Gagne to the Red Sox in the works
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2007 
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Hideki Okajima, Eric Gagne and Jonathan Pabelbon will shorten the game for Boston, that’s for sure.
The Yankees have to hope Joba Chamberlain can be effective in a late-inning role.
The Red Sox are sending OF David Murphy and LHP Kason Gabbard to Texas for a player they will probably have for two months. It’s a hefty price.
The trade is contingent on financial considerations. But given the cozy relationship Scott Boras has with Boston, that shouldn’t be an issue.
Back with more as it develops.
OHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If Gagne stays healthy and Okajima maintains his performance, this is the best bullpen in history.
So Boston is giving up second tier prospects while Texas was asking the Yankees (and everyone else) for first tier prospects. nice.
And Beltre. An outstanding int’l prospect who is 17 I believe
i think i am just down on cashman not being able to make a deal to rid this team of kyle farnsworth
A great trade by Boston.
Now lets see the Yanks response.
Be Lidge.
Oh and the Boston bullpen was already good, this trade doesn’t get them any more wins.
This is ridiculous, lol. Why the hell does Boston want Gagne? Their bullpen is fantastic. One of the best if not the best. Gagne will give them minimal performance. Their offense is what they need to improve.
Idiots.
It’s a heftier price if Beltre is indeed included. He seems to be Tabata with power.
And still Kyle the Cockroach remains at 3:30 p.m.
Isn’t this about keeping Gagne away from the Yanks? I agree with Jeff NJ that it is not a difference-maker for them but would have been for us.
Boy wonder has been working Cashman over in recent times.
The thing that bugs me is sticking with the Farns. Salary is a problem? Then eat some of it and ship him out, whats the big deal?
The bullpen can only get better with the subtraction of Farnsworth.
Time for Pap to actually become a starter?
Beltre, Gabbard, and Murphy for Gagne is the trade. It’s official pending Commish approval. That is a hefty price. I don’t care. Hopefully, we can get another bullpen like Chad Cordero or Zack Greinke.
I’m going to go against conventional wisdom here and congratulate Cashman for not mortgaging the future here for 2 months from a guy who just had Tommy John surgery. It’s good to see the Yankees continuing to take the long view. For too long the Yankees have refused to protect their youth and have allowed other teams to extort their top prospects in exchange for damaged goods. While the bullpen may continue to suck this year, just think of how good a future rotation of Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, et al., may be . . .
Good move for Boston, I guess.
Glad we didnt give up Melky (Texas asked for him or Kennedy) for a reliever for 2 months and has already been on the DL twice THIS year.
This is definitely about keeping Gagne away from the Yanks. And what’s all this BS about Gagne wanting to close. He’d be setup for Boston & the Yankees. Still, great pickup for Boston. I don’t know why we are still left with Farnsworthless. Unreal!!
Who says that the Yanks havent tried to ship fransy out and maybe no teams want him. You know based on what has happened this year they are trying everything maybe the issue is all teams KNOW they want to get rid of him. I woudlnot give him away for free.
Lidge or Cordero with be better options.
As far as Farnsworth,if he not traded he will be dfa.
I cant see them allowing him to wear the uniform again.
Dont panic guys, we still have august to pick someone up
if we fail to now. If im not mistaken we picked up Fielder
in august.
A half hour left
Cashman needs to dump Farnsworth and try to get another reliever
Is it awaiting Commish approval or Gagne approval?
Also, Farnsworth will easily pass through waivers, he does not have to go today.
Gagne might not approve the trade to Boston….
Why is Farnsworthless still here?
I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of the year, this Cashman who did nothing at the trade deadline will let Arod walk away.
Steve Dvorak,
It was Melky AND Kennedy.
does cashman look smart for not trading prospects or look bad for not improving his bullpen, rather just removing one of it’s workhorses for a bench player?
Will Pap actually go to being a starter and let Gagne close??!! Who’s Boston’s setup man currently?
Still think Tigers will take Farns,if we eat most of his
salary.
Farns should be DFA’d and a reliever called up TODAY
Do you really think it’s that easy to trade a high priced reliever who doesn’t throw strikes, doesn’t get along with team mates and doesn’t get along with his manager?
moving farnsworth is not a simple task, i think it’s funny that people just assume people will just “take” him.
does this trade win boston the world series? no. that’s absurd.
but, if gabbard and murphy wee all they gave up to get gagne, then cashman got handed his lunch this year. again.
that’s pavano, igawa, an inability to move farnsworth, proctor for a utility guy who doesn’t really fill a need, and an inability to fill the team’s biggest need, a need that rivera himself addressed.
not a good year to be brian cashman.
Gagne has approved the trade?
Okajima is their setup man.
Papp’s shoulder is not well – losing velocity is the fear in RSN – and Okajima is already past his biggest IP total in Japan. This is insurance and also keeps him from the Yanks. Smart move but they did pay a lot. That all said, Gagne hasn’t waived his no trade clause yet. Redsox are gonna have to pay him that 3.6 million closing bonus to have a chance. They got a half hour to get it done – it can still easily blow up.
If it does happen, I am a bit disappointed, but the Yanks have their pitching prospects intact and are adding Hughes, Giambi, and Joba this week for nothing.
best bullpen ever!!!!!Take a break. Also again they had the best pen in the AL before this trade so why do it.. If they did it to block the Yanks that is a big mistake, teams need to worry about there situation and not there rivals…
I will be suprised if myers, and moron(kyle) are not gone..
the yanks need to find spots for karstens, joba, hughes, and others… they need to dump pitchers… My concern is simple I do not like how torre handles the pen and this pen will need handling and not just mindless moves like when they had stanton, nelson, mariano, and wettand..
torre will need to maneuver things…
boston was going to win the division anyway. what this trade does is give them an advantage in the playoffs because they now have two guys who can work the 8th (okajima, gagne) and two guys who can close (gagne, papelbon). if all three are available, that means it’s a six-inning game. they’re going to be dangerous in october, no doubt. that third place finish last year lit a fire under epstein.
Bletre is included Kasey. You are allowed to read previous posts before posting, fyi.
Mike-
No, you’re wrong.
It was EITHER Melky or Kennedy – not both.
And the Yankees who NEEDED the bullpen help did what precisely? He relinquished Scott Proctor? How, in god’s name, does that improve the principal weakness on this team?
Unless Cashman knows both Chamberlain AND Ohlendorf (two kids, let’s remember, 21 and 25) can thrive not only in the majors but under the pressure of a pennant chase besides, the Yankees are in real trouble this year.
Since Cashman made the Abreu trade– which I still consider singularly brilliant– his management leaves much to be desired.
The bullpen was a grave shortcoming last year and he did nothing to improve it in the off-season, allowing both Dotel and Gagne to sign elsewhere.
Now, he’s done nothing to improve it at the trade deadline.
The Gagne trade nauseates me almost as much as the Matsuzaka bid.
If the Red Sox win the World Series as a consequence of these two moves, I can’t defend Cashman against the lynch mob that will clamor for his neck.
It odd tho, that people will balk at the players Texas asked for from the yankees (melky, kennedy, joba, hughes) but boston moving gabbard, murphy, and e. beltre is a good deal. So would you move kennedy, tabata, and gardner for gagne?
So Gagne still hasn’t waived??
beltre’s 17. he’s a good prospect, but his inclusion doesn’t suddenly mean theo got hoodwinked.
cashman got his lunch handed to him this year. period. his insistence on holding on to a guy like horne is laughable. hughes, chamberlain, kennedy i can understand, but making horne a dealbreaker is just plain stupid.
and they’re not getting lidge or cordero. the bullpen help is joba. that’s it.
It is quite clear see below quote from Jon Heyman on SI.com that the Rangers were asking for much more from the Yanks than they were from the Sox. I do not think it is a conspiracy there are just some teams that do not want to deal with the Yanks or make it easy for them. You cannot fault them for that. Again I agree that the Yanks were right not to make this deal and it was Kennedy AND Melky (thats what Buster Olney said) and below from Heyman so they certainly were not aiming low.
“From the Yankees, they’ve been asking for one of three pitching prospects: Joba Chamberlain (who’s been lighting up at 98 mph and may be a candidate to set up Mariano Rivera, as well), Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy”
Perhaps, Ohlendorf besides, Kasey Kotchman.
sunny 615 tabata is untouchable…
gagne is a rental you do not trade top top level talent for an over 30 rental..I live in LA I know all about Gagne. He was awesome before he missed the last 2 + yrs.. the guy is over 30 and throws 6 + mph slower then he did……..
he will help boston, yes. but they do not need much help in the pen..
I love what cashman has not done….
I think Farns should be traded. The Rockies and Tigers had interest in him. Farns for Clint Barmes???
People, Proctor wasn’t getting any better. Let it go. He’ll probably have surgery in a year or two because of the workload on his shoulder.
I hope Cash at least get rid of Farns and add a bullpen arm.
I have been saying this since Cashman traded Randy Johnson for a song in the off season. He does not care about this season. Sure, he’ll make the occasional splash to steal the back pages (i.e. Clemens although I think that was more George than Cashman) but in general he is happy to let it play out and in a few years plug in the prospects.
That does not sit well with me. I am not saying that he should have traded Highes or Tabata or whomever but surely he could have come up with a better offer than two B level at best prospects for Gagne. He has done nothing (as of 3:42PM) to improve the 2007 version of this team and IMHO made it weaker by dealing Proctor. Yes Proctor was not having a great season but he occasionally got people out. That is more than you can say for the F-Word.
even if cash offered horne – who’s the say daniels wouldn’t have taken the sox’s offer over Cash’s anyway?
Okajima is better than Gagne.
Why would Boston make this trade?
I just don’t get it.
does anyone actually know what texas would have taken for gagne? it ranges between kennedy and melky, to kennedy or melky, to clippard and horne. big range there. horne i may have given up, but not kennedy or melky. risk-reward just isn’t there
Wow the Redsox are loaded!
PeteNJ, you honestly can’t be on here bashing the Randy Johnson trade? Do you follow baseball at all? Randy Johnson is out for the season. Vizcaino is our best reliever. Ohlendorf is hitting 97 and starting to show promise. We got two other prospects. We got $16M off the books in salary. I stopped reading after you bashed that deal. Get a clue.
Gagne trade done. Better hope Chamberlain turns into rivera 1996 version 2.0. Then again we will only face them in the postseason if we get there. The Division is over but this is a major coup for Boston even it is for 2 months. I wonder where are all the this is a “bad for baseball” morons out there as the rich get richer..
Law of Diminishing Returns for Boston. but they did play keep-away.
what I’ve been confused about, all day, is some say the price was high, some say the price was low, DAMN-IT *Goldielocks, which is it!!*
Not a particularly great trading deadline so far for Cashman. When asked a month ago whether the Yankees were planning to acquire help for the stretch run, Cashman’s response was that the Yankees had to earn the right to receive help. Since that time the Yankees have certainly earned that right by jumping back into the thick of the wild card race. This team is certainly good enough to make the playoffs, but I don’t like the odds of winning it all with this bullpen (even with the additional of Joba). I am a big Cashman fan, and also agree with his attempt to hang on to young studs, but I don’t understand what the plan is for the bullpen.
Just love reading the posts from all you geniuses who flip burgers for a living but go on about how you could have done what Cashman could not. He’s very good — not perfect, but very good — and does not have Jedi mind control powers. So please keep your whining to yourselves, and make mine medium rare with an extra side of fries.
Jesus people think for a minute. The Rangers were asking for the Yankees top propsects. They settled for mid-range Red Sox prospects.
Sorry, I am not giving up Melky Cabrera or Ian Kennedy for a two month rental.
For the last 7 years, this franchise spent money for just about every big name free agent out there. It hasn’t worked.
Now, on a team with NUMEROUS FLAWS, Eric Gagne is the “missing link”? Sorry, I am not buying it.
Yes, its improved their bullpen. But, you still have to play the games and the games aren’t won on paper.
I am glad they didn’t give up top propsects or Melky for Gagne. It would have made no sense.
Now, its time for the kids to get their shot. Before panning it, why don’t you wait and see how it works out.
BTW, 16 or not, I wouldn’t have given up Beltre. He’s the best player in that deal, IMO.
who cares who texas would take it is over. and BTW Okajima is not better then Gagne.. I will beleive Okajima is the real deal when he does it in the playoffs until then NO..
I’m a Cashman fan, but I just don’t see how they upgraded their biggest weakness (the bullpen). And who is Alan Horne anyway? Honest to God I didn’t even know who he was until a week or so ago. I really hope he has something up his sleeve because I’m not feeling too positive right now.
Buster Olney just said the Gagne to Boston deal is Official.
ESPN’s Buster Olney says the Red Sox have gotten Eric Gagne to waive his no-trade clause and join the team.
Jul. 31 – 3:44 pm et
Will–Texas wanted Melky or Kennedy along with Clippard and Marquez or Horne.
if it is true that Texas asked for Kennedy or Melky, then i don’t see how you blame cashman.
it’s a good trade for boston.
but i wouldn’t have given up kennedy or melky.
The plan for the bullpen:
Rivera, Vizcaino, Joba, Britton, Farnsworth, Karstens, Myers
It is bad for baseball if the yanks do it else it is good for baseball.
the plan for the pen is quite simple get rid of guys not producing and try go who have not had a chance yet and may produce; bye; bruney, myers, kyle, and others.. hello; joba, edwar, ohlendorf, karstens, veras, and on and on….
produce you play fail go to SWB..
sj44-
_The Rangers were asking for the Yankees top propsects. They settled for mid-range Red Sox prospects._
why did the rangers play it that way? that’s what I don’t get. Unless there’s a good reason, it strikes as being unprofessional.
“cashman got his lunch handed to him this year. period. his insistence on holding on to a guy like horne is laughable. hughes, chamberlain, kennedy i can understand, but making horne a dealbreaker is just plain stupid.”
except everyone is now reporting they DID ask for Kennedy.
People, the division was over in May. The Yankees only shot has been the Wild Card. The Gagne trade doesn’t change that.
I love people who rip Cashman for not trading for Gagne. In other words, you would rather he give up 2-3 of his top prospects for a rental player.
Thank God none of you are the GM of the Yankees.
Ripping the Randy Johnson trade? Hate to tell ya but, Vizcaino has more wins than Randy Johnson, Ohlendorf will be in the bullpen next year, and they didn’t waste 16 million dollars on a guy having his second back surgery in the last 8 months.
Yup, that was a real bad trade.
Look at it this way. Boston was gonna win the division before this deal anyways. At least now they’ve wasted some prospects for a guy they really don’t need.
guys, don’t get too worried. if the yanks have shown anything against boston this year, it’s that we can get to their pitching. Okijema and Pap, and all their starters. Gagne is not in the NL West three years ago anymore, this is the AL East and that change up won’t look so great.
Meanwhile we’ve got Hughes and Joba coming up. Both are fresh and barely anyone has seen them. If Detroit proved anything last year, it’s that young, fresh and healthy power pitching can get it done this time of year.
I think SUnny said it above, it would have been teh equivalent of us sending Gardner, Kennedy and Tabata for Gagne. No thanks, enjoy your two month rental Red Sox. I’d bet anyone right now the Red Sox are not going to win the World Series.
PeteNJ,
I am not sure if this is worth going over again, but Cash did well when he moved RJ. The guy needed back surgery (again), didn’t want to be here and was overpaid. In return Cash got our second best reliever in Viz, an arm that is close to helping out the pen in Ohlendorf, and some high-ceiling arms on top of that. For a guy (RJ) who is out for the season, I think that he did quite well and made the move with the intention helping the big club this year. Which it has.
Fact of the matter is, there will still be baseball to play next year and the year after that. Can you imagine what this board would look like if Cashman did trade away Melky, Kennedy, etc? Can you imagine the shape we’d be in next season? Every day there is a group that clamors that we coulda, shoulda, woulda, must get X person like that person is the best thing out there. None of them are – and certainly are not worth sacrifing our future.
Global Warming,
How’s the weather up there on Yawkey Way treating you?
Did you do yourself that favor and check out last year’s deadline yet?
Or are you still going to bash Cashman and say Theo worked him over “again” this year?
Everybody hates the Yankees (outside od NY) and wants to see them lose. That’s why Texas is playing hardball!
I wonder if Boras’s relationship with certain teams influences the players decision to go there. Less than 10 mins ’til the deadline….
ESPN’s Buster Olney just said, Gagne is overweight, injury prone, and full of bad facial hair.
Because the Yankees don’t have mid-range prospects. Our prospects are either great (see Chamberlain, Joba) or suck (see Duncan, Eric).
Why is Kyle still a Yankee?
Bob you summed it up best and it is worth repeating: “Look at it this way. Boston was gonna win the division before this deal anyways. At least now they’ve wasted some prospects for a guy they really don’t need.”
the rangers gave the red sox the “goatee” discount.
there is a little known rule in the CBA that the Red Sox get first crack at every player in the league with bad facial hair. they got Hinske for nothing.
I don’t know… I see something in Peter’s post that catches my eye:
1) He just named three of their proposed relievers (two are definite), and one of ours. That doesn’t seem even in the short-term a good deal for us.
I also see something that’s NOT there:
2) they give up Murphy and Gabbard for a rental of two months… and, quite possibly, a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
that’s not me being panicky. That’s being realistic. They have the best record in the entire league, and they’re adding on the best option for reliever to pitch in the 7th/8th inning.
that’s a good addition, if it brings you a title.
doesn’t anyone else think that?
Not trading Horne or Kennedy is a bad thing?
This is the Post-96 Yankee fan reaction. Just keep trading prospects for all stars because, one of these years, it HAS to work.
Just because some of you don’t know who Alan Horne is, doesn’t mean a thing.
Three months ago, I doubt there were 10 people on this board who knew ANYTHING about Joba Chamberlain. Now, most people in baseball consider he and Hughes the two best pitching prospects in the game.
Here is the way I see the trade deadline……the Yankees get Hughes, Chamberlain, Betemit and (soon) Jason Giambi, for Scott Proctor. That’s the reality of the trade deadline for the Yankees.
Did the Yankees over-value Horne? Not for a rental, IMO.
I dont understand why everyone wants Myers gone. He’s a decent reliever and pretty reliable. He’s not outstanding, but he can get it done. I wouldn’t DFA him or trade him. I’d keep him in the bullpen as an actual reliever, rather than a specialist.
Britton is hurt and can’t come up. And yes, Okajima is better than Gagne. He’s pitched extremely well this year and has not been INJURED.
We can fill the Scott Proctor void, but I don’t like losing him.. even though he did give up that Craig Monroe home run to blow that one save last year… man that pissed me off.
‘I think SUnny said it above, it would have been teh equivalent of us sending Gardner, Kennedy and Tabata for Gagne’
How are those even remotely equivalent.
Hefty price? They traded two mediocre prospects. Once again Boston prospect are overvalued leads them to steal a player. Texas was asking for much more from the Yankees.
Hefty price hey Pete what are you smokin… those guys SUCK
jennifer – because no one else wanted him.
a guy who throws hard but not accurately… and has a bad attitude.
you can’t blame anyone else for their perspective.
Jake S “Best bullpen in history.” LOL what a tool.
Hurry up Cashman
Sammy,
As I said before, when was the last time that a team won the World Series by having the best team on paper on July 31 at 4:01 p.m.
“Why is Kyle still a Yankee?”
b/c no one wants to trade for him?
Call me silly, but I’d rather have “THIS GAGNE”:http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/06/07/OrylWj4R.jpg rather than “THIS GAGNE”:http://www.dallasnews.com/shar.....N5DN.1.jpg
Trade Deadline officially over
The Yankees are a little better than an average team this year. Gagne would not have guaranteed them anything. I know we are so use to having the Yankees win each year. This year if they get into the playoffs which is not out of the realm as the wildcard, the yankees will go home early anyway. Let these young players come up and play—hughes, Joba etc. If joba is so good like everyone thinks he is, we will forget about gagne fast anyway.
Disgusted with Cashman
He wasn’t able to dump Farnsworth. That’s just terrible. I just hope he can get rid of him soon
Sweet, the Sox have another pitcher who will pump his fist and freak-out when he gets the third out of a very average inning [Beckett, Paplebon & Gagme]
i can’t keep up with these comments today.
but i’ll say it is amazing the non-yankee discount the red-sox got. i mean what is boston giving up in equivelant to what the yanks have in their farm. gabbard = clippard if you ask me. not sure about the other guy, but never hearing of him probably doesn’t say too much about him. are the rangers bitter about previous moves with the yanks? is that showing with this? i think so.
It’s official, I guess…Gagne to Sawx. Who cares. Just odd that the package they got from the Sox doesn’t make much sense to me.
SJ44 – I will not disagree with you. I don’t think we should’ve let go of any of the Big Pitch Four (let’s call ‘em that for now – it saves me to spell out their names).
but if Melky was on the table for Gagne… I say we pull the trigger on that. If we could throw in someone else in there… then I think it would’ve been worth it. To get something that’s proven in the later innings.
I hope that Joba comes in smokin’. I hope Phil comes back strong and in charge. I hope the Yankees make the playoffs. But I think they should’ve made a move here, if needed.
ESPN Hot list says that the Yankees bowed out of the race for Gagne by turning their attention to “other deals” – what other deals are they working on? Any thoughts? Maybe something to get rid of Farnsworth.
It’s 4:00. Do you know where Kyle Farnsworth is?
Gardner=Murphy
Kennedy=Gabbard
Beltre=Tabata
How’s that YanksSox?
Well there we go. Be tough to beat the Sox, but we can get the wild card and in the post season all bets are off.
Joba and karstens will help shore up the pen, Edwar will get another look so we’ll see what we have with them.
And Horne will be for real next yr. We could be very happy to have him this time next yr when he could be the difference maker, and for yrs to come after that.
The Red Sox did well to seel Gabbard high though. With Schilling coming back they wont have a spot for him and Bucholz will take the spot next yr. Gagne gives them cover incase Pap breaks down again. Gotta give em credit.
How can people say that Cashman has had a bad year when he gets (1) Petite and Clemens to return, (2) creates a corps of young starters for close to the present, including Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy, and (3) keeps other first tier starters (Horne, Marquez) for future trades not involving injury-prone two-month rentals? And the Yanks are four back in the wild card race.
We forget that Gene Michael had the freedom to rebuild the 1996-2001 team through some bad years (remember Stump Merrill?) and George was banned from baseball. Cashman is trying to do it all and the fact that we are still in a playoff race in spite of the pitching injuries (Wang, Hughes, Pavano) and disappointments (Igawa, Farnsworth, Pavano) is a credit to him.
Just curious – why do all Sox prospects suck, and all Yankee prospects kick arse?
“that’s a good addition, if it brings you a title.
doesn’t anyone else think that?”
yes, but the Red Sox are PLANNING for the playoffs. they are going to make the playoffs. once the playoffs start, gagne will be nice to have. it’s worth trading prospects for that.
the yankees are currently NOT in the playoffs. they might make it, they might not.
anyone who criticizes this trade, answer this, were you willing to give up Melky or Kennedy for Gagne? answer that.
Farnsworth is needed for tonight with us being a reliever short. He will pass through waivers and be traded in the next 10 days.
No way should they have moved Joba, Kennedy, Highes or Melky. Smart move staying pat on thiose. Not sure about some of the others that the Yanks wer eholding onto though…
‘Kennedy=Gabbard’
Who on this board agrees with this statement
sunny615 because fans lack objectivity
Well one good piece of news the Yankees seemed to have held onto out best prospects.
But we can still hear about deals after the deadline. I can’t believe that the Yankees would hold pat with this team.
Sigh. Phillies get Julio Mateo for nothing. It’s not like we need relievers with experience.
The fact that Farnsworthless is still in pinstripes is mind boggling.
Jordan – can’t remember… probably 2000.
but I wouldn’t say that the Red Sox have the best team on paper at the deadline, either. They just have what appears to be a formidable starting rotation and bullpen.
… more than ours, anyway.
but I will say this: kudos to Cashman for standing his ground, and not buckling under any Stein-pressure. You HAVE to know his phone was a-ringin’ for the last eight hours or so. Wonder if he has caller ID.
I’d have to say that the Yankees are actually worse now than they were at this time yesterday. I’m not sure what Betemit brings to the table because Torre never uses his bench. If they’d traded Farnsworth, I’d have considered the trade addition by subtraction, but Proctor was at least serviceable.
Of course, if Chamberlain is as good as advertised, they could have just not done anything and improved.
I can’t believe Farnsworth is still a Yankee.
‘Kennedy=Gabbard’
Anyone? Anyone?
A lot of you have already hit on what I consider to be the most important aspect of this Gagne trade. Okajima is BETTER than Gagne. So doesn’t this panic move inevitably only take playing time away from the better player?
Plus, I see this as them addressing an area that doesn’t REALLY NEED addressing as their pen was already quite good. And they made this move at the expense of their starting pitching which is not as solid. I’m not saying it was an awful trade for them but I’m just not convinced it’s one that really needed to be made. I think they should have gone for Dye instead. But we will see.
Agreed on the Cashman comment, Sammy.
“He wasn’t able to dump Farnsworth. That’s just terrible. I just hope he can get rid of him soon”
if the only deal on the table was “pay all of his salary and we’ll give you a C prospect”, i don’t blame him.
they are better off hiding him on the DL and trying to trade him in the offseason.
Sammy if the ytraded Melky for Gagne, who plays center field?? ALl the proffessors say Melky is easily replaceable really……23 yr old CF with 10 assists on the yr. 290 hitter, good speed, good upside…
Easily replaceable really name 3 replacements….
I think there’s a lot of sour grapes on this board right now.
Name a team that has TOO MUCH bullpen relief. Or a team that has a pen that’s TOO GOOD. They don’t exist. 90% of baseball people would rather have more pitching than hitting.
With this move, Boston just turned every game for the rest of the season into a six-inning affair. Forget the division…this move catapults them past Detroit as the World Series favorite. Boston had a great day. Dem’s the breaks.
I wonder if they have a uniform that fit gagne? Oh yeah, they ‘ll use one of Papi’s spears.
this reminds me so much of how the red sox were last season… hold on to big pieces, made deals in the off season
Let’s not panic yet, Yanks fans – Gagne still has to survive the rest of the season without hurting himself.
Im hoping a last minute deal shipping Farnsworth to the moon has taken place
Jim Johnson,
If you look at what I read instead of just resorting to second grade name calling as you did with Jeff in NJ you’ll see I clearly stated that Dan Benton was your source.
I was not saying you just made this rumor up. I actually enjoy your column and think you are one of the better writers on MVN. That said the way you’re resorting to insulting people rather than addressing real issues is a disappointment.
Here’s the thing – no one thinks of Dan Benton as a legitimate source. He consistently makes things up and lies about stories. That you ran with a “tip� of his and made it out as a done deal hurts your creditability in turn. It just does. There’s no two ways about it – you didn’t say it was a rumor. Rather you said,
“Either way, Eric Gagne appears to be on his way to New York to set up for The Sandman.
That’s is just about as definitive as it gets.
Reread your comments section for that story. I wrote that readers of your sight were asking for what the source of this story was – which is exactly what they wrote. People asked for confirmatory information and there was none.
You guys at MVN framed this as if you had a major scoop. Which you didn’t.
MVN loves to criticize the “main stream media� as being stodgy and out of touch.
It’s much easier to listen to unreliable sources like Dan Benton and make things up.
Now go ahead and be insulting again. That’s a positive approach to take with someone who actually visits your sight and has up until now read your column.
# JustGuessing July 31st, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Jim Johnson,
Also this is exactly what your colleague Tony Gicas, one of the other Yankee writer on the Bronx Block wrote last nigh in the comments section in response to your story on Gagne to the yankees:
Tony Gicas — July 30, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Jim:
what are the sources here?
seems like this may be a false rumor and nothing else.
http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/?comments_popup=1683
So is your colleague Tony Gicas also looking “foolish?� Should he also keep rereading your column until it “dawns on him� what you were writing.
Or is the problem you wildly ran with a rumor from a completely unreliable source?
And even your fellow writer called you out on it.
BBB
The Sox needed two things power RH bat off the bench, and a hard throwing RHP setup man.
Gagne filled the second one.
as for making the playoffs, i don’t think this factors too much into what we have to do. before this, when we play the sox, we’d have to beat their starters. and now, pretty much the same thing.
Stephen:
i have to agree re: sour grapes. i am a die hard fan, but i am pretty objective about things.
I know Cashman will get murdered in the papers for this. But I think he probably would have given a better price for Gagne and we cant blame him for holding onto the guys he thinks are going to be starters for us. Think of the prices people are saying for Blanton right now. They are talking teams top 2 or 3 prospects for him, cos hes proven. Give it 3 yrs and Horne will get us the same price.
I am disappointed with the moves and non moves this yr, but credit to cashman for looking at the big picture and sticking to his game plan despite the pressure he will get from some pundits and from Tampa.
Rich you said “oh yeah? ill bet you $$1 Billion the Yankees dont win he WS…”.
A few things, here in America we use 1 $ sign to represent our currency. Otherwise your offer of $1 Billion seems really reasonable, both of us obviously have an extra Billion lying around, so yes I say let’s do it. I bet you $1 Billion that the Red Sox do not win the world series. Unelss you want to bet a $100 Kajillion.
what an unfair deal. the Rangers wanted SO much more from the Yankees.
Gabbard is a 25 year old fifth starter at best, Murphy is a 25 year old too hitting .280 in AAA, and Beltran is 16 years old. Melky (22 years old) is a .300 hitter with defensive spark, Ian Kennedy is 21 and a projected #1 or #2 starter, and Horne is not far behind. screw Texas.
“Of course, if Chamberlain is as good as advertised, they could have just not done anything and improved.”
no, you replace Proctor with Britton and you now control a good young player in Betemit for the next 3 years.
think bigger guys.
Proctor has not been good this year. everyone seems to forget that. he has a WHIP of 1.51. he has 29 walks and 37 Ks. that ain’t pretty.
hmmm – Melky, yes. Kennedy, no. I would agree with the pundits who say that an outfielder would be relatively easy in acquiring. If we could’ve gotten Gagne to stay – which, depending on how we’d do in the playoffs (should we have gotten in) – I think would’ve been likely.
you’re right. Boston’s in; we’re not. But we’re creeping, and a couple of pieces here/there, and it would solidify chances.
I think it would’ve been worth the risk. Not the risk of the Big Pitch Four… but for Melky, sure.
my opinion. Humbled, and probably wrong.
Jordan, please learn how to read.
When I say Cashman was one upped again by Theo Epstein I’m not referring to last year, I’m referring to the Matsusaka bid/ Igawa reaction signing.
Thank you and good night. Weathers fine by the way, you’d know if you poked your head out and look for yourself buddy!
Once you get over the knee-jerk reaction of disgust that the Red Sox got something the Yankees wanted, it’s really not all that bad.
It’s been particularly difficult this year, because since the Matsuzaka bidding, it has seemed that an awful lot of things have gone Boston’s way. Including swiping J.D. Drew out from under the Dodger’s nose (regardless of whether or not he’s been exactly what they’ve expected).
I would love for Farnsworth to be gone, and that may still happen. But, for where the Yankees are sitting, which is still chasing the wild card and the division, they may end up doing very well. Division is not out of the question, but being realistic, if it was the Yankees leading the Red Sox by this much at this point in the season, we’d feel pretty comfortable, wouldn’t we? So, let’s say we’re in it for the wild card.
If the Yankees end up in the playoffs, won’t it be extremely satisfying to have done it with players from inside the organization, and without having had to give highly-rated prospects who are probably going to be a huge part of the team beginning as soon as next season? And, as someone said before, if the Yankees reach the playoffs, once they begin, anything can happen. Heck, maybe it’s better going in as the wild card team; they’ve seemed to make out pretty good in the last several years.
I know, I’m going with glass-half full again, but, really, why not? I’d like to enjoy the rest of the season, and honestly, I have a good feeling about Joba Chamberlain.
I too am proud of Cash for standing his ground. I can’t believe some people would have actually supported him trading Kennedy. Of course it almost goes without saying that had that happened, the proponents of that move would have been the same people calling for Cash’s head next year when Kennedy beat the Yankees for the first time in Texas’ rotation and Gagne was closing for some other team.
I’ll make a prediction — Either Gagne or Papelbon will be on the DL and will not finish the season. I think this trade reeks of the Red Sox being scared that Papelbon is fading like last year. His velocity has been off and they have been worried about that for awhile now.
And stop bashing Cashman — no one reported that Alan Horne was what Texas only wanted from the Yankees. They wanted a lot more than we were willing to give up. The Red Sox gave up a young starting pitcher who won some big games for them lately. Pitched a shutout as well. If we had a young starting pitcher do that for us, you all would be cursing Cashman for dealing him for a rental.
I’m not saying the Red Sox gave up Greg Maddux, but they gave up value and they had to pay off the pitcher to come to them.
As for them going to the World Series, who knows. We’ve had teams that deep and lost in the Series, even in the first round.
They need to get healthy and hope Ortiz and Schilling can be the players they were. I’m not worried about them. I still think we go into Boston in August and sweep them. We’re adding a young power pitcher to our rotation, a young power pitcher to our bullpen, our bench is loaded….
I’ll take our chances and see what this team can do the rest of the way. You know, the Red Sox have always collapsed when they are considered the front runner and I like a Yankee team that plays the underdog. Gives the millionaires something to prove.
The Yankees are worse today than yesterday? Huh?
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Wilson Betemit are not upgrades from Kei Igawa, Scott Proctor and Chris Basak? I am not even talking about adding Giambi, no small order.
Sorry, I’m not buyin’ that.
Trade Melky for Gagne? A guy who is hitting .345 as a starter this year, is only 23, and you would trade him for a 2 month rental setup guy? I don’t come close to agreeing with that philosophy.
According to Michael Kay, the Rangers never came off Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy for Gagne. If that’s true, its easy to see why its no deal.
Cashman is smart to hang on to all the prospects, even those folks here haven’t heard of (yet). If nothing else, a couple of them, mark my words, will be involved in a much bigger and more beneficial trade in the future. Gagne simply wasn’t worth the cost.
I’m not surprised at all they stood pat.
Contrary to the optimism here, it still is a long shot to get even the wildcard this season. It may happen, but betting the farm on it is foolish and Cashman knew it.
Kind of like last year for the Red Sox. Their fans were pissed at the deadline when we got Abreu and Theo did nothing.
Cashman figures go for it with what we got and see if we get lucky. If not, there’s more to work with for next season.
Stephen,
Boston will still find a way to lose.
Dems the breaks.
addition by subtraction would be removing Farnsworth for a bag of hockey pucks. Yes, I said hockey pucks. THATS not even baseball!!!
Stuart – I would say, for three replacements:
A. Jones
Hunter
Tabata
just three names I thought of.
hey, I’m sure I’m wrong… I hope I am.
that would mean our team is winning.
It’s after 4 and the Farnsworth is still here.
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*
JeffNJ,
Please do a little homework before you post because if you think Beltre is equal to Tabata you are nuts. Yes they are both high-ceiling kids but Tabata is hitting over .300 in a pitcher-friendly league while Beltre (while only 17) is hitting .215 right now in rookie ball. Big difference.
Plus Gabbard looks like a flash in the pan as his record in the minors was spotty while Kennedy has been lights out all season.
The Sox did well in this deal while the Rangers certainly asked for much better prospects from the Yanks.
they overpaid for gagne. he is a serious injury risk and will cause a problem in the clubhouse if he stays healthy. pap will throw a fit every time he closes, remember pap thinks he’s the next mo.
Doreen’s got the end-game.
“think glass half-full, and enjoy the rest of the season.”
well put.
Also, the majority are not ripping Cashman for not caving on Gange. That is a fair shake. The criticism is directed at not removing Farnsworth from this team and not trading for an arm. Any arm that is.
Micheal Kay just said the Rangers would not come off getting either Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy in any deal. Oh and YanksSox, I’ll take Kennedy over Gabbard any day. Why do you think the Sox were so quick to trade him? They are not high on him at all even if he is a lefty.
Kennedy=Gabbard
That may be one of the dumbest things I’ve heard all day. Gabbard can’t crack 86mph on a good day, Kennedy throws in the low 90′s and can hit 94.
this means the beantown bums are going to the world series . couple gagne with oki-doki and papelbon . forget it . beckett , matzuzaka and the fat sack only have to go 6 innings and BANG , lights out . putting chamberlain in the 8th inning is alot of pressure for a kid who has pitched 1 inning in AAA . whats the deal with farnsworthless ? why isnt he gone . did cashman think he was getting gagne ? is that why he sent proctor away for a bench player ?
People seriously believe Greinke is available?
Bob (And hopefully not the one from NJ),
I agree.
The Yankees are at a crossroads right now and will be going in to a difficult month of August with respect to the teams they have to face.
Losing 2 of 3 in Baltimore is never a good indication either.
Why not just roll the dice, bring up some youth, and see how it plays out.
Heck, in the end, the odds of Boston winning it all are pretty damn slim, right? They manage to blow it year in and year out.
Oh, and the Yankees don’t play baseball to prevent Boston from making moves. Makes no sense to do so.
And so we take our chances with what we have (Hughes comes back this week).
I just heard that too Jeff. Amazing they want to rip off the Yankees but take garbage from the soxs.
I will agree that Texas got screwed with Gabbard.
That guy is garbage and will amount to nothing more than a #5 starter in the league if he is lucky.
So, basically the Yankees lost out on Gagne because they have a better farm system than the Sox. Isnt that irony?
YanksSox,
I wasn’t aware they felt they needed another reliever. I’m not sure I agree that they did but I’ll take your word for it because you would seem to see much more of your team than I do. But this was at the expense of the starting pitching which is another area of ???, no?
Doreen,
I agree. Give me the wild card with our guys over the division with the Dodgers’ former roid head anyday. Hell even if we miss the playoffs I would rather do so with our guys and have them for next year. Imagine how bad it would suck trading Kennedy and then still missing the playoffs? Actually trading him period would have been awful. Next year we will be loving Ian in the rotation and this deal will seem very very far away.
And they wanted Melky too? No way do the Yankees make playoffs without Melky IMO. So what would have been the point?
Only thing that bothers me is “Mr. Fastball Up” is stil on the team.
But i really don´t think this will take long, after that look from Posada.
As for the Gagne deal, the intention obviously is to keep him away from us. I could care less.
For all the “GMs” out there, Cashman is right. He is right most of the time.
You will love him next year, but won´t admit it.
GO YANKEES.
“According to Michael Kay, the Rangers never came off Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy for Gagne. If that’s true, its easy to see why its no deal.”
if this is true, anyone who complains about Cashman is wrong.
sorry.
you don’t trade those guys for a rental on a set up guy.
I’ll say this, if the Yankees were in first place, or at the least, 2 games out, and we were having the same Bullpen issues we’re having now, I can see Cash pulling the trigger in outbidding the Sawx for Gagne’s services. But let’s get real here – we’re 8 games out of the division and 4 out of the WC. The Yanks had *multiple* opportunities to catch up to *both* leads (succumbing to a poor road trip after the first streak and a semi self-destruct in Baltimore after the second). This team has not shown anyone that we can hang at the top. By all rights, we should be no less that 3 or 4 games out of the division had we not collapsed on that Colorado/SF road trip. Right now, the best plan for winning does not involve trading away your best prospects for 2 months of overweight Gagne. If Texas gave Boston a discount, then there’s nothing you can do about it. Move on. But some of the blame everyone is happily shooing on Cashman’s doorstep belongs on the players too. In the end, the sole reason we’re in this position is because we didn’t play well – consistently.
Michael Kay is reporting on his radio show that the Rangers never came off their demand for either Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy for Gagne.
He said that someone with the Yankees told him that Alan Horne’s name did not come up. The Rangers insisted on Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy.
Anyone who thinks the Yankees should give up Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy for a two month rental is just not thinking rationally.
Cashman was right for not caving in.
“People, the division was over in May. The Yankees only shot has been the Wild Card.”
Exactly. Why would anyone care what the Red Sox do?
Is it that difficult to trade the Krazy Kyle. Why not Farnsworth for Betemit instead of Scott Proctor. This is ridiculous.
Chris in Fairfield,
Joba pitched 6 innings in AAA and has 13 strikeouts. So you were wrong about 1 inning in AAA.
That’s why you play the games. Way to keep the faith.
Punks who don’t have the balls to use a regular nick on a regular basis should make their own flippin’ burgers.
As for all those rube teams like the Rangers: let the NYY sit out a year & watch attendance & product sales drop just like your records after the All Star break for the last 20 years. When the Blood Sox get around number 25, they can all start puffing out their chests.
To the poster that said he isn’t surprised that Cashman stood pat…BINGO.
Cashman, unlike many fans, are realistic about this team. They aren’t that good this year and, trading one of your top young pitchers, or your starting CF, for a setup guy (and a rental to boot) would be flat out dumb.
He’s doing what he should do…..bring up Hughes, Chamberlain, Ramirez and/or Karstans. Get Giambi back in the lineup soon, and keep and eye on Kennedy. If Moose continues to struggle, he will end up starting in NY by September.
They are re-tooling the team. If it means missing the playoffs this year, to setup for a longer run, I say, “go for it”.
I’d much rather see younger players in the lineup now than overpaying for Eric Gagne.
rbizzler, I agree. I am not impressed with Gabbard. I admit I never heard of Beltre before today. He is not even 17 and admittedly he only has 5 HR’s and 13 RBI’s but he has only had 121 AB’s. Multiply that times 5 for a full season and I would say for a not even 17 year old, he projects very very well. Granted Tabata is a few years ahead of him, but obviously he is a great prospect.
Gagne has had major injuries and will only be here for 2 months. Its not worth giving up a potential 3rd starter.
For all of you pisssed at this deal, another thing to consider.
Did Cashman ever even have any intentions of getting Gagne?
Maybe he just wanted to drive up Boston’s price?
Okay, I am excited that the Yankees didn’t give up Kennedy, Horne, etc., but let’s not jump the gun and assume that these two guys are going to be dominant starters next season.
Pitching in AA is quite different than pitching in the majors.
Stop hyping it up.
If the Yankees really wanted Gagne, they could have given up Horne or Kennedy for him. Cashman simply decided it wasn’t worth dumping POSSIBLY strong prospects for a 2 month rental.
Do any of you really think Gagne will end up in Boston next year if Papelbon isn’t moved to the rotation? And if Papelbon is moved to the rotation, then it is just Gagne at the back end and not the two of them. Health risk…Boston can have him.
“did cashman think he was getting gagne ? is that why he sent proctor away for a bench player ?”
no, he sent proctor away b/c his is a ticking timebomb.
Lets get some perspective here folks. This trade had nothing at all to do with what the red sox need, like a short stop or an outfielder for starters. They already had a terrific one two punch in okajima and pimplepopper. This is a costly two month rental that only makes sense IF the red sox go all the way. If not, they payed a big price for a player they didn’t necessarily need.
I am with those who are happy we didn’t trade our prospects. Our future is brighter than ever, and holding onto all of these potential stars was the move of the day in my opinion. That wont get any front page headlines though.
For those of us who have seen what our farm hands like Chamberlain can do, things get very exciting. What a great story line it would be if Chamberlain, Hughes, and Ramirez come in here and hold down the fort and prosper in the post-season on the way to yet another world championship.
What irritates me more than anything though is that Krazy Kyle is still a yankee. Beyond his dreadful play, his hateful personality is much worse. He disgraces the Yankee uniform, and that he is still on our team is on Cashman’s head. I don’t believe he wasn’t movable. There is always a team (sucker) willing to give a guy with that kind of velocity a chance. Shame on you Cashman.
BJ
BBB–
Melky’s our good luck charm! Sitting him lost the playoffs last year.
As long as we “got Melk” we’ll be okie-dokie!
Seriously, though, I agree with the poster above who stated they were proud of Cashman for standing his ground. In this world, it is getting increasingly difficult to just use common sense and resist the temptation to settle for less. Who would have thought, just a few years ago, that it would be the Yankees who would show restraint, not only in the free agent market (last off-season), and in the trade market? I’m all for “you gotta give in order to get” but you have to make sure you’re getting the right deal. I’m sure Horne and even Melky could be had for exactly the right deal. You don’t trade them for a “rental” whose health is questionable still.
You can’t blame Cashman for Farnsworth still being here. Farnsworth may be worthless to the Yankees, but you still don’t give away an arm PLUS 7.2 million dollars. You have to get something in return. Farnsworth will be gone, but Cash will wait for the best deal (even though that will still not be a good deal).
“Is it that difficult to trade the Krazy Kyle. Why not Farnsworth for Betemit instead of Scott Proctor. This is ridiculous.”
So you apparently think Farnsworth is worse than Proctor. If that is the case, then why would the Dodgers want him?
The Yanks did the right thing. There was no need to give up any quality players (Horne or Melky) for a reliever that is injury prone and who wants nothing to do with being a setup man in the future.
I’m not a big fan of the Procter trade. I dont see Betimit being anything but a bench player and i think we could have gotten more for Procter. He will be a good reliever in the NL.
I also wish they traded Farns, but lets be honest, who in their right mind wanted him? I mean the yanks would have probably had to pay almost all of his salary. Farnsworth will pass through waivers and then be traded in August.
Cashman did the right thing – build from within. Hughes and Joba (and maybe Olendorf) will be here soon. Giambi coming back is like trading for a slugger. Yanks will be fine.
SJ44,
The voice of reason.
I know for a lot of us it is unbearable to consider Boston winning the division for the first time in 10 years (IN TEN YEARS!), but building for a solid future has its perks too, right?
Again, roll the dice, see what happens this year. If nothing comes of it, we have plenty of options to toy around with in the offseason.
Its great that we all expect championships every year, but it was NEVER realistic.
Jeff NJ
‘Gardner=Murphy
Kennedy=Gabbard
Beltre=Tabata
How’s that YanksSox?
Oh and YanksSox, I’ll take Kennedy over Gabbard any day.’
I know there are a lot of Jeffs that probably reside in New Jersey but can you guys at least have two different names. Or is this another multiple personalities.
I said the whole time Kennedy is better than Gabbard.
7.2 million reasons why its tough to trade for Farnsworth. That’s what he is owed in the next year and a half.
Other teams have scouts too. They see how poorly he has pitched. Proctor makes a lot less money, making him more viable as a trade commodity than Farnsworth.
Wouldn’t it be sweet irony if they move Farnsworth to the 6th inning and all of a sudden, he becomes lights out?
Hey, I can dream, can’t I?
Mike wrote: what an unfair deal. the Rangers wanted SO much more from the Yankees.
I will try to revise exactly what you wrote and make it seem objective rather than what your one-sided Yankee mind may tell you.
Gabbard is a 25 year old fifth starter at best (4-0 with a 3.7 ERA, that is a damn good 5th starter), Murphy is a 25 year old too hitting .280 in AAA,(good speed, had a cup of coffee with the Red Sox last year and will replace Kenny Lofton as texas’ everyday CF) and Beltran is 16 years old (Tabata anyone?). Melky (22 years old) is a .300 hitter (.291, never once this year over .300)with defensive spark, Ian Kennedy is 21 and a projected #1 or #2 starter (projected is a strong word, considering Gabbard wasn’t even PROJECTED to be in the Sox staff in a few years.) and Horne(never heard of him so I can not comment)is not far behind. screw Texas.
Here is my estimation of talent value Texas got from Boston and would have gotten from NY
Cabrera=Gabbard advantage: even
Murphy/Beltre= Kennedy/Horne advantage: even
So, no Texas did not ask the Yankees for too much and the Sox for too little, the people here are just disappointed they did not get Gagne. If you had acquired him all the people here would be singing his praises. It is sour grapes like others have mentioned, so understand that you are no longer the sole team playing hardball with big names. Tough Luck!
“Why not Farnsworth for Betemit instead of Scott Proctor. ”
Simple answer to that one: if we don’t want him, why would the Dodgers? Do you think the fact that he has been terrible is a big secret? That’s why there are scouts.
Cabrera=Gabbard
How can you say a guy that pitches once every fifth day is of equal value to a guy that plays everyday, and plays well?
“They are re-tooling the team. If it means missing the playoffs this year, to setup for a longer run, I say, “go for itâ€?.
I’d much rather see younger players in the lineup now than overpaying for Eric Gagne.”
They are ‘re-tooling’ but don’t kid yourself if you think they aren’t trying to make a run THIS year. This team has holes for sure, but help is arriving. They aren’t nearly as big as you might have us believe. Further, Boston is nearly as good as some would have us believe. Unless Gagne is going to be allowed to bat, how does this move improve their offense or position players?
The yanks have holes, but so do the sux.
BJ
wow Tom you have no idea what you are talking about
All of you guys saying that every game Boston plays is over in the 6th inning have seem to forgotten that Papelbon AND Gagne CAN NOT PITCH ON BACK TO BACK DAYS.
These are 2 highly effective and highly brittle relievers. They are not going to pitch every day. This does nothing. Maybe in the playoffs if both of their arms haven’t fallen off they will pitch back to back days, but right now they can’t be counted on to do something that they have not done all season long.
This is not Nelson/Stanton to Mo. This is Okajima to Gagne or Papelbon most nights.
“Is it that difficult to trade the Krazy Kyle. Why not Farnsworth for Betemit instead of Scott Proctor. This is ridiculous.”
holy sh*t, what is wrong with this blog sometimes?
do you even think before typing?
think about WHY you want Farnsworth gone instead of Proctor. now pretend you are the Dodgers.
unreal.
Tom,
Of course you do realize that Red Sox will blow it yet again, right? Even if the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, in your heart, you KNOW the Red Sox will blow it. Admit it.
How do you feel knowing that they blow it every year? Oops, sorry, they don’t blow it once in every 86 years, my bad.
Gagne is getting too much hype. Let it go people.
“Wouldn’t it be sweet irony if they move Farnsworth to the 6th inning and all of a sudden, he becomes lights out?
Hey, I can dream, can’t I?”
That is what I would call a nightmare. I am hoping he continues to fail so I don’t have to see him pitch anymore. He is a dreadful and destructive personality ill-equipped to don the coveted yankee uniform.
Doreen, the yanks can move him and his contract very easily, they would just have to eat a big part of it. At this point you take anything you can get for that abomination. How would you have felt if Posada’s wrist was broken the other night, ending our late but impressive post-season run.
The guy is a cancer, and must be cut out.
BJ
A hefty price?
Murphy is a 5th OFer at best and Gabbard is just plain garbage.
Just because they were in the RS system it doesn’t mean they’re good.
Farnsworth has shown he can save games. Shows up his manager, and catcher, and calls everyone out to the media. And he only costs $7.2 million. Who wouldn’t want that?
Anyone?
anyone?
Beuller?
All I know is, Chamberlain and Kennedy began the year in Tampa (A) and are now in Scranton (AAA).
When was the last time two pitching prospects in the organization moved up the ladder this quickly? Hughes didn’t even move up this quickly. Horne would have also been in AAA this year if he wasn’t coming off TJ Surgery. That’s three guys, 24 and under, who have the chance to be very, very good starting pitchers.
Chamberlain will be in the majors by the weekend. Kennedy soon after (IMO) if he keeps pitching as well as he did in his AAA debut.
Its not impossible to see the 2008 rotation being:
Wang
Hughes
Chamberlain
Kennedy
Pettitte/with Clemens possibly back next year, and Horne in reserve.
You rebuild/reload with young pitching. That’s what they are trying to do.
This year’s team has too many holes to overpay for Gagne.
Farnsworth? I would have loved nothing better than to see him gone. However, I am not into eating salary to do so. Screw it, its not worth it.
The industry is flush with money. If teams don’t want to take him on, use you has a swing guy and then move him in the winter.
Come on people, everybody knows that Gagne’s arm is barely hanging on. All he cares about is getting one more payday before it falls off. Hell, he could end up getting injured in August for all we know.
can *NOT* save games.
dontfirecash: What I meant by that correlation was how talented the player was and what his talent level means to the team. In other words, is Texas better off with Melky in CF or Gabbard as a starter?
Kennedy I assume is a power pitcher and we all how the ball flies down there. Gabbard is a sinker specialist with a GB to FB ratio of 58-35 or about 2-1. So is Texas better off with Melky in CF and a power pitcher in a home run haven, or Murphy in CF and Gabbard on the mound throwing his sinker?
no, it was a good trade for Boston. let’s not pretend it wasn’t. gagne helps them.
but Michael Kay just said someone from the yankees told him Horne’s name never even came up. it was Hughes, Joba, or Kennedy.
forget that.
Global Warming,
Your post read the following:
“Global Warming
July 31st, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Theo has one upped Cashman again this season.
Okajima 7th
Gange 8th
Papelbon9th
Christ almighty. We on the other hand kept Farnsworth. Absolutely brilliant work by Cashman not sending him to Detroit in fear of facing the Farns.
Hello! Wouldn’t we WANT to face Farnsworth in a Tigers uniform? Ugh.”
I can read, thank you.
And I don’t think it would do me any good to check the weather out here on Wall St when talking about the weather on Yawkey Way.
And another thing, let’s not all forget why Gagne was only able to get a one year deal with incentives from the Rangers this past offseason.
Sure he very well might make the Sox bullpen damn near lights out, but he has a pretty extensive injury history as recently as this spring too.
“Farnsworth? I would have loved nothing better than to see him gone. However, I am not into eating salary to do so. Screw it, its not worth it.”
Neither am I, but these are unusual circumstances. This guy has showed up his manager publically many many times in the media, nearly broke the number one catcher in baseball’s wrist, is generally a rat in the clubhouse fostering negativity and chaos. Oh, and he also has a bad personality.
I wanted him gone for those reasons, his dreadful play notwithstanding.
BJ
Proctor for Betemit in the offseason is a hands-down steal. But further weakening an already crap bullpen? I don’t get it.
Don’t buy all the hype about Tex. demanding more from us than Boston, either. Sure they originally asked for Chamberlin, Kennedy and Melky, just like they originally asked Boston for Bucholz, Ellsbury and Bowden. In the end they took the best offer, period.
We’ll never really know what Cashman’s last and best was, but if we miss the playoffs because our bullpen falls apart, Ian Kennedy and Alan Horne better be really special, really fast.
Larry- you are so orginal. I try to post a side of things Yankee fans don’t like to see and you try and give me your “you guys always blow it” routine. Besides, I thought this was a Yankee blog, yet half the comments are Red Sox related. You can’t get enough of them can you? Why not leave the Red Sox topics for Red Sox blogs. Makes sense to me
We can all agree that you can never have too much, cheap, young pitching….correct ?
All these prospects will not pan out so perhaps in order to get three you need a pool of ten or so…
Why Cashman would trade prospects for a 2 month rental on an injury prone player is beyond me…
I agree randyhater, in the beggining it was Ellsbury and minor leaguer Justin Masterson eqiulavent of Kennedy) and the Sox balked at this. I am sure Cashman would have lightened the offer if there were in it up until 4 PM.
worst trade deadline ever, boston made their team so much stronger and we added a minor league player at best.
fire cashman now
This was a good deadline for us. Another year we kept our top prospects.
Well atleast it will be hard for Sox fans to talk about the Yanks “buying” championships for awhile…
from BP chat:
David (San Francisco, CA): This week’s biggest winner?
Trade Deadline Team: Well, there’s no doubting that the Braves made far-and-away the move that most helps them in the near term, and most hurts them in the long term. As far as the rest of the league, I like what both the AL East nuclear powers did. *The Yankees are turning into a hella smart front office, and when coupled with their rejuvenated farm system and their financial resources, that has to be terrifying for the rest of the league.*
Let the Sox make whatever moves they want to.
Fact is they are in a very different position than the Yankees. The Sox are in all likelihood going to make the playoffs. For the Yankees that’s uncertain.
Because of that the Sox can think very, very short term. They have that luxury.
The Yankees don’t. The Yankees are in this position, stuch with guys like Giambi and Damon because over the past 10 years they have systematically done an awful job developing young players. The bill always comes due and this year is that year.
I don’t understand how people on the one hand complain endlessly about how terrible Damon is and how they can’t stand seeing him in the lineup and at the same time advocate trading Melky for a two month rental in Gagne.
How does that work? Melky might not be the next Junior Griffey but he’s shown he can hit in the majors at .280 + (this year maybe .300) and play gold glove caliber centerfield.
Check to see how many centerfielders hit .300 every year. Its not many. To trade one away for 30-40 innings of a relief pitcher is not worth it.
You can’t have it both ways – complaining about the older guys breaking down and wanting to trade the younger guys.
Hey, lets not forget Karstens is almost here too. Thats makes a pretty sweet bullpen wihtout making any trades.
SJ44 – thanks for keeping everyone level headed. Cashman is doing the right thing – as much as it hurts us all to see Boston do what we did for some many years we will be happy for it, if not this year, definitely next Spring. And there is no guarantee that it’ll work for them, as we well know.
Honestly, I’d rather have 3-4 young, kickass filthy pitchers with us starting tomorrow than to have made a panic trade for three months. Relax everyone, dont let your emotions blur the reality of the situation.
Compare the non-moves this year to the Abreu trade last year. Look at the marginal players we gave up for Abreu with the top prospects we’d have to give up for Gagne or Teixeira. There’s a world of difference.
Pete has talked about some fans’ “anti-Torre agenda,” but what about the “anti-Cashman agenda” of criticizing every move or non-move Cashman makes?
Tom-
Kenned is NOT a power pitcher. He’s Mussina like. So after calling him a power pitcher I don’t know where you get off making comparisons to masterson.
“Hey, lets not forget Karstens is almost here too.”
you mean K-back-A-back-R-back-S-back-TENS?
*Kennedy
and that sounds like an attack but I really didn’t mean to write it as such.
This trade should be meaningless to a Yankee fan and the Yanks themselves because the Yanks aren’t winning the A.L. East 8 games back with 2 months to play and so what? Making the postseason is all that matters and last I checked, the Yanks are only 4 games behind Cleveland for the wildcard.
If they draw Boston in the A.L.C.S., we’ll see what Gagne is made of.
i’m with “who cares” in that this trade doesn’t matter to the yankees that much.. gagne was probably one of those relievers like donnely who pushed the limits with p.e.d.s and is ( and will be) paying the price with a series of injuries. the red sox clearly did this as a blocking move. for a two month rental maybe it’ll be worth it and maybe it won’t. the yankees just need to focus on their own business and take care of the wild card. the playoffs start 0-0.
Gabbard can’t crack 86mph on a good day, Kennedy throws in the low 90’s and can hit 94.
Neither does Maddux or Glavine.
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