Game 106: White Sox at Yankees
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Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Phillips 1B
Cabrera CF
Mussina RHP (5-7, 4.77)
WHITE SOX
Owens CF
Fields 3B
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Pierzynski C
Dye RF
Podesdnik LF
Uribe SS
Richar 2B
Contreras RHP (5-13, 6.22)
Pregame chatter: The Yankees will play with 24 tonight as Wilson Betemit won’t arrive until tomorrow. … Alex Rodriguez, as you may have heard, is one home run away from 500. … Andy Phillips has an 11-game hit streak.
A few other things I wanted to pass along:
Brian Cashman said emphatically that Joba Chamberlain will be a starter come 2008. He is close to his innings cap this season, so using him as a reliever makes sense in that regard.
Doug Mientkiewicz will have an MRI Thursday to determine if he can start swinging and throwing.
Jason Giambi is still with Class A Tampa but will move up to Trenton or Scranton soon.
Joe Torre’s charity golf tournament in Westchester raised $400,000 yesterday. Sandy Koufax attended and Torre told a nice story of how Ron Guidry had never met him before and how thrilled he was to meet the Hall of Famer.
“Gator was like a little kid,” Torre said.
I ran into Guidry in the clubhouse and asked him about it. “Man,” he said. “It was great. He was a lot of fun to talk to.”
Lots to write tonight but I’ll get post some updates when I get a chance.
The Pirates traded for Matt Morris and picked up his entire contract. Why, nobody is sure.
UPDATE, 9:00 p.m.: Here’s the logo for the All-Star Game:
UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: It seems the Yankees could have gotten rid of Krazy Kyle. Atlanta was willing to trade the Yankees Bob Wickman but wanted all $7.1 million of Farnsworth’s salary. That was a no deal for Cashman.
Meanwhile, Cashman was praising Ross Ohlendorf, saying he hit 97 in a recent relief outing and could be somebody in the mix.
Tell you what, for years people have been saying the Yankees need to get younger. I agree with them. Younger player have hunger and passion and they need some doses of that. Using Chamberlain, Ramirez, Ohlendorf and Hughes down the stretch will be pretty interesting to watch. Gagne is good, but giving up Melky or Kennedy for 20 innings makes no sense.
UPDATE: 9:25 p.m.: If Hideki Matsui is not the AL Player of the Month in July there should be an investigation.
39 of 111 (.351), 13 homers, 28 RBI, 31 runs scored, hit safely in 26 of 28 games.
UPDATE, 9:36 p.m.: To quote the late, great Jack Buck, I don’t believe what I just saw. Kyle Farnsworth just tossed a 1-2-3 inning. That’s No. 5 of the season out of 45 appearances.
UPDATE, 9:47 p.m.: The eight home runs matches a franchise record set on June 28, 1939. It’s impossible to believe that seven Yankees could homer and none be Alex Rodriguez.
UPDATE, 9:58 p.m.: Indians lose, Yanks will be 3 down in the wild card. They will be 15-6 since the break (.714). Take another from Chicago then two from Kansas City and the Yankees will have done exactly what they needed to.
UPDATE, 10:01 p.m.: They’ve started playing again in Sarasota. Jason Giambi is 1 for 3 with a walk.
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Pete—I think a key question isn’t whether the Yankees should have given up Melky or Kennedy for a few months of Gagne, but why it seems that Texas was demanding more from NY than Boston. Is that true, and if so, why? Or was it that Epstein was a better negotiator than Cashman?
Yeah, my buddy at MVN is one of the Pirates’ writers. I asked him the same thing. I guess that’s why they’re the Pirates.
Anyway, I find it kind of unsettling that Giambi has 4 strikeouts in 2 games in Tampa.
It is not true.. Gabbard is 4 and 0 in the majors. Is he going to be a superstar, probably not but he appears to be a legit major leaguers.
There is no conspiracy going on, Gabbard is a major leaguer, Murphy a marginal player, but they also gave up a kid they paid $600k to sign and is like 17 yrs old.. The red sux did give up some talent…
time will tell on all these trades……
Columbus? That’s so 2006.
Do you think Pittsburgh would take Farnsworth and take on his salary too????
Pete had a brain cramp on that Columbus line….lol
Dave Littlefield is an absolute joke as a GM, how that guy has yet to be fired is beyond me.
giambi is what he is. he’s sheffield all over again. can’t wait to see him bump damon to CF and melky to the bench.
the thing about prospects is, this organization has been so dry for so long that people wet themselves over guys like horne and kennedy. it’s okay to have prospects and deal some of them away, too. the yankees have just made a habit of dealing all of them away for so long, that some people forget that not every prospect pans out.
trading horne or kennedy for a two-month rental wouldn’t have been the end of the world, all things considered. you can’t fault cashman for hanging on to guys with talent and potential, but there’s a fine line between protecting your future and overvaluing your prospects.
Yes! Please ship Giambi to Columbus.
I can’t believe we couldn’t unload Farnsworth on Pittsburgh…
Pete,,,come on, man…give us something on Krazy Kyle ….I KNOW that you had to ask Cash about it….why won’t you give us the scoop ??….why are you holding out on us ??? we all want to know !!!
Howie – I know. I remember how happy I was last year when they took Chacon.
Pete, what’s the mood around the clubhouse? I’m just wondering if they players are down at all because they didnt get any help. I remember when Abreu showed up last year, it was like some lit a fire under the team psychologically – and they played amazingly. Some of it was just Abreu, but some of it too was that they felt like a stronger team.
Is the reverse happening this year?
And do you think Boston will get a psychological lift now too?
Imagine all the guys who froze Farnsworth out of the clubhouse because they figured they’d never have to see him again. Whoops!
Baltimore is demolishing Boston 1-0 in the top of the first off Beckett. Roberts hits a leadoff homerun. That game is now over……LOL !
Beckett homer on the first pitch of the game. Let’s go Yankees!
The bad news: Looks like Boston is now the odds-on favor to win the World Series.
The good news: Lately, the odds-on favor never seems to win the World Series.
Nice inning, Moose. How about 6 more like that? Thx.
is it just me or does moose have a conditioning issue. he seems to get really tired in the 4th and 5th innings. i know he’s getting older but maybe a few laps in the pool might help him out
Oh, wow. Ozzie already ejected.
what was he ejected for?
HaHa. Premature ejection. 6 pitches.
Stuart, 4 games does not a major leaguer make. Its the smallest of sample sizes, and if you look at some stats like his Batting average of balls in play, its absurdly low, which really indicates that he is due for a correction, aka, giving up a lot more hits. If you look at his career minor league #s, the indicate a Karstens type.
So basically, its as if the Yanks offered Karstens and Gardner for Gagne, which of course would have been laughed at by the Rangers, yet for the Sox its ok
kasey –
again, not too good with facts! Giambi has won an MVP! Gary (I hate everyone and took PDEs) not so much.
You know nothing about the minor league players so how can you make an assessment?
that jeter went around on a 1-2 pitch. jeter did, but ump said he checked.
bobbbbbbbbbby
Yankees game is over…..So now we are only 7 games back in the division and after Cleveland loses,,,we are only 3 games back in the Wild Card ! SWEET !….next !
ABREU!!!!
nice spot for number 500 here !!!
In response to numerous people bashing abreu throughout the day…I agree, he has COMPLETELY lost all pop and power in his bat
Curt Schilling is on Jeopardy (probably over by now) and looking like a moron. Ended up with $0 after final jeopardy.
What a tool.
O.K. If Alex can’t get a HR off Jose, he’s definitely pressing.
his eye is WAY off…how could he take that pitch ????????
Well at least Moose is staked to an early lead, no excuses for him tonight.
HOW could we let Contreras go ? man, this guy is a WORLD BEATER !!!
Matsui!
man, poor arod – homers around him. Abreu and Matsui… dude has got to relax.
man, contreras is a wreck out there.
i wonder if mussina will give up a lead-off walk or a lead-off double to start the 2nd. gonna be one or the other.
a four-run lead. that oughta buy moose 2, maybe 3 innings.
Yeah, A-Rod had a ball he could drive that he just took.
Could have easily been back-to-back-to-back.
YanksFanLV…..what planet are you on ? We could stake Moose to a 10 run lead, and he would still complain…the dude needs to go away….IMO, next year send him to Boston…really…tell Boston they can have him….How many runs do you think we need with him up there ? I won’t feel safe until a 7 is on the board ( which MAY be this inning, huh ? )
Holy crap this is getting ugly quick.
Nice Kaj, well I guess I may be on another planet because Moose always has something to complain about. But who knows maybe we will see 7 on the board this inning.
Youk struck out to end the Boston threat…Orioles still are absolutely POUNDING the unbeatable odds on favorites to win the World Series, the untouchable, can do no wrong team of the 21st Century…those Boston Red Sox…by the dominating score of 1-0…
I want the Yankees to win, but I feel bad for Jose. He was a good guy.
Ugly ?,,,,this is a thing of complete beauty…GO YANKEES !
kasey-
remind me again why you are on the planet?
why do you post here?
When ever I start to feel bad for a baseball player I just think about how much more money they make than me for playing a game and I don’t care anymore.
Hobs – Well said, good point.
lead off single – kasey – you were half right
Posted it on the previous thread. Reposting to make sure you wont miss it ..
Kasey/Randy Hater,
Do you guys even think for a second before questioning the integrity of a person managing a $1B enterprise. Why would Brian Cashman lie. If he said he couldn’t get the rangers to lay off of the top prospects, I believe him. Does it even occur to you guys that in the Rangers opinion the sox offer was better than anything the yankees offer outside of the top 4 prospects. Or that texas could be looking for an ML ready pitcher (given the current state of their rotation) which the yankees dont have outside the top 3? Dont try to act smart. You are not as smart as you think you are (doesn’t mean you are stupid). The sooner you realize it, the better it is for people on the blog.
If this becomes a blowout, expect a Farnsworth sighting. Got to get him back in the saddle. lol.
good job cash u screwed us again. And the worst GM ever award goes to our wonderful and brilliant Cashmoney. Somehow texas was asking for an arm and a leg for Gagne from us but the suxx got him for Kason gabbard who had a career era of over 4 in the minors as the centerpiece of their deal. And who needs alan horne when we have Wang, Hughes, chamberlain and kennedy. How many starting pitching prospects do u think will actually pan out? And the pride of our franchise and one of the smartest guys on the yanks yesterday basically begs cash for bullpen help and what does he do? Not only does he not provide the pen with help but he trades away one of the major pieces. To put the icing on the cake, that piece wasnt even farnsworthless who needed to go almost as much as cash himself needs to go. At first, I wanted to trade farnsworth for a bag of balls but now I just want to trade cashmoney for a bag of balls. Actually id give someone the bag just to take him off our hands. You dug ur own deep grave Brian – now lie in it and ill help u put the dirt over your head.
Matsui has 12 homers this month with 26 RBIs.
Outstanding month.
kasey exists to be ridiculed…nothing more, nothing less..
Nice play by Andy going to second, and nice stop by Alex.
Meanwhile, up in Boston, Dan Shaughnessy is wetting his pants over the Sox picking up Gagne and the Celtics getting Garnett on the same day.
http://tinyurl.com/24hpwm
“Which brings us to the Red Sox. Remember when the Yankees stockpiled stars and contracts like the cold war Soviet Union stacking nuclear missiles? The Red Sox have become the Yankees and John Henry is playing the part of George Steinbrenner with more believability (if less bluster) than Oliver Platt…In one swift trade-deadline motion, the Sox made themselves October favorites while the Yankees slept.”
I’m not that sold on Gagne and I’m glad Cashman didn’t lose his mind over him. Maybe the Sox will take it this year, but long-term, I like our chances a lot better than Boston’s.
Trading Kennedy of Horne for 20 innings from Gagne would have been dumb. It is the guys in the tier below them you trade.
And it looks like Gagne couldnt get the outs in the 1st for Boston, could Beckett be starting his annual melt down? If he is, then Gagne doesnt matter.
And if we play to our potential and put up runs like in the 1st, we dont need him either. Hughes and Joba give us the biggest pitching improvement of any team. Swapping Edwar for Bruney cant hurt either. I was disappointed for a while too, but big picture is we’re on an up slope, Boston has peaked, and Cleveland are tanking.
On my Ipod – a variation of “Hand in my pocket”
I suck but I’m whining.
I’m mean but I’m overpaid.
I try but I’m stubborn
I pitch but I’m overwhelmed…
oh screw it
While I would have liked for us to get Gagne I’m glad we didn’t espically at that price. They wanted too much for the Yankees. He has become injury prone. His last full season was in 2004!! Would that have been worth it for a 2 month rental?
Nettles u have to be kidding me …
they took kason gabbard from the soxx how high a price could they have been asking – we have about fifteen prospects that put up better numbers than gabbard ever did. Rasner has better numbers than gabbard. I dont get it
UGH MIKE YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!
I have to admit…THAT was nice pitch…too bad the batter didn’t fall for it…..and the payoff here is ????……………………….3 run HOMER !! for the White Sox !,,,,Moose…we are sorry we only scored 4 runs for you,,,we know that is not enough….we will do better…again…sorry Moose…we know that we don’t do enuff for you….
Um Dave do you ever think that maybe teams don’t want to help the Yankees and look to rob them?
Moose… what the hell…
TKinDC…think you owe Kasey an apology… Mussina has just blown his security to a guy batting .217
Haven’t most of you guys been complaining all season about the Yanks letting the kids play instead of buying and trading for players on the downside of their careers?
Well, it looks like that’s exactly what Cashman has decided to do.
The non-moves today is opening the door for the kids because they are going to promote from within:
*Joba Chamberlain
*Edwar Ramirez
*Ross Ohlendorf
*Chris Britton
*Jeff Karstens
You guys can’t have it both ways. You can’t complain about not letting the kids get their opportunities and then now complain again when they are now doing that.
meanwhile…Baltimore extends their insurmountable lead over the Red Sux…now 2-0, with a man about to score from third….
What’s Moose’s problem!! OMG
Mussina is just god awful.. I can’t take another year of him. 4-3 now. A 3-run HR to Uribe, TERRIBLE!!
Moose can suck my ass
Leave it to Moose.
Does it really matter if Mientkiewicz can swing a bat?
There is no place for him on this team.
Moose sucks I cant stand this guy. He gives up a two out 3-run HR to juan uribe what a joke!
ouch moose. NOW bring up Kennedy
Knowing this team, they’ll fail to score another run tonight.
O’s are *HULIATING* those guys !!!( INTENTIONAL Misspell ) 4-0….. Red Sox are considering forfeiting the game…LOL !!!
Pepper -
Remind me when I said Moose would shut out the Pale Hose?
Oh that’s right I didn’t – here I thought I predicted an undefeated finish – - – phew
Dave – I don’t think Gagne would have been enough to get us to the playoffs, and I think Cash didn’t think he was either. Plus, he’s been healthy for what, two months out of the last three years? Whatever Texas wanted, wasn’t what Cash was willing to part with. Do you know who they wanted from New York? Are there any details floating around?
Eric would have been a two-month Yankee and frankly, I’m sick to death of that kind of philosophy that typified so many Yankees deals over the years.
This is why you don’t trade Ian Kennedy. You will need him to replace Mussina. The sooner the better.
You never trade 22 year old arms, when you have somebody like Mike Mussina in your rotation.
Another garbage outing from Mussina. Staked to a 4 run lead, he does what he always does….give runs back the half inning after they score, nibble like crazy, and get beat by a .217 hitter.
The sooner he is off this team, the sooner this team can get back to being a title contender. He’s been awful since July of last year and there is no letting up with him. He’s a symbol of the futility of the “spend at any cost” era. Shut him down, bring up Kennedy, and move on.
You pitch Moose in the next two innings, kiss this game goodbye. He’s done.
That pitch Moose threw was a good pitch. Can’t blame him for the home run. But you can blame him for the other two runners on base when Uribe hit the home run. It should have happened an inning later. Or not at all.
He’ll pitch well for the rest of the game, though.
… and Mike Mussina has the gall to chide me! Moose tries and fails…. I’m one step ahead… I never try!
ANyone apologize to Kasey yet over Moose?
Ryan
July 31st, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Knowing this team, they’ll fail to score another run tonight.
Ryan,,,you know NOTHING….Yankees are headed for a complete blowout tonight….IMO…just watch !!!
myrtlebeachfan ….I like your attitude…way to project positive…nice to see !!!
“meanwhile…Baltimore extends their insurmountable lead over the Red Sux…now 2-0, with a man about to score from third….”
red sux are stinky stinkerson. papelzit is toast. anti-yankee conspiracy. espn is redsuxspn… yawn…. barf.
Ha. That sign that said “The Next Michael Kay!” with arrows pointing down was HILARIOUS.
The one thing I cant get past is that we still have another year of watching Moose. I might kill myself.
At the beginning of a 162 game season you might be able to afford having the Mike Mussina we are now seeing pitch as the fifth starter.
If you need to play .650 ball over the last 60-70 games of the season then having a fifth starter this weak is a big problem.
Having an inconsistent to weak start every fifth day by Mussina is going to hurt this team over the final two months.
They don’t have the margin of error to compensate for a guy pitching to a 5 ERA in any one of the five starting slots.
Jennifer, texas doesnt want to help out the yanks but they want to help the sox who have one of the best records in baseball … umm I am a little skeptical of that excuse and this is not the first time I have heard that. I admit most times dont want to help the yanks but they dont want to helo the sox either especially if they have the best record. Texas isnt even in the playoff race at this point so objective thinking would lead me to believe that texas would have have gagne to whichever team offered them the best package. The yanks could have certainly given texas a better package so once again, I dont understand why cash said the price was over our head. Giving them Horne and karstens alone seems like a better deal numbers wise and talent wise than what the sox offered.
Chuckles I dont get ur logic – u r saying because they didnt trade for gagne, they can bring up edwar, karstens, chamberlain and others. Why couldnt they get gagne and still bring the kids up and send down the guys that suck and have made this bullpen one of the worst in the league.
Now Mike why couldn’t you do that last inning.
yea lol that kid needs a chick bad!
Moose got ahead 0 and 2 on every hitter that inning and put them away quickly. Very good rebound by Mussina
Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. Gagne for Melky and Kennedy is too much. If the Red Sox feel it’s worth it to deal away their promising young players to fix a part of the team that doesn’t really need fixing, it’s ok by me.
Gagne wasn’t going to deliver the Yankees to the postseason, in fact, it’s very possible the Yankees won’t make the postseason at all (gasp!). But if that means that next season Joba and Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera contribute to a postseason run or maybe even a championship, then I’ll take one year off from the playoffs in exchange for that.
wait tim i thought that matsui and abreu had little power?
I can pitch better than Mussina. But I choose not to pitch.
A good pitch on the HR? He’s 0-2 on a .217 hitter and nibbles himself back into the count. He’s 0-2 on Podsetnick and does the same thing.
That’s Moose. He can’t hold leads, nibbles too much, whines and fails. That’s what he has been since July of last year, when he lost his fastball.
He is what he is. However, now everybody can see why they didn’t trade Kennedy today. He will be the next start they recall before this season is done.
Can’t happen soon enough for me. I’ve been tired of Moose’s crap for years now. Hopefully, the Yankees feel the same way.
500 time !!!
CB –
I respect your knowledge/opinion about the yanks, but you can’t fire a guy w/o replacing him.
Who is your replacement 242 game winner for Moose?
If you don’t care about experience, why do you trust Kennedy? Clipp? Wright? etc?:
Alex will hit it out now.
Moose seems to like the top of the order – he’s gone 1-2-3 both times he’s faced them.
Maybe he’ll just have the one bad inning? (fingers crossed)
Meanwhile, Abreu is EN FUEGO!!!
SJ44…totally agree with you….DANG ! that was close !
Teams always seek to extract more from the Yankees than other teams. Remember the Shill sweepstakes? From us the ‘Backs wanted Soriano. From the bosox, they wanted Fossum and a bag of balls. You cannot blame Cash for this. He did the right thing not giving up Kennedy (who is #5 on Baseball America’s Hot Prospect List). It is simply a cost of doing business that teams expect to get more from the Yankees. I do wonder about shipping out Proctor for someone for whom there is no obvious place to play. Thanks to Torre, Proctor has lost several mph and frankly should be happy his arm is still attached to his body. But he was still better than most who crawl out of that pen. When they did that deal, I thought it meant we had the inside track on Gagne as areplacement. Not so.
He’ll do it in his next ab. He almost had it.
Gah.
A-Rod’s getting there…
Agreed, Jonathon.
It was the right move not letting Kennedy go.
4-2 O’s now.
At least A-Rod now looks like he is dialing it in….His swing that time looked like the effortless swing that put up the first 499 dingers !,,,Come on Matzilla !!!
SJ, it doesn’t change that the pitch he hit over was a good pitch. Yes it wasn’t the best pitched at bat, but that pitch was a good one.
And Moose was our best starter last year ERA wise. You all act like he’s been horrible for a while. This is his first bad year. He had a better ERA than Wang last season.
Good post, Jonathon. I can live with a year off from the playoffs if I have to, as much as it would suck. But, man, our future pitching just looks fantastic! Can you say D-Y-N-A-S-T-Y?
How can someone question what Cashman should have done if he is saying “Texas wouldn’t move off certain players”.
If that’s true, then it didn’t matter what he offered, unless Texas got the players they wanted from the Yankees.
We may think that Horne and/or Karstans would have been enough. However, if Texas only wanted Hughes, Cabrera, Chamberlain or Kennedy, it wasn’t going to work.
dontcha know!
Reportedly – Texas wanted Melky or Kennedy
yes, the Yankees won’t score any more this game….MORON !
Okay Mike got his runs back.
And why is it that everyone else is hitting homeruns BUT ALEX!!!
Btw I met Mussina this weekend, he is a nice guy contrary to popular belief.
And for all the Cashman haters out there…let’s not forget that he got Abreu for nothing last year and despite how you might feel about his performance this year, he was a key part of the Yankees making the playoffs last year.
Yeah Robbie!
jeezus – poor alex – he’s gonna be the only yankee today without a homer.
Yankees up 7-0…Boston DOWN 4-2,,,where are all the mouthy ignoramus Red Sux Fans now ??? LOL !!!
Good night, Jose! It was nice seeing you again. Reminds me of your prior pitching performances in New York!
I’m being entirely selfish, but I kind of hope A-Rod waits til tomorrow to hit #500 when I am in attendance. I mean, he’s waited this long already, right?
Kaj it is still very early. Wait until the last out before calling out the red sux fans. PLEASE!!
_Chuckles I dont get ur logic – u r saying because they didnt trade for gagne, they can bring up edwar, karstens, chamberlain and others. Why couldnt they get gagne and still bring the kids up and send down the guys that suck and have made this bullpen one of the worst in the league._
Kennedy and/or Melky was too high of a price for a 2-month rental.
They still have a legit shot at the post-season in the Wildcard race.
It wasn’t worth mortgaging the future for a rental who is one step out of the bathtub away from the 60-day DL.
Cano!!!
All right, Mike. Up by 4 runs again, let’s keep it steady.
Pressure, Jennifer, pressure. A-Rod is pretty wound up right now, according to Torre. Plus, all the flashbulbs going off on every pitch can’t be helping him either.
Yeah, I mean ever heard of counting your chickens?
umm… isn’t it 7-3?
You should see the amount of flashes in person. It is unreal. I was at Saturday nights game and the place lit up. I finally gave up on trying to catch it. At least it is a digital camera so I could delete all the balls and swings and misses. LOL
A-Rod must REALLY feel bad right now.
Come on Alex JOIN the party!!
“Yankees up 7-0…Boston DOWN 4-2,,,where are all the mouthy ignoramus Red Sux Fans now ??? LOL !!!”
you do realize the difference in quality between Contreras and Bedard? Right? You can look up the stats at ESPN or maybe Yahoo Sports if ESPN is too biased for your liking. you just have to write yahoo.com in the the URL, the bar on the top of the screen, click on sports, click on MLB…. aww I think you get the picture. Right?
Nettles – love the screenname…
Exactly…I know it’s hard to say how good these pitchers will be but imagine a rotation of Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and when the Yankees open the new Stadium in 2009. It’s really exciting to think about!
And that’s why you don’t trade Melky for a broken down reliever!!!!
Go Yanks!!!!
From July of last year to now, Moose has been awful. Go back and chart his starts. His innings and strikeouts are down, his HR’s are up, he can’t hold leads, and he always gives up runs the half inning after they score.
He has nothing left. Add in the whining to the umps in every start, you have a guy who no longer can get the job done. The sooner Kennedy gets here to replace him, the better.
You can talk about Igawa, Gagne, Sheffield and any other move all you want. However, IMO, the single biggest mistake Cashman made this off-season was commiting two guaranteed years to a guy with nothing left.
It should have been one year with an option and if he turned it down, move onto Ted Lilly.
You can’t decide to “go young”, then give a 26 million dollars deal to a shot pitcher. That was a big mistake, IMO.
Now, they have to get Moose out of this game the first sign of trouble. They can’t afford him giving anymore runs back again.
Melky also showing why you don’t trade him for a setup guy.
The future of this team are the young players. The more they get here, the better.
yea kaj i love the enthusiasm but not so fast. i agree jennifer
btw Kaj- 7-3. do you eat paint chips?
I think the bench coach might get himself thrown out of the game. He can’t even watch anymore!!
TKinDC,
Very fair point. You can’t just fire someone without replacing him.
I would watch both kennedy and karstens and take it from there.
Kennedy in particular. If he dominates Scranton I would give him a call up. He may not be great but he may already be better than Mussina is now.
Its not my preference to make a move on Mussina, but I do get the feeling that if they want to do everything possible to get into the playoffs they will need to.
One thing I’m particularly concerned about is that very difficult stretch coming up against Detroit and the Angels, etc.
Mussina may get exposed very badly then.
See. This is why we kept Melky. Screw Gagne.
Also, it looks like every Yankee feels like going yard tonight. Hopefully A-Rod does too.
Is it just me? Or is the ball really carrying to LF tonight. Both Uribe and Melky’s HRs did not see to have it off the bat.
“It wasn’t worth mortgaging the future for a rental who is one step out of the bathtub away from the 60-day DL.”
lmao. that is too funny.
“You pitch Moose in the next two innings, kiss this game goodbye. He’s done.”
even with the score 9-3, i could not agree more with this statement.
if you were surprised by mussina’s performance, you haven’t been watching him pitch this year. if he doesn’t get a lead, he complains about having to nibble and getting no run support. if he does get a lead, he coughs it up IMMEDIATELY.
if you think he’s finished giving up runs for the day, you’re outside your mind. a 9-3 game is like a 3-3 game with mussina on the mound. not a chance he has a clean inning in the 4th.
kennedy’s not ready yet, but karstens could give them better than this, and i don’t particularly like karstens. i want mussina out of the rotation yesterday.
rich thats a great point but you dont have to be rude. not only is he a better hitter. the games arent over. AND the sox are threatening
I love the Melkman. His enthusiasm is infecting. What would he do with more playing time? Leave him at center and let him blossom
I say again – Poor Alex – every Yankee is going to have a homer tonight –
I’m saying it now – next time up – Arod hits it out.
I challenge that, kasey.
I think Mussina doesnt allow another run.
Just pointing out that the Red Sux fans ONLY spout off at the mouth when things are in THEIR Favor….they will stay on their blogs and/or in their momma’s basement watching the games, then you hear NOTHING until it appears that their team will win OR we will lose….TOTAL LOSERS that will be celebrating WAY EARLY if they think they have won ANY DAMN THING YET !!!
“Yankees up 7-0…Boston DOWN 4-2,,,where are all the mouthy ignoramus Red Sux Fans now ??? LOL !!!”
i would guess that they’re on a boston board somewhere talking about their team’s 8 game lead in the division.
Andrea, I’m feeling really selfish because I want A-Rod to hit #500 when I’m there for the Boston series! (j/k!)
the future of this team is SO promising. not only that but lets be honest this isnt a small market where they say that every year but they never will. this is the yankees. and not trying to sound idiotic but how many mores on mussinas contract?
Glad Cashman didn’t trade Melky….And thinking about, it was Cashman who fought off the Tampa Group who wanted to include Cano in the Johnson deal….
Let them talk about their 8 game lead. We’re going to talk about the awesome game we’re watching.
kasey…why don’t you join them and NEVER come back here ?
oy vey
wow cano is slick
“kasey…why don’t you join them and NEVER come back here ?”
love to, sweetheart, but it turns out your opinion means nothing to me. don’t read my posts if you don’t like them. otherwise, keep posting your nonsense. how’d teixeira to yankees for unnamed prospects work out, genius?
oh, and there’s mussina’s leadoff double the half-inning after an offensive outburst.
“f;;; that thats bull sh;;” is what aj said i believe
Kasey…why don’t you show us all the trophy that a team gets for being 8 games up in the division on July 31st ? Go over to the Boston Blog and talk about your team’s GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT…..YOU GUYS WIN !!! You win…uh….you win…oh…yes…you win NOTHING !!! Have fun with that “feather in your cap”…!!!
Future of the Yankees: Wang, Hughes, Joba, Cano, Melky, Kennedy
When I first heard that Gagne went to Blo Sux, I was calling for Cashman’s head. But when I heard that Texas demanded Melky OR Kennedy, I applauded Cashman’s choice.
Melky’s not just any ordinary 4th outfielder. He’s an irreplaceable. very talented everyday CF!
“Just pointing out that the Red Sux fans ONLY spout off at the mouth when things are in THEIR Favor….they will stay on their blogs and/or in their momma’s basement watching the games, then you hear NOTHING until it appears that their team will win OR we will lose….TOTAL LOSERS that will be celebrating WAY EARLY if they think they have won ANY DAMN THING YET !!!”
nice use of CAPS. ill bet youre forced to wear a HELMET at all TIMES and like to eat PASTE. or maybe… is it.. Dan Shaughnessy?
kasey…we LOVE your posts….keep showing your @$$ here…it’s entertaining !!!
kasey you speak the truth but we dont always want to hear that we hear it all the time cant we be happy about us winning
Nice work out there by Moose
“a 9-3 game is like a 3-3 game with mussina on the mound.”
dude put down the crack pipe
Moose got style
lol theres andrea!
ok rich, if it makes me seem eentelligent in your world, i will use only small letters….how did you just like lugo taking strike 3 with the bases loaded, loser ? was that fun for you ?…oops, dropped my helmut….
Moose is dealing. They should play Cano up the middle every time Moose pitches because they are crushing his softballs.
I readily admit, I am not a Moose fan. I hate nibblers and whiners and, when you blow multi-run post-season leads 3 years in a row, you are on my s— List.
That said, Kennedy is going to have to get ready. I can’t see how in the world Mike Mussina is going to hold up and get outs the rest of this season in games they need to win.
His defense has bailed his butt out so far tonight. He is not pitching well.
They already got rid of one soft tosser who can’t win (Igawa). Now, they have to work on the next one.
Give me a rotation of Wang, Rocket, Pettitte, Hughes and Kennedy the rest of the way, with Chamberlain in the bullpen, and I’ll take my chances competing for a playoff spot.
The sooner they flush away their failed past, which Moose represents, the better.
From KC
“You pitch Moose in the next two innings, kiss this game goodbye. He’s done.�
even with the score 9-3, i could not agree more with this statement.
Some small part of me wishes that it was painful to be consistently wrong. Guess we have to rely on shame from being a ’round the clock moron.
“ok rich, if it makes me seem eentelligent in your world, i will use only small letters….how did you just like lugo taking strike 3 with the bases loaded, loser ? was that fun for you ?…oops, dropped my helmut….”
it should HAVE been ball FOUR as highlights SHOW on the REPLAY.
“July 31st, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Kasey…why don’t you show us all the trophy that a team gets for being 8 games up in the division on July 31st ?”
there isn’t one. but don’t you think it’s kind of stupid to be calling out red sox fans while the yankees are 8 games back in the division? that’s all i’m saying. calm down, einstein.
nettles: I’d allow the selfishness, but the Boston series is WAY too far away! would you settle for #515 or #520?
Man A Rod is scorching the ball tonight. Caused a Jermaine Dye face plant there.
Gah, wall.
Good catch by Dye, a bruise or something from it.
Here comes the slump.
Wakefield – ropey, getting worse every month.
Dice K – last start bombed.
Schilling – in AAA, horrible all yr
Lester – only 2 starts back, cant be counted on
Beckett – tonight 4 innings 4 runs
Cover – see Texas
Sometimes bullpens dont matter
wow…that was a nice catch…A-Rod needed one more biscuit for breakfast I guess…It looks like he has his swing back though, huh ?
a-rod’s closing in. going the opposite way, which is a good sign.
this slump is not even remotely surprising, though. anyone remember how he played when he was closing in on the 40/40 club? terrrrible slump.
Cleveland is losing 3-0 in the sixth. Although, without Gagne to close this game out, Texas is likely to not be able to hold the Indians.
Or not.
poor A Rod. it’ll feel so good to get this thing done tonight. This crowd is great. What’s everyone dringking tonight? I’m dringking saporro, again.
Yeah that one run game that Dice K pitched and the other where he allowed 2 runs were HORRIBLE…
poor a-rod.
five home runs and not a one of them came off of a-rod’s bat. who’d have guessed that?
I think everyone’s going to get a HR tonight but A Rod. now that would be ironic.
I meant what’s everyone drinking? the ballpark can’t hold a fly ball tonight. ARod has to hit one.
Hip hip Jorge!
So, yeah. Every Yankee wants to hit a homer today.
what do we wanna start the odds at that everybody on the team gets a homer before Arod
What are the odds that 5 different Yankees hit a home run and none are named A-Rod
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player....._id=493137
Dice-K had two bad starts on the 8th and 14th. he’s been good all year, save the few starts against the yankees
think that Torre gives Farnsworth one more shot with a big lead?
Just think when you’re sitting in the New Stadium, many who called for Cashman’s ass will be thankful that he passed on todays garbage sale…..You’ll be watching the best starting rotation in baseball……And then remember today….It didn’t work in the 80’s and wasn’t working in the 2000’s…..
i don’t know why people are worried about boston right now. the mariners and the indians are the two teams directly in front of the yankees in the playoff race, and the mariners are going to fold like a cheap card table.
there’s no shame in the wild card.
Boy – I would like all the trolls to know how sorry I am for all of these lasers tha yankees are hitting.
In this moment of distress, I would like to tell you how sorry that I am that you will have to see this so frequently in the closing months of the season.
Well, there’s always the 38pitches.com and other hater boards!
b’bye!
TK
Home runs for everyone! ARod gets closer and closer with each at bat. One is going out tonight! Meanwhile this place lights up like a Christmas tree with each pitch to him. Has to be distracting.
SJ44 —
“The sooner they flush away their failed past, which Moose represents, the better.”
I agree with you about Mussina. Cheers on the Mussina rant. I can’t wait till he is finally gone.
pat m- agreed.
Brian M
July 31st, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Here comes the slump.
Wakefield – ropey, getting worse every month.
Dice K – last start bombed.
Schilling – in AAA, horrible all yr
Lester – only 2 starts back, cant be counted on
Beckett – tonight 4 innings 4 runs
Cover – see Texas
Sometimes bullpens dont matter
( nice post ! ) I totally agree with you and will enjoy the show along with all the other true Yankees Fans !
5 Homeruns, 5 different players, care to join the party Alex?
Couldn’t agree more Pat.
Using money wisely is the way to go. The Yankees have done that with the draft and in two years went from one of the worst farm systems in baseball, to one of the best.
Now, they need the flush the roster of the last remnants of the failed strategies in the off-season. Using money wisely, and not being afraid of playing young players, is the way to go.
Posada is having one heck of a year. The catcher deserves a lot of kudos for getting the job done. Handling one funky pitching staff and hitting like crazy. I don’t think Jorge gets enough credit…
I wonder if Schilling will talk on 38pitches.com about how STUPID he came off on Jeopardy today.
5 homers given up by the Wsox… c’mon arod – tonight is your night.
kasey, there is certainly no shame in the wild card, which is going to be the only shot the Red Sox have of making the playoffs when all is said and done…the wild card lead for the Yankees will be but a brief stop on our way to the top of the A.L.
Coming into tonight Mussina has a 4.12 era since the start of june. he’s averaging about 6 innings a start. Not that bad for a fifth starter. chill guys…you aren’t gonna have aces up and down the rotation.
Andrea he actually had the nerve to go back on the show after his last horrid preformance?
don’t worry about boston. CLE and SEA matter more right now. Folks, the Yanks have shown they can get to BOS pitching. All of it. we’ll see them soon enough.
kasey’s right – once the playoff’s start – as long as we’re in it – everyone starts at 0-0
hello?offense?…where is this icehole when we are scoring 11 runs ???…oh, I forot, he is crying to his mommy that his loser team is getting smoked by Baltimore….. LOL !!!
pat m –
“It didn’t work in the 80’s and wasn’t working in the 2000’s…..”
RIGHT ON!!!!
WAIT! FARNSWORTH HASNT BEEN TRADED>?!?!
Moose is pitching well tonight. Besides that one inning, he has been getting way ahead of batters and finishing them off. I dont know what else you guys want from him.
“Here comes the slump.
Wakefield – ropey, getting worse every month.
Dice K – last start bombed.
Schilling – in AAA, horrible all yr
Lester – only 2 starts back, cant be counted on
Beckett – tonight 4 innings 4 runs
Cover – see Texas
Sometimes bullpens dont matter”
where should i begin?
1.wakefield- won 5/6 starts in july!
2. dice-k- 5 ER and 17 ks in last 3 starts
3. schilling- 6-4 4.2 era MLB
4. lester- only s starts (just like Hughes- who is expected to be counted on)
5.beckett- oh hell- youre right- DFA- he lost 1-0 last start. what a loser!
“the wild card lead for the Yankees will be but a brief stop on our way to the top of the A.L.”
nothing wrong with that mentality. i was just saying taunting boston fans is maybe a bit premature given their lead.
we all want the yankees to make the playoffs. we’d all love for them to win the division. of the two scenarios, i think the wild card is more likely, but there’s nothing wrong with hoping for the division.
jennfer: i didn’t see his last horrid performance. I only watched a couple minutes of it, but he looked like a giant idiot. He barely buzzered in but when he did he just had the dumbest answers. He actually answered a question with Nancy Drew when it was about REAL LIFE celebrities. He chuckled afterwards, but I am not convinced he was joking. I hope his thumb falls off.
Kasey,
what are you doing allowing fans to be hopeful? I thought your job was to squash positive feelings and spread doom and gloom over Yankeeland?
alexT — I want him not to give up a 2-run lead in Game 2 of the 2006 DS
The Yanks aren’t going to “get rid of Moose.”
He is signed for next season and has a full no-trade clause as a 10-5 player.
Lilly wasn’t the right move either. I’ll say that until I’m blue in the face because he has been a career .500 pitcher.
Lilly would have taken 4 years of committment to get him. He would have been dead weight on this roster in the not too distant future — which is exactly what you guys always complain about with this team.
He also would be blocking Kennedy from the rotation next season.
The Yanks are in pretty good shape the rest of 2007 if Moose is their worst starter.
rich if youre such a sox fan why are you on this blog? it doesnt make sense. youre welcome to your opinion but post it somewhere else
Farnsworth wasn’t traded because no one was dumb enough to take his $7 mil salary, his bad attitidue, and his crappy pitching.
“Another garbage outing from Mussina. Staked to a 4 run lead, he does what he always does….give runs back the half inning after they score, nibble like crazy, and get beat by a .217 hitter.
The sooner he is off this team, the sooner this team can get back to being a title contender. He’s been awful since July of last year and there is no letting up with him. He’s a symbol of the futility of the “spend at any cost� era. Shut him down, bring up Kennedy, and move on.
You pitch Moose in the next two innings, kiss this game goodbye. He’s done.”
I guess you were wrong again about the Moose.
I’m not sure what game your watching, but these comments seem a bit extreme. I’m watching a five hitter through 5 innings and 3 runs by the Moose, 4ks an no walks. This is a solid performance thus far. If you offered me that on any given night by any of our starters I would take it.
Sj, I know you are capable of objective rational thought, but these extreme comments on the moose smell of some kind of vendetta.
Most teams would be thrilled with the job Moose has done tonight and in the vast majority of his outings this season.
BJ
This may be a crazy thought and maybe I am a little sore about Gagne going to the Sox, but….I think that ever since the D-Backs traded Curt Schilling to the Sox for basically nothing that Bud Selig has demanded of as many owners as possible to not deal any good players to the Yankees unless the Yankees over-pay with prospects, players, etc….Jerry Colangelo was not going to trade Schilling to us and Texas demanded much more than they did from the Sox for Gagne..this is part of Selig’s grand plan…if the Yankees aren’t winning the World Series all is OK with baseball and the salary structure/revenue sharing, etc…when the Yankees were winning people were complaining about our payroll (which they still do, but were not winning anymore)….Selig likes it this way even though we give so much money in revenue sharing….be careful though BUD, the Sox are spending alot of money now and you may have to soon add them to your blackball list…on another note..no way Melky leaves centerfield, he will be there the next 12 years…he is good now and will get better offensively and defensively….so Damon be ready to play a little left, and split time DH with Giambi who could be a valuable pinch hitter off the bench and play a little first base…
Jonathan, the Yankees needed to come back and beat the Tigers. That DS isn’t hung on Moose. Sure he didnt have his best game, but the Yankee bats were absolutely horrible and you’re not hanging that on them. Can’t be selective on who you criticize for the same mistakes.
Does anyone here think that the Proctor trade may have been Cashman telling Torre that he has to use other guys out of the pen? Cashman thinks they have the arms in the system, but if you bring them up one at a time, Torre just keeps using Villone, Myers, Proctor, Viz and Mariano. This move takes one of Joe’s safety valves away and now he’ll have to use Edwar and Joba.
Of course, the Yanks have been trying to get Betemit for over a year, so this could just be the conclusion of a long chase, but I thought maybe moving Proctor opens a door for a younger guy or two.
kasey…I am going to take back anything bad I ever said about you and only remember the positive feeling of you last post…I know that you have that in you now…go yankees ( i am trying not to use capital letters, or I will be called a buffoon… )
“what are you doing allowing fans to be hopeful? I thought your job was to squash positive feelings and spread doom and gloom over Yankeeland?”
nah. but, just like a team doesn’t get a trophy for being 8 up july 31, you sure as hell don’t get anything for being 8 down july 31.
i don’t think they’ll make the playoffs this year. i’ve said that before and i stand by it. i really think counting on hughes and chamberlain to make huge contributions right away is asking way too much of two rookies. i think mussina’s awful and the offense (particularly damon and abreu) is too inconsistent.
all of that said, i think they’ll make it interesting, but probably finish 3-5 games out.
i DO think they’ll win the series within the next 5 years. 2009 is my best guess. i think this team’s future is incredibly bright.
Chuckles said:
“The Yanks aren’t going to “get rid of Moose.â€?”
I have news for you; the yankees don’t want to get rid of him. Aside from 3 or 4 meltdowns, the Moose has been good enough for the yankees to win 75% of their games. He is a terrific number 5 starter.
I think so many are sour on him is because he is no longer the Moose of old. He doesn’t need to be on this staff. Giving up 3 to 4 runs would be more than enough as our number 5 starter. He will pitching for us next year, and I for one am very happy about it.
BJ
“rich if youre such a sox fan why are you on this blog? it doesnt make sense. youre welcome to your opinion but post it somewhere else”
why not be on this blog?.. somebody has to correct the false information/crap posted by some of these soft in the head homers. i once heard that when somebody posts a fallacy, and somebody else agrees, an angel dies.
alexT — fair point…ok then I want him not to give up a 2-run lead in Game 5 of the 05 DS
Amen, Big Johnson. Moose has pitched very well tonight. If not for that ONE swing, he’d be throwing a shutout. He has gotten ahead of hitters and put them away consistently.
rich i think thats 5 in 6 now…
and for what it’s worth, i have nothing against hoping the yankees win the division and the world series this year. HOPING. we all hope that’s the outcome, i’m sure. i don’t think there’s anyone who regularly posts here who wants to see the yankees fail.
i just don’t think they’ve got what it takes this year.
Rich
July 31st, 2007 at 8:54 pm
“Here comes the slump.
Wakefield – ropey, getting worse every month.
Dice K – last start bombed.
Schilling – in AAA, horrible all yr
Lester – only 2 starts back, cant be counted on
Beckett – tonight 4 innings 4 runs
Cover – see Texas
Sometimes bullpens dont matter�
where should i begin?
1.wakefield- won 5/6 starts in july!
2. dice-k- 5 ER and 17 ks in last 3 starts
3. schilling- 6-4 4.2 era MLB
4. lester- only s starts (just like Hughes- who is expected to be counted on)
5.beckett- oh hell- youre right- DFA- he lost 1-0 last start. what a loser!
Rich…it will be fun to know that BoSux fans like you will be so freakin’ mad when your team indeed pulls off another late season choke….enjoy your 8 game lead…( oops I mean 7 after tonight…) It is an air tight lead…keep thinking to yourself…there is no way we can lose this lead….repeat that over and over in your head…it will only add to your misery….ok, doofus ?
Texas leading cleveland 3-1 in top of the 8th
haha rich. i live in boston this is the only place i can avoid the sox fans hastling me. come on. it wont kill an angel.
Keith-
BoSox Owner John Henry and Bud Selig are close. Henry bid less for the team and got it (not unusual – see Mark Cuban) and so the idea that MLB is going to crack down on the BoSox is a low probability play. JMO.
and enter keith with the novel anti-yankee conspiracy theory…. dont burn any brain cells buddy.
Rich: how, praytell, does an angel die?
(ordinarily I don’t encourage trolls, but I have to know…)
There’s no vendetta. He has an 8 run lead now. Geez, if that doesn’t make him throw strikes, what will.
Let me know when he actually pitches, and wins, a low scoring game.
The defense has saved him bigtime tonight. He’s not pitching well at all. Arod and Cano have saved big innings and the team has given him 11 runs.
There are guys in A ball who can get into the 7th inning with this lead. This is not a “clean” outing by any means.
He is what he is at this point in his career. An under .500 pitcher, needing a lot of runs to win games. I’d rather go younger in that slot. More upside.
Rich…you are too funny…so us Yankee fans are killing angels ?,,,that is rich ! LOL ! ( ooops, I ewezed Capitahl lettterring and am stho shtuupid….)
wow sunny… how naive. the yanks would most likely pay all his salary if they got anything for him
“Does anyone here think that the Proctor trade may have been Cashman telling Torre that he has to use other guys out of the pen?”
I do and said as much in another post. The move really didn’t do anything dramatic for us aside from add another so so player to an already clogged line-up. When giambi and minky get back, I suspect duncan will go down. Moving Proctor was more about making room for chamberlain, ramirez, and possibly kennedy than the dramatic benefit we get from his overwhelming offensive prowess. Defensively we certainly didn’t need him.
BJ
fyi….Boston down 5-2…O’s have runners on 2nd and 3rd with only 1 out…Beckett for President ( president redneck jack@$$ that is )
Yeah BABY!!
Boston sure shorten the game with the gagne deal !!
*FEAR THE EMPIRE, BOSTON — FEAR*
Hey Boston, maybe you shoulda trade for Jack Bauer – ahahhahahah!!
tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick
Let’s not anoint Hughes the 4th starter and Moose the 5th just yet. Not that it matters unless we get to October. But Moose is probably one of the best 4th or 5th starters in the league, which is exactly where he should be at this point. I got bad news for the Moose haters, not only will he be in the rotation next year, but I would not be surprised if the Yankees sign him for a one year deal in 2009 also as crazy as that sounds.
keith your conspiracy is interesting but absolutely dumb. im sorry it made me lauh and i dont want to be a dccck but yea… no dice
wait rich, is gangreen warm the sox might need him?
Ben from Boston – with that logic – just DFA him. You’re basically saying eat his entire salary. No team is going to give the Yankees any decent prospect even if we pay out his entire salary. The Yanks have no bargaining position whatsoever with Farns. So you’re basically going to end up paying Farns’ salary to pitch from another team.
Haha, lots of complaining by the soxs. Paul thrown out. LOL
1, 6, 3, 4, 1, 3, 3, 2, 1
ER in Moose’s last 9 starts. Not great, not horrendous. 3W and 4L over that stretch.
I wish he was better too. I wish he wouldn’t complain to umps. But I can live with him as the 4/5 starter.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxsco.....b_nyamlb_1
That’s for you SJ44. Moose has several games with 3 runs or less. Jun 13, 19, 24, 29. Jul 25, 15, 4 in RECENT games.
ejections are so american
“haha rich. i live in boston this is the only place i can avoid the sox fans hastling me. come on. it wont kill an angel.”
glad to see a sense of humor…better a rivalry of words here than drunken fisticuffs in the stands, right? but seriously kaj- i dont think ive been called a doofus since 4th grade. something tells me the tv in your bedroom has a v-chip installed and your favorite band is raffi.
Posada is liking the homeplate ump. LOL
KAJ-
“Beckett for President”
hasn’t the country suffered enough?
mhm. id pay him to go home. youre looking at it from a playing perspective. hes a cancer in the clubhouse. he has to go
4-7 is a “terrific #5 starter”? At 12 million a year. I disagree.
The guy is 4-7 going into this start and has been AWFUL for most of the season.
I mean, come on, how many games do we have to run down this season? His meltdowns against Boston and SF? His constant whining and inability to eat innings.
Sorry but, they aren’t paying 13 million a year for a #5 starter. They expected more out of him than this.
I contend that was the mistake. He is what he is at this stage of his career and he’s not a 13 million a year pitcher.
Its great that he “relaxed” with an 8 run lead. Very happy for him.
Let’s see how he does when he’s not given 11 runs in 4 innings. If this year is any indication, its not been pretty.
I disagree about the DS. Big game pitchers get the ball to Mo with a multi-run lead at home in a post-season game. That game was on him all the way. The post-season is about pitching, not hitting.
When you blow multi-run leads 3 straight post-seasons, which he has done, its on him, not the offense.
You may hate him and I do but, if that’s Schilling on the mound, he gets the ball to Mo and they win that game. It changed the entire series last year.
13 million for a #5 pitcher? Crazy.
Hey, Pete, what are the chances the Yankees promote Ohlendorf?
Ohlendorf supposedly has electric stuff and unflappable composure (in addition to an Ivy League intelligence for whatever that’s worth)?
Even Peter Back-Gammons has touted Ohlendorf’s potential.
I love Texas.
Al Leiter is in rare form in the broadcast booth tonight.
Edwar Ramirez had 1-2-3 7th inning in Scranton. Jabba the Chamberlain hasn’t pitched yet.
TKinDC….yes you’re right…forgot about that with Henry and Selig being “buds”…..
I know the conspiracy thing is crazy but even if it is something not discussed I feel lots of owners do not want the Yankees to win b/c then everyone will start complaining about baseball salaries and the discrepancy between small and large market teams..as long as different teams keep winning the general public doesn’t have as much of a problem with the salary differences and owners are happy with that as attendance is booming in baseball…..and these owners can keep the revenue sharing money without a minimum amount they can spend…
Okay as much as I wanted Krazy Kyle gone, you can’t trade him and pay the ENTIRE salary! Trade him this off season.
Okay one bad inning aside, Mike pitched a good game, and as was pointed out it wasn’t on a horrible pitch.
guys no walks for mussina. at least his control is there
SJ44, you have an outright hate for a guy who has always been a quality starter. I respect most of what you say, but I just feel right now you are off base. We expected Moose to perform just like this. And he has. He has met expectations, and last season, exceeded them. I don’t understand at ALL why you claim he is so horrible. What about Pettitte’s terrible outings lately?
Mussina is a GOOD starter and would be a #3 at LEAST on most teams in the major leagues. He has pitched well and if it wasn’t for the bullpen would have a winning record.
Ben – I’m not disagreeing with you about Farns’ worthlessness (pardon the punning). I wish Cash found a buyer as much as everyone else here on this blog. But eating $7.2 million is not something the Yankees are going to do (as much as we’d want him to). I figure, Cash will find someone eventually to take Farns – but it will be for eating most of the money and getting at least a B prospect or eating no salary and just trade him away.
I would love for Moose to show me to be wrong about him and start pitching up to his ability….since the 2nd inning, he has not done so badly…
Jeff NJ
– a 5th starter getting paid $11M a year? He wasn’t signed to be a 5th starter but that’s what he is and that’s OK? Talk about lowered expectations.
Can someone explain to me how A. Rod, Giambi, Sheffield, Pavano, etc. have gotten railed by Yankee fans throughout the years but Mussina escapes all criticism. It is AMAZING to me the blinders that are put on for Mussina.
Can anybody come up with 5 memorable things Mussina has done as a Yankee?
Kill Schill,
Chamberlain isn’t supposed to pitch tonight. It’s tomorrow night.
Can’t wait to see Krazy Kyle tonight!
Jim Johnson-
what did Leiter say ??
The hope is that your # 5 starter can be a .500 or so pitcher…..Mussina will be the # 5 guy next season….However when the playoffs start ( 1st round especially ) does he get a starting assignment…..Or do you go Wang, Clemens, Pettite then maybe Hughes….No way he takes the hill…..I’m certain that I’m the minority on this…..
Kill Schill,
Joba is pitching one inning tommorow.
am i the only one hoping a rod doesnt hit 500 this yeas so i can hear about the 500 homeruns EVERY DAY!!! boy thats be swell : ). come on a rod pop out. i wanna hear about mick one more time!
Rattachewy
July 31st, 2007 at 9:15 pm
I love Texas.
and the Troll climbs out from the slime of the earth ! He dude,,how do you like Baltimore tonight >>>>???? hahahahahahahahahaha ! ( I am trying to get down to your level ) Tell me how much you like Texas when Gagne turns out to be a bust and/or gets injured again…..I love trolls…they are so funny !!! LOL !!!
“We” didn’t expect him to be 4-7 this year. If you did, that’s fine but, I sure as heck didn’t.
If this is what he is, then he is a waste of 26 million dollars.
You can find 4-7 guys with a near 5 ERA all over baseball for much cheaper.
What he “was” is irrelevent. Its what he is now and I don’t think its anything to write home about.
Its great he has pitched well tonight staked to an 8 run lead. Let’s see what happens when the offense isn’t so generous.
okay John i’ll bite
One strike away perfect game against the soxs
game against oakland (jeter flip)
relief appearance
off the top of my head.
Where’s Jabba? It’s the 8th inning in Scranton and Edwar is still pitching.
Let’s face it: Cashman sucks. He’s not worse than the Steinbrenner’s kitchen cabinet down in Tampa but as a GM, he’s slightly above average. Better than the incompetent fools but no Scheurholz or Dombrowski. I’d take Minaya to him any day.
I bet Cashman is going to infantilize Chamberlain and we’re not going to see him in NY until September and it’s too late.
okay sunny, point taken. but he cant stay in this clubhouse. SOMEBODY PLEASE TAKE HIIIM!!
keith –
If you are saying other teams try to milk the yanks for extra because they are the yankees, I AGREE. We are the Donald Trump of the MLB.
Oh, and Moose is $11M according to:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....60040.html
ben…you s*ck ! (joke, of course ! ) I love you, ben !
I have to side with SJ44 on the Moose issue. He’s been a shadow of his former self this year. When we got him 9 years ago, he was a solid #2 guy. But this year, he’s either been great, or gotten shellacked. But throughout his time here, he’s made excuse after excuse on why he didn’t pull through in big games. This year he’s been 50% of what he used to be.
poor Alex, he must be thinking this is nuts!!
Jeezus – Arod needs to rub Godzilla’s head or something. Get some of his mojo.
Mussina isn’t a memorable pitcher. He’s always been a 15-17 game winner consistantly.
I mean, him being 1 strike away from a perfect game is memorable, but that kind of thing sums up his career. A couple 1-hitters, a bunch of 2 and 3 hitters. A bunch of 18 and 19 win seasons. Being close to a Cy Young a couple times.
He’s always been a solid pitcher. He’s probably an 11-14 game winner now. Not bad for a 4th, soon to be 5th starter.
MATSUI!!! GET OUT OF HERE. YOU ARE MAKING MY FANTASY TEAM UNSTOPPABLE!!!
Horne so far 5.0 7 1 1 2 6 0 2.34
Too many hits allowed, but I thank god we didn’t trade him.
haha kaj just ignore the jerks theyll go away. we have to be positive about our team but not negative about boston. one of the best guys i know… happens… to be… a.. SOX FAN!!! :…(
Kill Schill-(ing) Joba was just moved to the pen. He pitched last night, they want him off tonight and pitch tomorrow to see how he will react. You don’t throw him into the fired after he’s only been a starter! You will probably see him up here this weekend. Why must you automatically critize without knowing the facts?
Chamberlain is not pitching today but is Weds….
Moose is not very good we get it, he is over paid also.. join the overpaid club with giambi, Kyl, and about 10 other guys..
seriously kaj- i didnt know you guys HAD internet access in the group HOME.
jenn –
I’ll give you the perfect game and the relief appearance…
The game against Oakland goes to Jeter…without that play Mussina gives up the lead, as usual, and who know what happens.
That’s 2. C’mon people, when the Mike Mussina Yankeeography gets done…how will they fill up the hour?
did you see them making fun of matsui! hahah thats great
Can anybody come up with 5 memorable things Mussina has done as a Yankee?
1) 1-0 game against oakland.. the famous back flip..
2) Game 1 of 2004 ALCS vs boston
3) Near perfect game vs boston which was broken up by carl everett.
4) Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS in relief coming in with bases loaded.
5) A stellar 2001 season
Jim J.-
Can you remember who has the 3rd most wins by an active pitcher?
I can.
Rich, if you got your Johnson out of your mouth, we all could hear you better…
Jonathan,
I’ll go one better. Since the first inning in Game 5 of the ALCS, when he needed 44 pitches to get out of the inning, and whined his brains out to Jeff Kellogg (the HP umpire) the entire game, tell me what Mussina has done that has been so great for this franchise?
He has been an average pitcher at best. The beneficiary of great run support and good outings against bad teams.
His post-season work? Not good at all.
Its amazing to me that Arod has caught so much crap from Yankee fans and Moose gets none. Arod’s “bad” year, exceeds Moose’s best years as a Yankee.
Its amazing how nothing is Moose’s fault. The sooner Ian Kennedy can get here the better. Hopefully, this year at some point.
KAJ.
3-1.
Texas over Cleveland.
Moron.
“That’s 2. C’mon people, when the Mike Mussina Yankeeography gets done…how will they fill up the hour?”
Tapings of his excuses. They’d probably have to blow it up to a 3 hour special.
give jorge the rest of the night off.
Kaj: I think he was saying he loves Texas because they’re beating Cleveland. Which is good.
SJ44 —
“Its amazing to me that Arod has caught so much crap from Yankee fans and Moose gets none. Arod’s “badâ€? year, exceeds Moose’s best years as a Yankee.”
I don’t think truer words have ever been written in the blogosphere.
is it just me or does it seem like the yanks are trying to prove to everyone they didnt need gagne or the others?
So, Moose was very good from 2001-2004. Unfortunately, we are its 2007 and he needs a ton of runs to get anything out of him in his starts.
Nice but, not worth the money. Certainly not worth a 2 year contract extension. Hopefully, they can score runs like this in all of his starts. It will keep him from whining.
Also Moose throws teammates under the bus in no time..
he is a quirky dude, who use to be a very good pitcher but now has a boat anchor contract..
Hey Steve Phillips, come out, come out, where ever you are
sunny just when i thought we were being positive!
oh shnikes kyle is in
Just pointing it out, but…
That was Matsui’s 99th homer as a Yankee.
Jen, I criticize because I’m extremely disappointed that Cashman didn’t improve their bullpen today. The bullpen has been the Achilles Heel of this team since last year. Cashman knew this and didn’t nothing to remedy it in the off-season nor at the deadline.
I applaud him for not surrendering Kennedy for Gagne. What is indefensible is that he didn’t have a back-up plan.
He couldn’t have done better than Kyle Loshe for Dotel? He couldn’t have acquired Qualls or Wheeler?
It took him this long to realize he could move Chamberlain to the bullpen. WHat in god’s name was he waiting for. Gene Michaels recommended that Cashman promote him for the 8th inning role two months ago.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FARNSWORTH
blackaccord
2) Game 1 of 2004 ALCS vs boston
won’t give you that…after he lost ‘his’ perfect game he went on to give up 3 runs and the Yankees nearly lost that game because of it.
See my previous post regarding your other choices
Looks like Farnsworthless is coming out.
At least he can’t blow a 11-run lead….right?
ill join. i normally dont boo my own team but BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don’t screw with Jorge, you’ll tick off Yankee fans.
For me, the only redeeming quality for Moose is his ability to teach to young kids. He’s a great teacher apparently.
Farns – who here thinks Farns can blow this lead?
Will he have a 1-2-3 inning at last?
I meant coming in
if he crosses him up do you think jorge will be the first cATCHER to charge the mound?
I give up with you two. Moose has been as good as we could expect. Roger’s been pitching well and losing games, going roughly how long Moose goes, and he’s gotten no criticism. Have some consistency. Their records are both terrible.
The only problem is, they are both pitching well enough to win games and well enough to have pitched what they call a “quality start.” If you wanted Mussina to be an ACE, then you had too big of expectations. He has done well for this team, regardless of what the Mussina haters say.
“hello?offense?…where is this icehole when we are scoring 11 runs ???…oh, I forot, he is crying to his mommy that his loser team is getting smoked by Baltimore….. LOL !!!”
KAJ,
You are the dumbest person alive. The Yanks can pile on runs with the best of ‘em. SO WHAT? When they need to manufacture a few runs to win a close game, they’ll be flailing away as usual…just like they did in Baltimore.
And Boston is only worried about improving themselves for the postseason. NY is just a distant sight in their rear-view mirror.
“4-7 is a “terrific #5 starterâ€?? At 12 million a year. I disagree.”
Thats not what I said. I left his salary out of the equation. I personally don’t care what he makes, I’m not paying for it. I get my Yankee tickets pro bono right behind the dugout from a very good connection to the team. Call me selfish but thats why I don’t care particularly about his salary. Further, I would pay more to see moose.
Using his record as a meter of failure is a terrible way to analyze a pitcher in and of itself. By your reasoning Pettite is also having a dreadful year.
“I mean, come on, how many games do we have to run down this season? His meltdowns against Boston and SF? His constant whining and inability to eat innings.”
I am aware of and have admitted he has had meltdowns. You haven’t recognized the other 13 games that he has given up 3 runs or less. In my book that makes him a terrific number 5 pitcher. In those games he has 3 losses and 4 no decisions in that span. Add those 7 games as wins with decent run support and you have a very different record of 11-7 (12-7 after tonight)
“I contend that was the mistake. He is what he is at this stage of his career and he’s not a 13 million a year pitcher.”
As long as george signs the check, he is. He is certainly a very effective number 5 man. Heck he is better than many 3 and 4 pitchers in this league.
“13 million for a #5 pitcher? Crazy.”
Ok, this is really what it boils down to for you. I personally will go to games specifically to see this icon and near hall of fame pitcher play. I’m certain George is making money on him too. Attendance during Moose games have been solid. (I have seen him at home and on the road many times this season, including some of the meltdowns.)
As long as he is effective 75% of the time, and fans still love and want to see him, expect him to continue to pitch.
As I write this, the yankees are booing farnsworth, and I am physically ill at seeing this pile of c…p on our mound.
BJ
Moose = 92 wins as a Yankee, not including tonight.
They were all blowout wins which just coasted on superior offense. His .367 career ERA is just because he was always pitching ahead with a big lead.
Ha Ben! – I know – but Moose is pretty good that throwing teammates under the bus. Some things about Moose irk me. That’s all.
SJ44,
“Nice but, not worth the money. Certainly not worth a 2 year contract extension”
It was not a 2 yr extension. It was 2 @ 22 instead of 1 @ 17. After the kind of first half Moose had last year, how could you not do that. And it wasn’t like there were a lot better options on the market.
guys bear with me. but what if farnsworth does well the rest of his career with the yanks and becomes the FACE of the yanks
Joe can give Kyle lots of work, he can come in, in blow outs
funny how his first 1-2-3 innning in years is in a blow out.
A perfect inning for Kyle, where’s the ticker-tape?
*A 1-2-3 inning by Farns – Trade him now!*
Holy crap.
Farnsworthless has a 1-2-3 inning.
Am I watching the right game?
Even Kyle Farnsworth can have a 1-2-3 inning in a 14-3 game!
The pitching is back! lol
sunny cant you see it? jorge pretends to walk to first then pulls an izzy alcantra and drop kicks the BATTER then charges. wouldnt that be refreshing?
Can Farnsy clear waivers now? !
And now Kyle has a 1-2-3 when it is too late to trade him. Can we put him on waviers? lol
“I have to side with SJ44 on the Moose issue. He’s been a shadow of his former self this year. When we got him 9 years ago, he was a solid #2 guy. But this year, he’s either been great, or gotten shellacked. But throughout his time here, he’s made excuse after excuse on why he didn’t pull through in big games. This year he’s been 50% of what he used to be.”
Nobody is disputing that the Moose has declined. SJ is not wrong about this, or that perhaps he is an expensive number 5.
SJ44 is dead wrong that Moose isn’t a solid number 5 pitcher independant of his salary. You need to look around the league and compare him to other number fives to get a clue, a project I’m not about to chronicle here as it is self evident.
BJ
Farnsworth runs his mouth and says he wants to be used more? Fine, it’s 14-3 let him pitch another inning. Let’s see if this guy is even capable of going 1+ IP.
i never realized but kate smith sounds pretty butch
Ok I’m going to go out on a limb and say the non trading of Kyle will be a good thing for the team. Someone has to say it.
omg. 3 up, 3 down for krazy kyle. I guess he can relax now that the deadline has passed.
That would be worth the price of admission.
Miracle.. a clean inning from the Krazy one.
question why are they playing the game tonight, didn’t the experts say Boston with Gagne are unbeatable, didn’t they just give them the pennant today???
I am sorry I forgot they have to play the games… Baltimore looks to also have forgotten that Boston is unbeatable…
Papi got a HR againstt a lefty today his 1st of the yr.
Pedroia vs Cano. even though Cano is a knucklehead and appears to loaf on occasion no friggin contest… Cano has huge range and he can flat out hit. I know he swongs at anything(I hate that also) but this guy can play.
I forgot the experts and the diamondback braintrust said he would be too big and slow for 2B and had a bad work ethic, that is right the experts are always right………
sunny did you see petes post at 903? oh jeeze come on thats a good trade!!!
TAFKABFB=
You said:
“what if farnsworth does well the rest of his career with the yanks and becomes the FACE of the yanks”
Man, I don’t know what chemicals you are pushing, but you need an intervention!
God Bless!
This is getting insane. 7 homeruns, 7 different yankees. no alex
JOHNNY!!!!
Jeter and A-rod left.
This game is typical of the Yanks. Pour it on when the lead is huge and pressure is off. Come tomorrow, runs will be hard to come by. And if the game is close, the Yanks will lose.
Wins is not a true indicator of a pitcher’s success…in fact it’s the worst way to judge a pitcher. Randy Johnson spent 2 seasons with the Yanks and won 17 each year. Nobody was falling over themselves to defend him and nobody complained when he was sent back to AZ.
Mussina can’t ride on the coat tails of the relief appearance and the flip play for ever. it’s been 4 yrs since the CS relief appearance and 6 since the flip. what have you done for me lately?
Cluster Bombers
BJ, you are hard to agree with, but I’m on your side on this one. Moose has declined, he is not reliable and he is expensive, however for a number 5 starter he is one of the best in the league.
A-Rod just spit on himself. That’s funny.
haha tkin im trying to be positive. i know its impossible but theres always an if!
get out of here troll, go watch Gagne pitch for your beloved sox.
i do believe he compared arod to farnsworth
well… Yankees who’ve homered tonight
-Damon-
Jeter
-Abreu-
Duncan
Arod
-Matsui-
-Posada-
-Cano-
Phillips
-Cabrera-
6 down, 4 to go.
sick.
Horne update
6.0 7 1 1 2 6 0
Still want to trade him Kasey? The guy is class of the Eastern league right now.
Erik:
I trust you can read numbers:
1, 6, 3, 4, 1, 3, 3, 2, 1
ER in Moose’s last 9 starts. Not great, not horrendous. 3W and 4L over that stretch.
Not including tonight
once again, i gotta agree with everything SJ44 said about mussina. his offense gives him 11 runs to work with and he goes out there and keeps nibbling, runs up his pitch count, and gives them 6 mediocre innings on a day when he should have gone out, thrown strikes, let the other team put the ball in play, and given them AT LEAST 7. it’s just pathetic. yes, he only allowed 3 runs and went 6. but if you watched the game and actually think he pitched a good game, i’ve got to disagree.
god, everyone’s going to hit a HR today but a-rod. that poor dude.
What the Hell. They are all laughing at this. This is crazy!!
Gotta update your list, sunny. LOL.
sweet moses… we saw a diff hr history than we thought
Forget Abreu, let’s get Duncan some bats!
“The guy is class of the Eastern league right now.”
well, everyone who’s ever excelled in the eastern league has gone on to win a cy young, so i guess he must be the second coming.
well holy mother.
update:
well… Yankees who’ve homered tonight:
-Damon-
Jeter
-Abreu-
-Duncan-
Arod
-Matsui-
-Posada-
-Cano-
Phillips
-Cabrera-
7 down, 3 to go.
sick. sick!
come on come on come on
Bombers _SHELL_ Sox
DUNCAN! DUNCAN! DUNCAN!
devastating
Mussina threw one bad pitch this game.
Alex gave the bat to a kid.
wow great yanks fans
so- yanks using aluminum bats?! or does Chitown suck THAT bad?
Kasey,
You got it, Horne=2nd coming
lol what if that kid is cursed until he burns the bat. CALL ESPN I HAVE THEIR NEXT SERIES!
Its a 14-3 game Jeff. If Farnsworth can’t pitch in this game, then he really is worthless.
Mussina doesn’t drive ANY attendance figures. The Yankees are sold out for the season. Who is starting is independent of that.
When Moose was signed this off-season, he was NOT signed to be the #5 pitcher. He is now the #5 pitcher because of the way he has pitched this year.
I doubt very seriously, the Yankees “plan” was for him to now be a #5 this year. If it was, there is no way they would have signed him for that kind of money in the off-season.
On tonight’s game, its great to see this explosion. However, getting to the playoffs is going to be determined by winning the close, low scoring games. That’s something the Yankees haven’t done well this year.
Hopefully, the additions of Hughes, Chamberlain, etc, will help that cause.
maybe it’s time for a new bat??
clevend lost. go birds
“get out of here troll, go watch Gagne pitch for your beloved sox.”
No, sir. I’m loving watching nearly every Yankee hitting HR’s because tomorrow, when they really need them, and the pressure is on, the runs will be few and far between.
This is a very predictable, and humorous team.
Actually, Rich, the Yankees are THAT good.
You got to give it up for Joe Torre. To use Farnsworth after all the crap he’s brought to the table. Torre is extremely patient and Farnsworth should count his blessings to be part of the Yankee organization despite himself.
I wish a-rod would have gotten it over with. Seems like it would have been the perfect game for it… then he could have gone back to hitting normally. Now he’ll have to do it in a real game which, potentially, we might not be winning by ~20 runs. If there’s ever a time to just swing for a home run and not worry about it, it had to be now
Where’s everybody going? it’s not a school nite!
Check out Shelley rubbing Roger for mojo, love it!
TKinDC
I was talking about the postseason. anyone can win games in the regular season (ask Randy Johnson). but when you come to the yankees you need to win in the postseason.
Pete,
I absolutely love how you keep track of Farnsworth’s 1-2-3 innings. It’s so hilarious.
Shelley Duncan = BEAST
That’s 7 of 10 in the Yankee line up to hit a HR.
even david ortiz hit it out!!!
Arod – if things go ok, will get one last at-bat in the ninth. I hope he makes it happen even if we’re up 32-3.
“However, getting to the playoffs is going to be determined by winning the close, low scoring games. That’s something the Yankees haven’t done well this year.”
Wow, an intelligent post here. I’m impressed.
“No, sir. I’m loving watching nearly every Yankee hitting HR’s because tomorrow, when they really need them, and the pressure is on, the runs will be few and far between.
This is a very predictable, and humorous team”
Get your jollies trolling Yankee blogs?
Are you kidding Kasey???
Mussina threw 5 very good innings. A few of them excellent. And he threw one bad one.
“No, sir. I’m loving watching nearly every Yankee hitting HR’s because tomorrow, when they really need them, and the pressure is on, the runs will be few and far between.
This is a very predictable, and humorous team”
Get off trolling Yankee blogs?
“I doubt very seriously, the Yankees “planâ€? was for him to now be a #5 this year. If it was, there is no way they would have signed him for that kind of money in the off-season.”
It wasn’t, agreed. But that doesn’t change the fact that he IS a very effective number 5 pitcher on a soon to be loaded starting pitching staff.
At least admit he was effective tonight.
BJ
why did they leave? that is dispicable
3 games behind Cleveland after tonight. Steve Phillips must be thoring fruit baskets around his penthouse.
*BREAKING*
Cleveland goes down. put it in the books.
only 3 games behind.
tick..tick..tick..tick..tick..
Ortiz with his second HR of the game.
O’s lead 5-3 bottom of the 8th.
Bradford in for Baltimore.
sorry sunny. not anymore
why steve phillips? will someone explain why are we hatting on bugs bunny?
Well, arod’s out as is the rest of the team. It’s now Scranton vs the White Sox. So I’m off the bed.
sunny615, don’t go to bed, “The Bronx is Burning” is about to come on.
wwhat a web gem by the orioles Rf he leaped into a hostile crowd and grabbed it out of 10 reaching hands. WOW what a catch
I’m not here to bag Mussina, as he did perform well, recieved Ace / Cy Young money when he signed, and he was joining a fucking awesome rotation….I’ll always be grateful for his heroic bullpen performance in game 7 in 2003, known as the Aaron Boone game….However the first things that come to mind was him getting rocked in Game 1 2001 W.S…Then of course was last years’ game 2 in the ALDS, when he failed to hold the lead at home, which I beleive was the swing in the outcome of that series….As for his reupping, I thought he’d put up better numbers, he & Pettite were stop gaps until the new wave arrived….Shame is next year is not an option year, he’s under contract…So Cashman may approach him and ask if he’s perfer to pitch closer to home in 08…..Like Scranton or Allentown….
markakis thats his name sry i had a brain fart
From Erik
“I was talking about the postseason. anyone can win games in the regular season (ask Randy Johnson). but when you come to the yankees you need to win in the postseason.”
Wow – not only do you know nothing about the Yankees, you know nothing about Randy Johnson. Care to make yourself look more idiotic? Don’t let me get in the way.
Get some rudimentary knowledge of the game, take a year, then come back.
I can’t wait until Baseball Tonight…
I wonder who’s fatter, gagne or papi??
I just love boston added another target for our slings
“wwhat a web gem by the orioles Rf he leaped into a hostile crowd and grabbed it out of 10 reaching hands. WOW what a catch”
Yes, it was. And watching that play makes you realize just how pathetic Abreu is. He NEVER would go into the stands like that…NEVER put forth that kind of effort.
can someone tell Chris russo that the indians have gone 26-26 in their last 52 games and outside of carmona and sabathia their team has no pitching…
MIKE WHY?!>! what is this whole steve phillips thing
See, I don’t get this, why is Jorge still in the game??
BJ,
He was effective after the Yankees put the game away in the third. I don’t really think tonight is the night to gauge he or Farnsworth, do you?
It would have been interesting if the Yankees stopped scoring after the first and he would have had to go into the 7th holding a 1 run lead. That would be a better indicator of where he is at (pitching-wise) right now.
Let’s see what happens when he doesn’t have this kind of run support, the bullpen is on fumes, and they need him to step up. That’s when he disappoints. That’s why I am so down on him.
When you need him, he fails. Now, he has the “excuse” of “only” being the #5 starter. I am not buying it.
He has to step up and start winning games. If not, then he has no value to this team as they are beginning to integrate younger pitchers into the mix.
I never said that RJ won in the postseason. he won in the regular season. he sucked in the postseason and that’s why he’s gone. I said that what has Moose done lately, regarding the postseason. and recently he’s done nothing.
“Mussina doesn’t drive ANY attendance figures. The Yankees are sold out for the season. Who is starting is independent of that.”
I’m sure we would disagree on the color of grass if we ever met. This statement is simply false. The Yankees have record attendance no doubt Marquis names like the Moose, Arod, Jeter and others are a big part of the reason. They are NOT sold out for the season however by any stretch of the imagination.
Further, of their sellouts, not everyone shows up. You need to look at attendance figures to quantify that. Their road games fare worse than home. I have been to many of both and can attest to this first hand.
Believe it or not, most fans don’t live on these boards and bicker about yankee minutia. They see Mussina’s name in lights and simply go to the game as he is one of a handful of players they actually recognize. George is well aware of this. Thats why he pays him those well earned big bucks. A career near hall of famer gets you to that point happily for Moose.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
BJ
Good call Top Cat – almost missed that – Thanks!
why arent the yankees shopping igawa it doesnt make sense.
Amazing that fans of other teams have enough time to post comments on their rival team’s blogs. I wish I had the time for that, but if I did have the time I’d spend it on something else.
Terrific game tonight.
On mussina -
I hope I’m wrong on him and happy he pitched well tonight.
That said, right now the question with him isn’t whether he is a serviceable #5 slot pitcher.
The question is whether he will be an adequate #5 slot pitcher for a team that likely has to win at least 36-39 of its remaining 56 games to make the playoffs.
I hope he does, but I think he’s lost a lot and is too inconsistent – to play .650 ball over 56 games they’ll need a strong start nearly every game out or they will need to simply maul the other team with their offense clicking.
If they do make the playoffs he shouldn’t be in the rotation. It should be wang, pettite, clemens and hughes.
Here’s a question –
Do opposing teams get pissed when the winning team substitues every starter for their backups in high scoring game?
Erik -
Did you see the D’backs-Yanks WS or the Mariners Yanks series?
I guess not. RJ pitcher a 1.04 ERA in the 2001 WS.
Dolt.
Arod drives attendance. In fact, the Yankees never drew 4 million fans until he arrived. Jeter drives attendance.
As far as starters go, nobody drives attendance like the Rocket. The Yankees have sold over 4.2 million tickets for this season. That’s approx 52,000 seats per game.
I don’t know of any Yankee fans who say, “Mike Mussina is pitching, I am going to the game”.
Mike Mussina has NEVER moved the attendance meter (except for members of his family) as a Yankee. Not at home, not on the road.
I have seen seen any figures ever produced that showed Mussina drives attendance upward when he pitches. He’s not an attraction by any means.
H?O? go away. seriously. theres a reason that they are called web gems only a few can make them. can jd do that? ahahaha. i watch the dodgers when the yankees are over i watched him all 162 games last year. hahaha im just kidding didnt he have some type of injury? oh yea i heard gagne is naked on lansdowne wanna go suck him?
You know one thing that bugs me about guys like Chris Russo is that he says the Yankees won’t be able to make it (or it will be really tough) because they have to go 39-18 to get to 95 wins while the Indians would have to go 34-23. What he fails to realize is that if we catch them quickly, say within a week, then we just have to outplay them the rest of the way, up until now wouldn’t matter. Ok glad I got that off my chest.
Why IS Jorge still in the game? isn’t this what a b-u catcher is for?
I’m not going to bag Mussina, as he did good things here even though he was paid # 1 ace / Cy Young dough when he signed…He joined one great rotation,and he was really a 3 at best….I’ll always thank him for the 2003 Game 7 Aaron Boone game…..But I’ll always remember game 1 2001 World Series as he was hammered, then there’s last years Game 2 at home in the ALDS when he couldn’t hold a lead…I view that as the swing and the end of the season….He and Pettite were stopgaps until the new wave arrived…Well there here and mores on the way…..Maybe Cashman can see if he wants to pitch closer to home in 2008….Like Allentown or Scranton….
Big Johnson–(you can’t be serious with that name)
You are right…Mussina is the biggest draw on the Yankees. That is why people go to the games…to see him pitch. I heard in honor of him, the new Yankee Stadium will be called ‘The House that Moose Built’.
That’s a good question ben – Igawa is obviously a bust and the Padres were asking about him. But talk about selling low. I don’t think we’d have gotten diddly for Igawa (if he’s actually worth a diddle.) He’s an odd commodity. He’s a high fastball pitcher and has lousy mechanics, but he can also have spurts of brilliance (7 k’s in a game) – so he’s a bit of an enigma – how can a starter throw crap and still whiff 6+ batters a game? Honestly, if it were me, I’d have dumped him on the first team who asked.
andrea hes on my fantasy team. KEEP HIM IN! unless he gets an out. take him out!
TKinDC
my mistake, I meant as a yankee. and what did RJ do as a yankee? 10 ER in 13 innings.
whenever i think i know the intricacies of a Gm it alludes me again
“He was effective after the Yankees put the game away in the third. I don’t really think tonight is the night to gauge he or Farnsworth, do you?”
Agreed. I also agree with the your sentiment that the Yankees must learn how to win close and low scoring games, something we have seen very very little of this season. Tonight is a poor predictor of how we might fare against playoff caliber teams in October. I have said as much many times on this forum.
What I have said is that Moose has given the yanks a good chance to win greater than 75% of the time. That is way more than what most number 5 guys offer. I agree he isn’t what he used to be, his velocity is down, he has too many meltdowns, and makes a lot of money etc… But as a five guy, he is more than solid.
How he would be used in October is another discussion. He wouldn’t necessarily need to be used as a starter, and certainly not in a best of five. We can save that debate once we take the division however. I’m still standing by that daring prediction btw, gagne notwithstanding.
BJ
CB – The choice for #5 or #4 is between Moose and Clippard and Wright.
That clarifies things, doesn’t it? Pettitte isn’t going deep into games, we have been fortunate (i think) that Rocket has gone as deep as he has.
We can’t expect Hughes to be what we all hope he will be in 2 years at the outset. JMHO. Let’s just hope they all continue to scrape out wins!!!
“theres a reason that they are called web gems only a few can make them.”
True, but Abreu wouldn’t have even tried. He would have pulled up before getting to the stands.
Ben: even in the 9th inning…he’s not gonna bat again!
Can any1 give me a good site to help me follow the yankees prospects?
did they play the theme from the natural for Duncan?
Nancy Drew/DL Drew is doing so poorly, the Sox tried to trade for Dye to platoon him. Plus, their $15 MM man was benched tonite cuz he can’t hit lefties.
Sox definitely screwed that one up. Oh yeah, Lugo too.
Right for Jorge’s mouth, Alex will probably hit 2 tomorrow.
andrea. with this bullpen. do you know that? do you?
I HOPE he hits 2 tomorrow, jennifer! I’m going to be there, and it’s my friend’s birthday. What a good present that would be!
Mike.J July 31st, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Can any1 give me a good site to help me follow the yankees prospects?
Sure – Lohud Yankees blog – just ask for SJ44.
Munson is killin’ on “Bronx is Burning”
Rich –
take your racist/nativist junk elsewhere
Good win tonight….this is exactly what the Yankees need to do the rest of the way. Win convincingly against teams that are out of it, take 2 out of 3 from the contenders. Don’t worry about what other teams do and hopefully find themselves in the postseason.
Rich – that was seriously harsh dude and uncalled for.
Mike J.
MILB.com. You can see the results from all the games played in the minor leagues and bookmark specific players to see how they are doing.
look at the league stats. the yanks and tigers offenses are scoring alot more runs then anyone else…
crappy teams really help you improve your stats..
BTW Nancy Drew has 4 more yrs on his contract, I forgot Theo is a genius.. also wily mo for the singer another good trade….
that is right theo is a genius sorry about the blapshemy on my part.. the josh bard trade is another one of the theo magic moves…
Rich don’t bag on Immigrants. They have been a huge part of this country getting to where it is now. Don’t bring your Lou Dobbs nonsense into here.
TKinDC,
Your points as usual are well made. I do think the other choice instead of Mussina may be Kennedy (or even Karstens).
Kennedy may be more big league ready in many ways than Joba. If he’s as dominant his next few starts in Scranton I think he’s an option.
We’ll see. Again, I hope I’m wrong. It’s just very difficult to play .700 ball over 60 games and to do so I think you almost need a strong start more often then 4/5 games because of those 4 strong starts you may lose one.
This may prove academic because Cleveland may go into their annual second half collapse.
Their wild card lead is down to 3 and they’ve taken a step back from earlier in the season.
Bobby’s (murcer) looking good. Nice to see him doing well.
Pete, 7 players hit one =)
Matsui, the MONSTER, hit 2.
The O’s steller pen in the process of blowing the game.
Boston with 2 on and 1 out in the 9th
uh-oh – Baltimore chokin
Lugo hits into a force. 2 on and 2 out for Boston.
Just saw that Alex made sure that the kid got the bat, and not an adult. Good job on Alex’s part.
trolls from Boston UNITE !…we are only 7 games behind you with 2 months to go….we stink and your team rules ! LOL !!!
and game over.
game over,
7 games back in the divsion, 3 in the wild card.
whoa, Mehdi. Lou Dobbs is great.
But this Rich immigrant talk is really pissing me off.
Woah, Rich, easy, boy. Let’s cool the engines, son. What’s your story, morning glory?
I don’t understand the bad vibes.
I have no idea how you painted that picture or why you defend trolls, but you are dead wrong on who I am.
(I am seriously laughing out loud at this Rich dude’s comments)
Mike J,
A few good sites for Yankees minors/ prospects coverage are:
River Avenue Blues:
http://www.riveraveblues.com/
Pending Pinstripes
http://mvn.com/milb-yankees/
Yankee Prospects
http://yankeesprospects.com/
The greatest bullpened team ever, the Boston Red Sox, have lost the first game of the Eric Gagne era. 7 games out.
Boston loses…sweet !
Pete, can you ban this idiot’s IP?
trolls your dynasty lost tonight.. hall of famer beckett lsot.. delcarmen the 2nd coming of craig hanson saw 2 batters they both wound up on base.. gamoons, phillips, and the other experets said delcarmen is untouchable they forgot to tell the orioles…
pedroia ended the game..
too bad , yanks have about 70 more runs scored then your phenomenal offense.. I know the yanks are just lucky…
Alex, Dobbs is alright? I agree with him about going after companies who are shipping jobs out by the hundreds, but he’s carrying this whole secure borders bit too far. It’s getting a lil bit too 1984 for me.
I agree with you on the border thing. I was just kidding around on my Dobbs comment. He’s alright on some things, but the secure borders issue is way overblown. But before we start talking politics, lets stop, haha. Who knows how it could turn out
ben from boston: if they got within 3, Mo would come in and it would be a done deal.
I agree with you. By the way is Batting practice over yet? I was wondering when the game was going to start
CB – thanks –
I hope that you are right about the “Young’uns”! I am really glad that Cashman didn’t give up the store for 10 or 15 appearances in the 8th inning from Gagne.
I hope all the Jobas, Ians and Hornes and Betances come through in time.
My bottom line is that Moose is an experienced hand on a short 2 year contract vs. a Meche, Lilly, or (gulp) Kei Igawa. When he is here next year with the little ones I think they expect him to be a mentor to the rookies like they wanted to get Rocket near Hughes this year.
I get fed up when he glares at umps or when he complains about his schedule, but he is here, he has done ok, and he can pitch well on occasion.
I hope you are right about the Indians and BoSox – hope they both SWOON!
Just saw Beckett’s tantrum on ESPN. Youk couldn’t get out of his way fast enough. Good stuff.
man shelly duncan does not get cheated on his swings. he has 4 HR’s in like 5 games.. A lefty tommorrow any chance abreu sits they play melky in right, damon in CF, and DH Duncan???
Abreu stinks against lefties!!!!!!!!!
TKinDC,
It would be a relief for the Indians to start regressing. It’ll take the pressure off to continue playing at this high level.
This upcoming run against detroit, the angels, etc will be very tough and its not reasonable to expect that they’ll win 6 of 8 from detroit and every series.
Also, I don’t think it was a mistake to sign Moose in the off season – a 2 year bridge to the younger guys was needed.
Its just that he’s regressed faster than expected and Chamberlain/ Kennedy have com on much, much faster than was resonable to expect.
Kennedy is very polished and at this point I wonder what he has to “learn” in the minors. He’s so advanced in his pitching skills, poise, and the mental part of the game.
I don’t think we’ll fully know what he is until he gets to the majors – by that I mean how good he’ll be. He’s definitely at least a #4 but could be much better also. I think for him that will only become apparent at the major league level – I think he’ll prove to be too good for Scranton but we’ll see.
sunny: what kind of tantrum? why?
“yanks have about 70 more runs scored then your phenomenal offense.. ”
how many less allowed though?
I love that Bobby Murcer calls him “the moose”
“too bad , yanks have about 70 more runs scored then your phenomenal offense.. I know the yanks are just lucky…”
The Yanks can score them in bunches, which makes total runs scored very deceiving. But celebrate the blowout. It will just be a memory when the Yanks lose a low scoring game tomorrow night (maybe 3-2).
On Bob Wickman when he was a Yankee in 1996 from Joel Sherman’s ‘Birth of a Dynasty:’ (p.72)”The churlish Wickman sensed his job slipping away, and in the bullpen during games, complained about how his new manager (Torre) was using him. HE ALSO RAILED AGAINST THE EXPANDING ROLE OF (MARIANO) RIVERA slamming the notion that any hurler with just 1 pitch could thrive for an extended period of time.” Wickman continued that Rivera’s pitch would be figured out in no time, aside from which Wickman thought Rivera was too skinny. !
CB –
I agree – I expected more this year from Moose too. I always get worried when people project AAA guys to the big league because I heard that T Clipp, DeSalvo and Wright were going to be good (admittedly from home team officials or Joe T.)
That said it seems like outside guys, hell even Peter Gammons was acknowledging the Yankees have a plan, have talent and are protecting both from trade deadline impulses.
When people tell me a AAA pitcher is “crafty” or “like Mussina” I think they forget that Moose could bring mid-nineties heat when he was in Baltimore. I just hope Kennedy (who has great numbers – better than Joba) can translate. I can’t wait to see!
Ouch, Mets bullpen just kissed number 300 goodbye tonight. It was only a one run lead but a lead nonetheless.
Poor Tommy Glavine.
Johnny Damon doesn’t sound like a bumbling idiot when it’s someone other than Kim Jones interviewing him.
Pete!!! I think I see you on TV during the Johnny Damon interview! on the postgame!!
Nice shot of Pete on YES postgame right now. Definitely caught him checking out this hot blondie next to him, but I understand, I would too.
GOOD TO SEE PETER ON YES DURING JOHNNY DAMON INTERVIEW ON POST GAME….GO PETE
CB,
You see that Whelan pitched tonight for Trenton. More domination, 2 0 0 0 1 4. Last two appearances he has been nasty, 4 0 0 0 1 8
I hope he keeps it up and gets to Scranton for a little bit at the end of August.
Jose Contreras was in his vintage form tonight. He showed us why exactly it is that we traded him a few years back. This game was great. 8 home runs, it was fun to watch. I know I have said this before, but Joe really needs to think about play Shelly in a few games coming up. Im thinking tomorrow with a lefty going. I dont want him to start every single day but it would make some sense to do this: Shelley takes over the DH role tomorrow, sitting Abreu (who is red hot but looks lost against lefties)and putting Damon in right or you just sit Johnny. I mean, the guy just hits homer after homer when he gets in there. I think he could help the team if you gave him some spot starts. Also, a present surprise, Krazy Kyle did not try to kill Jorgie tonight AND on top of that threw his 5th 1-2-3 inning. Maybe he can turn it around. A-Rod looks like he is ready to explode. Maybe he will hit homers 500 thru 502 tomorrow
Andrea
July 31st, 2007 at 10:41 pm
sunny: what kind of tantrum? why?
Andrea -
Beckett was thumping the coolers and pushing and throwing them around because of his poor outting. He was severely pissed. Youk was sitting behind him (the coolers were up by the rails) and he quickly bolted when Beckett started throttling them. Funny stuff.
Next time you see Michael Kay, pls tell him Ian Kennedy is a Right handed pitcher not a left hander as told to him by his buddy Jon Heymann.
And Boston is only worried about improving themselves for the postseason. NY is just a distant sight in their rear-view mirror.
Dude, things in your mirror are closer than they appear. 7 games back and a full 2 months to play. Here’s how Boston can improve for the postseason….buy every player a nice recliner and a keg of beer…..see ya…LOSER !!!
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