Game 119: Orioles at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Aug 14, 2007 
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Here is the lineup:
YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Posada C
Giambi DH
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
Karstens (0-2, 10.13)
Pregame chatter: The Yankees have won four straight and 9 of 10. … Cabrera has an 18-game hitting streak. He has 18 RBI and 15 extra-base hits in that stretch. … Matsui has hit safely in 34 of the last 37 games. … Andy Phillips is 3 of his last 23 over eight games with one RBI. … Kyle Farnsworth has appeared in only seven of the last 26 games. But with Mariano Rivera and Joba Chamberlain unavailable, he may be needed tonight.
UPDATE, 6:05 p.m.: Comments on the death of Phil Rizzuto:
Yogi Berra: “This is a sad day for Carmen and me. Phil was a gem, one of the greatest people I ever knew – a dear friend and great teammate.He was a heck of a player, too. When I first came up to the Yankees, he was like a big, actually small, brother to me. He has meant an awful lot to baseball and the Yankees and has left us with a lot of wonderful memories.”
Joe Torre: “Phil was a Hall-of-Famer both on and off the field, and when you were in his company, he made you feel like a family friend. Every time Scooter walked into my office, the first thing he’d say is, ‘Where’s Jeter? Where’s Jeter?’ A few minutes later I’d see the two of them giving big hugs to each other in the clubhouse. That’s the type of person Phil was, you just couldn’t figure out how such a big heart could fit inside such a small body.�
Bobby Richardson: “When I joined the Yankees at age 19, Phil became my first roommate. The train left spring training that season to head north and he shared the seat next to me. Later in Phil’s career, Casey Stengel would sometimes pinch-hit for him late in the game, and then I would enter the game at shortstop. Can you imagine, me playing defense for Phil Rizzuto! I learned so much about baseball and life from Phil. He was fun-loving off the field, and on the field he was the one person that kept the team together. He was deservedly recognized by the Hall of Fame, and it was an honor to be his teammate and friend.â€?
Derek Jeter: “Mr. Rizzuto serves as the ultimate reminder that physical stature has little bearing on the size of a person’s heart. Nothing was ever given to Phil, and he used every ounce of his ability to become one of the greatest Yankees to ever wear this uniform.”
Don Larsen: “Phil was one of the most jovial people you’d ever come across. We were teammates for a short time, but he made a lasting impression with everyone whose life intersected his. He and his wife, Cora, were a special couple, and my heart goes out to her and the rest of the Rizzuto family.�
Bud Selig: “I am terribly saddened by the death of Phil Rizzuto. Phil was a unique figure who exemplified the joy of our game to millions of fans. He was an integral part of the New York Yankees throughout the 1940s and 1950s before bringing his distinctive personality and his infectious enthusiasm to the broadcast booth. On behalf of Major League Baseball, I express my deepest sympathy to his wife, Cora, his family and his legions of fans everywhere.”
UPDATE, 6:16 p.m.: Torre mentioned that Robbie Cano will probably get tomorrow off and Wilson Betemit will play second base. … Doug Mientkiewicz is taking BP in Tampa but is unlikely to be back before Sept. 1.
UPDATE, 6:21 p.m.: Here is some audio from the great Yogi Berra on his friend and teammate, Phil Rizzuto:
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UPDATE, 7:12 p.m.: Great story from Bobby Murcer on Rizzuto: “He actually left me alone one time in the booth early in my career. With three innings left in the game, he asked me if I wanted a cup of coffee. He got up in between innings to get the coffee and never came back. I had never done play-by-play before and there were three innings left. The next day he shows up with a cup of coffee and says, ‘Here’s your coffee.’ �
UPDATE, 8:02 p.m.: On, let’s try this again. Here’s a link to LoHud.com’s Phil Rizzuto tribute page.
UPDATE, 8:31 p.m.: Golly, it appears the Yankees are not going to end the season with a 47-game win streak. Clearly Karstens should be executed, Torre and Cashman fired and Steinbrenner forced to sell the team.
Some of you need to get realistic. The Yankees did not feel one game was worth taking a player off the 25-man and 40-man rosters to bring up Ian Kennedy. Beyond that, they owed Karstens a shot. He threw five pitches with a broken leg on April 28. I’ll repeat that, he threw five pitches with a broken leg. He’s also not some bum, he had a very good spring training and an 0.92 ERA in six rehab starts in the minors.
Yes, the Yankees might lose and Karstens didn’t pitch well. But I suspect they’ll show up tomorrow to play.
UPDATE, 9:25 p.m.: Karstens’s ERA was compiled over 10.2 innings in four appearances, two of which were in April. You can’t judge him on his ERA. Anybody harping on that really isn’t paying much attention.
Meanwhile, please ignore the trolls. They will go away or back to the Cask and Flagon.
UPDATE, 9:40 p.m.: Got the e-mail forwarded to me from the Yanks:
The Hillside Historical Society operates a museum in Hillside, the home town of Phil Rizzuto. We house the Phil Rizzuto Hall of Fame Exhibit. We have a room dedicated to Phil and on display are trophies, plaques, pictures and other items donated to us by Phil and Cora Rizzuto. We are located at 111 Conant St., Hillside, N.J. Phil would come down to the museum and autograph pictures for the public. The exhibit is part of the Woodruff House/Eaton Store Museum. More details about our museum are on our website. “www.woodruffhouse.org”
UPDATE, 10:08 p.m.: Who knew that “Luis Vizcaino” is Spanish for “Scott Proctor”? Yikes. But there really isn’t anybody else. I wanted to see Krazy Kyle go for a record four straight hitters retired.
All that’s left now is whether Melky can get to 19 straight.
maybe Karstens can actually post decent numbers tonight.
How much longer can Damon be happy not playing? Not saying he should be playing, but ego’s have to come into place at sometime.
This game is too emotional, I think, to have Kyle Farnsworth pitching tonight.
They owe the Scooter at least that.
excellent. this is the “A” lineup for offense. which is what they are going to need with Karstens on the mound.
kudos to Torre.
Goodbye AAAAndy (that’s Quad-A) Phillips. I like what Torre is doing here.
Well Ken, Damon played yesterday, plus here are the numbers vs. Cabrera:
Damon: 3/18 (.167/.250/.167)
Giambi: 1/5 (.200/.667/.200)
Considering Jason’s 7 BB’s in 12 PA’s against Cabrera, I’d go with him too, seems logical.
btw, Alex vs. Cabrera: 8/22, 2 2B, 2HR, a 1.112 OPS (although most of this came in 2004)
Farnsworth is well rested, he should be able to go two.The problem with starting Karstens,it leaves the Yankees a little short in the pen, he has to go at least 6 innings.
Good move to put a patient Betemit and Giambi in the lineup against a wild Cabrera.. I’m slowly getting tired of Damon’s weak flyballs..
After ARod, Daniel Cabrera will have plenty of work LOL (all lefties). GL Cabrera, think your ERA will raise a little bit today.
I imagine that Karstens gets sent down after tonight’s game to make room for whomever the hot hand in the pen at SWB is at the moment.
Giambi might be getting hot, Joe needs to go with the hot hand. Which would mean that Damon is done for the year since he will never heat up.
Yanks need to score early and often, this is must game. tomorrow they face Bedard the lefty strikeout leader.
Who cares if damon is happy? what’s he going to do, mail it in and hit .240? oh, wait.
cano bats eighth. i love this lineup
Who’s throw day is it today?? may be they can come in for an inning of relief..
With Chamberlain and Rivera unavailable, that leaves the following people available for relief:
Vizcaino, Brower, Villone (pitched last night, less than 20 pitches) and Farnsworth.
Besides the fact that Farnsworth sucks, what the hell are they going to do if Karstens gets knocked out in the 3rd inning?
A different lineup from the Yankees than the Orioles have seen this year. That’s a good thing.
Yankees have Villone and Viz available tonight, too, no?
Be positive.
Much to Pete`s chagrin, Phillips is not starting again, but he will enter if the game is close or as a defensive replacement in the 7th.
This is the best lineup that the Yankees have put out on the field this year, IMO. And they will need every blessed run, because Karstens is terrible.
I would love to see this lineup next year. It looks pretty darn good
Kastens is bad, Igawa ia terrible!
When will Joe start Shelly?
I am not that impressed with Brower, he looks like he`s easy to hit.
Weel, they could have used Edwar for 2 innings.
Marc, Shelly may play Rf and face Bedard on Wed
Man, whenever I see the name Betemit, at first glance it reads Vegemite. Anyone else experiencing this?
“Shelly may play Rf and face Bedard on Wed”
Bedard strikes out a lot of guys and Shelly will be a victom, that will be Joe’s line of thinking.
Btw how’s Britton doing down in Scranton?
He (3.5 era last season with baltimore) must be terrible this year since they are not calling him up.
frits
August 14th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
With Chamberlain and Rivera unavailable, that leaves the following people available for relief:
Vizcaino, Brower, Villone (pitched last night, less than 20 pitches) and Farnsworth.
Besides the fact that Farnsworth sucks, what the hell are they going to do if Karstens gets knocked out in the 3rd inning?
they are gonna rue the day they did not bring up Kennedy,,,that’s what !
Is today Mussina’s throw day? If that’s the case, the Yankees shouldn’t have too much to fear, he’s pitched in relief before.
But yes, it’s pretty cool when you have a line up where you can have Robbie Cano batting eighth.
Here’s hoping Melky gets a hit!
Good lineup.
Hopefully Karstens surprises us with a quality start.
Yanks will hit three Homers tonight.
We are going to need 8 or more runs to win this game.
Britton is doing very well at SWB.
it’s good for the team energy level that there is competition for some positions. the energy from hungry players is contagious. sitting is a new thing for damon and giambi. giambi is handling it much better. damon’s a pro. my guess is he’ll suck it up and go with the program.
all i’m thinking is what a great bench.
i like giambi hitting 7th. it takes any pressur he might be feeling off. if he gets into a groove, look out. he may be the last piece to make this offense really scary
great lineup….7 leftys VS Cabrera, and i have a feeling Karstens is gonna pitch a good game.
Anyone else upset that Igawa did not get shipped to san diego. I hope Cashman isnt putting his pride in the middle of this.
As far as today,I think Karstens is going to surprise most and pitch 3 runs in 6innings. We need to capitalize today with boston going against Kazmir and det and cle going at it.
Division champs or bust.
115
129
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176
138
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129
121
The OPS+ of our lineup today. Scary. Hopefully good enough for a win for Scooter.
I think Karstens is going to pitch his heart out tonight and surprise us all.
Yes, I’m an optimist…but it would mean so much tonight if he did.
Brittons WHIP is 1.16 his era is 2.62 w 4 L 2 56K`s in 55 innings, 49 hits .
Karstens was actually fairly solid in his limited duty with the Yankees last season. Maybe he can recapture some of that form tonight. Plus we have the patient kind of lineup that can hurt Daniel Cabrera, as we have several times in the past!
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115
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114
176
138
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The OPS+ of our lineup today. Scary. Hopefully good enough for a win for Scooter.
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I believe we had those kind of numbers going into Detroit last postseason as well.
Poping open a cold one – Ahhhhhh.
Here’s to you Phil!
Cheers – {clink, clink, clink}
We ARE family !
http://tinyurl.com/2g4m55
KAJ, good call.
thrillington-
yeah, i was calling him betamite sandwich for a week.
he’s looking good. i think the yankees may have stolen a good player from the dodgers. hopefully being a yankee will bring out his potential. it can’t hurt that cano and melky are close to his age and are dominican too. he’s got someone to hang with and they’re good role models for hard work.
Baby Bombers Bite Boston – Joba, Melky, et. al.
http://tinyurl.com/2dlkyt
Posada and Jetes, Rock-ON!!
http://tinyurl.com/27xpf5
Well “…”, that’s true, and while it doesn’t guarantee succes in a single game, or a short series, you stand a much better chance than when fielding a 90 OPS+ team.
Plus, based on Karstens’ most recent outings, we’ll need it. (Though maybe he’s due to bounce back)
in re: throw days, is it either moose or pettite?
im going to expect nothing and not be disappointed by any possible outcome.
karstens is horrible and hopefully this will be the last of him when the orioles rock him. i only hope that the yankee offense is on their game tonight and danny cabrera is his wild self.
I think Pettitte does throw two days after he starts. I know he did in that first series in Boston back in April.
frits
August 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
KAJ, good call.
hopefully we win 15-14, so it STILL shows them that they are boneheads for letting Karstens pitch…
Thumbs up to the lineup.
If Damon isn’t happy about sitting, he’ll have to play better or learn to live with it. He is the worst available option in the outfield and at DH right now.
I don’t get all the Karstens hate. In 6 starts last year he pitched to an ERA of 3.80 and a WHIP of 1.2 which is more than solid for a rookie in the AL East. He was our best pitcher in Spring Training and he was lighting it up in Scranton before he got called up, sat for an extended period, and then got thrown into an unfamiliar role.
I know he’s no longer the flavor of the week, but he’s got good breaking stuff and alot of balls. I see him giving us five and a lead. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Thrillington –
“Do you come from a land down under?”
They don’t need to use any starters in relief tonight. This is not a desperation game.
Tonight is a, “lose the battle, win the war” game. If Karstens pitches well, and they win, great. If he doesn’t, you don’t blow out the pitching staff trying to salvage the game. You just go back after it tomorrow.
The team is playing well and somebody is going to have to step up to be another reliable arm in the bullpen.
Whether its Karstens, Farnsworth, Brower or somebody else, games like tonight are opportunities for guys to show they can help the team. I’m rooting for someone to take on the challenge and do well enough to be in the mix for the rest of the season.
The beauty of having a bench is that you can rest guys and insert players who don’t hurt your lineup. They couldn’t do that earlier in the season.
Its why, contrary to Steve Phillips’ opinions, I think this team will hit well the rest of the way. They have too many options to go to when guys get cold. They didn’t exactly tear the cover off the ball last night, against a good pitcher, yet they still scored 7 runs. That’s impressive.
There will be some nights they get shut down by good pitching. It happens to every team.
But, a two or three week slump, like we saw earlier in the season? Not very likely.
randyhater, it’s not that I “hate” Karstens. I acknowledge his numbers of the past, and I think he’s a stand-up guy, trying to continue pitching while his leg was broken and all…
However, since he’s returned from the DL, his numbers have been awful, and to me, coming back from an injury, you have to at least slightly prove yourself again. I’m not asking for his career numbers right away, but something close to that would be nice. With the races we’re in right now, I’m not sure we can spend time “working a guy in” (would you like to see Farnsworth out there, being “worked in” every 2-3 games? Karstens is much better than Krazy Kyle I believe, but he isn’t showing it at the moment). But since returning, he’s shown us nothing so far. Here’s to hoping it happens today.
randyhater i agree last year he was good..
but question…have you watched jeff karstens this year?
here are the numbers for Christopher Daniel Britton at swb
IP 50
ERA 2.7
H 48
SO 54
BB 14
decent but of course Brower has similar numbers and era of 1.7 and we saw how impressive he was against major league hitters.
Steve Phillips is a bastard and his name should be anathema on this blog.
DrAcula –
What we all need to do is eat some really good cannoli!!! (I’m actually thinking of running out before the game)
Can Joba teach Farnsworth how to throw a real slider and how to locate a 98 MPH… it must be eating at Farnsworth that a 21 year old comes in throwing the same type of pitches (not exactly the same because any major leaguer can hit a straight as an arrow fastball) and is great so far while Farnsworth is a joke
I agree about Karstens. Why all the hate?
The kid has had the worst luck of anybody on the team this year.
He was lights out in the spring, pulls a hamstring, fights back, then gets his leg broken with a line drive.
He STILL tries to pitch with it (knowing the pitching was messed up at the time) which should earn the kid some respect, and people are all over him.
I hope he gets the job done tonight. Knowing he was going to start the last few days may help him in his preparation.
Its very tough for a touch and feel guy to miss 3 months and be effective. Rather than trashing him, I am rooting for him. I hope he does well tonight.
“decent but of course Brower has similar numbers and era of 1.7 and we saw how impressive he was against major league hitters.”
But Britton has proven he can get major league hitters out. Brower has shown the contrary, repeatedly.
Btw, we’re not the only team facing a difficult game today:
Boston facing Kazmir.
Detroit and Cleveland beating up on each other.
Minnesota (Garza, 1-3, 1.70) vs. Seattle (Ramirez, 7-3, 7.12) (wins to evaluate a pitcher’s effectiveness, anyone?)
Dr. Acula hahaha! You know how to liven up this place sometimes.
I hope if Krazy Kyle(as Pete calls him) is needed only if we have a 10 run lead in the 9th inning with two out.
I’m also rooting for Karstens. Wouldn’t it be great for him to have an effective, not even great, outing? Think of the confidence boost he could get and then actually be a positive force on the team going forward. I think he’s a gutty kid and deserves support. I’m not blind to how ineffective he’s been out of the pen so far, but I’d rather think he’s going to step up tonight.
Bry Guy, funny, I was wondering the same thing earlier today: What is going through Kyle’s mind when he sees Joba pitch the 8th (he’ll have more 1-2-3 innings than Kyle in a week or so).
I don’t own this company. I don’t know anything about…but hell, I’m Giuseppe f****** Franco and I’ll be damned if I’m putting my name on the line for something that doesn’t work!
SJ44, everything on this blog is contrary to Steve Phillips’ opinions
Wow, that ONE INNING IN THE LAST FOUR DAYS sure took alot out of Chamberlain huh? These rules for him are a joke and hurting the Yankees bullpen. Why you ask? Cuz now the pen is short two men (Karstens and Chamberlain). That’s right folks the Yanks bullpen tonight is Vizcaino, Brower, Farnsworth, and Villone, so you better hope Karstens gives 7 IP cuz outside of Vizcaino who will have to close, this game has disaster written all over it with the other three.
If the line is Karstens 7 IP, Vizcaino 2 IP, you can thank these “Joba rules” for hurting the pen tomorrow night, too, cuz Vizcaino wouldn’t be available then after pitching 2 innings tonight.
Oh wait what if Joba has to give 2 IP Thursday? That means the pen is short the first half of the series vs. Detroit (no Joba Fri. & Sat.) What if Vizcaino or someone else not Farnsworth gets hurt? What then?
What if Joba finally gets his head handed to him tomorrow?
The Yanks get exactly ONE quality inning out of him through Thursday (off Sat. & Sun., inning Mon., off today/ Tues., bad inning Wed., off Thurs.) Yeah, that one good inning Mon. night was sure worth 6 days without him or without him being good.
The Yanks are willing to weaken their bullpen thus risk sacrificing momentum so some kid can get rest he doesn’t need. Great way to go into tonight’s game. ‘Better score another 6 or more runs, Yankee offense.
Doreen- don’t forget the lasagna with the *16* layers! – Holy Cow!
T.J. – thank you, TJ. You’re one my favs, too
I meant what if Joba has to pitch 2 innings Wed? The Yanks pen is short Thurs. & Fri. I’d understand he doesn’t pitch on Thurs. of course, but if needed on Fri., he has to pitch. You can’t use Mo 3-4 straight games over the years then tell me some kid who’s done nothing compared to him needs 2 days rest after 2 IP which might not even bee taxing.
Joba isn’t “some kid”.
Jesus, Joba Rules, take it easy…
Why do I have a nagging suspicion that Joba Rules may be [[cue organ music]] Krazy Kyle, posting from the Yankees clubhouse!!!
“Rest he doesn’t need”? They’re being careful with Joba’s arm, and I can’t say I blame them. I would love to have an uninjured Joba starting for the Yanks every 5 days. The guy has been starting his entire career, and now you want him to throw back-to-back days, just like that?
Joba Rules:
It’s a case of long term well being versus short term gain. Joba is only 21 years old and a potential starter next year.
He’s the best prospect the Yankees have had, probably since the likes of Jeter, Rivera, Posada and co.
The rules kind of suck right now, but I’d rather have them suck right now than he get injured and ruin his career.
Joba’s too important to the team to take any risks with his health.
and ANOTHER thing….
I think the rules were put in place to prevent Torre from overtaxing him, in addition to the above post.
Try decaf and do a little research of how many young pitchers have blown out their arms pitching too much, too soon, at the ML level.
This is the first time in his life he is coming out of the bullpen. His entire preparation is different. Its not just about number of pitches.
Relax, they are doing the right thing with him.
Panic aside, tonight is not Game 7 of the World Series. Its just another game on the schedule.
Tonight will be a good indication of how the Yankees respond to pressure…IMO, the Yankees KNOW that Karstens is gonna need a bunch of run support ALL NIGHT….Let’s see some results, team ! GO FIGHT WIN !!!
That does bring up a good point. How deep into the playoffs before the Joba Rules get relaxed or removed?
Torre overusing a bullpen pitcher ? Nahhhhh…ya think ?
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Why do I have a nagging suspicion that Joba Rules may be [[cue organ music]] Krazy Kyle, posting from the Yankees clubhouse!!!
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but Krazy doesn’t know how to read and write!
Matt
August 14th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
maybe Karstens can actually post decent numbers tonight.
Matt, maybe YOU can, too….Get yourself a uniform and take the mound ! LOL !
KAJ: there would be a first time for everything ;o)
ignorance may be bliss, but it’s sure annoying to have to read it over and over.
i wonder if this Joba Rules is serious or just the start of the trolls for tonight?
During the Playoffs, if we get there…There will be one more pitcherin the bullpen, either Hughes or Mussina, or whoever is the least hottest. Who knows, Wang might end up int he bullpen at this point. When the playoffs come, our bullpen will be good, must i remind people of Graeme Lloyd and the 96 playoffs?
I have a feeling that seattle ship will go down tonight. So let’s win this game Yanks!
as a matter of fact, the afforementioned “joba rules” need to be recorded and given to joe torre to listen to while he sleeps. This is a once a generation type arm, and he is ours. Do you want joe torre to “proctorize” joba? i certainly dont
Dr. Acula –
No, no, that has to wait for Sunday dinner!
To proctorize Joba, that’d be the same as Sturtzeing him, right?
(this reminds me of the Calvin & Hobbes cartoon where they decide that “verbing” words spices things up)
Joba Rules –
Two Words: “Kerry Wood”
Or, going with Wouter’s Calvin & Hobbes reference (GREAT cartoon BTW) the Joba Rules are there to avoid Woodzinating him.
But ‘Proctorize’ sounds better
In the spirit of remembering Scooter, remember this one Yankee fans?:
http://gawker.com/news/holy-co.....oplay=true
Kerry Wood is a more appropriate comparison. Proctor and Sturtze were goons. Though ‘Proctorize’ sounds like a painful medical procedure so I’ll run with it.
Im rooting hard for Kartsen tonite. I think maybe the guy hasnt shaken the rust out after getting drilled in his freaking leg. Lets see if he can give us a quality start. The Guy has some hugh cojones.
“He STILL tries to pitch with it (knowing the pitching was messed up at the time) which should earn the kid some respect, and people are all over him.”
I was just going to post this to remind everyone what this gutty gritty yank tried to accomplish. He faced Youkilis with a broken leg! How is that for determination? Pavano could learn something from him.
I for one will be rooting very hard for Karstens tonight and would genuinely love to see him develop into a respectable pitcher. He has shown us flashes of excellence.
BJ
Anyone just see Yogi on the pre-game (batting practice show)? It was really moving, how much he’s going to miss his friend and teammate. I can’t stop tearing up today.
What a set-up here at the stadium. Looks like a first class tribute – well deserved – for the Scooter in the making. And they’re playing great highlights on the scoreboard – including excerpts from his HOF speech. God Bless this wonderful game they call baseball!
What a terrible day to be living in the DC / Baltimore area. Instead of getting the YES feed and getting to watch the tribute at the beginning of the telecast, I’ll be forced to listen to the O’s announcer talk about how great Corey Patterson is.
Tonight’s going to be some game.
It’s just one of those things. You can feel it.
For Karstens, this is the biggest game of his short career. If he pitches 6 quality innings he’s done his job. He should get run support with Daniel Cabrera on the hill for Baltimore. The guy has control problems and leads the team in walks. Need a lot of baserunners and the bombs to bring them around.
Boston has their hands full with Kazmir going for the D-Rays. Go get ‘em ….
If anyone has or knows of where I can download some Scooter audio preferably in mp3 format, I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance.
BJ
I think Karstens is a great guy, like everyone else says. His tendency to give up a lot of fly balls is seriously scary though.
So, can anyone tell me why they’re even scheduling Minky to come back on Sept 1?
In who’s place? C’mon, really?
Thank you for that Yogi audio, Pete. That was lovely.
Live color guard for national anthem looks like. Haven’t seen that here during the regular season for a while.
Sept 1st rosters expand, so no one need be taken off the roster for Minky.
Thanks Jeff….heart attack avoided.
“UPDATE, 6:16 p.m.: Torre mentioned that Robbie Cano will probably get tomorrow off and Wilson Betemit will play second base. … Doug Mientkiewicz is taking BP in Tampa but is unlikely to be back before Sept. 1.”
Doug Mienkiewicz shouldn’t come back, he’d be a waste of a roster spto on this current team.
Oh right, Sept rosters…doh.
The Jeter quote and Yogi audio made me tear.
Great Yogi audio, Pete. Thank you so much.
Lori-
tell us more.
and whatcha ya using: Blackberry, CellPhone ??
Rebecca, I’ve been going between tears and out-and-out laughter all day!
Daniel Cabrera vs. Tampa Bay on July 24:
IP H R ER HR BB K
7. 1 0 00 00 5. 3
Hey Dr. A- I’m on my blackberry. Not much else to report just yet. Just all the pre-game sponsor awards. They’ve painted the number 10 on each baseline. I’ll report more when they really get started. (Btw Pete, you need an easier way to get to the end of the comments by mobile device!)
Here’s Phil with Jetes
http://tinyurl.com/2rxm4v
Thanks Lori.
So where ya sittin ?
My computer’s making so much noise, I feel like I’m intruding on everything and I’m watching this on tv!
GUYS WHAT TIME IS IT!!!
Wow, seeing tears in Jeter’s and Mattingly’s eyes…wow.
hahaha 4 male voices in my house…. he didnt list himself.. michael are you trying to tell us something? hahaha
Anyone want to call that Jeter will lay one down in honor of Scooter tonight?
We’re upper deck, tier box right behind home plate. Great for calling balls and strikes!
Real subdued and heart felt tribute. Shepard said all the right things. Rebecca probably had the better view of the player reactions though!
Now, let’s pay Scooter the ultimate tribute and win this game!
Rob–you know it.
GAME TIME !!!!!!!!
thats painful watching torre cry… im 18 and was born and raised in boston so i really dont know anything about him. but he sounds like he was quite a guy
No need to bash Kay for his heartfelt comments about the Scooter.
thank you kaj… i sense tradition
I grew up listening to Rizzuto. There will never… ever… be another broadcaster quite like him. He was never full of himself. He always brought a smile to my face. I used to do an impression of him when I was younger.
I lost a little piece of my childhood today.
Tonight’s in-joke: A little thing I like to call: Attack Force Delta.
Blazing heaters right there. Mussina would be proud.
i feel guilty about rooting against lester. my want for a success story or my love of the yankees… its tearing me apart
Nice of the Bleacher Creatures to include The Scooter in the roll call.
The Bleacher Creatures include Phil Rizzuto in their Roll Call. Love it. Yankees fans are the best.
haha, Sheffield struck out swinging against cc.
how old is bruce?
So, the bullpen consists of Vizcaino, Villone, Farnz, and Brower? Holy hell…
Lori-
thanks for being a trooper and reporting in live.
We really appreciate it.
If I hit my SAP button, will I hear Michael Kay in spanish? I’m not sure if I can handle that.
lets hope for a good outing from karstens…if not bring,moose and vizcaino and lets pray…that the bats remain hot.
god bless the scooter.Go Yankees
lori is our kim jones for the night.
I want to design technology that allows me to pick and choose my own Yankee broadcast team. Sterling and O’Neil? Singleton and Sterling?
I think if I developed this technology, Kay and Waldman would be used to extract information for Al Qaeda combatants.
seems to be keeping the ball down…
MARKAKIS
this might be a dumb question but why didnt the contest the suspension then drop it after he pitched tonight then next time its his turn switch his turn and the guy after him?
Sterling??? I guess you don’t like to know what is going on down on the field if you choose him.
Boston Yankee: No. Lori >>>>>> Kim Jones!
LOL Matty
matty: vin scully and richard pryor
or no no no shelley duncan and melky! OH DEAR GOD IT IS GENIUS!
Wow, nice play.
Holy crap, a scoreless inning!
Where was Abreu on that one?
…Where, exactly did Cano come from on that play?
shelley would grunt and melky would do his best to speak english
Richard Pryor and Sterling, re-enacting the old Saturday Night Live “Word Association” bit.
We have CGI to re-animate actors long dead. What about CGA – Computer Generated Audio – and bring back Scooter?
One guy I’m going to miss when he’s gone is Shepard. Amazing voice.
…interesting choice of music
Pena almost hit a 2 run HR off Lester in the top of the 1st at Boston…..keep it up Devil Rays !!!
Sterling, as much of a blowhard he is, has a certain charm that I enjoy to listen to. I can’t explain it. Even with his hack home run calls, I just like listening to baseball on the radio.
Dunno what that music was, but the video was night.
C’mon Leche, let’s have 19!
matty: why not just have pryor and gene?
Is it true that Jeter has requested that Shepard will be the only one to introduce him, even after he retires?
Pete’s right. Jeter’s sense of history rules.
ron: amen
Matty: Jeter has said that’s what he’d like, yes.
I like listening to Sterling as well. Susan sounds like she holds her nose when she is talking.
Pryor and Waldman.
“*****, shut up!”
Nice video tribute to Scooter between innings. As someone who grew up with Rizzuto as THE Yankee announcer, it was great to him – if just for a little bit – as a player. Brings tears to my eyes.
I mean I wish he knew how to call a homerun, or would give the listener a bit more info, but he’s got a good voice.
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Not quite there on the tribute site…
Sterling and Charley Steiner were the best Yankees booth in my years of listening to them during the Sterling era.
It’s a damn shame that they allegedly couldn’t stand each other.
One of my favorite moments was hearing them scream “The Yankees Win!” in unison after the Boone HR.
It’s amazing that Kay can hint at understanding the importance of range yet is blind, dumb, and deaf when it comes to Jeter.
Matty: I remember that! So one of my favorite moments ever!
And what the heck with the strike call 20 minutes after the pitch?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JKcp7H7J2YY
i had to look it up thats great
IMO…3-0…knowing the pitch is coming down the pike with the best HR in baseball….Green light…just IMHO…
Hi, Sidney, I’m the new pool boy!
+1 to whoever gets the reference.
***BREAKING:
Phil Rizzuto actually did not die.
He just left early to beat the traffic.
( HR Hitter, of course )
kaj what is this imo… imho thing?
What happened with the Boston game? I thought it was 2 0 Tampa?
Michael Kay again seeming pleased that the other team’s pitcher got out of a jam…he is such a complete @$$ !
rebecca. i think youre referring to KAJ who said TB ALMOST got a homer
IMO….In My Opinion
IMHO…In My Humble Opinion
( just showing that I have almost completely evolved into the Computer Geek that I used to make fun of in High School )
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!!! kay does seem happy whenever the yanks do poorly
Charlie and John were hilarious, I wish they were still togeather. They both had similar voices…I thought for awhile that it was just John in the booth and he pretended to be Charlie.
Lowell just struck out with 2 men on in the bottom of the first…. 0-0 in Boston after 1….
Boston Yankee: Ah, thanks. The Cleveland-Detroit game is 2-0 and I must have confused it with Boston-Tampa on the ESPN scores page.
nah not geeky i got it ive just never seen that before.
What are we hoping for in the DET-CLE game anyway? Localized earthquake?
bah. Could use a DP here…
Not getting anything up in the zone. Walking Kevin Millar is really bad. And Karstens doesn’t get grounders.
: ) np rebecca. obviously i live in boston so im in a room with my dad with nesn on and im watching yes on my computer. any needs for scores i got you guys
Karstens’s not getting any of the close calls here
uh oh.
oyyy Karstens.
i really hope we never ever see jeff karstens again in a yankees uniform. I really do not get the fascination with him
it is NOT good, when our worst starting pitcher, if you can call him that, is getting squeezed,,,then we need the bats to WAKE UP !
well, we got one scoreless inning out of this turkey
At least K didn’t walk him.
a rod cant leave he just cant
A-rod, cool
come on bay bay
A-Rod making 2 nice plays ! ( IMHO…. LOL ! )
almost 3….oh-well…we know we need big offense tonight…
if he can get out of this jam ill be impressed
Good play by A Rod even if a run did score.
this is brutal. why not let farnsworth pitch tonight until his arm falls off
1-0 O’s. Damn
Karstens just can’t ever get that last out. Almost completely got out of it.
im not impressed
So it’s just one run.
On one hit.
Such a terrible outing for Karstens, isn’t it?
here come “Da Yankees !”
IMO… im not impressed
A-Rod will finish his career w/Yanks! Guaranteed
rebecca! SPITTING HOT FIRE
u aint seen nothing yet rebecca…u think karstens is done giving up runs? think again!
4.50 ERA is pretty damn good for the Fly Ball Machine.
I’m with ramar. Joe’s always wanted to kill a pitcher and send his arm flying into the stands. He tried with Proctor, Karsay, Gordon, and Sturtze. He could succeed in just one game tonight.
Can anybody say 200 pitches? Who cares if they are only going 40 feet?
But if we sent Karstens down to bring up an SP with any chance of a decent start then we would lose Karstens for 10 days in his stellar job as mop-up guy.
We want Igawa back, at least the guy can give you a bunch of K’s and is left handed.
Little League pitchers should turn this game off now.
Karstens doesn’t mop anything up. He just dumps more crap on the floor.
What we can hope for is getting Cabrera to throw a boat load of pitches, and having them go to the BP early. They only got 4.5 innings out of their SP yesterday, so maybe that’ll catch up with them. I hope
Between Karstens and Kei, I will take whatever is behind door number three. Which reminds me, in a similar situation back in the “good ol’ days” Mike Stanton stepped up with a great 5-inning spot start in a big game. It may have even been against the Sox. Anyone else remeber that? It was a day game.
K actually had xcellant # in the minors. He should be able to succeed in the bigs (HOPE ).
Hey, Robby, how about letting him walk you? I know he’s your friend, but sheesh.
I like it alot better when we score in the 1st inning.
…That totally wasn’t the inning the Yankees needed.
that is flippin BS…Karstens does NOT get that SAME call, but their pitcher gets it….Home Plate Umpire needs to get clipped in the nuts with a foul tip and replaced !
ramar, Karstens is a bad middle reliever at best. No stuff, unremarkable command, flyball tendencies…there’s basically nothing to like. He’s a ticking time bomb.
This Cabrera kid’s got it going tonight. One run for them might be enough.
( yes…both HE and his nuts need to be replaced )
Karstens will be sent down after the game, Edwar will be called back up. Why keep a long reliever on the team if he can’t be used again until Sunday?
clipping of the nuts would be welcome in this situation
Runge comes from the McClelland school. Call pitches late and badly.
MLB umpires are terribly inconsistent. And some (cough) Gerry Davis (cough) are just bad at their jobs.
. = another stupid Boston Troll…I swear, tonight of all nights…I guess once and @$$hole, always an @$$hole…what can I say ?
.:
He’s already walked two. Just wait. He’ll implode in the 5th.
Thanks for helping, Corey. You still suck.
23 strikes/22 balls…Yikes
Always good to retire Patterson. Let him get on and he’ll run all over the place.
raise your hand if you dont love yogi… anybody? thats what i thought
Yogi ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed…he’s the one with the interesting pattern of rust on the blades.
Way too many pitches. Who’s the mop up guy tonight?
my friend went to the doctor today, he said the smell was markarkis
Meanwhile at Fenway…
Kazmir with 2 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, and 4 Ks.
But with 45 pitches through 2, he will leave gassed after giving up 2 runs in the 5th and they’ll end up losing 8-4 (or something like that).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaTYe_YYSlg
I forgot about this commercial
just remember,,,this is a one shot deal…Karstens won’t start again….this is a one shot deal….then go drink 6 bears and call me in the morning….
Tampa Bay really, REALLY sucks at baseball. It’s absurd that Boston gets to play them so much in the second half. I’m okay with the unbalanced schedule, but that’s just stupid.
I feel like Karstens gets rattled any time there’s a walk or hit. He needs to settle into some sort of rhythm here. We need some innings
kd– Probably Farnsie.
ron: yogi dont rust
Michael T
August 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Meanwhile at Fenway…
Kazmir with 2 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, and 4 Ks.
But with 45 pitches through 2, he will leave gassed after giving up 2 runs in the 5th and they’ll end up losing 8-4 (or something like that).
WRONG ( buzzer sound here ) try again !
With Kazmir and Kennedy going we had a chance to cut it to 3 games. Too late now.
Sure he does. He still works, though.
Karstens is the cross we bear for the Clemens retaliation.
I was cheering then, and would do it all over agin given how meekly the Yankees pitchers have protected their mates in the past.
It’s not strategic, Kenny. He can’t throw strikes.
kAAAArstens is a BB machine.
i’ve seen enough who’s next? he just dosen’t have enough stuff to get MLB’S out
Bring back Darrell Rasner!
I was born after thurmon munson died i think so my opinion is kind of messed up but this tampa catcher looks like munson with the chops
I haven’t been paying to much attention to the game. but is jeff missing or is the zone terrible?
Karstens is taking one for the team today, he’ll pitch at least 6 even if he gives up 8 runs.
hes just awful
Farns for 6?
OK…bring in Edwar !…FUDGE…he’s not here….can you say ” we are in deep doo-doo ? )
If Torre pulls Karstens, I’ll be seriously pissed. This is a give-away-game. We can’t really afford it, but let’s face it, Jeff Karstens is pitching. We aren’t winning this game.
he’ll be in SCWB before midnight
WOW.
Jennifer,
He’s been terrible. Lives on the corners and isn’t hitting them today.
Yea, umm.
is it tomorrow yet?
dontfirecash
August 14th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Farns for 6?
bring on Farns !
Maybe they’ll bunt again.
watching this awful game, i wonder…was it worth it for clemens to hit that guy…
wow.
Unless Karstens plans to throw about 140 pitches I don’t really see him making it 6. Maybe we should just have Melky come in for relief. He’s got a cannon
tommorow is Bedard..thanks jeff
I apologize, K does STINK!
Okay so how long do you let him pitch? Who do we have in the pen to take over? Or do you let him take one for the team?
TIMBERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
thats it bring in farnsworth it cant get worse. and no seriously IT CANT. BRING IN KYLEEEEEEEEEE
Melky could throw stikes from second base. Put him in there.
Anthony: Or Shelley. Shelley would pitch a perfect game, probably…
DFA’d as soon as he’s pulled in the 6th.
I’ve got an excedrin headache #K
Ok now what we all suspected has come true. I can’t believe there was any hesitation of bringing up Ian Kennedy and letting him start instead of Karstens…
I’ve seen enough of Karstens.
Better hope Hughes has his good command tommorow. He’ll need to go long.
Torre cannot seriously be considering pulling Karstens in the third.
We have a FOUR MAN BULLPEN.
Aw man. I was jsut thinking 1 run in 3 innings for Eyebrows wasn’t so bad.
Hmm well who could have predicted this outcome by Karstens!?
ok…I can’t resist…TOTAL BONEHEAD MOVE LETTING THIS BUM START THIS GAME….YOU JUST GIVE THE GAME AWAY AND burn your supposed long reliever for the next few days…the ONLY way I am not seriously pissed, is if Boston loses and tomorrow both Karstens AND FarnsStink both get permanently sent down to IGAWA LAND and we NEVER see those 3 again !
Woq, starting Karstens in the middle of a heated division race was just a great freakin’ idea.
I hope Roger Clemens is real proud of himself.
nate
August 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
watching this awful game, i wonder…was it worth it for clemens to hit that guy…
NO,…it was NOT !
You know, we all knew that Karstens sucked? Why not find out if Steven White has a future?
I’m glad Roger drilled Rios. I just wish he had appealed the suspension and the Yanks could have slightly adjusted the rotation and he would have never missed a start.
Geez calm down people!!! Take a chill pill! This team has played something like .750 baseball since the all star break.
Okay, let’s put up a 10 spot!
I guess we shouldn’t be worried. The Yanks braintrust seen this coming and decided to give this game away anyway. Clemens could have appealed and started today. They must have a plan, right?
Listen to these announcers. We need only 7 runs. It’s alot harder if you’re down by 5.
Meanwhile back at the ranch…Kazmir sailing along in Boston, pitching a shut out…. uh…but score is knotted up at Goose Eggs… 0-0 in the bottom of the 3rd, with 2 outs and nobody on…
keep karstens in you made your bed… sleep in it. i dont understand how you can give away a game. i think its dumb that some of you guys jump on him most of the time for little things but this time this was dumb
Remind me again why karstens deserved the benefit of the doubt today. he’s another nibbler with mediocre stuff. can’t stand him, never could. at least beating bedard tomorrow will be easy.
Clemen’s should have appealed so he could start this game, then dropped his appeal immediately after the game and never missed a start.
Bad part about this loss is that Bedard is pitching tomorrow for Baltimore and all the responsibility falls on Hughes.
Jennifer,
We realize we have been playing great baseball, but the fact is we dont need to give games away like this. We all new starting Karstens was going to be trouble.
Relax, KAJ, its a giveaway game.
They weren’t going to start Kennedy’s clock, and waive somebody, to call him up for one start. Its not how it works.
They aren’t going undefeated the rest of the year.
You root for Karstens to do well but, if you can’t throw the ball over the plate, he won’t be around much longer.
Proctor, Myers, Igawa and Bruney are all gone because they can’t throw strikes. Jeff will be next.
Now, he just has to suck it up and eat some innings. He can’t just give them 3 or 4 innings and kill the bullpen for the next 3 days.
Man up and take one for the team Jeff.
I agree with dontfirecash. Clemens did a good thing. A protect your teammates thing.
People, relax, there is alot of baseball to be played…
here come ‘da bats…..here come ‘da bats…!!!
Everyone needs to calm down. Go watch Phil’s speech, I am laughing so hard I have tears coming out of my eyes.
We still have a chance, especially with Daniel Cabrera’s history of wildness.
hahaha double by manny. ortiz makes it to third then the third basemen throws it to second and gets manny out.. HAHAHAHA HAHAHAH guys this night isnt over
Only Chasing 5, fans…Chasing 5 this early in the game is CAKE, baby…CAKE !!!
You guys are crazy. Clemens beaning Rios definitely needed to happen. I’m tired of seeing teams throw at our hitters because they know we’ll never retaliate. This one lies on the organization. Ian Kennedy should’ve been called up to start. Starting Karstens takes away our long reliever for a bit and burns our bullpen. One thing that I’m annoyed with is how the team doesn’t recognize that with certain guys, they’ve caught lightning in a bottle. Small was kept around longer then he should’ve been and so was Chacon. Now Karstens is in the bullpen while Ramirez and Britton sit in the minors dominating.
I can’t believe people are saying this is a giveaway game. DO you realize Eric Bedard is pitching tommorow?
Everyone just calm down. The Os are gonna need more than 5 runs to beat us tonight. We have ten straight home games of 7 runs or more. Its gonna be a slugfest for sure, and I like our chances. They don’t exactly have Nolan Ryan on the mound either.
BJ
our offense should be eating this 5+ era guy up.
I have a gut feeling that we will score atleast 2 runs, may be 3 or 4 this inning.
Clemens was going to lose the appeal. I’d rather have him pitch against the Tigers than against the Orioles.
Its one game. Let’s not make a big deal out of it.
This is why Karstens is on the roster, to take spot starts and pitch in long relief. Bringing Kennedy to the majors would require a move on the 40-man and 25-man rosters. If Karstens was optioned, he would have spend 10 days in the minors. Who’s the long reliever then?
You want this crap to pitch long relief? He’s on the next train to Scranton.
Manny being Manny… LOL !
that is ridiculous in the major leagues they are so lazy… watch it into your glove
Quick Tope Ten list of chinless, witless, stuffless non-prospects and retreads that have started games for the Yanks, or otherwise pitched in meainingful spots in the past 3 years. (Who I hope to never see darken our doors again).
10. Alex Graman
9. Darrel May
8. Chase Wright
7. Matt DeSalvo
6. Colter Bean
5. Tim Redding
4. Kris Wilson
3. T. J. Beam
2. Tyler Clippard (i kno he had that one lucky win against the Mutts but still).
# 1 with a bullet… Jeff Karstens
Fielders choices suck
Remember when Pete posted a few days ago about how Alex’s “Ha” in Toronto wasn’t a great move and it would cost the Yanks in the long run?
Remember how most of you got on Pete for that post, how he was out of line and what not?
Anyone going to man (or woman) up and apologize to Pete, seeing as he is right?
Sofa Scouts.
Why is Baltimore no hitting us through 2.2? I have a feeling once we get a hit, all hell breaks loose, but we can’t wait all night…
Sorry for being ignorant–can someone explain to me the process which would have had to take place for Kennedy to be sent up to pitch? I was under the impression it would be a normal call up but i think i’m wrong …
um no david… youre the sofa scout considering i didnt say anything
David:
That the worst friggin’ logic I’ve ever heard, and I hear too much of Joe Morgan.
Are you saying Pete is clarivoyant and forsaw Clemens plunking Rios.
Go ahead and defend him, but you might be best served saying something reasonable.Jeeze.
SJ44,
Agreed, Clemens was going to lose the appeal. But the appeal process takes awhile sometimes. If he appealed and pitched Monday (instead of Wang) and then Saturday, with the off day he could have not missed a start and just been flipped with Wang. Was it taking a chance? Yes. But I think it was worth it for the possibility of having Clemens not lose a start.
I expect bullpen reinforcements tomorrow in either Brittin, Ramirez or both.
For the Yankee “Braintrust” to give away this game with Bedard looming tomorrow is unforgivable. Keenedy was on rest and would certainly be better than this guy who is scared of his own shadow. Pete said that the decision to pitch this guy (can’t bring myself to say his name) made sense because “that’s why he is there”. That reminded me of what Torre said about Weaver when he brought him in during the 2003 series (“If I don’t bring him in there why is he on the roster?”). He shouldn’t have been on the roster, and this guy should not be pitching. Torre acted then like the series was in the bag; he acts now like he has a lead in the division.
I think after today, a couple of roster moves become apparent. BTW, I agree that calling up Ian Kennedy for this one start, and messing with his arbitration eligibility, was not worth it. . .but Jeff Karstens can’t possibly pitch this poorly and merit a spot on the postseason roster. 74 pitches in 3 innings, just over half for strikes, and 4 walks issued. . .yikes.
In short:
1) Send Karstens down for Edwar Ramirez, give the guy a second stint and see how he does.
2) Send Brower down (he’s not a candidate for the postseason roster, that’s clear) and call up Britton. Or maybe Sean Henn or Brian Bruney, but you have to at least give Britton some shot at proving himself before the playoffs.
Again, I’m not calling out Torre or anything for starting Karstens, but this performance has to seal his spot back at SWB.
julian: you are wrong. but i dont know either lol
If Clemens didn’t drill Rios we would have all complained that nobody was protecting A-rod. I’m glad he did it. Roger and the Yanks should have appealed, had him made his next start and then manuevered the rotation so that he served the suspension and didn’t miss a start(as i recall somebody pointed out exactly how this was possible with days off and what not)
Kennedy would have had to been moved to the 40-man roster. There is currently no room on it so that means the Yankees would’ve had to make room by releasing or DFAing someone. Apparently guys like Chris Basak, TJ Beam, and Kevin Reese are not worth calling up Kennedy. And don’t give me this ‘oh they don’t want to start his clock early’ crap. Bedard is pitching tomorrow, we’re 4 back of Boston, we need to win games. Kennedy might be with the big club next year anyway.
SJ44
August 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Relax, KAJ, its a giveaway game.
Tell the players that…Hey team, this is a giveaway game,,,the pitcher we are giving you SUCKS…If you can’t put up 10 runs, then don’t bother, cuz we are GIVING THIS GAME AWAY ! Silly, totally silly.. Tell me why it is OK to be without Clemens for 11 days, when he could have worked the system and appealed, and just dropped the appeal when the 5 games would not result in him missing a start ?…you KNOW they could have done that, right ? Would you REALLY rather have Karstens pitching tonight than Clemens ? Where is the rationale for the Yankees letting one of their BEST Pitchers hit a batter, KNOWING he was going to get tossed…when they easily could have waited until Clemens was gassed, then told KYLE to do it…THEN, the team doesn’t even have the brains to do what almost ALL teams do when then don’t want a starting pitcher to miss a start ? Tell me the logic, please !
Kennedy isn’t on the 40 man roster. In order to bring him up, someone would have to be DFA’d. And they don’t want to do that at this point in the year for one measly start.
IT’S ONLY ONE GAME.
And who’s to say that if Kennedy gets the start tonight he doesn’t get rocked, or worse, hurt?
There’s a reason we sit at home and post on a blog while smarter people than us are paid to run the team.
Sofa Scouts.
Who cares who is pitching tomorrow.
Now, the Yankees have to worry about who is pitching tomorrow? Did you ever stop to think that the Yankees are a tough test for Eric Bedard tomorrow.
Kennedy pitched his worst game of the year last night in AAA. Folks act as if he was a sure thing if he got the start tonight.
There are no sure things in baseball.
If the Yankees can beat Pedro in his prime, I am not ready to start conceding games to Eric Bedard.
Julian,
Kennedy is not on the Yankees 40 man roster. He would have to be added, and someone would have to be taken off. Then he would have to be called up, and someone from the big club sent down.
This would also start his arbitration clock which isn’t a good thing given Hughes and Joba started this year and the cost for them will go up at the same time.
“Relax, KAJ, its a giveaway game.
They weren’t going to start Kennedy’s clock, and waive somebody, to call him up for one start. Its not how it works.
They aren’t going undefeated the rest of the year”
There is no such thing as a ‘giveaway game’. We are in the playoff hunt with several teams breathing down our neck. Further, you don’t think the Yanks want this more than any other game given what happened to the organization today?
They aren’t conceding anything, and I think that is a terrible way of looking at any game regardless of how successful we have been.
Pitching Karstens isn’t tantamount to surrender, it was simply the best option given tough circumstances.
I agree on not calling Kennedy up, and it’s a real shame Karstens couldn’t hold it together, but calling any game ‘throwaway’ borders on being a baseball felony.
BJ
And now Brower is in. Torre is an idiot. Hughes is going to have to throw a shutout tommorow.
putting clippard at #2 on that list is ridiculous. he is 22 and was/is considered a solid (not great) prospect. the rest of those guys were bums and or retreads.
I don’t think anyone is conceding the game tommorow. However, it is not going to be an easy win with a dominant lefty on the hill.
@Michael T: That’s a pretty mean thing to say. Karstens is a prospect who just never panned out. That doesn’t make him a “chinless, witless, stuffless non-prospect.” Yikes.
in my opinion this is a bad move having yogi up there
I don’t think anybody “let” Clemens plunk Rios. He did what he thought he had to do , which was the right thing. Should they let the Jays/Sox/everone else keep beaning our guys until Jeter or Arod are out for the year with a broken hand?
Well, the good news is that Tampa’s one up on Boston…
The process is not complicated. Cut Reese and put Kennedy on the roster. They act like it is brain surgery when it is nothing more than a couple of pen strokes. The lack of urgency by Torre and Cashman drives me insane. While Edwar and Britton languish on the vine. Edwar pitched 2 innings last night and struck out 5. Think this guy could do that.
Tampa up now… 1-0 over the BoSux…
Ron August 14th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
And now Brower is in. Torre is an idiot. Hughes is going to have to throw a shutout tommorow.
Torre is an idiot? youre an idiot get out of here. how can anyone say that torre who has won more than a thousand games and enough championships that you need two hands is an idiot. wow
Yeah Yogi is clearly upset. Every interview he keeps saying I hope they tell us when the funeral is. Someone from the Yankees needs to go to him and tell him not to worry about it that they will make sure he gets there. He isn’t right at all today.
Karstens is an organizational pitcher. To say he was a prospect is to give him too much credit.
I hate Jim Brower. I hate Joe Torre.
dude this is sick..does the pitcher even know there is a runner on base ? DANG !
MELKY !
Neil B: as much as I’m not as anti-Karstens as everyone else, I have to agree–he is pretty chin-less.
the yankees have gone almost 20 games over 500 since the HA move
Might as well let Roberts just walk on home
Leche!
maybe the lone bright spot tonight…
Am I wrong, or right. Brower has been killed every time out. Why is he on a major league Roster?
can joe and cashman now see that brower is awful? he paid no attention to the runner and nearly just gave up a bomb. and he hasnt looked good up to this point either.
Brower is on effin mars.
i can’t watch the game, i’m in CA. . .did melks just rob patterson of a HR?
how can you guys say its “one game” are you kidding me?
Boston Yankee – LOL
Boston Yankee (fire Michael Kay and Jon Sterling) August 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
in my opinion this is a bad move having yogi up there
Ok, everyone’s gotta let the Kennedy thing go. He’s not here. they can’t bring him up for the next 5 innings. Let it go.
no neil but it was atleast a double.
1-0 tampa
Andrea
August 14th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Neil B: as much as I’m not as anti-Karstens as everyone else, I have to agree—he is pretty chin-less
I am laughing so hard right now, it hurts !!!
One game could be the freakin difference between the playoffs and sitting on their butts in october.
is there any sane reason that joe and i guess cashman too have more confidence in a mid 30′s journeyman who has never been good and still isnt good rather than edwar who had a great minor league season and actually had good major league outings.
um david… youre a clown. Im saying its a bad idea having yogi up there cause hes obviously heartbroken and doesnt sound like he wants to talk so. HA HA HA HA DAVID LOL LOL LOL
Kennedy’s worse start was 5 shutout innings followed by a bad inning. Arbitration clock? Save Kevin Reese? Pleeeeeease. We have no margin of error here. Giveaway game? What the hell is that?
Neil B.
You are right, poor attempt at humor. I forgot this was an empathetic board. But I will stand by the non-prospect and retread characterization. A 19th round, 21 year old draft pick out of college with a mediocre minol league resume through age 25 hardly qualifies as a prospect.
Let’s face it guys, Melky is the bright spot in EVERY game!
BY: We don’t really have a choice. The outcome wasn’t in doubt from the moment Karstens took the hill. Torre is an arrogant ass, and its his fault that Karstens and Brower are on this team. I refuse to believe Cashman would have chosen to promote a scrub like Brower over Britton after he stole the latter from the Orioles. Torre has a lot of control over roster decisions.
yea andrea that was pretty funny as always
Bring in Farnsworth and tell him he has to pitch the rest of the game…if he refuses, pay Boston to take him…
Kaj-
OK. I retract the retraction about “chinless”.
Brower and Karstens > Ramirez and Britton.
Unbelievable that these two stiffs are occupying roster spots while two good relievers are rotting in the minors IN THE MIDDLE OF A PENNANT RACE. What purpose does Brower serve anyway? Karstens is the long man. What the hell is Brower? The white flag?
@Boston Yankee: Ahh – still an important play. Thanks!
PLEASE tell me Ca$hman sends Karstens and Brower down for Ramirez and Britton. . .Brian Bruney must be unbelievably pissed right now (haha).
If Brower and Karstens are still here tomorrow morning, Cashman better not be.
brower is proving torre right again. hahaha
With all the complaints about starting Karstens on this blog instead of Kennedy (who didn’t set the world aflame last night, so there’s no Joba guarantee there), there is more and better blame to go around: Clemens and Hernandez. Rocket’s the one who plunked Rios last week when he was cruising through the BloJs’ lineup and got tossed. Angel Hernandez did what most umps do, even though they’re wrong, and chucked Clemens out of the game, thereby ensuring a suspension. It’s nice to “protect the hitters” but the Yanks have useless s**thead relievers for that (two words: Kyle Farnsworth), not pro-rata $28M starters whose lone backup is a mid-level AAA pitcher. If the Yanks miss the playoffs by a game, point to this one.
Then again, if the Yanks get blanked, the Clemens/Karstens difference is irrelevant; and then again once again, regardless of tonight’s whiff the Yanks have lost others they should have won: you could point to Joe bonking the first game in Fenway in April, or the Saturday game at the Giants or the Sunday game the first time the Angels came to the Stadium . . .
Go Twins . . . for now.
Bedard has been lights-out lately. I’m not fond of our chances of beating him. Losing another two of three to Baltimore…That hurts! Still, they got Boston two out of three, so I guess they’re simply pumped up about playing spoiler.
In the meantime, Karstens seems like a younger version of Aaron Small – i.e. he throws a few good games last year, but now this year he can’t get anyone out. I guess there is a reason his name is never mentioned when people are discussing the Yanks’ hot young pitching prospects! Time for him to toil in SWB again…
The Yanks might lose the division by one game, yes, but if they do it’s because they couldn’t win in April and May.
Not because they lost one game in August.
Well I think Jim Brower got his fair shake…and it is pretty evident he’s terrible.
i guess they don’t teach you how to hold runners on SCWB
ron i couldnt disagree more but were both welcome to our opinions i just cant say that torre is an idiot ever not after all hes done
Exposing the Yankees achilles heel, huh?
This guy sucks!! At least we have Phil going tomorrow.
Enjoy scranton, jeff. you earned it.
Rebecca,
I know it won’t be because of tonight, I was just pointing it out for the people who keep saying “its just one game.”
Michael T
August 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Kaj-
OK. I retract the retraction about “chinless�.
you can’t retract a retraction…that is like a triple dog dare….there’s no crying in baseball !!!
Josh,
Appeals don’t take long for New York teams because the MLB Office is in NY.
Appeals are heard when a team returns to NY. Since the Yankees are based in NY, the appeal would have been heard immediately.
KAJ, exhale and stop acting like a 5 year old. They aren’t going undefeated this year. Here’s why its a giveaway game.
The WORST they can be after tonight is one game out of the Wild Card and five out of the division.
That’s a WORST CASE scenario. Its not that big a deal.
Ever hear of the expression, “lose the battle but win the war”.
They don’t have Chamberlain or Rivera available. They are shorthanded on the mound. Absent an offensive explosion, tonight was going to be a tough night. That’s the way it goes.
This hardly kills this team. In fact, it won’t even put a ripple in their momentum.
jhahahah kaj would you stop it youre killing my today you and andrea would you stop it you guys… geeze i just markakised all over the place
Brower, Karstens and FarnsDink sent down…Ramirez, Kennedy and Scranton’s Beer Girl COMING UP !
we are going to have to send people down tonight because at this rate not only do karstens and brower stink but they wont be available to pitch tomorrow and i imagine at least 1 other reliever will get burned thru. we are going to need bodies.
Does anyone know what’s Clemens’ injury? the reason for getting that extra day of rest instead of appealing and starting today?
Boston Yankee (fire Michael Kay and Jon Sterling)
August 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
jhahahah kaj would you stop it youre killing my today you and andrea would you stop it you guys… geeze i just markakised all over the place
You’re gonna a need a BIG TOWEL for that ! LOL !
The Yankees have some very good major league prospects. Obviously Karstens and Brower are not among them. Maybe Baltimore will get tired from running the bases tonight and won’t score at all tomorrow.
Hmmm…I guess you can’t get lucky every year when it comes to picking up stiffs released by other teams and expecting them to cdontribute. Cashman caught some lightning in a bottle with Small and Chacon, but Brower is a harsh return to reality..There’s a reason guys like him get dumped!
Ugh, today is one of those games…
Right now I’m not so much worried about the Yankees losing as I am about them being no hi—
nevermind.
Seaver
I guess this team has forced me to have a sense of humor.
These boys need some PATIENCE.
How quickly we all forget the GOOD things Brian Cashman has done as late. Now all of a sudden if Karstens and Brower are still here he needs to be fired. Forget Betemit and bringing in Joba and Shelley Duncan and trading for Molina. No, none of that matters.
is this a gettaway game? why r we swinging at the first pich?/
This guy started and not Kennedy because pigheaded Torre likes “experience”, even if it is experience in sucking. Ditto Brower over Edwar/Britton. Having loved Torre in the past, I cannot wait to jettison him after this year. He truly drives me insane by doing things with his pitching which are just inconceivable. I know Pete will say this is just Torre bashing, but anyone who thinks he can defend this is simply a dope.
KAJ, exhale and stop acting like a 5 year old
Dude…I am a 5 year old because I diagree with you ? I got news for you, pal…You’re surrounded by Kindergarteners now !
Andrea: So totally with you on that.
apparently the memo has gone out in the dugout about swinging at all first pitches.
SJ44,
The worst case scenario is not that. Boston is playing Tampa and we face Bedard tomorrow. If the Yankees lose tomorrow and Boston wins both of these games then we’re six back and the division is bleak. Giving away games at this juncture in the season is dumb. Our bullpen is going to be non-existant tomorrow at the rate this is going.
can shelley duncan pitch>?
Jim Brower is a 36-year old journeyman whose ERA has been climbing into the stratosphere. That slider won’t fool t-ball hitters.
LA LECHE ROCKS
Ugh. Be careful. I hear it stains if you get that markakis on your shirt.
Apple Jacks strikes out for Boston to end the 4th…SWEET !
i miss SMITH, you guys are insane today. Its early on. Its what rumsfeld said, you go to fight with the army you have, not the army you want. Sadly, today, this is what we had. We have to deal with it.
andrea?! no youre kidding i got it on my new “its a dirty joba but someones gotta do it shirt”
It’s about winning series, folks. We’ll take the rubber game tomorrow. And hey, it’s 6-0 in the fourth as I write this. Do you honestly think the Yankees can’t score 7 runs in 5 innings off Baltimore’s lights out pitching staff?
Relax, believe in your team, it’s only one game. We knew we weren’t going to win them all down the stretch (although it feels like we could!)
seriously,,I am naming my next kid Apple Jacks…I just don’t care anymore !…
I still want that shirt.
ken when you yell lookout… THEY CANT HEAR YOU
I had the Yanks pegged a 44-0 to end the season.
nettles,
No, I do not believe that the Yankees can put up a 6 spot on Eric Bedard.
@Andrea: I don’t think (or at least I hope not) anyone here is bagging on Cashman. Maybe for the Brower move. Whatever. In any case, the onus will be on him IF he doesn’t send Brower and Karstens back down. . .but as for what happened today, it was a matter of giving a couple of guys a chance; they just didn’t take advantage of the opportunities.
I *really* like this lineup. A lot. I wonder if Torre realizes how hole-less this lineup is. Sheesh.
With that said, I bet Andy and Johnny and Shelley all come in to play tomorrow. . .
Boston Yankee: Just rub some joba in it. Joba always gets the job done
You REALLY need to make me a shirt like that!
I love Phil. He’s going to be an amazing pitcher. But I don’t like his chances of beating Bedard.
rebecca it doesnt make sense to make it for the five people who want one if i got 20 people to want it then id think about it
Few liked Hughes’ chances of beating Carmona last week, but he did anyways.
In his home park, no less.
Back to the TB/Sox game. That kid John Lester can run up a pitch count, even when he is looking OK. Like Scotty Brosius used to seemingly come into the batter’s box in an 0-2 hole, Lester seems like he starts each batter with a 2-2 count.
Neil B: I scrolled up but couldn’t find it. Someone actually said that if Karstens and Brower weren’t gone by the morning, Cashman better be. I thought it was a bit ridiculous.
I wish Hughes had a rubber arm…Sure would have preferred moving him up a day to face Cabrera (which would have given us a chance to actually win this game, maybe) instead of sending a parade of BP pitchers to the mound. If the plan was essentially to “concede” a game because of the Clemens suspension, I’d rather have conceded the game against Bedard rather than this one. After all, there really isn’t much shame in losing to Bedard the way he is throwing this year.
P.S. – You know who would have been perfect to eat some innings in this game? Mike Myers! At least he could get righties out (sometimes)…much better than Brower, at least!!
I’m beginning to think that Brower is worse than Karstens.
If Karstens actually got some calls, the score would still be 1-0…
Giveaway game, huh?!?! LOL!!
Same as those early season games were giveaway games that didn’t matter!
Only the Yanks would concede a ballgame during a pennant race by starting that dork Karstens!
So…….from this game we know our offense is over-rated.
Wishing for a comeback win is too much. Let’s just hope for more than ONE hit.
The division is a long shot as it is. Do yourself and favor and don’t predict outcomes of games based on the starters.
Lots of things can happen. What if Bedard-Hughes is a pitchers battle and they get to the Orioles bullpen? That’s how they beat Pedro for years.
Does anybody really believe the Yankees are going to continue to play .750 baseball the rest of the season? At some point, they are going to lose some games here and there.
You can’t lose your mind over one loss. Let’s see how the week plays out before we decide things are “bleak”.
At this rate, you have to think one, or perhaps two, pitchers are coming from Scranton for tomorrow afternoon’s game. I am going to monitor the Scranton game and see who pitches there tonigt.
damn. i wish they could have kept Yogi in the booth. Its nice to hear him tell stories and speak on his good friend. I just feel so terrible for Yogi. He’s just so taken back from Phil’s death. He’s definitely heartbroken. He weeped a bit today while talking to Mike on Mike and the Maddog. I miss Phil already. RIP
Well this has been a disappointing game to watch…
I feel like Cabrera usually starts out throwing 5 fantastic innings against the Yankees and then loses it… and the O’s don’t have a bullpen to write home about…
It’d be real nice to pull one out here and have Boston maybe lose one to the DRays
Brower needs to just eat the innings, it’s obvious that he is going to get beaten up, but at this point there’s no use in burning the rest of the pen.
now you guys know why i love vin scully
Who says we have to hang 6 on Bedard? That’s tomorrow’s game…let it take care of itself. Hughes will be fine.
Boston Yankee: It does too make sense! you get yourself some iron-on letters and get to work!
hahaha oh moses here we go
Good to hear from you again Smith.
Here’s a thought…The Yanks went on their most recent tear after getting embarassed 15-4 by Toronto. Perhaps history will repeat itself! (Trying to be a total optimist here, which is unusual for me!!)
I think Brower is pitching one of his last games as a Yankee
SJ44,
I am not saying things look bleak. I’m saying it is not smart to give away games. No, I did not think the Yankees would play .750 ball but it is never good to concede defeat. Bringing up Kennedy would’ve saved the bullpen. Even if Kennedy sucked, you could’ve went 3IP, 3IP, 3IP with Kennedy, Karstens, and Brower. Now we’re going to see Villone, Farns, and maybe Vizcaino.
Well, we know the trolls will begin to come out of the woodwork now.
A loss! A loss! PANIC!!!!
SMITH – Step away from the caps lock key…It’s gonna be alright, buddy!
I agree Yanksfan. As much as no one here wants to admit it. This is a giveaway game. It is already 7-0 just let Jim take one for the team. He will be gone by tonight.
“Golly, it appears the Yankees are not going to end the season with a 47-game win streak.”
( Really…thanks for busting out collective bubble, Pete. That is EXACTLY what we who wanted Kennedy pitching were thinking )
“Clearly Karstens should be executed, Torre and Cashman fired and Steinbrenner forced to sell the team.”
( Ok, NOW you are just being plain silly )
Beyond that, they owed Karstens a shot. He threw five pitches with a broken leg on April 28. I’ll repeat that, he threw five pitches with a broken leg.
( REALLY ? Did I miss that in the MLB Rulebook ??…Rule 123, section 7, item b…If a really crappy pitcher pitches 4 or more pitches after breaking any bone in his body below the waist, then the next time you have a chance to start him in place of someone who is suspended, you MUST do so, even if there are clearly more qualified pitchers available )
Thanks, Pete, for clearing that up. I learn more new things about this baseball thinga ma jig every day… !!!
This game is hilarious. I can understand the horrible pitching but why are our batters swinging at everything?
He isn’t right at all today.
Agree Jennifer. Seeing Yogi and listening to him makes you sad and know he’s not holding up too well.
I think the guys are a little shaken up out there. A sad day another legend lost.
I’m for putting in Shelley Duncan in to pitch a few innings. He must’ve picked up something from his dad and he probably would have a terrifyingly enthusiastic mound presence.
Chicago Dave: It’s not the first time they’ve done that.
After they lost to Tampa 14 4, they won the next three 72, 17 5, 21 4 and took two out of three from KC.
After losing to Chicago in that game where they rolled 8s in the 2nd, they won every game till the Toronto game you mentioned.
It is potentially a good sign–means they’re gonna beat the heck out of the Tigers and the Angels!
lugo looks like he does voodoo
I would like to think we have a shot, but Brower keeps leaking runs every single inning…
Perfect situation for Farnsworth to earn his pay.
Say 4 innings?
SJ44 – I know it’s considered sacrilege to take issue with anything you say on this board. However, I must take exception to you calling out “the trolls.” You yourself had called for the scrapping and re-building of this team earlier in the year when things were going badly, so let others vent now if they want to, OK?
Haven’t read through all the comments, but I’m sure there’s been lots of complaining. We should remember that these guys are playing with a heavy heart.
smith you keep that name out of your mouth
I can’t belive we threw this game away by letting Karstens pitch, I called this crap since Sunday
SJ44
August 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Well, we know the trolls will begin to come out of the woodwork now.
A loss! A loss! PANIC!!!!
Absolutely no need to panic, but we are all free to express our opinions, right ?
Remember this if the yanks finish one game out of the playoffs. Would have been nice to have had a shot tonight (with Kennedy).
Chicago Dave —– AMEN AMEN AMEN… SJ i remember that you had given up and now other people arent happy and you tell them to stop WOW.. thank you chicago
Through 5 complete innings…Tampa 1-0 over Boston…sweet !
I’m really not liking Patterson right now.
I would really like a run. I really don’t want to get shut out…for some inane reason, losing 14 4 bothers me less than a shut out…
what was fear factors pitching line tonight? looks like he was actually right for once.
This is reading like a Sox blog tonight. They’re losing too, by the way, so I’m sure the sky over RSN is crashing to the ground as well.
Sack up, you wusses. It’s only one stinkin’ game.
I would LOVE to see Shelley pitch a few innings.
People need to relax….seriously. We knew going into this game that the cards were stacked against us.
Pete, how many life jackets you have for all the bloggers who have jumped off the “good ship yankee” again? I am glad the players don’t think like you guys do. We would be in dead last.
man, you guys are funny.
In 3 at bats tonight, Jeter has seen 5 pitches. You’ve got to be kidding me. How on earth can you swing so early in the count when your facing a pitcher that leads the league in walks!? I’m sorry, but Jeter should know better.
is that person SMITH, trying unsuccessfully to make a joke or is he really just in need of a stay in a mental institution?
This Brower guy stinks. Where is Edwar when you need him?
so the igawa trade fell through. that sucks
“Through 5 complete innings…Tampa 1-0 over Boston…sweet !”
Now if Tampa only had some semblance of a bullpen I would have faith in them holding that lead (he says, sighing loudly).
“Through 5 complete innings…Tampa 1-0 over Boston…sweet !”
KAJ MORON,
IT’S GONNA BE HILARIOUS IF BOSTON COMES BACK TO WIN! LOL!
ENJOYING JEFF “THE DORK” KARSTENS AND JIM BRUER THE GOAT BOY!
dmm,
There’s a valid reason people aren’t happy about tonight. A certain pitcher named Bedard is pitching tomorrow, I don’t know if you’ve heard about him but he’s but he is kind of an ACE. People know theres a good chance we could lose this series, so I dont blame them for being upset.
Eyebrows was doing well for an inning, so I found some joy in that. Melky’s made some great plays. That’s really all we can hope for. That error by Cano kind of sucks. But you really can’t ask for much more than that from this game. I know everyone wants EVERY game, but what did you expect from Karstens, especially when you knew there’d be no Joba, and no Mo?
AND THE YANKS STILL HAVE IGAWA! LOL!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS ORGANIZATION? AND BRIAN CASHMAN STILL HAS A JOB! LOL!
i come from boston so im not around yanks fans much but do yanks fans usually jump on and off the bandwagon this much. directed at kaj, andrea, bbb, or jennifer.
smith: sometimes the best trade is one you dont make
The bandwagoners do.
I’m not happy about this game. but it is one game. i know we aren’t going to play .750 baseball forever. This is out one loss for the week.
The spring training was the main reason we had a bad start, we can’t use what happened there to make decisions about pitching.
If Karstens and Brower stay in the bullpen, we will have a very big problem in our plan to reach the playoffs, we need to find better pieces and quick.
We can lose games but we can’t throw them away like we did tonight.
But, they rebuilt the team, didn’t they Dave? And, its a better team now, isn’t it?
Why should anybody lose their minds over one game when the team is clearly better than its been?
Its one game. Calling for mass firings and carrying on is a little over the top isn’t it?
There isn’t any reason to “vent” when the game was over in the second inning. You just turn the page and move onto tomorrow.
As far as “trolls”, I am not talking about the folks who post in here nightly. I am talking about the folks who come out of the woodwork everytime the Yankees lose a game.
Boston Yankee – I know your last question wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll give my two cents, anyway…We Yankee fans are a naturally high-strung breed! I think it’s as simple as that, really…
Don’t try to season with him. He is just here to get under our skin. He must have 20 computers in his boarding school. I thought Pete took care of the racist punk yesterday.
Hopefully Brower is DFA after the game.
the Igawa trade fell threw becaus they found out he had a bad case of Markakis.
through, not threw. what a terrible english major I am.
oh screw this give me FARNSY !!!! maybe he ignites our offense at the sight of him warming up
You know, I’m glad the Yankees have a day game tomorrow. It’ll be that much easier to put this behind them.
Bring back Kei! Hah. Steve White — our new long man after tonight.
THE RETARDS HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON THE COMPUTERSSSSS, THE BOSTON RED SOX GAGNE LOVING RETARDS HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON THE COMPUUUUTTTTERRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS… (GUNSHOT)
doug brokehand? WOW KAY YOU SUUUUUUCK thats a lame joke and in bad taste
I won’t be able to watch it.
A co-worker came in my office and said I’m going to the Yankee game tomorrow. I was so jealous!! He gets to see Phil pitch. I didn’t find out where the seats were since i’m sure they are pretty sweet since he is loaded.d
“Its one game. Calling for mass firings and carrying on is a little over the top isn’t it?”
SJ44 – First things first…I’m not trying to pick a fight with you on this, but I do think you’re being hippocritical right now for calling out others for doing the exact sort of thing that you (and many others, including myself) were doing earlier this year. If I recall correctly, there were many games after which you yourself essentially called for “mass firings” and your posts certainly could have been construed as “carrying on.” Again, you were certainly not alone in this regard, but I’d say it’s disingenuous for you to now start calling the kettle black, as it were.
Pete, still what’s the answer to the unsolved mystery of Clemens not appealing ? Injury ??????
What is with all the childish nonsense tonight.
It is one game!! And everyone forgets that Jeff broke his LEG, he hasn’t pitched every 5 days! Give the guy a break!!
Man, the Yanks owe the Scooter so much more than this…
chicago dave i just wrote those people because theyre the only ones ive seen who didnt bail. I dont remember you during the dog days so i didnt name you. not saying you bailed just its not that i wasnt asking you just… well you get the idea. But thanks for the input i think youre right
Clemens didn’t appeal because that’s weak. Clemens is a real ball player.
jennifer: I have TICKETS to tomorrow’s game. i’ve never seen Phil Hughes pitch. AND it’s collectible hat day! but I just started my new job so I can’t go. I’m SO upset! I’m thinking of calling in sick anyway…my seats are in the bleachers since I’m a poor grad student bastard, but that’s RIGHT near the bullpen so I’d get to see Phil warm up! and JOBA if he came in!
I wonder if “SMITH” really laughs as much as he types “LOL” or if it’s just a nervous tick in his fingers…
Better question: why is this four-year old still posting?
One thing I don’t understand with the 25 and 40 man rosters – why would it be a big deal if Brower was taken off the 40 man roster and Kennedy added for this game? I mean, Brower is nothing more than a mop up man and journeyman reliever. Is it really that important that he be protected? Are there some nuances that I am not understanding? He is an older player and I don’t see where he fits in anyway. Karstens to me is a AAAA player. Good for long relief when you are down in a game but he is still young so I’d give him his shots.
“And everyone forgets that Jeff broke his LEG, he hasn’t pitched every 5 days! Give the guy a break!!”
jennifer – OK, was that pun intended or not? LOL!!!
will joe still trust brower after this game or does brower get numerous bad games before he loses joes trust while edwar gets 1
How long have you been working there? Are you in the city? Maybe go to work, than pretend to be sick and go to the game.
that way you didn’t actually call out.
Ahhh, so THIS is why Karstens on the team! To give us a poor 3 IP, 5 ER start, so we can bring in the OTHER guy who shouldn’t be on the roster and watch him give up 5 or so MORE runs without getting out of the 6th.
Then we’ll see if we can manage to end this massacre of a game without exhausting the poor guys in the pen who can actually pitch (let Farns try to throw 4IP).
The only good to come out of this SHOCKING outcome of a game will be if Karstens gets booted back to SWB where he belongs and Brower gets DFA’d and we call up 2 guys who can pitch.
SHOCKER!!!!
does smith eat all his meals with a spoon? i cant imagine someone with that low of an IQ gets to use sharp objects.
So how many Yankees fans have joined me on the ledge tonight??
Relax its one game, we both are a couple feet from the ledge
Felt this fit the mood:
he sun’ll come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There’ll be sun!
Just thinkin’ about
Tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs,
And the sorrow
‘Til there’s none!
When I’m stuck a day
That’s gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin,
And Say,
Oh!
The sun’ll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
‘Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You’re always
A day
A way!
Like I said Dave, my comment was directed at the trolls who show up on nights they lose, not to the regular community.
I have no problems with the rebuilt team. I like the moves they have made, and am willing to eat tonight’s game. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Now that the team is rebuilt, I prefer to take a long view on the season. I am sure reinforcements will come from Scranton tomorrow (hopefully Edwar), the bullpen (at least the key components) will be rested and I am looking forward to the Hughes-Bedard matchup.
I am not ready to concede tomorrow because they are facing a good pitcher.
What, Joba could be the spot starter? He was a starting pitcher two weeks ago.
No Chicago it wasn’t meant. I looked after i clicked post. and said I didn’t really mean that. LOL
This is just not our night. Nothing is going right.
Unpower Trio: Karstens, Brower, and Villone.
If Smith has access to many computers, how come the caps lock key seems to be jammed on all of them. Time to call a serviceman out to that boarding school of his!!!
will this inning EVER END?
It was garuanteed that the runners would score when Villone came in. As the guys at RAB pointed out, he allows 40% of inherited runners to score…pathetic.
Tampa sucks at baseball. Royally.
And the Red Sox are losing to them. Ho hum.
Good God, people – please pay attention to these stats:
6 IP, 7 H, 3 R (3 ER), 4 BB, 2 SO
80 pitches thrown, 43 strikes
Okay, so against a AAA team (Buffalo), he barely throws 50% strikes while walking four. The first five innings weren’t all that pretty either.
In conclusion, I suspect he would have fared just about as well as Karstens tonight.
actually helno51 my guess is a straw.
pete-
don’t get me wrong, I am a fan of karstens because he was pitching with a broken leg, but please, he does have an era near 12. i think a lot of fans would have been more comfortable if clipp was starting or (weird typing this)kei Igawa. neither would take a 40 man roster move, just a 25 man roster move which would be simple: send down karstens, bring up clipp/iggy.
I did not want them to bring up kennedy, and I knew they weren’t going to, but that didn’t mean they had to stick with karstens…
Again don’t get me wrong, but why he hell would we have to give a shot to a player with an era of 10+??
please answer that pete.
Villone is just doing his patriotic duty and finishing Brower’s ML career.
NOW is the time to bring in Farnsworth for the entire rest of the game.
Bad pitchers night, i’m 100% sure that we will see Farnsworth tonight. I can only hope for Joe won’t use the good relievers in this game.
The Shocker – you are right. We will see Britton and Edwar, um, I don’t know, tomorrow…
Also, if you’re going to lose, you might as well lose big. The Yanks aren’t getting much from Cabrera tonight anyway. I just hope Melky can continue his hitting streak….
Ok..it’s all water under the bridge…we can’t change anything with our complaining…tomorrow we come back with Hughes at Home and take another series 2 out of 3…Boston loses tonight…they lose tomorrow and we sit only 3 back…OK…I am no longer 5 years old and I just took SJ44′s advice and am breathing now….( still, we score 2 touchdowns and we are RIGHT BACK in this one ! )
what are the odds we see Luis tonight?
Kay gets more excited when other teams score
do you think smith hit the caps lock but doesnt know how to turn it off. guys i dont hate SMITH i pity him. lets just break it down. he went to google, searched for a yankees blog then either had decided or then decided to post on the game. he then sat for hours waiting by his computer for the game to start. he then started posting. hoping to make some connection with humans besides his parents. he wrote hateful messages blasting the yankees and wanted to make it seem, for some unknown reason, that there were more than one of him so he made multiple names. pete blocked him. BUT HE WOULDNT BE DENIED!!!! OH NO NOT SMITH! he found a new computer and he kept going. that type of persistance… he needs a disney movie
They’ll be at least one roster move after tonight’s game.
Hint: Just pitchers involved.
SJ44 – OK, you’re cool with me, my friend. Peace!!
As for tomorrow, I certainly hope we win as well, and I’m not necessarily conceding the game entirely. However, we have a rookie going against a guy who is really beginning to come into his own as a front-of-the-rotation starter (and, not coincidentally, who leads the majors in strikeouts by a comfortable margin right now)…Logically speaking, that doesn’t make for great odds of the Yanks winning going in. That’s all I’m saying…
jennifer: I’ve only been there about 3 weeks. It’s in White PLains, so not far, but I carpool in with someone. I gave the tickets to my dad, so hopefully he’s going. Maybe he’ll even give me the hat
I am going to 5 more games (that I know of) so I’m sure I’ll get to see Joba and hopefully Phil Hughes eventually.
This is ridiculous…its like we have no one to pitch b/c of Karstens and his inability to pitch 5 innings…he just doesn’t have it this year since he had elbow troubles in spring training…why isn’t Ramirez and Britton up here to be pitching? They better call those 2 up tomorrow and get rid of Karstens and Brower…matter of fact, they should have just been called by Cashman and told to start driving here now…..
You guys don’t know my pain. Torre owed me this game!
I don’t know why everybody blames Cashman for these kind of roster decisions. This brand of idiocy has Joe Torre’s fingerprints all over it.
Tampa took Kazmir out. Bah.
Viz will definitely pitch tonight.. you know Joe loves to throw him out there in blowouts.
Oh god people. We are back in the race. We are 4 back in the division and tied for the lead for the wild card. WE ARE NOT 14 back anymore!! We can afford to give a game away. As Pete said to have Ian pitch here they would have, had to make a move on both the 40 man and 25 man for ONE START!! after that he would have been sent back down! It isn’t worth it!
i can’t believe this is turning into a hostile environment in here tonight. LOl! Man
ouch
Ehh. This game was to be expected, at least from me. Sure, Karstens could have given only a few runs in 5 inings or so, but it was more likely he would only last a couple of innings while allowing several runs.
Anyway, I don’t understand why people look at the schedule and say that the Yankees will lose because of it. Along with the Yankees not going to the playoffs because their pitching is in the middle of the pact. If you take away those blowout loses that the Yankees have, then their pitching would be near the top. Games like tonight make the Yankees pitching STATS look bad. And of coruse, the dummies saying those stuff, are ESPN morons that don’t even watch the Yankees play. Sure, they can’t watch every game, but they should know enough about baseball that statistics are a crapshoot in this game, for the most part.
LOUD NOISES!!!
smith you are the perfect example of the everyday red sox fan.
seriously guys, when will you learn, the season is not over until it’s over.
“that type of persistance… he needs a disney movie”
Something like “Rudy” or “Good Will Hunting,” right? HA!!! Maybe we could get Gary Coleman to play the role of the legendary “SMITH”…What do you think?!
when the RedSox get blanked by Tampa with THEIR Bullpen, I am going to laugh and laugh !!!
petes analysis of this decision tonight is really weak. im not saying we had to go to Kennedy but to say that in the heat of a pennant race we owed a guy with a double digit era is pretty weak reasoning. and there is no way that brower should be up here. if you want an innings eater id rather go with edwar or henn who both can throw multiple innings. and britton is also better than brower. but any criticism gets you a sarcastic response from pete. hes probably annoyed that phillips didnt get the chance to make a bunch of outs tonight.
Hurray Gary Glover! Hurray J.D. Drew!
I would NOT rather have seen Kei Igawa than Karstens. We knew Igawa sucked. Karstens was a question mark.
I’m STILL confused though. What was up with that awesome game Igawa pitched v. the Red Sox in April? What happened?
…and we all laugh at the trolls…end of story…
Pete,
The Yanks owed Karstens a start because he threw 5 pitches with a broken leg? So what. He threw well in Spring training..so what. Everyone and their mother knew Karstens was going to get hammered.
Night all im outta here tonight, reading the comments makes a very depressing day even more depressing, seems all the idiots come out on days like this sure doesnt make for any kind of intelligent conversation. Be safe all tonight and say a little prayer for Phil, his family and friends.
I love the way that Peter does the equivalent of throwing a bucket of water on all of us saying, ‘would you guys just STOP it!’
As Yankee fans, we really are the most irrational bunch around. Speaking of irrational, this season is over, sell the team, we can’t ever win again…
hahaha touche brandon
and no chicago dave i was thinking steve buscemi
that’s why Big Sloppy is done too right ?
Boston still with the goose egg thru 7 !
If it wasn’t tonight, that was 504…
Why wasn’t it worth it for Kennedy to be here? Seriously how hard is it take somebody like Kevin Reese off the 40 man? How hard is it to option Jeff Karstens to Scranton? Not very hard.
“I’m STILL confused though. What was up with that awesome game Igawa pitched v. the Red Sox in April? What happened?”
Andrea – Little known fact…That was actually Ron Guidry wearing an Igawa costume!
ayy theres still 4 more innings im not ruling out a come back ….the yankees O can score 11 in an inning…GO YANKS
SMITH you little moron. Has it occurred to you at all that your team is losing to the worst team in the league? And we’re having a bad day against a team that just kicked your ass all over the weekend?
Oh, and hey. Your mother wants you to take the garbage out. NOW
The racist kid from the boarding school was on the board yesterday. What racist young one doesnt realize that scoring 3 runs in 17 innings against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays aint that good.
Statistics are not a crapshoot. Over the full season, the blowouts don’t make a huge difference. The Yankees pitching is not outstanding. The bullpen isn’t very good. It could be much better if we don’t have a senile man managing the team.
I can’t wait until Torre is gone. It’s hard enough winning games, it’s harder fighting against your own manager’s stupidity at the same time.
” Clearly Karstens should be executed, Torre and Cashman fired and Steinbrenner forced to sell the team.”
don’t be rediculous peter, one or the other, there’s no reason to fire both of them.
seriously, it’s not a good sign when before the game starts as a yankee fan, you say,” we’d better score a lot of runs”.
just be glad karstens didnt throw 10 pitches with a broken leg. pete would have us owing karstens a game 7 start.
down 11-0 and A-Rod ON HIS HORSE to first….I like it !
Farnsworth better be able to pitch 2 innings tonight…this is why he shouldn’t be on the team, he is not trusted and when we need to pitch him its only an inning, what a waste of space….this kind of game can really mess up a bullpen for a few days…..we all saw this game coming with Karstens…I just don’t think we can afford to take anything for granted,not the way Seattle is playing and with Detroit and the Angels coming up…..
@Cashman messed up: Did you completely *ignore* my post??
Ian Kennedy last night against Buffalo:
6 IP, 7 H, 3 R (3 ER), 4 BB, 2 SO
80 pitches thrown, 43 strikes
*This is what you would have gotten if you had pitched Kennedy tonight. In conclusion, this was more or less an inevitable occurrence. Live with it.*
I keep hearing a noise, but I can’t quite make it out….
IM AN IDIOT THAT HAS NO LIFE AND LIKES TO WRITE IN CAPS LOCK IN YANKEE BLOGS BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL MORE LIKE A MAN….
Neil B.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
@Cashman messed up: Did you completely ignore my post??
Ian Kennedy last night against Buffalo:
6 IP, 7 H, 3 R (3 ER), 4 BB, 2 SO
80 pitches thrown, 43 strikes
This is what you would have gotten if you had pitched Kennedy tonight. In conclusion, this was more or less an inevitable occurrence. Live with it.
Dude.. are U OK over there ? Are you saying that Kennedy having us down 3-0 as opposed to 11-0 would be better ?
Chicago Dave: oooooh. lol. I was wondering why his face looked a little plastic when he was warming up in the bullpen. I should have known!
Dave,
We’re cool, no worries.
Earlier in the year, I would have been worried about tomorrow’s matchup. I know how good Bedard is (I think he should win the Cy Young this year) but, Hughes really showed me something Friday night.
That was the biggest game of the year to date and he was fantastic. I am hoping they grind it out, get to the O’s bullpen, and I like our chances.
I don’t see this game having any lasting effects on this team. They are back in the race and, if a few things break right, they may not lose any ground to anybody tonight.
Tomorrow will be tough, as will all the games the next 10 days. However, I like the way the team is playing and tonight may be the last “AAA Night” we see re: the pitching staff the rest of the season.
and im pretty sure one thing smith has never felt is a woman of the non-blowup variety.
karstens absolutely earned the opportunity to start this game. no argument there. bringing up kennedy and making roster shifts for one game wouldn’t have been worth it.
however, karstens also earned his ticket back to scranton. absolutely earned it. in his time back up in the majors he has been mediocre, and that’s being incredibly generous.
adios, jeff.
I’m glad you want to feel more like a man SMITH, doesn’t mean you are one
There is a reason people don’t post much on here… it’s because there are some idiots that feel Torre knows quite a bit less than they do regarding his team and the sport he has spent 40+ years in.
you dont see a lot of tall pitchers… WHAT!!! wait WAHT!!!
The good news about tonight’s game is that it was piloted by 3 pitchers (Karstens, Brower and Villone) who will have absolutely nothing to do with the Yankees’ September stretch drive. My guess is that you’ll never see Karstens and Brower again this season, and Villone hardly at all.
I’m bothered by tonight’s effort (who wouldn’t be?) but I am not nearly as bothered as I was about the Wang shallacking in Toronto last Wednesday. The Yankees had to come off that game and then go into a high stakes series in Cleveland, starting with Friday’s game against Carmona. How did that turn out? I’m guessing they’ll turn in a better performance tomorrow.
It’s easy to get really ticked off at a game like this, but c’mon, the absolute worst-case scenario from tonight is that we are 1 game back in the WC. Frankly, it would have been more damaging to the psyche if they had blown last nights game.
Finally, I have no idea how the game will finish in Fenway (I have a queasy feeling right now) but I can say this unequivocally: At this point in the season, I’d rather a lose a pure garbage game like this to the Orioles 11-0 then lose 1-0 to Tampa.
Speaking of Igawa…Is he still a part-time base coach at SWB? If so, I think the Yanks should seriously consider grooming him to be a full-time base coach. I think perhaps that would be a good “niche” role for a player of his meager talents!
Heh.
You know, Steven White was an option. He’s never thrown a major league pitch, and he couldn’t be worse than Karstens. And that Clippard dude. You know, his stats were like, better than Karstens his entire F’ing career. But Joe Torre goes with “poise” and “experience” over reality. The man is a disaster. His incompetence, from Cairo to Womack, never ends.
racist young one from exeter; they might teach you that in your classes, but the reality is that you have never seen in your lifetime
top of the 8th, Tampa already up 1-0..No Outs…runners on 1st and 2nd…DELCARMEN PITCHING !!! LOL !
Ok, give Pete a break. I don’t think he’s saying that because he threw 5 pitches with a broken leg the Yankees should let him start just cause. He’s saying it showed heart, and heart sometimes, just SOMETIMES, means good things. unfortunately for Eyebrows it didn’t work out this time.
Deryk:
I’m sorry, but Joe Torre was a mediocre at best manager in the National League. He didn’t just become a genius overnight. Ask any older Met and Cardinals fans about their memories of Torre.
40 years and the man still can be first-guessed with stupendous ease.
Smith is just nervous and is begining to feel the intense pressure of the yankees comin in on the divison….
SJ44 – So, how do you think the Yanks will ultimately replace Brower and Villone? I mean, who do you see stepping into their spots in the bullpen? (I know Karstens will be sent down after this game and Clemens will take his spot back, so that’s obviously not as much of a question mark!)
Ron – you are 100% correct. we had other options not only at starter but also instead of brower. if we held it at 5-0 we were still in it, but not with brower literally giving away runs
bringing up kennedy and making roster shifts for one game wouldn’t have been worth it.
I am not trying to be an ass here but why would it not have been worth it? Kevin Reese is taking up a spot on the 40 man. How many of you think Kevin Reese is ever going to see the Bronx again? Jeff Karstens/ Jim Brower are both taking up roster spots on the 25 man. Would anyone have cared if Brower was DFA’d? Would anyone care if we had sent Karstens down in favor of Kennedy?
First two men on but no runs? This game is an aberration, like Wang in Toronto…
w.e. its just one game, its not as if we had this in the bag and then gagne came in and blew it or something
we just got our asses kicked and thats that
..come on Crawford ! Drive in 2, baby !!!
Yeah, the Yankees can’t afford to expose Chris Basak and Kevin Reese to waivers. God forbid they lose those two studs.
Torre wanted Karstens. Torre got Karstens. Karstens sucked. Torre is an arrogant fool.
Boston’s intentionally walking Carl Crawford.
I love the irony of this whole thing–if Boston loses, then tonight’s loss hurts a heck of a lot less.
guys sox are blowing it presently
Yeah it’s one game. But these kinds of games show off just how bad an in-game manager Joe really is.
ya migames EXETER SUCKS!
Kazmir threw a hell of a game tonight.
Meanwhile, Arizona is getting clobbered 14-1 by Florida. So, we’re not the only statistically superior team getting hammered by a mediocre team tonight! (Cold comfort, I know…but misery loves company, right?!)
ok, Villone should probably be taken out if he keeps hitting people. Not because men are getting on base cause really, it’s 11-0. But it’s dangerous to keep hitting guys!
I’m seriously praying Villone gets a suspension for beaning that guy
did markakis just get.. markakised!
@KAJ:
Umm. . .my point was that Kennedy didn’t have his best stuff – or anywhere close to it – last night. If he’d gone out there tonight, against a major league quality lineup instead of AAA Buffalo, he would have been rocked harder. Like Karstens hard.
(excuse any innuendos I may have made)
Pete ask any scout or stathead, and they will tell you the following: Jeff Karstens is not a major league starting pitcher. Joe asks neither, that’s why he’s starting.
Rebecca – Just think, though…A win tonight (coupled with a Boston loss) would have put us only 3 games out in the division. If that happened, Peter Gammons might have thrown himself off the top of the ESPN building…
Lester looks like he pitched a great game tonight, but Tampa made him throw like 10 pitches in his final two innings. I’m not all that impressed. I’m certainly not scared.
Geeze BJ Upton, you own us and now you K, Thanks!
Use up the offense tonight Birds
Two more innings for TB to hold off the Sox and we won’t lose any ground in the division. Through the top of Boston’s order. . .
did Kay just say “no runs, no hits?” Did he just forget about Millar’s home run, or did I imagine it?
Make Farnsy pitch the 8th.
Neil B. ..I don’t agree with you, but that’s OK..we’re cool.
MILLAHHHHHHH
Dave,
I don’t think Clemens was taken off the active roster so, they won’t have to make a move to plug him in.
I have been charting the Scranton game and they are into the 8th and neither Edwar nor Britton has pitched.
Perhaps the Yankees called Scranton and told them to hold off pitching one or both guys because they will be needed in NY.
You have to think Brower and Karstens are done after this one.
Villone only survives because he is lefthanded. They don’t have any other options to replace him.
Chicago Dave–I know, but still better 4 back instead of 5 back
Wow Granderson what a catch.
Enjoy the race everyone, we have played our tails off to be this close, this is AWESOME!
im sorry but all these kids theyre showing are hideous
@KAJ: Thanks for being civil. That quality is lacking on this board.
Hahahahaha Millar helps us out by walking off a few nights ago, and then shows us he doesn’t play favorites. Geez.
SJ,
Agreed, but they should never let Villone come in with runners on. He allows almost 50% of inherited runners to score!
Good point Ricky.
If the Yankees owed Karstens a start, what exactly do they owe each of us who watched him pitch tonight now?
Can Graeme Lloyd still pitch? I’d rather have him then Villone right about now… (wishful thinking, I know!!!)
Ricky Rios
August 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
If the Yankees owed Karstens a start, what exactly do they owe each of us who watched him pitch tonight now?
ONE BEER EACH !
neil since when has millar favorited the yanks
all im asking for is no shut out
They should force Karstens to listen to his own start…painful.
Wow, over six hundred comments. Couple quick notes. One, Karstens had no business making the start tonight and everyone in here knew it. Well. Most did. Two, the Red Sox have a serious problem with the bats which may or may not be their eventual downfall. I’m hoping, of course, that it will be.
who came up with the bizzare notion that there are such things as “giveaway games?”
I love Roger Maris.
guys: upside is david ortiz is done this year NO MORE MR PAPI
Pete-Abe, the question is not whether Karstens deserved a start or whether he’s a decent pitcher or whether he has the heart of a lion– none of these can be gainsaid.
The question is why the Yankees thought they would get a better start from Karstens, a control pitcher who hasn’t started in weeks nor even thrown a pitch in 8 days than from a AAA pitcher, Kennedy or otherwise, who pitched regularly and who would be pitching on his scheduled day.
This argument about the 40-man roster seems like a red-herring– like some pedantic excuse a lawyer resorts to when he knows an argument is lost.
Do you mean to tell me that the Yankee cannot find some creative tactic for finagling the roster or alternatively, can’t endure losing Kevin Reese because of all the teams that poised to claim him on waivers? Come on, I expect such nonesense from Cashman. I wouldn’t think a cynical, seasoned beat writer would discern casuistry when he sees it.
But even still, Karstens isn’t the worst of it. Why, in god’s name, is Jim Brower on the major league roster? It seems self-evident reason why he’s a 34-yr-old career minor leaguer. Is he really a better option than Ohlendorf, Edwar Ramirez, or Brian Bruney. Bruney was exasperating, I concede, but at least he has major league fastball.
Let’s hope tonight puts an end to Cashman’s Brower fixation.
Alright, Tampa Bay suddenly has a bullpen tonight! They still lead 1-0 going to the ninth!!
SJ44: if they clip Karstens/Brower tonight, who would be the long man?
And…who would be the choice if they need a spot starter?
that is the first time i havent seen jeter smile in the past month…. sad
@Boston Yankee: He never has, he never has. I know. Sheesh. I was just trying to point out the irony.
I cannot believe Andy Phillips is hitting cleanup.
BoSux put Gagne in.
This could be a lot of fun.
Chicago,
even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
Chicago they still have 3 outs to get. Lets not celebrate yet.
I loved that Phil flip play!
Will Gagme, gag some more runs?
Andrea – Did you read “Ball Four” by Jim Bouton? Bouton essentially calls Maris a d-bag in that book. Who knows if that’s actually true, but it is interesting to know that not everyone thought he was such a great guy…
Gag-me in for Bahhstin. Booed heavily.
The Yankees lost a game to Toronto last week (by 11 runs) with Wang on the hill. How did Torre lose that one as well? To all those new to baseball, some days you just get your butt kicked. I know some people like to think it’s College Football where you try to run out an undefeated schedule every season.
Joe has to manage to win the war, not every battle. It’s very telling that in the last 15 games the Yankees are an insane 12-3 and the only 3 losses have been bad losses where they were killed. In fact, think about this whole 30-10 run — how many of the 10 losses were gut wrenching, horrible losses? I’d say the only “bad” loss was the 3-2 game that Wang lost to Toronto back in July going for the 4 game sweep. Meanwhile, the Red Sox have had 2 miserable, gut-wrenching losses in the past 5 days alone (with hopefully a 3rd tonight!)
Tonight the Yanks will shower, go home and not even give this game a thought. What about Boston if they lose?
I vote for Guidry as the lefty specialist. He can still throw his slider!
Gagne now in for the Sox and the fans gave him the Farnsworth Treatment (booing him) as he came into the game.
Any idea if Jorge will start tomorrow. I’m assuiming he will since he’s had 3 days off, plus he was removed early.
haha SJ, lets get Donnie at 1B too.
oh of course got you neil
I feel really good about Tampa’s chances of holding on now!!
Damn Gagme got an out.
Brower is Torre’s fault. You really think Cashman wouldn’t promote Britton if he could?
Chicago: I haven’t read that. I know a lot of people didn’t like Maris. But I’m an underdog girl, so I think the more I read about how much some hated him, the more I’ll love him.
the yanks literally conceded this game before the first pitch was thrown. how can you do that when you’r fighting for a playoff berth?
imo, karstens, rasner, desalvo all suck and should never ever see the majors again.
SJ44 – Ooohh, yes…give me Guidry in his prime! Not THAT’S a quality lefty for ‘ya!!
Was the first pitch to Young as far out side as it appeared.
GAGME is in to pitch the 9th !!! SWEET …Put one on the board for Tampa !…
Rasner does not suck. He has done nothing wrong in the major leagues. His ERA this year was 4.01. He is what he is, a half-decent 5/spot starter. But by no means does he suck.
I don’t think we will see rasner anytime soon.
Struck out the first two hitters. Can’t Tampa Bay do anything else right?!?
Wouldn’t it be funny if Farnsie had a 1 2 3?
Wow how far he has falled. Mop up duty. Who wants to be he will have a 1-2-3.
Gagme does his best to give up the HR…but it is only a double…..LOL !!!
First time all year I’m not nervous they brought Farnsworth in to pitch the 8th.
Uh-oh, Gagne is showing signs of snapping out of it tonight. OK, so two Ks followed by a double (so far), but that’s still better than he has been!
farns eat some innings
That is *BET*
Torre doesn’t make personnel decisions. He has zero say in them. Please, he is “at fault for Brower”.
He probably had never met Jim Brower in his life until he walked into the clubhouse.
class is in session!
that sounded like shock when he got an out
What I have been waiting for all night..a Kyle Farnsworth appearance! Go get them Birds of Baltimore, big guy!!
Now pray to the baseball gods that Tampa’s pen holds this.
3 Ks for Gagne. Still, you had to expect he would snap out of it at some point, right?
gagme struck out 3 and farnsworth is having a good inning. Whats happenin?
ron did you seriously just say that cashman couldnt promote a guy cause of torre. WHAT okay thats it you are out of control
what. the. …. …..
Should I laugh or cry?
Holy Cow! Farns smoked that inning!
I think we just saw today’s silver lining, folks!
he also gave up a double, that was nearly a HR
I simply refuse to believe that Cashman is responsible for some of the assanine personnel moves of the past four years. Because all of the bad players become Torre favorites, and don’t leave until they cost the Yankees games.
That’s not Cashman, who has built up this farm system from nothing, and tried to acquire young talent from outside the organization. That’s textbook Clueless Joe.
Farny looked good. Maybe he can help after all. Or get himself traded.
Well what a shock. The game is out of hand and Kyle decides to throw a 1-2-3. I’d be curious to find out how many of his clean innings were in blow outs.
In some sense, today was a success. Karstens and Brower got themselves DFAed, while Villone and Farnsworth got enough playing time to get them by for a while. Now only Viz/Joba/Mo will be used tomorrow, which is really how it should be every single night. What a shallow bullpen. Sigh.
now you guys are really out of control this whole “blame torre ” thing is ridiculous and stupid
If Reyes gets Manny out, we should be fine…
well atleast FARNSY is raising his value
Come on Reyes, I know you can do it!!!
Don’t count your chickens.
rebecca: i believe the proper reaction is laughter until crying
BY: He acquired Britton, so he obviously likes him. Britton has pitched well. So why isn’t he in the big leagues?
Joe Torre has unfortunately earned the right to control his roster. Cashman would never have brought up Brower before Britton. Absolutely not.
You might think I’m crazy, but I’m just not blinded by an irrational love of one of the games’ worst tactical managers.
boston yankee: Okay. I shall now proceed to do so.
ron i think youre looking for the scapegoat and are dumping more on torre so you can isolate the scapegoating
C’mon Al Reyes…
You used to be a Yankee.. hook us up
manny struck out
That’s a good start!!!
uh oh tie game
sigh.
Yep, Manny struck out…and not a single pitch in the sequence was faster than 85mph! Manny must be feeling his years…
lowell hits a hr. damn him
NO!
MIKE LOWELL I HATE YOU!
boston tied it up… i snoozed howed matsui get on?
Pete-Abe, the question is not whether Karstens deserved a start or whether he’s a decent pitcher or whether he has the heart of a lion—- that, no one can deny.
The question is why the Yankees thought they would get a better start from Karstens, a control pitcher who hasn’t started in weeks nor even thrown a pitch in 8 days than from a AAA pitcher, Kennedy or someone else, who pitched regularly and who would be pitching on his scheduled day.
This argument about the 40-man roster seems like a red-herring, like some pedantic excuse a lawyer resorts to when he knows an argument is lost.
Do you mean to tell me that the Yankee cannot find some creative tactic for finagling the roster or alternatively, can’t endure losing Kevin Reese because 28 teams stand poised to claim him on waivers?
Come on, I expect such nonsense from Cashman. I would think a cynical, seasoned beat writer could discern casuistry when he sees it.
But even still, Karstens isn’t the worst of it.
Why, in god’s name, is Jim Brower on the major league roster? It seems self-evident why he’s a 34-yr-old career minor leaguer. Is Brower really a better option than Ohlendorf, Edwar Ramirez, or Brian Bruney. Bruney was exasperating, I concede, but at least he has major league fastball.
Let’s hope tonight puts an end to Cashman’s Brower fixation.
Cashman endures a considerable amount of unfair criticism. But he is an awfully reactionary GM. Why did it take so long, for example, to realize that his bullpen was awful, on the one hand, and on the other to do anything about it. Why did it take so long for the organization, for example, to promote Chamberlain?
Mike Lowell just homered in the bottom of the 9th! Crap.
What did I say about NOT counting your chickens!!
mike lowell…damnit
Mike Lowell?!?!?!?!?!?
Tampa literally has one of the worst bullpens in baseball history.
BP’s Christina Kahrl on Joe Torre:
The release of Cairo, like the decision to pick up Betemit, demonstrates that Brian Cashman’s best tool in fixing this team is take away the toys Joe Torre likes to play with, and replace them with better toys. This isn’t about the manager’s comfort zone, it’s about winning the division, and the longer any vestige of that sort of haphazard, downright slack management style remains in play, the more the front office should be asking itself how long it can indulge this behavior.
Sounds like a three-year old, not a major league manager. Can’t give him small toys he might swallow.
god if that tampa hit had been a homer not a double… that would have been so much better
Joe Torre doesn’t “control the roster”. If he did, do you think they would have traded Proctor and they would have DFA’ed two of his favorite players (Myers and Cairo) in the last two weeks?
He has no personnel say. None. Don’t believe me? E-mail Pete and ask him how much input he has on the roster.
You are blinded by your irrational hatred of the man when you say things that simply aren’t true.
Do you honestly believe Torre vetoes Brian Cashman on personnel decisions? Cashman has 100% control of ALL baseball decisions, which includes personnel.
Torre manages the players he is given. That’s the scope of his responsibilities
Yeah, Reyes is about to walk Youkilis, too…Tampa is definitely losing this one.
Good let Detroit, Cleveland and Boston play extra innings. Still only get to pick up one game on the Yankees. Wear those bullpens out, especially Detroit prior to Thursday.
Mike “I perform the hidden ball trick” Lowell. What the hell.
Ok. Ignore Lowell. Ignore Boston.
Focus people. Farnsworth just had a ONE TWO THREE!!!!
I’ve hated Torre for four years. This is nothing new. The Yankees have been winning in spite of his terrible management since 2003, maybe 2002.
Can you say: FELIX HEREDIA?
Why are they putting Viz in? Bad, bad decision, we need him for tomorrow!
Kyle F threw like 9 pitches in that inning, why is Clueless Joe using Viz for the 9th? Geeez.
Are you serious Joe? Vizcaino here?
The Scranton game is over and neither Britton nor Edwar pitched. Veras came in for the save and Ohlendorf pitched two innings of relief.
Wouldn’t surprise me if one or both of them are in NY tomorrow. They are going to need at least one more arm in the ‘pen for tomorrow.
Felix Heredia and his six fingers…Always thought that was pretty creepy! He was like an extra from “Total Recall”!!!
Then Cashman has bi-polar disorder, because he makes some moves that fit right in with his organizational philosophy and others that just happen to fit Torre’s idiocy to a “t”.
Strange coincidence. And I wouldn’t trust anything Pete says about Torre. He’s already shown he doesn’t have the ability to be impartial on A-Rod, Phelps, and Clueless Joe.
Why Vizcaino? Why? Give him a second day off for gosh’s sake. Let Farnsworth go two innings. It’s 12-0, he can suck it up. It’s not like he’s a critical part of this team!
odds of the sox losing another heartbreaker?
i dont agree with sj44 much but hes exactly right. dude youre being crazy. hes a great manager who has done a lot if you call him an idiot then i cant take you seriously….
varitek got a double
Can some ardent Joe Torre supporter please defend this move…oh, wait.
THIS MOVE CANNOT BE DEFENDED.
“Veras came in for the save and Ohlendorf pitched two innings of relief.”
I’d love to see them bring up Ohlendorf and give him a shot in the ‘pen.
SJ44 has Ohlendorf pitched alot in relief lately? And How has he done? Possiblity of him getting called up to replace brower?
Red Sox are 1-41 when losing after 8 innings…trouble is, probably none of those games were against Tampa…DANG !
This is absurd. I was joking earlier in the game when I said Viz would definitely pitch because Joe loves using him in blowouts. I cannot believe they are actually using him.
did chicago dave move to boston?
Ughhh…Cocoa Crisp gets the winning hit?…Let’s hope not!
i would love to hear pete defend this. its a 12-0 game and yet the awful farns only goes 1 inning while the good Luis gets used for an inning in garbage time. torre never fails to prove he’s inept with the pen
I can defend it like this. Torre is anticipating the same Hughes as a few days ago in tomorrow’s game. 6 innings of Hughes, 2 of Joba and 1 of Mo. So no need for Viz tomorrow. Any buyers?
Boston Yankee – Nope, I’m still in Chicago, my man! (Dave is such a common name, unfortunately…)
Cashman is not a genius. He is not perfect. He makes mistakes. But to give him all the credit for these inane roster decisions is lunacy. They don’t make any sense given his stated goals. And they correspond perfectly with Torre’s tendencies. That cannot be a coincidence. Torre can’t veto Cashman, but I sure as hell believe that Torre can insist on a player being kept on the roster.
That’s why Miguel effin’ Cairo lasted two years longer than he should have.
Not a fan of Ohlendorf this season. His velocity is way up(97) coming oout of the pen, but the results have not been great so far. He still has rather poor control and really needs another pitch besides his power sinker.
d-rays pen is heinously bad…
thought we were going to catch a break
does joe now have farns on a 9 pitch pitch count? farns must be tired with all that use hes been getting.
Ohlendorf has struggled his last few outings out of the bullpen. I don’t see him getting called up before Edwar or Britton. He’s not ready yet, IMO.
Ron August 14th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
Can some ardent Joe Torre supporter please defend this move…oh, wait.
THIS MOVE CANNOT BE DEFENDED.
Ron i am losing my patience you are so irrational. Joe torre has bad bullpen management i have said that over and over there is a difference between having weaknesses and being an idiot.
ugh. crisp
Coco > Melky
I HATE BOSTON
bad throw= red spx win… who lets varitek score on a single
Also Joe is setting up the positive momentum for tomorrow. Anyone?
Al Reyes hates the Yankees!
**40** soon to be **39**
Hopefully this will all be rendered moot when Ramirez and Britton join the team, and Torre runs out of awful veterans.
Crisp singles, Tek scores, Bosux win. Bummer.
guys it was a single right to the outfielder and varitek scored from second… WOW
yanks need tampa to win these games or there’s no chance for the division… yanks will take 4 of 6 heads up but still
Hilarious stuff, BTW, in case anyone cares at all:
I’m watching the Houston Dynamo – Pachuca match (semifinals of the Superliga tournament). Houston’s Dwayne De Rosario receives a pass and kicks it. . .
*off his own face*. . .
and into the net. 1-0 Houston. A bizarre goal.
Maybe Seattle will lose….
I’m going to be very happy when I can forget about today.
We’ll be fine. The lead is still only 5 games. That’s much easier to overcome than 14 and a half!!
YanksSox – Give me Melky any day of the week and twice on Sunday over an outfielder named after a breakfast cereal who looks like the bastard pup of a retarded Chihuahua!!!
Maybe idiot is strong. But the man’s bullpen usage is idiotic. As is his choice of spot starters.
This isn’t about second-guessing. This is about first-guessing.
Did someone seriously start a magic number count? haha that’s pathetic.
YOU GUYS ARE MORONS!! LOL LOL LOL LOL
BOSTON PLAYS WITH HEART!!! THE YANKS PLAY WITH KARSTENS!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!
THE YANKS BELIEVE IN GIVEAWAY GAMES! LOL
LOL AT KAJ!!!!
for some reason delmon young was playing fairly deep in right, 2 strikes, and almost no chance of crisp hitting a deep fly to the opposite field. still had a chance with a great throw but thats the devil rays for you.
The Tampa Bay Devil Rays suck. Their ineptitude is going to make it very difficult to make up a lot of ground on Boston.
No other choice, Peter?
Farnsworth threw 9 pitches in the 8th.
C’mon now.
You have got to be kidding me?
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Sux win.
NO way, maybe this takes them out of their doldrums, but hey we might score a single run go us!!
SMITH is back… His probation officer must be slacking off again.
Once again Pete, your right.. It must be okay to take a gamble on a pitcher “we owe” right in the middle of a pennant race. Big deal if we lose a game on Boston, oh waittttt it’s not okay, we need to win every game.
Coco > Melky? Are you kidding?!?!?!?!?
HOW BOUT THOSE SOX!!!!!
GUTTY, GRITTY AND ALL DETERMINATION!!!
AND THEN THERE’S THE YANKS! LOL!
boston dave are you in as much awe as i am!!! seriously!
“Give me Melky any day of the week and twice on Sunday over an outfielder named after a breakfast cereal who looks like the bastard pup of a retarded Chihuahua!!!”
Well if you put them together you get the perfect start to any day, milk and cereal.
I am just giving you a hard time, if you read any of my posts today I said Melky was better than Coco this year.
Wow- bad day all around. Melky’s hitting streak ends now too. (From the comfort of my house – had to leave, between the score, my daughter complaining about not finding the cotton candy guy and the woman next to me fighting with her mother over the cell phone, it was all I could take. Left at the end of the 6th and was home before the end of the 7th).
Nice story the Yankees just put up on their website about Jeter and Rizzuto.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Pete, can’t you ban these losers?
One reason why the Yanks are not going to catch the Sox: the Sox have 10 remaining games (25% of the schedule) against the woeful DRays.
Sux Trolls go away, so big deal you will win the division, we at least will lose in the playoffs.
YanksSox – Oh, I know you were kidding…but I couldn’t resist throwing that out there, anyway!
if the yanks win tomorrow, all is forgotten… they were “supposed” to win tonight, and if they were going to lose a game is seems like tomorrow’s the one. 2 out of 3 against guthrie and bedard is very good. a big “if” but they can do it.
seems like maybe the angels will be the ones the yanks are chasing if seattle keeps this up (even jeff weaver is back chipping in)
All I can say to the Boston trolls,
“Pride goeth before the destruction and a haughty spirit before a Fall.”
But if you really want to congratulate yourselves for a World Series once a century and division championship every 12 years, be my guest.
What kind of idiot starts a magic number count on August 14? What’s next, making NFL Playoff Picks after Week 4?!?
Shelley says, 12 runs? Pshaw, that’s nothing!
Farnsworth could have gone a second inning. The argument against it has always been that he isn’t as effective in the second inning. Who cares? It’s 12-0. What if he hurts his back? Again, who cares? He is the last man in the pen now. He never pitches. The pen was set up nicely for tomorrow (Joba, Viz, Mo all available) and now it’s not.
Maybe Bell will walk 15 consecutive batters…that’s happened before, right?
yankssox: i didnt get your sarcasm either i almost went off on you but im trying to stay calm lol… so maybe you should show sarcasm some way like saying lol or something
J-Dawg,
They actually started it back in April. You know the Boston Red Sox, the world champions of April every year!
I’m going to be the first to predict a no-hitter for Phil with 12 Ks. Book it.
This started about a month or so ago. Just reminding all you Yankee fans how long until the end
I hope these trolls aren’t payback for things that Yankee fans are doing on Sawks boards.
Ok crappy day today followed by a crappy night. Let’s go get a good night sleep and go get em tomorrow at 1. Set your DVR’s now people! Win tomorrow, win the series, then get ready for the big bad Tigers on Thursday. Game on.
J-Dawg: CELTS CLINCH DIVISION!
Shelley scores 12 runs every time he hits the plate.
Thank you Roger Clemens for getting yourself suspeneded and allowing the Red Sox to make up a game in the standings. We couldn’t have done it without ya Rog
tonyb: There are enough drunken fratboy Sawx fans that don’t require any provocation.
there is nothing like turning of michael kay and turning on vin scully… its like slipping into a warm bath after rolling in the snow naked or jumping into a bed just made with clean/warm sheets on christmas eve… GOD DAMN IM POETIC!
5 games big deal, we will be in firt place by Friday.
Boston won 2 – 1 and only scored the two runs in the 9th. They were playing a team with a .331 win percentage.
Boston has to play weak teams to win as they just don’t have the offense to win against anyone else right now with the sputtering offense they put out there.
Sure they get hits, but they can’t bring them home.
I can’t wait till we meet them at the end of the month.
NO game is meaningless! Every game gives us a chance to watch our boys play some great baseball! Ok, so tonight wasn’t great baseball. It wasn’t even GOOD baseball, but we got to see Melky make some GREAT plays, and Farnsy had a 1-2-3 inning. That’s a few moments of great baseball!
TONYB: ME AS WELL
Tom August 14th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Thank you Roger Clemens for getting yourself suspeneded and allowing the Red Sox to make up a game in the standings. We couldn’t have done it without ya Rog
I agree but if a rod stays cause he feels that people here respect him cause of it. ITS WORTH IT!
OK, I’m going to bed early people…Been a long day and I’m tired of watching the Sox fans fellate one another. If only they could express a single intelligent thought or write a single intelligent sentence, but I guess that’s wishing for the stars. I knew the American public school system was in trouble, but it’s REALLY failing miserably in Beantown. Must be the rampant incest…
Oh well, let’s get back at ‘em tomorrow!!!
steve phillips was right. pitching wins the division and boston has better pitching.
steve phillips is a baffoon. he later contradicted himself saying that atlanta would win because they have the best offense and that’s what it will take. he then said the rockies would win the wildcard because of their offense. according to his theory, shouldnt san diego be his pick?
he is a no-talent who is trying to create controversy by making the unpopular picks so people will watch him and get worked up.
“yankssox: i didnt get your sarcasm either i almost went off on you but im trying to stay calm lol…”
yeah I just figured most people saw the 200 post chat today between me and about 40 Yank fans…
I will be sure to let people know of my sarcasm in the future
\not being sarcastic
Steve Phillips it the biggest moron on the face of the planet, even a blind squirrel catrches a nut sometimes.
But you know what I learned this year?
the games in April and May DO COUNT, and we sucked then, and thats were we lost the season.
I swear to GOD ILL never again say The early games dont count to rationalize my pain and agony when we suck away the first two months of the season year after year, we blew it big time
isnt it sad how sports bring people apart me and my best friend are fighting about yanks red sox… : ( damn hes dumb : )
Chicago Dave, the one who posts the most in here is actually from Rochester, NY.
lol okay no sarcasm no sorry yanks sox i didnt see a talk. what talk? and i dont understand your posting name
Great point Andrea. As Pete said, we can’t have expected to win EVERY game from here to the end of the season. So here was a loss. They’ll go again tomorrow, and then the day after that, etc. And Melky showed why he is going to be a great center fielder. Farnsworth shows us there may in fact be potential there. Maybe. And Boston will continue their end of the season decline. We will be in the playoffs. As we’ve said all season, that’s why the game is 162 games long.
wow. the fear has taken on a life of its own. we have redSUX trolls prowling and ready to strike because we lost a game for the first time in a month. how sad for them.
tough game, tough day for yankee fans. here’s to phil turning it around for us tomorrow.
*rip scooter #10*
Lori: THANK you! At least someone is listening to me!
say it aint so marius?!?! oh no the scandal!
guys… what happened to andrea she hasnt been around has she?
Farnsworth seemed to be more effective than both Karstens and Brower, and even Villone today. If the Yankees are stuck with him, though it may sound scary, maybe he should be given another chance to pitch some important innings?
OMG chicago dave – LMAO! brilliant post.
assuming detroit wins the division and the yanks take the ‘card, who do you think is a better opponent for the yanks in the divisional series? (angels or tigers) ?
p.s. twins up 2-0
pssst, guys, I heard Boston Yankee caught markakis in the back of a van in a parking lot at fenway.
Shirley: Maybe the rest did him some good? maybe that’s all he needed–a big, long rest.
Our season now rests in Matt Garza’s hands. God help us please. Last I heard there were still 6 weeks of baseball left.
Andrea–I think you make some of the most coherent posts on this blog!
Yea, I know I’m new, but still!
And Minnesota’s up 2 0 right now. Still early, but a hopeful sign.
gee thanks rebecca!!!
and andrea GOD! im kidding i know youre here im just responding to your nobody listening comment
=P Well, she has made me laugh!
smith, i really want to know what you would be shouting in here if and when the yankees win the division. huh??
Boston Yankee,
Good one about the Celts! They will be better, but what’s the deal with talking to Reggie Miller? I guess they’ll be talking to Bird and Robert Parish about returning next!
can anyone give me closers turned into another kind of reliever who was unsuccessful im arguing that gagne will keep sucking with my soxfan friend
Boston Yankee,
Don’t fire Michael Kay and John Sterling, fire Michael Kay an Harold Moskowitz (Sterling’s real name)
I don’t if Lidge was unsuccessful, but I know he wasn’t happy.
You really gotta be kidding me not bringing Farnsworthless back out in the 9th… Unf*in believable, Torre never fails to amaze me with his ineptitude to manage a damn bullpen
k thanks mel… thanks for helping out a fellow fan! i also said kim… who was a closer with arizona then went to the sox apparently. i didnt know he was a closer
Speaking of Steve Phillips, he’s been co-hosting with Michael Kay in Dan Patrick’s old time slot. He actually makes Kay sound lucid and intelligent. lol. Just kidding, Kay is actually growing on me. Like the big kid who never really grows up.
Twins lead the Mariners 3-0 midway through 3.
Today’s loss is kind of expected with Karstens going.
Still, we can not win them all and there will be some losses like this.
Our goal is to win series and we still have a chance to do that. Sure Bedard is very good. He still lost 4 games and has an ERA of 3.11. Yanks could be the ones giving him his 5th loss.
Even if do not win tomorrow, it is not the end of the world and we will still make it to the playoffs.
Apparently, not only can Kyle not go back-to-back games, he can’t go back-to-back innings.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of peripheral stats could have predicted what was going to happen with Karstens this year. His BABIP was extremely low last year. The correction came this season. And Pete, if you want us to respect you as a sports journalist you can’t let your personal feelings get in the way of unbiased reporting by defending Karstens. He is simply not a good pitcher. The Karstens/Brower experiment needs to end immediately.
blog = personal feelings. articles = sports journalsm. this is a blog. This is where we want Pete’s personal feelings.
“Some of you need to get realistic. The Yankees did not feel one game was worth taking a player off the 25-man and 40-man rosters to bring up Ian Kennedy. Beyond that, they owed Karstens a shot. He threw five pitches with a broken leg on April 28. I’ll repeat that, he threw five pitches with a broken leg. He’s also not some bum, he had a very good spring training and an 0.92 ERA in six rehab starts in the minors.”
If they felt they owed him something, maybe they could have given him a check. He’s had no fastball command in either of his long “relief” appearances and it was completely obvious that he would alternate giving up walks and blasts at this level until he got it straightened out. He should have been down after his first long appearance against the White Sox. Kennedy should have started tonight. Brower, Reese, Basak and Thompson wouldn’t have been missing from the Yankee present or future if they got DFA’s for Kennedy. The obvious move would have been DFA Brower for Kennedy and send Karstens to the minors for Edwar. The opportunity has passed, and now we can just hope we don’t see Karstens or Brower with the big club anymore this year.
Hey Pete, when are you going to blame tonight’s loss on A-Rod?
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