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Joe Torre was asked whether the team would get some bullpen help tomorrow. “I’m talking to Cash about that,” he said. “Possibly.”
That’s usually Torre-speak for “Yes.”
The clubhouse was deserted when we got in there. A 12-0 loss and a day game tomorrow does that. But I managed to get Melky Cabrera on his way out. He wasn’t too upset at the demise of his hitting streak.
“I was thinking about it during my last at-bat. But it’s no big deal,” he said. “Eighteen games, that’s pretty good.”
Melky, to his credit, is speaking much better English. Certainly better than my college Spanish.
The Yanks are 4-7 against Baltimore this season. Very strange.
Hey, Seattle is down 3-0. The day may not be a total loss for the Yanks.
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Brower AND Karstens should be on their way OUT!
Bullpen moves should be easy.
Out: Karstens, Brower
In: Britton, Edwar
Normaly I’d say dump Villone too, but we need a lefty and a potential long man and he can be both, even if he’s not too good at it.
For the love of everything that’s Holy…Ramirez and Britton better be called up tommorrow with Brower and Karstens going bye-bye. What more do Britton and Edwar have to do in AAA to get a chance? And how much more of Brower and Karstens does Cashman need to see to realize they are NOT major league pitchers?
karstens, take care, buh bye
Just hope it’s not a case of too little too late.
Phil, pitch your heart out tomorrow! Bleed pinstripes!
Brower and Karstens suck. It’s inexplicable that they were ever on the roster.
I’d do
Out: Karstens, Brower
In: Henn, Edwar
Henn can go more than 2 innings and he is a lefty. I don’t trust Villone all that much.
Hopefully they are smart and give Britton and Ramirez the chance that they deserve. Karstens is not ready for the major leagues…stuff wise or mentally..He was scared to throw strikes and Torre gave up the game by pitching him. Why is Brower even on this team? Torre’s typical love…over the hill, journeyman who is awful and shouldnt be in the majors!! Get this guy out of here he is wasting a roster spot and he wouldnt even make the Devil Rays bullpen.
this is not an “i told you so”, but i knew the second that jeff karstenhs was announced as the pitcher for tonight it was a shellacking….He will never be a ramiro mendoza type. i admore him for trying to pitch with a broken leg in april, and maybe that won joe over, but the brutal truth is he should never see the light of day again in yankee stadium. He should be sent down immediately with jim brower. They both SUCk and im very annoyed about tnoight..can you tell?
Every year it seems either Tampa or Baltimore owns the Yankees. I’m glad that Cashman and or Torre were okay with giving away a a game by having Aaron Small Jr. pitch.
yes melky thats pretty good. do you mean from the minor leagues or the FA market. or a deal? or what?
sean henn is another one who is horrific, id do edwar and chris britton
In all fairness to Karstens, he really wasn’t ready when they brought him up BEFORE his broken leg. He is a gamer, I will give him that, and with more time in the minors he may be worthy to be in the ‘pen.
That said the Yankees should move him out tonight, back to the minors to get his kinks worked out and bring up an arm that is fresh for tomorrows game.
Brower should not be up either.
I don’t care who they send up. Britton, Ramirez, Henn, anyone but Igawa.
THU,
Bringing in Henn is like bringing in a younger Villone. Both are unreliable lefties who can go long if needed. I would prefer calling up Britton who may have a shot at being something better.
Karstens has had no fastball command since he’s been back, and didn’t have any when he was up earlier this season. It was a huge leap of faith to think he could even keep them in the game tonight. The obvious move was Kennedy. It would be better to have him on the 40 now and going forward than it would be to have a few others who are already on the 40.
“Aaron Small Jr. pitch.”
He was a GB pitcher. Karstens is a FB pitcher, which presents greater danger because FB correlate with SLG.
For $46 million, let Igawa work as a lefty/long man. He can’t be much worse than Villone.
Pete,
I liked Karstens’ 2006 contributions as much as the next guy.
I truly feel for how his 2007 has gone.
However, the fact of the matter is that Karstens has to go to AAA until at least September 1st.
There’s a number of reasons why, not the least of which is his ineffectiveness and the fact that he won’t be able to pitch again for a few days.
Brower, God bless his soul (especially since he just had a kid), may be the salt of the earth. However, he has been ineffective in MLB and he probably won’t be available to pitch for a few days, either.
Both men have to go. I would like to see Britton and Edwar up, though somehow I don’t think will be called by Cashman (I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees wanted someone who can serve as a long man, especially after today).
But yes, Karstens and Brower have to go.
i truly love what cashmoney has done with the young pitching, but i think he really missed the boat tonight. There would have been ZERO pressure on ian kennedy tonight, a proverbial “one shot deal” and back to the minors. But no, you pitch jeff karstens, because joe feels secure with him. The results speak for themself.
mariners are now losing 6-1
whew!
for the record: i am not the JT that suggested Igawa be given the left reliever role
Who cares about the Mariners…by the end of the month, they will be Boston’s problem…We will get this game back AND 2 more by Sunday, mark my words….Good Night, ALL !
Mike, they won’t call up Britton and Edwar in place of Karstens and Brower since those two can give them innings. I like Britton more than Henn but I know if you get into trouble liek today or Clemens game agaisnt the white sox, it could ruin our pen by not having another guy who can give innings. Just my idea though.
Jonathan,
So, you would have made a change to the 40 man roster (requiring a DFA), used up one of Kennedy’s options, and started his Free Agency/Arbitration clock early all for a one time only start folwed by a trip back to the minors?
“they won’t call up Britton and Edwar in place of Karstens and Brower since those two can give them innings.”
Seriously? Incredibly lousy innings don’t count.
It is strange that Baltimore is 7-4 against the Yankees. Some matchups just don’t go the way they look on paper. It reminds me of the ‘05 season when we had so much trouble with the Devil Rays.
I would not mind seeing Brower, Karstens and Villone all sent down, with Kennedy, Britton and Ramirez coming up.
take a look at the 40 man roster monkeypants, there is so much dead weight its not even funny. No one in the league wwould touch a kevin reese for example. Also, this is the yankees we are talking about. Who cares about the damn arbitration clocks? If the kid is good we will pay him down the road anyways! that is something the devil rays worry about when they didnt call up delmon young last year. NOt us…remember who we are
I’ve got to agree on the arb clock – I doubt that this was a material reason for not calling up Kennedy.
“There would have been ZERO pressure on ian kennedy tonight, a proverbial “one shot dealâ€? and back to the minors. But no, you pitch jeff karstens, because joe feels secure with him. The results speak for themself.”
lost in all of this drama is the fact that the yankees scored ZERO runs on 2 hits.
wouldn’t have mattered if Kennedy pitched.
it was better they saved the roster move. they were going to lost tonight no matter what.
karstens and brower “took one for the team”. and they will be gone tomorrow.
it’s one loss. if Seattle loses, it’s really not a big deal.
i know Boston won, but this is why it’s going to be so hard to catch them. they are playing TB. to catch them, the yankees basically have to win every single game b/c TB is worthless. and that’s just not realistic.
the yankees will hopefully win between 92-95 games and that will be enough to make the playoffs.
edwar should be here tomorrow. and fresh from not pitching in this sh*tfest tonight.
Those of you calling for Kennedy are jumping the gun. Just because Hughes and Chamberlin are ready doesn’t make Kennedy ready also. He is way more of a finesse pitcher than the others, also why mess with his head for 1 start? He should be left in AAA to finish out the year and than maybe next year compete for a rotation spot. You can’t bring him up for 1 start and than what? Are you going to convert him to the pen with no relief experience or just send him back to AAA to really mess with his head?
As others have said Edwar, and Britton/Henn need to be called up. Kartsens is looking like a 12th pitcher on a team like the Rays, and Brower is not the answer either.
Who cares about Kennedy’s arbitration clock? He would have been here soon enough anyways. As has been pointed out numerous times tonight, Kevin Reese and Chris Basak are on the 40 man roster. Would anyone care if they were desingated for Kennedy? Who would have cared if they sent down Karstens or DFA’d Villone or Brower? Kennedy was the way to go, no doubt.
Jeff Karstens has allowed 33 baserunners in 13.2 IP.
Neither the Yankees, nor any team in a pennant race owe someone with that level of ineffectiveness a chance. Thank him for trying his best and send him on his way.
hmmm….does one take into account that a team gets deflated when a subpar pitcher puts them into an early hole?
we are dicounting that maybe kennedy would have given this team a lift along the lines of a hughes or chaimberlain?
also, i’m pretty sure not going with Kennedy was NOT solely a Cashman decision.
i am sure he asked the coaches at Scranton if they thought he was ready and i’m sure they asked Contreras.
they may have simply thought he wasn’t ready.
i love how it is now a given that Kennedy would have come up and won tonight. i’d bet a large sum he would have gotten knocked around.
why? b/c the O’s have knocked around every single pitcher the Yankees have this season. including Wang, Clemens, and Rivera.
why should Kennedy be any different?
“lost in all of this drama is the fact that the yankees scored ZERO runs on 2 hits.”
Lost in your “analysis” is the recognition that the Yankees likely would have scored runs if the game was close. When the game got out of hand, they mailed it in.
“Who cares about Kennedy’s arbitration clock?”
Ummm, the team would probably be better off not burning a whole year of his arbitration clock for one start. You know, a whole season of him starting v. one start this year. Sorta makes sense to me, but what do I know,
did the O’s knock around chaimberlain?
Dude its the Yankees. I don’t think they are too worried about his arbitration clock.
“did the O’s knock around chaimberlain?”
chamberlain is not a pitcher, he is a deity.
Brower must go – take care of your baby. Edwar in.
Hopefully Villone goes too. I think I’ve had quite enough of any ‘veterans’ not called Vizcaino.
Farnsworth gets a 1-2-3 inning and struck people out? I didn’t know that was possible.
we agree on that point hmmm
“hmmm….does one take into account that a team gets deflated when a subpar pitcher puts them into an early hole?”
perhaps.
but it’s not like Cabrera hasn’t done this to them before.
when he is on like that, he is almost unhittable.
JerseyJohn,
This is a moot point now, but spot starts by minor league pitchers are not exactly Chinese drip torture.
Just this year, the Yanks called up Chase Wright and Matt De Salvo (to name some), and while neither was particularly good, it’s not like they’ve turned into Charlie Manson or anything…..
“There would have been ZERO pressure on ian kennedy tonight”
Is that what you think?
Making your major league baseball debut. In Yankee Stadium. In the middle of a pennant race in mid-August.
ZERO pressure, huh? Sure.
“Lost in your “analysisâ€? is the recognition that the Yankees likely would have scored runs if the game was close. When the game got out of hand, they mailed it in.”
Right, just like they mailed it in on August 2, when they were down 8-0 to the White Sox in the top of the second, but tied the game in the bottom of the second.
So now, Kennedy is so good that he can keep the Orioles from scoring AND make the Yankees score.
Who the hell knows what would have happened if Kennedy had pitched? IMO, which doesn’t matter at all, Kennedy would have given the Yanks the best chance to win.
dontfirecash, that is my point-a much better chance than jeff karstens
Correct, we don’t know what would have happened.
Hughes, who is arguably at least as good as Kennedy, made his MLB debut in Yankee Stadium earlier this season and stunk the joint out against Toronto. In a game where the Yanks were shut out anyway.
The point to all this is the Yankees were dominated tonight. They just have to move on. The same thing could just have easily happened if their #1 (Wang) was on the mound. Oh wait….it did happen, just last week.
“IMO, which doesn’t matter at all, Kennedy would have given the Yanks the best chance to win.”
maybe. but that assumes there were NO good reasons for not starting him.
which we don’t know.
could simply be that Nardi said it would be a bad idea for whatever reason. we don’t know what his coaches voted for.
i mean, do you really think that we know more than the decision makers?
the Yankees LOVE Ian Kennedy. it’s not like Cashman doesn’t know that Kennedy is a better pitcher than Karstens.
they know. but they had their reasons.
tonight was a crapfest. it happens. they have bigger problems with Bedard tomorrow.
Fact is, the Yankees lost a game tonight that, if Clemens had been pitching, they would have had a better chance, on paper to win.
Fact is, on paper, numbers mean squat–Yanks are 4-7 against the O’s, but swept(!!) the Indians, and beat the pulp out of the White Sox, Twins and Royals. 23-7 vs AL Central Teams, and we’ve still got the Tigers to go. And the Central, lest people forget, was on paper supposed to be the best division in baseball.
Fact is, tomorrow…okay, technically today…the Yanks have Phil Hughes on the mound, Joba and Mo in the ‘pen.
Fact is, we might, in fact lose the division by one game, but…
Fact is, there’s no way to know if it was the game last night, or one of those games in April and May, when we were 21-29. Fact is, if we had been even .500 then, we’d be in first now by a considerable margin.
Fact is, Minnesota’s up on Seattle 8-1, so
fact is, by the time this is all said and done, by the time we all wake up, it’s likely that at most we’ll have lost one game in division.
Fact is, five games is not insurmountable, and it’s certainly not 14.5 games, and it’s LESS than the Yankees had to overcome in ‘78.
Fact is, anything can happen.
Wed matinee is a must win.I agree Brower should be DFA and Britton called up.Karstens optioned and Henn recalled
Thank you, Rebecca, couldn’t have said it any better.
I’ll add this Rebecca….
Fact is, on this very date, just two years ago, the Yankees trailed the Red Sox by 5 games in the loss column.
Any updates on the Draft picks?
Darrin–Ooh, I don’t remember that! I had other things on my mind then, I think, but certainly good to know!
Mel–thanks =)
I can’t get too bent out of shape by the loss, between winning 9 of the prior 10 and the loss of Rizzuto (how about Cannoli Night at the Stadium?) .
as for the Orioles 7-4 record against the yanks: The O’s have sucked for years now. They hit bottom a few years back and where do you go from there but up? Bedard is one of the best in the AL, Guthrie has pitched well against NY, and Cabrera came within a few outs of a no-no against the Yanks last september. And Brian Roberts seems to kill the yanks at some point every series. Games have been getting more competitive between these 2 teams the last two years. If Angelos drops out of the picture and better management steps in, they could be a team to watch for in a few years.
Rebecca,
That’s a great point and well said about how the Yankees don’t face an enormous deficit. We are in much better shape than we were in May and there are several teams right now who would love to be in our position, such as the Devil Rays, Rangers, Royals, and all of the other teams who have little to no hope. I believe in our team and I know we have a great group of players who have what it takes to get the job done!
And we managed to catch Boston in ‘05 with a starting rotation of Moose, rookie Wang, Shaky Randy Johnson, Shawn Chacon and an Aaron Small/Al Leiter combo. Good God, if nothing else we’ve upgraded the starting rotation.
Frankly, I think passing Boston will be tough. But I really wouldn’t mind getting in as Wild Card. I’m sick and tired of the Yankees being eliminated by Wild Card teams (Angels in ‘02, Marlins in ‘03, Sox in ‘04, Tigers in ‘06).
J-Dawg–Yep! It’s only the Sox Trolls bringing out things such as magic numbers, which I don’t pay attention to until they’re under 10. Let the Sox fans gloat now; we’ll be gloating in October!
Darrin–I’m not sure if ‘upgraded’ is a strong enough term! I would love to get back to the ALCS–especially an ALCS against Boston, if need be. There’s some serious payback needs doing!
(Though, if we get lucky and Cleveland/Detroit KOs Boston and we KO the Angels and we play an AL Central team in the ALCS, it would be pretty cool…)
And also in ‘05 we had to have spot starts from Tanyon Sturtze, Scott Proctor, and Tim Redding! The Wild Card would be fine because we may have to end up resigning ourselves to the fact that the Red Sox could make the playoffs anyway (not yet, but possibly eventually).
…I have to remember that –is code for strikethrough– ….
The Rizzuto story had to bug the players a bit. Its quite sad to see him go.
This could all have been avoided if Clemens appealed his suspension. We keep forgetting that, apparently.
Chrissake, what a sobfest on here tonight.
The offense was due to roll snake eyes eventually and there was a pretty good chance that Karstens on irregular rest would get it handed to him. The fact both things happened on one night tells me our luck is still running strong.
Factor in that Brower punched his ticket for permanent maternity leave without blowing an otherwise winnable game, Farnsworth pitched well and may be on the road back, and Cleveland is softening up Detroit for the weekend, and there were actually a couple of positives.
(Alright, I’m busting b*lls on the Farnsworth one. Still, chin up Yankee fans.)
All of this discussion about how using Kennedy was the move they had to make for tonight is misguided..
People who didn’t know who he was before two weeks ago are now certain he was going to win tonight and that calling him up was imperative.
Just to note, Kennedy threw one of the “worst” games of his career last night. Now given how good he’s been that’s not too bad – three runs in 6 innings. He only struck out 1 and walked 4 (one intentional).
However, his command was very shaky – he was behind all night.
If he had thrown that game yesterday in the majors he would have gotten pounded and everyone would say he was an overrated flop.
Kennedy’s development is nearly as critical to the organization’s future as Joba and Phil’s. You don’t just toy with that for one spot start. He’s more of a finesse pitcher and if he’s called up before it’s right it could set him back considerably.
You call up Rasner’s and Karsten’s for spot starts but not blue chip prospects. There’s no point in bringing them up just to send them down.
When Kennedy is ready they should give him a spot in the rotation and keep him in it.
guys, If Kennedy were already on the 40 he probably would have made the start. but for one start they were not gonna risk losing someone off the 40 that wouldnt clear waivers. There are 5 people on the 60 day DL. OK 4 American Idle doesnt count.
And Relax it is one game. Sometimes you have to risk losing a battle to win a war.
Just some meaningless historical drivel for the faithful…..
Many would say this Yankee team is a better version than the 2005 version. I would agree.
Thru 119 games in ‘05:
The Yanks were 65-54 (two games worse than their current pace). They trailed the Red Sox by 4.5 for the AL East, and were 1.5 behind Oakland for the Wild Card.
They played their final 43 games at 30-13.
I’ll take it.
I am in SF and at a hotel with internet problems so I will keep it short. I am no genius but I have been saying for weeks they need 1 more arm in the pen minimum..
SO Torre aND cAshman hopefully have finally figured it out.. Karstens is nothing and when a guy with his stuff walks people it is the kiss of death. Edwar and Britton up and if they fai try Bruney again etc…
I did not see any of the game so no comments on the game but thank god seattle and Clev. lost..
I think everyone’s being a little rough on Villone. He’s not lights out, but he really hasn’t been terrible by any stretch. Look at his numbers. Again, if a better option came along, that’d be fine, but I wouldn’t put Villone in the same boat as Karstens and Brower(and I agree they need to be sent down). Just look at Villone’s numbers if you’re going on the “he kills me every time he’s out there” stats. Also, tonight’s performance, you have to remember it was 11-0 when the guy went in and he gave up 1 run on 3 hits and a walk over 2 innings in essentially a mop-up role. His job there was just to move the game along and that’s what he did. In fact, I’d argue Villone’s pitching performance coincided with the Yankees heating up back at the beginning of July. It was against the A’s with Pettitte vs. Haren and the A’s jumped out to an early 8-0 lead. The Yankees ultimately lost, but they crawled back and made it close and Villone held it in check for a few innings to make any sort of comeback possible. Just a sentimental sidenote.
Brower was the one who made the game out of reach for us. Although, our offense tonight is just as hideous. Daniel Cabrera did not pitch well, in my opinion. Okay, 6+ shutout innings I guess is always a good performance on paper. But he had 6 walks and 5 strikeouts. He had more walks than strikeouts and the Yankees could not push a single run across against him. Hard to win a game when you’re not scoring especially on a guy who hands out one free pass per inning.
As for who to bring up, I agree with the guy who said Henn and either Britton or Ramirez. You have to have an innings eater in your bullpen. Brower didn’t strike me as the innings eater type and the game only got worse when he came in. Not everyone’s going to be Ramiro Mendoza of the late 90’s, you just want a guy who can go a few innings and keep you in the game. Henn did a better job of that early in the year than Karstens did. And then Britton and Ramirez definitely deserve a shot at the majors more than Brower.
CB: Amen to all that you wrote.
Interestingly, I read that the Red Sox are thinking of bringing up one of their blue chippers (Buchholz) to spot start on Friday.
If it happens, it’ll be interesting what he does against the Angels.
Great post Rebecca.. CARMINE Villone IS worse then you think, look at inherited runners on him…ouch…
Why would they be worried at losing Kevin Reese off the 40 man roster??? WHo is gonna take him? Or some pseudo bum pithcer…….
1 loss not the end of the world but Torre needs to make moves like every game is the end of the world and not give any games away even though of course they will lose a few more games this yr…
My dream….
In: Henn, Edwar, Britton
Out: Villone, Karstens, Brower
the problem with Farnsworth is not only does he stink but he cannot pitch 2 innings or on back to back days.. If he was just a stinky innings eater it would be much better then what he is a guy that needs to be treated like a closer but pitches like a bum……..
Edwar is coming up.
Final- Twins 11, Mariners 3. We’re still tied!
Right, now that Seattle’s been pummeled by Minnesota, 11-3, I can go to sleep knowing that the grand outcome of all of today is that the Yankees lost one game in the division.
see you all tomorrow.
Britton & Ramirez didn’t pitch tonight for SWB in a 2 R game so my guess it’s Britton and Ramirez or Ramirez and Ohlendorf
I’d like Bruney back.
Britton & Ramirez didn’t pitch tonight for SWB in a 2 R game so my guess it’s Britton and Ramirez or Ramirez and Ohlendorf for Karstens (GET HIM OUT OF HERE) & Brower (HIM TOO)
Buccholz is an interesting comparison for Kennedy in many ways because he’s sort of the opposite case.
Buccholz is widely (almost uniformly) considered the best pitching prospect in the minors (he’s rated higher than Joba… for what that’s worth).
The interesting thing with him isn’t why he might be making that rumored spot start on friday but why he’s not already in the majors?
Both his curve and change are rated at a 70 or higher on the scouting scale and his fastball has plus velocity (92-94 and can touch 97). I believe he leads the minors in strikeouts.
Isn’t he better than Julian Taverez?
They haven’t brought him up yet or advanced him quicker because he is still having some issues with command of his fastball.
Though he did focus only on pitching late, this is his third year in the minors.
Kennedy has spent less than one year in the minors.
They may bring up Buchholz but that seems to be their desperation move to answer Joba and respond to their shrinking lead.
Okay, that guy shot down my Villone argument well and I conceded. But I’ve been arguing against Ohlendorf all year. He might have a good arm, but his numbers in Triple A this year are atrocious. Does anyone really think he’d have success right now in the majors?
Carmine I know he’d do better than Villone or Brower but I don’t see him coming up unless Cash wants to test the waters. Edwar on the other hand belongs up here now !!! there is no way somebody can argue to me that Brower or Karstens or Villone are better than him, Britton or Hen.
Dude – We’re the Yankees. It always works out for us. I think we need to get a big time reliever. Swith Mo to the 8t and Joba to the 9th. Trade Farnsworth, Kennedy, Shelly Duncan, and Damon for Pujols.
St. Louis gets a great pitcher in Kennedy, Duncan gives them Pujols’s power. Damon gives them a leadoff man and Farnsworth could succeed in the NL.
Our team lost tonight – but we’re awesome. No one can stop us!
Marden after I read Mo to the 8th & Joba to the 9th I would suggest get some rest
Don’t know if you all saw this but Sickels had a good prospect showdown between Chamberlain and Bucholz. Sickels says he would take Clay but also that you can’t go wrong with either.
when Bucholz starts hanging those fastballs that arguement will end.
But yeah, exactly. Ohlendorf’s supposed to have talent and he’s young, but he’s been getting knocked around in Triple A. Let him sort it out down there and bring up either Britton or Ramirez.
Carmine,
Villone is terrible. No way around it. Sean Henn could do the same craptastic job as him. Hell I could let every inherited runner score too if they threw me in there.
I’ve got a mean forkball too.
I don’t think bringing up Kennedy made much sense, but the “arbitration clock” we keep hearing isn’t an issue. The only time that counts for service toward arbitration is time on the 25 man roster and the major league DL – for him that would have likely been 1 day, with a years’ service calculated at 180 days. Meaningless, so not the reason.
The roster spot has more validity, but Reese and Basak are likely to be dropped sooner or later. 40 man space is also going to be required for Veras, Mientkiewicz, and Rasner (Veras in 2 days at the end of his 30 day rehab stint or he’ll have to be DFA’d, which is possible) assuming the latter 2 are healthy before season’s end. Might see action on Veras (off 60 day DL, option to Scranton where he’s rehabbing now) in combo with a DFA for Brower.
The used option is the most salient issue. No pitcher comes with a guarantee, so using that for 1 start is something the org thinks long about.
Bruney can’t be recalled until the 17th – gotta stay minimum 10 days on an option assignment barring an injury.
Karstens will be optioned cause the Yanks need fresh arms and he clearly needs more work, plus Scranton could use another starter right now, mainly due to poor performances from Ohlendorf who in no way is ready for the Show at present and has been demoted to the pen there!
Britton or Ramirez (likely Britton as he’s more rested, has more “experience”) and Henn (long relief potential and also more experience) are the likely choices. Has everyone forgotten Edwar’s blow up in his last appearance for the Yanks – not completely fair because he hadn’t pitched in 2 weeks, but I’m sure Joe and Cash remember it. I expect he’ll see time in September, but do you think he’s gonna be part of the postseason roster? I doubt that, but anything’s possible, and if he shows he’s ready I’ll be yelling for him.
guys, if the Yankees felt Kennedy was ready, all they would have had to do was appeal until September. rosters expand and September call-ups do not count as option years. no service time issues, no option issues, and probably no 40 man roster issues as Brower is probably history.
so, there was another reason they didn’t want him to pitch.
that reason is that they don’t think he is ready.
let’s move on.
Ian Kennedy is better than Karstens, but the guy isn’t anywhere near the elite pitching prospects that have been called up this year (Hughes, Lincecum, Gallardo, Chamberlain, Bailey, and Buchholz on Friday). He got hit around pretty good in his last start, too. I doubt they’ll bring him up this year.
Kartstens does not suck, give the guy a break for god’s sake after what he’s been through this season.
People have to tone it down sometimes, there is no such thing as a perfect team and jeez, you can’t win everyday.
I feel sorry for your spouse’s/signigficant others – you people have no patience for anybody! Do you kick them to the curb every mistake they make?
Kartstens does not suck, give the guy a break for god’s sake after what he’s been through this season. He had a bad night!
People have to tone it down sometimes, there is no such thing as a perfect team and jeez, you can’t win everyday.
I feel sorry for your spouse’s/signigficant others – you people have no patience for anybody! Do you kick them to the curb every mistake they make?
Bruney should be back up soon. I kow he has to wait 10days to be called back up after he was optioned BUT you can DL someone to get him back sooner. All you have to do is DL Karstens for something like a sore forearm and then get Bruney back up ASAP. DFA Brower after that. Then call up Bruney and Edwar.
i didn’t read all of the comments here, so forgive me if it’s been posted already, but i think if we’re going to have a long man/6th starter from here on out, it may as well be Igawa considering his salary and the fact that his one relief appearance (and a long one at that) was pretty good. maybe butterflies build up when he anticipates a start and job in the pen may be beneficial.
that said, what happened to edwar? i thought i read a post on this blog that he would probably be brought up at some point over the weekend? i was hoping to see him in cleveland.