.
A lot of the comments answer a lot of questions I may have and don’t quite understand a lot of what is written on the MLB boards or other things.
I also enjoy Petes updates and the fact he does take part in the conversation when he can. This is one spot where I can just come and here and feel as if I’m either at home or watching the game with other fans at the stadium.
I know maybe a lot of my comments may not matter a lot of times because between school and trying to sneak and take peaks while on breaks may break what I mean to say but I am glad I can come here and read stats or just get updates from people a lot more knowledgeable about the game and the Yankees than I am. Every opinion matters to me whether I agree or not. I do however agree that name calling or attacks can take away from what some of us are here for. I have a crappy keyboard so sometimes I just read
Thanks for those who do contribute and make it easier for me to understand what’s going on with the Yankees when I come to read.
Mussina 105 pitches in 5 innings against a SF team with a team BA of 249 is not what we needed after Wang’s 6.1 innings the day before in the 13 inning loss.
The Yankees have very few players that they could move easily (forgetting the money issue)
Kyle Farnsworth, even with his lapses, he is still very tradeable, we’d have to eat some of his contract, but he’d be one in demand.
Johnny Damon-paritial no trade, but he is owed alot of money, and is injury prone.
Kei Igawa- not owed alot, but it wouldn’t look good in Japan to trade him so early.
Mike Myers- hey someone might want a lefty specialist who can’t get out leftys
Ron Villone- he’s a 10-5 guy (right?) so we’d need him to approve it.
cano- he’s still young, not sure if i’d do it.
Bruney- has shown some signs, but walks to many people.
If we traded any of these guys how much would they really net us? I only listed players i would consider trading.
Let the Sox give up Jacob Ellsbury for Buehrle a pitcher the Yankees have had good success against. The White Sox covet Ellsbury.
The Red Sox are not giving up Ellsbury or any top-level prospect for Buehrle.
How about trading Bobby Abreu? I say Farnsie and he are the two who need to go and realistically can be moved.
I am not worried about who the Red Sox would trade for at this point. Let them get Buehrle and whoever else.
He’s going to end up in St Louis anyway and it really doesn’t effect us at this point. We have to worry about righting ourselves after this bad week.
And losing makes this blog terrible. The SJ44 types come out of the bushes to ransack this.
Then the Red Sox are not getting Buehrle, Ellsbury is who the White Sox are asking for.They gave Florida Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Beckett.
Trade Abreu? Were you syaing that at this time last week?
There might be nothing funnier than fan trades.
Astoria, are you the moderator? This is a baseball blog right?
Who cares who the Sox trade for Buehhrle?
At least Theo realizes that great pitching wins titles. Cashman should lose his job strictly for Pavano and Igawa.
Whats your point TimH? The Sox, us, and Buehlres future isn’t baseball? Maybe you stepped into the wrong place, TimmyH.
Any trade that weakens the Sox is a good trade for us.
The Yanks need to play “little ball” like they did so well during the winning streak. It would be nice to see them bunt early in the game, even when on the road. There’s not a lot of power in the lineup without Giambi. Anyone who thinks the Yanks don’t miss Giambi is kidding themselves.
You don’t want to write the season off. Face it,we’re spoiled. We need bullpen pitchers who can throw strikes. Here’s hoping the give Chris Britton another shot.
I have as much right to be here as you Astoria, and you comment on things I wish to.
The tone and climate during and after losses is unbearable here with the quitter trolls and the sox trolls and the harp on everything wrong with the yankee nation trolls. But I guess thats blogging comments is nowadays.
Alright, many expressed thier feelings about the team. Now that things are not going that good, many are ready to jump the ship and conclude that we will not make the playoffs. Amazingly, many of the same people suddenly changed the tune when the team went on a wining streak.
Ok, let us show our hands….
If you still think that the team will make it to the playoffs, say so. No ifs and buts. If you really believe in it, it is time to go on record.
I personally believe we will make the playoffs. Who else thinks so?
I left Bobby off my list, because he has a full no-trade. And you can bet that he would want his 16 million option picked up, plus years added. He wouldn’t make it easy. Unless he is misrable in NY.
Welcome to the internet. If you want someone to agree with everything you say, talk to your dog.
It’s funny. The comments went from making Bruney the closer to now he’s getting shopped with Cano (an all star 2b and cheap and home grown).
Over reactions much here?
TimmyH, I still have no idea what you’re talking about. If you can’t take someone saying your opinion is clueless here than you are in for a tough time when everyone gets going here. This is a tough room. You can say anything your little heart desires. Doesn’t make it right or even semi intelligent and from reading you for the past half hour I lean to both.
Yeah Jen, according to Torre the attempted bunt by Abreu was his idea not Torre’s. He didn’t play bad last year, but is horrid this season.
I’m with you BBFan, we are making the playoffs this year. Then all bets are off. Granted it will take some changes to get it done, but I still believe. Keep the faith, go Yankees!
If you quit on this team in June you shouldn’t call yourself a Yankee fan. You’ve had it too easy. You know some of us remember the late 60′s and early 70′s. There should be no quit in any of you. I weep for you.
Jennifer,
Ron Villone is not a 10-5 guy. He has only been with the Yanks since last season.
Astoria, you have some issues. Just chime in, I contribute my little bit, you yours. Very simple process.
I admit I can’t say it is a lock for us to go to the play-offs. Do I think we still have a chance. HELL YEAH! Personally I think the Tigers will win the division, and we will have to fight it out with Oakland and the Indians for the wild card. I believe the Angels will win the west.
Do I want to win the AL East yeah, but realistically, it is going to be very difficult, we don’t have that many games left with the soxs, so we’ll need alot of help.
We still have a shot at the WC.
Who’s going to beat the Yanks out? Cleveland?
You think that pen will hold up for 4 months? You think Sabathia is going 22-4??
Oakland can’t score any runs.
Seattle? Toronto?
Give me a freakin’ break here.
All the quitters should form their own blog and get it over with.
Timmy, a little tip. Don’t call people out for nonsense especially when you are saying nothing and don’t have a clue on why you even called someone out. It’s pretty lame.
Don’tfire
Doesn’t the 10 refer to 10 years mlb service? If so Villone has over 10 years in the majors.
I forgot that the baseball season ended before July. I’ll have to refund my season tickets now.
I think we will be competing with the Indians and we have a real good shot over taking them. Tigers leading the league in runs scored, great pitching and K. Rogers back. Tigers, Sox, Angels three very good teams.
Astoria, how about you ignore me, I you. Give it a try. I’m not impressed with you so far either.
Yeah and the Sox, Tigers and Angels have their divisions.
We aren’t competing with them. Stay with me here. I’m spreaking slowly for everyone to follow.
We’re competing with Cle, Oak, Tor, Minny, Sea.
If you’re scared of any of those teams, please stop watching and commenting on baseball.
I wouldn’t count out Oakland, I’d say it comes down to them and us. I don’t think Cleveland, Minnesota, Seattle or Toronto have staying power.
Jennifer, you need 10 years in the majors, 5 with the same club. Moose qualifies, Villone doesn’t
Minnesota could be a good second half team.
Timmy, I never even noticed you. Besides your clueless statements about who the Sox were going to trade for some pitcher. Like it matters. Like a rumor started by a Chi writer, planted by a Chi GM, about getting a high haul for a soon to be FA who will be pitching in STL next yr, matters.
It will be us, Cleveland, Minnesota for the WC.
Jennifer 10 and 5 means 10 years in the majors AND 5 with the same team. After that you MUST approve any trades
Anyone writing off the season today because we’ve started slow is just a flat out quitter. Really nothing else to say about that.
Like a team lead by Jeter and Mo and Posada and Pettitte and Torre is going to roll over and die because of a setback.
Have we all been watching the same team the past decade? Guess not.
Thanks for clarifying the 10-5 rule.
So far the following believe the yanks will make it to the playoffs:
BBFan
Jeff NJ
Kathy
Jennifer
TimH
Marvin Gardens
Who else thinks we will make the playoffs?
Don’t be a fair weather fan later when the next winning steak starts!
What is your problem Astoria? Is this site by invite only? I come here often. I’ve been a Yankees fan for over 50 years and season ticket holder. Your problem is you assume you know everything about someone you don’t.
Minnesota is not good, they miss Liriano in a huge way. I don’t trust their offense without Morneau either, any word on how long he’ll be out?
Minnesota why? Because of their great pitching after Santana????
Their great hitting after Justin M??
They got a great pen and play good D and have the games best SP but they are not a 90 win team.
Timmy, the only thing I know about you is your clueless statement about the Sox and some internet trade rumor. I really could care less about anything else about you. You’re probably a swell guy. Maybe we should grab a beer later so you can charm me some more.
Twins are playing better baseball then we are, if you haven’t noticed.
The good thing about there being a number of good teams in the central (Tigers, twins, and Indians) They all have to play each other 19 times, so they will beat up on each other. That will lower their win totals, and make it easier for us to sneak in.
I watch Cleveland play a lot since I unfortunately live in Cleveland. They got some great offense. But the pen is shakier than the Yanks and after CC and CArmona its a shaky starting staff.
Morneau is day to day.
ok Cleveland is dangerous too, they have two lights out starters in Sabathia and Carmona.
And a week ago the Yanks were playing the best baseball in the game bar none. A lot changes even after one game.
This ship can righted very quickly with a strong game tomorrow and a good next 6 games.
Cleveland should be the ones going after Mark Buehrle and Eric Gagne.
Astoria, I prefer you to ignore me, I’ll do the same to you. I’ve been here a 1/2 hour not one comment about baseball, just stalking me.
I’d like to dead and buried in August before I consider calling it a day on the 2007 season. Can we see what kind of heart this bunch has before we call it DOA?
I think Morneau will go on the DL. Hopefully he won’t be around when we play them next week. Not that I am wishing ill on him, just on his teams chances vs. us.
Hey Timmy, how about you read thru the posts before you keep running that mouth off. My offer still stands. Lets meet and maybe hug it out. You sound really cuddly. First round on me.
Cashman is going to be working those phones hard the next 2 weeks. And we all know he won’t do panic deals like trading Chamberlain, Kennedy or Hughes for quick fixes. Which is nice.
At least the Twinkies are NY, I hate that plastic dump they play in.
So far the following believe the yanks will make it to the playoffs:
BBFan
Jeff NJ
Kathy
Jennifer
TimH
Marvin Gardens
Rufus
Chris NY
Who else thinks we will make the playoffs?
Don’t be a fair weather fan later when the next winning steak starts!
That team without Morneu is like us without A Rod. Not potent.
7 games out of the WC? Yanks are still in the playoff hunt. Finding another Aaron Small would help, though.
Come on. There is no chance the Yanks won’t make the playoffs. Jeter won’t let it happen. They got a ton of issues right now but who doesn’t?
The key is keep grinding and get W’s.
Jeff, I just read an article on him, he was released and returned home. It all depends on how he feels when he gets out there. Doesn’t sound like it will be anymore than a few more days.
None of those kids are going anywhere.
Didn’t Mel Hall just get arrested for rape?
Do you quitters see what a rebuilding job will bring??? The Mel Hall early 90′s Yankees.
Trust me. NO ONE WANTS THAT.
Make the playoffs? I wouldn’t be living and dying with every game if I thought they were dead.
I hope they make it just to shove it in the face of the naysayers at this point.
Later, have to go watch the Sox lose. I’ll be in Baltimore Wednesday to bring the Bombers Good Luck. Toodles Astoria.
So far the following believe the yanks will make it to the playoffs or have a chance to make it to the playoffs:
BBFan
Jeff NJ
Kathy
Jennifer
TimH
Marvin Gardens
Rufus
Chris NY
MelHall27
Astoria
Eddie
Who else thinks we will make the playoffs?
Don’t be a fair weather fan later when the next winning steak starts!
so do we root for Seattle or Boston?
I would root for Seattle, as I do not beleive they are a real contender for WC.
Can we all think rationally for one second.
This is Cashmans organization now. His one MO has to been to stockpile pitching prospects and attempt to get younger, sleeker and more flexible.
If you think there is any chance he trades any guy of value for players like Buehlre and Tex, you are out of your mind. Especially players entering walk yrs.
Why would he trade any bullet he has when there is Johan Santana entering his walk yr next yr? Willis. Cabrera.
Wouldn’t a Clippard, Kennedy, someone else package for Santana be nicer this off season? And maybe Cano and a pitcher for Cabrera?
And he is targeting pitchers with high K rates. So they make a run at Zambrano.
A legit 25 yr old with ace stuff. Not someone like Zito or Buehlre. Solid pitchers but average stiff wise.
Cashman thinks long term. He won’t blow this team up because there are no replacements in Scranton or even in Trenton. So he won’t be moving any position player.
And he won’t move any top arm because hey wouldn’t Joba in the pen come Sept be better than David Weathers?
Wouldn’t Kennedy pitching 6 innings be better than Mark Redman?
Now they may not make the playoffs this yr but maybe one step back is worth it for 4 steps forward.
Timmy I’m glad we hugged it out. Have fun in Bodymore and I hope your passion brings us a much needed sweep.
I’m rooting for Seattle because I just cannot root for Boston.
BB Fan,
Gun to my head?
They make the playoffs.
I got no faith in Eric Wedge. He mays Grady Little look like Billy Martin.
I’ll personally gut Cashman if he trades Joba or Kennedy or Hughes. I make this promise to all of ya’s.
have some faith in Cashman.
His in season moves have usually been golden. Now his off season leaves something to be desired especially pitching and backup catching. But in season hes good.
He’ll get us a hitter to play 1b quick.
My worst nightmare?
Waking up to ESPN and seeing Hughes for Texiera and Joba for Buehlre.
Worst nightmare. Almost equaling seeing Hughes walk off the mound mid no hitter.
“Chris NY
June 25th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I’d like to dead and buried in August before I consider calling it a day on the 2007 season. Can we see what kind of heart this bunch has before we call it DOA?”
This wasn’t me, but I can’t exactly disagree with whomever is impersonating me though. Except I’d say dead and buried in September, not August.
We have a ton of games left to go with those central teams and unfortunate to say as it is we play to the level of our competition.
So far the following believe the yanks will make it to the playoffs or have a chance to make it to the playoffs:
BBFan
Jeff NJ
Kathy
Jennifer
TimH
Marvin Gardens
Rufus
Chris NY
MelHall27
Astoria
Eddie
Roxy
Asst Manager
Who else thinks we will make the playoffs?
Don’t be a fair weather fan later when the next winning steak starts!
Don’t feel pressured. Vote only if you sincerely believe in Yanks still making to the playoffs inspite of all this adversity. You do not vote for it does not mean you are not a devoted yankee fan!
Is there only one Chris that lives in NY?
Should I put Chris Upper East Side to be safe?
These Yanks have got to start pounding on the bad teams.
It starts tomorrow.
People need to stop giving up on Robbie Cano. So easily forgetting he was the 2nd best 2nd baseman in ALL of baseball last year, his second year in the bigs. He’s a critical part of this team’s future, don’t let this year’s struggles make you think he’s mediocre. He didn’t have a “Shane Spencer September,” he’s been here producing two very solid years before this year and has shown to be himself at times this year, though far less than we’d like.
What is the deal with Giambi? Will he ever play again? We could really use his bat in that lineup right now.
lol, sure… that’s why I added the “NY” to my Chris…… there was another one already posting under “Chris” at the time.
Look Cashman is doing the right (and really only) thing by getting the team younger, however, if the team doesn’t improve this year, there is a good chance Cashman will not be the GM next year. If he goes, the rebuilding might go with him.
In other words, Cashman needs to make a move to make the team competitive for this year in order to both save his job and arguably the long term competitiveness of the organization.
He’s smart and he knows this, expect two trades to help the team this year. He’ll protect the very top tier prospects (Hughes, Joba, Tabata), all else are up for grabs to help the 2007 team.
Cano has a bad weekend and the trade him stuff starts. It’s sketchy.
We are talking about an all star 2B. A guy who absolutely rakes. Lefty. And has proven he can play in NY and thrive. Plus, hes under team control and cheap.
Can we not blame the 24 yr old who bats 7th for losing a few games?
I wouldn’t mind seeing Cano go if they got a Miguel Cabrera or Willis or someone like that in return. Not for some stiff. Only for someone young, cheap, and an all star.
But I don’t want to see Cano traded just because he has a down yr as the league adjusts to him. You don’t give up on talent.
Roxy, it is strange we never hear any updates on Giambi’s injury or rehab. I don’t recall a word that I’ve heard on the injury since he went on the DL. The other stuff, of course we’ve heard about…. but nothing on the injury.
I think we need a shutdown game tomorrow from our ace. That would cure a lot of ill feelings.
Lets face it.
Does it set up any better for us SP wise?
I would consider trading Cano under only one condition. We should get an equally good young right handed bat to balance our lineup. Right now we are too lefy leaning and it is not helping.
I don’t trut Willis coming the the AL. A serious talent, of course, but he seems like a wild card and his price will be high, if they ever make him available.
I haven’t even heard boo about when hes going to tampa for rehab or what exactly is the deal with how long hes out for. Its like he disappears because of this steroid garbage. Ummm Jason. We need you in the lineup.
This team is in desperate need of a right handed bat who can DH and play 1b.
Willis scares me in the AL but I wouldn’t mind having him on the hill every five days. Now by scare I mean I wouldnt give up any top guy for him. Like Hughes.
It’s time for Cashmoney to get creative and get something in here to spark this club.
I would not be surprised if Shelly Duncan is given a chance by the time Baltimore series starts.
Im in. They make the playoffs. The numbers say they should be much better, and usually these things have a way of evening out. Wild Card it is.
Eddie, I agree, Cashman is on the clock now. If ever we needed him to make a move to spark the team, it is now.
So far the following believe the yanks will make it to the playoffs or have a chance to make it to the playoffs:
BBFan
Jeff NJ
Kathy
Jennifer
TimH
Marvin Gardens
Rufus
Chris NY
Chris Upper East
MelHall27
Astoria
Eddie
Roxy
Asst Manager
Mo
Who else thinks we will make the playoffs?
Don’t be a fair weather fan later when the next winning steak starts!
Don’t feel pressured. Vote only if you sincerely believe in Yanks still making to the playoffs inspite of all this adversity. You do not vote for it does not mean you are not a devoted yankee fan!
I am in the group that says they make the playoffs
Boston troll I did not mention Moose’s salary in my comparison to Tavarez because it was not part of the discussion… So Boston troll Tavarez is better then a 38 yr old Moose, right.. You are even a bigger moron then I thought and that is saying much…
I agree, Eddie. I’d take him as a middle of the rotation guy, but wouldn’t let go of Cano for him.
Playoffs as of this day at this hour I believe they will make the playoffs. My eyes are on the Wild Card this year. I need to see some more consistency these days in order for me to begint o think they can make up the deficit in AL East.
I believe they’ll make the playoffs. I always vote for the best story and that would make a good one.
So far the following believe the yanks will make it to the playoffs or have a chance to make it to the playoffs:
BBFan
Jeff NJ
Kathy
Jennifer
TimH
Marvin Gardens
Rufus
Chris NY
Chris Upper East
MelHall27
Astoria
Eddie
Roxy
Asst Manager
Mo
Pocono Chris
Gayle
Who else thinks we will make the playoffs?
Don’t be a fair weather fan later when the next winning steak starts!
Don’t feel pressured. Vote only if you sincerely believe in Yanks still making to the playoffs inspite of all this adversity. You do not vote for it does not mean you are not a devoted yankee fan!
This is the last update for today!
Good to know that there are still many believers in this team.
BBFan, you’re doing a good thing, however, you should balance it and get a list of Yankee fans who do not believe they will make the playoffs. Yankee fans only, no trolls. Should be interesting.
not only will they make they make the playoffs, they are going to win the AL east…
mark me down
i belive the yanks will win the wild card because we r a really good second half team and will make a run i also think we need to make an unixpeted trade to wake this team up
don’t post too often, mostly a reader for updates and thoughts, but i believe the yanks will make the post season and i won’t count the tigers to win the division just yet at the end of last year they couldnt beat kansas city one game to win the division, that changed the postseason for us completely (not saying we wouldnt have still lost in the first round) but now we’ll never know, unless they get bullpen help no game is ever safe with todd jones as your closer
Although the Yankees right now have some problems, I can’t in my heart of hearts believe that they’ll lay down and die without a fight. So, I do still think they have a chance for the wild card.
Good night, all.
The worst possible scenario is that the Yankees barely miss the playoffs – I would rather have them be hopelessy out by the trade deadline so they can become sellers.
If they fall just short it’s possible they will have sold a few prospects for short-term help.
With that being said, I think they take the wild card.
So BBFAN, regarding your list…
PUT ME DOWN!!!
If the Yankees don’t take 2/3 from Baltimore with these pitching matchups against baltimore, they will not make the playoffs.
If they do, I will have hope they will make a run.
I’m not being a fairweather fan, it’s just common sense. With Pettite, Wang, and Clemens on the mound if they can’t win this series I don’t see them having “it” this year…
“We are talking about an all star 2B. A guy who absolutely rakes.”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the way Cano swings at balls in the dirt, he looks like he should be raking my leaves.
And anybody who thinks the Yanks will make the playoffs should be banned from this board for sheer idiocy if they turn out to be wrong (and they will). The opposite should hold true, also. If they do make the postseason, then the naysayers like myself should be banned. One group of people will be proven to be totally clueless.
One thing is for certain…there is no hint of the playoffs if the roster remains as constructed.
BBFan, mark me down. The yankees will make the playoffs.
Its just a matter of time before we go on a tear…and remain on it till we bring home #27.
Yes playoffs.
Cleveland will fade. Wild Card will be there for the taking. Ehhhh 92-94 wins should do it.
Add me to the list BBFan.
I also have faith in Cashman’s vision and his ability to get us some help this year while not blowing up our farm system for the future. Besides, what everyone forgets to realize or doesn’t seem to mention is that $$ and the willingness to spend it can be a very powerful chip in negotiations.
Yo, check out this dude’s site: http://theyankeesrepublic.blogspot.com
Great article on the Yanks. I don’t know if I agree with everything. But the boy can flat-out write.
He made me feel a whole lot better ’bout the season after reading it. I might not have to use performancing enhancing drugs myself wit the misses wtonight. She be grateful, yo.
Peace, out
Ron
I am not a believer…you can’t make the playoffs every year
I totally believe they will win the wildcard, but only if some minor changes are made.
If nothing changes, then they will have a tough fight.
Of course, changes will be made as they are every year in July.
Tex in pinstipes would be okay.
I have heard more about the Yanks going after Carlos Pena from the Devil Rays. Henn for Pena in a straight up swap. Tampa Bay needs pitching so Henn would be good for them. Pena is having a great year. OPS over 1, which is great. Yanks wouldn’t have to give up much for him either and that is good for everyone. But he is a lefty and that could be a issue.
Interestingly enough, he was part of the Yanks farm system and they let him go cause they didn’t see him amounting to much. This is why hiring good scouts is very important. Their scouting on him was totally off. 17hr 44 RBIs .296svg .391obp. He would be a nice spark, leading off, in case Damon goes on the DL.
Cashman won’t trade away the farm or pitching studs unless it’s for Santana and it would be worth it.
Cano seems good if you look at his avg, but going on actual runs scored cause of him, he falls down a lot in the stats.
Sabermetrics is a good measure of the actual worth of a player. Going by sabermetrics, he drops about 40 spots in worth. Cano is expendable and would bring a lot in return.
Yankees don’t like guys who party and Jeter once got scolded by Steinbrenner for being out at clubs every night.
I don’t see Cano getting traded, but it wouldn’t be the worst thing if he did. Who replaces him would be the only issue.
We have competant relievers in the minors. I don’t know why Cashman isn’t calling them up and asking Torre to use them. It’s frustrating. Other teams call up farmhands who havent been down there too long and the excel up in the bigs. Yankees need to stop treating them like glass and give them a shot.
Sadly, I don’t see us making the playoffs without Cash making some changes on this roster.
If he gets a 1b, a reliever who can throw strikes and improves the bench with speed and athleticism, we stand a chance. I haven’t given up on the season, I’ve given up on Abreu, Cano, Damon, Farnsworth, Mussina.
I just don’t think we’re going to survive the inconsistency of Damon, Abreu, Cano, Matsui to win enough games. Jeter and Arod can only do so much. They need guys on base to drive in. They need guys who are making productive outs. They need someone to help carry the load some nights like Posada has done.
The 4 I mentioned above are not doing that with any level of consistency.
Cano can’t draw a walk and swings at the first pitch no matter what.
Abreu is all messed up in the head this season and hasn’t found his handle on being the player we all know he is.
Matsui looks sullen and disinterested and I think he might not be back from the wrist injury last season.
Damon is enjoying his paid disability with a grin.
Those are 4 huge cogs in the offense, not to mention we lost Giambi who like him or not, put up big offensive numbers.
That’s 5 guys we can’t count on right now.
I love Matsui, but I think there is something really wrong with him. He’s not the same player right now. I hope he can get it back.
The other guys, I could take or leave. I don’t think Cano is anything near the future of this team. I think he does have big league-itis as Jayson Stark has said.
We need to make deals and get some of the dead weight out of the clubhouse.
Out of all the guys, Cano has the most trade value. You can quote me all the stats from Dontrelle this season and I’ll still say that you put that guy on the NY stage and he will thrive. He has it in him. He wants to win and he plays with joy.
I don’t know if the Marlins would move him for Cano, but hopefully Cash has found out.
You go get Willis and add him to this roster and watch this team turn around.
Not to mention next years rotation could possibly set up as Wang, Willis, Hughes, Pettite (if he comes back) and maybe Zambrano who Cash has to go all in on. Make Mussina a long man/6th starter and maybe he’ll retire if we’re lucky.
The only guy over 30 in that rotation is Pettite who I still think has it and will have it for as long as he wants to pitch.
With the young guns on the way, the last season in Yankee stadium would bring a championship with that rotation.
If Cano can bring back Willis, make the deal now. Maybe we can add something to the offer and pull back Uggla. We’ll find a steady 2b somewhere and until then, I’ll take Cairo at 2b if we can put Willis in the rotation.
I called for Buehrle in the begining of the year but not now. Now we should try to sell our bums like Meyers and Farnsworth and see what we can get for them. If we’re able to get young guys via trade such as Zambrano, Willis or Oswalt the trade would be worth it but not older pitchers like Buehrle. If we could turn a few guys into a Mark Teixeira thats would be a great addition. Bottom like is anyone we bring in has to have youth on their side and we have to be able to resign them. We shouldnt be looking to just make trades to ruine our farm system agian. If we have to part with a lot to make a major improvement like bringing in Teixeira then fine but any move we make for a player has to help us beyong this season otherwise we need to staay put and bring up some younger guys to get them time in the show.
Why do people keep complaining about Matsui?
He missed 2 weeks on the DL people and he’s still averaging 115 RBI’s over a season with a 280 AVG and 20+ HR.
Those 46 RBIs he has now are more than Ortiz or Manny.
Please stop it.
Yeah, I don’t get this whining about Matsui. He always looked like that. He never looks excited.
He hits and does what he has been doing since we got him.
If you don’t hit a HR every time up, people will revolt.
Don’t worry. The season will be fine. SJ44 is best friends with A-Rod.
You’re damn right this team is making the playoffs, and anyone quitting now is a lilly-livered nancy who doesn’t have the stomach for a bare-knuckled pennant race brawl.
Sure we’ve played like a dog’s dinner for 3 months now, but don’t lose sight of what we have: four first ballot hall of famers (3 of whom are at the top of their games, 1 of whom (Clemens) is getting his feet under him), the Cy Young runner-up from last year, a ballsy lockdown lefty in Pettitte who’s always a horse down the stretch, the best catcher in the sport, the 2nd best 2nd baseman in the game who always catches fire in the 2nd half, two solid pros in Matsui and Damon, a young, improving centerfielder who plays with passion, and two decent power set-up guys in Proctor and Bruney. To me that’s a solid collection that’s been underperforming, not a middle of the road squad.
We need a bat, a first baseman and a legit back of the bullpen guy. I’d offer Colorado Kennedy, Horne and Farnsworth for Helton, half his salary, and Fuentes. If they think they’re contenders and won’t bite, I’d target Otsuka and Jermaine Dye (who I think will flourish with a change of scenery) at a cheaper premium.
Don’t forget, we won the division by 10 games last year and essentially traded R. Johnson, Jaret Wright, Aaron Gueil and the crappy Arod, for Pettite, Clemens, Matsui and the killer Arod. Sure, eventually our playoff streak has to end, but the Cleveland friggin’ Indians are not gonna be the team to do it.
You had peeps here saying bad things about Jeter. It’s what happens when you’re going thru a rut.
I think Cashman will plug the holes. Not with stars like Helton or Tex but with low cost, solid players. And he’ll hold onto the great prospects he has down on the farm.
I’ve watched some bad baseball (last week) and some great baseball ( the first 2 weeks of June).
We’re more of the beginning of June team to me.
I say playoffs.
Matsui had one bad at bat. The bases loaded K on saturday.
I’ll take my chances with Hideki in LF.
BBfan,
I believe we make it to the playoffs but I’d rather wait a little bit untill the GM’s make their moves… I’d say there’s no possible great move to be done by Cashman, but he usually surprises me in the positive way so…
In the other hand, if the A’s were capable to work a deal to put a pair of good hitters in their clubhouse I’d be forced to say they are my guess to make it to the playoffs via WC or even contenders against LA.
BBFan add me to Yankees making the playoffs
thanks
1 thing I am amazed by is people make statements such as if we only win 1 of 3 here or 2 of 3 this weekend it is over or we will make the playoffs etc. Come on really no game is more important then another game… Look at Sf they just won 3 in a row, or Toronto with all those injuries and an early 9 game losing streak, they are 2 above 500%..
Baseball is a long a strange season unless you are the 98 Yanks or the mariners of 2000….
you can go ahead and add my name to the list of people who don’t think the yankees will make the playoffs. hell, you can START that list with my name, and i would’ve said the same thing during the winning streak – in fact, i WAS saying the same thing on feinsand’s blog during the winning streak.
you can also put my name at the top of the list of people who think the yankees will win the world series within the next 5 years, 10 at the absolute max. but not this near. not a chance.
also, there are other kaseys posting here now? when did that happen? you’ll know me by my undying pessimism and lack of capitalization.
The Yankees can still make the playoffs. Cash just needs to make some small moves to improve the team. As far as Buerhle goes, I would not mind having him in pinstripes but we ain’t giving up top tier prospects for him. He may not want to re-sign with the Yankees at the end of the year.
The best thing the Yankees can do is concentrate on getting AROD signed. Find a centerfielder in the off season. Move Damon to first and hope he gives you a season. Hang on to those pitching prospects. Next year Hughes will be the stud. Chamberlain will pitch a half a season or even the whole season. Tabata will be one season closer.Buerle is not the pitcher he used to be. The yankees record on free agent pitchers is not that good anyway.
Enjoy your family and children this summer. It will be nice to rediscover the real world anyway.
Even though I went on record to say that I think the Yankees will still get to the wildcard, as I’m thinking about this informal poll, I’m a little uncomfortable. Even if someone on this date does not believe the Yankees have a chance to get in the playoffs, how does that make them a fair-weather fan if they then revel in a Yankees’ revival that gets the team in? I would think that anyone who honestly thinks the Yankees don’t have it this season will be very happy if they can be proven wrong at the end of the season.
Plus, I think that anyone who is taking the time to look in on this (or other) blogs, read the paper, keep an interest in the Yankees is a fan. You don’t have to watch every inning of every game, and you don’t have to be 100% rah-rah to be a “true” fan. I know that there are people who are only fans when a World Championship comes around. I don’t think the people here fall into that category, or they wouldn’t be here.
I just don’t think categorizing people in one camp or the other (playoff vs. non-playoff) really accomplishes anything but an “us against you” atmosphere. It certainly has no bearing on what the final standings will be at the end of the season. I sure wish it did – if the power of positive thinking could catapult the Yankees to the top of the heap, that would be awesome.
I realize that this poll is probably more in the spirit of fun and comraderie, so if I’m taking this, on reflection, a little too seriously, please know that I have this little rebel streak that comes out every once in a while (my mother no longer sends me politically-charged e-mails!).
The Yankees won’t make the playoffs. Just too many problems with both pitching and offense.
But it amazes when, out of so many real problems with the team (no Giambi, injured Damon, underperforming Cano, Abreu, Mussina, and Farnsworth, no bench, bad managing), people say Matsui is a reason we’re losing. Matsui is playing pretty much the way he always does.
Good job on this thread keeping it positive. Let’s remember this when all the negative nancies come out during the next time we are down in a game. Probably tonight.
Only during losses do the negative nancies and the pessmists come out. Lets get some wins here to keep the trolls at bay. Because it is agonizing reading what they have to say when things go badly.
Baseball is a long, long season. 3 games in June don’t make a season. They’ll make the playoffs.
Happy Birthday to the Captain today! A win would be a great bday gift from him huh?
This team has way too many problems to contend. They’re not getting quality starts everytime out and the pen is a disaster.
The interleague play is over. Now we can concentrate on American League. The reason Yanks stuggled at the NL parks is there is no DH & the bench is important. These factors affected the Yanks. Our Starting Pitching is dominant and so is our Bullpen. Defense is awesome except the last game. The yanks have to go on another 10 game winning streak like they did 2 weeks ago. The Baltimore series will be the start. Baltimore is the worst team in the AL. They are struggling mightily and their only good offensive player Tajeda is on the DL. The yanks will sweep Orioles. And by the way the Baltmore bullpen sucks. They can’t even compare to the Yanks superior bullpen.
To Ron Benbow:
Thank you for the link to the Yankee Republic blog. As a long time Yankee fan (from days of Horace Clark and Lindy McDaniel), it is very good reading.
Two other thoughts:
One Run Games: The Yankees record in one run games is a disturbing 4-12. Curious on people’s thoughts on whom to blame for that – Torre, bullpen, Guidry?
Post-Season: If the Yankees should fall short and not make the playoffs, it will end one of the great playoff runs of our lifetime. 12 straight years of playoffs, culminating in 4 WS titles, 6 pennants, and 10 division wins. To any Red Sox or Met trolls (and I have seen many recently), I would not trade any of that for a first place lead in June. Never. I’ll gladly take one -two years of rebuilding after having enjoyed that best 12 years of baseball that anyone could have – perfects games, multiple walk-off homeruns (Boone, Jeter), etc.
Just had to get that off my chest after seeing the trolls on the NYY forum on MLB. Sorry for the rant.
I still think the yanks will make the plaoffs. Wild Card
Is there a site I can go to to see an updated list of the draft picks that signed. I know Pete did an entry on that a while back but i just wanted to know if there is a site you can go to. Want to know if Peavy signed yet, among others.
Peavey, and some of the other over the slot guys (Brackman, Carpenter, Suttle, Romaine and Angelini) have not yet signed.
My pleasure, yo. It buoyed my spirits yesterday so I thought y’all should give it a read.
In times like these we need faith.
Stoke the flame: Yankees Forever.
Keeping it real,
Ron
I still believe the Yanks have a shot at winning the AL East, although the WC is a more feasible option. I think it comes down to whoever wins the AL Central, the Indians or Tigers. I think the Yankees match up well with either of those teams, although the Tigers have a slight edge in pitching. There is still plenty of time left in the season. I think when the Yanks face adversity, they thrive on it, the rest of the season should be interesting.
WHy not give Shelly Duncan a few AB’s? I know he is probably a career AAAA but he is dominating down there, has power, has great genes, and what do we have to lose??
Give him 12 to 20 AB’s now that we have the Dh back, what do they have to lose if he plays well or decent they have another chip!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I we’ll take the wild card.
I’m not sure why everyone is counting cleveland out for winning the central so soon. i’d rather them take the central and play them in the first round. i think our postseason history against them is better than anyone else in the current picture.
also, looking forward to my cleveland trip on 8/11 – 8/12 to see the yanks this year. the whole family is going.
insert ‘think’ as 2nd word above. Also, not ruling out the east.
You cannot count out winning the East as Boston is due for some bad luck. Things even out in this game. They’ve had one injury so far. Schilling.
Why won’t they give some at bats to Shelly Duncan? It is obvious that Torre will not play Bascik (sp?) so why have a blackhole there on the bench?
Why won’t Cashman get another bat here? The lineup needs a spark like Abreu gave them last yr. Its just that they need it a little earlier this yr.
Torre isn’t a fan of the unknowns, whether it’s Basak or Shelly, neither will play much. (not that I agree) Plus, another 40 man roster move would be needed.
I like the positive outlook of most of the people here. Really inspiring even if the Yanks play ahs not been since that Met game on Sunday night. I don’t see how you can count out the Yanks for the WC. That’s absurd.
Doreen,
I apprecaite your note.
The reason I started the poll was to bring some positive attitude to the discussion. If you look at the previous thread, it was unbeleivable how negative it was. I just wanted to change the focus and I beleive I succeeded in my attempt. I think that there are many here who are rational but decide not to participate when the discussion is very negative. I think it gave many of them the opportunity to speak thier mind positively!
As I stated in my last post yesterday night, one can be a dedicated and passionate yankee fan and still decide they do not believe that Yanks will make it to the playoffs. It is perfactly alright.
It looks like many others posted saying that Yanks will make the payoffs. I will update the list tonight.
how about this we trade a few B prospects to the braves for salty and we move him two 1st base and when jorge needs a day off put salty there and let cairo play 1st wat do u guys think about that
Add me to the list that says the Yanks make the playoffs this year.
There is no reason to have Basak on the roster if Torre won’t even use him to pinch hit for a pitcher in an extra inning game. That spot can go to someone who could actually contribute. Maybe a long man. Maybe someone that can actually hit. That would be novel.
I have great news – - -
ESPN’s Steve Phillips (you know, the guy who said that A-Rod would never be able to be productive in NY) just proclaimed the Yankees dead!
This is clearly the turning point of the year. We are a lock for #27 now. I am glad that getting beaten by the Yanks in the World Series when he was a GM hasn’t affected Phillips’ objectivity (sarcasm).
Why would the Braves trade Salty for B level prospects? Hes one of the minors premier catching prospects. If they really want to move him they can actually get something of value for him.
Just adding my two cents. I think the Yanks will make the playoffs. I just can’t bring myself to think otherwise, but I think it’s going to be a LONG season to get there.
I don’t believe you can be a real Yankee fan and declare the Yankees dead when they are a handful of games behind in the WC race. That’s not being a real fan. That’s being Steve Phillips.
I love how ESPN has experts like Phillips. A failed GM. Experts like Kruk. A guy who never worked hard or kept in shape. Experts like Dusty Baker who coasted off the great Bonds forever.
What happend to ESPN?
The Yankees won’t make the playoffs or even make a run without some reinforcements. Their bench is terrible. The bullpen is terrible. The injuries to Damon and Giambi have been killer.
> The yanks have to go on another 10 game winning streak like they did 2 weeks ago. The Baltimore series will be the start.
A 10 game winning streak? Did you forget we play Oakland, Minnesota and *LA* after Baltimore?? We’ll be lucky if we’re not 3-10 over the next 13 games…
10 game winning streak… Oh my god, I’m dyin’… Right now the odds are that we *maybe* take 1 out of 3 from Baltimore…
10 game winning streak… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……
Living relatively nearby, I can confirm that the O’s are a certifiable basket case. Their bullpen makes ours look rock solid, Gibbons and Markakis are awful and Tejada is done.
They do have some potentially good young starters, but that is about it. With the pitchers we are sending out there we should take the series and hopefully sweep
If anyone is going to the games, it is going to be a blast furnace/sauna – I recommend aggressive barley and hops therapy.
I believe they’ll get the Wild Card.
Trade Mussina to PHI. They need pitching, Mussina is from PA, so he’ll probly waive the no-trade. Not sure what we’ll get back, but if Moose has a couple more decent outings, he’ll have value.
However some moves have to be made by cashman:
1) DFA Myers
2) Trade Farnsworth: There’s enough teams who need bullpen help, for atleast 1 of them to take a chance on him.Don’t expect much in return, however.
3) Place Damon on the DL, in 15 days he’ll be back to 100%, then play him in LF, and let Matsui DH.
4) Call up Britton
5) Call up Henn
6) Get Texiera(Bruney, Clippard, and a prospect we get for Mussina)Tex gets their future Closer, future #3 starter, and another prospect probly a positional player)
7) Get Zambrano(No one will give up an elete prospect for a rental, seeing as Z will almost certainly become a FA. so what about Alan Horne?)
7) Get Jermey Affledt(for Brett Smith?)
9) Get Josh Bard(for Chase wright?)
Lineup:
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Abreu
3B A-Rod
1B Tex
DH Matsui
-C Posada
2B Cano
CF Cabrera
Bench
OF Thompson
IF Cairo
IF Phillips
-C Bard
Rotation:
Wang
Pettite
Clemens
Zambrano
Igawa(Hughes when ready)
Bullpen:
Rivera
Vizcaino(as 8th inning man)
Proctor
Affledt
Britton
Henn
Edwar Rameriz/Long-man/Igawa when Hughes returns
BBFan,
I am going to say the Yankees don’t make the playoffs. I certainly hope I am wrong but I just don’t see it. Although, stranger things have happened after the all star break….
Sorry, no playoffs this year.However, they may make a late season push(for some job security)and,if done with a somewhat infusion of youth,will breath hope back into Yankee fans this off season.
Two players who must not be here next year are Mike Mussina,and Cano.Aaro Rowand for Mussina may be doable,and Mr.Attitude Cano and prospects for a good young arm would be nice.
A nice ten game winning streak would be just what the Doctor ordered before the all star break here.
Now Vizcaino has gone from the DFA club to the 8th inning guy. This is why GM’s and managers and scouts don’t listen to fans.
Thank God.
Would Texeira be nice? Sure. But for anything other than B level prospects, I’d wait for his free agency when you get him for free.
Why would they trade Mussina? They need pitching. Who’s going to take his place? Tim Redding? You don’t trade quality major league starters just because you’re mad hes not been lights out.
I blame all of you fans for the team’s downfall. You don’t pray for the team enough.
“Maybe I missed this somewhere else on the site, but can you talk about the trade rumors about Mark Buehrle and why the Yankees don’t seem to be a part of them.”
Because SP is not the problem here, by far.
If prayer is the answer – can anyone tell me who the patron saint is that is responsible for cramping calves, plantar fascia, oblique strains, split fingernails, contactophobia (for the relievers) and 3-hole-hitter-bunting syndrome?
My prediction:
Yanks will go 40-122 this season and miss the playoffs.
SP is the least of this teams problems right now. They just need all the guys they got to pitch how they are capable of pitching. A Buehlre would be welcome but for what he’ll cost, no chance. i’d rather take my chances with Ian Kennedy come July if need be.
Can someone please explain to me how Steve Phillips is an expert? What exactly has he done to get that title? Only run a team into the ground. I’m so sick of hearing him, and his so called expert opionions.
“10 game winning streak… Oh my god, I’m dyin’… Right now the odds are that we maybe take 1 out of 3 from Baltimore…”
Yea OK, Orioles without Tejada… haha
Harrison don’t go to Vegas anytime soon. For your own good.
The O’s without Tejada??
That’s a Triple A team.
As far as I’m concerned, the Yankees’ problems are: Farnsworth, first base, strong bat off bench. Simple: get Teixiera and Gagne/Otsuka and when Damon comes off the DL, stick Matsui in DH (like someone said earlier) and all problems are solved.
The feelings will sway here if they take three from the Orioles. It will also end the negative nancy’s who come to try to build a burial plot for the 2007 season.
A desperate team playing a rival with their three best pitchers lined up. I do like our chances here.
There is NO CHANCE that Cashman trades for Tex before July 31.
A hes on the DL at the moment
B hes a FA after next yr
C he wont trade pitching prospects for a 1b
D hes repped by Boras
Cashman will fill that 1b/DH hole with low cost.
who gets fired after the yanks lose 2 of 3 in baltimore ?
yanks are not an elite team this year . angels , red sox and tigers are .
“who gets fired after the yanks lose 2 of 3 in baltimore ?
yanks are not an elite team this year . angels , red sox and tigers are .”
Red Sox arent elite, sorry. Angels, yea, but not the red sox.
@ Asst Manager
I think Texas is going to try to find some value for Texiera before the deadline. They are going to get nothing for him if they keep him until next year.
Boras must be salivating to have an NYC showcase for Texiera in his walk year rather than play in the black hole in Arlington. The GM down there just got an extension so hopefully he will think long-term.
I don’t know what it will take to pry him loose and I have no desire to let Joba or Phil go (I am not as familiar with Kennedy or Horne) but I think it is in the interest of both the Yanks and Boras to make a deal.
“The feelings will sway here if they take three from the Orioles. It will also end the negative nancy’s who come to try to build a burial plot for the 2007 season. ”
the feelings would be different here yesterday and this morning if we won our 1 of 3 against SF on Sunday instead of Friday…
“point – counterpoint, with steve phillips”:http://thesportshernia.typepad.....onigh.html
There is only one team that should be all over Tex right now. That’s Anaheim. It’s terrible that Stoneman won’t grab a power bat to put behind Vlad. Tex would be a perfect fit for them. And they have the Grade A prospects to do it.
The Angels aren’t elite because their lineup is full of automatic outs.
Russell:
> > 10 game winning streak… Oh my god, I’m dyin’…
> > Right now the odds are that we maybe take 1 out of 3 from Baltimore…
>
> Yea OK, Orioles without Tejada… haha
I take it you completely missed out on our *WHOMPING* of the Mighty San Francisco Giants this past weekend… A team whose record and play was probably worse than Baltimore’s before we met up with them.
I like the “haha”, though. It’s good that you can maintain a bit of swagger even as our team is swirling down the crapper with all the other turds… It’s *pathetic*, but it’s funny and shows you’re an optimist.
“A desperate team playing a rival with their three best pitchers lined up. I do like our chances here.”
That sounds like a perfect description of Baltimore
The only description of Baltimore is a decades worth of losing. That’s not a desperate team. That’s a terribly run team with no heart. A little different than the team from the Bronx. But keep that talk coming YankSox troll
Can somebody on a message board actually propose a realistic trade idea and not something from a video game, where if you put together 3-4 ham and eggers “with cash” you can have any player you want….
Point in case….Get Texiera(Bruney, Clippard, and a prospect we get for Mussina)Tex gets their future Closer, future #3 starter, and another prospect probly a positional player)
Bruney is a guy the Yankees took off the scrap heap from ARZ….I like Bruney, but it is not like he has not had some problems with us, and if the Rangers are looking to move Gagne, why do they want Bruney?
Clippard is basically projected as a #4 starter, who did not fare too well when he was up…again, I like Clipp but he is not going to net you a Texeira
Prospects for Moose? He looks done, makes a lot of money, and is signed through next season….plus, his 2006 numbers, which look decent, were a function of a strong 1st half and rather pedestrian 2nd half….said differently, despite his 2006 numbers, Moose has not been good in about 1 year and that was more or less a temporary resurgence…he has been trending down for years…you are not going to get much, if anything for him….he would be a salary dump ….though I agree, I’d love to dump him and give Horne or Clipp a shot….he’s a waste of space and money
Trolls like Girardi are even worse. Disrespecting a great Yankee like that.
Fan trade proposals are laughable. At least some here are good for a few chuckles.
“when Damon comes off the DL”
I guess Damon has to go on DL if he has to come off the DL. As far as know is is not DLed yet as Torre wants Damon to have the record for longest career without going on the DL even though not going on DL hurts the team BAD really really bad.
> Trolls like Girardi are even worse. Disrespecting a great Yankee like that
“Troll”? Don’t be an ass. I live and die with this team.
As for the moniker, it’s precisely because Girardi *was* and *is* a “great Yankee” — and manager — that I keep campaigning for him.
You guys can talk about Teixeira, et al, until you’re blue in the face. The players aren’t the biggest problem with this team. They haven’t been for some time.
Wang, Pettite & Clemens r pitching for the yanks against a Balitomore offense playing without Tajeda. And their bullpen is the worst ever. I am saying Yanks will sweep Orioles.
Tommy J what exactly do you give to this board?
All I was saying was that post could be said from a Yankees fan or a Orioles fan and would have no more reasoning behind a ‘sweep’
The O’s pitcher tonight is very good and will give this Yankees struggling offense a lot of trouble.
Too bad the Yanks have to face Guthrie(who’s been ridiculously good this season), Bedard(nasty lefthander) and Cabrera(as good as anyone when he’s on, which isn’t most of the time). I’d say the only game where the Yanks have a decided edge in the matchups is Thursday’s game and that could change if Cabrera pitches like he did last Sept. vs the Yanks
Some fans want him fired
I do not agree, but I suspect he may want to leave on his own after the season.
http://www.firejoetorre.net/AdvancedPoll/joe.php
Garbage website you got there.
Mike Sciosca inferior? The guy is one of the best managers in baseball.
looks like the conversaton on this board today is high brow all the way. reminds me when I was 10 and the yanks and mets fans would yelll at eachother.
we should do a psychological study on why trolls enjoy posting on other teams sites.. I assume we will find out they have deep psychological problems and need attention..
why not send Basak down and give shelly a couple of games at dh… philips can back up most of the infield and Duncan has power, give it a shot especially if Damon is 1/2 of himself….
Oh and by the way,
“The players aren’t the biggest problem with this team. They haven’t been for some time.”
200 Million payroll, 150 Million lineup which can’t score consistently if their lives were on the line. Lousy Pen and Bench.
Yes, but the player are not the biggest problem. LOL
Torre deserves his lumps but don’t be so blind. Light a candle once in awhile.
Stuart,
I have been pushing Shelly for 2 months but most here say that he strikes out too much and can’t hit Major league pitching.
If I was the Yankees general manager, here’s what I’d do on my first day on the job:
1. Let go of Nieves, Phillps, Basak, Thompson, Mientkiewicz, and Cairo for $2.25M plus whatever the first four guys I just listed make cleared. I basically get rid of the entire bench and put in calls to the agents for Jose Molina (backup catcher), Ryan Klesko (backup 1B), Chris Woodward (backup 2B, 3B, SS), and Ricky Ledee (backup OF), among other veterans. I ideally sign each guy to a year and a mil each.
2. Buy out then let go of Abreu for $13M cleared ($15M he’s making this year – $2M buyout for 2009).
3. Call Giambi’s agent to tell him I want to buy out Giambi for $21M (Giambi’s 2008 salary). If they accept this, I clear $5M (Giambi’s 2009 buyout) and offer Dmitri Young this (10X Young’s 2007 salary). If some team signs Giambi for a year and $5M, he still makes $26M for 2008 and everyone’s happy: the Yankees get rid of him, some team has him on the cheap, and he still makes his $26M for ’08. Go back to Oakland and clear your mind and start afresh there, Jason.
4. Send an email to all teams I can trade Damon to offering him and $16M of his $26M remaining through 2009 ($8M for 2008, $8M for 2009) to any team who’d take him for 2 years @ only $5M/yr. If a team bites, that’s another $10M cleared.
5. Offer Posada 2 years x $12M/yr. = $24M with a mutual $12M option for 2010….Mo a year and $15M with a $6M player’s option for 2009 so he could make $21M across 2 years, an average of his 2007 salary per ($10.5M), and Villone another year and $2M (lefty relievers are scarce).
6. Call Scott Boras to tell him that the Yankees are not extending A-Rod. Boras will probably advise A-Rod to opt out and A-Rod will probably do so for $48M cleared including $16M cleared for 2008. My view is A-Rod’s under contract through 2010 at $27M/yr., still the highest actual annual salary of any player (nevermind Clemens’s pro-rated $28M for ’07). He got the biggest contract in M.L.B. history if not pro-sports history. If all that, being a Yankee and in the biggest media market in the world, playing in the new Yankee Stadium in ’09, and possibly having Ichiro batting leadoff with Jeter protecting him isn’t enough, he can go fuck himself and try to win the World Series with some other team which he better win with. He better pray the Yanks don’t win the World Series in 2008, 2009, or 2010, any two years or all three when he could’ve been a Yankee and he better pray he doesn’t face them in the World Series and lose or he is the all-time greedy pig-goat-loser.
Also I can’t set a precedent where the highest paid player in M.L.B. can get an extension cuz then every guy out there will want one.
7. Contact the agents for Ichiro Suzuki (RF and leadoff), Andruw Jones (CF and cleanup), and Mike Lowell (3B and the #8 slot).
8. Tell Matsui he will be the full-time DH.
9. Contact D.C. to show interest in reacquiring Nick Johnson from D.C. for 1B. If he’s healthy, Young is the DH, Matsui remains in LF, and Cabrera is put on the trading block.
10. Urge Pettitte to exercise his $16M player’s option for 2008.
11. Offer Curt Schilling a year and $13M (his 2007 salary). Yeah he’s a jerk and a loopy guy, but I don’t see Boston re-signing him and money talks, bullshit walks i.e. the bullshit being his about how he’d never be a Yankee.
12. Tell Clemens I may need him again for after the All-Star Break.
13. Put Mussina on notice unbeknownst to him.
14. Let go of Vizcaino and Myers for $4.25M cleared.
15. Put Proctor on the block for a reliever of like quality and Farnsworth on the block for a new reliever.
16. Trade Igawa and $4M so he costs whoever takes him only
$3M/yr. for 4 years = $12M. We clear $12M.
Bottom line is by getting rid of Giambi, Damon, Proctor, Farnsworth, Abreu, Igawa, and the entire bench plus the distraction and me-attitude of A-Rod, my team is a World Series contender again with better times to come cuz with Schilling, Pettitte, and Mussina off the books after 2008, I have plenty of money for Johann Santana, a free agent after ’08. If Ian Kennedy or Joba Chamberlain can make my 2009 rotation out of spring training, that rotation could be Santana/ Wang/ Hughes/ Kennedy or Chamberlain (ideally both)/ whoever I sign or promote from within.
I find it very unusual that with the state of this team, we haven’t heard one trade rumor, one firing rumor, nothing to suggest changes are being considered, I find it very odd. Very un-Yankeelike.
go yanks
The yanks will make the playoffs.
This team is much better than its record and they will prove it with another run before the ASB. For the second half of the season, they have the schedule in their favor…so, no worries.
Great idea putting this list together, BBFan. I was traveling during the winning streak, which is why I was only reading and not commenting. Lately I almost wanted to stop reading because of all the “boston-like” hysteria that has gripped the comments section.
Can’t wait for the next winning streak to bring some sunshine back to this comments section (and to temper the madness a little bit).
“I have been pushing Shelly for 2 months but most here say that he strikes out too much and can’t hit Major league pitching.”
And this is different from some of what we have how? I wish they’d at least give him a look, for a week or two he could possibly give us more than we’re getting from Damon and inject some youthful energy.
The problem is that Joe never heard of him, he wont play him, he only plays “his guys”
Shelly would have been nice at some of the NL parks…. cough… saturday..cough..cough……
saucy, You sound very sick and hurt, would you like to play for the Yankees?!
SJ44 is right on the money. Speaking the truth is not trolling. The stats he gave you all tell the story with this team. This team doesn’t hit consistently enough to win consistently. 5 runs in 3 games in Colorado? How many runners left on base in San Francisco? If Matsui even puts the bat on the ball in the 11th Saturday, they likely win that game, but he can’t. Yes, the injury to Giambi is huge, because it leaves the team without a legitimate power hitter behind ARod. But what about Abreu, Cano and Damon? Where have they been all year? Abreu has looked lost 90 percent of the season so far. Miguel Cairo playing first base? Come on! I’m so sick of hearing about Damon’s nagging injuries. Go on the dl and heal up or quit whining and play, and start producing something for your paycheck. Trading our top young pitching talent for a Mark Buerhle would be folly. It doesn’t help the two most glaring need areas on this team: a legitimate bat (or two) and bullpen help.
To all those who think the schedule will be the Yanks’ savior in the second half: If you can’t even win a series against the woeful Giants, then it doesn’t matter who you play.
The Yanks have the TALENT to beat any schedule. It’s not the competition that matters with this team, it’s their own play! When Abreu, Damon, Cano, Mussina and the bullpen pull their heads out of their ***** or get replaced by players who can do their jobs, then they’re a contender.
What’s our record vs. the Orioles so far this year? I think it’s sub .500. Enough said.
One question: How does Brian Cashman keep his job? He counts on Pavano and Mussina (gives him an extension???), ships Sheffield over Abreu, signs Igawa for $50 million, figures Mentkiewicz/Phelps will be just fine at first base? Good God…
David in Seattle.. Maybe Shelly Duncan would stink I have no idea but 12 to 20 AB’s would not be unreasonable.
at a minimum he is a HR threat when he is not striking out….
I am not asking them to sit arod to play duncan, maybe sit cairo or an injured damon…..
Edwar Ramirez is just continuing on in AAA with no call up either and Britton got about 4 innings this yr for the big club. I can understand why they are not given a chance, the yanks pen is elite with consistent pitchers like krazy kyle, villone, vizciano, henn, myers, and whomever.. If we traded or DFA’d any of those guys we might play sub 500 baseball……………………………………..I especially like when our pen comes in and gives us a crisp 1 2 3 inning, actually I think as a team it has happened like 10 times this yr…..
maybe the yanks can trade for Julio franco he is 48 and has a bum knee recently, they hate playing the young unproven guys so maybe we can get franco and his older brother to play for the yanks…
the yanks are 1 and 2 against the Orioles so far this yr. not exactly a large sample….
Edwar Ramirez can be a huge player/trading chip if the Yanks can promote the guy! I Farnsworth gives up on an average night more runs in his one inning than Edwar has given up this whole year!!
the big 4 or 5 lefty hitters are killing us along with the walking pen…
giambi, damon, cano, abreu, and to a lesser extent matsui. they are definitley underachieving a ton and or hurt a bunch…those 5 guys are the culprits offensively.
jeter, arod, posada, 1B (nothing was expected), and melky (2nd yr.) have been fine or we expected minimal returns..
the 5 lefty hitters are the offensive problem and the pens lack of control has been deadly…the starting rotation with Hughes replacing Igawa is good and should be sufficient.. we need 2 of the lefty batters to be themselves and the offense will be fine……………if the lefty batters just play to there norms the yanks offensively would be more consistent…
Reason why cash keeps his job:
Under his watch the Yanks have rebuilt a barren farm system. By next year we will be seeing the benefits with Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Horne and Marquez all pitching in AAA or the majors. Who was questioning the Mike Mussina move? The guy was awesome last year. Abreu was great for the Yanks last year. Cash never should have relied on Pavano and Igawa is looking like a mistake but IMO he’s done more good than bad.
Marc, I’m not sure who could be saying Duncan can’t hit major league pitching since he’s never had an opportunity (other than 3 ST ABs). The only real knocks on the guy are that he has never hit for average, or been very patient at the plate, and he has been slow to adapt at every level of the minor leagues. His success at AAA could definitely be partially explained by his age – at 27 he is OLD for a AAA prospect. But the only way to really find out is to give him a try, and frankly, especially if they use him at DH, there is virtually no way he can be worse than what they are trotting out there right now.
Here’s a trade proposal to ponder:
Robby Cano, Carl Farsworth, Brent Smith and cash for Tadahito Iguchi and Paul Konerko.
Hate to trade Robby….
Greg you are a little unfair on Cashman.. you forgot to mention he got rid of rj and jaret how where those moves?
I like the SHeff exit? In the long run it will payoff for the yanks.. Yea I remember you were complaining last yr. when abreu dominated the sox especially the 5 game sweep. that;s right I remember that and you did not like they got rid of the stud lefty matt smith and cj henry in that deal…
also Greg I forgot you wanted them to not sign Moose for 2 yrs. because you though either zito at 7 yrs, meche at 5, or lilly at 5 were better deals.. as bad as moose looks we are lucky we did not make those other moves…
I love the clowns that post here and have absolutely no clue…THE YANKS HAVE THERE MOST TALENTED GROUP OF MINOR LEAUGERS IN YRS. THE PLACE WAS A WASTE LAND 2 YRS AGO.. they will be reapping players from the farm for yrs. and we will no longer have to sign the mercenary overpriced old guys that the yanks have done for the last 7 yrs…….
they will sign a aaron rowand at 1/2 the price or less that tory hunter will get or sign a good middle reliever for 4 mill a yr. and let these other drunken sailors go for the big names……
dontfirecash,
Moose was not “awesome” last year…he was awesome in the first half. See the splits below:
1st half: 10-3, 122 innings, 108 Ks, .225 BA, 3.24 ERA
2nd half: 5-4, 75 innings, 64 Ks, .268 BA, 3.96
A tale of 2 seaons
Moose had a 4.59 ERA in ’04 with 164 innings, and a 4.41 ERA in ’05 with 179 innings, serviceable, but not stellar.
He really has not had a good season since ’03 (3.40 ERA, 214 innings)
I stand by my assessment.
drive 4 -5 no on that trade. we get older and Iguchi looks bad this yr….NO NO NO.. Why would we trade so much for those 2, Iguchi is not that good and a FA at end of the yr……
Stuart, you have me mixed up with another Greg. I never posted here before yesterday, and certainly didn’t advocate signing Zito, Meche or Lilly.
As for Sheff, I’m not talking about the long run with him. But I didn’t like getting rid of him and, with Giambi out for the year most likely, it’s hurting us. How is he doing for Detroit, by the way, Stuart?
And if you want to defend Abreu’s play, go right ahead. I won’t stop you…
JUst a thought. As bad as Iguchi is, his obp is a lot better than Robby. Konerko is a good player.
I’m not in love with the idea of trading Cano, but when you look at our roster, there’s not too many players other than him that will draw interest.
How can I defend Abreus play it is indefensable. the good news is he is gone at the end of the yr. and the yanks save $15 mill.
sheff is 38 and got 3 yrs.. I will bet you anything you want the tigers will be bitching about him any minute now…
the yanks could live without giambi, if damon or cano, or matsui, or abreu put up the #’s they should…
and with all abreu’s issues he is still better for the yanks then sheff is because he is a much better fielder with alot more speed..
you also might like the sheff trade if and I know it is a big if but that’s what happens with prospects if Sanchez is what the Yanks and others think he can be… He would be a poor mans ZUmaya and that ain’t bad….
again we all are geniuses after the fact……
Stuart,
My sarcasm was more directed towards those who put Duncan down, I’d love to see him and Edwar for a week or two. If Edward is only one fourth as good against Major leaugers, he’d still have a better era than Farns or Viz.
Off to work, have fun guys.
“Red Sox arent elite, sorry. Angels, yea, but not the red sox.”
well, sox are in top 5 in most team offensive and pitching categories… theyve got hitters that hit for power, average, strong startinf pitching and strong back of the bullpen, middle relief issuspect like any team… topped off with best record in beseball.
how is it possible that everyone on this blog and others like it have heard about shelly duncan, edwar ramierez, tyler clippard (before he came up), etc and the MANAGER of the yankees has NO idea. its astounding
Fire Torre! Fire Cashman! DFA half the team and trade the other half…
I can’t wait for a winning streak to end the madness already!
THIS team can win any series against any team in the country on any given day. They have been painful to watch at times, I agree, but that is mostly because they are so much better than the way they have been playing. It is disheartening and frustrating…but let’s not forget that they have the talent to blow anyone out of the water (although, admittedly, lately they have just been blowing!)
I doubt the Tigers will be complaining about Sheff this year. By year 3, yeah, if he fades by then. I will give Cashman this: I don’t think anyone could have foreseen Abreu turning into the piece of **** he is so far this season. I just didn’t like giving Sheffield up. He’s obviously still one of the premier power hitters in the game, and the Yanks might have been able to get him for 2 years (counting this one) instead of 3. I think it was too early to give up on the idea of moving him to first base.
As for those who keep saying this team is way better than the way they are playing, blah blah blah, yes, they are, if they had Giambi hitting fifth and a real first baseman and a fourth starter and more than one decent set-up guy, and a but it’s HALFWAY through the season! This is much more than just one little bad streak by now. In fact, the anomaly is the two-week stretch where they actually played to their potential.
Yes, there’s still plenty of time left in the season, but they are a third place, sub-.500 team halfway through and this team has some significant holes beyond even the underperformers like Damon, Abreu and Cano.
Don’tfireCash: I agree Cashman has restored some sense to the organization in restocking (and keeping) young pitchers. That said, imo, his foolish belief that he could count on Pavano and Mussina this year, and Igawa, is a big reason they are having the kind of season they are. And Mussina was not “awesome” last year, hasn’t been for a while. And I wasn’t referring to the original signing of Mussina, but the 2-year extension…
Mussina was counted on to be a solid #3. Cashman didn’t bring him back because he thought he was an ace. Mussina at 2 years is better than Zito at 7.
Pretty interesting article from New York magazine:
“Joe [Torre] Meets the Head Case [Arod]”
http://nymag.com/guides/summer/2007/33974/
Who said it was a decision between Mussina at 2 years and Zito at 7???? Are there no other options? This has nothing to do with Zito. This is not even for the same timeframe. Zito was a free agent LAST offseason. Mussina was under contract for this year. This is for the next two years we’re talking about. If you’re going to wait until the end of the season to sign RIVERA, fercryinoutloud, to see if he’s still viable, why jump at Mussina and give him an extension? On the basis of what? His second half last year? Is Mussina a “solid #3″? I think we all know the answer to that one.