Pitching matchups for the Indians series
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so what’s the over/under on Michael Kay pointing out how much Paul Byrd looks like Kelsey Grammer (Which he doesn’t)?
im surprised they aren’t skipping hughes so moose is “on schedule”
We should sweep. But I think 2/3 is reasonable.
with those mathcups we should take 2 of 3. Glad we miss CC.
“We should sweep”
Dude – gotta stop being that typical arrogant Yankee fan. Cleveland is a first place team. A good team.
The Yanks haven’t faced real competition in a month plus the Bombers are on the road where they are a sub-500 team.
2/3 would be a god-send. A sweep – highly doubtful. Carmona and Hughes are two great young pitchers (Carmona with more MLB experience – he’s got a Wang like sinker)
Byrd is on fire.
The only real pitching matchup that “favors” us is Pettite vs. Westbrook.
Take of those Yankee goggles.
I’d gladly take 2 of 3 and move on.
Take 2 out of 3 and be happy about it.
From Jon Heyman:
One AL Scout said the Yankees will be that much better next year, with a full season from their three young phenom pitchers: Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy.
Al–I wasn’t being arrogant. I’m sorry if that statement touched a nerve. I don’t wear Yankee goggles either. Do you know what they look like? The Yankees are capable of sweeping. It’s actually possible, believe it or not.
Yeah, a sweep is ridiculous. The Yankees couldn’t even sweep Toronto.
Never look to pitching matchups to figure out winners or favorites.
Baseball isn’t played like that.
AL,
Maybe E-ROC made that statement because we swept them
earlier this year.I think we will take 2of3 and Hughes will pitch a gem today.
“Yeah, a sweep is ridiculous. The Yankees couldn’t even sweep Toronto.”
Hows being swept by k.c. feel?
A sweep on the road against a competitive team???
Like it can’t be done?
They’ll take the first 2 again and lose on Sun afternoon
SWEEP…..( taking Yankee goggles off now ) ….SWEEP !….LOL !
I agree, looking at the pitching, it’s not reasonable to suggest the Yankees will sweep, in fact Cleveland has the edge in 2 of the 3 matchups. Just for the record, we are 1 game behind Cleveland coming in. If we win two of 3 we leave tied with them. I hope (expect?) that the Yankees will win two of three but boy would a sweep be nice.
SoS – Check your calendar, game is tomorrow. This is a big, big weekend. Taking the first one will be very important – especially with the rookie “Hughes” pitching. Unfortunately, the next two games are a toss up, thanks to the inconsistency of Moose and Pettite of late. A sweep is a bit far fetch, 2 of 3 is a must – but let’s see if they can get the first one tomorrow night. The good thing for Hughes is that its on the road, so maybe he won’t be so jacked up like he was in the Bronx last Saturday. DO not forget, Carmona outdueled Josh Beckett nearly a month ago, so he is the real deal.
Jon Heyman couldn’t have said that. Must have been some pod person with common sense taking his place.
You have to continue to aim for 2 out of 3 in as many series as possible. we’re under the gun, and have done quite the admirable job so far of staying hot. I don’t think it’s arrogant to say that we’re good enough to take 2 out of 3 from anyone in baseball. Always easier said than done, however.
I look forward to watching whether Hughes recovers quickly again, or if we’ve got some early growing pains to look forward to.
If ARod misses the series we have a chance to sweep, because there won’t be any headline distractions to take away the focus from the players.
They can easily take all three. But they could easily lose all three
Would you put it past this team?
winning the series against a good team is all that is needed. a sweep is a bonus. we did sweep them last time but only thanks to some late innning heroics by a guy named Alex. it will be harder on the road.
What would it take to boot E-Rod from here?
Can we sign something????
Maybe donate to a charity??
With the way the bats are smoking why should any pitcher get an advantage over the Yanks???
A sweep on the road??
Some of you are very optimistic
Can we get Fridays game first??
Sorry,
Correction, Hughes will pitch a gem tomorrow.I am well aware Carmona has pitched really good but he hasnt faced an offense that we have. Secondly I dont think their offense is as good due to Hafner’ off year. Third we are not having to face Sabathia. So with that I say 2 or 3 at the least but a sweep isnt far fetched.
All three pitchers the Indians are throwing out there are pitching better (in their last 3 starts) than the 3 Yankee pitchers starting in this series.
I would be THRILLED with 2 of 3. That would make it a 4-2 roadtrip and that would be outstanding. Even 3-3 is an improvement for a team with an under .500 record on the road this season.
Interesting Heyman column. Last week, on Kay’s show, he ripped the Yankees for not trading Kennedy for Gagne. Wouldn’t accept a dissenting viewpoint. In fact, he called Kennedy a “nothing” (FWIW, he felt the same way about Hughes last year, calling him “overrated”).
Funny how he changes his tune after speaking to someone who knows a little more about prospects than he does.
He was a hack at Newsday and is now a national hack. He should be proud of himself. He now can share with a nationwide audience how little he knows about players, instead of saving his “nuggets” for a local audience.
It doesn’t take much for someone in the media to do a little research about prospects. You can get a cross section of opinions from respected baseball people if you put some time in. Who knows, you make actually learn something.
Is Cleveland a good offensive team?
Fausto Carmona has the best name in baseball. He sounds like a Mexican wrestler.
When will be the next time Torre bats ARod 8th???
I’d like to have a Gagne here more than anyone but you can’t trade a guy like Kennedy for him.
You don’t trade 21 yr olds who project to be #3 starters in the AL East. Especially projected to be next season.
So pitching matchups on paper are now “stats”?? Enlighten me on that Rich.
By your theory Minnesota should be 21-0 when Santana pitches.
Boston should be 42-0 when Beckett and Dice K pitch
They are always favored in the matchups so why dont they always win???
That’s why gamblers stay in business and make millions from baseball. Because of idiots like Rich.
E-Rod,
How’s Ortiz feeling???
Why even play the games if you’re going to base wins and losses on who’s starting?
Like a pitcher like Wang won’t go out there and throw up a stinker?
Carmona is fool proof? Paul Byrd is a Cy Young winner? Jake Westbrook is a shutdown ace all the sudden?
There is a reason why games are not played in the paper or on a computer.
I wish E Rod was at least funny in his anti Yankee crapola. But sadly, he’s not.
I don’t think ARod will break Bonds record. we all expected Ken Griffy Jr. to break Aaron’s record but look what happened and with all those injuries and who knows the same could happen to ARod so don’t get too excited. (maybe if he opts out and goes to a losing team like texas where he hit once 57 home runs he’ll be able to do it but under New York pressure its very doubtful).
Big series coming up. Got to take care of biz.
We always play well in Jacobs Field.
Hope everyone is o.k. in New York.
Just a payback game from Toronto last night, they’d been embarassed the first 2 games of the series.
I expect a good bounceback game from Hughes & the rest of the Yankees. Alex will be in, too.
Those matchups don’t look too good to me, but that’s why they play the games and Cano is EN FUEGO. Also, Hafner left with tightening in the knee in yesterday’s game.
You have to ignore what Heyman says. Like Lupica, there are a number of writers in New York who broke in during George’s heyday and have serious biases towards the Yankees. No one with an ounce of sensibility takes Lupica seriously (can he go three days without mentioning the Yankee payroll?), he’s a Mets’ fan who went to Boston College. Heyman’s the same; he grew up on Long Island as a Mets’ fan. Heyman, at least is a good reporter, but you have to ignore the opinions.
Hey, get real. Carmona has given up only 4 ers in his last 37 innings. Westbrook allowed none in his last start. And Byrd pitched a complete game shutout his last time out. 2 out of 3 would be huge.
i posted this in the last comment section but didn’t realize this one was going on ….
anyone know what the rules are for a suspension , is it like the DL where u can bring someone up and not affect a major roster move ?
if so then kennedy should get a shot.
Hasn’t handled the pressure of NY?
Ummmmm
Have you seen his numbers this year and the past 3 years you ignorant moron?
Apparently not.
Not handling NY pressure is Ed Whitson. It is Kenny Rogers.
Not someone leading the MAJOR LEAGUES IN HOMERS AND RBI’S.
I like reading Heyman. He’s an enjoyable read. I don’t look for sportswriters to “Wow” me. Just write interesting stories.
All the writers over 40 have written too much about Bonds and PED’s for my liking anyway. They got old mans disease.
So, Rich, the Yanks should just fly to Baltimore now because they are losing all three based on your pitching matchup thing?
Great job, Rich. Way to let the players play. Moron.
Things are not looking good. Carmona has been lights out and Byrd almost unhittable. 1 out 3 if we’re lucky.
You can’t base it just on pitchers who are starting. Look at the lineups and who’s hitting. Because not many are hitting for Cleveland at the moment. Huge edge to NY.
This time when we played Toronto ARods wife came along and stayed with him in the hotel, seemingly she was worried if….
“1 out 3 if we’re lucky.”
Obviously, this person hasn’t watched the Yankees hit since June 1.
They may as well pack it in. Paul Byrd is on the mound!
What a joke.
Matchups are not an indicator. Otherwise every favorite in todays paper would win. Rich obviously doesn’t gamble.
You’re a moron Rich. Go back to that room of yours and crack those stats. Sports are not won with a calculator before a game is played. Did your Mommy drop you on your head?
If pitching matchups decided winners I’d be a rich man right now.
This series will probably depend a lot in the offence, let’s hope A-Rod is okay and we will have a unique line up.
Carmona is a good pitcher. We’ll just have to be on our game.
Where’s your spam link ABK??
The Mets were one base hit away last night from being swept and humiliated by the Braves here.
Cleveland is a good team. Playing at home. With the pitchers they want on the hill. You don’t think the Yankees with the way they are playing right now are psyched and ready and motivated for this???
You going to outcalculate me Rich or does the matchup favor me too much? Why even bother, right Rich???
Moron.
There is an easy way to deal with any of these Yankee bashers…
http://static.flickr.com/58/22.....89d3_o.jpg
It wasn’t a spam link, I just didn’t know exactly how to fill up the comment request before posting a comment so it bacame link-like, sorry for the inconvenience.
Connor,
You can’t discuss anything rationally with stat geeks.
Don’t you know that?
They’re too busy praying at the altar of Billy Beane.
Good link D Train.
What are the chances TB holds on here??
I generally like Heyman, but he dropped a lot in my book last week for beating up the Yankees for not trading Ian Kennedy for Gagne. He said he grew up a Yankee fan and they should be spending $250M a year. I still mostly like his articles, but I didn’t think he made any sense in that interview. With Joba here now and Ian knocking on the door, is there anyone on this board who regrets not getting Gagne? Granted we may feel different if we meet them in the ALCS, but the Red Sox getting Gagne did nothing to hurt the Yankees in season.
Have you seen Tampas bullpen lately?
They need a 10 run lead to hold on.
E-Rod is the “crazy aunt in the attic” of this blog. Like that aunt, what is said should just be ignored. He spews non-sequiters and waits for a reaction. He is probably a nerdy, pimply, 110 lb, 16 year old who has no other life. Grow up dude.
Obviously I do if you keep on cutting and pasting and responding and being so defensive.
Give it a rest Rich. Calculate that.
E-Rod might be a loony aunt but loony aunts are usually funny.
He’s more like the drunk and obnoxious uncle. Who everyone is dying to see either pass out or leave. Even if hes driving drunk.
Heymans solid.
He hates Pavano with a passion. Almost as much as Pete hates Farnsworth.
There still is only one Gammons. Even if hes pro Boston
I like Buster Olney and Ken Rosenthal.
Even if they have some weird ideas on how to improve teams. They are good reads.
Rosenthal did want to trade Hughes for Tex. Something which to me is ponderous.
i am by no means a stat head, but rich’s point seems to be valid. he’s not saying the games are pre-decided. just when looking at the pitchers, they’re going to be tough. if santana was pitching agaist desalvo, iguana, wright, etc, would you say it’s likely that santana would give up less runs? not saying which team would win, just that it’s probable that santana would put his team in a better chance to win. it’s also like saying arod/jeter/posada are more likely to get a hit than nieves (when he was on the roster). it’s not saying it will happen, just likely.
There is only one good baseball writer.
Pete Abe!!
Pete can you please stop posting the pitching matchups, they are just a bunch of letters and numbers that have no outcome on the actually game.
And my point Bruneys chair is that is no way to try and figure out who is going to win. It’s fun and it obviously gives a team an advantage on paper because Santana is going against Igawa. But it’s baseball. Games are not played in computers and on paper. You can’t look at a series pitching matchups and decide how many games you’re going to win or lose.
How many starters even go 7 innings anymore???
Wh dont bullpens play a role in that thinking? A teams offense??
I wasn’t trying to bash Heyman. I think he’s a great reporter and writes interesting articles. But he’s no socut, so his evaluation of talent is going to be off-base.
YanksSox is just mad he got banned from all the Boston blogs and he can’t see his beloved Sox matchups.
Booo hoooo
I really enjoy reading all the opinions (positive, negative, informed, etc.) here on Pete’s blog. Differences of opinion are interesting and entertaining, but can everyone just chill and stop with all the name-calling. It’s juvenile and takes away from the exchange that this comments section is meant for.
I love Boston fans posting here.
Makes us Yank fans seem even smarter and more with it.
Yankees will do well in this series. I wouldn’t say sweep, but it would be nice. They have the offensive power to win the game.
But this is the test now. If the Yanks can put up the numbers they have been, then we truly know they are back and the playoffs are very much a reality.
If they don’t, then we know it was only cause of playing sub 500 teams and we wait for next year.
Geez I’m away 5 days and Miggy, Brian, Mike are all gone. The Yankees actually made moves I thought they should. I’m shocked!
The Jays didn’t get over the HA incident like they claimed they did in NY. Good to read that Roger did take care of business.
Heard from a friend that Joba was absolutley dominating, I can’t believe I missed his first appearance.
I bought a NY paper, but it didn’t give me all these juicy details, I had to be filled in. Damn NY post.
I’m flying to Cleveland tonight with my wife and 4 year old daughter, will let ya know if ARod plays tomorrow.
If you can’t take someone questioning your opinion than you shouldnt be posting.
But that doesn’t give anyone the right to name call.
Like Rich did at the top.
he may not agree with something but you cannot say:
Rich
August 9th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
“Never look to pitching matchups to figure out winners or favorites.
Baseball isn’t played like that.�
such a stupid statement… youre right, lets completely throw stats out the window.. after all, theyre a completely useless measure of a players ability or likely production… moron.
That is ridiculous. If you don’t agree, state why not without name calling.
It just makes you look like a jerk that you probably are.
To the guy who said Paul Byrd has been unhittable lately…are you serious, paul byrd? Solid pitcher, yes…but, unhittable?
Yeah, he pitched a complete game shutout in his last start against Minnesota, but he struck out 1 batter in that game and his groundout to flyout ratio was 13-13. That’s a lot of luck right there. The Yankees have a much better offense than minnesota, and aside from that last start Byrd has been solid lately, but nothing spectacular. If Mussina can just do what he’s been doing lately….6 innings 3 or so runs, we SHOULD win that game. Carmona will be tough, hopefully we see the Hughes we saw in Texas earlier in the year, and I’d say we have the edge in the series finale. Anything could happen, but the Yanks should be able to take 2 of 3.
This should be no place for name calling.
Unless that person is a Sox fan.
connor, i completely agree.
just look at last night with wang. there’s no way to predict what will happen. as the saying goes, that’s why they play the game. it doesn’t mean, however, that looking at pitching matchups is worthless. besides, it gives us something to debate about on an off day.
firstly, carmona’s stuff is ridiculous. he makes wang look positively pedestrian. don’t believe me? wait and see. that’s not a great match-up for the yankees, especially when hughes is obviously still getting his feet under him.
secondly, mussina vs. ANYONE in a big game for the yankees gives the advantage to the other team. period. and byrd’s been pitching well.
westbrook’s also been pitching well, but the yankees can beat him IF pettitte pitches well.
2 of 3 is doable, if they play the way they’ve been playing and the pitching doesn’t falter. predicting a sweep is, in my opinion, expecting too much. cleveland’s a very good team, a first place team, and they pitch well.
of note: detroit is losing to tampa bay 3-0 right now. seattle has horacio ramirez on the mound, and he is godawful on the road. IF both detroit and seattle lose, the yankees will share the wild card lead.
“This should be no place for name calling.
Unless that person is a Sox fan.”
Bring it on, you guys seem a little testy today, just send all that hate this way.
Bruney busted chair,
They’re worthless in the predicting of games sense.
They are extremely worthwhile to be discussed and talked about and pondered. And they are an indicator of what can go on.
I was just saying they can’t be relied on for outcomes because we’ve all seen good pitchers get bombed and lose to teams they shouldn’t.
Considering good pitching is the key to the game I think it is good thing to discuss and ponder.
But I don’t like seeing people write off th Yanks because they may be at a SP disadvantage. it’s not like they are facing the 1995 Braves
You guys are giving pretty extreme examples of pitching matchups favoring one team. It’s not like Byrd vs. Mussina is anyting close to Santana vs. Igawa. I would give maybe a slight edge to Byrd, but not by much. They have the edge in game 1. And the finale I’d say we have the edge. So, it’s not that big of an edge toward cleveland for the series as a whole.
YanksSox
You really get banned from all the Beantown blogs?
They must love your nonsense in Boston like we do here!
I admit it up front I am a Yankee homer. But I want to remind all the Yankee bashers that the Yankees swept Cleveland (admittedly, at home) back in April. And while it is nice to try and predict the outcome of a game based on a pitching matchup, you can’t. You just can’t. Who would have predicted the terrible outings of Clemens and Garland last week and CMW yesterday? (Aside from assorted Yankee haters/trolls, of course)
Byrd is OK–not the greatest though. He’s on my fantasy team and the last start was awesome, but he’s blown it on other occasions. I’m still mad at Carmona for not being able to get a save against the Sox last year after Cleveland traded Wickman (although I am completely impressed with his ability to bounce back this year). I have hope for Phranchise (also on my fantasy team) and Joba (ditto) for tomorrow night.
Go Yankees!
Forgive me if I’m not shaking in my boots because of the CLE pitching staff.
Eddie,
Never been banned from any site, and I am guessing you have never read my posts on here, because I have never said or done anything that warrants banning.
The A-Rod homer off Joe Borowski that he hit in April still hasn’t come down yet.
When did Byrd become a God?
He’s an average pitcher with average stuff who doesn’t walk anyone and allows a lot of hits.
Jake – yes, the homer from said April sweep.
YanksSox,
You should be banned for lameness.
1978.
After watching Carmona last Aug, I would have bet anything he would never pitch again in the majors.
I thought he’d pull a Donnie Moore.
Byrd gives up significantly more flyball out the groundball outs and doesn’t strike many batters out. There’s no reason the yankees shouldn’t score off him or westbrook with their offense. Carmona will be extremely tough.
Question
Should Detroit and NYY tie for the wild card, in having the exact same record, who won the season series? Or do we have to play a one game playoff?
Just curious, is all!
Was Farns put on waviers? Or was someone yanking my chain.
Wasn’t this the same Carmona the number one propect 2 years ago?
According to the Post, he cleared waivers, but he’s still on the team. He pitched last night.
You can’t tell me Mussina vs. Carmona, Pettitte vs. Byrd, and Clemens vs. Westbrook is worse than the Yankees 3 scheduled. It’s better! Clemens could appeal his suspension & pitch Sunday. Even if he couldn’t, Hughes vs. Westbrook Sunday still makes a better Yankee 3 than what idi ot Torre has penciled in.
Don’t be suprised if the Yanks drop 2 of 3 this weekend.
I give Hughes a pass last Sat. cuz the Yanks won in spite of him & K.C. is just horrendous, but if he suc ks 8/10, 15 & 20 and the Yanks go 1-2 or 0-3 in those games, sorry, it isn’t his time yet, Joba Chamberlain has to take his slot in the rotation for 8/26 @ Detroit on. The Yanks can’t afford a weak link #5 starter along w/ a weak link #7 reliever (Farnsworth). I assume Cashman is still trying to get another arm for the pen as I’m NOT impressed by Jim Brower although he did get out of a jam w/ a double play Tues. night.
Rebecca,
Yanks haven’t even played Detroit yet so they need to wait and see who wins the season series, and that team would get into the playoffs.
I didn’t know my “We should sweep” statement would that many arguments back and forth. My bad!
We need 2 of 3. Hughes getting us off to a good start tomorrow would be huge. I’d hate to be relying on Mussina to pick up the W on Saturday if we lose tomorrow.
^^ I forgot cause.
Yanksox,
Thank you!
I missed the beginning of the season b/c I was out of the country so I’m not really familiar with who they played in April and May. Thanks again.
Thanks Rebecca, i’ve missed so much in the last few days. I need to catch up on my Yankee news!!
i am not taking a “side” in this debate, b/c i obviously like looking at stats, but Chase Wright AND Kei Igawa beat the Indians in April.
it is meaningless but needed to be said.
Devil Rays up 3-0 on the Tigers and have a runner in scoring position.
The outcome of their series ending game tonight with the Pale Hose notwithstanding, the Indians will have dropped 4 of their last 7 series, with 1 tied four-game series in there.
They aren’t exactly setting the league on fire, although they are a good team. They have been playing tougher teams than the Yanks as of late, having lost to Boston and Minnesota in that stretch. But, they also lost series to Texas and the White Sox as well. We swept them in the Bronx in April when we sucked otherwise. Kei Igawa (remember him?) got his first MLB victory against the Indians.
We don’t need to sweep, as great as that would be. Let’s take two of three on the road and be happy!
I think everyone can agree that pitching matchups do not _determine_ who will win the game, but they can be used to predict who might have a better chance of winning the game. They of course do not take into play two very deciding factors: offense, or quality of the bullpen
Hughes-Carmona matchup should be a good one.
The Boston Socks have extended the contract to the vendor that throws bags of peanuts at the Green Sardine Can in Section 21.
Two more years @ $4.00 per hour + commission. How about that John Henry … WHAT A GUY !!
Tampa up 4-0. Top of the 7th. Kazmir maybe has one more inning in him (94 pitches). Then the pen…
For those who don’t know….Hafner is day to day with a bad knee…..let’s hope it takes 4 days to heal
Pete or SJ44, please clarify what happens if two teams tie for the wildcard. I don’t think it comes down to the season series, I think there is a one game playoff. The exception is when both teasm are already in the playoffs then the ranking changes based on season series.
My understanding is a tie with Det for example for the wild card would result in a one game playoff.
When is Kazmir a free agent? I wouldnt mind having that left hander on our team. He seems to do well vs. tougher teams.
Hafner hasnt been that good this year. So if he plays or not it wont matter as much as it did in the past.
Tampa up 5-0, top of the 7th runners on the corners and no outs.
Sorry to hear about Hafner and here’s hoping he feels better after the Yanks leave Cleveland.
5-0 Tampa
Kazmir is good through 2008 I believe……
Jeff NJ – I’m pretty sure you’re right. Season series standings only affect division standings when both teams are in the playoffs – like 2005.
Jeff,
Yes that is correct, I was thinking of Division tie. In the case of a wild card tie, there is a one game playoff.
8-0
There are 2 types of Boston fans. Those who watch it happen and those who wonder what happened.
All the playoff tiebreaker scenarios can be seen here
http://www.baseball-reference......ties.shtml
ok thanks. I’m thinking a tie seems as likely as ever this year, but maybe it always seems like that until it’s not.
But 3 at bats to go for Tigers. Against that pen, very doable unfortunately.
I betting the final score in detroit will be 10-8 Tigers.
Imagine next year that we have THESE Pitchers as possible Starters :
Clemens
Pettite
Wang
Hughes
Chamberlain
Kennedy
Santana
Mussina
Just imagine if it is the Yankees that get to either trade for, or trade away, or let retire people on that list and end up with ANY FIVE in our starting rotation.. IMO, we keep at least 2 of the 3 kids…and do our best to show Mussina the same door out, that Santana walks in. I can dream, right ? OK…now everybody bash me…I’m gonna grab a beer and get ready to chuckle…
Jeff
Ties are very hard to come by, the last was in ’99 in the NL between the Mets and someone from the central I believe. I think that was the only one since the wild card has become part of baseball.
But it would sure be exciting.
Did anyone notice that Kyle Davies is pitching a gem for KC? Two hits no runs, into the seventh. Of course, I’ve probably just jinxed him and Minny will come back, but…
Hey, if you ever have a question about someone’s contract, check out this website:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
From there you can navigate to team-by-team. Someone with a bit more baseball knowledge can help out with this, but it shows Kazmir as having a one-year deal worth less than 0.5. million a year, signed this year. I don’t know if they have rights to him way beyond that (since he’s young), or what. But that’s what he’s making right now, which is approximately 1/10 of what Igawa gets. Just for reference.
Only way you have Santana next year is if one of the kids heads to Minny. Don’t think Clemens will be back. Ditto Pettitte. That means it would be 5 of these 6: Wang, Moose, Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain and Santana. Either Santana is not in the mix or one of the kids isn’t. Not bad though.
8-1
You can also check this out http://answers.yahoo.com/quest.....545AAUoJrs
This guy says that w/ Kazmir it’s not a contract question but a service time question, and that he won’t be a FA until after the 2010 season.
“I think everyone can agree that pitching matchups do not determine who will win the game, but they can be used to predict who might have a better chance of winning the game. They of course do not take into play two very deciding factors: offense, or quality of the bullpen”
Exactly what I was going to post. Of course you can’t just look at the matchups and say, “We have a better pitcher, we are guaranteed a win” but instead the matchups help tell us who has a better chance of winning. If you think matchups are meaningless, then you’re an idiot.
The Yanks offense is much better than the Indians’ right now…Hafner is slumping/hurting, Sizemore is awesome but not quite as good as he was last year, Garko and Blake are regressing to their means a bit…
Clearly the Yanks have a better offense than the Indians do…just because pitching favors them in 2 of 3 and Carmona is nasty doesn’t mean we’ll be lucky to win 2 of 3…I would be disappointed if we didn’t win 2 of 3, a sweep would be a bonus. We just need to keep winning series.
They’re not worried in Detroit. It’s like the guy on the Titanic when he said, “Nothing to worry about, it’s just the tide coming in. It’ll go out later”.
Sh*t, are we going to get both Guthrie and Bedard in Baltimore? Guthrie on Mon, Bedard on Wed., with cabrera in between??
If Bedard starts Friday night then we get him next week, if they give him an extra day of rest and push him to Saturday we would miss him…the latest word is they’re pitching Bedard Friday to keep him on schedule, let’s hope they change their minds.
He looks tired. Someone tell him.
“this wilson kid is amazing. click here”:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bo.....page=plays
LOL….too funny Cassidy !!!
David
August 9th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Only way you have Santana next year is if one of the kids heads to Minny. Don’t think Clemens will be back. Ditto Pettitte. That means it would be 5 of these 6: Wang, Moose, Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain and Santana. Either Santana is not in the mix or one of the kids isn’t. Not bad though.
David….I would say more likely that Clemens is gone than Pettite…I would take either of them back, but even one would be awesome….remember…I am dreaming…so don’t rain on my parade !(joke)
The day the Yankees (and their fans) legitimately fear facing Paul Byrd is the day I stop being a Yankee fan.
Still a pretty good parade is my point. 8-1 in top of ninth. Oh, and have another beer on me.
ESPN has Bedard pitching Saturday and Gutherie, Cabrera and Burres pitching against us.
Fox has Bedard tomorrow.
so the thread starts out looking at pitching matchups for the weekend. a bunch of bickering on whether pitching matchups are worthwile or not. followed by some people trying to figure out who’s pitching in the next series
aye aye aye
Can anybody tell me how Giambi has looked at his at bats since comming back? I havnt been able to see the last couple of games.
Trade Jeter for Wilson.
Tigers lost
Pitching matchups don’t mean a whole lot when you consider the pitching matchups back in April when the Yanks swept the series:
Chase Wright vs. Jake Westbrook
Kei Igawa vs. Jeremy Sowers
Darrell Rasner vs. Fausto Carmona
Can you think of a worse starting trio in any series the Yanks have had this season?
I certainly can’t.
I assume everyone knows there are posters here who aren’t Yankee fans followed up by other posters attacking the “troll” for being a typical Yankee fan.
The only baseball writer ever worth reading was Roger Angel (sp). No writer comes close. Period.
Hey Viper, sample size. Pitching match ups tell part of the story, but obviously aren’t everything. They certainly aren’t meaningless.
CBS has Bedard pitching tomorrow and it was updated yesterday..
And Heyman is an idiot.
Hey Bob, sample size.
I guess that means Cleveland’s edge this weekend isn’t any more meaningful than the series in April.
I’m not at all making any predictions this series one way or another. My point is that the pitching matchups don’t really mean a whole lot based on the obvious disadvantage the Yanks had last time around.
Of course, if you bothered to read the very first sentence in my last comment, you would already know that was my main point – not that the Yanks were going to win this time around simply because they did so last time with inferior starting pitching.
SJ44…. sounds like sour grapes about Heyman… jealous? He has SI.com – you post on a board. Get over it. Some of us are good writers others aren’t.
Maybe sprinkle in a few Shakespeare quotes in your posts and SI will come calling.
West Coast, ever read David Halberstam?