Game 120: Orioles at Yankees
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Here is the lineup:
YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Betemit 2B
Jeter SS
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Posada DH
Phillips 1B
Duncan RF
Molina C
Hughes RHP (2-1, 4.64)
Pregame chatter: It turns out Jim Brower agreed to an option when he signed with the Yankees, so he has been optioned. … Mike Myers was officially released. … Roger Clemens is at the park today, his suspension having ended. … Alex Rodriguez is filming a cameo on the field for a Garth Brooks video. Garth Brooks? I thought he had retired. … The Orioles are reportedly displeased that Miguel Tejada and Nick Markakis got hit last night, so don’t be surprised if a Yankee gets drilled today. … Brian Cashman was on the field during BP and reported he has made progress with several draft picks. But no details.
When asked about “the Joba rules” Cashman got borderline angry. “There’s no reason for that to be made public,” he said. “Then if we need to make an adjustment, it’ll get thrown back in my face. That stuff should stay in house.”
Perhaps. But the Joba for Dummies version is that he will get a day off for every inning pitched and not go back-to-back days.
Of course that’ll end once they really need to win a game.
UPDATE, 1:14 p.m.: 81 degrees at first pitch, beautiful day here in the Boogie Down.
Keep an eye on the Franchise’s pitch count, the Yankees want him to work on getting in counts and going deeper into games. He tossed 10 in the first inning, 8 of them strikes. So he’s off to a good start.
We were coming off the field after batting practice when a young fan asked Kim Jones for an autograph. Kim, being very gracious, agreed to sign a ball for the kid. Mark Feinsand of the News and I immediately started giving her a hard time.
UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: There you go, I knew somebody would get drilled. In baseball justice, hitting Jeter evens it out for Markakis and Tejada. I suspect the Yankees won’t retaliate. If they do, it could get ugly.
UPDATE, 1:27 p.m.: I’m not telling you Baltimore is right or wrong. But Tejada and Markakis got really drilled yesterday and in a 12-0 game, it looks suspicious. Baseball players, more so than any other athletes, get riled up about such things. So Bedard hits Jeter. It’s just how it is in baseball, stupid as it seems.
UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: Wow. Hughes has a great hook. Not enough pitchers his age have a great 12-to-6 curveball. Most of the young kids these days are fastball/sinker/slider and maybe a change. He’s a complete pitcher. Sort of a young Mussina in that he throws hard.
UPDATE, 2:11 p.m.: The Yankees have three hits (all singles) and one run in their last 16 innings. Is that a concern? It seems like a concern.
UPDATE, 2:25 p.m.: I was about to post that Hughes was doing a good job of working out of trouble. Then he was late covering first.
You have to sprint to the bag. Tough to learn a lesson that way. So many of these major prospects, they go through the minors dominating hitters and never have to learn the little things.
3-0 against Bedard isn’t impossible. But it sure is unlikely. Meanwhile Hughes may have only one more inning in him.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Hughes is at 94 pitches by my count yet there is no action in the pen. Meanwhile, perhaps big Shelley can get them going with that throw and now the single.
Bedard just threw his 75th pitch. They need to work him into some counts and get him out of the game.
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: Hideous call by Bruce Froemming there. Not only was Cabrera not on the bag, he never had the ball. Other than that, Duncan was out.
Meanwhile, Bedard could another two innings now.
UPDATE, 2:57 p.m.: I guess Sean Henn was done warming up, as he is in the game for Hughes.
UPDATE, 2:58 p.m.:
Hughes at home (3 games): 14 20 13 12 5 14
Hughes on the road (2 games): 12.1 4 1 1 4 12
UPDATE, 3:37 p.m.: * * * BRACKMAN SIGNS WITH YANKEES * * *
Word is that the Yankees and Scott Boras have agreed on a deal that would pay the right-hander a minimum of $4.6 million and possibly as much as $13.8 million.
More on this as it becomes official later today.
UPDATE, 3:49 p.m.: Bedard against the Yankees his season: 21 11 2 2 3 21.
Yikes.
UPDATE, 4 p.m.: Nice job by Edwar Ramirez, who retired seven of the eight batters he faced, three swinging. He spoke before the game about having more confidence in his fastball. Torre said they considered calling him last week but the minor-league people didn’t feel he was ready. Based on how he looked today, he’s ready. The greatest change-up in the world is useless unless there’s a fastball to create deception.
UPDATE, 4:07 p.m.: The Yankees haven’t pulled victory out of the clutched of defeat lately. This could be an interesting inning, especially with Giambi, Abreu and Damon available.
UPDATE, 4:15 p.m.: It’s Shelley Duncan’s world and we’re all just living in it. You have to give it up to him, he knows how to hit in the Bronx.
I can think of only two words:
Holy Cow!
UPDATE, 4:25 p.m.: There can be no complaining if Boston rallies against Tampa Bay. The Yankees are 6-2 against the Devil Rays since the break. Tampa’s bullpen is dreadful. You can’t expect the Red Sox to lose often against a team that bad.
UPDATE, 4:37 p.m.: Well, this is a shocking turn of events as Mariano Rivera gets blasted. His line in his last three appearances: 3.1 9 5 5 0 2.
You have to wonder whether he has some sort of injury. It was around this time last season when he came down with the mysterious forearm/elbow injury that was never fully explained.
Back later with some postgame comments from the Yankees.
UPDATE, 4:41 p.m.: Time for one more. The Yankees do catch a break as Boston loses to Tampa Bay 6-5.
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Not sure I like giving Duncan at-bats over Giambi and Damon, lefty on the mound or not.
memo to Cash: Joba rules are a good thing!
As for which Yankee gets drilled today, I’m going with A-Rod…
Boston is Cracking UP
See the clip ESPN tried to hide.
last week’s Josh Becket’s tirade, in super slow motion
http://tinyurl.com/yr2ofh
According to Yahoo splits, Bedard is even tougher on right handed hitters. I don’t underdtand sitting Cano, who has been hot, and Abreu and Giambi, who can really work counts.
This is an almost a wave the white flag line-up to me.
THe o’s need to take a chill pill. Look at the crap we trotted out there yesterday. I don’t think any of those drillings were on purpose. IT seems like it is only okay to drill a Yankees but everyone gets ticked if the Yankees hit someone.
So who made the “Joba Rules” public?
Wow, just one lefty (Matsui) in today’s lineup!
In today’s information age, I can see why he is upset.
Folks second guess every single move the Yankees make. Just read a game thread on any Yankee blog on the ‘web. I really believe there are people who think the team shouldn’t lose another game the rest of the season.
They will deny it but, deep down, they really believe the team should never lose a game.
If Cash is upset, he just needs to go to the Manager’s Office, not to the media, to voice his disapproval. That’s where the info was gathered.
If the Yankees don’t want their business on the street (which, I don’t blame them for feeling that way), then, they need to speak less to the media.
Too many guys in the media are smart enough to ask the right questions at the right time to get the right answers. Its their job to do so.
If the Yankees don’t like it, talk less to the media. If not, then they are going to have to live with the frustration of having some of their business on the street.
The problem is, Torre has never adopted the “Belichick Rules” when it comes to the media. He’s too nice a guy.
Do what Bill does…..talk, but say nothing and never discuss injuries, lineups or reasons why you do what you do.
The fans will hate it and the media will hate it more. However, you will keep in house what you want to keep in house.
Only way to do it these days.
Here’s the strategy then: a preemptive strike – hit one of their hitters early, warning issued, if Bedard retailiates, he’s thrown out. woohoo.
The Joba rules will end when the Yanks start getting serious. Which is this weekend.
The # 1 pick Brackman should be introduced to the Yankee audience during the Tiger series, make sure that you get an interview Pete.
Cano needs a day off. He’s been playing everyday for a long time now. At some point, a day off is needed. Plus, his day splits aren’t exactly inspiring. With a tough 4 game series coming up with the Tigers, and no days off for 8 days, today’s day off comes at a good time.
No problems with today’s lineup. That’s why you have a bench. You have to use it.
The hitting of them first is the way to go. Especially in todays game of baseball.
Dr.,
That clip ran on a loop for 3 hours the next morning on the Espn News station. I stopped what I was doing when it came on just to see it. Too bad he didn’t break anything. Not that I would wish bodily harm on anyone, but you know what I mean.
Rich,
Cano’s got a split personality between night and day games.
Why wouldn’t Betemit play vs a tough lefty and give Cano a break?
Plus he can pinch hit and play after the 6th inning
This is why we have a bench.
Torre has wanted one for years. He may as well use it.
I wouldn’t want to be the O’s late inning pen facing these hitters coming off the pine.
Exactly, Bedard use has a high pitch count so Giambi, Damon, Abreu and Cano can easily come off the bench late in the game.
New York says goodbye to Scooter
http://tinyurl.com/386d8g
Baltimore’s upset over HBP? That’s hilarious, given the pinpoint accuracy of the pitchers we had on the mound. They should be happy it was just two batters and note that our flamethrower, Farnsworth, did not hit anyone (and be happy about it). I call BS if there is retaliation. I also don’t think Torre would have Hughes bean anyone. Hughes is just too pure and young.
It’s going to be interesting to see how Duncan does against an elite pitcher. Abreu can’t hit lefties and we all know we like his current swing. Do you guys remember what Kazmir did to Abreu’s swing? Nuff said. As for Cano and Giambi days off, I can understand that. Torre wanted to get Cano a day off since he’s played almost every game of the season. Giambi is splitting time with two other players so we know that he was going to sit of these days.
dr. acula – nice clip.
what a psycho! that’s the kind of emotional stability you want on your pitching staff
yikes!
hate that I have to miss a phil hughes start today while at work. ugh.
Why wouldn’t Hughes bean the 3 hitter with 2 outs in the 1st?
Than both teams get warned and if Bedard throws at anyone hes gone and suspended
win-win
Monument Park
August 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
The hitting of them first is the way to go. Especially in todays game of baseball.
First batter,,,,DRILL HIM…then both benches get warned…then their Star Pitcher either does the same and gets kicked out and suspended OR has to EAT CROW the whole game for not protecting his guys…PHIL DRILLS FIRST BATTER IS DEFINITELY THE ANSWER !
you are reading my mind, Monument !
Public knowledge of the Joba Rules was good, otherwise there would picketing at the Yankee Stadium. No joke, people would be up in arms. *We want Joba! We want Joba!* signs. People here would be ripping Torre for putting in the likes of Brower & Villone not knowing that he couldn’t put Joba in per Nardi Contreras.
Cashman was hot about it, huh? Either he doesn’t like being told what to do by player development or he’s still burning from the flack about Mo.
“Why wouldn’t Hughes bean the 3 hitter with 2 outs in the 1st?
Than both teams get warned and if Bedard throws at anyone hes gone and suspended
win-win”
Plus, if they decide to retailate for yesterday (which I think they definitely will) and beam us first , they’d then have the advantage!
SJ44 – what do you think of the preemptive strike idea? (i.e. hit one of their batters first, if Bedard retaliates he is thrown out)?
Yeah, just what’s needed…..another starting pitcher gets suspended for a game.
Let’s can the macho crap and just win the game. You can survive one missed start by one of the top line guys. Missing another begins to hurt the team.
I doubt the Orioles will do anything. If they do, you just bring in Farnsworth to take care it.
Missing him for 5 days wouldn’t be that big a deal.
Here the explanation for the line up today:
“Johnny Damon, Jason Giambi, Robinson Cano and Bobby Abreu are all on the bench. Damon has a .150 average against Bedard, Giambi .231, Cano .214 and Abreu .176.”
http://blog.nj.com/ledgeryanke.....akeup.html
Bedard has already beat them a couple of times this year and its worth trying something different.
People kick and scream when Duncan and Betemit aren’t in the line up and then when they do get in their against a very tough lefty they still complain.
Also, look at Bedard’s splits they aren’t actually very different between lefties and righties. Similar Batting Average and Slugging percentage but the on base percentage for lefites is higher but its not like there’s some massive difference that dictates how the line should be vs. the past performance of the yankee lefties against bedard.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=5099
In particular its difficult to make any definitive conclusions on his splits because he’s only faced 122 left handed batters this year while facing 472 right handed batters.
That enormous disparity in handedness of the hitters he’s faces tell you a lot. Indicates baseball teams as a whole throughout the league are pulling left handed hitters out of the line up against Bedard.
By comparison Jeremy Guthried of the Orioles has faced 268 righty batters and 247 lefties – an markedly more balanced split than Bedard.
Also, because Bedard’s faced a comparatively small sample of lefty hitters so making some grand conclusion that Bedard is a rare lefty for which there is a “reverse” split relationship going on is a stretch.
Keep taking 2 out of 3.
That’s the deal.
mel-
yeah, that was really weird. the clip ran on the all news station, but they didn’t show it on Sportscenter (much, much biggger audience) or on Baseball Tonight. Seeing a leading cy young contender freak under the pressure of a pennant race deserved should of lead the Big newscast, yet it didn’t receive any face time, at all.
Sj44, What do you think of the part in my hair?
Do you just loooove it?
What is with some commenters here?
Damn right I’d throw at Tejada first. We saw what losing a SP did last night to us. Cost us a game.
Dr.
Just another example of fair and unbiased reporting.
I like WWB’s idea on the preemptive strike.
Here’s my question — why start Betemit today and rest Robby when Joe could’ve done that yesterday and not had Betemit facing a lefty? Betemit is putrid as a RH batter, but Robby does not suck against lefty pitchers.
And boy I hope all of Phil’s flyballs go to left or (better yet) center.
I’d throw at them first. Make Bedard think twice about pitching inside.
the media takes everything so literally . i dont blame cashman for getting angry . hey , if joba comes in the 8th w/ 1 out and one on – so be it . only bums like farnsworth need special provisions like that .
i dont mind betemit , but he isnt the second coming for crying out loud .
SJ44 would you like a back rub?
Thanks Lauren
That clip of Beckett was really telling… That was two weeks ago, and apparently Beckett is cracking up so badly, that since then all he could manage was to go 2-0, 15.1 IP, 3 ERs in his next two starts.
Maybe Wang should go into a tirade
Can we give Cano a few innings off against a tough lefty?
If this were a playoff game he’d be out there. Relax. Betemit will be fine there.
Dr Acula–Nice Beckett find. Too bad he didn’t hurt his arm for being an idiot. I feel bad for the gatorade coolers, lol.
This is a Torre team.
What makes you think the pitchers not named Clemens have any cajones to throw at anyone?
Today’s prediction:
Yankees 7 Orioles 3…. Hughes goes 7 complete strikes out 7.
Side prediction, Hughes will drill Tejada or Millar if a Yankee gets drilled.
Let’s kill the guy for showing heart and actually caring.
Every Yankee fan would kill to see that type of emotion when you’re frustrated.
obviously beckett never went to the paul o’neill school of temper tantrums. now that guy had class.
the best part of that clip was dude behind him running away…
I don’t think he was “cracking under the pressure of a pennant race” as much as he was pissed for letting Brian Roberts hit a first pitch HR.
But, you can spin it however you like if it makes you feel better about the year that kid is having.
Can we make Bedard work hard?
Work counts. Get on base.
Get into that weak pen.
Beckett may be crazy but he cares.
Which is saying something in todays game.
Predicition
Yanks 8 – 3
Torre in a pregame interview made it clear what the Joba rules were. Cashman obviously didn’t tell Torre that it was insider info only.
Orioles manager said there would be no retaliation as he doesn’t play the game that way and has too much respect for Torre to bring that into the game.
yep. I’d rather have Beckett’s emotion (not to mention his arm) on the Yankees than a guy Farnsworth, who smiled at the crowd as he got boo’ed off the bump.
Beckett on the road 2007: 8-1, 1.65.
He pitches in Yankee Stadium in less than 2 weeks. The best vs the best. Can’t wait.
Jackie, haven’t you been reading? Beckett is an emotional time bomb, who’s cracking under the pressure of the Yankee shadow lurking down on him.
Does anyone know if this is going to be on Sopcast? I want to watch it at work?
keith and co: it definitely is stupid to ask someone for their opinion. i’ll make sure i don’t do that anymore. thanks.
i have to say i like the moves we made. i think most of us were calling for them last night so we are getting what we wanted. brower shouldnt have been up here ever and karstens apparently needs to get more consistent work in order to be effective.
“what the hell is ansky?”
Why couldn’t we have seen this last night?
Ian Kennedy, rhp, Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Yankees)
The only question surrounding Kennedy at this point is when he will join fellow prospect Joba Chamberlain on the big league roster. Kennedy, who like Chamberlain began the season with high Class A Tampa (both also signed late and made their debuts in Hawaii Winter Baseball last October), limited Pawtucket to five hits over six innings while striking out nine in his third Triple-A start. Overall, Kennedy is 12-2, 1.75, with 148 strikeouts (fifth-best in the minors) in 129 innings.
this is the last thing we need a beanballbrawl.
KAJ WHAT TIME IS IT
I don’t believe the o’s manager. Didn’t the Jays manager say the samething? He couldn’t understand why MLB issued a warning, it was in the past we forgot about it. Than the next series he proceeds to have 2 pitchers throw at Alex.
It’s cool to have a crush frits.
i missed last’s night’s debacle. what triggered the retaliation talk?
Also from Baseball America you fellas may like:
Justin Snyder, ss, short-season Staten Island (Yankees)
Snyder ranked in our Top 200 prospects (No. 191 overall) for the 2007 draft, but the 5-foot-9 junior from San Diego fell all the way to the 21st round. Thus far, Snyder leads the New York-Penn League with a 1.036 OPS (.382/.482/.554). Snyder has played primarily at shortstop most recently in Staten Island, although he has also played at second base, center field and third base as a professional, and he profiles best at either second or center field in the majors.
Bobby D: Alright already!
anksy = Yanks… anagram
Why does Millar seem to be a Hall of Famer when he plays the Yankees?
OK..I am asking ALL OF YOU this….not Peter, or some dude that everyone thinks is the God of all baseball….IF neither team has been warned by either MLB or the Umpires, AND you KNOW that the other team is pissed about last night and wants to hit one of your guys….WHY WOULD YOU NOT drill one of their guys first ?….If you don’t, then we are RIGHT BACK to where we were in Toronto…They purposely hit one of our guys ( and NEWS FLASH,,,could hurt one of them ) then we can do NOTHING without facing suspensions and ejections…It seems STUPID to put yourself in that situation, if it is avoidable AND IT IS….If you hit one of their guys first,,,,then come the warnings…then THEY have to think twice about hitting one of our guys and IF THEY DO.,…they are the ones that get the ejections and suspensions….right ?
randy: villone was struggling with control and hit two. but melky was almost hit too so they need to stop being babies.
guys this type of baseball needs to stop. the hitting and the retaliation. this isnt baseball and the last thing the yanks need is to lose phil hughes in a playoff race
All newbies get ready for the KAJ and Boston Yankee show. Be prepared to be bored out of your sockets with these two.
GAME TIME !!!!!!!!!!! ( crowd roar here )
kaj your logic is right. BUUT THIS KIND OF BASEBALL NEEDS TO STOP
I’ll be glad to throw even more asinine questions the way of people who declare their connections, however incidental, to the Yanks.
big daddy: THANK YOU!!! i love my fans
it doesnt matter who hits who first. We have shelley duncan, any pain that the yankees feel, shelley takes and makes toys for little kids. And then he punches them.
Protecting your teammates has to go on. The team is more important than an individual suspension.
Peaceniks who have never played team sports. Funny stuff.
drays: runners on the corners no out
DiceK’s perfect game has been broken up by Iwamura
at top of the 1st.
Lauren-
you can catch today’s game online.
http://www.myp2p.eu/Programs/Sopcast.htm
download and install the app.
then the channel is # 25568
frits I got Torres coffee once. Ask me about the bullpen.
what happened to Cano? why isnt he in the lineup?
anyone?
wow eric are you dense… youre the one who has obviously never played. it hurts to get hit. a baseball is a weapon. people have been injured seriously. if a pitcher aims at a guys back then slips just a little it can hit someone in the head. that isnt baseball…
Runners on second and third. crawford on second. still no out
Good point Big Daddy. It is not easy on the eyes with those two.
Matsuzaka in troble early in Boston.
Blutarsky – What is Mo’s favorite color?
Not a bad start.
Will Chris Britton ever sniff the major league roster?
Hughes is still a little off his command. When he’s going good, you’re good to see quick strikes, grounders, and a boatload of strikeouts.
He’s. Really. Good.
Strikeout number one for the import.
Nice 1-2-3 inning for Hughes!
Can the Rays like, have a big inning?
And protecting your teammates shouldnt happen because why?
A suspension?
The ball hurts?
You are as dumb as paper. Anyone that knows the game knows that good teams stick up for their guys.
If you’re going to throw at our guys we will protect ours at all costs.
If pitchers dont do that they lose respect in the clubhouse and it leads to bad vibes.
big daddy, I love you too, man !
no more shutout. tampa scores. crawford advances to third. two out
Boston down one.
It’s hard to focus on the game when there should be an announcement any day now about the new Springsteen album and tour…
our bench today: damon, giambi, cano, molina….pretty sweet
Why hasn’t anybody mentioned AA pitcher Scott Patterson? He is pitching lights out (0.99 ERA, 77K, 13BB, 63.2 IP) which are comparable numbers to Ian Kennedy (1.87 ERA, 150K, 48BB, 134 IP) He is 28 yrs old, and probably more seasoned. He would make a good long relief pitcher for the yankees. Does anyone have any comments?
Is he hurt or is there something else I don’t know?
boring detail…Tampa up 1-0 at Boston….YAWN !
Mo likes navy blue frits.
And he likes poetry. Good poetry. Not the lame kind.
Wow, Melky was just a little too slow on that.
um no youre the retard… because i KNOW ITS A PART OF BASEBALL. thats all youve proven. i know its a part of baseball AND I KNOW ITS IMPORTANT TO DO. and im saying it needs to change. it shouldnt be a part of baseball.
Why was Cash pissed? I would think it goes something like this…
Joe was given “The Joba Rules” on two tablets of stone because if he hadn’t been given them, he would immediately have started to burn out Joba just like he does with every other reliever who pitches well.
Joe was PO’ed because he doesn’t like having the FO tell him how to manage his bullpen. So Joe told the media what the rules were to get back at them by having all the media/fans whine, “Why can’t Joba pitch today? We need to win this game?”
Thus — Cashman is now PO’ed.
Mind you — this is entirely speculation on my part, but it seems more likely than the theories you guys are throwing out there.
Michael Kay talks saber….someone is getting better. Go kay!
He is 28 yrs old, and probably more seasoned. He would make a good long relief pitcher for the yankees. Does anyone have any comments..
Yeah, he’s 28. Normally when a guy is 28 years old and still in AA ball, there is a real, valid reason for it. Ignore what he’s done the past three months, and take a look at what he’s done for the past five years. It’ll make sense to you.
How did Phil look the first inning? I’m listening to John. I think my ears are going to bleed.
Okay was Mora’s play good. He made it sound like it was agreat play.
RBI groundout for Carlos Pena. . .only one run, but it’s a start.
Unfortunately, Andy Sonnastine is on the mound. Mmm. Chalk up a win for the BoSux.
Springsteen stinks.
Anti American kook who hates cops.
Jay,
I think he’s not talked about because he is 28 and not 21…
Has Betemit made contact with a swing from the right side since we got him?
go nyr: no
Bedard is just plain nasty. I had no idea he was going to be this good. A solid big leaguer, but he’s an ace. If the Orioles ever helped him out, he could easily contend for a Cy Young award.
son of a bitch hit jeter! wtf
*A Pennant Race Flash*
BOSTON – (AP) DRays bat DiceBB around, lead 1-0 in 1st.
I love people who call others “anti-American”. It’s just funny to be that stupid.
I apparently guessed wrong.
Okay was that on purpose? We aren’t going to hit anyone. What a crock! Total LIAR!!
just missed his f****** knee too. bastard.
did they warn both teams yet?
Well, that didn’t take long.
you can hit Jeter in front A-Rod every time. Could be 2-0 comin right up
That wasn’t intentional. Just a bad pitch.
Oh god, another “cracking under the pennant race” claim.
F’ng Orioles. A Rod and the rest of the team needs to make the Orioles pay. I’m pissed.
its a confusing issue… you have to protect your guys i know that but payback=payback=payback=payback when dos it stop? when someone loses their livelyhood?
So Bedard gets the chance to strike first – taking it out on the captain. (same exact place as Tejada yesterday – per Suzyn) So are they warning both benches?? So much for the niceities by the O’s manager.
Were warnings issued ?
Uh, Kay, you’re talking about Farnsworth, right? Cause he could do the charging the batter’s box thing too.
Why would he hit the singles hitter when A-Rod is right behind him. Not smart baseball by Bedard there.
was it intentional? i am on game day
Wayne, You are, of course, an idiot.
Make this sucker pay. Monument Park.
jennifer i bow before your wisdom. TEACH ME! plus trembley looks like shatner
Shelley’s playing. If the Orioles try anything they will be a world of hurt
Warnings were not issued. So we are free to retaliate.
Good AB by A-Rod. And now by hitting Jeter, Bedard sets himself up for a long inning. Let’s put a little blemish in that road record.
Jeter needs to cross the plate, that’ll be the best retribution.
Wasnt Tejada hit in the elbow, not the leg?
quick someone telephone the Stadium to ask if warning issued, since no one here knows.
What has Springsteen done that has been pro America???
All he does is disparage the troops and the cops.
Hughes has nothing to prove by hitting guys. Let him shut down the O’s. That’ll shut them up.
as far as im concerned the best way to fight that is the guy after the hit batter to hit a blast. EXACTLY MEL!
Steve, you’re “anti-American” for suggesting that Wayne is an idiot. ha.
No warnings issued.
Hey Wayne:
Bruce purchased bullet-proof vests for two New Jersey police departments and held a series of charity shows for police and fire charities after Sept. 11.
Just wondering, what have you done to help the cops bro?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Yes, Wayne, that’s all he does. You clearly are not a very deep thinker.
mike nyy: unleash the duncan
Darn Matsui.
Go NYR – who remembers? I’m just going by what the all-knowing Suzyn said. “Same exact” place Tejada got hit.
I hope Hughes retaliates. He should have been preemptive.
hahaha pete lays down some science
Bedard just ruined his chance for a perfect game. LOL.
Wayne, please stop. Nothing is more “american” than showing exactly how stupid you are.
Eric, is there a point of possibly getting our prized prospect tossed out of the start if he accidentally hits somebody after warnings are issued? With a depleted bullpen? Absolutely not.
Way to bust out the snark while simultaneously falling prey to a very simple parts-to-whole fallacy! Nice one pete!
“What has Springsteen done that has been pro America???
All he does is disparage the troops and the cops.”
find a single example of “disparaging the troops” and post it here. please.
Is the game on radio in NYC? I’m listening to WCBS 880 online. . .nada.
Wayne, shut up. This blog isn’t about politics or the opinions of musicians. Keep it baseball related or just get out.
ron: we dont agree much but im behind you a hundred percent
well, atleast Bruce didn’t pardon a convicted trader.
As a cop I can say that I do enough to help being one.
The whole 41 Shots song?
Is fairly anti cop.
When has been on the side of cops? For holding a concert after 9-11?
He is what he is. He’s anti cop. A far left kook. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t make some good music.
unleash the duncan
I predict Duncan in his first at bat will hit a LD that bounces off Bedard into Monument park for a HR
No, Wayne isn’t a deep thinker. He thinks whatever Bill O’Reilly tells him to.
LOL @ Guidry.
Nastiness.
He is 28 yrs old, and probably more seasoned. He would make
a good long relief pitcher for the yankees. Does anyone have any comments..
Yeah, he’s 28. Normally when a guy is 28 years old and still in AA ball, there is a real, valid reason for it. Ignore what he’s done the past three months, and take a look at what he’s done for the past five years. It’ll make sense to you.
Thanks Hawk. But he definitely looks like a better option than someone like Karstens, Igawa, Villone or anyone else they got right now for long relief. If he does well, he could even become trade material to get another relef pitcher in the off season.
Franchise is on!
Marius
August 15th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Wayne, shut up. This blog isn’t about politics or the opinions of musicians. Keep it baseball related or just get out.
We can’t talk about musicians now on Pete’s blog??
I don’t think that’s correct there Marius.
besides, most of the planet earth hates cops. Get used to it.
MLB doesn’t let radio stations broadcast games over their free online streams- who’d pay for gameday audio then?
Come on, give him that pitch.
hey, who do you guys think will take the white house in ‘08. wait, this is a yankee blog, hence, WE DONT CARE
Wayne, I think you hit the wrong link.
I think you meant to go here – http://www.foxnews.com
I know Matsui has put up good 2nd half numbers, but he still doesn’t seem like the same hitter he used to be. In clutch moments when they need a single, I used to love having Matsui up more than anyone else. Now he’s in the bottom half of my wish list. He seems to try to pull everything, and too often he weakly grounds out or pops up. I don’t see too many well-hits outs from him like I used to.
And damn Millar owns this team.
i love how writing a song protesting the shooting of Amadou Diallo means he hates cops.
why, do you not think those particular cops were wrong?
Jay, if anyone wanted him, he’d be gone already. He’s not that good, friend. If they thought he was, he’d be up already. Maybe they’ll luck out and end up with something for him from some team buying high on his recent hot streak, but most realize what he is.
Wayne, yes, holding a concert after 9/11 to raise money for police would be on the side of cops. buying bulletproof vests for two police stations would be too.
Not nastiness…..
I ahve two reasons to root for the Devil Rays today
1) THey’re playing the Sawx
2) Andy Sonnanstine is pitching and at the last game I went to I got his autograph
cmon phil find the strike zone
cmon phil find the strike zone
Thanks SP. I can’t believe I have to pay for Gameday Audio. I might as well pay for MLB.TV in that case. . .which I’m also not doing. Sigh.
One day I’ll be a resident, and on my meager salary I shall get Extra Innings. . .
one. . .
day. . .
sigh.
Hughes is just missing. Wegner isn’t helping.
People like Hawk are the first ones who race to the phone to call the police when something happens to them though.
Think about that the next time someone breaks into your home or harms your kids.
Luckily we don’t do the job for people like you.
Pete, great blog. Just disagree with your Bruce love.
another boring detail…Dice-K is struggling in Boston…2nd inning in a row ( and they have only played 2 ) that he has a runner in scoring position with less than 2 outs AND has allowed a stolen base…( loud yawn here )
hey, who do you guys think will take the white house in ‘08. wait, this is a yankee blog, hence, WE DONT CARE
Shelley Duncan for president!!!!
Molina’s got some crazy arm….
Hey all, I have a question…anyone have an update on which draft picks signed? Yesterday was the deadline right? Can’t find anything on Google News!
AND YOU PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT ME AND KAJ “being boring and polluting the blog” you guys are jokes. i hate day games
Agreed, Mike NYY….Shelley for Prez, Jose Molina for Veep!
kaj thats so boring..
hmmm -
Doesn’t eveyone deserve to go out being plastered into oblivion by over forty bullets by over-zealous, authority mongering jackasses?
Deadline for draft picks is tonight at midnight.Kim JOnes said in the pre game that 6 of the first 10 according to cashman were NOT signed as of yet
Let’s shout a guy down because he doesn’t like Bruce Springsteen. That’s real American! Is this 1985?
What happend to free speech in this country?
Let’s go PHIL!
Hughes is throwing a hell of a lot of pitches…
Wayne, I respect what you do for a living, but I think you’re totally wrong about Springsteen, and about 41 Shots. I don’t want to take up space here on this blog about this issue, but if you have any interest in having me try to explain what I mean, I’d be happy to e-mail you and (politely) explain.
Is it just me or does it look like Hughes is throwing harder than 91? Especially that last pitch
Let’s keep politics away from baseball.
Thanks Gayle. Carmen Angelini is the one I really really have my eye on…he was no. 10..hopefully he is NOT one of those 6!
Millar was had by the slider on 1-2, and the fastball on 2-2, and Wegner called both low.
If Shelley keeps hitting homers and we keep winning I have no issues with his candidacy.
huuuuuuuuuuughes
K’s the side, threw a lot of pitches though.
K’s the side!!! Phil Franchise woot wooooooot!!!
Phil says: F U Wegner.
Here are two stories about the greatness of cops.
An older lady goes into a restaurant with friends. Has a glass of wine with dinner. Returns home and sees that her car was broken into. Flags down a cop on a bike to report the break in. She gets arrested for DWI cause she had the car keys in her hand.
A 22 year old girl is at a party with her friends. Her friend drinks too much and starts to black out. Ambulance is called. No outside lights are working, so the girl goes into the car in the driveway and turns the headlamps on for some light so the EMT’s can see.
Cops arrest her for DWI.
“Let’s shout a guy down because he doesn’t like Bruce Springsteen. That’s real American! Is this 1985? ”
you’re right.
we should also let false accusations stand unchallenged in the name of free speech.
if he said he didn’t like his music, no one would have said anything.
hawk, you’re an a$$ and that post wasn’t even funny. how about i send you to a location with a suspected perp, and someone fitting that description is hiding in the dark and when he hears he reaches into his waist band. make that split-second decision. unfortunately, 8 out of 10 times you’re the one on the receiving end of 40 shots. never hear about that, do you. how come Bruce didn’t write a song about the two cops in brooklyn gunned down by a degenerate in the streets? all too common.
Sweet Phil Franchise!
Come on ANDY SONNANSTINE
Now he needs a quick inning to keep the pitch count down. Good job Phil!!!
Can we like talk about baseball?
Phil strikes out the side.
I think he’s angry!
Thanks Steve but I really don’t need to hear any opinions on it. The song is what it is. He is what he is as a person and a writer. I get it and I’m over it. I just won’t support him anymore and I was a fan.
Now I’m done with musicians here.
Let’s go Yanks!!!
Posada is sloooooooow….
Good to see Franchise can work himself out of trouble.
ha. You said perp.
I love cop lingo – it’s awesome. Really, it is.
Ten-four deputy.
I really hope this is one of those games where they look awful against a pitcher to begin with, then score 2 or 3 runs in one big inning.
Hold ‘em down Phil!
Diallo happened in the bright sunshine and he pulled his wallet out of his pants pocket.
When did a wallet start looking like a gun?
One cop got gun happy and the rest joined in.
If it was a 5 or 6 shots, it wouldn’t have been made such a big deal of. Being they kept shooting till 41 bullets were in his body was the issue.
How about we talk about the plunger incident?
In every basket, you will always have bad apples among the good.
Honor the good ones, and throw away the bad ones.
shelley looks overmatched
Shelley showing why he’s a bench guy at best. He’s got holes in his swing you can drive a truck through.
Shelley Duncan doesnt swing and miss. He swings and the ball avoids his might
Bedard’s thrown 31 pitches in 2 innings. Uh oh. At this rate, he’ll go 7 innings no problem. Hopefully next round through the order, someone can work an 8 or 9 pitch at-bat.
Wait. Writing a song about cops shooting an unarmed man 41 times is anti-cop.
That song is anti-bad cops. It’s not anti-cop.
Anyway, let’s go Franchise! Keep up those K’s!
this makes 5 posts in a row about baseball. i agree with the above 4. WOW GUYS BASEBALL!
“Bedard’s thrown 31 pitches in 2 innings. Uh oh. At this rate, he’ll go 7 innings no problem. Hopefully next round through the order, someone can work an 8 or 9 pitch at-bat.”
That’s a downside of not having Damon, Abreu, or Giambi in the lineup, all of whom can run up a pitch count.
nvm guy above me ruined it
When police arrive at a the scene of a murder and find Shelley Duncan with blood on his hands, they promptly apologize for wasting his time.
Oops. I meant to use a question mark at the end of that first sentence. Apologies.
Iwamura singles off Matsuzaka to start the 3rd in Boston…Dice-K does NOT have it today….*yawn*
sterling made that pickup by phillips seem really slick.
Nice play by Andy Phillips!
i almost went to school in allentown. muhlenberg
41 shots is nothing. You could discharge 41 shots in a few seconds. But can we stick to baseball, please!!! Franchise is dealing and we have to talk about nonsense
$20 says that Marius is actually Rev. Al posting under a psuedonym.
Dice-K now in another jam, like in the first 2 innings of the game…this time runners at 1st/2nd nobody out..
kaj: bases loaded actualyl
bases JUICED in Boston !!!
darn- there goes the dual no-hitters ending in a bottom 9 walk off by shelly…
Make that bases loaded no outs.
bases loaded, no one out, you mean
“$20 says that Marius is actually Rev. Al posting under a psuedonym.”
I posted under a pseudonym the other night. She was a hooker I picked up in Trenton.
3-0 DRAYS!!!! WE NEED MORE SMITH!
3-0 tampa !!!
The truth has to be accepted by all about the things cops do, good and bad.
Shelley is young and will get better. No need to throw him under the truck already. He has the talent and now just needs to refine himself.
All this talk about throwing at batters and preemptive retaliation makes baseball sound like NASCAR and its pinheads Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, Kurt Busch and Kyle Shrub.
Do the Yankees have any plans to give Phil Franchise a lower number than 65? The Yankees are such a tradition organization..no beards, no names, that 65 looks like a spring training non roster invitee.
“In play, run(s)”
Phil is being squezed!!
Steve — Congrats on getting the Thunder’s sloppy seconds!
This ump is going to end up costing the Yanks this game.
Pena doubled. D-Rays 3 – 0 zero outs. Man on 2nd and 3rd.
Matsuzaka is getting lit up.
sos he is but that last one was a good call.
ANOTHER RUNN FOR TMPA!
“this makes 5 posts in a row about baseball. i agree with the above 4. WOW GUYS BASEBALL!”
Amen Boston Yank. Baseball please…BASEBALL!!
The only acceptable divergence is discussing Shelley Duncan’s 2008 presidential candidacy
Come on, Hughes…Mow this guy down !
Nick Markakis is the future of the O’s. Good ballplayer.
If that was in center field, Melky would have totally caught that.
see this is why you trade hughes for mike piazza because mike gives you that upside that you just dont get from hughes. i usually say that this game is only about pitching but in this case… mike is a catcher… and see… thats basically like a pitcher, because he catches pitches.
bbb: since im making those tee shirts about joba are you making bumper stickers?!!! ill ask my friend to make buttons: “SHELLEY DUNCAN 08, FOREARM FOR VICE”
4-0 DRays, still zero outs.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Orioles.
BBB-
Carmen Angelini has signed, according to Baseball America
this is what the kid looks like
http://tinyurl.com/ytfyqe
Listen to the lyrics Wayne Hills. Amadou Diallo was wrongfully killed by NYPD cops. This is a truth to which even the NYPD admits. The political climate in NYC before 9/11 under Giuliani was either terrific or horrible depending on your address in the city and also on your race or creed. Enough said there. IMHO, I hated the way the city became even more stratified along race lines under Rudy’s regime. But that’s only my opinion.
THis doesn’t mean Springsteen’s song is an admonition of cops. Rather, the song is about a situation. Also sung from the perspective of the cops, who in an environment of such conflict must make a quick decision, feeling lives are at stake.
Is it a gun?
Is it a knife?
Is it a wallet?
This is your life.
The same for the songs on the excellent “The Rising” album. A nation wounded. In conflict. Desiring peace, but feeling the human need for vengeance. The songs are beautifully human and speak about the honest feelings we all felt on that awful day.
And Bruce alludes to the vulnerable state that places us all in, to be essentially told half-truths or lies by the powers that be and abuse our grief as a call for war. Whatever one’s political opinions, I believe Bruce’s songs stand as poetry, telling stories that allude to a nation that has its problems, but one he fervently believes can become a great place (and is a great place for many of us.)
>The only acceptable divergence is discussing Shelley Duncan’s 2008 presidential candidacy
Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Shelleyatorship.
5-0 Drays. Harris sac fly. 1 out.
squeeze play in Boston…Tampa up 5-0 !!!
“Steve—Congrats on getting the Thunder’s sloppy seconds!”
I think it was more in the teens than seconds.
no bb… that didnt happen?
Why the hell is Duncan playing RF?
*A Pennant Race Flash*
DiceBB struggling, 52 pitches in 2 1/3 inn. DRays lead 5-ZIP
“SHELLEY DUNCAN 08, FOREARM FOR VICE�
awesome
Navarro kills the rally. Inning over. 5-0 Drays.
So happy we traded that kid away.
Not a verse that I’d think is terribly anti-police:
“Lena gets her son ready for school
She says “on these streets, Charles
You’ve got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you
Promise me you’ll always be polite,
that you’ll never ever run away
Promise Mama you’ll keep your hands in sight”
i hate ken rosenthal
Shelley cant play the outfield. He shouldnt be there. His bad defense costs us runs and possibly the game
Isn’t this a Yankees game thread, there are more posts in here about the Sox then the Yanks…
I thought you guys didn’t watch the Sox in the standings, only us Sox fans are paranoid about the Yanks….
That 3-1 pitch was a ball for us every time
I hate this ump.
Navarro is so bad, he will kill rallies into the next several decades, Eventhough he wont play more than 3 more years, thats how bad he is.
moose used to strike out 15.. WHAT HAPPENED!
Boston Yank: Yes, I will step up to the plate on the Shelley bumper stickers! I’ll do a Shelley 4 Prez one and I also like migames’ idea about America is a Shelleytatorship!
Dr. Acula: GREAT news about Angelini! Thanks so much, I’m excited!
LOL @ TB putting the asswhoopin’ on Dice-BB…I love how he has fits as soon as he has to face a good baserunning team.. and TB can RUN!!! If anyone is following that game, was that his downfall today?
Is this ump related to donaghy. He is killing us with his
sh1tty calls.
Remember that gem Hughes had vs Texas when he got hurt? He was throwing way more changeups in that game. I remember one at bat vs Teixera he made him look silly with changes… But Hughes really isnt throwing them anymore. Maybe the org thinks that pitch puts too much stress on his arm? Any ideas bloggers?
yankssox: can you explain your name, i asked last night but you didnt answer
YanksSox-Typically we dont pay that much attention but when we have made up 10 games in a few months, it is fun to watch what the Sox are doing, especially when they lose
S.o.S.27: OH SHOOOT!
“Isn’t this a Yankees game thread, there are more posts in here about the Sox then the Yanks…”
your counting skills could use some work, son…
http://talk.livedaily.com/foru.....;forumid=1
I bet there are all kinds of people there who would love to talk about “41 Shots” till everybody is blue in the face.
Moving on…
I would really, really like a run.
Just one little inky dinky itty bitty run.
Another horrible call, Hughes isnt getting any of those calls
lol what bbb said. i thought he was going to say more are about cops THATS correct
and betemit is being victimized
Boston Yankee,
Not a whole lot of thought behind it, as most can see here I am a Sox fan, but I respect the Yankee board so kind of threw it together.
Yankees haven’t scored since Phil Rizztuo passed…
don’t be fooled by dicek giving up 5 to the d rays, the boston red sox have the pitching to win the pennant. the yankees on the other hand have no pitching; and they should let a rod go to the red sox and trade hughes, cano, melky, wang, torre, and a few signed balls for santana.
Is the ump also giving Hughes that 4″ off the plate strike call?
Wait. Yanks fans don’t pay attention to Sox scores/standings?
That’s just silly. Of course we pay attention. Why wouldn’t we?
BBB,
Your right not the whole thread but starting right around 1:50 it became a 2-1 favorite for Sox posts
This umpire is a joke
Yeah this ump needs to step away from the crackpipe, his calls are ridiculously inconsistent!
gaaaah b/f’s family coming over, now I can’t scream profanities at these ridiculous calls anymore…hopefully this is a sign from God that there wont be any more wack calls to complain about…
steve i bow to your wisdom.
and yanksox: thanks for being respectful of the board and not being a troll we all appreciate it
What the @(#*$& is it with these umpires? They’re giving the Yankees nothing!
wow, I never see jeter argue a call
Holy cow this ump is a huckleberry.
okay ive been patient and tried to give in to the umpire but now im losing my patience with his calls.
I love it Michael FINAL brings up the boston score – an hour after us.
DiceBB just walked another batter and crawford is at the plate.
Ump danaghy sucks!!
Betemit cant hit right handed, so why is he a switch hitter?
I think he would hit lefties better left handed. He looks lost righthanded
dr acula: we are just that good
I can see from comments Jeter argued the strike. I am not following the game but from mlb.com gamecast, it shows the pitch right down the middle, does it look that far off on live TV?
question: what is the name of jeter’s walk-up song? i’ve been dying to know. i can’t figure it out.
go nyr: what is the point of being a “switch hitter” then. everyone can be a switch hitter. the point is to be equally good in both boxes. and he clearly isnt
“starting right around 1:50 it became a 2-1 favorite for Sox posts”
No. Sure we may derive some amusement at the fact that the $100 million man douses his drawers at the sight of speed on the basepaths, but the majority of posts about the BlowSux have been YOURS, as per usual…
Boy, I tell ya, that Montezuma commercial sure is tasty
Ken, it was real close.
ken: it was on the inside black
That 1-2 pitch was the same stinking pitch he struck out Bet and Jeet! I am going to go crazy
“but the majority of posts about the BlowSux have been YOURS, as per usual…”
So I am guessing _you_ can’t count
Frits, Jeter isn’t using Biggie as his AB music anymore? And speaking of AB music anyone know what Giambi is coming out to nowadays? He has the best musical taste on the team, IMO.
Jebus, this ump SUCKS!!!!
This is no time for Yankee bats to go south. Need to capitalize on D-Rays winning. Where’s the confidence & swagger ??
Phil isnt throwing his curve much today.It seems like the Orioles are just sitting on his fastball. Needs to get his curve over.
Seriously, Cano cant do any better against this guy?
The pitches called 3rd strikes to Betemit and Jeter would be fine if he also called them for Hughes. It’s startling how differently he’s been calling the game between top & bottom half innings.
We need to hold them right here. We will be in trouble if they score any more runs
This is where I’m getting really, really frustrated. We need outs. We need hits. We need runs.
This is such a downer right now…doesn’t even feel like a 1 0 game.
This is feeling like we are being no-hit 2 games in a row.
i dont like this lineup much
this ump is a goddamn disgrace.
The Yankees have seen enough of Bedard to know him. What about the advance reports from scouts, don’t they get looked over ??
Redsux: through 3 innings, only 1 hit. DiceBB at 72 pchs
Where are you DP????
70 pitches already for Hughes….ouch!
“This is no time for Yankee bats to go south.”
“Seriously, Cano cant do any better against this guy?”
I think we need to keep in perspective who we are facing today. It seems people see BAL on the schedule and automatically think it should be a win, or if we can’t beat them then we won’t be able to beat better teams. But in reality Bedard IMO is a better pitcher than ANY of the pitchers that the contenders we’ll face in the next 2 weeks will trot out there..with the possible exception of Lackey, but really thats it.
Also Cano isnt in the lineup today…
YANKEES GAME UPDATE:
4th INNING. 5 MORE INNINGS TO GO!
no mora you dont get to go to third… i dont like mora anymore
Look at what Bedard has done this year against the entire league.
This has nothing to do with scouting reports.
Bedard is an elite arm. Elite arms shut down hitting no matter how good it is.
The Yankees have run into that problem in the playoffs every year.
Thanks, Rev. Al. Surprised your arithmetic is that good.
whats wrong with ortiz? is it his injury or what?
Now THAT was a nice pitch
2-0 O’s
what’s bako whinning about. it was clearest strike of the day.
thank you cb thats what i was just going to say. scouting reports can only do so much
*insert multiple curse words here*
3-0 O’s. I heard the call wrong
REDMOND KICKED IT!
I don’t think their lack of hitting the last two days is a major concern.
They were just flat last night and they are facing a really good pitcher today with major guns sitting on the bench.
Not a concern.
you have gotta be kidding me, a 2 run single to that guy
That was a horrible play and Phillips could have made it to the base and shouldn’t have thrown it.
well, we know now who would win the footrace between Mike Stanley and Phil Hughes
The Yankees have three hits (all singles) and one run in their last 16 innings. Is that a concern? It seems like a concern.
uh, YES, it is a concern ? especially after THAT !
Dear NY Yankees,
The Orioles are pathetic, they suck… WAKE UP!!
There should have been an error charged to Hughes on that play. If Hughes had gotten off the mound in time or made the catch the runs wouldn’t have scored.
Every good team always seem to have one lousy opponent that gives them fits. Looks like this year it is Baltimore. As the Phil Rizzuto of today John Sterling would say “Don’t try to predict baseball.”
It does look like it’s all going downhill in a hurry doesn’t it…
This might be the Yankees worst lineup in a game that means something in 12 years.
Betemit cant hit righthanded
Phillips and Duncan are AAAA players
Molina is horrible. Joe really knocked this one home
Finally, a hit!
Right, now bring him home! (Along with three others, and all will be forgiven)
“Bedard is an elite arm. Elite arms shut down hitting no matter how good it is.”
“They were just flat last night and they are facing a really good pitcher today with major guns sitting on the bench.”
Thank you CB and Viper, the voices of reason.
I love how some expect that we should score tons of runs against Bedard just because he wears a BAL uni and they’re a bad team. He is still one of the best pitchers in the league regardless of where he plays. What we should be hoping for is for Phil to keep it close and so far 2 out of 3 innings we have made Bedard throw a decent amount of pitches, let’s hope that continues so we can knock him out of the game soon and get to that bullpen…
The only thing that is a concern is Phil’s high PC. Hopefully Edwar can come up strong in relief, though.
Wooo an 0-out hit! Thank you Alex, now let’s capitalize!!!
If Matsui gets a hit here I’d give my left nut to Pseudonym.
Pete,,,you can throw in the towel and call our comeback here unlikely…I WILL NOT….LET’S GO YANKEES !
Every year, there is one team on the schedule the Yankees can’t beat. Two years ago, they couldn’t beat Tampa Bay and got swept in KC by the Royals.
Last year, they couldn’t beat the A’s.
This year, its the Orioles. Each game seems to be over before it starts. What can you do, that’s baseball.
When a team is averaging almost 9 runs a game against you, which the Orioles are against the Yankees this year, its not your year against a team.
They have to play them 6 more times this year. Until I see differently, I figure that’s a minimum of 5 losses. They now have to make up the rest of the wins on the remaining teams on the schedule. Starting tomorrow with the Tigers.
Played poorly for three days and have the results to show for it. Its the problem with these trap series. I’d rather the Yankees play teams with something to lose. They play better in those situations.
I’m not expecting the Yanks to score 10 runs; but getting shut out for 16 innings isn’t anything to be proud of either
Are we all coming to our senses and realizing the Red Sox weren’t collapsing and we were just playing out of our minds?
A-Rod with the steal….that’s showing some cajones !!!
I knew it. Matsui continues to piss me off.
Red Sox have 1 hit through 4innings against a pitcher with a 1-8 record and a 6+ERA.
Yankees have 2 hits through 4 against the best pitcher in the AL.
Kinda shows you what is what.
between innings i put on my got melky shirt… i havent worn it for a week. i think it will turn the yanks around
Bedard pitching today is a big reason I have a problem with us not even trying to win yesterday and starting Karstens. The guy is amazing.
Boring Bastage, you mean Cojones. Cajones are big Boxes.
i didn’t know cy young was pitching against us today…
No the Orioles aren’t pathetic and they don’t “suck.”
Quite honestly coming into today they are the favorites to win this game.
They have the better pitcher going today.
The yankees will also be the underdogs tomorrow at Detroit because Verlander is going. They could get shut down tomorrow and it wouldn’t be a big surprise.
This is why it is imperative that the yankees are starting to develop their own group of elite arms. There is just no way of getting around how important that is.
They are going to have to grit out this game and tomorrow night’s.
hip hip?
goddamnit a naughty by nature joke about obp on yes
cajones hahah!
i always thought it was opp?
What is the deal with the Yankees? They look flat and lost.
Rev Al:
Phillips could not have beat me to the base. He had ranged a good 25 feet off the bag to take the hit away from Redman. beyond that, Redman runs well.
Meanwhile, I love the people who are complaining about the lineup. It’s a day game after a night game, so Posada is the DH. Plus Torre sat guys (Damon, Giambi, Abreu, Cano) who are 12 of 64 against Bedard in their careers. That’s .188.
If you’re going to comment, try and pay attention. Just complaining because they are losing is pointless.
happy to see Dice-K getting his @$$ handed to him.
comeon yanks we need to score on this guy. he’s just pounding them in the zone!
I have some big Boxes too.
Forget losing.
Right now I just really, really want a run…
JL, no I meant big boxes…what does the “other” thing mean ?
He could have made it and it was better than throwing to Hughes who was on the run and a step behind Redmond. Would also have only scored 1, instead of 2. Bad play.
Why is Phillips hitting ahead of Duncan anyway?
“Plus Torre sat guys (Damon, Giambi, Abreu, Cano) who are 12 of 64 against Bedard in their careers. That’s .188.”
64 at-bats is a ridiculously small sample and not even worth noting. Damon, Giambi, Abreu, and Cano are on the bench because they’re left handed, simple as that.
Yeah, can we hit a double or something?
Pete: when i said i dont like the lineup thats what i meant. i dont like it. i didnt say joe torre was wrong for putting it out there just for the first time this season i havent looked at the lineup and said, “great”. thats all
“Matsui continues to piss me off.”
Did he piss you off in July when he was tearing the cover off the ball every time & racking up numerous runs, homers and RBIs to the tune of the best numbers in the league? And it’s not like he has sucked in August either, they’re facing an excellent pitcher today, they’re not gonna pound him, stop hating on Matsui!
yeah, left handed, and hitting .188 against Bedard.
The “deal” with the Yankees is that Erik Bedard is pitching. Don’t know if you’ve noticed, but he’s awesome.
Andy Phillips, on the other hand, is not. Good thing he infuses the lineup with spark, hustle, grit, charm, enthusiasm, and an average glove.
Cojones means bolas
desperation sets in, when we are rooting for the other team’s pitch count to go up, so we can have a shot at facing ANYBODY else…..fudge…really…. FUDGE !
This doesn’t look good. Yankees are completely off balance with this pitcher. Their swings are slow. Either Bedard has some nasty stuff going or the Yanks are just not seeing the ball.
rebecca: youve been asking for a run since the beginning of last nights game, idk if theyre listening
bowls ???
i can just see it now…….383 innings without a run. tough way to end a season.
bbb would you stop being a voice of reason, continually saying things that make sense… STOP IT NOW! hehe jk
not bowls lmao. Balls
“desperation sets in, when we are rooting for the other team’s pitch count to go up”
Is that desperation or is it just BASEBALL? Thats how the Yanks have beaten many a good pitcher in the past, drive up their pitch count and get into the middle relief…
…That’s not the type of plays that wins world series.
nice play Derek.
LOL sorry Boston Yank I will try to make less sense from now on. How’s this: Matsui sucks!! He should be 4-for-3 with 6 homers against Bedard!!!!111
LOL…sheesh I feel dirty even typing something like that.
Oh Hughes. You need to start living up to your hype a bit more.
“Either Bedard has some nasty stuff going or the Yanks are just not seeing the ball.”
Do some of you guys watch baseball? Bedard is one of the elite pitchers in the game.
Apparently, according to the N.Y. Times, his name is spelled Érik Bédard
“Did he piss you off in July when he was tearing the cover off the ball …”
As I said earlier, I know Matsui’s put up excellent numbers in the 2nd half. What I haven’t liked most of this year is he just seems to be trying pull everything, including in situations when they just need a single. In previous seasons I loved when he came up when the Yanks needed a single, and Matsui would so often hit a liner to the gap in left center. This year his power stroke in July was awesome, but I still think he comes up small much more often than he used to, when he’s not putting it in the seats.
Why must Bedard be so good?! And now we’re beating ourselves.
Oh, all right, Pete, I’ll pay attention. Is Betamit hitting from the right side (where he basically can’t hit) a better option than Cano? And is it worth giving up the glove at second base for that option? I get sitting Abreu. But it’s hardly out of line to wonder if Torre — always a man for the most obvious solution — has loaded up with at least one too many righties.
These E’s do blow though. But in optimism, I guess I’d rather they happen vs Bedard than a mediocre pitcher who we have a great chance to beat…
uhhh what is the injury delay?????
Peter- With all due respect, this lineup is embarassing, regardless of day game after night game or past history against Bedard. You are telling me it was a great idea to bench Boby Abreu in favor of Shelley Duncan or Cano in favor of a guy who hasnt made contact righthanded since his arrival? How would oyu feel if you spent hundreds of dollars on tickets and you got to see Shelley Duncan, Andy Phillips, Wilson Betemit and Jose Molina. It is a joke. The past history may say they dont hit Bedard well, but the other players past history say they dont hit ANYONE well.
Uh-Oh
“Oh Hughes. You need to start living up to your hype a bit more.”
Are you people serious with this stuff?
Marius,
It would be pretty impossible for him to live up to the hype. He had lebron sized hype coming into this season.
somebody please tell me that Phil is OK and that the injury is to the O’s – PLEASE!?!?!?
“As I said earlier, I know Matsui’s put up excellent numbers in the 2nd half. What I haven’t liked most of this year is he just seems to be trying pull everything”
OK fair enough Steve. I think that is a weakness that he recognizes in his own game though that he has tried to work through, with some success i.e. that game winning homer vs Pat Neshek. I didn’t mean to jump at you specifically, just getting a bit annoyed by the lofty expectations that some seem to have even vs an elite arm like Bedard…
Jeter was hurt but ok
I like the comment about Hughes needing to live up to the hype. If you’re watching this game, you’re unhappy with the score, but positively delighted that a 21-year-old with a nasty curveball who throws hard is pitching for the Yankees. Hughes has really, really good stuff. If he gets to his 30th birthday still making rookie mistakes, then you can gripe.
But it’s his 5th start in the majors? Just curious, but have you watched his road starts?
Yeah someone fill us Gamedayers in on the injury delay PLEASE!!
Since coming back, Hughes has not been dominant. He has been hyped as a dominant pitcher. His A, AA, AAA stats say he was dominant. He has not been dominant. But for a #5, he is doing very well.
I missed what happened. Important thing is he’s stayed in.
Adam, one can wonder about Hughes’ approach today, or at the least his command. He’s nibbling with his fastball — hence the walks — as if he doesn’t trust it. This puts him behind in counts, leads to walks, etc. And takes away, by and large, the curveball as a strikeout pitch. He’s also, and the numbers bear this out, having trouble pitching from the stretch (opponent batting average well over .300).
GO NYR–Let it go. What’s done is done. Bobby Abreu can’t hit lefthanders. Bedard will screw up Abooboo’s swing like Kazmir does. Have u been watching games?! Cano has played in almost every game so he got a day off. Big deal. Torre is playing percentages so get over it.
Thank you ‘GO NYR’ !
Thanks Go NYR.
JL
August 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
not bowls lmao. Balls
dude, I was yankin’ yer chain…LMAO…Have a great day, JL !
Drays score another one. 6-0
Red Sox have been kept to 2 hits through 5 against a 6+ERA pitcher who is actually now below 6 cause of the Red Sox.
UGH I can’t stand listing to Sterling. EVERYTHING IS SO NEGATIVE!!!
Hey adam. If all I have access to is Gameday and the skwaking on this site, how can I WATCH Bedard throw? Is there some remote feature from Gameday that shows a pitcher throw that I am unaware of? Or am I just suppose to envision Bedard throwing miraculously?
Ease up chump.
and the injury was ? and how easy do they run off hughes ? DANG !
SHELLEY DUNCAN!
Says “No way in hell are you getting four runs!”
Shelley Shelley!
who says shelly can’t play rf?
“shelley shoudlt be playing outfield. his defense has hurt the yankees”. where is that clown
E-ROC- Percentages??? Are you serious? What “percentages”? Righty against lefty is one of the most overrated thing ever
Yeah, BBB, I can’t expect much offense today from anyone against Bedard today. He’s got awesome stuff. But with a pitcher like that, it’s even MORE important to just try to go with the pitch and get a single rather than try to hit it into the bleachers against an awesome pitcher.
Meanwhile, Duncan rules!
Was that Duncan throwing out the runner at home? Shelley Duncan? The one that no one wanted in RF? Go Shelley!!
Now we’re griping about Hughes. LOL, stop the madness.
It’s also important to give the Orioles credit. Hughes’s biggest problem today hasn’t been his stuff. He’s not good yet at holding runners and while I hate to give Beckett credence, the Orioles have a pretty suspicious track record of knowing which pitch to run on.
The Orioles have played a pretty aggressive game, and I suspect that Hughes didn’t get too much work in holding on runners in Trenton or Scranton. With luck, he’s losing 1-0 right now.
“Just curious, but have you watched his road starts?”
I have noticed this disparity too…he has been lights-out on the road and struggled more at home…definitely interesting. Maybe it’s too small a sample size to be anything but a coincidence or maybe he just gets more nervous at home. But either way I agree, he has excellent stuff and I am very happy to have him in the rotation. And for those saying the hype is undeserved 4-almost-5 starts into his rookie year, go look up Clemens’ rookie numbers on baseball reference…kind of silly to jump the gun so quick.
I heard Shelley nailed him. How’d the throw look? Was he out a long way? Guess I’m asking if he has a plus arm.
Shelley Duncan was killing a bug infront of him, he is so good, he got patterson out at home
If you want to go by stats, here you go
Lefties BAA-.230 Righties BAA-.208
Boring Bastage,
I’m not a dude. I am a very pleasantly knock you off your feet opposite of that
Watching GameDay. Does Shelley have … a cannon for an arm? Or did he don his cape to get out Speedy Patterson at home?
Jeter owes Shelley a Shirley Temple. Wait, Duncan’s 27, he owes him a beer.
How was Shelley’s throw… was it pretty sweet? I can’t tell how close it was, but I’m real glad to see he hunted the guy down at home. Good for him
And Shelley with the base hit.
I love this kid!
“Adam, one can wonder about Hughes’ approach today, or at the least his command. He’s nibbling with his fastball—hence the walks—as if he doesn’t trust it. This puts him behind in counts, leads to walks, etc. And takes away, by and large, the curveball as a strikeout pitch. He’s also, and the numbers bear this out, having trouble pitching from the stretch (opponent batting average well over .300).”
He was rushed back to the majors after taking two months off. I doubt his arm strength is anywhere near it should/would be. I wouldn’t read too much into his performance in the next couple of months.
And as far as the last comment, what is the sample size on that? It must be beyond small if we’re only talking about the MLB level.
Shelley Duncan just started an arms race.
bbb i dont think your bf wants you to be saying stuff like that on the internet…
Phil is fighting against an excellent pitcher in Bedard, bad defense (both himself and Jeter) behind him and an atrocious umpire.
as soon as I type that Shelley bails him out.
Sweet, now the same clowns complaining about Duncan playing 20 minutes ago will be going nuts over him.
shelley duncan will now steal 2nd, 3rd, and home while running over paul bako and removing him from the game.
I guess Shelley Duncan made an adjustment to Bedard since he got a hit. He was a little more patient.
jl… those are my dads initials. if you are what you say you are im sorry but we could never be
Jeff- He hit Molina on a fly 10 feet or so up the 3rd base line and Molina tagged Patterson(?) on the way by
So adam, I was able to tell that single was blooper… no wait, a hard single, no wait just missed by the fielder, umm that madness… Damn you Gamedaaaaaaaaaaaay!
You can’t stop Shelley Duncan- you can only hope to contain him!!
AND Shelley singles? Why on earth is this guy playing?? So now can we all relax, stop dumping on poor Phil Franchise, and root for our team to wake up and score us some runs?
Christ turned blood in wine, Shelley Duncan turned that wine into beer and gave it to Derek Jeter
damn.
Anyone who’s watching this game who thinks Phil Hughes was “overhyped” doesn’t know anything at all about pitching.
Passer-by,
Very good point. He has a lot working against him in this game, like said. The ump being the biggest problem of the two.
Still, for a #1 prospect, he needs to step up and trust his stuff and lay in.
shelley has the best slides ever
Only on the Yankees would Shelley Duncan be called a kid.
Tejada didnt lose that ball. That ball saw shelley duncan coming and flew off
Melky’s given Bedard the most trouble today. He smoked the ball in the first and worked a long walk in the third.
1-6-3 DP
SJ44, I respect your opinion very highly, but to say pencil in 5 losses in the remaining 6 games against the Orioles is not one of your finer posts.
…Wow. What a way to kill an inning.
Froemming being pretty generous on that call. Hard to see where the transfer was on that throw.
Bruce needed to retire 3 years ago. At this stage of his career, he is an awful umpire. Just getting by on reputation these days.
Phil Hughes was 20 years old coming into this season and had two plus pitches in his repertoire – his fastball and curve.
One of the major development goals for him this year (and a big reason why he didn’t start the season in the bigs) was to develop this change up.
Unfortunately he got hurt and couldn’t work on that pitch.
In the majors he will need a plus third pitch. Everyone knows this – phil, torre, guidry, contreras, etc. It’s not a secret.
His performance now and for the rest of the year has nothing to do with him not living up to his “hype.” Nor about him “nibbling” or “trusting his stuff.” That makes Hughes sound like Matt DeSalvo.
It will have to do with the natural bumps that come as young pitchers develop and will have to do with the significant development time he lost this year. That’s it.
JL
August 15th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Boring Bastage,
I’m not a dude. I am a very pleasantly knock you off your feet opposite of that
does this mean that yer perty ?
Once again, a waste of an inning.
nothing big about it… just not getting it done, unlucky, stuff liek that. nothing big to look in to
OK guys gotta go to lunch w/the in-laws…Boston Yank, CB and other voices of reason, hold down the fort up in heeeah!
And hey, it could be worse…we could be down 0-6 to Andy Sonnanstine rather than 0-3 to the league leader in K’s! This one aint over yet…LET’S GO YANKEES!!!
yankee fans need to realize that hughes is a huge bust. hes 21 and while that seems young, he just doesn’t have the stuff that a wakefield does. the yankees this off season must try to trade hughes while his value is somewhat high and get a moises alou or a reggie sanders.
“Still, for a #1 prospect, he needs to step up and trust his stuff and lay in.”
Mouthbreathing, stupid comment
Anyone with half a brian could tell that it is physically impossible that Tejada had control of that ball. If it was in his glove, under control, it would be impossible for the ball to shoot 20 feet into leftfield
Great, the only chance we had was that Bedard’s pitch count was up, with that DP, he is back to normal at 78 over 5 innings.
Bedard was very rocky when he first came up. I remeber we rocked him a few times. Now he has matured and is nasty. Phil is way ahead of where Bedard was when he came up. The real thing to be upset about here is that the Yankees gave away these last two games. Karstens yesterday was a joke. He should never start another game for the Scranton/WB Yankees, much less this team. And to have line-up lite today is pathetic. Agree with Go NYR (and disagree with Pete), you do not sit your best line-up against one of the best pitchers. Ridiculous. As I said last night, the lack of urgency is appalling. Torre, per usual is managing like he has a 5 game lead. He must go at the end of the season.
GO NYR–Thanx for the stats. Go watch Abreu hitting against Kazmir. Then watching the following games and tell me what happen. As for the “percentages”, I wasn’t talking about stats. Righty vs Lefty in general sometimes works.
I love Duncan’s balls to the walls (or, rather, Boxes to the walls) play, but I have to believe I’d hate him if I was a fan of an opposing team and I saw him sliding so hard and late into 2nd base. He could break a SS’s leg(s). If he doesn’t take a ball into the face at some point I’ll be a little surprised.
Why JOE??
“bbb i dont think your bf wants you to be saying stuff like that on the internet…”
What did I say? I didn’t type out loud about the dream I had about Andy Pettitte last night did I? lolz
Sorry for the typo, it was supposed to say “brain”, not brian. I dont know many people with half a “brian”
guess Baltimore is this years equivalent to our 2005 Tampa Bay.
Sean Henn. Game. Set. Match. The Orioles win. TTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Orioles win.
He could break a SS’s leg(s).
Shelley Duncan craves but one thing, the sound of broken ss’s legs. Let him be
no offense, but some of you need to look into this:
http://acomplaintfreeworld.fob.....r_Form.php
“A Complaint Free World”
E-ROC- “Righty vs Lefty in general sometimes works.” That was a brilliant statement. How long did it take to come up with that.
Tell me how a right handed hitter who cant hit anyone is gonna hit a lefty who is leading the Majors with 200+ strikeouts
Adam–Is Henn really that bad??
Right, come on Yanks, let’s do this!
Until I see differently, that’s how I see it.
Some teams matchup better than others. The Orioles matchup well against the Yankees this year.
They have won every series, if they hold on today.
Their Top 3 guys, Guthrie, Cabrera and Bedard have pretty much dominated the Yankees lineup this year.
They steal bases, a la the Angels, at will against Yankee pitchers.
They are averaging 9 runs a game against Yankee pitching.
Its the one team on the schedule the Yankees have yet to solve this year. There always seems to be one and this year its the Orioles.
That’s why its going to be tough for the Yankees in the next 6 against them.
They just have to play better against the other teams on the schedule. Its certainly doable and I expect them to play well against the other teams the rest of the season.
People ripping on Hughes crack me up. He lost a run when Duncan misplayed a ball in right. That also cost him about 10 pitches on his pitch count.
He makes the play at first, he saves another 10-12 pitches and is still in this game.
How many balls were hit hard today? Not too many.
He’s the 5th starter on the staff and its his 5th ML start. Relax.
If you think he is “overhyped”, I wonder if you thought so last Friday night in Cleveland.
The kid is learning on the job. He will be fine.
I hope the Yankees have another 10 “overhyped” guys like Hughes in their farm system. It would mean the next 10 years is going to be exciting.
Wow, four singles in two games (unless there is an offensive explosion by the Yanks before the end of this one)…talk about the good offensive vibes coming to a screeching halt. Of course, they face a resurgent Verlander tomorrow, so the drought is bound to continue against him. Unfortunately, we can’t afford an offenisve shutdown and/or another serious losing streak if we want to make the playoffs. This sucks…
Sean Henn is the worst pitcher the Yankees have ever had. If you thought Jeff Karstens was bad, watch Sean Henn stumble through this 1-2-3 inning against the heart of the Baltimore order.
Oh.
Lauren- Some people need to take this test
http://www.kathimitchell.com/commons.htm
I forgot Henn was even on the roster, honestly.
Can the Yanks figure out how to start Hughes only in road games? Then again, it doesn’t seem that he pitched that badly, but the team just reeks against Bedard.
The boys came too close to having a stiff team keep them from the playoffs two years ago, they’d better figure out how to beat the Borioles now. And the Tigers have turned off the suck infusion so the next two weeks will be tense.
http://www.blogger.com/post-ed.....5928309557
Betemit defeats the point of switch hitting
Fair enuf, CB. Then let’s just agree that he didn’t have much command today, threw too many balls, and too many pitches as a result. (And none of the later have anything to do with developing a third pitch.)
Wilson B. strikes out EVERY TIME against Bedard ? maybe someone needs to pinch hit for him next time ? ya think ?
Boston Yankee, that’s really funny. What’s even funnier is that I’m the biggest Yankee chick fan ever and whenever I’m around Red Sox fan they all feel the need to hit on me.
It is so painful to watch the Yankees when they have trouble hitting. Bedard is a good pitcher but they have seen him before and they still seem to have a very bad approach to their ABs. Lefthanders with good control continue to give the Yankees huge problems.
The idea that a different line up would have likely produced a different result today or that this is somehow Torre’s fault is ridiculously.
Bedard is dominating today. That’s the end of story.
If you put the worst eight players in baseball behind Bedard today that team would still be favored to beat the yankees.
People obsess about the line up because its easy to observe. It changes therefore that must be the reason the game goes the way it does.
Torre manages like he has a five game lead? Really – is that why he manages the bullpen every game like there is no tomorrow?
This is baseball – great pitching is nearly everything. And right now this season Bedard has not simply been good, he’s been great. He did the same thing to Boston last week until he tired in the eighth.
This is exactly why the yankees lost to Detroit last year in the playoffs despite the fact the yankees (like right now) were scorching and detroit tanked the end of last season in a historic way.
This is also why Joba, Phil and Kennedy’s development this year are more important than the outcome of this season.
“I forgot Henn was even on the roster, honestly.”
He just got called up yesterday.
Oops.
meant to link here:
http://thekeymonk.blogspot.com.....in_15.html
GO NYR–Which righthanded hitter are talking about?
Betemit should probably stop switch hitting, and he definitely shouldn’t be batting 2nd in the order right-handed.
k bbb say hi to the in-laws
we’re all still sure we’d take wang over bedard any day of the week and twice on sunday, right?
bottom line: the offense couldn’t figure out a very good pitcher and the offense has fallen asleep. they better figure out a way to beat good pitching because they’re going to see an awful lot of it in the next two weeks.
You guys are rough on Henn, when hes actually been here this year, he has not really been too bad, aside from a few outings. Usually throws strikes at least, much more watchable than the pitchers they threw last night.
I think Hughes needs to talk to Joba about that slider
I think Hughes needs to talk to Joba about that slider
A Dominator like Bedard will carry Baltimore to the world series.
Expecting Hughes to be anything other than a work in progress right now is ridiculous. Just because we need him to be an ace at the moment isn’t magically going to transform him into one. The same goes for Wang. The Yanks have some guys who can throw a decent game now and then, but no bona fide ace…That’s one of the problems I see with them beating out the other contenders for the Wild Card down the stretch. Seattle has Felix, Detroit has Verlander and the Indians have Sabathia. We’re definitely at a disadvantage.
Oh. Is Bedard buying World Series tickets for the rest of the team?
Harley,
Actually those things have everything to do with not having a third pitch. Without that third pitch major league hitters can guess/ sit on pitches and be right at a much higher rate.
They can also lay off pitches they don’t like much more easily.
This forces pitchers to try to be even more precise with their control because command comes at an even greater premium when that third pitch isn’t fully developed.
Even though Phil hasn’t pitched much this year his change has improved markedly and its at least an average pitch. But by this time next year it will be a plus pitch for him.
It’s just time. That’s young pitching. If you ever want to see yankees pitchers putting up the type of performance bedard has today you will have to be patient enough to go through small bumps like today without saying he’s “overhyped.”
Yeah, I’m sorry but the O’s will need a whole lot more than Bedard to make it to the Series.
E-ROC- Betemit has made contact a few times from the rightside, Molina got a few hits but is hitting around .200 and Andy Phillips has holes and it only tool a week or 2 for the league to figure him out. The jury is still out on Duncan but he too has looked lost at times
!!
rally rally rally rally rally rally come ON
I HATE MATSUI HE SUCKS!
I told you Matsui’s been pissing me off…
Why was that not an error?
Jorge Posada is a bust.
no more porn for matsui.
im being sarcastic tool.
did you hear jose offferman got arrested
Meanwhile, it’s nice to see Dice-K getting shelled by Tampa. Oh, and the mighty Sox are getting shutdown by some nobody named Andy Sonnanstine (with an ERA near 6). We might have our problems, but, man, so do the Sux right now!
BY- Offerman lost hs mind. He could have killed the guy
That’s okay. This could be it for Bedard, he’s up over 100 pitches.
GO NYR–I’ll give u Betemit. U should walk up to Betemit and tell him to stay a lefthanded hitter. Molina has been hot lately. I’ll give u Phillips, too. Duncan may have looked lost in his first AB against Bedard, but he made adjustments in his second AB, like taking pitches.
i know classic red sock…
CB, fair enough. I’d never call him ‘overhyped’ anyway. But I’d still suggest his command wasn’t up to par today. And in all honesty, I don’t entirely buy the third pitch argument. Walks hurt him badly today, and that’s a function of the two pitches he’s throwing. Not the one he hasn’t mastered yet. If they were raking his fastball, etc. Then you might have a point.
Baltimore’s 2008 rotation:
E. Bedard
A. Loewen
J. Guthrie
D. Cabrera
G. Olson
E-ROC-Betemit surprised me when he fouled one off. It really tells you how lost he is from the Right side when he was tryin to bunt for a hit.
Hughes is going to be a very good pitcher for the Yankees. The injury set him back this year. He makes rookie mistakes too. There is a big difference between AAA and the major leagues. It is a game of adjustment, and the ones that figure it out and have talent stick around. Others don’t. Hughes will figure it out and so will Chamberlain, but it will take time.In the meantime hopefully the Yankees can stay in the race.
“Oh, and the mighty Sox are getting shutdown by some nobody named Andy Sonnanstine (with an ERA near 6).”
Sonnanstine is a very talented rookie that has far better peripherals than his ERA would indicate. He’s a good pitcher and certainly not a nobody.
Sean Henn is so bad at pitching that it’s almost unwatchable.
Peter,
Why print something with such a small sample size like P-Huge’s road/home split? You’re just going to feed the morons here and lead to people jumping to baseless conclusions.
Dang, Gary Glover is pathetic. The Devil Rays may have been better off bringing in Danny Glover!!!
Yankees projected rotation for 08 in no particular order
Hughes
Chaimberlain
Wang
Pettitte
Mussina
SJ,
I certainly agree regarding Hughes. However, I feel that he was definitely “overhyped.” That is not to say I don’t think he’s ridiculously good and is going to have a great career, but people were expecting way toooo much out of 20/21 year old.
Yikes,
It’s been an ugly 16 innings or so for the Yankees.
first ugeth urbina now jose offerman… where do they find these guys
Have to say that I’m not very confident at all that the D-Ray relievers can preserve a three-run lead in Boston.
Adam – Sonnanstine might be talented, but, come on now, with that ERA he is still definitely a “nobody.” When he matures into the next Bedard, then he will be somebody.
There’s been a lot of discussion recently about Joba’s future – starter vs. reliever/ heir apparent for Mariano.
When you look at what Bedard did to this Yankee team today think about Joba doing that every fifth day to the opposition and throwing 200 innings of dominant ball vs. 50 innings as a closer.
The yankees need to have starters at the elite level to get back to winning championships.
You can’t send a guy like Joba who can hit 98 mph at the knees as a starter in the seventh inning to the pen long term.
If the Yankees could play defense today, it wouldn’t feel like they’re losing 21 0
Here comes everybody’s favourite reliever..
Yah 08 I think will look like
Wang
Moose
Pettitte (Or move everybody up and put Ian Kennedy in the 5th spot if Pettitte decides not to pitch)
Hughes
Chamiberlain
Edwar with the action shot on GameDay…. Nice!
it is a little soon to post road-home splits. The kid has made 6 starts. In that case um Joba Chaimberlain is better against lefties. BAA against is .000 and his BAA for righties is .100. Lefties cant touch this guy!!!
Hopefully the yanks can come back today. If not, hope they are ready for the Tigers.
oh god… edwar…
Well maybe if we get three or four runs next inning we have a Joba 8th?
It’s a hope…
Nice job Edwar
way to be efficient, Edwar!
saucy: jobas is better
I’m excited. My favorite hitter is set to lead off the bottom of the 7th. I hope Joe Torre won’t pull some boneheaded stunt by pinch hitting the vastly inferior Jason Giambi for him (assuming Bedard comes out). Andy Phillips is a devoted young man whose charm and enthusiasm and hustle make him a great candidate to hit a 250-foot fly ball to Corey Patterson.
He’s only “overhyped” in people’s minds because folks are talking about him.
Sorry but, when you have just turned 21, are pitching for the New York Yankees, and pitching well, despite missing three months of the season with an injury, I think that’s pretty damn impressive.
Its just that folks expect the kid to be perfect at all times.
If Phil Hughes is a “problem”, I really hope they have more “problems” like him.
This series is very simple to breakdown…..they are playing a hot team with nothing to lose, and their pitchers have been solid for two days. That’s baseball.
As I type this, Edwar comes in and gets the job done. Great for him!!
They have 3 innings to try and steal this game. If not, then tee it up tomorrow.
I don’t think this series is going to derail this team. They may not play .750 baseball the rest of the year but, its a damn good team right now.
Rebecca-
That’d be nice. Though it means he’ll miss the first game of the tigers series.. I guess hes going to miss a game anyway if he pitches in the first or second of that series.
Im thinkin the Yankees tie it this inning, Joba throws the 8th and they take the lead in the 8th. I think a reasonable goal is 2 runs this inning
I can dig it, DMan77.
Hopefully the Yanks collectively get angry enough at getting shut out/embarassed two days in a row that they come out like gangbusters against Detroit. Of, course the flipside is they could just continue to tank like they did far too often earlier this year. I certainly hope not, though… We’ve come too far to lose it now!
If we’re going to lose, can we at least let Brian Roberts get some hits and help my fantasy team?
I never said he had any problems. After he threw his 6 1/3 no hit innings the hype surrounding him was incredible. It was like Lebron prior to his rookie season. People expected him to pitch like that everytime out which is just absurd. Maybe that’s not hype, but people’s expectations were just unrealistic.
and we have 6 more games against Baltimore.
Right on, halfz> Yeah, why use the all-stars on the bench? This is giveaway game 2, whatever that is.
Edwar, Edwar his our man !!!!! Love these rookies.Never know what you going to get from them.
CALLED IT!
Some guys have warning track power. Andy Phillips has outfield grass power. That’s exciting!
“make him a great candidate to hit a 250-foot fly ball to Corey Patterson.”
Ha, excellent call.
Phillips NEEDS to take some pitches.
Right now, I’d settle for one run.
Bedard is past 100 pitches. This has to be it for him.
Yikes.. 8 outs left to score 3.
I think we have the best bench in the history of baseball today.
Cano
Giambi
Abreu
Damon
“make him a great candidate to hit a 250-foot fly ball to Corey Patterson.�
“”Ha, excellent call.”"
Hah yup very nice call.
bedard is filthy
I think we can officially say that Baltimore is now the hottest team in baseball. 2 from the Sox and now a great chance of taking 2 from us.. Whew..
can we please take some pitches
Could we please get some major leaguers in the game. I feel like it is the Scranton Wilkes Barre Yankees playing.
Go NYR- I agree. So let’s get them in this game and try and do something. Anything.
We better score like 20 a game against Detroit.
I don’t know why we’ve suddenly decided to copy the Dodgers…and I’m really, really not liking the O’s right now…
Bedard is a very good pitchers but striking out Betemit 3 times and holding the rest of the quadruple A hitters to no runs is no great accomplishment
Singleton and Kay expressed surprise that Bedard would come out to pitch the 7th. Don’t know why. Bedard could have torn his rotator cuff and he still probably would have gotten at least two of those guys out.
Anyway, I hate to be the pessimistic fan. I’m not too bothered by a possible loss today. Erik Bedard is awesome.
Rick
Hah yah, but figure 4 games agasint the tigers and then 3 agasint the Angels.. I think Joe just figured the numbers and thought the Yankees second string had a better chance of beating the O’s then they did beating the tigers or the halos.. So he mine as well rest them up today..
Ah well.
At least we won’t see the Orioles again until September 17!
hey guys!!! apparently the top three average pitch counts for batters are owned by guys who dont swing at the first pitch much… WOW that is mindblowing analysis
Edwars Gameday picture is pretty cool.
Well look at this on the bright side. Everyone is rested even the players on the field. They haven’t had to run the bases much.
Edwar is awesome.
Edgar got a wow from Millar. Must be as filthy as they say.
Oh well, go Twins!
C’mon Yanks!
Score some runs. Please?
edwar rules, fire joba!
Very nice job by Edwar and Henn today.
Silver lining in this game if these guys can give them some quality innings the rest of the way.
Great job of bouncing back by Edwar. It takes a lot of guts to overcome that bad outing and go out there and shut down a hot team. Solid, solid job.
what was that with mora and the ump?
Yah, I hope this isn’t the last we see of Edwar for another 3 weeks like the case was last time he was up..
migames August 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
edwar rules, fire joba!
YOU HOLD YOUR TONGUE!
Good lord that is a lot of money for Brackman. I guess his potential is unlimited, but still. The guy has had eblow troubles and didn’t pitch well at all this past season. I hope he is healthy and can harness his incredible stuff.
Go NYR: So you’re calling ARod and Jeter quadruple A-worthy?
Edwar and Henn have done a nice job of keeping us in it. Let’s get some runs!!
hoey in, now time for a blast-blast-blast
but i’ll settle for a bloop-bloop-blast
Word is Brackman signed … Baseball America says he has as much upside as Betances … more power arms for the farm …
Is it just me or does it seem like Cashman is sneaking a rebuilding of the pitching staff year in right under our noses with all these rookies?
okay time to rally… use that bench!
Thanx for the update Pete! Brackman is signed.
Wow that Brackman deal is absurd. I hope they didn’t cave to boras and give him a major league contract.
Melky has got to stop sliding head first into 1B
Unlike Boston’s rebuilding last year … the Yanks are still in the playoff chase …
Evidently, Melky didn’t understand when they told him to stop sliding into first. Cost him a hit again.
Wow yah, Brackman turned out to be expensive. Yikes.
melky i love you but stop sliding
Que Sabes, Robbie Cano?
Pete, Brackman already gave up Basketball last year. I think you may have gotten bogus info because those numbers dont even make sense. Based on service time?
That’s a lot of friggin’ money. He better donate to the E-ROC foundation.
how many hits does A-Rod have today?
dontfirecash….
he has… he didnt slide in head first
Why do I have a feeling the Red Sox have a much better chance of coming back against the Devilled Eggs than the Yankees do against Baltimore?
God Damn John Sterling is an idiot; He was unaware that Betemit was no longer in the game.
Go NYR
He’s 2-2
2
I’m really not liking Tampa’s bullpen today.
tampas gonna blow it
who is wearing number two cause that sure as hell isnt jeter
Unbelievable.
I’m not liking TB’s bullpen anyday.
I dunno. The Yankees need to use their financial advantages whenever appropriate. Putting up some dough to sign a prospect is certainly part of that.
Damn Jeter..
Could have really sued a run or 2 that inning…
Today? What about yesterday when giving up the game tying HR just wasn’t enough for them?
Sucks when you run into an *ACE* like Bedard but 2 games in a row shutout at Home?
That’s a little troublesome. Hopefully the team can bounce back against the Tigs. Then again another *ACE* in Verlander is pitching tomorrow so this could be a bit of a rough stretch in the road. Hopefully it’s not a prolonged stretch like it was up there in Colorodo/SanFran. This team can’t afford that now.
Skars:
Who said he gave up basketball? He didn’t play for one year, doesn’t mean he gave it up in the eyes of Scott Boras.
Teams are allowed to cut such deals for two-sport athletes, guaranteeing money contingent on them giving up the other sport.
The information isn’t bogus. I don’t just put stuff out there.
I have no problem with signing Brackman, obviously. It just seems like a ton of money for a guy with a spotty injury history. I guess the Yanks feel he is healthy. If healthy, he’s worth the dough.
There’s nothing on the Baseball America blog on signings about Brackman yet.
AAARGH Tampa Bay- lead down to 6-4.
Yeah, there is no way Brackman got that kind of money unless the Yankees just went crazy.
matsui should have been taken out of the game on the spot when he didn’t hustle to second on the dropped flyball ball. he does too much of that kind of brain dead stuff for a player of his level. damon is looking for playing time. why should matsui be a lock out there with that kind of effort?
This does not look good. Can’t believe the only two series lost since the break are both to the Orioles. What gives? 17 innings with out a run and 6 hits in two days. Vacation over boys, Tigers come to town tomorrow.
my apologies pete, i just noticed the fine print of the article last year on him “giving up basketball”
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/.....id=2620502
okay tampa is blowing it
looks like TB will blow it, 6-4, 2 men on
Boston,
Is anyone surprised?
6-4 Tampa at the end of 8…
Serious work to do
TB survived the 8th. Now to the 9th . . .
Tampa desperately needs a couple of runs in the Top of the 9th.
no… no im not. and its dan wheeler their best reliever. god im happy im nota a tampa fan
pitching was good today for the Yankees. The only problem is you have to score to win and the yankees haven’t done that today.
Yanks come back or not?
Score at least?
SJ44: There’s your silver lining!
Edwar is really great!
Who is this pitcher?
Ok, come on guys! 3 big ones and some PH opportunities coming up…
No Chris Ray to officially end our day? this could be a break – comeon Alex!
p.s. GO DRAYS!!
Baez
who is baez? are you serious?
This could be the chance. Baez is awful.
Stop looking at Boston scores. The division is just a tease, Wild Card will the Yankees ticket in.
If anything going into the playoffs as the Wild Card could be great for the Yankees. Underdog, under the radar for once, possibly? Maybe not…
Excellent- Baez is much worse with men on base- should be Matsui, Posada, Giambi, Abreu.
Here we go
Right, Posada, Game tying HR. Right now. It’d be sooo cool.
alright, lets go here. Andy Phillips better not hit.
Ray is on the DL.
Baez is the perfect guy to comeback on.He has 3 pitches
wild, wild and wild.
yanks will win
DAMMIT MATSUI YOU SUCK!!! GOD DAMMIT JUST GET TRADED ALREADY! GO BACK TO JAPAN. oh yea btw joe torre you suck too
Walker in the pen for our lefties
Walker in the pen for our lefties
I guess Torre didn’t ruin Edwar’s career after all, huh?
Let’s keep it going!!!
alright come on Yankks. If Andy Phillips gets anywhere near home plate i’m going to be pissed.
Wouldn’t mind hearing a “Jorge Juiced one” from Sterling right about now.
For those who are wondering, I’m pretty sure Chris Ray is injured.
that wall of sound sh1t needs to go. it makes him sound dumber than he is
Please tell me someone other than Phillips is actually on deck. Damon? Giambi? Either can play first.
OMG – COMEON YANKS!
Giambino will win it.
keep the line movin Jorgie
“Matsui singles on a sharp ground ball to the center fielder.”
How exactly can that be a sharp one? I always thought it had to do with the angle the ball made (like “sharp ground ball to left field”, for a ball to the corner, and stuff like that.)
August 15th, 2007 at 10:58 am
I hate these afternoon games. The Yanks always seem so lethargic in these games. remember last year ALDS game 2 against Detroit. With Bedard today, we’re going to drop back to 6 games behind the sox. Baseball blows.
Not gonna happen, friend…Yankees are gonna KILL THE BIRDS today…tune in for the massacre !!!
Can someone tell Sterling to call the game properly. I was just reading Pete’s updates and he said that Duncan was safe. Well Sterling and Suzy are saying the call was correct. Nice to know that the people who are supposed to by my eyes need to get them checked.
Three strikeouts by Edwar in a close game.
See I knew we were right and Torre was wrong (sticking with PRoctor and Farnsworth).
Darn he swung at ball 4.
Jorge swung at ball four, bah
ball 4
So the Yankees officially announced that Brackman needs elbow surgery and they are still giving him a $3.3 million bonus? Jesus.
Did he swing at ball four?
JORGE ! DAMN !
yes
Bobby for Phillips? Huh?
Ahh dammit. 1 out…
taken the bait… i wouldnt call it that clever of a move lol i love torre but taking the bait?
Adamn,
agreeed it is extremely excessive. Consider that it is 3x more than Joba got.
Abreu needs to get a hit here
No game ending double play please
Posada got himself out in that at bat.
Time to hear “El Como Dulce Bobby Abreu is sweet as Candy!”
No kidding Jennifer. I hate being forced to listen to him and Waldman during these day games. I will never understand how the New York Ynakees have these 2 clowns as their voice.
Abreu? Setting myself up for a massive dish of crow but I don’t like Abreu coming off the bench cold to hit against a Lefty.
I say he K’s…
Kill me for being negative!
Walker is pretty good we could be in trouble here
What’s the matter Lori? Duncan could move to first, or Giambi (in the event of PH for Duncan). It doesn’t seem like a bad move to me when you consider Bobby’s the tying run, so you’d want a little more speed than Jason, ideally. (OBP is a great thing, but it’d take a little more to drive Jason home than Bobby in this case)
Jeter to Duncan- Do the opposite of what I did today
Have the Yanks been able to hit Walker this year???
Lori: Abreu for Phillips because then if he gets on base (hopefully a walk), then Giambi comes up for Duncan.
Do they put the double steal on here?
Duncan will win this :-p
Come on Bobby … be the man!
We could get a walk off HR by Shelley if Abreu walks. That would be something, if that happens.
col: giambi wont come in
Ball 4 again
Bobby …
good job bobby.
ooooo an inch too low
That last pitch looked borderline on Gameday, was it?
Duncan tied the game!!
WOW!
Shelley!!!
i dont like this much… sorry i wanna be positive but..
SHELLEY DUNCAN!!!!!!!!!!
Wow.
I don’t believe what I just saw!
SDFLFJKLDF
Shelley, will you marry me?
SHELLLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUNCAN!!!
BOO YAH
Dunc!
Shelly Duncan is mightier than we ever imagined!
ashahaha YES MAKE ME EAT MY WORDS YES!!!
What’s wrong w Giambi?
the legend grows…
Why is Jose hitting for himself?
heroic!!
OH MY GOD
THan was my first reaction
SHELLEY IS THE MAN!!!
Shelley you are the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how can you lose a 3-0 game without Giambi or Damon getting an at-bat. Something isn’t right there.
THIS is why Cairo went down and why Torre and the Yanks love Duncan.
HOLY COW!
SLAM DUNCAN YO!! Let’s win this game now!
Back to back???
SHHHHHHHEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ok, Im ok, I promise.
SHE-DUNC!!!!!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!!
Wow. Duncan is a cult legend
No way. No way. I love Shelley Duncan. Plain and simple. Now if TB just holds on, the day will be good.
WOW!!!!!
shelly fer prez!!!
Holy crap!
DUNCAN IS THE MAN!
“E-ROC August 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
We could get a walk off HR by Shelley if Abreu walks. That would be something, if that happens.”
Not quite walk-off, but GREAT CALL!
*OMIGOD*
SHELLEY !!
SHELLEY !!
SHELLEY !!
Holy Cow is right.
I kinda called it, if only Bobby had gotten on base ;o)
I have a feeling the winning run will get to the plate this inning.
The best part? Bedard can’t get the win, and Hughes can’t get the loss.
Come on Melky lets win this game(which the Yanks had no business winning)
SHELLY FOR PRESIDENT…. VOTE NOW VOTE OFTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im telling you
I’m a moron…great stuff.
there IS a GOD !
I wonder if Shelley broke anybodys forearms on his way through the dugout this time..
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLL YEAAAAAAAAAAH MOFOS!
Sterling, gimme something! Shelley shelled one! SOMETHING, ANYTHING! I was just hoping when he started the it is high, that he wouldnt give me a heart attack and do the its caught!
If Shelley Duncan wasn’t real, someone would have to invent him. And then no one still would believe the story. .
Wooo! I’m at work following online, and when the page refreshed I couldn’t believe it! DUNCAN!!!
Joba for the 10th?
For it’s still a tie game.
Baseball still blows.
col: “whats wrong with giambi” no dude giambi is a lefty and the pitcher is a lefty specialist…
holy crap
Mike NYY
August 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Shelley Duncan for president!!!!
—————————————
Anyone want to second my nomination?
melhall3, you were saying?
I was hoping Torre wouldn’t PH for him, given his power vs LH, and Giambi’s 320 OBP vs. LHP, and this is a great reward!
for what it’s worth, tampa’s about to give boston their second straight gift game, so the yankees better figure out a way to turn shelley’s shot into a win.
Once again Reyes is blowing a save.
SHELL-LEE DUNK-CAN
*Clap*Clap*ClapClapClap
SHELLEY SLAM-DUNCAN!
Gotta hand it to the kids from SWB for holding it at 3 runs.
With Two outs, NO LESS!!
Baby BOMBERS!!!
If anyone is watching the game…did anyone see Matsui go flying after he gave Duncan a high five
Shelley Duncan is the reason why Waldo is hiding
Who’s warming up for the 10th?
Red Sox are rallying. Lugo on second with no outs. Still 6-5 Rays though
Melky is due!
nate
August 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
darn- there goes the dual no-hitters ending in a bottom 9 walk off by shelly…
You know, it wasn’t a walk off, but i’ll take a game tying home run!
Forget about the 10th!
Lugo just doubles to bring the Sox to within 1 run with no outs
If we win, I’ll vote for Duncan, otherwise John Edwars
Do you think we can give TB Farnsworth? You know, kind of a gift.
Sterling just gave me a heart attack
ARGH Melky! Just a bit more …
Rivera or Chamberlain in the 10th if we get that far?
Rivera’s tired so I think I`d actually go for Chamberlain at least to start the inning
Did I ever tell anyone how much I hate the RAYS?!!
If we can’t win it here in the 9th, i wonder if it’s Joba time…
the red sox… fu**!
OMG – with Sterling’s fake-out of a call, I almost spilled my soda down my shirt.
MELKY ?????????????
Where’s JOBA???
lori: havent they had farnsworth?
Duncan at first, Abreu in right, Joba on the mound?
sheeellllleeeyyyyy! sheeelllllleeeeeyyyyy!
jennifer, they’re still up by one…
Reyes will lose the game for Tampa…bet on it…that BASTAGE !!!
Shelley’s dinger took out the left field light stand – it’s in a million tiny little pieces.
More Duncan, please
Shelly Duncan CAN believe its not butter.
Mo, you are on fire today, okay?
Shelly Duncan KNOWS Victoria’s Secret
I know I thought it was over too!! Damn Sterling. SOmeone get him new glasses.
joba will be in after mariano if it goes that far
shelley injured himself and everyone else with his ridiculous celebrations
Youky just struck out swinging
one more to go
boston down to their last out!
come on mo..jesus 3 straight bad outings
why mo instead of joba?
why mo instead of joba?
hahaha youk struck out then hit himself on the head with a bat cause he was pissed… haha thats smart
Oh no
Oh no Mo …
No Joba today, interesting!
BostonYankee – don’t think so. He spent most of his time with the Cubs. Then split a year with Detroit and Atlanta.
C’mon Mo, we can’t lose this one now!
2 out in boston, ortiz up
Yikes Mo.
We’ve come this far already, gotta HOLD ON!
missed it by a foot? thats the HUGEST FOOT ive ever seen
They’re not giving Big Poopi anything to hit
mo is the logical choice. for as good as joba is, mo’s our closer remember
okay lori. id take it send him down there for wheeler!
full count to ortice down by one man on second two out… uh oh
Rivera’s tired though. He has been used a lot and hasn’t been sharp lately
What’s wrong with Mo?
Well you know what they say about Mo. It’s always the bloops. Except when it’s not, of course.
walked him
this could be more painful than losing in the ninth. shoulda been joba.
Damn whats wrong with mo?
I don’t understand. Is it a tired arm period.
is mo injured?
come on mariano, this is not good.
Oh &()&(#$&
Can we see Joba?
say it ain’t MO !…DUDES and DUDETTES,,,he has NOT been good lately…plain and simple….THAT SUCKS !
Anyone hear Sterlings call?…. what did he say…..
Uggggg C’mon MO
NOOOOO – we can’t have survived this game to have Mo lose it.
He must have a tired arm. Something isn’t right with him lately.
Is it time to start wondering if Mo is hurting?
pretty disappointing to watch mo give the game right back to the o’s. that’s three straight poor appearances. might be time to start seriously considering giving him 2 straight days off.
Marino looks like he might need some time off. Something is not right there.
Pretty disappointing loss.
I knew they should have used Chamberlain. 7th Torre loss this season
Is Joba atleast warming up or are we going to let this one slip away???!
Fruitbat is cooked.
Stick a fork in em
THIS SUUUUUUUUUUCKS
dont expect to see joba this inning. they dont want to bring him in in the middle of innings
Edwar to closer. Book it!
OH NO MO!! MO whats wrong?
Way to go Mo.
…
Joba time
Please
Oh.
I cannot believe that after all this, there’s a high probability of us losing this game.
Can we stop playing Baltimore this year? Is that possible?
god Mariano is terrible today. What a dissapointing way to lose the game.
i hate you mariano
God Damnit
RIP Fruitbat
what the hell. is he hurt?
Disgusting. Mariano is done.
I guess you can start wondering about Mo and someone needs to check with Torre, b/c Joba has just been insane since his promotion.
And hey, it gets worse. Thanks Yanks.
Something’s definitly not right with Mo there.
is it just me or is the cutter just not cutting?
I almost wish anybody OTHER than Mo were in the game right now. And yes, that does include, should I say it? Farnsworth.
Mo’s last few appearances have shown that he has absolutely nothing right now.
mariano my fantasy team really thanks you. what a great pickup this year
wow. mo looks downright awful.
at what point do you become concerned?
And it’s back to 3-0 again, with one inning again to tie it up.
Higher probability.
If we lose it will rank up in my top most disappointing losses this year.
pray manny strikes out!
Tampa 6-5 Boston. Game over.
Nothing is wrong with Mo. He goes through this EVERY year (usually once in May and once in August – you can look it up). It’s a shame that it’s happening now.
it may be too late for Joba Time today…
MANNNYYYYYYYY STRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUCK OUTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Torre’s resignation won’t come soon enough.
Manny just struck out
*Sux Lose!!*
Sux Lose!!
sox lose….
Manny just struck out to end the game … Tampa holds on … the silver lining …
AWESOME MO AWESOME… and the Red Sux lose
Yeah – Manny strikes out swinging with two on. Ball game over, TB wins!
Well, Boston lost. Some good news, I guess.
At least teh Chowdah Heads lost
At least the Red Sox lost, cross your fingers and pray that the Mariners do too!
Yes, Manny pulls through.
Mo’s career ERaagainst the O’s is 3.20 – not good.
His velocity ans movement have not been too good the past week.
Its now time for Mo to incorporate the off-speed pitch.
At least Boston lost. And at least we have Cano, Jeter and Arod up. Not sure if there’s anyone else I’d rather have up, save maybe Shelley.
Mike NYY, yes, Mo sucks today, and his last couple of appearances also, but how could you say you KNEW the greatest releiver in the history of the game was going to give up a few runs in an inning, while thinking that a kid with just a few games of MLB experience would pitch lights out? You’re a joke.
On the one hand, I’ll never complain about bringing Mo in. I’ve complained more than once when Joe refused to do so in a similar situation on the road.
News Flash. Reyes guts it out, Tampa wins!
But this is his third bad outing in a row, and if it’s Dead Arm in August time, well, it’s coming at a pretty bad spot in the schedule. Here’s hoping he gets back on track. But right now he’s getting worse, not better.
At least Boston lost today…and Edwar (and Henn) proves that he has the stuff. That’s something to salvage from today.
A shame. Now, we can offically say that Mariano is a problem. Three straight bad outings.
Perhaps that 30 pitch outing on Sunday took more out of him than we thought.
You solve one problem, another crops up. Baseball ain’t easy.
This game is over. We all know the Yanks can’t overcome a 3 run deficit.
wow. this loss was liking giving me $100 then taking it back with interest after I put it in my wallet…
Wow, Yankee fans quite quick to rip Mo after giving up runs in two outings after not blowing a save since April. Hes only the greatest closer ever and a key to 4 championships.
thaaaaaaaaaaaa Red Sox loooooooooooooooose
nice bounceback by Al Reyes. . .struck out Manny!
kasey
August 15th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
wow. mo looks downright awful.
at what point do you become concerned?
right now?
w.e. what worries me more than staying level with boston is that mariano cant hold off the goddamn orioles.
alright, here we go. Lets do this (again)
Okay take a breath and take a step back. Mo does this every year. He blows saves at the begining of the year and in the middle. Now is the middle.
I hate to ping on Joe … but can he think outside the box once in a while? Can he have some faith in the young guys?
And yes, it’s absurd to barrack for Joba at this point in time. But it’s also worth remembering that it happens to everyone sooner or later, legends included. The old give way to the new. And bank on it, it’s going to happen to Mo in the next year or so (or so).
Preferably not this one.
anyone who blames torre for this loss is so retarded. I’m sure many managers wouldn’t shy away from using the GREATEST closer of all time to hold a lead. you people are so dumb
You can’t reasonably complain about bringing Rivera in here unless there’s something wrong with him.
What a shame.
Mike NYY, yes, Mo sucks today, and his last couple of appearances also, but how could you say you KNEW the greatest releiver in the history of the game was going to give up a few runs in an inning, while thinking that a kid with just a few games of MLB experience would pitch lights out? You’re a joke.
Okay, I thought that Chamberlain would do better than Rivera
Here’s the post I made:
Mike NYY
August 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Rivera or Chamberlain in the 10th if we get that far?
Rivera’s tired so I think I`d actually go for Chamberlain at least to start the inning
This is all a setup…for Duncan to hit another 3 run homer.
Torre & Mo wants to test if Duncan really is Superman’s cousin.
# Dr. Acula August 15th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Torre’s resignation won’t come soon enough.
you are a tool, a sofa scout, and an all around moron.
I’m still keeping the faith. We’ll put 3 men on base and then Duncan will win the game for us.
If that happens, remember I called it.
sometimes joe torre needs to get off whatever kind of high horse he is on. mariano is the greatest reliever of all time, yes, but he does get tired slash go through bad stretches. you think after the terrible outings sunday and monday, he can get a little time off? and we can go to a reliever who is on fire right now (joba)? if it’s a save situation, that’s one thing, but my goodness torre is just so stubborn and such an idiot with “his guys” sometimes. mo is allowed more than ANYBODY EVER to blow saves, because he has been so good for so long, but he wouldn’t have to deal with these situations if torre used had any sense of how to manage the bullpen.
Let’s start another rally!!!
OK … we all know that closers go through these stretches during the season … I think we could see that Mo was sliding into one of these stretches … why not give him an extra day off and use Joba?
The right move WAS putting Mo in that inning. That’s a no brainer. He just didn’t get the job done. That’s baseball.
For the second guessers, if Torre put someone else in, and they spit it up, you would be crying, “Why don’t you put in Mo”?
That’s the problem with some of the second guessers. They are very transparent.
So Mo’s had 2 straight awful outings, one against this very team, has been pitching more than one inning, has one day of rest, and Torre brings him in over Chamberlain?
I know this is the “Torre Can Do No Wrong” blog, but Mo’s historically not been as good in tie games. This was a boneheaded move.
thinking the same thing jennifer…
wiki, easy there.
But that’s a mistake pitch if there ever was one. Personally, I don’t think I would have brought him in yet, after his recent difficulties.
Although I don’t think it’s fair to scold him for two days ago, that was a couple of bloops. Today however…
Some data:
The 4 HR’s are the most Mo has given up in a season since 2001. A lot of it has to do with April, but ok.
The main reason for Mo’s struggles seem to be more balls falling in. His career BaBip is .269. This season it .331 (.500 the last week). That’s a huge difference. I haven’t found data to see if there are a bigger percentage of line drives or something, but part of it just seems to be bad luck, as well.
That being said, today he wasn’t good.
TB hangs on.
After Monday’s game, we all said (Peter included) that Mo needed a break.
one day is NOT a break
And this is what happens.
Sure, it would have helped if we put up 10 runs on the board, but you don’t go to Mo when he’s fatigued.
What a heartbreaking way to lose this game!
After that second double Joba should have came in.
Its not even a save situation
We go through this “what’s wrong with Mo?” stuff every season during this time of the year.
Yankee fans are often paranoid and never learn from the past.
uh SJ44, it’s not a “second guess” when it’s said before the results.
Maybe that’s not really Mo on the mound and its Crazy Kyle dressed up as him…
its so funny how earlier in the year everyone was blaming torre for not using mo to hold a lead. now you fools blame him for using mo?! Joba is ROOKIE. mo the GOAT!
This was a must win game. This one hurts the team emotionally and this can have terrible ramafications. Season may be in jeopardy. Think about letting Rivera and play for 2008.
This is the mentality that comes with a crushing loss.
I feel sorry for our team today…it will be hard to comebackin the tenth…Lets turn Joba in our Papelbon ,im sure he^ll do a great job..So sad for duncans heroics
Does Chad Bradford’s por-stache on mlb.com gameday bother anyone else?
At the very least, Twins need to beat Seattle, and we can still hold on.
Its funny, Joe gets ripped when he doesnt use Rivera in tie games at home in extras because “he doesnt think outside the box.” Now he uses him, and again, hes not thinking outside the box. Not fair.
Its not a boneheaded move. Now, Joba Chamberlain rates going into games over Mariano Rivera.
Sometimes, second guessing just to second guess is going to be questioned. There is no way you don’t go to Mo in the 10th.
Geez, a rookie with 3 outings and folks think he should go into games over Mo. Amazing.
its so funny how earlier in the year everyone was blaming torre for not using mo to hold a lead. now you fools blame him for using mo?! Joba is ROOKIE. mo the GOAT!
Yeah, but Chamberlain has filthy stuff and has been great while earlier in the season they didn’t have a reliable setup man like they Chamberlain. Rivera also wasn’t in this situation earlier in the season. Yeah, he was struggling a bit but that was because of underuse not overuse
A Rod!!! Way to go!
yes you can complain about bringing mo in there. it’s like people think rivera isn’t allowed to go cold for a while. when someone goes cold, you don’t go to them three times in four days, it’s that simple. i will never say a bad word about rivera (and i’m not here), i’m trying to argue for him. it’s unrealistic to think that he isn’t going to struggle, and when he does, to keep running him back out there when he doesn’t have a feel for it right now, is tired, etc. whatever. giving him one day off after two bad outings is insufficient, especially when you have no need to go to him there.
Ugh just put us out of our misery.
Hey – A-Rod really busted it down the line for that one. After Jeter weakly flailed at those pitches, at least ONE of our infielders is still trying. Good one, A-Rod.
Boston Yankee -
there’s no crying in baseball. get a thicker skin.
To the Coughing troll:
Since your guys won’t be busy, maybe you could caddy for us!
the concern isn’t whether rivera’s done. it’s whether he’s injured. there’s zero movement on his cutter, his location is way off, and he doesn’t look comfortable.
ARod is 4 for 4 and has been on base 5 times. Just as big a waste as Shelley’s blast.
Seriously, let Edwar or Viz close for a couple of weeks and put Mo on the shelf.
This is looking awfully like last inning…except we have one less out to use =(
Meanwhile, Arod’s 4-4 today.
thick skin has nothing to do with it. You’re just being an idiot.
Torre resigning? I thought we were past all of that.
Wow, some of you folks don’t understand the game.
At home in a tie game, you use your closer. Beyond that, what part of Joba Chamberlain being 21 and under restrictions don’t you understand? He physically can’t warm up in a few minutes. In case you missed it, he was a starter two weeks ago. Torre did the exact right thing.
“Geez, a rookie with 3 outings and folks think he should go into games over Mo. Amazing.”
Well considering Mo’s looked awful and needed a rest and was lit up by this very team… yeah, not so amazing, champ.
I still want to marry Shelley.
And that ends it. Time to start cheering for Twins.
DJ87: I was thinking Dirty Sanchez…?
This lost just hurts the heart.
crap
Pete, the restrictions that Joba are on require him to sit out a day for every inning he’s pitched. Joba didn’t pitch yesterday. By the “Joba rules,” he was available.
Let Edwar or Viz close for a couple of weeks?
Really, take a deep breath now.
Anyone who says Torre doesn’t trust young guys is an idiot. He stuck with Hughes, Henn, and Edwar today. He brought in Cano to pinch hit. He left Duncan in a big spot. You’re going to kill him for bringing in the greatest relief pitcher ever???
Bringing in Mo has always been the right thing to do … HOWEVER … seeing how he has pitched the last few times … considering that after throwing 30 pitches in Cleveland he was used the night after and blew the save, and now throwing him into a time game afer just one day off … it would not have hurt to give him another day off … if Baltimore and the Yankees hadn’t scored would he have pitched another inning? This isn’t about winning every game … there’s plenty of time to make up games in the standings … this is about Mo possibly being tired.
relax re: mariano he had a few bad outings earlier in the year. He’s going through a slump and he’ll come out of it. I’d still rather have him than anyone else
you dont use your closer when hes been brutal the last week
way to lose another one torre
I agree taht you go with Mo in the 10th, but you can clearly see he didn’t have it after 2 doubles. Joe could have brought in Joba after the 1st run scored.
ughghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wow, some of you folks don’t understand the game.
At home in a tie game, you use your closer. Beyond that, what part of Joba Chamberlain being 21 and under restrictions don’t you understand? Torre did the exact right thing.
You use your best pitcher in that situation. Rivera’s tired and pitching poorly. Chamberlain is pitching great. Right now for at least these few days Chamberlain is the Yankees best reliever. If you want experience even Vizcaino has bee doing better than River lately
I’m about to jumping off the ledge…just want to say nice knowing y’all. see u in the next life.
Out.
Hell, Pete. On the road in a tie game, you use your closer (unless of course you’re Joe Torre). And bringing in Rivera makes sense. But it’s not out of bounds to mention that he’s been bad lately, and might use more than a single day’s rest. Particularly when the team has other options. It may not be the right move, btw. But deserves better than the old I Know Baseball And You Don’t rejoinder. (Which is tiresome.)
As for Chamberlain and understanding, I’m assuming you know, sorry, ‘understand’, that his restrictions did not keep him out of this game. And his age is, at the moment, thoroughly beside the point.
Mo will be the first one to take the blame for this loss. Get off Torre, you don’t push your HOF closer on the side for a rookie (although he probably would of held).
Boston lost, if Seattle, Cleveland lose then no net loss. Great comeback in the 9th. Shelley -eats- rocks.
I’m not saying Chamberlain should have pitched today but Pete he was available today.
B R U T A L Loss
I can’t believe some of the things I read here. If the Yankees lose, it’s ALWAYS Joe Torre’s fault. If they win, they didn’t win by enough and the lineup wasn’t good enough and the right pitchers weren’t used, etc., etc. Tough, tough loss today, no doubt. And maybe some of you just have to vent. But really, how can anyone really have a problem with Torre using Rivera?
Not reading game threads ever again. Too infuriating. Only a handful of people make sense.
Whether or not Chamberlain should have pitched, we have a serious problem.
It was a silver lining how they we able to battle back in the 9th. Mo’s going to be fine, just like Jennifer said. He has hit a wall midway through August the past few years. Remember, it’s a marathon, not a sprint.
You have to use your best pitcher in the highest leverage situations. That’s what Torre did, so you can’t fault him for it. The only one to “blame” here is Mo.
Here’s the question, Pete: have you seen Mo’s splits for “at home in a tie game” over the last three or four years? They’re way worse than his usual closing numbers.
Contradicting the manager is so easy to do, thats why so many people here do it. When those people are right, they crow and say i told you so. When they are wrong, they disappear.
If you’re going to lose the game, you better have your best guy out there.
Last I heard, Mariano Rivera is that guy.
Always was, is, and Always will be.
The End
i am too disgusted for words.
Mike,
Don’t bother. They all “know the game”.
Now, Joba Chamberlain warrants time over Rivera and Vizcaino and Edwar should close over him.
They don’t have any idea about the game. They watch an inning, then decide how to second guess every move.
Mariano Rivera now needs to be “downgraded” in their eyes and these folks really think its great baseball strategy.
Its comical.
Torre played it EXACTLY how he should have played it. But, these 10 year olds, who have such hatred for the man, are too immature and too emotional to think clearly.
Joba has “nasty stuff”. Mariano doesn’t? Hysterical.
Wait until Joba gives up a run. Then, these same folks will kill Torre for using him.
You have to use your best pitcher in the highest leverage situations. That’s what Torre did, so you can’t fault him for it. The only one to “blame� here is Mo.
Assuming Rivera today is the Yankees best pitcher….
Not reading game threads ever again. Too infuriating. Only a handful of people make sense.
Doreen, unfortunately, you make perfect sense here.
Whatever is going on with Rivera needs to be addressed now! This is not normal for him, obviously. I guess you have to be thankful that Joba is pitching so well, if the Torre needs him to close he’ll be up for the job. That is until Rivera gets healthy or finds his groove again. Thank God Boston lost. The one bright spot in the Yankee loss today is that we saw how good that bench really is…Shelley Duncan! Wow kid, good job!
you use your best pitcher but hes tired and pitching poorly but it was the right move
and you have the nerve to say some on here dont understand the game
thanks clown
Worst lost of the year. Period.
Joba has “nasty stuff�. Mariano doesn’t? Hysterical.
You think that cutter was breaking today? They didn’t notice that while he was warming up?
Watching Mo’ get rocked like that is like watching your Dad get his a$$ kicked. Painful and very humbling. I pray he’s not hurt again.
I`m out
He has down periods every year. Good God, do some of you even watch Yankee Baseball every year.
What do you want to do now, relegate Mariano to a setup role?
Really, does anybody here believe Joba Chamberlain is now a better pitcher than Mariano Rivera? I mean, come on, think a little bit.
I was on Joba before most people on this blog knew his name. He has a chance to be great.
Mariano IS great. He just got beat today. That’s baseball.
He isn’t going get out of it by not pitching. This isn’t Kyle Farnsworth, its Mariano Rivera. Geez, folks have at least a little clue.
why are u guys freaking out over it… chill already.
Joba should have pitched instead of Rivera today. Rivera is obviously overworked: 4 appearances in the last 5 games and rocked in 3 of them.
95% of the times you go to Mo in this instance, but tonight was the 5%. Rivera is tired, just like Proctor has been. He needs some time off. (As I right this I realize Joe will most likely pull in Rivera in the 9th tomorrow as well…this infuriates me)
First we said: He isn’t being used enough.
Now it’s: He’s being used too much.
There’s a happy medium between the two which Joe can’t seem to understand.
It’s a game of adjustments. Mo will bounce back and it wouldn’t surprise me if he converted at least his next 15 save chances.
Clown? No, anybody who wants to second guess not using Mariano over a rookie with 5 innings in the can is a clown.
I can’t wait to read the posts on here when Joba gives up a run.
For a preview of what’s to come, just read what people had to say about Hughes today or about Duncan, prior to the HR, of course.
Chill out kiddies. Its one game and it wasn’t the “worst loss of the season”.
I think losing 5 of 6 to the Red Sox, all of the games in which they had leads of 3 or more runs, blowing a 5 run lead to the Mariners, and losing to the A’s with 2 outs, nobody on, and winning by 3 runs, were MUCH worse.
Losing a game they weren’t even in until the bottom of the 9th is frustrating. But, it hardly classifies as the “worst loss of the season”.
yes-Mo is the best. I am disgusted that we lost again and he gave up 3 runs 2 of which via a HR
Moving on to Detroit now. Thankfully Boston lost and hopefully so will Seattle and Cleveland.
“wow. this loss was liking giving me $100 then taking it back with interest after I put it in my wallet…”
couldn’t have said it better myself. UCK and Verlander tomorrow. . .
BY no means is this the worse loss of the year. if I had a dime for every time thatr was posted during the first half I would be a very rich person.
I can only double what SJ and Dorren posted. This is why posting during the game at this point is no fun, people with little of no knowledge just make postings on a whim. They are the same people that said Duncan should not be playing at the beginning of the game then once he threw out a runner and HR said he was huge.
I am off to the beach tomorrow for a nice weekend the good thing is last year when i went to the beach it was the Boston Massacre I can only hope this year it is the Detroit Tigers going down.
I think the argument is that Rivera should have taken the day off because he needed the rest, not that he should be demoted to setup indefinitely.
Again, I can’t complain about using Rivera in the 10th. But I can see the merit to using Joba in the same spot, just because he’s been on fire and Rivera has been sluggish of late. You know, play the hot hand.
I don’t think Torre could have made a “wrong” move in the 10th short of bringing in Farnsworth.
Seriously people, today’s loss hurt and losing two to Baltimore is not good. But this team has won every series since July 1 except for two versus the Orioles. Mariano is struggling a bit right now, but just last week he looked unstoppable. Everyone will have ups and downs, you just make sure the downs are short.
Lets talk after Detroit, but this is pathetic and embarrassing by “fans”. Anyone want to talk about how good this team is playing, how an unknown rookie just hit a 3-run home run to tie up the game, how the Yanks seem to be producing young pitching phenoms at a rate of one a month right now? I did not see the game, but I will take Henn and Ramirez’s work today.
I don’t really want fans who act like this after a game like today’s.
where the hell is my comment?
People here are often so black and white. If you criticize Torre, you get attacked for being in the “Torre can do no right” camp. If you defend him, you’re drinking Kool-Aid.
Although some people certainly are extreme, I think others just think that Mo should simply get to rest right now, not get pushed aside for a 21-yr-old. I frankly was shocked that after Mo’s 30+ pitch, 4-out performance the other day that he was pitching the very next night. I thought he could use a couple days off in a row at that point, especially given the relentless schedule ahead. Given how he looked in his 2 previous games, and his typical August doldrums, I was hoping he’d get today off too. I was disappointed to see him start the 10th. Not because I think he sucks or is through; just because he could use a couple days off in a row before the Tigers series.
Yankee fans can at least take from this tough loss the comfort in knowing that our bullpen, which has been our weakest link, came through for us today with 4 innings of 2-hit shutout ball.
AND… NO WALKS !!!
Terrific jobs of getting it done, Henn and Edwar!
Now, all we have to do is find an effective long man for the pen.
Oh, and of course, rid ourselves of Farnsworth somehow.
Rebecca ,
just in case Shelly doesnt understand your feelings , I am available .
You can marry me .
need to sweep the tigers
I’m with you Chris, This is very worrisome only because it’s so unlike Mo to get hit so hard. I’m holding my breath waiting for the post game interviews.
On a more positive note, Shelley Duncan’s confidence has to be sky high.
For those jumping off the ledge. … come back in. Boston’s next 4 games are with the Angels, including a Friday doubleheader. We can get this thing down to 3 games by this time next week. If Mo’s healthy, we’re fine. We can’t win em all…only most of them.
SJ, Mariano is great, sure. But greatness is not an absolute, in the short or long term. Discussing whether or not Mo needed an extra day is certainly within bounds, particularly given his recent outings. And it’s not the same thing as suggesting he should be demoted to a set-up role (which is, of course, nuts). Joe had two viable tenth inning options. The only reason to go with Joba would be if he thought it might benefit Mo to get another day’s rest.
Mo’s performance suggests that he did. But hindsight is, well, you know.
“Wow, some of you folks don’t understand the game.”
well ,pete, maybe you don’t understand that when a pitcher throws too many two seam fastballs he has to do some mechanical things that bleed into his throwing motion that can affect his cutter. they’re trying to change wang too . in my book, tinkering with unhittable pitches isn’t advised . rivera has got to get his cutter back or he’s just another closer. the two seam fastball is good only as a diversion. it’s a very hittable pitch if he uses it too much and he is. same with wang. go to your strength, forget the sneaky crap. wang and rivera have got to get straightened out or the yankees are in trouble.
This is one of those games where you just feel pissed off at everything.
It is not the end of the world but it sure does hurt.
Can someone tell me if Phil’s problem today was the strike zone?
phils problem today was not getting over to first base and a little wild
jeez thats alot of money when ESPN is reporting that he will need tommy john surgery.
“The Yankees and first-round pick Andrew Brackman have agreed on a multiyear deal that could be worth $13 million based on incentives. The 6-foot-10 right-hander is guaranteed $3.7 million.
The former North Carolina State pitcher will have a physical Wednesday. Brackman also will need Tommy John surgery and the team does not expect him to reach the majors before 2009.”
Funny how Mariano has been getting lit up ever since he made that public statement from his restaurant complaining about the “supporting cast” in the bullpen.
Mo, we love you and want you out there, but please next time, zip it! A little hubris please…
Real deflating loss after Dunc’s HR. I didn’t watch the game, but i hope he didn’t come out for a curtain call. That’s a jinx…let’s cut that out guys! It can only fire up guys in the opposing dugout.
“Joba should have pitched instead of Rivera today. Rivera is obviously overworked: 4 appearances in the last 5 games and rocked in 3 of them.”
There is never any reason to second guess using Mo. Being the greatest ever by far gives Joe that license. I know everyone is excited about Joba and all, as am I, but he has proven exactly NOTHING at the big league level.
I want MO on the mound in that situation 100% of the time without question barring an injury.
He is going through a bit of a rut and will certainly turn it around. He has been too good for too long. Suggesting Joba is a better option in a tight situation is highly denigrating.
BJ
I’m not saying that Edwar or Joba should be taking over for Mo.
I’m hoping that Mo’s not hurt. He IS the best, so any time he has a rough patch, yeah, it’s normal to get concerned.
If Joba or Edwar pitched the 10th, would the Yankees have still lost? Hard to tell.
But these are the things we should be taking away from today’s game:
Phil Hughes can pitch. If Shelley had caught that very catchable ball in right, and they not made the throwing error on that one ground ball to the left of first, Baltimore would have scored, at most, one run. He’s pitching against the guy a lot of people like for the AL Cy Young, or will say should get the Cy Young…and the way Bedard pitched, he deserves it.
The Yankees made the right moves in calling up Henn and Ramirez who pitched scoreless innings. They’re both young, and I like Edwar a little bit better than Henn, but they came in and did their job, no questions asked. It’s not their fault Baltimore scored three runs off of Hughes and defensive misplays.
Shelley Duncan can come through in a clutch moment. Plenty of others would have struck out then, but he went yard. He also, apparently, can throw. If he learns how to properly catch balls hit in right field, then, if Abreu walks, the Yanks have nothing to worry about in right.
The Yankees did score three runs. Yea, it’s not a lot, but it’s more than 0 and they didn’t get shut out twice in a row. It’s a good sign for tomorrow’s game. Yea, the momentum would be completley different if they’d won the game, but we know now that the offense hasn’t gone completley anemic, it just came face to face with a crazy good pitcher, one who is probably LOADS better than Verlande. We got into the O’s pen like we wanted, and y’know what? We scored three runs.
Arod had four hits today. It’s been a few games since he’s homered, but it’s nice to see him coming through with the base hits.
Leche hit the ball hard multiple times, it was just unfortunate that other people were in the way or that the ball hooked foul–I thought the one in the ninth was a goner!
Betemit probably shouldn’t be in the line up batting right handed, even against lefties. He’s just not good from that side. I agree that Cano should have gotten a day off when there was a chance, but his bat would have been more welcome.
Boston lost. No matter what else happens today, we can’t lose ground in the division.
There’s still a month and a half of ball to play. Boston’s shown it has a really, really hard time beating Tampa–even when Tampa’s pen implodes. They needed a near no-no from Wakefield to win game one, and just barely eked out a win in game two. We, however, have scored 7 runs, 17 runs and 21 runs in our last few outings with Tampa, whom we play in the final week, and whom Boston doesn’t.
No score yet in Minnesota and Seattle, but as Jeter’s said, we’re in this for the division.
And we’re gonna get it.
Devastating loss, we could have picked up a game on the Sux, and now Rivera is old, damn we should use Joba as our closer, hes young and healthy.
**38**
Rivera is not hurt. He’s just worn out and needs a couple of days off. Why is it that we can rest half of the regular lineup today but not the most important player on the team? We all watched him pitch on Monday and Tuesday, it’s very clear that his location is off, which is a sign of bad mechanics, which is a sign of being tired. This loss is brutal. Sometimes you sacrifice a battle to win the war. Hopefully the lineup can provide two blowouts on Thursday and Friday.
“This is very worrisome only because it’s so unlike Mo to get hit so hard.”
This is factually incorrect. MO and every pitcher gets ‘hit so hard’ from time to time. Even if your on your ‘A’ game 99% of the time, you will still get hit that small 1%.
Mo has gotten ‘hit hard’ in every season he has appeared in the majors. He has even got hit hard in the playoffs before too believe it or not. The difference between him and every other pitcher that ever played is it happens far less often with a staggering higher success rate.
This isn’t unusual or unique to MO. Things will improve I promise. He is the only pitcher on the team I have 100% confidence saying that about.
BJ
“If Joba or Edwar pitched the 10th, would the Yankees have still lost? Hard to tell.”
I find it astonishing that Yankee fans who have watched this guy pitch for 10+ years would even question using anyone over MO.
BJ
Wow…
Rivera is the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. Now that I got that out of the way…he’s not immortal.
The man needs a few days off every once in a while. Like I said: 4 games in 5 days…and 3 of those outings he’s been hit hard (a run an inning plus multiple hits at the minimum).
He’ll return to form when he gets a few days off.
Joba hasn’t proven anything? He’s creating quite the buzz around the league and has shown he has lights out stuff. He is going to get rocked sometime, but tonight probably wasn’t it. He destroyed baltimore game one…Rivera almost blew it: 1 ER 3 H in 1 IP 0 K.
Tonight I’d take Joba.
I don’t believe for a minute they would have put Mariano out there if he wasn’t healthy or wasn’t ready.
They don’t mess with Mariano. They never have before why now?
He just got beat today. Its that simple. It happens. His last two outings, he gave up ONE hard hit ball. Today? He got rocked. That’s baseball.
Sorry, I am not pushing Mariano Rivera to the curb because they lost today. They have had trouble with the Orioles all season. EVERY PITCHER ON THIS TEAM has gotten hit hard by the Orioles. They didn’t score a run for almost two full games. That has as much to do with their problems the last two days than Mariano. They got lucky to get back into this one. They just didn’t finish the job.
How does everybody know Mariano is tired? I am curious, have you spoken to him? He got beat. He has gotten beat before and he will get beat again.
He will also save the Yankees collective butts on more occasions than he will spit it up.
There is no way you kick Mariano to the curb, as some are suggesting here, for rookies with no track record. Its actually comical that folks can even suggest that with a straight face.
What’s next, Alberto Gonzalez at SS the next time Jeter makes an error? Chris Basak at third the next time Arod K’s 3 times in a game?
I get folks are frustrated after a loss. Just think a little bit before posting. If you are going to call someone out for defending Mariano, then expect return fire from quite a few people who think that’s an idiotic thing to do.
mo lost us 3 WS (or shots at them) in 97, 01, and 04 and won us 4 96, 98,99,and 00
yeah greatest of all time!!!
haaaaaa
BJ: I’m not questioning the use of Mo. I would have done the same if I was in Torre’s shoes. Just being honest.
We don’t know what would have happened because it didn’t happen.
SJ is right. The Marco Scutaro HR was by far the most dissapointing loss of the season. Getting swept by Colorado is up there as well, at least for me. The Yanks really had no business winning this game, so it doesn’t qualify as worse loss of the season for me.
1000
You don’t believe for a minute they wouldn’t put Rivera out there if he wasn’t ready?
Proctor?
Rebecca,
Thanks for your sanity, and realistically optimistic outlook.
You are taking a 1 inning sample size and using it as the argument to use Joba over Mo?
Come on, you gotta do better than that. I know, for some, stats are everything but, come on. Its freaking Mariano Rivera.
He hasn’t been “hit hard” his last three outings. Until today, ONE ball (Gutierrez double) was “hit hard” off Mo IN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF!!!
Geez, people, come on. This ain’t brain surgery. They aren’t running Mariano out there if he isn’t ready. He got beat. Just like the Yankees beat Papelbon, and other closers, this season.
SJ44, you are of the few sane people on this board. I often dont agree with you, but at least you make logical statements, and explain what you think rather than making blind statements like “Joba should close, not Mo.” I stopped posting a few months ago because fighting with inane people who will rip the GM and manager no matter what became too frustrating. We saw a bunch of mea culpa’s this past week by analysts about Joe and Cash. Anyways, Mo will be fine, Kasey has been posting stats all week about Mo’s mid August yearly swoon. But he always gets past it by pitching through it, not by sitting. its not a tired arm, he hasnt pitched 200 innings, its a dead arm, which is an entirely different thing. Its similar to what you get at spring training, and you get through it by working through it. Ultimately, they need Mo to get through it, and if it costs them a game in August, so be it.
SJ,
He keep claiming that I’m kicking Rivera to the curb but that’s not the truth in the least. A rested Rivera vs a rested Joba? Rivera 100% of the time. A Rivera who’s been in a bit of a slide and seems to have been overused lately vs. Joba who’s been hot and rested? Joba.
He -> You
Doreen–Thanks, am really glad someone sees it that way! =D
this place is just awful after a loss.
i am with the crowd that says you can’t blame torre for putting mariano rivera into a game.
that’s nuts.
Hmm, looked like we were going to lose that game until there were two out in the bottom of the ninth. Thought part of the Joba rules were “we won’t warm him up unless he’s coming in”. Think Joba had enough time to warm up before the top of the 10th? Bunch of lunatics around here, geeze…
ok i love Mo as anyone else . But in the last 3 games . He almost blew the save against Cleveland and lost that game . Then he blew the save against Os and then today . i just hope he is not injured or anything . yankees need him .
“mo lost us 3 WS (or shots at them) in 97, 01, and 04 and won us 4 96, 98,99,and 00
yeah greatest of all time!!!
haaaaaa”
there is no *us* when you make a post like this. go away.
Hey all. I was listening in the car when all the excitement went down with Shelley and Mo. Watching the replay now.
Best part of my day though, I got on the air with Don LaGreca just after the game ended. He was saying how it was such a tough loss and Yankee fans must feel like they were on a roller coaster. I said that they were losing the whole game, you never felt they were going to win, it was great to comeback but we never really had much time to start thinking we got this game. Don said that I had a great attitude and would live to a ripe old age of 86 unlike him.
I also wanted to make the point that all the pitchers used today were homegrown, but didn’t get to get that in. Gotta love Edwar and Henn keeping the team in the game. This bullpen is almost there. Britton for Farnsworth should be the final move.
By the way, today I agree Mo was the right choice, as opposed to Monday when I really thought it was best to leave Joba in the 9th after Mo had pitched a lot the day before. Anyway I got tickets tomorrow night and get the feeling I’m going to get to see Joba. I’m psyched.
Proctor isn’t Mo. Tell me, with facts, when they put Mo out there when he was hurt.
Give me the days, games and the results when Joe Torre put Mariano out there when he was hurt.
Now, Mariano lost 3 WS for them? That’s pretty funny. Stupid, but funny.
Yeah, let’s banish Mo to setup work now. We have Joba and Edwar. They have 8 inning sample sizes that will be quoted to us by the stat heads.
Mariano? Yesterday’s news. Wow. These same people will be slurping Mariano like crazy the next time he saves this teams butts.
SJ44 – thanks for keeping it sane and in perspective. Lots of people are overreacting.
“Joba hasn’t proven anything? He’s creating quite the buzz around the league and has shown he has lights out stuff. He is going to get rocked sometime, but tonight probably wasn’t it. He destroyed baltimore game one…Rivera almost blew it”
No he hasn’t proven a d..n thing yet. Compare his handful of outings to Riveras CV:
13 year career ERA of 2.33
836 strikeouts
432 Saves
34 POSTSEASON saves – yes, that says postseason, 9 in the world series alone.
A career Postseason ERA of, ready for this , drumroll please: 0.8.
8 time All Star
ALCS Mvp
World Series MVP
I could go on and on but I think you get the point.
Now what exactly was it that Joba has accomplishes again? A couple of strikeouts? Call me in a couple of years when the kid has something substantial on his CV. I’m not saying he wont, but its a far cry from saying someone has potential and to actually realize that promise.
MO’s accomplishments are so staggering, he has nothing left to prove. Joba has accomplished absolutely nothing. I hope he will, and he certainly has the tools to succeed, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
BJ
It is truly crazy that people are suggesting Joe should have used somebody else. When you have the GOAT in the ‘pen you use him..’nuff said
It would seem that Mo has Farnsworthitis ! I believe he contracted it sitting too close to someone in the pen recently ! Only cure is to either remove that person or sit farther down the bench.
Just a week ago he blows away 3 Blue Jays in the ninth and looks untouchable and then Aubrey Huff takes him deep !
“We don’t know what would have happened because it didn’t happen.”
Hi Rebecca,
I don’t think its helpful to even ponder this possibility with a guy like MO in our pen. Having that kind of pitcher doesn’t happen once in a lifetime, it happens once in forever. It’s not healthy to consume oneself with ‘what might have happened’ in life, let alone when you put your best out there in attempt to succeed.
This board is unfortunately turning into a romper room of logic and insight. I’m not referring to you of course.
BJ
Now I think Cash might have been right not to extend Mo in the spring.
BJ–
Hiya back atcha.
I agree. Mo is once in forever. I’ve grown up with him as my favorite player on the Yankees. Not Derek Jeter, not Tino Martinez, but Mo. (When the Yankees lost in 2001 I cried (and I mean BAWLED) for a half hour in bed. My parents didn’t get why I was so upset!)
I wasn’t so much consumed with what might have happened as trying to point out that we don’t know what could have happened because it didn’t happen, so, there’s no use worrying about it. I guess I need to work on my articulation?
It was the right decision to bring in Mo today.
Oh, and you shouldn’t look at me for logic. I’m not really known for that
If a Smith talks on a blog and no one gives a crap, does it make a sound?
Maybe it’s a female thing, Rebecca, but I understand your brand of logic. Mine is similar. The thoughts are coherent, but sometimes the wording is just — well, a lot of words to say a little. Woulda, coulda, shoulda just don’t work. And you don’t EVER know what mightabeen. They coulda put Joba in there, and he coulda done just as poorly.
The Orioles have the Yankees’ number this year, for whatever reason. I’m only worried because they play them the last three games of the season, and I’m praying that whether it’s the wild card or the division, those 3 games aren’t important.
The only other thing that has me concerned about this game (and last night) is that, once again, tough pitchers were able to completely shut down the offense – at least until today’s ninth. My hope is it’s the Orioles’ good pitching and not good pitching in general.
They’ve done well against the Tigers in the past (playoffs notwithstanding), so I am hopeful for the upcoming series. But now, 3 of 4 becomes necessary to have a winning homestand.
Good Things:
*Alex was 4 for 4.
*Edwar was a pleasant surprise
*Duncan came through at a big moment
*Hughes worked out of some jams
*Boston lost
*Dice-K did not have a good outing
This Detroit series is very winnable.
Verlander v Moose
Robertson v Andy
Durbin v Clemens
Bonderman v Wang
I think Yanks have advantage in 3 out of 4. If Moose could come through tomorow, with the pitching the rest of the series set up the way it is, that would give them an awesome chance to take 3 of 4.
I hate baseball fans
A player messes up once or twice and people want to hang him
Chill out, Mo is just in a slump, there’s no way he’ll be like this the rest of the season
the issue isn’t using mo today. the issue is what is wrong with him in general. his era is 3.50 something for 50 something innings.
open your eyes folks. this is not someone who has a 1.95 era who blew a couple of saves.
i hate the two seam fastball approach he’s taking now. with the bases loaded with a right handed hitter up he’s more likely to hit the batter than strike him out. mariano had a pitch in the cutter that was unhittable. if that pitch isn’t there, i think it’s time to look for a new closer.
i’d like to see him go back to pounding the cutter on batters on both sides of the plate. if they beat him they beat him. at least he’s going down with his best pitch.
this new approach isn’t working. time for a return to what works.
It totally amazes me on some of the things people say here. 99% of you would be fired within a week of managing the Yankees. The other 1% would be hung by the players on the first day. Joe Torre has been managing this team since 1996. He does make some mistakes but as a whole, he does a great job handling the egos and their agendas.
As far as Mo goes, things like this happen to every closer. Talk to Detroit about Jones….he has had a lot of bad games in the past month. This team will be fine, and if they don’t win the division or wild card this year, they have a game plan to make this team better and better over the next few years.
Finally, its a game….enjoy watching and talking about them.
Wow, Mo is really being hung out to dry here, thanks SJ44 for keeping everything in perspective. Mo is simply going through a rough spot, it’s happenned before, nothing really new here. I’m as psyched about Joba as everyone else, but let’s not get carried away, he is part of the solution, not the solution itself.
Meanwhile, I was at the game Tuesday, snagged myself a killer “Boston Sucks” shirt on River Ave… had great seats and weathered through the loss. We’ll try to get up there again in September…