I agree with you on both points. Torre misuses his bullpen carelessly, Proctor included. He is a large part of the reason Proctor hasn’t fared well this year.

I also don’t believe Betemit is the answer at third. I find it humorous that people here believe that is why we got him. Arod is not going anywhere next year, and even in the small chance he did, the yanks would be looking for a top shelf third baseman.

To me, this trade was more about making room for impending roster moves, IE moving chamberlain and others up vs acquiring gagne. Betemit wont make much of a difference on this squad, even as a utility player. With Minky and Giambi coming back, I’m not even sure how this guy gets used.

BJ

my point is our bullpen was terrible before and now its worse. you guys seem to forget who our manager is. he ha some sort of complusion in using AT LEAST 3+ bullpen inning ss game and throwing relievers back to back to back games. now instead of proctor out there everyday its gonna be farnsworth or villone. its gonna get real messy come september

“i think burrel is terrible too. anyway, our bullpen was terrible before and now its worse. i think betemit will be ok actually. cant see the yankees obsession with him but he is better than cairo. the suggestions i have heard to replace the innings are not too logical.”

The story on our bullpen is far from over. Declaring it a failure now, with chamberlains recent move and success in the bullpen is premature. I am one of the guys who really misses Proctor too, but the story on our pen is far from over.

I do think Proctor got overused, and showed us signs of excellence last year. It seems he was used daily under torre, and simply couldn’t keep up with the workload. Further, he was a good guy with right attitude. I can think of several other relievers who should be dropped like a load of bricks before him. Having said that, he is not a young future phenom in our system, so I can live with it.

I see the move more as making room for guys like chamberlain, than getting another utility guy for our bench. This guy is not going to start at third for us if AROD leaves period, so lets stop entertaining that nonsense. This is the New York Yankees we are talking about here.

“jerkface- batting average is irrelvant? so im supposed to ignore .230? lets bring back steve balboni his ba was low too but he had power so then he must have been good.”

Jerkface is closer to the truth. Batting average is in fact a terrible meter of success compared to other diagnostics we have available. Look at Giambi last year for example. He batted around 250. Are you gonna tell me he had a bad year?

No, I didn’t think so. He had a resplendent year offensively albeit with a low batting average. He strikes out a lot, but also walks a lot with tons of extra base hits. His obp was 413 with a 558 slugging percentage for an ops close to one on the season. Those are hall of fame type numbers my friend.

Why we use batting average on the television is beyond me, but Jerkface is correct when urging to use other more meaningful statistics in evaluating offensive talent.

BJ