Comments on: The Krazy Kyle Conundrum http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:30:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79951 Dan Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:33:55 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79951 Theory #1 seems to be the more likely one. I sensed that after his comments about Clemens were printed that he was attempting to hasten his way out the door. Unfortunately, his pitching has not helped his case - and that's outside of what the Yanks would be willing to pay of his salary to any taker. We've got Jim Brower in AAA, 34 years of age (and perhaps in realization that his big-league career may be over if he doesn't make it now), who may have finally found his game; it's time to bring him up. Scott Patterson deserves a bump up, if not a legit shot. And where is Edwar? How can we find out anything about the guy in two innings? Theory #1 seems to be the more likely one. I sensed that after his comments about Clemens were printed that he was attempting to hasten his way out the door. Unfortunately, his pitching has not helped his case – and that’s outside of what the Yanks would be willing to pay of his salary to any taker.

We’ve got Jim Brower in AAA, 34 years of age (and perhaps in realization that his big-league career may be over if he doesn’t make it now), who may have finally found his game; it’s time to bring him up. Scott Patterson deserves a bump up, if not a legit shot. And where is Edwar? How can we find out anything about the guy in two innings?

]]> By: Ron http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79837 Ron Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:19:08 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79837 If they gave him to Boston, with a suitcase full of money, he'd do more good for the rest of the American League than he is for the Yankees at this moment. Meanwhile, Four Rings has issued a decree that Kyle has not lost the 8th inning job, and that he will continue to torment us and allow other teams to chip away at leads until he shows "real inconsistency." Has Joe been sleeping the last few games? What the **** does he call allow more than two baserunners per inning and allowing runs in two consecutive games? This team will be so much better off without him, especially considering the youth movement that is coming. I don't intend for JB Cox to be burnt out by age 29 by our high and mightly idiot. If they gave him to Boston, with a suitcase full of money, he’d do more good for the rest of the American League than he is for the Yankees at this moment.

Meanwhile, Four Rings has issued a decree that Kyle has not lost the 8th inning job, and that he will continue to torment us and allow other teams to chip away at leads until he shows “real inconsistency.” Has Joe been sleeping the last few games? What the **** does he call allow more than two baserunners per inning and allowing runs in two consecutive games?

This team will be so much better off without him, especially considering the youth movement that is coming. I don’t intend for JB Cox to be burnt out by age 29 by our high and mightly idiot.

]]> By: Ranting Guy http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79212 Ranting Guy Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:33:01 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79212 “Krazy Kyle has put 60 men on base in 37.1 innings.� Quick, trade him to Boston for prospects so he can be one of the set up men for the Papelboner. Offer to pay the rest of his contract too. Think about it ... the Yanks signed him to pitch for the Yanks, right? If we need to put him in a Boston uniform to do it, then so be it. Up in Boston they're still not onto the fact that Mike Timlin is one of NY's favorite batting practice pitchers. The fans have been onto him for a while, but from Terry Francona on up the Sox haven't figured it out yet. Hopefully NY won't sign Timlin like they did our last favorite Fenway BP pitcher ... Mike Myers. “Krazy Kyle has put 60 men on base in 37.1 innings.�

Quick, trade him to Boston for prospects so he can be one of the set up men for the Papelboner. Offer to pay the rest of his contract too. Think about it … the Yanks signed him to pitch for the Yanks, right? If we need to put him in a Boston uniform to do it, then so be it.

Up in Boston they’re still not onto the fact that Mike Timlin is one of NY’s favorite batting practice pitchers. The fans have been onto him for a while, but from Terry Francona on up the Sox haven’t figured it out yet.

Hopefully NY won’t sign Timlin like they did our last favorite Fenway BP pitcher … Mike Myers.

]]> By: cheryl http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79203 cheryl Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:06:45 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79203 As I said before and over and over again, the Yankees need to get rid of Proctor & Farnsworth. We lose everytime they go out to pitch as releivers for Mariano Rivera. Poor Mariano. He has absolutely no releivers to help him at all. As I said before and over and over again, the Yankees need to get rid of Proctor & Farnsworth. We lose everytime they go out to pitch as releivers for Mariano Rivera. Poor Mariano. He has absolutely no releivers to help him at all.

]]> By: Rido http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79188 Rido Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:29:47 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79188 Speaking of CRAZY...Check out this List of Baseball's ALL-TIME INTIMIDATORS...Clemens is on the list... peace~ http://maximonline.com/slideshows/index.aspx?slideId=3338&imgCollectId=173&src=tst11 Speaking of CRAZY…Check out this List of Baseball’s ALL-TIME INTIMIDATORS…Clemens is on the list…

peace~

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]]> By: Drive 4-5 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79182 Drive 4-5 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:21:07 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79182 The Yankees are the gold standard in baseball. You can take the word " gold" many ways. Not only are they the symbol of excellence, but they make money for every team in the industry.Here's what Oakland GM Billy Beane has to say about them: "The Yankees are great for baseball, especially when they're good," said A's general manager Billy Beane. "Anyone who doesn't believe that is incredibly short-sighted. Me, personally, I never viewed the Yankees as some hated, evil rival, because I have so much respect for the way they play the game. If they're having a down period, it's only temporary, and their down period is going to be a lot shorter than most teams'." The Yankees suffer from a higher level of expectation from not only their fans, but from the entire baseball industry. Fiscal conservatism can only go so far. Signing free agent pitchers is far riskier than signing position players. Cashman is doing a great job stockpiling young arms and minimizing the risk. However, the Yankees need to be aggressive in procuring position players. They don't have the same stockpile in their system as they do with pitchers. Due to their high position in the standings they have had to make a choice with their draft picks and chose to invest heavily on pitching. What may utimately define Cashman's success is how he handles the trading of some of his pitching prospects for position players.The bottom line is that these are the New York Yankees and he needs to be aggressive in order to maintain the standard. The Yankees are the gold standard in baseball. You can take the word ” gold” many ways. Not only are they the symbol of excellence, but they make money for every team in the industry.Here’s what Oakland GM Billy Beane has to say about them:

“The Yankees are great for baseball, especially when they’re good,” said A’s general manager Billy Beane. “Anyone who doesn’t believe that is incredibly short-sighted. Me, personally, I never viewed the Yankees as some hated, evil rival, because I have so much respect for the way they play the game. If they’re having a down period, it’s only temporary, and their down period is going to be a lot shorter than most teams’.”

The Yankees suffer from a higher level of expectation from not only their fans, but from the entire baseball industry. Fiscal conservatism can only go so far.

Signing free agent pitchers is far riskier than signing position players. Cashman is doing a great job stockpiling young arms and minimizing the risk.

However, the Yankees need to be aggressive in procuring position players. They don’t have the same stockpile in their system as they do with pitchers. Due to their high position in the standings they have had to make a choice with their draft picks and chose to invest heavily on pitching.

What may utimately define Cashman’s success is how he handles the trading of some of his pitching prospects for position players.The bottom line is that these are the New York Yankees and he needs to be aggressive in order to maintain the standard.

]]> By: felipe from Brazil http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79176 felipe from Brazil Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:07:47 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79176 If I were Torre I'd demote Krazy Kyle as a pitcher but I'd keep him in the staff for bench clearing situations...you know, like Myers is suposed to be a left specialist, he'd be my brawl specialist! :) If I were Torre I’d demote Krazy Kyle as a pitcher but I’d keep him in the staff for bench clearing situations…you know, like Myers is suposed to be a left specialist, he’d be my brawl specialist! :)

]]> By: Ron http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79173 Ron Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:03:16 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79173 Drive 4-5, I seriously doubt any deal would happen without the Yankees paying money to make him go away. And the Yankees probably don't have many reservations when it comes to that. The deal is already a failure. It remains to be seen what return they can get on it. It's better to get something of lesser value than to get nothing at all. Drive 4-5, I seriously doubt any deal would happen without the Yankees paying money to make him go away. And the Yankees probably don’t have many reservations when it comes to that. The deal is already a failure. It remains to be seen what return they can get on it. It’s better to get something of lesser value than to get nothing at all.

]]> By: Ron http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79171 Ron Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:01:13 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79171 CB is absolutely right. It's tough for a team that wins as consistently as the Yankees do to develop top-flight prospects, because they are the ones signing free agents (and losing draft choices) and they pick near the end of the 1st round at best. The Yankees have to take gambles, especially on pitchers, or they will be forced back into picking dudes like John Parrish. They can't afford to take "sure things," because the only thing they are sure to become is minimum-impact players. So they pick signability guys like Betances, injury guys like Joba and Brackman, lesser stuff guys like Kennedy and Clippard. Some fail, like Steven White. Many get injured, like Sanchez, Garcia, Melancon, and Cox. Others stall out, like Brett Smith. All of the guys I just named were drafted or acquired since 2003. But eventually, something has to work out. When the Yankees draft these pitchers, talented but with questions, they aim to fill five rotation spots and a few bullpen positions. If they have more than enough, then they can absorb injuries. Some will fail, but some will make it. Looking into the future, this team will almost certainly have a rotation with at least 3 or 4 homegrown starters. Wang is a rock. Hughes is going to be one. Joba is on his way. Kennedy is coming. Clippard is an option. Hell, Jeff Marquez might be ready in a year or two. When you have that many prospects, it doesn't matter when an Olendorf or a Brett Smith flames out. Others are ready to take their place. Carl Pavano, Javier Vazquez, Jaret Wright, and Kei Igawa represent attempts to bring in free agent pitchers from outside the organization. All appear to be expensive failures. So why the hell don't the Yankees focus on developing a crop of pitchers, saving money, and having much better roster flexibility. If Mike Mussina struggles, the Yankees can't send him to AAA. If Joba struggles, they can. Just because they are the Yankees doesn't mean they can't be fiscally efficient. Cashman understands that. It's his greatest strength. Because big name free agent pitchers have proven to be no more reliable than the best prospects. And they cost a hell of a lot more money, and because of their contracts, the Yankees have no choice but to keep trying to get a return on the investment. CB is absolutely right. It’s tough for a team that wins as consistently as the Yankees do to develop top-flight prospects, because they are the ones signing free agents (and losing draft choices) and they pick near the end of the 1st round at best. The Yankees have to take gambles, especially on pitchers, or they will be forced back into picking dudes like John Parrish. They can’t afford to take “sure things,” because the only thing they are sure to become is minimum-impact players. So they pick signability guys like Betances, injury guys like Joba and Brackman, lesser stuff guys like Kennedy and Clippard. Some fail, like Steven White. Many get injured, like Sanchez, Garcia, Melancon, and Cox. Others stall out, like Brett Smith. All of the guys I just named were drafted or acquired since 2003.

But eventually, something has to work out. When the Yankees draft these pitchers, talented but with questions, they aim to fill five rotation spots and a few bullpen positions. If they have more than enough, then they can absorb injuries. Some will fail, but some will make it. Looking into the future, this team will almost certainly have a rotation with at least 3 or 4 homegrown starters. Wang is a rock. Hughes is going to be one. Joba is on his way. Kennedy is coming. Clippard is an option. Hell, Jeff Marquez might be ready in a year or two. When you have that many prospects, it doesn’t matter when an Olendorf or a Brett Smith flames out. Others are ready to take their place.

Carl Pavano, Javier Vazquez, Jaret Wright, and Kei Igawa represent attempts to bring in free agent pitchers from outside the organization. All appear to be expensive failures. So why the hell don’t the Yankees focus on developing a crop of pitchers, saving money, and having much better roster flexibility. If Mike Mussina struggles, the Yankees can’t send him to AAA. If Joba struggles, they can.

Just because they are the Yankees doesn’t mean they can’t be fiscally efficient. Cashman understands that. It’s his greatest strength. Because big name free agent pitchers have proven to be no more reliable than the best prospects. And they cost a hell of a lot more money, and because of their contracts, the Yankees have no choice but to keep trying to get a return on the investment.

]]> By: Drive 4-5 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/comment-page-3/#comment-79165 Drive 4-5 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:53:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/07/16/the-krazy-kyle-conundrum/#comment-79165 Ron - I agree that teams look at a guy who can throw 96+ mph and think the can work with them. But Farnsworth is owed $2.5 mil for the rest of this year and over $5.5 mil next year. That's the main reason why teams aren't interested. Ron – I agree that teams look at a guy who can throw 96+ mph and think the can work with them. But Farnsworth is owed $2.5 mil for the rest of this year and over $5.5 mil next year. That’s the main reason why teams aren’t interested.

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