Game 79: Athletics at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 01, 2007 
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Here is the lineup:
YANKEES
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Cano 2B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui LF
Abreu RF
Phillips 1B
Cabrera CF
Andy Pettitte LHP (4-5, 3.24)
Pregame chatter: RHP Edwar Ramirez, a journeyman reliever who put up great numbers for Trenton and Scranton this season, was called up. Chris Basak was optioned out. … Jeff Karstens was moved to the 60-day DL to make room for Ramirez on the 40-man roster. … Yankees will be facing Dan Haren (9-2, 1.91), whose pretty much the Cy Young favorite at this point, at least until Johan Santana does his great second-half run thing.
UPDATE, 12:30 p.m.: Here’s a link about Edwar Ramirez. He’s tall and skinny, supposedly 26 and has struck out 80 in 43.1 innings this season. Pretty sick. He was in the Angels system for two years and got released. They signed him again in 2005 out of independent ball then released him again. He played independent ball last year before the Yankees signed him in July. He was great for Tampa (4-1, 1.17, 30.2, 47 K) in 2006.
The Yankees are the fourth organization (counting the indy teams) he has played for since 2005. I’m guessing that before today Ron Guidry and Joe Torre couldn’t have picked this guy out of the lineup, that’s how under the radar he was. But the 2007 season has been full of such surprises.
Check out that photo. If he’s 26 then I’m claiming 26, too.
UPDATE, 1:50 p.m.: Pettitte questioned whether people cared as much as he did in Baltimore then went out and got pounded today. Bad timing. I would have to think anything is possible if they go on to lose today. Cashman insulated himself by not having a strong assistant GM, so it’s hard to see him just getting out and out fired. But whatever power he had is gone now. This is the worst crisis for this team in more than a decade. What a waste of money Clemens becomes now.
UPDATE, 2:41 p.m.: The Yankees have a shot at this game if (and this is a big if) the bullpen can hold Oakland down. Villone is gonna run out of gas soon. Who does Torre try then? Vizcaino and Ramirez have to get a shot before Farnsworth and Sparky Proctor.
Meanwhile, word out of Seattle is that Seattle manager Mike Hargrove has resigned. Nobody is sure why at this point. He released a statement saying he lost his passion for managing. Certainly weird because of the success Seattle is having.
Meanwhile, I was listening to the game in the radio as I was driving around. John Sterling kept saying he would try and get Dan Haren’s pitch count after the inning. Or you can look at the big scoreboard in center field. Update: Update: The pitch count scoreboard is not working. My misake, Mr. Sterling.
this edwar ramirez call up and basak demotion was well overdue.
The move is much welcomed but they should have DFA’ wither Villone or Myers or prefereble both..
There bench is now; nieves, thompson, and Cairo…3 guys…
Villone and Myers have no value and no long term help to the team…none…Bring up Britton also, please.
Ramirez is a journeymna? He is 25.. I guess Heath Bell and Cla Meredith were journeyman also, I will take effective jouneyman anyday….
Bring up Duncan also….
They need to make multiple internal moves….
get rid of dead wieght………
Its not like Joe will use Edwar anyway
Yeah, I mean we all know Edwar is going to rot in the ‘pen now.
I’m not feelin’ the lineup. Why in the blue hell is Cano hitting third???????????????????????????? They should have Jeter hitting third with Damon and Cabrera hitting hitting in front of him so that can protect A-Rod. Goodness gracious.
Stuart, why so sensitive? Ramirez IS a journeyman. Released twice, played in independent league, etc. Don’t take journeyman as a ‘perjorative’ description, it’s what his experience has been.
You know E-ROC, anybody but Abreu hitting 3rd is fine with me. I just cannot watch him play anymore, pisses me off too much. I was not thrilled with getting him last year and for 2 months I looked dumb. Unfortunately, I turned out to be right about him.
A minor league journeyman, at that.
But when you put up ridiculous numbers like that in AAA, you know you’ve got at least something going on.
He is a journeyman. I don’t see how that’s in dispute.
Let’s not put too much pressure on the kid. I hope like crazy he does a great job.
But, to assign success to him, before he has even thrown a pitch in a major league game, is premature.
If my math is correct, they now have 13 pitchers and 3 reserves. I guess my question is, “why”? Just get rid of either Villone or Myers. I don’t get how you reduce your bench even further when you are not hitting.
Either way, I hope Edwar does the job. If he doesn’t, I suspect those who hate the “go younger” concept will use it as a reason to begin trading off younger players for more shot veterans.
I’ve always assumed that a batter gets “protection” from the guy batting behind him, not in front of him.
As long as Torre is around Players like Ramirez, Britton, Henn and Phillips(or Phelps) will always sit and watch ineffective “proven” guys link Farns, Villone, Cairo, Mint, and Viscaino stink the place up.
6’3″ and 153 pounds? Sounds like the Twins reliever of the early 1970s..Tom “The Blade” Hall. And all these accomplishments were in a league where Andy Phillips was 9th in slugging percentage? As Pete says, stranger things have happened.
Matthew – Anybody other than Cano, who loves every pitch he sees and Abooboo would be fine. I’d still put Jeter there.
ANSWER: The 2007 New York Yankees.
QUESTION: Name the biggest bust in the history of team sports.
good article on edwar ramirez.
http://www.thetimes-tribune.co.....#038;rfi=6
DC Yank – When A-Rod was scorching, he saw a lot of pitches because of Abreu working the count. Cano isn’t going to work the count. He’s going to go up there swinging. Jeter would help A-Rod more than Cano and Abreu right now.
There’s a new DNA test that can determine a person’s age to within approximately plus/minus 6 months.
Since Haren will blow away the Yanks away. If the A’s can score some runs in a rout, we will have a chance to see Edwar Ramirez in today’s game—-finally!!! Yahoo!!!!!!
the yankees are definitely carrying way too many pitchers. there are a few obvious reasons to carry so many pitchers…(1) starters aren’t giving you length and (2) relievers are spent.
#1, though, hasn’t really been our problem as of late, and #2 is inapplicable, since regardless of whether or not the relievers are spent, joe uses the same 3 guys every single day. i’d like to see guys like ramirez get a shot, but we all know it’s not going to happen. (and somewhat related, even though we only carry 3 bench players, they never see the game either; i’d love to see KT get some starts over abreu).
Maybe it forces Cano to be more selective? Just a chance? I wish Abreu was sitting altogether, though.
It’s a new day and a new month. A win today is a series win. Think positive, just for today.
Edwar Ramirez has been widely discussed in many circles. If you think he has been “under the radar”, then it would seem as if you do not possess an in depth knowledge of the Yankees organization. Knowing about guys like Ramirez would seem to be a requirement of a team’s beat writer, but I guess the standards are lower than I thought.
E-ROC I’m not saying that batting Cano in front of A-Rod is a good thing, but batting Abreu in front of A-Rod does not give A-Rod “protection” no matter how many pitches Abreu takes. “Protection” in a lineup is given by the guy batting behind you, so they’ll pitch to you and give you some pitches to hit. I’ve watched baseball a long time and have never heard of guys batting in front of you as “protection”. Sure it’s great to have guys who take pitches and have speed batting in front of you, but that’s not what has been described as “protection” over the years.
Doreen – I would certaily hope that happens. The talent is there; he just needs to find the strike zone.
Will,
Pete was referring to Joe Not knowing anyone in the system!
Ramirez looks like Julio Franco’s older brother…
This way Cano will see a lot more fastballs ahead of A-Rod, maybe it will get him on track & get some RBI’s for my fantasy team.
I just heard Posada’s interview from yesterday for the first time. I read quotes this morning and they all quoted him as saying, “I think everyone knows WHAT I mean.” I heard, “I think everyone knows WHO I mean.” Did I hear incorrectly, or did anyone else hear that?
Having seen Edwar a few times, think Oil Can Boyd as far as his physique.
…Under the radar. Funny. Start reading some blogs, some of us fans have been writing and talking about this guy for a while.
As I wrote on the previous blog, the beat writers cover the main team and spend 100% of their time on them, and thus no nothing about what is going on in the farm.
THIS IS THE LINEUP I WANTED AT THE START OF THE SEASON. well, except for matsui 5th and posada 6th. Anyway CANO WILL GET PITCHES TO HIT IN THE 3-hole
**know** … sorry, typing too fast.
edwar was released and under the radar because he had injury problems, possibly TJ.
Earlier this year he started a fight without hitting a batter or even yelling…. A better complained about his changeups after he struck out. http://thunderreport.blogspot......piper.html
Now that the blogs goal of freeing Edwar has been accomplished, I say we start a new campaign to get Al Horne to AAA and Shelly Duncan to the majors.
C’mon Pete… Greg Oden is only 18 so this guy is easily 26
By the way, El Duque just turned 35 today… so, I think your math is a little off.
That play makes me crazy , the ONLY reason why Jeter has to jump is he doesnt have the quickness, great ss make that play flat footed, the alkazeera brainwashing continues.
damnit abreu
Ok, I know that most here do not care for Sterling and Waldman but it is pretty much all I have for Yankee games.
But I have to jump on the wagon and say I am frankly tire of Waldman trying to justify why a 16 million dollar player sucks, is lazy, non-chalant, no effort, etc. The error by Abreau is unacceptable. He needs to be benched.
Why is it necessary for Yankee broadcasters to justify the simple failures of mulit million dollar players who are SUPPOSE to be better than this. I just don’t get it.
What do you all think that the market for Bob Abreu is? I find myself debating this all the time. Part of me thinks that some contender may want to trade for Abreu at the deadline, or may even be willing to deal for him in the offseason if the Yanks exercise is option a la Sheff. I mean he isn’t this bad right? I think the the Yanks could get something fairly decent for him, but then again I don’t really know.
What a pathetic bench: Nieves, Phillips, and Thompson.
I shudder at the thought of Posada or Matsui getting hurt.
If Posada gets hurt, Nieves is the everyday catcher and Raul Chaves, the guy in AAA who sucks so bad he can’t even take Nieves’s job, would be the backup. If Matsui gets hurt, Thompson is the LF.
I could just hear Suzyn Waldman with that accent to John Sterling before they call a game: Deah Gawd Jawn, what are the Yankees gonna do? NIEVES/ THAWMPSON?
Sterling: I know Suzyn, I know…Well, at least they’ll get some work in (I could see him throwing out that line during games).
Ok, going to bat…
Quick Poll… Will Cano look at more than 3 pitches in the 3 spot today?
I am guessing NO.
Per AB or during the entire game Colorado Yank?
MikeNY… Nice comeback!!!!
I will be nice to Cano and say per at bat.
that’s funny ringzzzzzzzzzzzzz I always thought that great ss made that play……..didn’t realize they had to do it a certain way. Jeter isn’t perfect but he did what he needed to do to get the out and that’s all that matters.
I predict the Yankees lose 1-0 with both Pettitte and Haren pitching the complete game
I smell a strikeout.
Mike NYY, I think it will be 5-0… Pettitte will not last a complete game because of the defense behind him. He will be pulled in the 7th inning where Proctor, Farnsworth, Bruney, will come in with a runner at 1st and proceed to give up a combination of walks and singles. At which point the score will go to 5-0 A’s.
The Yankees will curl up in the fetal position, lose the game and then give standard post game answers such as “We just need to get it going.” “We are just not hitting, but you have to give it to Haren”. “It is still early, but we need to put together some wins”.
Ok… just got back from vomiting… my own entry made me vomit…. just like this season
wow a bloop hit and an infield single…
Bad Luck.
Hey Pete –
“Check out that photo. If he’s 26 than I’m claiming 26, too.” You meant to say “then” not “than.”
Grammer counts when you’re a journalist.
there is no market for bobby abreu. a defensively lazy outfielder with an abominable OPS of 696, earning 16 million, comes in no demand to anybody. The bright side is that he is a Type A Free Agent, which means if the yankees don’t exercise his option, they’ll get 2 draft picks, one in the first round, one in the supplemental round.
“I predict the Yankees lose 1-0 with both Pettitte and Haren pitching the complete game”
Pettitte will go 6 innings max. Haren will throw a complete game shutout, and this game is going to be completed in the blink of an eye (unlees the A’s prolong the game by really opening up on Pettitte). Potentially, I think Haren could have a no-hitter (or maybe only give up one or two hits). That’s my prediction…
Wow, this could easily be 2 outs, no runs scored and runners on first and second.
So does grammar.
Haren will pitch a no-hitter.
Andy must think he’s at a nudie bar, giving out singles left and right.
Come on Pettite!!! We need this win.
Get a friggin’ out.
4 straight singles… this is going to be a long after noon
Make that more like 3-4 innings for Andy. We might well see Edwar today, given how many guys Joe is going to have to use in relief…
We are going to win this game today. I don’t care how we do it. Something will happen that will enable us to win. No no-hitter by Haren. Sorry.
Abreu is an absolutely terrible fielder
Can’t stand to sit here through another embarassing loss… I’m going out to enjoy the sunshine!!!
Get out of the inning Pettite!!
Its like a Kick-Ball game where everyone tries to kick it to the kid that can’t field (Everybody, kick it to RF)
Ouch
“This way Cano will see a lot more fastballs ahead of A-Rod, maybe it will get him on track & get some RBI’s for my fantasy team.”
Until Cano stops wild swinging they will not throw fastballs in the strike zone to Cano. It does not matter who bats behind.
Stuart and SJ44 are right, there’s no reason to keep both Villone and Myers in the pen. Ideally, we should lose both to make room for Ramirez and Britton.
Pettitte has been leaving everything up in the zone. Cust’s shot shouldn’t come as a shock.
were done another loss
My fantasy teams thank Andy Pettite for giving Mr. Haren a victory today.
Well, this makes my Sunday easy… 6-0 A’s… Game over.
So much for the Wild Card.
well it looks like we will see Edwar Ramirez today, the question is will it be in the 2nd or 3rd inning ?
We’ll see Villone before Ramirez. Villone is Mr. Garbage Time.
Luck is not on our side.
I’d would like to thank Andy Pettite for freeing up the next couple of hours early for me. I think I’ll go for a swim. I wonder if we could fit the entire Yankees team into Ted Kennedy’s car. They need to go for a ride.
If this same team still exists after the all star break, coaches included, it will prove just how low the Yankees organization has sunk.
This is just unacceptable!
ouch
Not a whole lot of luck here, just bad pitching
God, I hate Michael Kay. He criticizes Igawa so much (on the day he is not even pitching!) and then he can’t say anything when Pettitte is throwing worse. They both made the same mistake: one pitch away from the end of an inning, and missed location badly. Igawa is a fifth starter and did an ok job; we are expecting much more from Pettitte. His points are always misplaced.
Still going to win this one?
Way too nice out to be sitting inside watching these quitters.
They don’t care, why should we waste anymore of our time with them?
This team is toast. If the entire coaching staff and Torre are not fired after this weekend, then Steinbrenner doesn’t care enough for ME to bother with this sack of losers. Player have to play, but the coaches and manager are there to do something, and they have done nothing but let this bunch of losers play lackadasical flat baseball.
1 2/3 for andy – down 8-0.
What a bunch of Scutaros.
$200,000,000 well spent. Kudos, Brian!
oh well, theres always next year
I like Villone. Well, Farns and certainly Myers should be gone. That’s two spots in the bullpen right there. Ramirez and Britton should be taking those spots. Sean Henn will be waiting in the wings.
Did you hear that?
That was the last tiny bit of hope for this season crashing to the ground.
SELL SELL SELL!!!!!!!
“Not a whole lot of luck here, just bad pitching”
really? The inning started with a bloop and an infield hit. Then they fell apart.
Villone is in. Shut them down Villone!!!!
As bad as this game is I wont blame Andy he has pitched his rear off this season with no support he was due to have a bad one. Unfortunately, today was the day.
So where does Andy burn all of his stuff today?
“really? The inning started with a bloop and an infield hit. Then they fell apart.”
Wow, bad luck those two blasts
this is atrocious
Game, over.
Season, over.
Trade as many of these guys as possible.
Blow this crap of a team up and start over.
Way to keep us in it Andy, but if we are honest, this game was over when he gave up the first run. I’m sorry but the mindset of this team right now is the worst I’ve ever seen it, and poor Torre has no answers. SELL SELL SELL. It was a good run. Sigh…
hey atleast now I will have some Mehdi time and I can work on important things like world peace and making fun of people.
How ironic – Andy, who criticized others for “nor caring as much as I do”, got creamed. I guess “caring” isnt’t enough, you’ve got to execute.
Reality sinks in.
Both Pettitte and Posada moaned to the media that some people do not care on the team.
If they really think some do not, why they could not talk to them directly instead moaning to the media without any names?
Given how Pettitte is pitching today and Posada is the catcher, can people moan to media they do not care? We know that would be absolutely unfair.
With due respect to Jeter, this team lacks leadership. Joe does not help either.
We need changes soon……
Forget today. 8-0, ouch.
I’d rather see Thompson than some others. He never gets a chance. Only 41 abs in his career, but 12 hits (.293) and six of those 12 are for extra bases.
A star, no? A serviceable player? Maybe, but you don’t know what you have since he isn’t used. Use him, and if he does well, you have either a) a decent player or b) someone you could use as tradebait.
But you’ll never find out what you have in him if you don’t play him.
Later…gotta go.
Just got to work and got the game. A little under the weather today but got to make money to pay for school and my ride.
Can it be my cold medication or is the score really 8-0 in the 2nd inning? Got to be my drugs.
The thing that is really killer here is that the A’s aren’t even a good team offensively. Like not even a little bit. What the hell.
i would trade pettitte. he has value. time to think about next year.
I don’t mind the term journeyman my point is many guys with that label ahve produced bigtime..
that is it…
Abreu needs to be traded for ANYTHING we can get. I’m tired of looking at his LAZY style of play.
This is not a “blow up the team” game – yet. Pettitte has been a rock all season. He had a terrible game. It happens. No one can really think that Pettitte was a bad addition to the team.
The question is whether we can make any sort of comeback.
BBFan makes a good point, the whole “caring” angle is nonsense. Farnsworth and Proctor clearly “care” because they get very upset when they perform badly. Is that a good thing? Or are they not “caring” the right way?
Abreu needs to be traded for ANYTHING we can get. I’m tired of looking at his LAZY style of play.
The fans should give him the A-Rod treatment so he waives his NTC
8-1
Offensive outburst – - – Woohoo!
Speaking of next year – what do you guys think the rotation look like?
I hate when Michael Kay starts preaching. No one really cares what he thinks.
Phillips working the count.
Speaking of next year – what do you guys think the rotation look like?
Wang
Hughes
Pettitte
Mussina
Igawa/Rasner/Clippard
8-2 Good job Phillips.
I hate when Michael Kay starts preaching. No one really cares what he thinks
JUst do what I do, mute the TV and listen to some music
For everyone clamoring to sell, exactly who do you think anyone else wants? And if so, who could you get back?
The only guys with any real value:
Posada (NTC/10-5)
Rivera (NTC/10-5)
Pettitte (NTC/Player Option)
Wang
Guys who could be moved but have questionable value:
Arod (FA,NTC)
Cano
Proctor
Villone
Cabrera
Mussina (10-5/NTC)
Guys who are paid to much to take:
Jeter (10-5)
Clemens (NTC?)
Guys no one wants for a stretch run:
Damon (LNTC)
Giambi (NTC)
Farnsworth
Nieves
Cairo
Phillips
Abreu (NTC)
Farnsworth
Igawa
Who on this list could either bring anyone decent back or would you be willing to move?
Cashman built this team. Make him watch them for all 162 games.
they are not trading Pettitte..
Kevin Thompson is not an everyday player in the big leagues, he strikes out a ton…
BBFan and Mike NYY…
On Jeter, he is not the type of leader the team needs. They need a firery in your face – Paul O’neil, Tino Martinez, hell even Sheffield (would not want to meet him in an alley) someone who will basically say pull your head out or I will F you up.
Abreu would wilt if he got the A-Rod treatment. But if he got it, he would be out of here within a week.
Kay and Flaherty provided further evidence that it’s absurd to say that some players don’t care enough. The two noninjured hiters who have declined the most from last season are Abreu and Cano. Both were torrid hitters for us last year. There’s no sign they “stopped caring” this season. They have the same attitude today they had last season.
Lets go Villone. Keep the score where it is.
The Stadium is chanting:
We want Edwar Ramirez!
We want Edwar Ramirez!
We want Edwar Ramirez!
Melky smokes the ball and gets nothing to show for it.
Kay is on his soapbox. you have to listen to it all day…
Completely off topic: Mike Hargrove will resign today. Shocking because they’re winning.
anyone think torre’s comments that michael kay was just talking about (i.e., you have a problem with your family, you don’t tell your neighbors) could be interpreted as defending posada (for not calling anyone out by name) as opposed to criticizing him (for saying anything at all)? i didn’t have such a problem with posada’s comments, and it seems that dopes like kay just want to find something to create scandal about.
“Wang
Hughes
Pettitte
Mussina
Igawa/Rasner/Clippard”
That doesn’t make me feel better about next year either.
Abreu would wilt if he got the A-Rod treatment. But if he got it, he would be out of here within a week.
Can he do any worse? I don’t know how, lets just get him out pof here.
Even if the Yankees manage to score some more runs, it’ll be a miracle if the bullpen can keep the score at 8.
Seattle’s 44-33. That makes no sense.
That doesn’t make me feel better about next year either.
Well Wang and Hughes can both be aces IMO. Pettitte has been one this year. And the 4th and 5th starters are okay for 5th starters which isn’t really saying much.
We could also sign either Carlos Zambrano or Dontrelle Willis as FA’s
Mike NYY, who replaces Abreu? Thompson?
Come on Villone!!
Mike NYY, who replaces Abreu? Thompson?
I`m hoping a healthy Damon can play RF
A-Rod and opt-out.
A lot has been written and discussed about A-Rod opt-out. Let us revisit it. My prediction is as following.
A-Rod is a sensitive guy and cares out his image. Before the opt-out date, Boras will make the following demands.
1. A-Rod should be made a co-captain. Remember what Boras did with Veritek?
2. Extension at $25-30 mil for minimum four years.
3. No trade clause.
4. Guaranty that the manager does not continue to throw him under the bus. If Torre is let go it will not be an issue.
I think Yanks will agree to all these demands and A-Rod will stay. A-Rod recognizes that he is appreciated by the Fans and the management what he is doing this year.
That’s not a bad idea. Then who is our DH, Duncan?
The problem is, we can’t patch one hole without creating another.
Effort isn’t about caring…it’s about preparing, concentrating, working on your weaknesses and hustling. Abreu, and to a lesser extent Cano, has not been giving a full effort all season. Already in this game he bobbled an easy bouncer and made two horrible throws from the outfield. I don’t think he did those things because he doesn’t care, but it does seem as if he is has been distracted.
“i would trade pettitte. he has value. time to think about next year.”
get real with pettitte but yea it is time to think about next year.
This game is done – the Yankees are not going to win – but it will be good for the team. I am thinking any combination of Torre getting replaced, Farnsworth traded, a strong offensive first baseman, would be good. Abreu and cash for Konerko and Dye?
Mike,
I think Abreu can do worse. He is only averaging one misplayed ball per game. What happens when he increases that to 2 or 3, some couted as errors? Wait, he did that today already, with the boot and then throwing home instead of to third…
His plate discipline in horrible. The ONLY way he gets on is by walking. Even getting pitched inside he can’t get hit because he is already heading towards the dugout with his swing.
But I am with you. Trade abreu and get something. There has to be a decent back up catcher you can get for Abreu.
Good job Villone.
“We could also sign either Carlos Zambrano or Dontrelle Willis as FA’s”
They got to sign a legit starter at least. Moose and Pettite will be a year older & who knows – Hughes might not even come close to all the hype.
BBFan
A-Rod is already owed about 85 million for the remaining three years of his contract. The Rangers still pay about 9 million per year of A-Rod’s 28 million each year for those 3 years. That gives the Yankees an advantage over other teams. If they give him something like a 4 year extension for 100 million that adds up to about 180 million for 7 years. I doubt he’ll get a better deal than that anywhere else.
That’s not a bad idea. Then who is our DH, Duncan?
The problem is, we can’t patch one hole without creating another.
Still stuck with Giambi remember
Dodgers need some “Pop”
Abreu + cash & prospect for Matt Kemp?
Luckily they got this lead in the early innings of the game. We can still come back and win. Villone is doing what he is suppose to do and that’s to keep the score where it is.
Will, caring, effort, preparation, whatever you want to call it, we’re talking about the same thing: doing whatever it takes to play as well as you can. If Abreu is slacking off in any way, I’d think we’d know about it. More likely, he doesn’t know why he’s playing so badly and he is desperately trying to figure what’s wrong.
The guy becomes a free agent next season. Why would he dog it this year?
They got to sign a legit starter at least. Moose and Pettite will be a year older & who knows – Hughes might not even come close to all the hype.
I think Hughes is ready. Amother starter would be good though.
Damon double.
I’m no lawyer – but I would love to see how Scott Boras would word the “Manager doesn’t throw A-rod under the bus” clause suggested above.
I agree with the necessity to re-sign A-Rod although it will be a shame to lose the Rangers’ contribution to his salary. When they open the new stadium, the box office generated by A-Rod will make it a great return on investment.
And I have no interest in Zambrano, he’s a headcase/Big Unit type prima donna
Wait a minute – Dontrelle Wilis is not a free agent next year! He’s not eligible until 2009 (or is it 2010?), right?
Also, if the Yanks allow Abreu to “get away” following this season rather than picking up the option, does that mean the Yankees will be compensated with draft picks by any team that ends up signing him?
come on DJ
What’s with Jeter and all the strikeouts lately? He must not care.
Dodgers need some “Pop�
Abreu + cash & prospect for Matt Kemp?
How good is the prospect? A Clippard level pitcher or a Chamberlain level pitcher?
Two strike outs on the day for DJ. Some thing is wrong with him.
Wait a minute – Dontrelle Wilis is not a free agent next year! He’s not eligible until 2009 (or is it 2010?), right
I could be wrong.
Clippard specifically or someone like Chase Wright.
Mike NYY, we’re not “stuck” with Giambi, we’re stuck without him because he’s injured. If we hypothetically dumped Abreu and put Damon in right, we’d have the following options for DH: Thompson, Cairo, Nieves, Phillips, or minor leaguer (Duncan). Horrible, just horrible options.
Giambi’s injury is one of the team’s biggest problems.
“What’s with Jeter and all the strikeouts lately? He must not care.”
Jeter swings because he cares.
How long before Torre burns out Edwar and ruins him? Maybe it was better if he stayed in the minor this year, if he is truely good.
“Cashman insulated himself by having a weak assistant GM” — fire him anyway and put stick michael in there for 5 months until the offseason and hire from outside the organization then.
I didn’t see the play, but is it possible Pettitte hurt himself on that comebacker in the 2nd or otherwise?
First pitch Cano. What a joke.
Clippard specifically or someone like Chase Wright.
I`d definitely do that but I don’t know how realistic that is
I hope DJ isn’t pressing.
Jeter is just gassed…
Hey, 2 at bats by Cano and a total of 5 pitches. Now there is consistency. Keeping pitches per at bat below 3 even as the #3 hitter.
E-ROC, I heard that too about Hargrove. There’s got to be one interesting story behind this one…
I am not convinced that Willis is the guy we want to sign. There is more hype about him. Look at his ERA in NL in a pitcher’s park. He will be a failure wiht Yanks.
With his good stuff, Zambrano is a better choice. He will nicely fit into Clemens salary slot.
E-ROC
He maybe but he also has a bad knee
Mike NYY, we’re not “stuck� with Giambi, we’re stuck without him because he’s injured. If we hypothetically dumped Abreu and put Damon in right, we’d have the following options for DH: Thompson, Cairo, Nieves, Phillips, or minor leaguer (Duncan). Horrible, just horrible options.
Giambi’s injury is one of the team’s biggest problems.
I thought we were talking about next year. Than probably Duncan at DH and Phillips and first for this year.
Let’s go Villone!!!!
I just hope it isn’t the beginning of Jeter’s decline.
2008 Yankees (what I want):
CF Ichiro
DH Damon
SS Jeter
3B A-Rod
LF Matsui
1B Teixiera
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Melky
Starting Lineup
1- Santana
2- Wang
3- Pettitte
4- Moose
5- Hughes
Relief
- Rivera
- Proctor
- Bruney
- Britton
- Vizcaino
- K-Rod (trade Giambi to Angels)
BBFan
Zambrano has posted some pretty bad K/BB’s considering his ERA. I don’t think he’ll be that good in the AL East, it might not be a bad idea to sign neither of them and go for less of a star pitcher.
Physically declining with health is what I was referring to.
Ah I misunderstood. I agree that Duncan at DH, Phillips at first are our best options, but we still won’t make the playoffs that way. We need more players than we can get.
Jeremy,
Again…I’m not saying Abreu is “dogging it”, but he does seem to lose focus, especially when he isn’t hitting well. He has also shown a propensity for not getting good jumps in the OF, shying away from walls, bunting at inopportune times and throwing to the wrong base. By not being able to control these problems and relapsing when his bat goes cold, I think you can certainly question Abreu’s effort. A pro athlete should be able to overcome distractions.
Villone is dealing and earning his spot in the ‘pen.
Mike NYY,
I am with you. I was comapring between Willis and Zambrano and responding to suggestions above.
I think some our guys from the farm will be ready for next year, if not in the beginning, a month or two into the season.
Mike NYY relax. things do not stay still. CF FA’s next yr are; ichiro, rowland, hunter, and others….
why worry about next yr now…
how about worrying about this mess… Giving up before the all star break is idiotic……
you think seattle will continue at this pace? I don’t…..Cleveland I don’t , etc…
Abreu is a FA and there is no friggin chance he will be back next yr. that is $15 mill saved , rowand good not great player would cost about 1/2 of that…
Abreu does seem distracted. The bunting (against Torre’s wishes) is particularly bizarre. I think if anything, he’s trying too hard.
Maybe ARod should put Abreu in touch with a therapist. Seriously.
From the Mariners web site:
SEATTLE — Mike Hargrove resigned Sunday as manager of the Seattle Mariners and was replaced by bench coach John McLaren.
The stunning announcement came prior to the Mariners’ series finale against the Toronto Blue Jays at Safeco Field.
In a prepared statement released by the organization, Hargrove said he was stepping aside because his “passion has begun to fade” and it would not be “fair to myself or the team” to continue.
Making his decision even more surprising was the fact the Mariners won their seventh consecutive game Saturday night and have closed to within four games of the AL West-leading Angels.
Hargrove will manage the team on Sunday and McLaren takes over on a full-time basis Monday night when the team opens a three-game series in Kansas City against the Royal
This means he is not agreeing with the direction that management wants – maybe they are not getting him the right help to take over the division. I thought there was a contract dispute going on.
Posada draws a walk. Come on Godzilla!!!
Russell W. that just isn’t realistic
First of all Texiera won’t be had unless we give up top tier prospects like Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, or Tabata. It isn’t worth it. Santana? How do we get him? He’ll be even harder to get than Texiera. The Twins are getting a new stadium and should be able to resign him when his contract runs out. Giambi for K-Rod is ridiculous. First of all Giambi has a NTC and second of all the Angels GM probably isn’t a drug addict. Nobody wants a 20 million dollar DH with the whole steroid thing. The Angels offense is also doiung fine right now. Maybe we will sign Ichiro that wouldn’t be to insane but the others won’t happen. Why don’t you have Ramirez on the ML roster or Henn?
This game is still worth watching.
Colorado Yank,
Keep on posting man, your comments crack me up so badly amid this mess with the Yanks.
We need more humor on this blog!
Keep it up!
We need to give value to get value back.
The biggest problem with the lineup is that it too lefty heavy and A-Rod is the only legitimate righty threat, followed by Posada who is not that great a threat.
What about trading Cano for a legitimate righty hitter to balance the lineup?
Yankees trying to make a comeback. Nice
We need to trade Farns and Myers for Michael Bourn. Trade Abreu to the White Sox for Dye or Brian Anderson. Chris Britton and Ramirez would take Farns and Myers spots in the pen. Shelley should be called up. I think Villone earned his spot.
GET A DAMN HIT ABREU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After seeing Damon crash to earth this season, I have even less of a wish to see Ichiro in pinstripes. He’s just too darn old for the contract he’ll demand.
“Maybe ARod should put Abreu in touch with a therapist. Seriously.”
Or bring him to a strip club, with to get his mind off of things.
Stuart, This team looks pathetic. Look at how long it took for Cashman to realize calling up a guy from AAA with an ERA below 1.00 while his bullpen blow up on a regular basis. Britton is still in AAA. Torre is an idiot manager. This team can still win but the people in charge look like morons to me. That’s not a good sign
ABREU DID SOMETHING USEFUL!!! A SAC FLY!!!
Teixara is a free agent next year – we’re going to make a hard run at him to try to bring him in at any cost.
Santana? No way, no how, ain’t gonna happen.
Looks like Yankees may still be in it. I think we can come back
PHILLIPS IS KILLIN’!!!!! WE ARE SHOWING SOME HEART AND LIFE!!!
Teixara is a free agent next year – we’re going to make a hard run at him to try to bring him in at any cost.
Santana? No way, no how, ain’t gonna happen.
I`m pretty sure Texiera is a FA after 2008 not 2007. I could be wrong though
KEEP THE LINE MOVING CABRERA!!!
#9, you can’t argue with success.
on the bright side of things, ian kennedy is once again doing very well. 4 innings, no hits, no runs, 2 walks, 7 Ks. if the team keeps plunging further and further away from contention, i hope he gets a September call-up.
Trade for Dye? Have you been following his year? Last year’s homerun totals 10 or so higher than any previous year? Ugh. Trading one player for another, both of whom are on the downside of their careers doesn’t look too appealing to me. Dye hasn’t played in the past 7 or 8 games – and this is not exactly his first stint flirting with the disabled list.
CABRERA!!!!!
Yankees wake up in the 4th inning. Lets bring em home Damon
Texeira is not a free agent until after the 2008 season.
I have to admit, Villone has pitched pretty well today. I pretty much wrote him off as being a terrible pitcher but he’s proving me wrong
We are showing some fight today.
Whether we win or not, it should help for the morale of the team moving forward.
Mike NYY – You’re right about Teixara! My bad…
I did have Brian Anderson as an option too.
Dye is basically a cheaper version of Abreu this season with a worse track record and less of a chance of turning his season around
“#9, you can’t argue with success.”
The whole Yankee team, including Torre, should make a b-line to “Scores” after the game!
Captain in to bring em home
do something cano!!
Wow, the tying run is at the plate. Its Cano so it doesn’t really mater
But still…..
Family trip to scores? Sounds good to me!
Damon may have the fundamentally worst swing I have seen in the major leagues…
Damon may have the fundamentally worst swing I have seen in the major leagues…
Didn’t he just change it recently?
He should change it again
We Win This Game – and it’s the begining of the ‘Turnaround’!
… Posada will get MOST of the credit for putting a CHARGE INTO THE TEAM – and in turn, demand an ADDITIONAL 2 to 3 million more on top of his probable $14,000,000 / 3Year deal for being the irreplaceable commodity. (which isn’t exactly too false)
… if cano delivers now, i can’t wait to hear the cano fans who ‘never gave up on him’
did cano just look at 3 pitches in a row????
The way I see it for next year pitching:
1. Hughes will be a lock
2. Kennedy a very good chance to start the season in the majors
3. Joba a month or two into the season
4. Wang the ace
5&6. Pettitte and Mussina will be holdovers from this year.
I say we take the lead right here
Do the Yankees minor league teams have radio stations? While I was riding up to Rhode Island we got some minor league Red Sox games.
Sorry I mean tie.
Too bad that Pettitte let the game get out of hand in the 2nd… it should have ended with Cust’s 3run Homer.
The way I see it for next year pitching:
1. Hughes will be a lock
2. Kennedy a very good chance to start the season in the majors
3. Joba a month or two into the season
4. Wang the ace
5&6. Pettitte and Mussina will be holdovers from this year.
I wish
So much for the faith in Cano…..
You realize what is going on here right? Andy Pettitte is throwing the offense under the bus now and this is the offense trying to show him that they are worthy of his great pitching. Don’t you see?
Cano as clutch as ever.. at least he made him throw a few pitches..
go to the pen villone pitched 2 and change today and 2 yesterday…
give ramirez a try…….
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh.. and i’ don’t care abotu his numbers .. but Wang is NOT an ace .. great pitcher, but NOT AN ACE!!
the term, ‘ACE’ is thrown around entirely too loose these days.
..an ‘ACE’ has an EXTRA SOMETHING.
..swagger, attitude, badness, fear factor.
Just put in new floors, putting the house back together and the Yankees are within 4 runs… WOW!!!!!! Haren at 87 pitches…May just be one of those days.
Keep it going Villone!!!!
You know what’s sad? How simple it would’ve been to put together a great 2007 Yankees team by promoting from within, buying out guys, cutting bait, and keeping guys to go with no-brainer getting Pettitte then Clemens:
Hughes in the rotation from day one.
Mussina and Wright bought out for $18.5M total cleared.
I didn’t want Mussina’s $17M club option for ’07 picked up or him re-signed for two years let alone one year.
Igawa passed on for $46M saved. If you’re gonna blow $46M,
blow it on Ted Lilly who is at worst a #4 but at least a solid albeit overpaid #5.
Pavano and $17M of his $20M traded so his taker has him for only $3M (2 years @ $1.5M/yr.) and the Yanks clear that. Some team would’ve taken him for that.
Johnson kept. He could always be traded to Arizona during the season only through another team cuz Arizona wouldn’t have the M.L.B. starter the Yanks would require.
April assuming Wang and Karstens still would’ve missed it due to injury in spring training:
Pettitte/ Hughes/ Johnson/ #4 and #5 slots filled between Proctor, Rasner, and some cheap veteran retread signing (no worse than Pettitte/ Mussina/ Pavano/ Igawa/ Rasner w/ Pavano getting hurt after just two starts)
May: Wang/ Pettitte/ Hughes/ Johnson/
Proctor, Rasner, Karstens, or the retread
(lots of options)
June on: Wang/ Pettitte/ Clemens/ Hughes/ Johnson
w/ Proctor, Rasner, Karstens, Clippard, and DeSalvo as plenty of reinforcement to choose from.
Villone is dealin’ again and again!!!!
Wow… did Abreu just move and make a running catch???????????
Son of a gun, will have big fun on the Bayou…..Guess anything is possible, or is that too premature to say.
“You realize what is going on here right? Andy Pettitte is throwing the offense under the bus now and this is the offense trying to show him that they are worthy of his great pitching. Don’t you see?”
And how does that make you feel?
“..an ‘ACE’ has an EXTRA SOMETHING.
..swagger, attitude, badness, fear factor.”
By your definition, Clemens is the Ace and not Wang.
Come on, what matters is the wins.
That is what we need now.
Villone the saving grace in pitching so far in this game.
Hey, Villone’s ERA for the year just dipped below Pettitte’s. And Villone sucks.
The real revelation to me in this game is Villone. I had no idea he had this kind of performance in him. I have the same reaction to him as Mike NYY.
“You realize what is going on here right? Andy Pettitte is throwing the offense under the bus now and this is the offense trying to show him that they are worthy of his great pitching. Don’t you see?�
And how does that make you feel?
Lol, nice
oh.. and i’ don’t care about his numbers .. but Wang is NOT an ace .. he’s a really nice pitcher – sometimes even filthy – but NOT AN ACE!!
the term, ‘ACE’ is thrown around entirely too loose these days.
..a true ‘ACE’ has an EXTRA SOMETHING.
..whether it’s swagger, attitude, badness, spunk, a hovering fear of having to face him the next day in any series
Wang has none of those.
Not knocking the guy by any means, I like Wang – he’s the quintessential number two guy – but NOT AN ACE.
Firecash, if everything went perfectly and they never made any mistake you could probably make a case for any .500 team being a WS contended
VILLONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i always liked villone on this team, and i never understood why people were so down about him. I really respect guys like him, guys who don’t have very good stuff, but get through innings on grit and intelligence. if farnsworth had any of that, we’d have a good set-up man.
* * that was a mistake – i’m sorry for the duplicate.
firecash….you have wonderful 20/20 hindsight.
Shoot, we need to score this inning.
Kay and Flaherty giving more details of the Proctor Inferno. Maybe he was trying to burn away some of his innings from last season?
i always liked villone on this team, and i never understood why people were so down about him. I really respect guys like him, guys who don’t have very good stuff, but get through innings on grit and intelligence. if farnsworth had any of that, we’d have a good set-up man.
It was probably the ERA above 5.00 that made people kind of not crazy about him.
I hate to say this, but:
When Pettitte and Posada moaned to the media about some not caring without names, it is a cop out. If they believed so and are sure they should have confronted those guys and kept it in the club house.
Posada specifically, has done this before as well.
firecash — 20/20 hindsight definitely…but I do like what you said about the IGawa/Lilly comparison
I would have taken Lilly in a heartbeat over an unknown like Igawa…especially after the Irabu and Contreras fiasco…not good – Lilly is having a solid season. Certainly worth the 10 million a year he got, in a market where jeff suppan and jeff weaver got 8!!?
firecash—20/20 hindsight definitely…but I do like what you said about the IGawa/Lilly comparison
I would have taken Lilly in a heartbeat over an unknown like Igawa…especially after the Irabu and Contreras fiasco…not good – Lilly is having a solid season. Certainly worth the 10 million a year he got, in a market where jeff suppan and jeff weaver got 8!!?
Last off season would you have taken Lilly over Mussina?
Why is Bruney in? Torre can’t possibly be this dumb and still have a job as MGR
Wait a minute, Bruney? We’re down 4. Doesn’t that mean we use Rivera?
Come on Bruney!!!!
pete good comment on sterling, it amazes me that he remains in the booth for the yankees, hes a joke
then again, maybe this year he parallels the team perfectly, leave him there these guys deserve it
Wait a minute, Bruney? We’re down 4. Doesn’t that mean we use Rivera?
Lol, you guys crack me up
PLEASE DON’T WALK ANYBODY!!!! MAKE YOUR PITCHES, BRUNEY!!!
If Bruney keeps walking people, it is about time to send him to AAA and bring Britton and see what he can do.
Pete,
The pitch count monitor in center field is broken because of a blackout last week. Kay was trying use a conspiracy theory when mussina was pitching on Friday saying that he wouldnt know how many pitches he thrown or his pitch speed.
i like bruney’s porno stache.
My 2008 Yankees rotation:
1. Wang
2. Mark Buerhle signed (midcareer veteran innings-eater)
3. Hughes
4. Pettitte (he picks up his $16M player’s option for ’08)
5. Kennedy, Chamberlain, Karstens, Clippard, Rasner, or Igawa
Forget two rookies and Hughes with only 2 M.L.B. starts
(so 2 between 3 guyS) making up the rotation, ain’t happening, this isn’t Tampa Bay.
Mussina and Igawa traded. If Mussina refuses a trade, put him and his $11.5M on waivers some team will claim him off of. If Boston can put pre-2004 still-prime Manny Ramirez on waivers, the Yanks can certainly put Mussina on them.
2009, new Yanke Stadium:
Johann Santana/ Wang/ Buerhle/ Hughes/ ???
I think the White Sox are going to extend Buehrle.
I was at the game yesterday – the pitch count/speed readout in center is broken.
What is this fascination about Buerhle?
If he is that good why is White Six ready to let him go.
On top of it, he is soft thrower. We have enough of them.
GOOD JOB BRUNEY!!!
I think Andy and Posada were talking out of frustration. Sometimes you are so frustrated and you have all these people asking you questions, it’s easy to wear your frustration on your sleeves when your team is losing. It also means you know your team could do a lot better. You are also including yourself. I’ve seen plenty football players who have confidence in their team have called out other players if you know the team can play better than they have been doing. You know your team better than the fans so you expect more for them.
Not to say it’s the right thing but I can see a player doing it out of frustration.
Jeter’s father is a counselor and is trained on how to teach people to deal with frustration. You can tell from listening to Jeter talk. Everyone handles their frustration differently.
We as fans always say we want to see the team show some emotion but when they do we say it’s not right if it doesn’t come from Jeter or Torre. Had this come from A-Rod the press would have blown this out of proportion and it would have been the cover story of every NY paper that A-Rod is calling out Jeter and Torre.
That’s just the way I see it right now is frustration. I think they all must be frustrated even more so than the fans. Posada has been one of the players keeping this team on track. I just think in his defense he’s saying what basically everyone is thinking. Including Jeter.
I think 2009 might include Joba Chamberlain and/or Ian Kennedy. I think Buehrle is the type of pitcher the Yankees need next year. Not a star that will cost 20 million dollars a year and stop them from resigning Rivera, Posada, and Rodriguez but a solid reliable innings eater but isn’t he close to an extension with the White Sox?
bring in ramirez for the 7th.. if they cannot score on Harren make him throw pitches he is over 90, get him out of there. no harder today.
work the count……….
Abreu got a ball out of the infield…..
ALERT THE AP!!!!!!
This game is a microcosm of the season, just when you think they’ll make a stand and get back into it, they fall flat on their faces again.
Protect yourselves.
Expect them to lose.
Melky would have had 3 hits except for Chavez doing his thing at 3rd base.. I meant harden not harder of course…
go down fighting if you are going to lose…….
I hope they keep D Haren in the game. He’s giving some hope at least for our side. Lol
Ramirez will not be brought in today unless the game get out of hand again. It is not fair to throw him into such a tense sitaution for the first appearance.
COME ON DAMON!!!
Damon needs to hit a homer
We need to score a couple of runs this inning and we have the right guys coming up.
To whoever said a healthy Damon in RF:
Are you kidding? With his arm, going 1st to 3rd would be no problem whatsoever.
Let’s get a hit captain
Damon’s future is as 1B or DH.
He is a liability in the OF.
To whoever said a healthy Damon in RF:
Are you kidding? With his arm, going 1st to 3rd would be no problem whatsoever.
Than were would you play him next year? We’re stuck with him
Thank you Captain
Good Job Jeter.
Now, if only Cano shows some disciplinee and gives opportunity to A-Rod.
8-5 THANX JETER.
Damon’s future is as 1B or DH.
He is a liability in the OF.
Than what happens to Giambi?
If Damon is 1B, then it is Ok.
Otherwise one of them has to go.
Cano is Da man!
At least Cano worked the count.
Cano is Da man!
That’s pronounced
Cano is Damon
If Damon is 1B, then it is Ok.
Otherwise one of them has to go.
Who plays RF? A FA? I`d personally rather have Phillips at first base and Damon in RF.
Come one Bruney!!!
What’s the fascination with Buerhle?
He’s posted at least 32 GS and 204 IP for each of the past 6 years and is on pace for another 30+ GS, 200+ IP season this year (15 GS, 100 IP). He’ll be only 29 years old next March.
He also has a career 3.79 ERA in the A.L. and is a winner (member of the 2005 World Series champion Chi-Sox). He could easily win 15-20 games with a bolstered Yankees lineup.
I would not be suprised at all if the Chi-Sox extended him cuz he’s worth every penny. If I was him, I’d stay cuz my life is gravy (World Series ring, extension, great fans, baseball town, and town in general).
‘Sorry if you want Wang/ Hughes/ Mussina/ Igawa/ ??? next year cuz that’s who it’ll be if we go by guys under contract and isn’t it putting a ton of pressure on Hughes with his 2 M.L. starts so far to be the #2? Mussina certainly isn’t a #3 anymore, he may not even be a #4. Igawa doesn’t belong on an M.L.B. team on any level. I’ll take an at-worst solid #3 like Buerhle thanks.
UGHHH mike meyers is in
I heard and hope some on can verify that Cano has the lowest % of converting baserunners into RBI’s..
this guy needs to see a therapist he is awful piece of crap.
I heard he convert much less then 20% of his runners into runs..
the bottom line is all year they do not have a 3rd hitter..
how about damon and then melky and then jeter then arod.
ellis just pokes the ball into right and cano looks lost in space.
myers our lefty artist is coming in.
bleacher people put on your helmets but I am betting on a walk…
Melky can play right field.
Peter, your schtick is getting old. You’re starting to sound a lot like Michael Kay…like you’re stirring the pot just to have fodder for your own agenda.
Just cut it out already. It really doesn’t become you.
Come Vizcaino!
It could very well be Abreu in the RF or an FA.
Phillips is a bench player unless he proves himslef rest of the season.
Torre should fine Cano for swinging at such crappy pitches. The guy gets himself out SO DAMN EASILY.
Buerhle fascination who cares they are not getting him so let people dream on…
oh yay mike myers. what a joke.
Mike Meyers is a serious waste of a roster spot. If he can’t get lefties out why is he on the team?
Maybe we should use Myers as a ROOGY
Myers!!!! Get one friggin’ out!!!!
Meyers sucks.
MYERS IS NOT A LEFTY SPECIALIST!!!!!
Has Meyers EVER come into a game and gotten his job done?
MYERS IS FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wth was that Moose?
I apologize I said a walk would occur I meant a double…
really is there a reason he is on the team??
There is not a reason, none……..he SUCKS>>>>
they cannot find a lefty specialist they have been looking for yrs………
Dear Brian Cashman,
Please use your brain. Myers is the lefty specialist and he can’t get lefties out. Doesn’t that warrant a change?
Edwar Ramirez, Chris Britton! Hellooo Brian, is anybody home or are you busy looking out for your job!
It is not Myers who sucks.
It is the clueless one who put him in there.
GET HIM OUT OF THE FRIGGIN’ GAME!!!
If this guy walks time for a pitching change.
come on. anyone with a left arm would be a better lefty specialist than myers.
BBfan you are a fool. no torre makes many mistakes but Myers sucks……
it is Myers fault alone……..so cut the crap, DFA Myers already…
Sean Henn can be our lefty specialist.
mike myers, another brilliant acquisition by cashman.
At least Cano saved that play. He did something
Regarding Myers, villone (he pitched good today for a change), Vizcaino, get used to having them on the team until the trade deadline. If they can not trade them by that date, that is when you will see the uncoditional relases.
Let’s go Vizcaino
“It is not Myers who sucks.
It is the clueless one who put him in there.”
It’s Myers JOB to get lefties out. He’s not doing it so you blame the manager? Get out.
Stuart,
Mind your words.
Myers is sucking for a long time.
If you are the manager and you want to win, why do you bring him in knowing he is going to screw up any away.
Is that difficult to understand.
It’s not the problem that they signed him. It was worth a shot.
The problem is that after 1.5 seasons no one in this organization seems to grasp the concept that he never gets the job done and is a waste of a roster spot.
That is what is so infuriating to me. Recognize your mistakes and move on from them. Cashman and Torre don’t do that. They keep waiting and hoping for something to happen that never does. Christ, Pavano is the perfect example of that too.
Its Myers’ job to get lefties out and he’s bad at it but uts Torre who chooses to use him
Villone doesn’t ever get a chance to pitch. He has been pitching fairly well when given the chance. I believe Myers and Farns are gone sooner rather than later.
Myers won’t be gone, are you kidding?
Cashman wants to save him for next time they face Boston and they need to get Ortiz out. LOL
Get this guy out Vizcaino.
It’s also Cashman who refuses to make moves. Amazing that Myers is still on this team, the man can do no harm in Cashmans eyes!
Keep letting Britton and Ramirez rot in the minors Cashmoney.
We got 9 outs, lets do something useful.
Nice job Captain
I’ll take a homer by A-rod here
its cashmans fault for signing him, torres fault for using him, and myers fault for sucking so bad
lol Tippy tell me how you really feel.
Wow, I think Kay just tried to make a joke
good job a-rod
good job a-rod
I know right, lets trade him for Chone Figgins
figgins has been pretty hot lately, lol
Come on Godzilla
***Or you can look at the big scoreboard in center field.***
The scoreboard hasn’t been working the past couple of days, so I’m guessin’ it’s out today as well, hence why Sterling needs to dig a little to find out Haren pitch count.
Someone probably left a comment saying this, but I’m too lazy to look for it…
Come on Abooboo!!!
yay its farnsworth time. what another joke
I have no faith anymore when Cano or Abrue’s at bat.
Great, end of the inning!!
Cano is at .243 BA .293 oba and .368 slugging with runners on this year.
Runners in scoring position .202/.242/.286
RISP 2 outs .129/.182/.194
Bases loaded .111/.182/.222
Career:
runners on .279/.310/.423
RISP .247/.280/.401
RISP 2 outs .218/.257/.365
Bases loaded .204//.222/.347.
A lot of his problems stem from this year, but career he hits .337 bases empty, .279 with runners on.
Pitchers do bear down with runners on. But the fall off is striking.
Especially telling is with bases loaded. Most hitters are much better with bases loaded. he is awful with bases loaded.
I made a case about a month ago that Pedroia is better than Cano.
I backtracked off that, and it is too soon to tell, but here is Pedroia with runners on base this year
.407 batting average, .495 oba, .583 slugging. Only 86 at bats, but come on, those numbers are great. Cano gets himself out with runners on, Pedroia is just better at it, for now.
Overall, Pedroia is at .319/.401/.451
Career he is .281/.360/.407. That includes last years awful quarter season for him at age 22.
Cano career is .307/.334/.470.
Lower oba, higher slugging, a year older. Both have great contact rates, but without pedroia’s plate discipline pitchers have learned to make cano swing at off the plate stuff. Especially with runners on. Cano is more athletic. But Pedroia at present is the player with better baseball skills. At least for this half season.
Cano has more upside. But Pedroia could end up being a great one in his own right. I’d take Pedroia. But maybe he turns into Chuck Knoblauch and Cano turns into, I dunno, some .350 hitting, 25 homer monster.
no farnsworth today. there is a god.
Thank goodness they only scored only one run off us so far since the 4th inning. At the rate were were going this could have been really ugly .
Good play by Cano and Phillips by the way
There is still 9th inning for Fransworth sighting!!!
On Cano, something I hadn’t noticed, his contact rate has plunged this year. Last year he Kd 54 times in 482 at bats. This year it is 48Ks in 297 at bats. He’s already walked 14 times versus 18 all last year.
He is K’ing in 16% of his at bats, which is an ok number, but last year only 11% of the time.
a man alex..what happen there?
most overused phrase in yankee-land: “you’ve got to tip your hat to [insert name of crappy pitcher or hitter who beats the yankees here].”
i’m sick of hearing it from the players, and i’m sick of hearing it from the broadcast booth. enough already. nobody needs to tip their hat to players who kick the yankees’ ass. the yankees are stinking up the joint, and everyone in the world knows it (except yankee players/fans/broadcasters/journalists). this leads to abnormal levels of confidence amongst otherwise crappy mlb players. they then kick the ass of the yankees, and these homers want me to tip my cap to them? no thanks…
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Come on vizcaino!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are we walking this guy?
looks like the pen is doing there thing..
how many 0 – 2 hits have they given up this yr. seems like many many.
the nightmare continues…
Get out of the inning Vizcaino, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT WALK HIS BUTT!!!
CUST K’D!!!! GET THE LAST OUT PLEASE!!
Viz keep it going man.
JUST FRIGGIN’ GREAT!!!!
Game Over
Why on earth is Proctor coming in?
damn pen
we had a chance, now, not so much
down six (maybe more now with scotty coming in) with 6 outs to go
why r we callin in scott procter dont u think he gunna need a day off and were losin by 6 put in edwar
NOW THE EVER IMPLODING SCOTT BLEEPIN’ PROCTOR!!
This is ridiculous.
oh boy, here comes proctor
its a miracle
scotty actually got an out…without giving up any runs
I’m glad they didn’t put Rivera in to take this embarrassing loss. He doesn’t need this headache.
“Game Over”
I think the game was over when it was 8-0 in the 2nd inning, and the yanks hadn’t scored a run in 16 straight innings (or whatever that ridiculous stat was)…
again they have no reliable pen mates. not one guy is reliable. the nagels jsut won 4 runs on 4 hits.. they went to shield early and he got in trouble in the 8th 2 on 2 outs and the ycalled in Frankie.
they try to win the game that they are playing.
Ramirez should pitch the 9th
I predict Proctor will try to burn down the Stadium after todays game.
Torre is honestly a horrific manager…. He cannot stand using a young pitcher… It makes absolutly no sense to use Proc when your down 6 runs..
is there a reason why torre feels the need to pitch proctor in every single game?
I hope this gets uglier for us. The only way out of this Torre nightmare is horrific play. Many of you think it started this year. This nonsense has been going on for many years already, and if the yankees were in first place, their post season chances are slim with the clueless Joe Weaver Torre still managing.
I cannot believe how we keep making under .500 teams look as if they are playing over .600? We suck and we make thing look better. blah blah blah and a few bleeps
you know what’s truly amazing about torre…about three hours ago, we were all sitting here speculating about how many runs the yankees would need to give up before ramirez would get to pitch. meanwhile, we’ve used 6 pitchers in this game and allowed 9 runs, and no ramirez. i wonder what situation he might get a shot to play in?
Joe to Guidry, bring in Proctor, we’re down 6 runs and our offense can grind this out.
Guidry to Joe, Proctor’s arm is falling off, he pitches everyday, and besides, lately he has sucked. How bout this Ramirez kid? or just let Vcano finish this crap out?
Joe to Guidry, Just a minute, I’m sipping my tea… disagree, no reason not to use, he can pitch every day, and maintain his effectiveness. He is a battler.
If they don’t make some kind of moves to shake up this loser team after this game, they never will.
Take all the flags down from atop the Stadium and replace them with white ones. They’ve given up on this season.
Does Joe even know Edwar is on the bench????!!!
Does anyone else think that Matsui has lost some bat speed…He’s seems tentative when he wants to turn on a pitch……Wrist injury such as he suffered takes well over a year to regain full strength….Wonder if he went to a lighter stick this season……What a mess we’re watching…..
Torre will not use Ramirez at all cost. He has a complete lack of respect or trust for any of the ‘kids’. This attitude is part of the reason a good part of our roster travels to the stadium from the bronx retirement home.
It is insane to use Proctor today. Understanding maybe Joe wants him back on the horse in a fairly hopeless game, but he has burnout issues galore. Give him a break and put in Ramirez, for crying out loud. I agree with you angst ridden Yankee fans. That is unforgiveable in my book. Maybe Edwar is sore from his trip in from Scranton, nyuck nyuck.
its 11-5 the game is too close to bring in a rookie pitcher. lol torre needs to go.
wow, Joe managed to ruin the one thing I was looking forward to; Edwar Ramirez
Moderation on my comments. how about someone asking TOrre about these moves.. You think they are minor but how are you going to find out if your gusy can play??
Proctor getting 4 meaningless outs is a joke and waste…
who cares………
Guidry to Joe,
In between innings after patting Damon on the rear for grinding it out before meakly popping up against a garbage reliever.
You know, I’ve wanted to say this for awhile but I can’t hold back any longer… ‘you’re remarkably clueless and my brain power has slipped since my association with you’.
Joe to Guidry, did you see that Casilla guy on the Angels, I mean A’s… got to hand it to him. Good job he did. Where’s my tea, anyway??
edwar ramirez in the 10th.
Proctor just gets 4 in a row out in a an 11-5 game.
Renews Joe’s trustin him and will now pitch everyday this week.
Someone shoot me now, please.
Expect more changes after this game ladies and gentlemen. I think Farns will be gone before he pitches another inning. Myers will be gone soon. We should look for these changes to be made in the next couple of days.
We still have 3 outs and Alan Embree is in the game. We can still come back and win.
I know the only remotely enjoyable things about this team is seeing if any of the young guys can really play..
Shelly Duncan hist his 20th today, sounds like Jack Cust??
Kennedy kicked butt and Steven WHite dominated at AAA..
No I get to watch the same old junk fail game in and game out.
True Pettitte stunk today but the pen still gave up 3 runs………………
Jeter is on. Lets go Cano!!!
It is very interesting to see the very people blindly supporting Joe a few minutes back now bashing him….How quickly things change.
Forgetting everything else on yet another pathetic display of baseball, I was really hoping to see Ramirez today.
Perfect game to use him and he gets passed over. Sigh, its understand what in the world they are thinking when making pitching decisions.
Only thing I can come up with is, they are so used to being in the race (which, they clearly aren’t at this time), they play every game as if it means something.
At this point, the only way the games have meaning is to give kids like Ramirez a shot to see if he can be someone you can count on for the future.
Gotta use him in a game like today. I would love to see someone ask Joe about it after the game. IMO, its a relevent question.
Not using Ramirez, batting an automatic, non-run producing hitter like Cano in the three hole. Not exactly inspiring decisions today.
Cano, man he is one helluva ballplayer. Send him down to the minors. He needs a wake up call.
C’mon A-ROd!!
Cano is lost in space..
he is a joke……………..a friggin joke..
he and Abreu singlehandledly is killing this team.. then we have Johnny”not feeling giid” Damon with an excuse a day..
Really they are not thrwoing Cano strikes!!!!Shocking.. WHy would they do that? Maybe because he does not have any plate dsicipline….
Who would like to post a good reason for Torre’s use of Proctor today? Anyone, please. I need to see a cogent explanation for why Torre continuously does things that seem so indefensibly stupid.
Wait, I get it. Ramirez is now THE set-up guy to pick up holds in close games Yanks are winning. He is now the 8th inning guy; Proctor is for when you are in blow-outs.
SJ the crack reporters will never ask a pertinent question..
they will ask some nonsense about what Posada said or some other irrelevant garbage.
If you will not use a rookie pitcher in a game you are losing by 6 runs when will you use him???
That is a reasonable question….
Torre postgame “im really proud of our guys, we really battled and showed some fight, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah:
good at-bat by arod
C’mon Posada!!! Lets go and get this win!!
I’m going to go to bed tonight praying that tomorrow’s headline is “Torre Fired, Myers DFAed, Cano optioned to AAA, and Abreu beaten with a sack of pennies by Posada.”
What are the chances of Ramirez rotting in the bullpen much like Villone for several weeks, and Britton in his brief call-up? Not to forget Mo not being used early in the year and more recently, being rested.
Let’s see Basak too, how long was he up (3weeks) and how many AB did he have?? Maybe 1?
How can any young player with drive and ambition want to play for the Yankees? They will never get a shot, not even when you’re down 6 runs.
“…and Abreu beaten with a sack of pennies by Posada.â€?
that would be fun to watch
Jeremy – I think Torre wanted instill trust in Proctor and give him a chance to redeem himself. LOL, I’m trying to give u an explanation. Hope ya like.
Great Game Guys!!!!!
Now go cash those millions dollar paychecks and hit the strip clubs.
Torre will use Ramirez in a close game after having run the pen dry. Ramirez will walk a batter. Torre will pull Ramirez for Proctor and not use Ramirez again for five games.
Well, in the 3 spot Cano lived up to expectations and averaged 3 pitches or less. His first at bat he went 5, after that, squadoosh.
Seriously, maybe the issue is he cannot count and when he gets to the number 3 his brain locks up and he freaks out. There really is no other reason for this type of display.
Now I know that SJ44 and others have argued that there are no other options for Torre but I disagree. Start bringing up younger players. If you have to DFA someone and eat their contract how is that worse than paying them to continue to perform like cavemen stunned by the site of fire. Plus, some of the blame on running out the same guys does fall on Joe. Is Cairo the ideal second baseman, no, but if it gets Cano to remove his head from his arse, then do it.
Yes, grasping at straws but that is more of an effort than the Yankees are showing now.
At this point, I agree with Pete’s article today on firing Joe but something has got to give.
Typically the reporters ask softball questions so they get answers, they’ll leave it up to some sacrificial goat to screw up and actually ask the Manager or the players, a meaningful relevant question that was relevant to determing the outcome?
If anybody was at the game today, I would love to know on a decibel level, what the boos sounded like at the end of the game.
Questions I’d ask:
1. Why didn’t you use Ramirez in a 6 run lead?
Folks, the botomline is Joe never gave chances to younsters and the only way it will happen is if he is fired.
The longer he stays on the job, the worse it is for the future of Yankees as we need these youngsters to develop.
this is a train wreck. I do not want to hear from all you experts that it could have been predicted.
but when you have a wreck you try to fix it, they are still in denial..
Really myers is he going to improve? The guys makes nothing , send him to the NL for nothing his contract is up at the end of the yr. That move is doable…
Vizciano looking better?/ Really come on, Matsui at the wall against SF stopped a bases clearing triple…
Cani is worth keeping the guy is a moron but a 24 yr old who has succeeded..
MY point is 35 yr old guys who have not shown anything, why keep them around??? There is no reason none……NO REASON…
cAN US losers who have to watch this at least see some young blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!Please god…………
id like girardi to be manager but i dont know how effective he’ll be managing a team where 90 percent of the players are older than he is.
Joe Weaver Torre doesn’t like to use ‘kids’ plain and simple.
Unfortunately for us fans,JWT will continue to manage as it appears Steinbrenner suffers from a far more nefarious neurological disorder than jwt. Just look at his empty hollow stares when interviewed on television. Clearly something is not right in either of these two.
No one is getting fired unfortunately. Even if JWT wasn’t managing in such an extreme and bizarre way, he should be fired purely on the merit of the team. Something should and needs to happen. Unfortunately that something is merely bringing Ramirez up to keep Mo company on the bench as the two watch the rest of our pen implode.
E-ROC, I think that IS the explanation. He wanted him to earn some self-confidence back ina blow-out. But he still could have waited. There will be plenty of blow-outs. And Proctor needs some rest.
As for Cano, sending him to minors won’t help, and he is better than the Yanks other options. Admittedly, he is showing why you can’t maintain .330 batting averages when you never walk.
Who cares? They’ve sold their 4 mil. tickets already for the season.
2007 is a great success for the New York Yankees!
Unless you’re one of us dumb fans who actually care.
PAGING BRIAN “ROCKS IN HIS HEAD” CASHMAN!!!! GET RID OF MYERS AND FARNS. CALL UP CHRIS BRITTON AND SHELLEY DUNCAN. WHY AREN’T U PAYING ATTENTION?! DON’T MAKE ME HAVE TO PIMP SMACK U!! PLEASE, LET THERE BE CHANGES MADE BEFORE THE START OF THE TWINS’ SERIES. TRADE FARNS AND MYERS FOR MICHAEL BOURN OF THE PHILLIES.
i know cano has been HORRIBLE but get off his back. its not like he’s trying to suck.
E-ROC, that’s a good one. That’s probably what Torre would say.
I think Torre sees Proctor as his security blanket. Whenever he gets confused about what to do, he mutters “Proctor,” like a reflex.
It’s like SJ44 and others have said, this was a great game to use Ramirez. We were down 4 or more runs for most of the game. There was never a lead to protect. If you don’t use him in this game, when do you use him? But no, we see Proctor, who will not be healthy for a playoff run at this rate.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
someone just said playoff run!
Thanks man, I needed a good laugh today!
Are thgey trying for the top draft pick?
Sometimes you have to cut losses and be bold.
Before his stock plummets, if it is not already, they should seriously consdier trading Cano to get a good righty hitting batsman.
Peter,
Love the blog – the pitch count sign and speed sign was broken at the game yesterday.
Rob
Bob, shut up
So, Cano or Pedroia?
I vote Pedroia. Just 2 months ago that would have sounded ludicrous. Maybe in 2 months it will again.
It won’t be long before the most exciting thing about a Yankee game is the W.B. Mason ad.
eating the myers contact, villone, or vizciano is nothing… Viz is the big earner at $3 mill and the yr is half over, send him to the NL for anything.. Same with Myers and Villone..
again we act like there are no options..
here is my team totally realistic..
sp; pettite, clemens, moose, wang, and Igawa. Once Hughes comes back Igawa in the pen as long man.
pen; mariano, proctor, bruney, ramirez(pitch him), Britton(and use him)Farnsworth(but really really try to trade him)..a bad lefty is not an asset.
same starting lineup as today with a bench of; SHelly Duncan(try him), cairo,nieves(i waive him) and use anyone else thompson, and one other guy.
You say so what this is the same team, I say no it is not; gone myers, villone, vizciano,igawa in pen,
this 13 pitcher setup is a joke and we will see how DUncan does. Gardner doing very well at AA maybe give him a shot, he is fast and supposively can field.
try incremental moves.. get a decent backup catcher.. minky comes back trade him for a lower level prospect.
the yanks are stuck if the big 4 lefties stink; that is abreu, damon, cano, and matsui. If they do not turn it around they are cooked..Look at this groups #’s Damon is 249 or so, cano about the same, same with abreu…These guys have been terrible.
Go wash your Cano jersey for tomorrow nights loss ChuBaca.
You want to look good for his next 0-4.
I agree something has to give. However, what the “something is”, is when things get sticky.
For example, sending Cano to AAA ruins any trade value for him. If I am the GM, I say publicly what a great player the kid is, how they have confidence in him, and how he will snap out of it.
The only way you send him to AAA is if he is part of your rebuilding plans for the future. IMO, he shouldn’t be part of those plans.
Privately, I would shop him ACTIVELY and see if you can get a couple of parts (or one big part) for a kid who, IMO, isn’t going to get any better as long as he stays in NY.
If a team thinks they can “fix” him, he has value on the trade market. You send him to AAA, you destroy his value on the open market.
I have said repeatedly, Robinson Cano is a kid you trade to upgrade your roster. Not a kid to build around. An average fielding second baseman, with no power, no speed, and no run producing ability, that is arbitration eligible (making him a 5 million dollar a year guy very, very soon), is not appealing to me.
Some teams think he can be special. I hope Texas is one of those teams and I ship him (and others) for Teixiera in a NY minute. I have Cairo finish the year at second and use the off-season to find a fundamentally sound veteran to play the position.
Finding either a power hitting first baseman, or a corner OF with power, are much bigger priorities than keeping Cano. If he can be used to get one of the above, you gotta do it, IMO.
Honestly, I have no idea how they don’t DFA Myers at this point. A lefty “specialist”, who can’t get lefies out, is really of no value to any team. Let alone an under .500 team. At this point, its more important to use guys like Sean Henn and Edwar Ramirez, to see if they can be part of the future, than it is to trot out Myers 4-5 times a week to stink out the place.
Its not going to be easy to fix everything. However, if they can be smart (and be sellers for a change) at the deadline, and use the second half of the season to begin seeing what some of their young pitchers can do at the ML level, at least the second half of the season will be watchable.
Worse than being a bad team (which they are), they aren’t even watchable. In a city like NY, that’s as big a sin as being a bad team.
Didn’t Ramirez pitch 3 innings on Friday? I think Torre has lost it myself, but he could just be protecting the guy …. giving him some rest before his first appearance.
Or it could be that Torre is brain dead ……
Cano ain’t going nowhere. Wow, you have one subpar half year and people are kicking you out of New York. What fans.
Cano will get his act together. He has too much talent not to. I know its hard but be patient…you have to be with young guys.
Chris Britton and Shelley Duncan should be on the roster before the 1st game of the next series. GET ABOOBOO OUT OF RF. HE FRIGGIN’ SUCKS AND IS LAZY AND SCARE OF A WALL THAT DOESN’T BITE OR SHOOT ANYONE EVER. Let Kevin Thompson start or something but get Abreu out of there. We should trade for Brian Anderson from the White Sox. Edwar Ramirez was the first step. We need more progression when trying to improve the team. Villone earned his stripes today. I give a lot of respect for not griping about playing time. I’m out people. It’s almost midnight in TURKEY! PEACE!
yeah Villone is a good long term option the guy is 38 yrs old..he is the classic journeyman pitcher..
he has a career minimum mid 4 ERA…
I don’t wear Robbie jerseys nowadays. You have to produce to get respect from me.
Realsitically, not much will happen before the trading deadline. That is when people like Myers, Villone, Vizcaino get traded and youngsters like Henn, Britton will be given a chance.
Also, that is when Hughes will be ready and Igawa goes to bullpen.
Have patience for one month!!!
they battled.. that is the good news.. they are played to play hard.
too consider that a plus is a joke…all employees should try all the time.
Cano only left 7 men on base..
again there lefties are dreadful
Yes Chubaca but its not like he is trying to improve. Fielding has dropped off. Plate discipline is an non existant as the brains in George Bush’s brain…
So to say back off, you really can’t. He deserves what he is getting. Being 24 does not mean that he is exempt from criticism. This is a tremendous drop off, not a slump.
Kim Jones said that Ramirez pitched 3 full innings on
Friday night. So, maybe it was for the best that he
gets another day off before his big league debut. But let’s
hope we see him (and not Proctor and Myers) out there
tomorrow.
unless you see a team all the time Stats can be misleading.
Myers ERA is 2.60, that is a joke…it just shows you #’s can be misleading…
the nightmare continues…
If Cano is believed to be that good by other GMs, we will get a very good return as well. I am not suggesting to dump him, rather suggesting get equal value right handed hitting batsman.
I hate to say this but we need a guy like Helton on this team.
Just looking at next season and he is a good #3 hitter.
Helton is a NO..
Under any circumstances he is a NO… Overpaid, old, etc. I guess he fits the losing mold…..
If A-Rod didn’t have his no trade, you could rebuild this team for years and be competitive starting next year.
Depends on how much $$$ CO eats he might be worth it.
there is the mantra”we will battle”…
that is what it has come down to.. guys that make millions will battle, very nice of them…..
How about asking about Ramirez getting a chance…
Pete – how would you like to be the DH for the Yanks?
Helton is overrated. I watch him all the time… Don’t let the Coor’s effect fool you.
I am for trading A-Rod since he is going to opt out anyway.
Perhaps he will ask/approve a trade.
Let’s see what happens.
10 things I would do if I was Joe Torre.
1)Bench Cano for the next series, sit him next to Mattingly.
2)Demand Farnsworth to go or resign now.
3)Bat Jeter third.
4)When Farnsworth leaves announce your resigning after the year as Peter suggested in another post.
5)Name a setup man, anyone, and stick to it.
6)Give a long real long speech to the media that the last time this team won was 7 years ago.
7)Repeat this phrase over and over again, Jeter is the captain.
8)Say this also, This is the Mets town now.
9)Pack your bags for saying #8.
10)Get ready for your number retiring ceremony.
Colorado Yank-
Trying to improve and actually improving are two completely different things, so for you to say that he isn’t trying to improve just because you don’t see any improvements is ludicrous. His fielding as dropped off a bit but its not like its dreadful. His plate discipline, well, he doesn’t have any. Last year he didn’t have to ONLY swing at strikes since he was making solid contact and driving balls in HIS zone. This year, he’s not putting the same swing on balls that he would have drilled last year. That prolongs his slump and further exposes his lack of plate discipline.
Nobody is saying “dump Cano”.
However, watching him everyday, its clear the talent doesn’t equal the hype. If you can turn him into a significant upgrade at first or in the OF, he goes if I am the GM.
The idea is to improve the team. If he is a vehicle to that end, it must be done, IMO.
As far as “not being patient” with him, I disagree. I believe, when you see a guy refusing to make any kind of adjustments in his game, no matter how much he struggles, that’s a sign you can’t ignore.
There is nothing to suggest he will “find it”. There is a lot to suggest he won’t. I say better to know that now, and deal him, than be in the same place a year from now, when he is making more money and is as unmovable as many of the other guys (from a performance and contractual standpoint) on the roster.
There is a great freedom to losing. The freedom is, sentimentality goes out the window. You do what’s best for the team and people’s feelings be damned.
You move whomever you can (within reason, of course) if it will upgrade the team for the future.
There is a bad vibe with this team. The Farnsworth and Proctor incidents this weekend, the complete falloff of Abreu and Cano as players, the guys with rings (Pettitte, Posada, O’Neill, Martinez, Girardi) calling guys out in recent weeks, etc.
You just get the feeling as bad as we (fans) think it is, its much worse inside the locker room.
I have a feeling its going to get worse before it gets better. It usually does when it goes real bad in NY.
That’s why I am hoping they call up some of the younger guys the second half and give the fans something else to talk about rather than watching a group of extreme underachievers stink it up on a daily basis.
That’s not fun for anybody.
There are reports that Scott Proctor just set Kyle Farnsworth on fire.
I disagree about trading Cano.. The guy has had over 1000 AB’s in the majors. He is 24, you trade guys like that and it usually comes back to haunt you..
Do not trade him, work with him, help him learn the strike zone..
Cano has 1300 AB’s with a 307 avg. the guy is a great fielder.. yes he is a knucklehead but you do not trade guys like this unless the offer is very very good…
YOU WILL REGRET IT..
“Quote from F*g poster Redsox Fan i”nsidetheparker” from Sosh ”
Believe it or not, there is such a critter as a Yankee fan who remembers going to the Stadium with his father since he was six years old, and is old enough to remember them stinking more than winning. He never pulls that “26″ stuff. In fact, he is troubled because they are playing so poorly because he has rooted for them so long through thick and thin and sees them making so many mistakes that it bothers him, not because he feels entitled, but just because, as he says, “It’s bad baseball.”
Ah, this was the highlight of a bad day. Thanks #9!
If you can move Cano for a better player, who is under 30 (like Tex, for example), its a move you have to make, IMO.
Second base is not a “need”, or a difference maker position. Soild corner OF’s, an 8th inning arm, a power hitting first baseman, those are difference maker positions. All are current weaknesses on this Yankee team right now.
If Cano can help them fill one of those needs, you have to trade him.
If he can’t, then you have to pray he finds it.
If not, he is an albatross on this team.
This team has won rings with Mariano Duncan, a BAD Chuck Knoblauch and Luis Sojo playing second base. Veteran guys who knew how to play the game. Cano will never be mistaken for someone who understands how to play the game.
They haven’t won anything with guys like Cano and Alfonso Soriano, two supremely talented, yet lazy, one dimensional players, playing second base.
Used properly, and smartly, Cano is an important chip that could help the rebuilding process.
Obviously, making a dumb trade (for any regular player over 30) is not what I am recommending.
I am saying that, if they can find a better deal than that, he shouldn’t be on the list of “untouchables” in this organization.
Damon striking out with runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out was the killer, to me. As Bad as Cano was, still, all Damon had to do was hit a weak ground ball, or a decent fly ball to the OF, but he swings like he’s just trying to foul the ball off. If his swing is so bad, why not at least try a safety squeeze there? Of course, Torre never does it. But Damon should mix some bunting in with his feeble swinging some times, if for no other reason than to give the corner infielders something to think about. He has been SUCH a letdown.
SJ44, the problem is I don’t think any team is going to give us a money player for Cano because he looks like a huge gamble. Everyone already knew he had no patience, but this year has showed that he’s not a lock to bat .340 or hit 15 HRs.
Cano would probably get us another underachiever in return.
I know what you’re saying but I disagree. Even if there was a chance we’d get Tex for Robbie (which I highly doubt), I still wouldn’t do it. Tex is a good, young player, both defensively and offensively, but I’d take Cano over him. I don’t know, but I like his chances at being great a little bit more.
“Cano will never be mistaken for someone who understands how to play the game.”
I don’t know where you get that from.
I believe you can’t win with one player. You win with a bunch of guys who know how to play and know what do to win. I don’t think we have enough to judge Robbie in that department, so your comment (They haven’t won anything with guys like Cano and Alfonso Soriano, two supremely talented, yet lazy, one dimensional players, playing second base) is irrelevent to me.
And I don’t think Cano is lazy nor “one-dimensional”
above comment directed at SJ44
Fired Torred, Hired Hargrove
Here’s what I mean about Cano’s baseball IQ.
Four different situations this week, he came up with RISP, following a walk to the previous hitter. On each occasion, he swung at the first pitch and made outs three times of the four times on first pitches. The other time, he swung and missed and eventually K’ed on a ball over his head.
If we broke down his AB’s this season, we would see that happening on a daily basis. Its why teams don’t bother throwing him strikes anymore. He just gets himself out.
Here’s the way I look at it. I know the Yankees see this and I know he’s been told about it. Yet, still no change from him. If I was the manager or the GM, that would drive me nuts.
Tex for Cano and other parts? Its a no brainer if that was ever on the table. Mark Teixiera is a MUCH better player than Robinson Cano. In every way. Offense, defense, situational hitting, power. Its not even close.
Cano is a talented kid who hasn’t come to the realization that you can’t get by on talent alone.
‘Ya think Posada wasn’t directing his comments yesterday toward Cano (as well as others)? I certainly do.
I remember watching Jeter, in a game earlier this year, jump right in Cano’s face after an EXTREMELY lazy play at second base almost cost them a game. I wrote to Pete in the blog to ask Jeter about it the next day because I read Jeter’s lips telling him, “That’s not how we play here”.
I actually watched it again the next day to make sure I was accurate and I was.
Jeter cutely dodged Pete’s question by saying he didn’t say anything. Typical Jeter! lol
When I look at this team for next year, I see some real trouble areas:
1. Re-signing Mo, Posada and Arod isn’t going to be easy or cheap.
2. The pitching staff, from starters to the ‘pen is a huge question mark. We have to hope the younger guys (Hughes, Horne, Kennedy, Ramirez, Britton, David Robertson) can be helpful here. Right now, we have one starting pitcher that can go 7 innings each start (Wang). That’s not good enough.
3. The 2,000 pound elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about. Suppose Arod walks? Where is the power coming from in the lineup?
I gotta tell ya, if you can get a power bat for a guy like Cano, you have to do it. If, for no other reason, as a hedge against Arod leaving.
ChuBaca -
I’m with you regarding Cano.
I guess Vizcaino’s not ready to do 2 consecutive innings yet. He did great in his first inning, and I thought he’d get out of the 2nd one, but it was too much.
Good day for Andy Phillips and Melky Cabrera and Ron Villone. Not a good game overall, but at least it continued to hold the interest and hope sparked until Myers’ ineffectiveness. I don’t think there’s a part of Jeter’s body that isn’t hurting right now. Damon looks to be running okay, but hasn’t really found his stroke yet. After defending Matsui a few days ago, I see he really does look lost up there – however, I have faith he’ll bounce back.
Gotta look for the silver lining. Not being delusional, just trying to take some positive from a negative situation. I have to say, I don’t understand some of the anger. Frustration and disappointment, absolutely. Anger? The Yankees don’t pay my bills, you know?
SJ44 –
The Yankees got to the World Series in 2001 and 2003 with Soriano. No, they didn’t win the WS, but the AL Champs is not nothing. I never thougth Soriano was lazy so much as he didn’t seem to like to make adjustments and he loved to admire his homeruns.
Texas has a better 2B than Cano already in Ian Kinsler. Why would they want Cano?
SJ44 –
I do remember the play you’re talking about, actually. Since then, I haven’t seen Cano play that poorly. Make mistakes, yes, but play that nonchalantly, no.
I understand what you’re saying about hedging your bets against A-Rod leaving. The Yankees have a real problem on their hands at the end of the season. And you do have to wonder if Pettitte, Posada and Rivera will want to stick around after what could end as a truly disastrous season. But it’s not so easy to acclimate to another team after being with one your entire career, so I think that the Yankees still have first dibs on all of them (except, perhaps, Pettitte, who I wouldn’t be surprised would retire). I do agree with your assessment that starting to work on the future develoment now isn’t a bad idea. For the Yankees, for the fans, and also, for Posada, Rivera and Pettitte to be a part of that.
At least according to Michael Kay, Rivera has said that after he retires he wants to work with young pitchers in Tampa. For that reason I think he’s committed to remaining with the Yankee organization.
This year seems to be marking the end and a beginning.
Red Sox are 2 games under .500 for the last 26 games…..Blown chances right there….The month started out good enough, the past road trip was the season it appears….
SJ44,
I am down for a Teixiera for Cano swap, but I don’t see Texas being interested in Cano. They already got Ian Kinsler who looks pretty good. I guess they could move Cano to third(I think Blalock is a FA after this season) but I don’t think it will happen.
Some in Texas have speculated Kinsler’s future is in CF or at third base.
They haven’t been happy with his defense but love his bat.
Fire Torre. Make Reggie Jackson the manager. That ought be an exciting summer. (P.S. Don’t tell Steinbrenner.)Or make Jeter player/manager. Let’s have some fun again (even if the losing continues [in an ever diminishing manner–cross my fingers). As for the line-up. Need some power in the outfield. Trade Cano for that if possible. Matsui would make a decent first baseman. Or Damon. Have this dynamic duo take over the 1B and DH duties and make it a battle for surivival for next season. Best man wins. Trade Abreu for some big-bodied young’un and throw the dice. Get a whole bunch of middle relievers who can throw strikes. Otsuka and Kuwata are achievable. The Yanks and A-Rod were at their best when A-Rod was in bad boy mood (yelling “mine” in Toronto and partying). Hookers. Hookers.
my name is pedro borbon former mlb pitcher for 12 1/2 years with the big red machine. I want to make something clear: edwar ramirez has never had tj surgery. i don ‘t know where Dan got that false report from. I know edwar ramirez, and he is 26 years old. And he did not start the fight in trenton this year. it was the batter that started the fight because edwar struck him out with 3 straight changeups and the batter started yelling at edwar. the fight started in the bottom half of the inning when the first thunder batter got hit in the head. dan is a liar and hater. I hate those kind of people that give false information.
Whoa, Pedro Borbon? I sw you pitch against the Yanks in ’76 I think. As Ali G might ask, Fuhreal?