Game 84: Angels at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 06, 2007 
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Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Damon LF
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Abreu RF
Cano 2B
Phillips 1B
Pettitte LHP
Pregame chatter: Yes, that’s Johnny Damon in left and Melky in center. Very interesting. Damon hasn’t played left field since June 22, 2001 when he played for Oakland.
This, to me, is a sort of “get ready for next year” move. The Yankees need to determine whether Damon can play left field and first base. Then next year you use him as a sort of super utility player at 1B, LF, CF and DH.
That would allow them to sign one of the big OFs on the market or move forward with Cabrera in center.
UPDATE, 5:33 p.m.: There be no decision on whether A-Rod plays in the All-Star game until tomorrow.
UPDATE, 6:18 p.m.: Andy Phillips has been scratched because of a stiff neck and replaced by Miguel Cairo. This a day after Joe Torre said he was the everyday first baseman.
UPDATE, 7:33 p.m.: That double snaps an 0-for-19 skid for A-Rod. He now has 21 doubles, five fewer than he had all last season.
UPDATE, 8:35 p.m.: Who knew the Yankees even had a suicide squeeze sign?
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: The Melkman cost the Yankees a run there when he threw home with no chance to get Izturis. That allowed Figgins to move up to second. Up 8-4, you hit the cutoff man. I’ll bet he’s already been told that.
UPDATE, 9:09 p.m.: The Yankees are up 9-7 and should be up 10-6 except for the mistakes by Cabrera and Cano. You have to wonder whether it’ll come back to haunt them.
Meanwhile, Edwar Ramirez gets what he wanted and gets to face his old team. Wait a second, he just walked somebody. How could that happen?
UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: Andy’s Pettitte last two starts: 6.2 innings, 20 hits, 15 earned runs. Guess the break is coming at the right time for him.
UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Maybe Alex should get a day off once in a while. 2B, 1B, HR. That’s 29 homers and 82 RBI. Guess the slump is over. By the time he’s done this season, Steinbrenner and Moreno will have to become partners to afford him.
UPDATE, 9:49 p.m.: I’m just busting chops here but is the Hall of Fame voting for Edwar Ramirez finished yet? 1.1 innings, 2 hits, one run, one walk, one strikeout, one HBP, 23 pitches/14 strikes. He also caught a break when Chone Figgins got thrown out going to third.
UPDATE, 10:07 p.m.: Sparky Proctor has been on fire (sorry) over his last four appearances: 5 1 0 0 0 6. All this since be torched his equipment on the field back on June 30. Maybe Kyle Farnsworth should burn a pile of Field & Streams and those glasses and see what happens.
Does Damon really improve our LF defense?
good. Melky is far superior in the field, and would much rather him in CF than Damon.
Finally, Joe Torre makes a smart move in the outfield with Damon.
I think that works! I actually like this lineup…
Feeling good about tonight…
After that-not too sure…..
A question, though, is why Matsui is getting a 2nd day off in a row from the field, and right before the long All-Star break?
“Does Damon really improve our LF defense?”
probably. it’s not like Matsui is very good.
I kinda like that move, Damon is fast and so is Melky will be tougher to get balls past them with there speed.
Just find it strange that yesterday it was reversed but its really not a big deal. As currently constructed, these 9 players are the ones who have to be in there everyday, no matter who is DH-ing, there are really few options with who is in there, its just the order they are put in and with the MelkMan delivering lately, I like how it looks.
NYYFans said Matsui has a fever, thats why
he could use some cowbell
“Does Damon really improve our LF defense?”
in a word, no.
Would you go after Ichiro or just play Cabrera?
I like this lineup except for Damon leading off
hell yeah yankees07, matsui. has a feevah. and. the only perscription. is more, cowbell.
If the Yanks keep Rodriguez in the offseason do you think there will be any talk about switching him and Jeter? I believe that Jeter’s zone rating is lowest amongst AL qualifying SS, while A-Rod is having a tremendous season defensively.
Ichiro is the same age as Damon (actually a few days older). If we’ve learned anything over the past couple years, pricey veterans are not the way to rebuild another dynasty. This outfield should pretty much remain as is until Tabata is ready in 2009. Any big trades or free agent money would be best spent on first base.
If the Yanks keep Rodriguez in the offseason do you think there will be any talk about switching him and Jeter? I believe that Jeter’s zone rating is lowest amongst AL qualifying SS, while A-Rod is having a tremendous season defensively.
Jeter’s weakness though is possibly the most important part of being a 3rd baseman. I`d like to see Jeter try 1B or or the OF. How about having Phillips play third, A-Rod play SS, and Jeter play 1B. I think Jeter would be great at either the OF or 1B
torii hunter is the only one of the “big three” i’d give any thought to.
people in love with ichiro’s statistics probably aren’t watching him play on a daily basis. he’s 33 years old, and his speed will begin to decline. without that extra step, you can start subracting hits from his totals in large chunks. a big part of his game is beating out infield hits. he’ll also decline defensively as his speed begins to leave him. is he an upgrade over damon? yeah, for a couple of years. then you’re in the same spot again.
ichiro’s plate discipline is terrible, he’s a prima donna and a malcontent (not to, say, a milton bradley extent, but he’s very vocal about his dissatisfaction when he feels slighted by anyone), and as a leadoff hitter, he swings at an awful lot of ball fours looking for that extra infield single to pad his stats.
is he a great center fielder? right now, absolutely but he’s not the answer.
hunter’s two years younger, hits with more power (and from the right side of the plate, something the yankees need) and, in my opinion, he’s a better outfielder than ichiro.
as for andruw jones, let’s keep his name out of the discussion.
Mark- I doubt that woudl happen…….Alex would never hear the end of it and would have to opt at that pt.
Ichiro is the same age as Damon (actually a few days older). If we’ve learned anything over the past couple years, pricey veterans are not the way to rebuild another dynasty. This outfield should pretty much remain as is until Tabata is ready in 2009. Any big trades or free agent money would be best spent on first base.
I agree. In my dream world though we get somebody to take Giambi while payinbg a chunk of his salary and sign a guy like Aaron Rowand.
torii hunter is the only one of the “big three� i’d give any thought to.
Tori Hunter is at the same age as Damon when he signed his deal with us and has done worse than Damon had up to that point. I would definitely stay away from him. The last thing we need is another Damon
People underrate Matsuis OF ability. Not saying he’s a Gold Glove but he’s not liabilty out ther either.
Besides, Damons arm in LF is quite disguisting but oh well.
Perfect world lineup for next year.
CF Ichiro(3 YR Contract)/Damon
SS Jeter
3B A-Rod
DH Giambi/Damon
1B Teixera
LF Matsui/Damon
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Melky/Damon
Wooooooohooooooooo
Oh and Mark. Jeter isn’t going to move positions for the better of the team. His ego is too big, maybe when he’s older but now now.
You know prior to signing Damon(big mistake) I thought moving Jeter to Center Field and A-Rod to SS would of been ideal.
“torii hunter is the only one of the “big threeâ€? i’d give any thought to.
Tori Hunter is at the same age as Damon when he signed his deal with us and has done worse than Damon had up to that point. I would definitely stay away from him. The last thing we need is another Damon”
I’d stay away from Hunter. He’s a career 270 hitter and his best year is this years contract year.
I’d much rather have the better and younger Eric Byrnes.
“has done worse than Damon had up to that point.”
except for the fact that he has more range, a much better arm, and more power than damon.
outside of that, they’re pretty similar.
i’m not saying throw everything at the guy, but if they decide they “have” to go after ichiro, hunter or jones, i’d prefer to see hunter than the other two.
Anyone following the Twins/White Sox game? Check out Gameday, it’s a wild one. Garland got torched for 12 runs in 3 innings. 5 Sox errors! And it’s just the 1st game of a double header.
check this out i dont now if you can get more deceptive then this
http://www.filecabi.net/video/.....chnic.html
holy schneikies ! 20-10 ? Is this an NFL Game ???
Minnesota missed an extra point.
their kicker STINKS !!!
“Then next year you use him as a sort of super utility player at 1B, LF, CF and DH.”
during the three games a week when he isn’t bothered by his back, calves, ribs, or whatever other ailment he’s suffering from.
If the Braves don’t sign Andruw Jones and he can come on a relatively (like, 4 year) short-term deal, I wouldn’t mind the Yankees taking a shot at him. Right-handed power, right? He’s having an awful year, but players just don’t completely fall off the map like that. He is a great centerfielder with a great arm. The Yankee lineup also needs more pop next year.
finally caught the a-rod thread posted earlier today.
i didn’t know that about the team USA thing. good stuff, pete.
Andrew, Jones is getting kind of old though.
Jones will probably want a 6-7-8 year contract. Stay away from that ticking time bomb.
Ichiro or Byrnes will be the play for 3-4 year contracts.
Damon needs to learn 1B, his arm in the OF is really vomit inducing.
i’d pass on all three (hunter jones and ichiro) they are going to be too old as for hunter he will fall apart as a result of his style of play … i’d like to give the job to melk man and hope and wait tabata and or action jackson are the real thing come 2009
nope that kicker is is good its 20-11
Andrew,
No way you get Andrew for a reduced price and a four year K. In all liklihood, you get him for a one year deal and he isn’t worth the loss of picks.
Moving Damon out of the OF is better than moving Jeter out of his natural position and moving Damon out of his. Jeter will move to 1B in 3 years and Damon will be a memory. Our line up next year, realistically will be:
Damon 1B
Melky CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi DH
Posada C
Matsui LF
Abreu/Gardner RF
Cano 2B
Pitchers:
Pettitte
Wang
Hughes
Moose
Chamberlin
Good move by Torre to put Damon in left… great move
This is really a fun exercise and I know a lot of you want to blow up this team, but really, you want Jeter, Matsui, and Damon to all learn new positions? You get the same offensive production, but surely the defense will suffer while they learn on the job.
On Colin’s show this morning they were asking what event changed your favorite franchise forever. Of course someone brought up Dave Roberts’ stolen base, but Buster Olney said that if Houston had taken Jeter instead Nevin in the ’92 draft Houston would’ve had something special for years with the Killer B’s. First Torre, now Jeter, who’re you going to turn on next? Posada when he goes 0-40 and can’t throw out Fasano? Mo cuz he’s “losing it”? If the Yankees weren’t underperforming, nobody would be griping about this roster which is basically the same one that made it to the post-season year after year.
The points above saying Ichiro being a primadona and malcontent, where does that come from?? His issues have been about the lack of commitment from Mariners ownership and the players. That is not a malcontent, that is someone speaking their mind that they want to win and are not satisfied with the status quo.
Ichiro will age and slow down like everyone else, but he is a tremendous athlete that keeps himself in top condition. I’d take him for 3years only with this in mind. Only other CF I’m interested in that will be a free agent is Rowland.
just because they were good in the past doesn’t mean they will be good now. Age catches up to all players and you have to plan for that. You cannot have a repeat of Bernie, circa 2003-2005, as much as I love him as a Yankee. You need to groom future stars and need to move players as needs arise. Jeter has continually lost range as the years have progressed. He is long enough and fast enough to play either OF or 1B and Damon and Matsui are intelligent and athletic enough to learn new roles that better suit their declining capabilities rather than hold off younger players better at what they do simply for nostalgia. And yes, even if we were 20 games over 500, if Damon and Abreu were performing similarily and the bullpen was a poor and torre was as foolish, intelligent fans should see that there is still a purple elephant in the room that needs to addressed for current and long term success.
I just think they should sign Tyler Kepner as their new #5 starter. Probably work up to #3 by next July. And he’s not afraid to throw at Boston players, which is a big plus.
Why is the elephant purple? Maybe it should be a purple cow, in honor of George’s alma mater?
“The points above saying Ichiro being a primadona and malcontent, where does that come from?? His issues have been about the lack of commitment from Mariners ownership and the players. That is not a malcontent, that is someone speaking their mind that they want to win and are not satisfied with the status quo.
Ichiro will age and slow down like everyone else, but he is a tremendous athlete that keeps himself in top condition. I’d take him for 3years only with this in mind. Only other CF I’m interested in that will be a free agent is Rowland.”
1. they tried to move ichiro to CF for several years because their CF options were limited, and they felt it would be far easier to go out and find a decent RF. he refused to move, up until last season. he effectively limited the mariners flexibility because he made it abundantly clear in the press that he would not move to CF. for somebody who supposedly was so irate about the mariners inability to sign big free agents and be competitive, he was awfully reluctant to help them out.
2. you’re not getting ichiro for three years. they couldn’t even get damon to agree to a three-year deal, what makes you think you’re going to get ichiro to take one?
Colon will have a career night – in terms of dominating the Yanks that is.
ABOUT TIME! I’ve been arguing about this for a while—get Damon in LF (His speed helps cover death valley but his arm doesn’t kill you in LF). How does it NOT help…Damon can cover more ground here than Godzilla.
Matsui’s routes this year to balls have left something to be desired. I like him at DH… as for Giambi, who knows. Giambi has one more year left, but ….
Abreu’s option will not be picked up. There is no way they will pick that up. As for who the Yanks get in the offseason… Andruw Jones (having terrible year), Ichiro, Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand will be mentioned. Jones old? He was 20 in 1996 when he became the youngest to HR in a WS game. Do the math. Whoever they get, I hope they don’t give more than a three year deal. Tabata in 2011 for sure (let’s remember he is at A ball now, and still a month away from turning 19).
Now for a 1b…(and backup C).
Ichiro could be a 20-30 HR hitter, but he chooses not too. He has “old guy” skills, he just doesn’t show them because he wants to be the perfect hitter AT THIS POINT IN time.
Read his biography. It is telling. If you gave me a choice of Jones, Hunter, Ichiro, Damon, and I had to pick which guy would be useful in 5 years. I’d take ichiro every time.
“.. they tried to move ichiro to CF for several years because their CF options were limited, and they felt it would be far easier to go out and find a decent RF. he refused to move, up until last season. he effectively limited the mariners flexibility because he made it abundantly clear in the press that he would not move to CF…”
1. Not my take at all on what happened, my take is he agreed to do it in 2006 when Mariners asked him.
2. “you’re not getting ichiro for three years. they couldn’t even get damon to agree to a three-year deal, what makes you think you’re going to get ichiro to take one..”
How do you know?? My point is this, if Ichiro insists on >
3 years ago, I walk away. I agree with you too much of a risk.
Nick,
I see what you’re saying, and even though Jeter’s lost range I don’t think it’s time to put him out to pasture yet. He still hitting pretty well and can still make some pretty spectacular defensive plays. Of course, everyone (including Damon) realizes that Melky is better than JD in the outfield.
I know there are newer and shinier models out there, but the declining players of the “past” are not the reason the team is struggling this year. Along with Alex, you have Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo, and even Clemens doing what they’ve always done.
A deal I’d consider is Melky and Farnsworth to Philly for Aaron Rowand provided the Yankees can sign Rowand to a multi year deal seeing as he’s a free agent after this year. I’d even throw in Mike Myers as a bonus then call up Chris Britton from AAA.
Mel,
Jeter’s abilities at the plate have never been questioned. And his ‘spectacular’ plays are some that others make without the flash and a perfect example was the jump throw yesterday. It is still a thing of beauty but it was not that deep in the hole that he should have made it so close.
Jeter’s UZR is last in the AL, LAST.
And the declining players are of course the reason. We are horrific when Abreu is off and when Damon starts swinging like a rag doll we can’t seem to get the offense going. Its great that Pettitte, Wang and Clemens have been giving us what we expect but Moose has been off, and we have no 5th because of the injuries and the rushing of younger pitchers.
Please god, lets not trade a better player in Melky for Rowand. Farns for Rowand is fine, why give up a better defender and a better PPA player for Rowand.
A deal I’d consider is Melky and Farnsworth to Philly for Aaron Rowand provided the Yankees can sign Rowand to a multi year deal seeing as he’s a free agent after this year. I’d even throw in Mike Myers as a bonus then call up Chris Britton from AAA.
No way, Melky will be a good reliable player for years to come. Rowand is a FA after the season anyway. Wait for then and then sign him
i’m not sure this is so much a statement on testing out damon in LF as it is a statement that melky is hands down our best CFer and damon is a horrible CFer. there was no way anyone other than melky was going to play center against the angels who ALWAYS take lots of extra bases off of our weak OF arms. if matsui is feeling sick as NYYFans says, damon is probably just filling the gap where it needs filling…
Mel,
You do realize those plays are spectacular because of his lack of range right? Normal short stops make Jeter’s plays flat flooted.
Pete there is no reason for the Yankees to spend money on one of te OF free agents. They will be getting too much money and a long contract, which is what is crippling this team right now. Cabrera is starting to heat up at the plate now that he is getting consistant playing time, and he is still very young and cheap too.
Mike S.
In my opinion Tabata will be ready way before 2011. He is hitting over .300 in the FSL as a freakin’ 18yr old. That is seriously something special and if he keeps it up he might find himself in Trenton by the end of the year. So then in ’08 he’s in Trenton, and you figure he gets a little seasoning in Scranton at the end of the year. That puts him on track for a major league debut sometime in 2009. Don’t know if it will work that way, but I sure hope it does.
Anyone going to Old Timers Game tomorrow?
Damon can cover plenty of ground when healthy. One has to assume he’ll have healthy legs next year and putting him in LF is a great idea in that respect. Matsui shifts to right, Cabrera stays in CF.
I assume they will also be shopping Giambi this offseason. His contract expires, they can get at least one decent prospect in return.
Prospectively, we’ll have to add a new 3B and possibly a new OF. One or the other should be addressed on the FA market, no more.
Miguel Cabrera would be a nice replacement if A-Rod ditches NY for more money…yes, more money, that would be the only reason and the very reason I will start hating and cursing him. Stand up to Boras if you really want to stay in NY. Simple as that.
I don’t agree with going out and overpaying (which NY will be forced to do) for someone like Torii Hunter, Ichiro, or god forbid, Andruw Jones. What’s the point?
Any money spent on the FA market should go strictly toward the bullpen (including Rivera), tying up Posada for a few years (with a shift to 1B or DH in mind), and at least one SP that is not named Zambrano.
Next Year:
LF: Johnny Damon
CF: Melky Cabrera
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: A-Rod (prayer) or Miguel Cabrera
DH: FA
RF: Matsui
C: Posada
2B: Cano
1B: Andy Phillips or some other fill-in
SP: Wang
SP: Pettitte
SP: Hughes
SP: Mussina (hopefully we can trade him)
SP: ??? FA
Bullpen: Only God Knows…
Rivera
Anyone going to Old Timers Game tomorrow?
My grandpa is
Oh so we have a comedian huh Mike?? LOL
Seriously i’m curious, it is going to be one long day
The Yankees need to throw no less than a kajillion billion dollars at A-Rod this off season. if he leaves they are one of the worst teams in baseball
Larry Matsui does not have the arm for RF
Can Andy catch a break? A good one, I mean.
I agree with Kasey about the centerfielders – I wouldn’t touch Andruw Jones (going downhill), Ichiro will not age gracefully, and I while I really like Hunter’s play, I wouldn’t break the bank (a Giambi-type contract) for him. We don’t need to get saddled with more big, unmovable (in the event it doesn’t work out) contracts.
I just heard about the comments that JP Ricciardi made about AJ Burnett’s heart (or lack thereof), now that Burnett is on the DL again. What is it about ex-Marlin pitchers? And why can’t Beckett catch it?
Can Andy catch a break?
Now watch as he is hit by a LD comebacker that breaks his arm ending his season
“1. Not my take at all on what happened, my take is he agreed to do it in 2006 when Mariners asked him.”
no offense, but your take on it is incorrect. they asked him to consider it as early as 2004. they asked him again in 2005. both times, he refused, and much was made of it during mariners broadcasts on KOMO and its affiliates.
when he did shift to CF in 2006, it was NOT because the team asked him. ichiro approached hargrove about it late in a game, long after they’d been eliminated from any contention, telling hargrove he was “ready.”
Riccardi is a freaking idiot…I mean he’s the one who signed the injury-prone pitcher to a 5yr deal and now he’s complaining that the guy is oft-injured. It’s just ludicrous. Oh well, as long as Riccardi is the GM of the Jays they will suck, which is great for the Yankees.
Damn Andy
He was getting into a nice groove.
and, gosh, isn’t it a funny coincidence that when ichiro did decide he was “ready” to try out CF, it came a couple months before his contract year, so he could play CF full time in his walk year, thus making him even more attractive to suitors. funny how that stuff works.
Let’s see if the Angels showcase Jose Molina while they’re in town. Give ‘em Farnsworth in a straight up deal. Nieves is a waste of a roster spot.
You know, I don’t always scroll up to Pete’s updates, so when I saw all the mention of “Andy” I was more than a little concerned that Andy PETTITTE was having a problem. So, not that I’m happy that Andy Phillips has a stiff neck, I’m really glad it wasn’t Andy Pettitte.
Liz,
If Matsui doesn’t have the arm for Right Field then why is he in LF? They are both arguably as difficult as the other…and do not forget that Melky will have defensive priority and can help in LCF and RCF.
I would be fine with Matsui at DH or keeping him in LF and going after an FA, putting Damon at 1B, but not at the expense of dumping ludicrous amounts of money on an FA OF. MAKES NO SENSE.
In terms of A-Rod and doing anything to keep him around, I disagree. The Yankees will survive with out A-Rod and Cashman will have plenty of money to play around with if this is the case. Trade for and sign Miguel Cabrera. He has the mentality for NY…cocky and capable.
Going back to previous comments, why pay more than 27 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO KEEP A-ROD IN NY?!!!!! If it is all about money to keep him in NY, then don’t let the door hit your backside on your way out.
NOTE: I LOVE A-ROD. But when it comes to money and pro athletes, it is an unforgiveable crime to ask for more when you are already the highest paid player.
Yeah cause that lofty .231 avg, 2bb, 28 so, .245 obp, 0 hr, 6 rbi are great.
Liz,
If Matsui doesn’t have the arm for Right Field then why is he in LF? They are both arguably as difficult as the other…and do not forget that Melky will have defensive priority and can help in LCF and RCF.
I would be fine with Matsui at DH or keeping him in LF and going after an FA, putting Damon at 1B, but not at the expense of dumping ludicrous amounts of money on an FA OF. MAKES NO SENSE.
In terms of A-Rod and doing anything to keep him around, I disagree. The Yankees will survive with out A-Rod and Cashman will have plenty of money to play around with if this is the case. Trade for and sign Miguel Cabrera. He has the mentality for NY…confident and capable.
Going back to previous comments, why pay more than 27 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO KEEP A-ROD IN NY?!!!!! If it is all about money to keep him in NY, then don’t let the door hit your backside on your way out.
NOTE: I LOVE A-ROD. But when it comes to money and pro athletes, it is an unforgiveable crime to ask for more when you are already the highest paid player.
If we are going to trade Kyle, we can get someone better than Jose.
1) Jeter is not switching positions anytime soon
2) Yanks aren’t trading for people who will be FA at the end of the year
3) Phillips will not be their starting 1B next year
4) Melky will once again be their 4th outfielder
from the seattle times, aug. 21, 2006:
“That happened in the eighth inning of Saturday’s loss. Snelling tripled in his pinch-hit at-bat, and after that, Ichiro approached Hargrove.
“Looking at the situation, I went up — myself — and said, ‘I’m willing to play,’ based on the situation,” Ichiro said through translator Ken Barron.”
Ichiro has been in the states for 7 years and he still can’t speak english?
Sweet. Only good things happen when Marvelous Miguel Cairo plays 1B.
Good karma baby.
BTW people stop underrating Matsui defense. He’s no Gold Glover but he’s no liability out there either.
a RF needs to have the strongest arm to prevent people going 1st to 3rd HUGE difference
no way the Yanks get Cabrera without trading Hughes with Chamberlain or Cano at the very least people don’t give talent like that away for nothing
Miguel Cabrera is awesome and he would certainly lessen the impact of losing A-rod. That being said, Cabrera is also fat and getting fatter and therefore may be best suited for DH/1B duty in a few years.
For anyone –
Kasey is right about Ichiro. I remember reading about the M’s approaching him about CF for years.
“Apparently the M’s are mulling an Ichiro-to-center, Ibanez-to-right (uh oh), and the human growth hormone tandum of Matt Lawton/Mike Morse in left. If Ichiro refuses, as he has done in the past…”
from a mariners blog, posted in may of 2006.
alright, enough mariners talk. sorry.
Well, I’ll tell you all this much:
As long as Bobby Abreu is not in RF next year, I am a happy man. When you think about it, quite a bit of money could roll off the ole payroll this offseason: Giambi, Abreu, Clemens, Farnsworth, A-Rod.
That gives us a lot more money to work with.
With respect to not giving Miguel Cabrera up for free, the Yankees would obviously have to trade them some prospects, but it wouldn’t necessarily mean Hughes. After all, Florida won’t re-sign him.
Need a big win tonight
On the other hand, if Cabrera becomes a fat slob and is moved to 1B, big deal, we still got the bat.
And, we can go after a 3B for 09.
Some of y’all were thinking Bernie was the answer in the OF. Love the guy, but … nope.
Matsui’s getting ragged on way too much by morons who think they’ve got the answers from years of experience in a fantasy league. Yes Matsui’s had a slump. But he’s probably going to be about .290+/20+/100+ by the end of the year for a few more years at least. Defensively he’s not a liability. He’s not an all-star lock anymore and he’s never been a track star, but he’s still an above average OF. Phelps at 1B? Damon’s arm? Now there’s a pair of defensive liabilities.
Damon as the 4th outfielder/DH is an interesting idea. Keeps his arm out of the outfield, keeps his bat in the lineup, keeps Giambi’s butt on the bench (PH instead of DH) and keeping Damon’s OF injuries down also keeps his bat in it a little more. Everyone hits better when they’re healthy.
Andruw Jones? Nope. Too much $$$ for value, won’t hustle as much as Matsui and we need hustle.
Tori Hunter? Nice D but he’s a little over rated at the plate. This year (so far) being the exception his career offensive stats aren’t as good as Matsui’s career stats. I could see him taking Damon’s place but not Matsui’s.
Abreu? Well if he doesn’t get traded I hope he gets hot in the second half. Then … see ya!
For the next few years at least, an aging Ichiro will still be a better OF than any one of Matsui, Damon, Abreu, Jones (except for his power)and Hunter, all of whom will also age. I like the idea of offering him 3 years, but he’ll want more. OK, go with 3 and a couple option years (and incentive bonuses) as long as he can still git-r-done. An OF of Matsui, Melky, Ichiro with Damon as backup/DH would be fine with most of us and not fine with the rest of the AL. And when Damon’s done … Tabata or KT, or whoever’s ready with what it takes to fill the jockstrap.
BTW, when Ichiro is 72yrs old he’ll still have a better arm than Damon did at 32. If you think he’s getting slow, put Ichiro in RF and leave Melky in CF.
Realize Tabata is very young. Will he be ready by ’09? Yeah Jones came up at 19 but he was rare breed. Who can really predict that from Tabata? He’s ready when he’s ready. Five years from now he’ll still be only 23. We’re not going to see the best of Melky for a few more years either … he’s still only 22!
Someone suggested movnig Jeter to any other position? Nope. IMO, the team is better with A-Rod at 3rd and Jeter at SS rather than the other way around. IMO, A-Rod being the slightly more skilled overall athlete was better suited to make the switch to 3B, so the tandem works better this way. Also important, it was what they were both willing to do.
Ranting Guy,
According to zone ratings, Matsui has been a below average left fielder this year. And don’t tell me that he drives in 100+. RBI=one of the most overrated stats in baseball.
Mark and Ranting Guy,
Matsui is not overrated and reaching 100 RBI this year is not hard to imagine…look at his career in MLB.
Ranting,
All your statements are great except the one about using Giambi as a PH. No team will EVER pay over $20 million a year for a full time pinch hitter. Trade him, he can be traded even if the Yankees have to eat part of his salary.
“RBI=one of the most overrated stats in baseball.”
I think RBI’s are more of an important stat then Home Runs.
RBI is much too dependent on what your team does. A better measure of a hitter would be slugging and OPS
yea scoring runs is overrated we should only look at ops
Matsui’s slugging and OBP have gone down every year since 2004(excluding last season).
Larry –
I totally agree with you on Giambi but his contract seems un-movable. If we could move him, even if by eating most of his contract, I’d be thrilled. But assuming that’s very unlikely I thought limiting him to a PH (and very part time DH) role would allow him do us the least amount of net harm.
Still, even as a $20M PH he’s be a steal compared to Pavano.
Yes, Matsui may be going through a bit of a funk right now but I’ve been thinking all along that he’ll be good for a few more years. Got that Mark?
On the radio pre-game Suzyn Waldman interviewed Kevin Whelan. Main point to me: Whelan has been on Cano lately to come to the ballpark earlier to work on some things. So after a half season of failure, Cano isn’t concerned enough to do extra work–he has to be cajoled by a kindly-sounding Whelan. Why bother being a fan?
Jennifer-
does the stadium smell like Bengay® on Ole Timers Day ??
LET’S-GO-ED-WAR!
J,
People use RBI way too much in order to justify that somebody is having a good or great season. That is all I meant by my comment.
Larry-
_Trade him, he can be traded even if the Yankees have to eat part of his salary._
Maybe Giambi will eat part of the contract, if the Yanks stick it inside a BigMac.
Mark – Every year since 2004? Well, with with last season being excused because of his injury and this season being only half over, that leaves only one year – 2005.
That’s like … if a team wins one game, then it loses one game, then it’s down on run or two in the 4th inning of the next game, saying the season’s over because of a losing streak.
Susan do y ou mean Kevin LONG?? Not sure that Kevin Whalen would be the one to get Cano tot he ballpark early
susan mullen-
This is torre’s fault
Mr. “I got four rings and I am going to the HOF” cant’ order a 3rd year player to work out any problems.
your post wasn’t clear: so is Cano coming to the park early or not?
Absolutely I mean Kevin Long, not Whelan. Thanks.
oh arod
Dr. Acula,
That is rad. Or maybe they could burn his contract and put it in the amphetamines he enjoys.
Serious Question:
Would any of you be really angry if A-Rod opts out of this contract for more money when he has been saying all season that he wants to stay in NY?
MONEY!?!?!?!?! The guy needs more MONEY??????????? For what, a swimming pool made out of Benjamins!!!!!!
If you don’t want to play in NY, stop saying you do. I am not saying he doesn’t, but with all his chatter about it this season, he is really setting himself up to be the money-goat.
ha
Geesh watch the game and stop whining about A-rod opt out clause.
Yes!!!
arod is not running well at all
Nice play and scores by Arod and Matsui.
Cano with another hit. Cano has finally start getting some hits in the last games. Nice play
Andy finally got come much deserved run support…
If ARod flys out to the all-star game, will he give Jorge and Jetes a lift? Or do they have to fly out commercial?
Angels just got to their hotel room at 5:00 am this morning after beating Rangers last night. I believe they only won one game against Rangers. Not sure
Let’s go Red Sox, bash those Tigers.
at the end of the 2nd inning, YES panned the upper tier, and there’s alotta empty blue seats.
looks like pettitte won’t waste any time giving the lead back. good stuff.
I don’t think there is a premiere free agent worth signing…
torii hunter is a great center fielder…but the contracts are going to be so high — we already have damon making too much… lets not make another mistake.
in the 90′s they won with players — not overpaid superstars…
too bad our minor league system has very limited offensive help.. but i like guys like Casey Kotchman, Casey Blake, etc – solid ball players who dont demand monster contracts and make solid contact.
Food for thought?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLiMOATalvI
Andy letting the 7-8-9 hitters beat him.
so much for the last outting being a fluke
Jennifer:
Scan the major league rosters and come up with somebody better than Jose Molina to back up Jorge. The whole world knows Nieves is not the answer. Not the greatest stick but like his brothers Yadier and Benjie, he is good defensively.
Can someone tell Cabera to clean his helmet!
and there it is. had cabrera 0-2 with two outs and gives up the two-run double.
and, of course, it happens the half-inning after they handed him the lead. has pettitte been working closely with mussina?
Thata boy Andy
this doesn’t look good
I think we should get Sal back. I think he is floating around. Why not he won’t cost us anything.
I hear the fans starting to boo
See Andy this is why you don’t question your teammates effort to the public b/c the same can be said of you when you have a bad stretch of games.
And so much for that feel good moment that the Yanks were ahead.
Again, how many MF times have our pitchers immediately given up the lead in the next inning or next half of the inning. This is just crap.
lol Jennifer clean his helmet
Now lets see what this Cabrera can do here
We will get those runs back, no worries.
Can anyone understand this guy?? Why does Kay have to go Yeah, Uh huh?? It is hard enough trying to figure out what he is saying.
“Again, how many MF times have our pitchers immediately given up the lead in the next inning or next half of the inning. This is just crap.”
i’ve wondered the same thing numerous times. they have to be at or near the league lead in giving up runs the half-inning after the offense has scored.
Nice Jeter
Arod will hit a homerun.
Close Jen
What I meant was Alex would hit a base hit.
This audio portion of the game is BRUTAL!
Tell them to wait until the Angels are up to do this!
Andy’s should be 9-1 if not for Yankees stinking bullpen and Yankees not scoring runs for him. Give him slack , you Yankees hater… He’s been consistent all season long.
Bases loaded. Arod we need you to stay man. I don’t care what Pete says
This has to be the worst interview in the history of baseball.
If the media gets off Alex’s back he’ll stay.
I am the biggest Andy supporter, but let Figgins, Cabrera, or Vlad beat you. Not the bottom of the order before them.
Kay is really reaching for questions now.
“This audio portion of the game is BRUTAL!”
i actually find it kind of comical. kay clearly can not understand a word these folks are saying and he’s throwing out “uh huh” and “mmhmm” left and right. it’s painful to listen to.
colon is giving us this game, pettitte better find his groove and fast
Oh thank god that interview is over.
We need Jorge to smack one out, do damage before Colon leaves.
Can anything be MORE umcomfortable than this interview Kay is doing with the Chinese Baseball people. That doesnt even take into account the Wang question, I would think a lot of the Wang fans from Taiwan would take issue with the question and the answer given.
My predictions are a little off, but close nonetheless.
Jennifer I agree. Sometimes I think the media enjoy placing anything negative about Arod or his family as headlines just to get Yankee fans to dislike him more and not care if he leaves. It’s obvious they are either obsessed with the man or hate him enough to run him off and have fans think Yankees are better off. He’s having a good year and they still won’t get off his back.
What was the Wang question and answer?
Another player having a good year. Posada has been hitting well. Another threat to pitchers
I missed what was the answer. Basically what I got was they really don’t know Yankee baseball.
Oh and I found one more thing more annoying than that interview. This McDonalds commercial.
This is going to like the Viking / Bears game today.
Final score of that game was 20-14
Here are some easy RBI for Abreu to pick up.
There’s a _Billion_ people in China, surely someone there is better than Farnsy
Strap it on tonight… Could be like the TWins/Whitesox game earlier today….
Who do the Yankees have as their kicker? Hope they can use Vinitari!
DET 2, BOS 1
TOR 5, CLE 2
This McDonalds commercial.
Ketchup and Mayo!
Ketchup and Mayo!
That McDonalds commercial should go with that interview….AWAY….FAR AWAY
2007 Yankees I saw that score. Looked like a football game instead of a baseball game.
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Lol Co. Yank
Kay asked how popular Wang was in China and the guy (China baseball guy) said yes he is from Chinese Taipei (sp??) and then said something unitelligable. Not that Kay would know all the political goings on between the 2 countries BUT it was a cringe moment.
Yeah TJ, they got a week out of the Cynthia story. I mean enough is enough. So she wore a dirty shirt to the stadium. Did that really warrent a front page? Or a follow up story with a writer trying to go to the stadium. The poor guy who was afraid to go tell Cynthia to change her shirt was probably fired.
And the thing that really got me was they kept saying it was visable to thousands, I’d like to know who has vision that good to read it from anymore than a few rows away. It was in fancy script so people 3 rows away probably couldn’t figure out what it said.
They should find out who took the picture and ban them fromt he stadium.
No outs and our batters have been hitting well. Lets keep it going
T.J.-
ARod is today’s Maris and Jetes is today’s Mickey, even though Jetes isn’t colorful.
Hmmm may only be one night but anyone get the feeling that those “seeing eye” singles have started to appear?
Scary…
T.J.-
ARod is today’s Maris and Jetes is today’s Mickey, even though Jetes isn’t colorful.
To a degree I guess. Though A-Rod is the more talented Mantle. A-Rod has also become more supported by the fans lately.
Did my eyes just deceieve me?? or did I just see a suicide squeeze?
Did that seriously just happen!?!!
This is EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN!
a SQUEEZE bunt!!!
That will earn Cairo the starting job for another week at least
Sah-weeeeeeeeeeet !
I agree Jennifer. It’s obvious the media want the man to leave. But if he does they will find another target because it seems they get more attention writing tabloid stories. Granted if Paris Hilton ever attends a Yankee game Fox news my make aa breaking news report just to get readers.
Jennifer did you also read where they ran an article of some place selling custom t-shirts saying F &*& U CRod or something like that. They were advertising the shirt and you can buy it for like 15 bucks I think. I think enough is enough and to attack the wife is below the lowest.
gayle-
That was a LOL moment. And Kay reads the papers, he has to be aware of reunification issues. I’m surprised Kay didn’t ask about take-out food.
Hip Hip Jorge!!!
Let’s go Tigers, bash those Red Sox.
We may score 20 tonight on the Angels. Rangers gave Angels are hard time too. If they just got to their hotels this morning at 5:00 am no doubt these guys are still tired and jet lagged like Yankees were when they traveled across the time zone weeks ago.
Yeah TJ I read that the other day. Enough is enough. Leave his family alone. Cythina should wear a shirt that says fu nypost.
Yankees batters are ready for battle. I think we are seeing a different team and will be ready for battle after the break. I feel a woot coming on.
Tim Salmon for the Trivia question?
killer squeeze play.
a five-run lead ought to buy pettitte at least an inning. you’d hope, anyway.
i’m out for the night.
100 bucks Pettitte will give all those runs back right now.
Cya Kasey
Next will probably be the kid. That’s when I stop reading at all and use the mute button when watching the games. Enough is enough
Blue Jays trying to stick it to the Indians. Let’s go Indians and Tigers
What is with all these idiots who come on this blog? I can’t believe Tampa Bay actually has fans, and we are graced with his presence. I guess we should feel honored since there are so few of them.
Night Casey
Blue Jays trying to stick it to the Indians. Let’s go Indians and Tigers
Indians? They’re first in the WC
Squeeze play? Wow, could Joe be managing, finally?
Wait, who spiked his green tea???????
LOL Tampa Bay is still trying to catch up. I guess they feel not getting enough attention this season.
2-0 Devil Rays. I guess they are feelin a win and it feels good Jennifer. Lol!
I’m so happy for Andy. He’s finally getting some run support.
T.J.-
ARod’s lil’ girl is a Doll
Colorado Yank-
Torre may be auditioning for return to StL.
Auh how cute
Two arod fans.
Hint Hint, don’t judge a poster by his/her covername.
Marcus Thames just hit a Grand Slam. Tavarez was bound to come back to earth some time. Tigers leading 8-1.
Whatever dude. I’m not going to play guessing games.
Is Pettitte going to have a season l;ike Mussina did last year?
Andy is not sharp tonight.
Oh, my god this could get ugly real fast
wow, is andy all done?
he seems shot
Andy is NOT sharp tonight ??? REALLY ??? OK,,who out there thinks that it is NOT GOOD MANAGING…NO MATTER WHO YOU HAVE IN THE BULLPEN…to leave your starter in ALMOST ALWAYS right up to the point where he has completely blown the lead ( and often, even turned a lead into a defecit ? ) Am I the only one who is noticing this TORRE Strategy ???
OK…and it is NOT news that TAVAREZ STINKS !!!
What’s going on with Andy ?:(
It is time for Igawa and his twin Andy Pettitte to go back to where they came from.
I love the way Peter and Kay jump Melky when the fault lies with Pettitte.
Lol! Jennifer @ two Arod fans comment
I’ve seen Gary Matthews play when he was a Ranger. He’s usually good in the outfield
That WAS Melky’s fault.
Pettitte’s probably going through a dead-arm period. He has made every single start this season, he could probably use a rest.
Unfortunately, the Yankees can’t afford to give him one. I would like to see Alan Horne (2.13 ERA in AA) given a shot, just to give Andy a well-deserved rest.
Don’t they realize that Jorge, Jeter and Alex will all be flying on Air Arod to San Fran. LOL
Guess Jorge is emptying out the tank in front of the All-Star break (Can’t believe Pudge beat him out to start)
Nice hustle!
LOL Jennifer.
Jorge deserves to be the starter.
I heard him on the pregame, he wants to being his son on the field. Do they also announce the reserves. I think it would be so cute, if he had Jorge Jr. run on the field with him again.
I keep asking about Dougie but never got an answer from Pete. Anyone knows how he’s doing?
I think for the All-Star game they announce everyone – - – because THIS TIME, IT COUNTS
Melky didn’t give up multiple hits.
I think they do announce the reserves also. I hope they do. I had everyone here voting for Jorge even convinced some older ladies who don’t watch baseball to vote for Jorge online. LOL! As much as I’m a big fan of Pudge, Jorge was having the better season and I really wanted him as a starter.
MIGGY!! WOO HOO.
I heard or read somewhere that he is down in Fla rehabbing.
Total bs, he touched the side of the bag.
jennifer-
we don’t know that. I defend ARod all the time, so there’s no beef here, but something tell me Jorge and Jetes will be flying commerical. Which isn’t bad, unless they get caught in a long flight delay.
WHAT THE HECK?!?!
Who needs Dougie?
Even Cairo is a better 1Bman.
Well maybe Jeter will. But I think Arod will let Jorge fly air arod.
Kevin Long, better get Cano to report early.
jennifer-
I’m just jealous, I dying to check out the flight attendants on “friendly skies” of AirRod.
Whoa what is going on with ANdy?
I think we need to get the pen up.
Lol Jennifer at Rangers expense.
Ouch!! Poor Jorge, he got smacked on the shoulder.
That is just brutal. How the heck can he screw that up!!! I’m surprised Bowa didn’t tackle him.
Nice job by Pettitte too. You should never throw the team under the bus and then put out this kind of effort.
The Rangers still pay for it? LOL
Did Torre forget to pay the phone bill for the bullpen??
Nice job CANO…what a BONEHEAD move !!!….C’mon, how hard is it to touch all the bases when there is NO PLAY ON YOU AT ALL…..TRADE HIM NOW !! ( I may be overreacting ! ) How about leaving Andy in until the Angels have tied it up though….THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO…..He has given up 6 runs in 6 innings…WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THE HOOK ??? DANG !!! Torre REALLY needs to go ASAP !!!
Joe just wants the Angels to tie this game.
what’s with the harping on melky? i mean i realize he messed up, and it was costly, but the YES cameras were on him for a loooong time, the broadcasters can’t stop talking about it, and now pete posts on it. how many times over the last few years have damon and bernie cost us bases by their pathetic arms? you never saw the YES crew and cameras hammering those two. i would think that for all the bases melky has saved us, he should be given a bit more leeway when he makes a mistake.
UGH, this is a UGLY game.
After a great play, a crappy throw.
Well now we get to see Edwar again.
Talk about money. There’s some rich team owners in the state of Texas. Cowboys Jerry Jones would let Michael Irvin and other players take his private jet places and to games. A former pilot had some good stories to tell.
Mark Cuban not really a bad guy. He likes to take families that had never been to a Mavericks game on is private Jet to away games. He’s even provided free food to the fans who came to the games. Sometimes he would give a section free to fans.
Give me a break – can we play some fundamental baseball please? Thank god Pettitte finally got taken out.
Hey Joe only two more runs until you can go to the pen what are you doing out there
Kewl…Andy can’t field hit position NOR can he pitch…HE REALLY NEEDS TO QUESTION this rest of the team…right ? Try catching the ball THEN reaching for the bag…. WAIT A MINUTE…it’s 9-7 with the tying run at the plate and he gets the HOOK ??? WHAT IS GOING ON ??? Let him give up the HOMER, JOE !!!
Alan-
how’s the pizza??
The Yankees tied down the Angels in the middle of the road on a lonely bride, hit a nail, popped their tire, and rode straight off the side of the bridge. God I hate the Angels.
Gardenhire probably wouldn’t have let Andy back out for the 5th let alone give up 7 runs
I think we could be looking at another high scoring game. Both teams are fighting but the errors are giving the Angles scores.
This game is getting ugly.
It was clear from the very begining that Andy wasn’t sharp, so why push it? Pull him and get a fresh arm in. Now we are only up by 2.
Pizza…DANG…I FORGOT THE PIZZA !!!
Ramierz will be pitching with a vengeance tonight.
Yanks are gonna lose this one… still no outs. Wait till the big gun come in the bullpen for the Angels, it’s over. They will take the lead this inning.
No Walks No Walks
Alan time for you to get a pizza. Make that two. Hell I may even order one
Oh god, can Kay be anymore lame?
I think Kay just tried to make a joke
I am SO SICK of us finding a way to lose to the FREAKIN’ ANGELS….I am stuck out here in SOCAL and sporting my NY garb, I am constantly heckled and deservedly so….I would be willing to BET THE FARM that the Angels come back an win this DANG GAME and I TOTALLY HOPE I AM WRONG….but after having CANO erase a run and a rally by being an IDIOT …then TORRE,,,not willing to be outdone, leaves Andy the MOUTH in WAY TOO LONG….we can easily find a way to make this all work out for the FREAKIN’ ANGELS…DANG, DANG…TRIPLE DOG DANG !!!!!!!!!!
T.J.
what’s up with Cuban’s hair-do ? I didn’t know Salons carried a bowl large enough to cover his head.
J.K., but I did love it when Trump recently berated him on ESPN.
Posada s*cks. His game calling is horrendous. I hope Yankees don’t resign this bum. I don’t care about How’s great a hitter Posada is?
I hope Yankees don’t resign Posada, get extrade draft pick for him in the draft.
Damn
I really really hate Chone Friggin Figgins
SEE…what did I tell ya….GAME OVER….
UGH tie game
figures that run that Cano should have scored comes back to bite us.
What did He say? Kay’s is most annoying broadcaster, I hope Yankees fired him already…
Once again a walk kills us. Can’t give the Angels freebes.
i hate figgins.
The game isn’t over! It is only the 6th inning.
jennifer – the yankees were lucky to face colon.. they wont be scoring a million runs off their bullpen. the angels will off ours.
Phew, now we take back the lead.
sorry for the LOL but the “Triple Dog Dang” made it hard for me not too. sitting at work bored, tensed over the game and trying to get out of taking a friend who said she wants to see the movie Knocked Up. I’m a Transformer type of guy. This gave me a laugh.
What did He say? Kay’s is most annoying broadcaster, I hope Yankees fired him already…
AT that point Edwar hadn’t allowed a ball in play so Kay made a lame joke about how he didn’t need the D at the end of his name (Edwar instead of Edward) because he didn’t need Defense (D). FUnny isn’t it
kay made what is quite possibly one of his worst jokes. he was talking about how ramirez had so many strikeouts in the minors. then, he said the reason he spells his first name without the “d” is because he doesn’t need “D.” what a jackass…
Ok catching up on what is going on? What is wrong with Andy? Money says he is injured and will go on the 15 day real soon. This is nuts, he finally gets run support and pisses it away like he is Kei Igawa. WTF
Anyone realize that since Bush took office in 2001, the Yanks have not won a WS, have lost 2 and been embarassed in post season play? Has to make our odds look better for next year, no?
Game over.
good start but Tough loss to the mighty Angels. Looks like they will sweep us again.
what do u guys hate about michael kay?
I live in LA so I have to watch the Angel telecast it is painful..Great baserunning by Robinson that is UNBELEIVABLE MISTAKE.
Melky thinks he is Vlad with the arm..
this is a disaster….SH t
jennifer…what Yankees team have YOU been watching this year, ESPECIALLY against the Freakin’ Angels….A Million dollars says that we score NO MORE RUNS and lose this game 15-9 !!!
LOl! Dr. Acula I don’t know who has the biggest mouth , Trump, Cuban or Rosie. I guess big money makes a big mouth.
Can you imagine if Trump ever persuaded to buy the team from George if the sons want no part of it? I keep reading neither want anything to do with the team but George is pushing it. Well Jeter may not mind since Trumps over the Pageants. A lot of pretty young ladies from all over for him to chose from. LOL
This game is going to go until midnight. ugh.
And Suzyn W. just said Minky is going to Tampa over the break to start rehab. I think he is hoped to return in August.
Cashman will say that its just like signing a free agent when he gets back.
See told ya we’d take the lead back. Now only if the pen could hold it.
OK..we lose 15-10 then…
* jennifer…what Yankees team have YOU been watching this year, ESPECIALLY against the Freakin’ Angels….A Million dollars says that we score NO MORE RUNS and lose this game 15-9 !!! *
Alan still care to make that bet. Damit I can’t believe I didn’t see it before it was too late.
Anyone realize that since Bush took office in 2001, the Yanks have not won a WS, have lost 2 and been embarassed in post season play? Has to make our odds look better for next year, no?
http://www.blogger.com/comment.....5908957292
Lol, read this. Also the Yankees haven’t won a championship with a Republican president since the ’50′s I think
This game is like watching tennis.
alan — you’ve already lost a million bucks. quit while you’re ahead.
Nice line for Andy today though….He pitches the 5 innings and only gives up 8 runs on 10 hits….HE NEEDS TO SHUT HIS MOUTH FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON…HOW ABOUT HIS EFFORT ? Ya know….I don’t care if he DID give us 100%…if his 100% keeps stinkin’ up the joint….then he can go give 100% in the minors for awhile with IGAWA and enjoy some bus rides !!!
what do u guys hate about michael kay
A better question would be what we don’t hate about him
Colorado Yank,
It’s the Republican curse. Yanks have not won a world series with a moderrn day Republican as President. The 50′s dynasty was with Eisenhower, then Championships with Kennedy, Carter and Clinton.
I am wiring you the money RIGHT NOW, jennifer !!!
Oh come on Alan. Andy was out best pitcher for the year up until his last two outtings. Give the man a break.
Would you have Ramirez pitch the 7th to?
Alan, dude, calm down. 3.5 innings left. No reason to lose your mind every time a run scores.
If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs the terrorrists win
Okay I’ll be waiting.
Wow, 19 runs and no HR’s
Wow, 19 runs and no HR’s
Lol
Alan, make that 3 million. I was just going to post that Alex was going to go deep.
I am calming down…I think I will count to 100…But Seriously, I think when Andy “called out” his teammates, that was a Bad Move that is biting him in the arse now, don’t you ???
give arod 100 million a year for the next 60 years
i wonder if cashman has that extension for arod handy.
3 million, made out to “jennifer from the LoHud Blog”…..
Wouldn’t it be great if Edwar gets the W against the team that cut him twice?!
Nice A-Bomb!
*An A-TTACK by A-Rod*
maybe I got it wrong, my crystal ball has been acting up lately…Yankees WIN ? 15-9 ???
I think when Andy “called out� his teammates, that was a Bad Move that is biting him in the arse now, don’t you ???
It has fired up the rest of the team though hasn’t it
And Arod is back
time for elias to get scoring stats together between this game and the first game of the twins/chisox lots of people crossing home plate
Dr. Acula – im your witness that you invented that, so when I see it on the back page of Newsday I can say I KNOW THAT GUY
game is far from over – we have thought it was over like 4 times already haha
Manny a little too touchy feely with Julian. http://www.dailymotion.com/rel.....-tavarez/1
lol
Mike NYY…I highly doubt that Andy’s “words” fired up the rest of the team…but you go ahead and believe what you want…
Lol Dr. Acula
Can anyone imagine what kind of team this would be without A-Rod this year? I think we’re gonna have no choice but to give Boras another quarter bil!
It didn’t hurt did it?
you are right Jenn..Manny is a bit “off”…but THAT is no news….right ?
nice to see us finally pick pettitte up (if we can hold on) after he picked us up so many times the first three months of the season. just need to get a W, and make sure this mini slump doesn’t extend itself any further for andy.
and after 3 quarters of play,,,it is the Yankees 12, the Angels 9 in a battle of field goals !!!
hitting orgy?
What’s in Kay’s coffee tonight?
Who is this and what hgas he done with Edwar?
OMG – Jennifer that was hysterically disturbing – Did Manny and Tavarez do time together???
Nice check swing. Big strong Vlad drilled that a whole 2 feet.
and the honeymoon for Edwar is officially OVER…
I’m not going to kill Andy for what he said. I think he was right at the time. Unfortunately for him he has pitched poorly since.
On a side note, how many times is Kay going to use the word orgy during the broadcast?
Haha maybe.
Damit our pitchers can’t do anything right tonight.
Did the clock just ring midnight for Edwar? He just turned into a pumpkin.
This is why you do not annoint someone after one game.
Sparky is coming in.
YIKES !!!…Proctor coming in the game with a chance to give up a HOMER to tie it up.???…Put another 3 million on the Angels scoring 3 runs RIGHT NOW ! (joke)
Can anyone here create a Pettition to fire Michael Kay. I hate his guts, He’s most annoying broadcaster I’ve ever seen. He’s 56 year old virgin.
C’mon Sparky, restore some order to this game and end the “offensive orgy” please.
Kay is one of the worst Yankee announcers EVER…THAT DUDE needs to be fired….Is he even a Yankee fan ? He sounds like he is always partial to the OTHER team…
Kay is 46
Thank you, Woah
I’m really good with one “liners”:https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19728962&postID=6220022720932945937 Like, last Saturday, when Proctor had his post-game barbeque.
This is why I enjoy pitchers duels, how can anyone say this game is enjoyable. It is a very sloppy, horribly pitched game.
who do I make this check out to now ??? (wink)
I miss Jim Kaat
holy freakin bejeezus – this is the ugliest game in the history of baseball…
Thank you Doug Eddings for the check swing call.
He crossed the plane of the plate, he brought the bat back quickly though.
Michael Kay is a moron, he didn’t swing huh. Anytime a guy leaves the bat out there you know he swung.
46-56, He still single? that’s a disgrace
Kay is actually sometimes too much of a Yankees fan….
Hey Scott burn your glove more often.
Sparky!!!
WHO IS THIS ALIEN that is invading Proctor’s body ??? nice job, Scotty !!!
This is the best curveball Proctor’s had in a while. Good job.
Kay is actually sometimes too much of a Yankees fan……..
ARE YOU KIDDING ???????????
I dont want them to be Yankee fans… Have you ever heard the White Sox announcers? If i had to listen to that every day i’d shoot myself in the head.
Just don’t get excited when the other team hits home runs.
I am very happy for Scotty – or Sparky. I have been rooting for him for years, and was delighted that he finally seemed to get it together last year. And, oh yeah, it helps the team.
I like that nickname. Okay no more using of the name Scott. he is now offcially known as Sparky.
that is interesting… Has to be a connection!
Ok was listening to Michael Kay show from Thursday. Said the Yanks should offer A-Rod and extension and the money during the All Star break, if he and his agent refuse, then the Yanks could go pubic and say they tried.. in the end it might get him to free up his no trade clause because of all the scrutiny. Thoughts? I don’t know if it would all come true but I do think if they are going to resign him they should do it now so Texas keeps paying part of the contract, which I believe they do if he doesn’t opt out.
let’s go. !!!..3 more runs for the Yankees and the lead should be safe !!!
holy mackeral – a actual zero on the angels’ portion of the scoreboard…
He is a big Yankee fan. People accuse him all the time on 1050 becasue everything he says IS partial to the Yankees and it is pretty much all he talks about…..
Aw man, give Kay a break. The boy is a sanctimonious ass but he alright. Maybe he single, ’cause he a player. Damn, if I was making his dough, I’d be all over some a that. Nuff celebrity Yankee fans too, he could get some. Maybe, he do.
More importantly, I don’t usually talk sit ’bout Cash. But I say this. If he dont’ figure some way to keep A-rod in the Bronx, the Yankees don’t win a championship anytime soon. Then they fire his ass.
this just in… Scott Proctor to be tested by MLB. Apparently, no one is buying this quick turn around after burning his gear. It has been determined that the gear burned because the bong spilled while he was sitting on the pitcher’s mound taking a puff….
Bobby!! Please be turning it around…
about 3 innings ago – I probably would’ve agreed with you…
Pete, I’d still take Edwar in any inning over Farnsworth or Bruney.
Kay grew up in NYC, went to high school in the Bronx, and then Fordham…yeah he must hate the Yankees
Anyone hear if Santana is saying he wants to stay in Minnesota???
lol River Ave
If you are single you are a loser??? Since when??
I live in Twins country and the feeling is that Santana would like to stay but that Minnesota is going to have a hard time paying to keep him, especially in light of what guys like Zito got last winter. They have some interesting decisions to make as Hunter is up after this year and Mauer, Morneau, Santana and Nathan are up in either ’08 or ’09. They won’t be able to keep them all.
Colorado Yank that’s an interesting plot but I think it has several flaws. First, how would Posada and Mo respond to Alex being offered a contract extension before them. Two, the Yankees would then be breaking a somewhat precedent of negotiating contracts during the season. Three, Boras is a smart agent–Cashman said early in spring training that he wouldn’t offen an extension and that in general he doesn’t do contract negotiations during mid-season. All Boras has to say is that he’s sticking to Cashman philosophy.
Wow… the hooka did Scotty well.
Thanks Drew! Would love to see him in pinstripes.. He is the goods…
He is going to command WAY TOO MUCH $$$$$
After the game tonight I’m burning an effigy of Kyle Farnsworth in the hopes that it will turn his season around a la our main man Sparky.
Colorado Yank-
what hooka? we want details.
ouch Harry
He single cause he a player. You feel me? Either that or my boy a misogynist. That true, I likes him all the more.
He always talking bout how much he like Jennifer Anniston. Least you can’t blame the boy for taste. She fine. Still if skinny white chicks on the menu, I take Jennifer Connelley or my boy Dr Acula’s chick, Elizabeth Banks, every time.
Where Mark? I want to come to that.
Jennifer — If the Yanks win 15-9, you might be nice and give Alan his million bucks back.
“I’m just busting chops here but is the Hall of Fame voting for Edwar Ramirez finished yet? 1.1 innings, 2 hits, one run, one walk, one strikeout, one HBP, 23 pitches/14 strikes. He also caught a break when Chone Figgins got thrown out going to third.”
Peter, what is your point? Is it difficult for you to accept you were wrong during Edwar’s debut. Your commnet almost sounds childish. Don’t use the excuse you are joking or using humor.
I love the aggressiveness on the bases. Nice to see we aren’t being complacent with a 3 run lead and we are tacking on runs in the process.
Hello,
I agree but here was the thinking, why would the Yankees give up the payment from Texas to resign him in the off-season. Apparently if he opts out, Texas is no longer on the hook for part of the contract which means the Yankees would then have to fork out $30 mill. Would seem that if he is costing them $16 mill now, they could resign him and add only 9 – 10 mill to payroll.
If Melky keeps this up do I have to change my mind about him not being a legit OF option for the Yanks?
It is fun to watch him play and even though he doesn’t have enough power he has been really positive every time he knows he is going to play every day.
Hey Posada,
Do you go to every blog and post the same thing? I’m reading the exact same comments on Newsday’s blog like you are some kind of spam king.
Melky! Melky! Melky!
*Leche Azucarada !!*
3 for 5 today, .481 and 7 RBIs in July
I like to see all this base stealing.
a rod goes boom????
that is too funny chuckles
Cumberberg I’ll have to think about it.
I think we should get Alex out of the game. Too bad Andy is hurting.
I just came home, was edwin great tonight?
Harry and BBFan,
If you don’t like Pete’s commentary, you can take a walk anytime.
The cyber door is open, so don’t let it hit you on the @ss on the way out.
A-Rod goes walk, not boom this time. But for all the swinging stirke outs from last year, this is a good change of pace.
Chuckles,
Don’t be a suck up.
If you do not like our comments, you can shut up.
Keep tacking on runs! Ron Villone warming in the pen!
The hooka that Scott Proctor burned himself and clothing on the other night… it was laced with Torre’s green tea and some great Turkish “coffee”.
Has nothing to do with being a suck up.
If you don’t like it here, leave!
Nobody will miss you.
I am in England right now so I just got home and saw the score and I couldn’t believe my eyes. Is this the same team that got swept by the Angels a month ago?
BTW–anything wrong with Pettitte? HIs last couple starts haven’t been so good
Hey Peter! What ever happened to objectivity in journalism? Couldn’t wait for ER to allow a run so you could tell us all “I told you so!”……You were on ER’s case before he threw a pitch in the bigs. OK Bigshot…you told us so….What a schmuck you can be sometimes!
Let the guy pitch 10 or 20 innings before you condemn anyone. Who annointed you God anyway?
Just lost whatever respect I had for your ability to handle the jerks and trolls. Now you’ve become one!
I love Giambi,
By Edwin you must be referring to the famed Devil Rays pitcher Edwin Jackson who got absolutely torched by the Red Sox yesterday.
Chuckles are you Redsox Troll? name Cheekydave from sosh?
You are a suck up.
You can not stand a fair comment.
LOL @ Pete about Farnsy’s glasses.
In deference to those of us old enough to remember the 70s, please don’t call Proctor “Sparky”. Dont’ call him “Goose” either.
Colorado Yank, I understand the Yankees not wanting to lose the Texas money but that scenario, in my opinion just won’t work. Had Cashman not said that he wasn”t going to offer him an extension or that he would handle all contract negotiations until after the season then maybe that scenario would have worked. But Cashman basically has put his foot in his mouth in regards to getting something done before the season is over.
Could be a football type scoring tonight for the Yankees
So glad to see everyone is commenting on the game…
You have that username and you ask ME if I’m a Red Sox troll?
Peter, dude, you’re pathetic. “Sparky?” Come on, grow up. You’re supposed to be mature, yet you’re coming up with childish nicknames for people who could buy and sell you twenty times over.
That’s so idiotic I don’t know how to answer it.
Grow up.
stop lying.. leave us alone Redsox troll..
Sparky is a great nickname as far as I’m concerned, although if somebody comes up with something better I’m all for it, so long as it is fire-related.
“I’m just busting chops here but is the Hall of Fame voting for Edwar Ramirez finished yet? 1.1 innings, 2 hits, one run, one walk, one strikeout, one HBP, 23 pitches/14 strikes. He also caught a break when Chone Figgins got thrown out going to third.�
hey pete its real smart to judge someone on 2 innings pitched in the majors. you are so very insightful. howd you get this job anyways?
I didn’t realize that Peter couldn’t have an opinion just because he is a journalist. I think time will ultimately tell weather Edwar can handle the big leagues and he deserves a shot but if he was truly a stud he wouldn’t have been released twice by the same team. I don’t think Peter was rooting against him to say I told you so, I think he was just looking at his career track record and making judgments based on that.
Yes, Harry. You’re the epitome of maturity with the moronic and childish insults.
If you hate Pete so much, why read his blog?
Talking about who could buy and sell someone twenty times over is even more pathetic.
hey pete. your a disgrace to the yankees and the players. what is it that you got against edwar?? why havent you written anything about pettite?? he’s the one making the millions of dollars. this is barely his second outing. I think he did alright. except for that weak grounder by figgins. that is why i hated reporters when i played in the majors. you all can never say anything right. always giving your opinions without never even playing an inning of mlb baseball in your life. why don’t you go take a shower cuz you stink. hope you get fired.
hey pete when i said reporters, i meant reporters like you!!!
agreed, Drew
by the way i am pedro borbon sr. 2 time world series champion. go check out my lifetime stats.
Villone pitched a 1-2-3 ninth…
What the hell is going on?
Start spreading the news…
I think in the context of this blog, Peter is a fan more than a journalist. His entries in the Journal News are journalistic, but this is his blog. So I think it’s ok from time to time to throw some opinion in there, as long as he keeps his actual articles up to par with the standards of journalism, which he does as far as I can tell.
Exactly, Andrea.
It’s a shame this blog has been overrun by so many malcontents.
We have a guy who copies and pastes the same comments on various other Yankee blogs and he calls me the troll.
Big Props for Villone
Last six apperances: 8 1/3 Inn, *ERA 0.00,* 5Ks, 1BB
Edwar gets the Win.
Good for him.
First win towards the HOF career!
“In deference to those of us old enough to remember the 70s, please don’t call Proctor “Sparkyâ€?. Dont’ call him “Gooseâ€? either.”
I didn’t know people who were alive in the 1970′s knew how to use computers.
Was that really Franco Harris? I watched him pay when I was 8 or 9 … he doesn’t look as old as I am now!
Uh … Giambette – Edwin? So how good was happy hour?
I’m with you Chuckles.
Maybe deep down I’m just a hippie and I’m all “peace and love” about things, but I just hate to see people who are fans of the same team fight on that team’s blog.
we win we win!!!
second place is ours!
Nice win and hitting for the yankees tonight.
Uh, Pedro, I think you mean ‘”you’re” a disgrace’. ‘Your’ being a second-person possessive pronoun. Pete may stink. I don’t know. I don’t go smellin the boy’s pits. I do like his reporting and his blog though.
Pedro, with all that dough you earned in the show, buy some English lessons. You feel me? You stink, bro.
Busting chops? Weird that the guy most likely to wish for Yankee players to fail — so he can be ‘right’ — is the guy who covers them on a daily basis.
Familiarity breeds….?
Wow sure is ugly in here tonight and the maturity level is so high. Good win, didnt hang it up after they came back.
I am heading to the stadium tomorrow for my regular Saturday game and my first Old Timers game, probably the most excited I have been going to a game since my first game at the Stadium. Let’s hope another W comes our way.
Have fun Gayle.
Attention you angry posters:
When I write “I’m just busting chops here” that means I’m kidding. Calm down. I’m just giving the “Edwar is God” crowd a little ribbing. It’s all in good fun.
Sparky Proctor came from him setting his gear on fire last week. Try and keep up with the rest of the class.
Just when I think we’ve weeded out the trolls, more show up. Oh well.
Those who cut-and-paste their comments into several blogs are the ones who get me. Desperate for attention?
I don’t know but we swept the yankees in 76!! did I spell right this time robby. Check my second-person possessive pronoun. Check my nouns, verbs, and adjectives while YOUR at it. All the money I made in the show is more than you will ever make in YOUR life. “YOU FEEL ME BRO??”
How about Pyro Proctor
Pedro Borbon:
Please give my best to Dave Concepcion and George Foster.
Rocco,
I like it, but not as much as Sparky.
How about Pyro-K-niac?
Hey Pedro Borbon
Actually, I don’t think Pete has a problem with Edwar … I think he may think there are too many premature ejaculators projecting Edwar to have 60 saves every season based on the first inning he pitched. It’s the same train of thought that has people concluding that a guy’s whole career is done if he hits for the collar in 3 consecutive games. Those same people will be pissing and moaning if Edwar saves only 45 games one year.
My guess is Pate wants to see Edwar do well, and it’s more about pointing out some peoples’ mindlessness.
BTW – if you’re really who you say you are, I remember watching you play. You were good, man.
Oh I see Pete posted before I finished typing … err .. ranting.
Pete, nice try, but the amount of ego invested in that “kidding” is poorly camouflaged. That doesn’t make those who find it unnecessary ‘dim-witted,’ nor does it make them trolls. Like most members of the fourth estate, sportswriter subset, you cleave to the common wisdom when it comes to the game and the players in it. Stat-heads and younger fans tend to look at it from another perspective. Constantly seeking ways to point out the errors in that perspective sounds less like “a little ribbing” and more like you’re having a beer with Murray Chass later.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I agree I think Pete knows how we fans think. It really is premature to judge Edwar even though we were waiting to see what he was made of. Pete probably sees him at practice while we don’t. He knows how we tend to get excited over a player then we trash him in the end when they don’t live up to our expectations. Can we say Igawa? LOL anyway I enjoy Petes take you don’t have to always agree but he does make his blog fun.:)
Smolderin’ Scotty?
Harley:
The next time Murray Chass has a beer with somebody under 50 will be the first time.
Meanwhile, I’ve been a member of SABR for 10 years and was sending away to Lawrence, Kansas for the Bill James annual when I was in high school. They’re still in boxes in my parent’s basement. I also have a premium subscription to Baseball Prospectus and talk to their guys, especially Will Carroll, often. I wrote OPS into stories for two years and editors kept taking it out. I finally got them to include it last year.
But I can’t base everything on stats for several reasons. Explaining the metrics to average readers is impossible. I also can’t dismiss what somebody like Brian Cashman, Rick Peterson, Ron Guidry, Joe Torre, etc. says to me. So you try and strike a balance.
Just FYI, the scouts like what Jim Brower and Chris Britton were doing in AAA more than Ramirez. But they wanted to see that change. But, be realistic, MLB hitters aren’t chumps. The guy is going to have to make adjustments like everybody else. I hope he does, that would be great. It’s a great story.
Thanks for posting. Trust me, I’m kidding on most things. That’s my nature. Assorted dopes take it too seriously. I’m guessing you’re not among them. Hope so.
Wow, lots of Pettitte-hating on the blog tonight..what’s up with that? The guy has been our most consistent pitcher for the first half, cut him a break!
And those of you who can’t hang with Pete making a joke or 2 about Blog Hero Edwar Ramirez, kindly chug this big tall glass of “get over yourselves” I am hereby offering you…it’s a joke! Laugh! Maybe Sparky Proctor isn’t the only one who needs to spark one up….for real, mellow the eff out! We just won…and future first ballot HOF Edwar got the W didn’t he?
Can’t wait for Old Timers Day tomorrow, especially because Paulie will be there for the first time. Hopefully no rainout this time! Go Yanks! And for those of you who are buggin’ for various reasons, calm down, life is good…at least for tonight.
Harley – I wouldn’t doubt it if you’re one of the ones he’s talking about.
Pedro Borbon – Can you still pitch? We could use some help in the second half.
Satan aka Redsux – I remember Pedro Borbon’s team kicked your team’s ass pretty good too. Do you?
Peter, fair enough. I’ve obviously invested a lot in the Edwar story (Dad tells son not to give up on his dream, etc.) and am guilty of overreacting — and of course, snarking when I should probably be paying closer attention. And like everyone else here, I appreciate your nature (the kidding, etc.) as much as the site itself. Which is the first place I go during or after a ballgame. (Your taste in music ain’t bad neither.)
Cheers.
Pete,
I know you talked to the scouts but I still don’t believe you on that claim that they liked Britton and Brower more than Ramirez. Thats just crazy, I mean have you looked at Edwar’s AAA stats? They are better than Brower’s, who by the way is like 35, and better than Brittons. I’m guessing here but Edwar is probably the only one out of that group who features a plus plus pitch, let alone a plus plus change. I think those scouts were high when you talked to them cause I would take Edwar over just about any Yankee reliever at the moment, excluding Mo and our new and improved Sparky.
a SWEEP of the ANGELS is still possible…Ya GOTTA BELIEVE !!!
I could buy and sell all of you playas and homeboys. Come to Crazy Buddy’s Chevy Superstore and I’ll put you in a phat ride. Plus you can look at my NLCS rings!!!
Oooops!! I meant World Series rings. And I totally owned Borbon. I used to call it “Borboned.” HA HA.
Buddy Biancalana??? Dude, Borbon pitched in ’69-’81 and you started your career in ’82. And i dont think you could own anybody with your impressive 6 year career!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
With a career batting average of .205, in 550 CAREER AT BATS with a WHOPPING 7 HOME RUNS and A WHOPPING 30 RBI’S in 6 YEARS!!!
You should have stuck to being a car salesman!
Pettite is just regressing to the mean, like all the statheads thought he would. Despite the fact that he should have had a 6-3 record (or so), his stats don’t back up his low first-half ERA. Ah well.
Good win tonight, good that Edwar got his first taste of a big situation, good that A-Rod got back on track. Cheers all around.
I just hope Pettite can turn it around. It seems as though the hitters are finding a way to hit’em where they ain’t, just barely anyway. He should turn it around. Pettite is still getting the ground balls but they seem to find a hole. This is a good win and the bullpen showed some life. Villone is making me look good again and is earning his spot. All he has done is produce when given the chance. Damon playing in left field was wierd. Oh yeah, why don’t the Yankees trade ofr Edwin Encarnacion?? He plays for the Reds and is available.
jeeze… was all that sarcasm necessary
Pete – great job last night. It was great to get up this morning and see some the reactions to your comments.
Hope you don’t mind, but I’m stealing the “Sparky Proctor” moniker. It’s perfect!