A few words on waivers
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 01, 2007 
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Now that the trade deadline has passed, let the trades begin!
What?
That’s right. Once more teams fall out of contention, you can expect another set of trades and it’s quite possible the Yankees could pick up a reliever.
The catch is that any player traded must first clear waivers.
Here is how it works:
If a player goes unclaimed, he can be traded to any team.
If one team claims a player, he can be traded only to that team.
If two or more teams claim a player, the team with the worst record in the player’s league can make the trade.
If a player is claimed and his team does not actually want to trade him, he is taken off waivers. But that process can only happen once.
Starting soon, you will read stories about how Player X or Player Y were placed on waivers. It means nothing. Every team in baseball will place virtually all of their players on waivers in the hopes of sliding one or two through.
Low-salaried players rarely sneak through. But an older, expensive player could. That’s how the Yankees ended up with Jose Canseco in 2000.
In most cases, teams block players from going to fellow contenders. But it’s possible somebody like Pirates reliever Damaso Marte could become available.
Why would a team place a player they have no intention of trading on waviers?
to see his value and to possibly get another player through.
Manny gets put on waivers every year.
It’d be interesting to see what the Yankees do with Farnsworth.
Surely he’ll be placed on waivers, which he will probably clear.
Then the question becomes how much the Yankees will have to pay of Farnsworth’s salary to have somebody else take him on (I don’t believe for a minute that the Yankees will get good value for him).
IDEALLY, somebody will claim Farnsworth, and the Yankees will let that team have him….
The Yankees are going to need another reliever.
“to see his value and to possibly get another player through.”
This.
You put all your players on waivers and it looks like you’re just putting all your players on waivers. Thus, other teams pay less attention. Also, if a team places a claim on a guy, you can just give him and his contract to that team.
For example, Farnsworth…He (and everyone else) will get put on waivers. Someone claims him…the Yanks can just dump him and his salary and that team HAS to take him. Teams probably don’t want to risk that, because they see the issues he’s having and know the Yanks were trying aggressively to trade him and might jump on the chance to dump him without having to pay any money. So, teams probably won’t claim him. At that point, the Yanks can deal him to whoever they want.
“The Yankees are going to need another reliever.”
Fortunately, they have several in the minors. Britton, Ramirez, and now Joba and Ohlendorf could perhaps get into the mix.
In 2000, the Yanks claimed Canseco to block him from going to Boston. They had no intention of actually wanting Canseco. When they Yanks claimed him however, Tampa Bay said, fine, he’s yours. That is one danger to the process.
this is how the yankees ended up with Lee Smith
“Fortunately, they have several in the minors. Britton, Ramirez, and now Joba and Ohlendorf could perhaps get into the mix.”
That’s great because you always want to have in August, down 3 games, a bullpen tryout thing.
This is why Cash held firm on Kennedy:
5. Ian Kennedy, rhp, Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Yankees)
As good as Chamberlain has been this season, Kennedy, who was taken 20 spots ahead of Joba in 2006, has performed just a little better. Well, OK, a lot better. Over the same three levels as Chamberlain, Kennedy, 22, has gone 11-2, 1.76 with 135-41 K-BB in 118 innings. Opponents are hitting a mere .171 off him. In his first Triple-A start, Kennedy pitched six scoreless innings, striking out six and walking two.
Can anyone be placed on waivers? If so how does that affect those that have a NTC?
Gagne will be a good right fielder for Boston when Drew is out with a mild headache which is most days. Boston got snookered.
Kudos to Brian Cashman for not being held hostage by Texas for a rent-a-player.
Tony NJ,
I assume you saw who was number one on that list(BA Hot Sheet). The amount of young pitching the Yanks have is insane.
Lol the way this post was written sounds like a segment of Kids on Deck
Canseco did not slip through waivers; he was claimed by the Yankees in order to block him from the Red Sox. Unfortunately, Tampa Bay just dumped him and his massive salary on the Yankees, even though neither team really wanted him.
This poses a question to the Yankees: If they could dump Farnsworth and his salary right now to a team not competing directly with the Yankees, would they do it? Farnsworth has been pretty worthless so far in his Yankees career, and maybe his subtraction would be addition with the extra roster slot, but it’s still tough to dump a guy who throws 100+ with a good slider.
Fan27 – if the trade is approved, if the player has a NTC, he is then asked if he will waive it (usually for an extension)
Josh…like in Josh the temper tantrum icehole Beckett ?…go troll somewhere else….loser….
2007 NY Yankees monthly record and winning percent:
Apr 9-14 .391
May 13-15 .464
June 15-11 .577
July 20-9 .690
By the way, good article by Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports today actually ranking the Yankees as one of the best deadline ratings, giving them credit for holding onto the youth. He was objective and reasonable, more so than Heyman on SI who dropped a lot in my mind with his rant on the Micheal Kay show and poor Yankee ranking today. He actually said the Yankees shold spent $250M and who cares about kids like Ian Kennedy.
I am a little confused. I thought a few winters ago when Manny was placed on waivers, any team could have had him if they were willing to take on his salary. Is there a difference between in and off season waivers?
Tony, where is that from?
Not to nitpick but if you look at their respective BABIP’s, you’ll see that Chamberlain has been unlucky this year when it came to balls in play going for hits. Just looking at what they did in Trenton, Chamberlain had a BABIP of .373 and Kennedy had one of .234. I don’t know what the league average is but I’m guessing that at .373 Joba was unlucky -which makes his dominance all the more noteworthy – and Kennedy was about average. This difference in BABIP holds for their stints in A and AAA so perhaps this accounts for the differences in BAA and other numbers.
Marte would be awesome pickup…
I’ve wanted Marte for the Yanks for about 3 years now… I still dont know whats the hold up.. He is perfect for the Yanks.. Imagine…
6th: Chamberlain
7th: Marte
8th: Vizcaino
9th: Rivera
or mixing the 6th, 7th and 8th up with those three players.. I like what i see
no way Marte makes it through waivers, he doesn’t make much money.
man Damaso Marte would be the perfect pick up, then we can get rid of the great Mike Myers
‘Just looking at what they did in Trenton, Chamberlain had a BABIP of .373 and Kennedy had one of .234. I don’t know what the league average is but I’m guessing that at .373 Joba was unlucky which makes his dominance all the more noteworthy and Kennedy was about average.’
.280 is about average so it seems as though Chamberlain was VERY unlucky and Kennedy was lucky
Marte would be sweet, but doubt it will happen- dont get your hopes up..
edit: .290 is average
Heyman was also the guy who wanted Phil Hughes traded and actually said he was “overrated”.
Many of the guys in the NY media (read Madden’s column today) are more hung up on the “get every veteran you can get, the hell with the kids” stuff than most fans.
If they ran ballclubs, they would run them into the ground.
The Yankees don’t make the playoffs in 2005 without Cano and Wang. They don’t make it in 2006 without Cabrera, and they won’t make it in 2007 unless Chamberlain and Hughes pitch well.
They have to begin mainstreaming younger players into the mix. Its not going to be an expansion team. However, wasting millions on older players CLEARLY hasn’t worked.
So, the Yankees are trying it a different way.
Will it work? All I know is, this team is a helluva lot more fun to watch when the kids bring the energy to the ballpark they bring, than watching lumbering veterans slogging through games.
The best teams have a healthy balance between youth and experience, homegrown guys and FA’s. The Yankees are trying to get back to that formula. Hopefully, they will succeed.
“That’s great because you always want to have in August, down 3 games, a bullpen tryout thing.”
Yeah, you know what would have been way better? Trade the starting CFer for 20 innings of Eric Gagne. Or, trade your expected cheap 2008 – 2014 4th starter for 20 innings of Eric Gagne.
Here’s something new on the Farns trade I didn’t know:
The Yankees’ asking price for the pedestrian Farnsworth provided a glimpse into the seller’s market. According to a high-ranking Rockies official, the Yankees, in exchange for assuming a large chunk of Farnsworth’s contract, asked for Franklin Morales and outfielder Ryan Spilborghs. — Denver Post
SJ44 -
I like the word “symbiosis” to describe what you call a “healthy balance between youth and experience, homegrown guys and FA’s.”
When you have the right balance, it is mutually beneficial to both the veterans and the “rookies,” the homegrowns and the FAs. They each bring something to the table that can be shared.
I agree it is so much fun seeing the youthful exuberance of the new guys, and it is equally as much fun to watch the veterans getting infected by that energy.
he could go through waivers if true ^^^
sunny,
I think that Kyle realizes that no one really wanted to pick him up and that he’s actually lucky to be on this team. I don’t know if DFA is in his vocabulary, but I think he’ll be pitching with a chip on his shoulder. Like he needs to prove something. This is where Torre’s true genius as a manager will become clear. It also helps that Kyle is white. (That’s a joke guys, just lol’ing at Sheffield). Hopefully Kyle understands he has a new lease on life and behave as such.
Now that the Yankees are in the mix for the playoffs, I don’t want it to stop here. But, if the baseball gods conspire against the Yankees and we don’t make it, then it’s going to be exciting to see which of the kids will be contributing next year. Hopefully, Alex will want to stick around to see it come to fruition. How weird would it be if Alex came to the All-Star Game next year in another uniform? Cheers or jeers?
That’s not the right usage of “chip on his shoulder”.
Spilborghs is a solid player — That would have been an excellent trade for the Yankees…
I don’t know where he would have played, but he’s a nice player
I hope Ryan Howard slips through waivers….or maybe Albert Pujols….
Mel,
Can there be any doubt that if Arod came back to the all star game in a different uniform you would hear the booing a thousand miles away! Remember Arod was booed pretty severely by his own fans in Yankee stadium last year.
No way Marte gets through waivers.
If Cashman actually asked for Franklin Morales alone never mind Morales and another player from the Rockies for Farnsworth that would be a real eye opener.
I don’t even know how Cash would say that with a straight face or not have his voice crack up with laughter.
“I’ll give you farnsworthless and you give me the your 21 year old 97 mph flame throwing left handed closer of the future/ replacement for Brian Fuentes?”
I find that hard to believe but GM’s are always asking for the moon.
It does also speak volumes for the market in pitching and what people were asking for.
Is Marte good enough to deal a Ian Kennedy for him?
Pauly,
No.
Did anyone get a chance to read Jim Callis’ chat? I missed it. Anything interesting about the Yankees? Thanks!
No
Kennedy>Gagne>=Marte
Well Kennedy isn’t better than Gagne or Marte at this point because he has no career mlb innings pitched. But my point was if the Yanks didn’t want to trade Kennedy for Gagne than the won’t trade Kennedy for Marte either.
“I don’t even know how Cash would say that with a straight face or not have his voice crack up with laughter.”
Because it’s a negotiation. If you start at the price you’re willing to settle for, then you have to haggle from there and you always wind up getting less than you want.
Also, the offer was basically “We give you Kyle for free, you give us these two kids.” Obviously the money changing hands would have shifted, which changes the players you ask for and so on.
For kd, who asked earlier about Manny Ramirez and waivers, here is a good description of the different types (scroll down a little bit):
http://baseballanalysts.com/ar....._and_1.php
The type of waivers we’re dealing with now are the third type.
Just to speculate —
I know Rivera wants to close for a few more years and Joba is going to be a starter eventually… is there any thought of him Papelboning into a future closer?
Has anyone else seen the Roger Clemens phone commercial? I just saw it for the first time this morning and it was hilarious!
“is there any thought of him Papelboning into a future closer?”
Not at this time. There’s been thought of Sanchez doing that, after he comes back from his surgery. His stuff is filthy, but there have been stamina questions. Pitching 1-2 innings 3-4 days a week might work out better for him, if he’s got the mental makeup for closing.
I’m still pissed that Cash went into the deadline with one glaring, significant weakness (the bullpen) and actually made it worse. And I was never a big Proctor guy and trusted him even less than Farnsworth in a big spot, but he was a decent arm and took the ball everyday. Now we’re going to fill those innings, in the heat of a pennant race, with rookies?
Even if you agree that the price for Gagne was too high (which I don’t) Cash couldn’t get someone like Wheeler, Qualls, Al Reyes, Chad Bradford, Jaime Walker, etc. for some combination of Clippard, Wright, S. White, Rasner, Ohlendorf, Marquez, etc.?
If Hughes, Chamberlin, and Kennedy are all in the rotation next year (a big dream), and Horne is insurance, what exactly is the point in having all those other arms hanging around losing value by the day?
Also, you’re not getting any decent bullpen arm through waivers with all the teams that are contending for playoff spots blocking each other. We’re gonna sink or swim with what we have.
There has never been any question about Joba’s stamina other than building up his arm strength as is the issue for any pitcher making a transition from college to professional baseball.
In fact its exactly the opposite. Joba has shown a remarkable ability to maintain velocity late into his starts. His longest start this year was in Trenton in mid July. He went 7 innings and was throwing 97-98 in his last inning of work and overall got stronger as the game progressed.
His issue with how far he pitches in games is related to his pitch count. Joba has the highest K/9 ratio in the entire minor leagues (roughly 13k/9 innings). Because he strikes out so many and is on that pitch count they’ve been taking him out in the 5th-6th inning of many of his starts.
He’s still throwing his 90 or so allotted pitches without difficulty.
His stamina looks to be a real plus, similar to what a guy like Verlander shows.
“His stamina looks to be a real plus, similar to what a guy like Verlander shows.”
If you’re responding to my post, read more carefully. I was talking about Humberto Sanchez.
“If Hughes, Chamberlin, and Kennedy are all in the rotation next year (a big dream), and Horne is insurance, what exactly is the point in having all those other arms hanging around losing value by the day?”
Because you can make better trades with them later. Flipping a Kennedy for 20 innings of Gagne is dumb. Flipping him for an entire season of some important piece is less dumb. For instance, if you can flip Kennedy (and perhaps a lesser prospect or two) this off-season for a good setup guy or a 1B who can actually field AND slug decently…that might be worth it.
Or, even better, find a AAA or AA catcher that looks promising and center a deal for him around Kennedy. That’d be pretty reasonable…a promising young catcher for a promising young starter.
No I was responding to the question:
“Just to speculate—
I know Rivera wants to close for a few more years and Joba is going to be a starter eventually… is there any thought of him Papelboning into a future closer?”
Papelbon was moved to the pen in part for concerns over this shoulder
Lineup for tonights game
Chi White Sox
J. Owens cf
J. Fields 3b
J. Thome dh
P. Konerko 1b
A.J. Pierzynski c
J. Dye rf
S. Podsednik lf
J. Uribe ss
A. Gonzalez
NY Yankees
M. Cabrera cf
D. Jeter ss
B. Abreu rf
A. Rodriguez 3b
H. Matsui lf
J. Posada c
R. Cano 2b
A. Phillips 1b
S. Duncan dh
promising young catchers are harder to find that promising young starters.
Agreed. Gagne isn’t worth dealing your second best minor league pitching prospect or your starting CF for at this time.
You hold onto assets for better players down the road.
Do we really know if the bullpen is “worse”? Until we see how Chamberlain or whomever else are slotted into roles, it may be a little premature to say the ‘pen is “worse”.
Proctor has been awful Post-AS Break. Relief pitching is the quintessential, “what have you done for me lately” role. What a guy has done in the last week is meaningful when assessing your bullpen.
Right now, they have to hope a couple of guys can have a hot month or two. If they do, the bullpen will be fine.
Obviously, they are counting heavily on Hughes and Chamberlain, perhaps even Ohlendorf, to be factors down the stretch. Risky? Sure it is.
But, IMO, its better to give them a shot than to stick with guys who have maxed out and aren’t going to get any better. I believe that describes Proctor, and Bruney, to a large degree.
Farnsworth? As long as they keep him out of game changing situations, they are stuck with him a while longer.
Either way, I’d rather hold onto assets than deal them for marginal players, which are most of the relief pitchers who were on the market.
“No I was responding to the question:”
Ah, I see.
“Papelbon was moved to the pen in part for concerns over this shoulder”
I live in Vermont, so I read a lot of New England press, and this doesn’t wash with what I read about the situation this off-season. They moved Papelbon into the pen last year because of a need, and the doctors feel this move caused/exacerbated his shoulder problem. They felt that the lack of rest between outings was bad for him. In the off-season, all the buzz was that Pap moving to the rotation was a smart move, because it would allow him to stay healthier while pitching more. Of course, then Theo the wonder boy couldn’t find a closer, Papelbon became a hero for offering to return to the pen, and Theo was BRILLIANT for allowing him to do so — and everyone forgot about what the doctors said.
So, with Pap, it seems like putting him in the pen is a bad idea for him and his career — but it’s necessary for the Sox. The shocking emergence of Okajima is the only thing that’s kept Pap healthy so far…and his velocity is dipping now, and people are starting to notice and worry.
“promising young catchers are harder to find that promising young starters.”
Salty is harder to find than promising young starters. A Kotteras or a DaNapoli, or a Kurt Suzuki probably isn’t. The Rangers apparently have some guys looking good at AA and AAA, and they just dealt for the best hitting, MLB-ready catching prospect there is. Go to them with some pitching in the off-season, and you can probably get one of those guys. Perhaps without even having to give up Kennedy.
As much as I want Gagne and as much as it makes the Sox the fav for the title, you cannot give up your 3rd best prospect and the 5th best prospect in the sport according to BA for a rental like Gagne.
And you certainly cannot give up your starting 22 yr old CF.
Chamberlain is not pitching in Scranton tonight. He has been assigned to Trenton and will pitch his bullpen inning tomorrow night for the Thunder.
If all goes well tomorrow night, I am guessing he will pitch another inning in Trenton on Saturday and be with the Yankees when they hit the road next week in Toronto.
The Yanks wouldn’t trade Kennedy for a stud like Gagne. You think they’d give him up for Marte???
Come on. Think a little.
They wouldn’t even give up Horne for Gagne!
Kennedy will be in the rotation next yr and maybe in the pen too this year.
Papelbon is closing for the Sox because he is the best option they had.
It makes them a better team.
5th best in the sport? Don’t think so. In fact I know that’s not true (Kennedy that is).
“Papelbon is closing for the Sox because he is the best option they had.
It makes them a better team.”
It also, barring the surprise awesomeness of Okajima, would have put him on the DL by September again. In fact, given that his velocity is dipping again, it might still put him on the DL by September.
Remember, the one danger about claiming a player off waivers is that if you can’t come to an agreement on the player and the original team REALLY wants to move him (maybe he’s a pain in the ass or has a gigantic salary) they can just dumb him and his contract on the team who claimed him.
“you hold onto assests for better players down the road.”
And what, just flush this season down the toilet? People forget this is a team built to win now. Jeter, Posada, Mo, Pettite, Matsui and Clemens aren’t getting any younger and the odds are that Arod’s gone at the end of the year. If the wildest fantasies about our ’09 rotation come true, who’s catching, closing, playing shortstop and batting cleanup?
As much as our ’90s dynasty was built on developing our own guys, it was also built on dealing off others (Marty Janzen and others for Cone, Hitchcock and Davis for Tino and Nelson, Drews for Fielder, Milton and others for Knoblauch, Ledee and Westbrook for Justice, etc.) Just hanging onto all your prospects and watching them rot on the vine or peter out and lose value is not the answer. When you have a chance to win, and we have as good a chance as anyone, you have to be ready to pull the trigger. I think Cash has gotten gunshy.
What I keep wondering is *WHY* daniels (Texas GM) kept asking for our #3 prospect in Kennedy or starting CF in Melky, but only asked for Gabbard, Murphy and E Beltre from the Sox… isn’t that similar in line to a Karstens/Rasner/Clippard and Brett Gardiner and some other A prospect?
Why was Daniels asking price for the Yankees so much higher than the Sox’s? I didn’t see Ellsbury or Buchholz in that deal?? Personally, I think Cash got shafted.
SJ44,
Joba was evidently moved to Trenton because he had to go to New York to get a passport. Logistically it was too difficult to get him back to Scranton to pitch.
There’s bee some speculation that this may suggest they’re thinking about bringing him up for the Toronto series next week (though I think Scranton may be playing ottawa as well)
http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledg.....038;coll=1
http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.....fault.aspx
“In fact, given that his velocity is dipping again, it might still put him on the DL by September.”
With the acquisition of Gagne, that makes it more likely Pap gets rested more often and avoids the DL.
SJ44 You should note he was only “demoted” because where ever Trenton is playing is closer to NY than Scranton.
i have just offcially placed myself on waivers……
“With the acquisition of Gagne, that makes it more likely Pap gets rested more often and avoids the DL.”
That’s true. However, they’ve already been resting him more by using Okajima to close sometimes. Also, Okajima has allowed them to use him for more than one inning literally only twice. So, his workload this season has been demonstrably lighter than it was last year…and his velocity is still dropping as the calendar turns to August. Gagne probably makes the situation better for them, yeah, but it’s by no means a given.
“Personally, I think Cash got shafted.”
I think that there are teams who, faced with deals of equal value from the Yanks and someone else, they’ll go with the someone else. Also, they know the pressure the Yanks have to win now now NOW and thus try to hold them up for more value. I mean, think of it from Daniels’ point of view. He had this offer from the Sox and tried to use it to leverage a real prospect out of the Yanks. He couldn’t. Why continue to deal with the Yanks at that point when you can just call the Sox and take their offer?
Just to comment on players that come through the organization……There’s a reason why Rivera, Posada, Bernie, Jeter have been so revered over the past decade…Yes they do conjure wonderful images of celebration…But the underlining reason is that they’re percieved as one of us, we Yankee Fans watched them come up, take their lumps, develop in front of our eyes….It’s as though they’re family….Just look and see how Melky, Cano, Wang have become a signifcant fiber in the fabric of the team and in our souls….The same will be true for Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and so on….These genetic Yankees get a free pass more often than not….There’s a sense of identification with them, they’re not like the in-laws…..So beyond the dollar practicality,it goes way beyond that….Then again that’s just an older guys perspective…….Loved the Mick…..
Jennifer – I think it was more because Scranton was playing in Ottawa and Joba didn’t have his passport yet.
yankees won’t get marte. the red sox will claim him in an effort to block him from the yankees, as usual.
Man, I am getting tired of people not giving Alan Horne some freakin’ credit. Just because he is the third or fourth best pitching prospect the Yanks have doesn’t mean we should have traded him for Gagne. Look at Horne’s numbers this year. 2.32 ERA, 131 K’s in 120 innings, and a go/ao ration of 1.47, which is phenomenal. The guy is the real deal. Just because he is behind Hughes, Joba and Ian on the depth chart doesn’t mean his overall value should be diminished.
Sunny –
You make a great point… I mean maybe I always see it this way because I am a Yankee fan who went to school in Boston… but I feel like Boston has given up very little in their recent trades – the Hanley Ramirez/Beckett trade being the exception.
Gabbard was getting moved to the pen anyway and the other kid is 17…Murphy was never going to be a starter. Why didn’t they demand Ellsbury or Bucholz???
That sort of stuff grinds on you after the repetition.
* Papelbon volunteered to close because he realized the Sox were extremely mediocre with Timlin or the Seattle cast-off as a closer.
“I think that there are teams who, faced with deals of equal value from the Yanks and someone else, they’ll go with the someone else. Also, they know the pressure the Yanks have to win now now NOW and thus try to hold them up for more value. I mean, think of it from Daniels’ point of view. He had this offer from the Sox and tried to use it to leverage a real prospect out of the Yanks. He couldn’t. Why continue to deal with the Yanks at that point when you can just call the Sox and take their offer?”
I’m sure Daniels thought the Yankees situation was more dire, but after seeing that Cash wouldn’t move, I still don’t see why he wouldn’t go for a Yankees package of similar prospects (or even _slightly_ better ones) over Boston’s. It’s been in several papers where Daniels said outright – give me Kennedy or Melky (plus others) or I Boston gets Gagne. Not even the slightest modicum of effort to make a leser deal that might be slightly better than Boston’s lackluster package.
And, I realize that just because he has dominated the EL it doesn’t mean he will dominate MLB. I have seen him pitch though and from my untrained eye he looked nasty.
“Man, I am getting tired of people not giving Alan Horne some freakin’ credit.”
I think it’s because he’s a bit on the older side to be raved about for pitching well in AA. He’ll be 25 this year, right? Now, if he goes to AAA next year and keeps up these numbers early in the season…he’ll get noticed more.
afb v.n
August 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pm
yankees won’t get marte. the red sox will claim him in an effort to block him from the yankees, as usual.
True – but in a situation where two teams claim one guy, the team with the *worse* record gets the trade – in this case – the Yankees.
The Red Sox can’t block anybody from Yankees during the waiver process, since they are ahead of the Yankees in the standings.
Waiver blocking goes in reverse order of the standings.
I think fans give Horne short shrift because all they have heard about have been Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy. But, folks who follow the game and have seen him pitch know he is the real deal.
Its not surprising the Yankees also feel the same way about him. He’s real, real good.
Karstans has been activated for tonight’s game and takes Proctor’s spot on the roster. When Betemit gets to NY, they will need to make another roster move to activate him.
“Not even the slightest modicum of effort to make a leser deal that might be slightly better than Boston’s lackluster package.”
Perhaps he didn’t see anything the Yanks could offer that he thought was better than the Sox offer. Maybe he’s kind of high on Gabbard. I think the Sox sold high on him, and I don’t think that’s any of Theo being a genius…I think it’s Daniels being tricked by a small sample size. Maybe I’m wrong, though, and the kid will be a solid starter for Texas for the next five year — then, unless the Sox go all the way this season, they look pretty dumb.
Basak probably will be the -victim- er guy
“Karstans has been activated for tonight’s game and takes Proctor’s spot on the roster. When Betemit gets to NY, they will need to make another roster move to activate him.”
That makes sense. Keep Basak for an extra day just in case.
The thing I like about Karstens is I feel like they have a real long-man now, so they don’t have to burn 6 pitchers on a day when the starter only goes 5.
“Waiver blocking goes in reverse order of the standings.”
The current standings, yeah? Not last year’s? That’s just for draft order, right?
Hey, did anyone else notice Peter in the background of the Damon interview on last night’s post-game show? He was standing right next to Johnny, and you could totally see him until someone stuck a mic right in front of his face.
sunny615 you don’t need a passport to go by land to Canada. You only need it by air.
“Maybe he’s kind of high on Gabbard.”
This is the only reason I can possibly see Daniels jumping on this package. But I’m still disturbed by the fact that Daniels wouldn’t consider other options (other than the big 4) like Karstens, Rasner, Clippard, Wright, or even a combination of them.
whozat,
You are correct that Horne is a bit old for the EL, but he is only 24, so he’s not ancient. That being said, he only started pitching professionally in 2006, so its not like he has been floundering in the system for years. He also had TJ surgery in 2003, which obviously slowed his development. He always had the stuff to be a top prospect, he just didn’t have the command/control. He has finally regained his control and that has allowed him to dominate.
dontfirecash,
Agreed on Horne. His numbers and stuff are both outstanding. Ultimately, its fortunate that the organization clearly puts significant value on him even if many fans/ analysts don’t. They clearly don’t want to trade him (even if he may not be “untouchable.”)
Thanks for the update on Whelan last night. His last two outings have been encouraging after that first start he had coming back to Trenton. He may be a boom or bust kind of guy – either a real shut down kind of guy or brian bruney…with worse control? We’ll see – hopefully the light bulb with his mechanics flips on. He’d be a great set up man for Mo and potentially even migrate to the closer role depending on how things go.
any reason why Betemit is not here yet?
“This is the only reason I can possibly see Daniels jumping on this package. But I’m still disturbed by the fact that Daniels wouldn’t consider other options (other than the big 4) like Karstens, Rasner, Clippard, Wright, or even a combination of them.”
He’s still a man. Maybe he just doesn’t want to deal with the Yanks unless he has to. Maybe he’s cranky he’s still paying ARod. Also, if he IS high on Gabbard, no combo of those other guys would make him jump. If he thinks Gabbard’s MLB numbers are close to real (meaning that he thinks the guy is a sub-4 ERA pitcher in the bigs), he’s not going to take a pair of guys that look to put up 4+ ERAs, even if they are younger. Especially if they have flyball tendencies like Karstens.
CB,
“Brian Bruney with worse control”….haha I didn’t even know that was possible.
Great, Damon is finally hitting and we sit him right down to get cold again. I hope ommiting him from the lineup was for a good reason
Wow, one game and he will get “cold” again? He can’t be much of a player if that’s the case.
Perhaps, now that they have a viable bench, Torre is trying to keep him hot by not getting into bad habits with against a lefty. Seems to work when he does it with Abreu.
Its the benefit of having a bench. You don’t have to run everybody into the ground every night.
Abreu is 2 for 3 with a HR of Danks
off Danks…