Pitching matchups for the Detroit series
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 15, 2007 
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Thursday: RHP Justin Verlander (12-4, 3.58) vs. RHP Mike Mussina (8-7, 4.50), 7:05
Friday: LHP Nate Robertson (7-9, 5.01) vs. LHP Andy Pettitte (9-7, 3.93), 7:05
Saturday: RHP Chad Durbin (7-5, 4.68) vs. RHP Roger Clemens (4-5, 4.00), 3:55
Sunday: RHP Jeremy Bonderman (10-5, 4.65) vs. RHP Chien-Ming Wang (13-6, 4.09), 1:05
Looking for a Yankee Sweep.
I can see 3 of 4, but I think a split is more likely.
I would love NOTHING more than to see Moose outpitch Verlander for #248. All those comments that he made during the playoffs last year about how he loved watching Moose when he was a kid, pissed me off considerably. Moose owning him after those “left-handed compliments” would be like my birthday and Christmas rolled into one!
I’m concerned that the Yanks bats have been asleep these past two outings and, if not for Jeter’s heroics on Monday night, this could have well been the Orioles sweeping the Yankees.
Question I want answered is if any of the Yankees’ pitchers will welcome Gary Sheffield with a high and tight fastball, for his remarks about Torre last month? I can see Pettite or Clemens doing it. Should be a good series.
We don’t need Clemens suspended again.
I would love to see Moose out-duel Verlander
I’m not recommending anyone to hit Sheffield, just a brush back pitch.
twinkies 6 seatle 1 bottom of the 9th
The way Detroit has been playing – we have to win this series.
BTW – thanks Tori Hunter, for ensuring a Seattle loss today.
only the yanks could take such a clutch moment and ruin it the next half-inning. thanks mo!
The Yankees should be excited.
They’re pummeling the AL Central this year, and all of those games are winnable. I’m not going to go and expect the sweep, because we have to take it game by game, but it looks promising.
Joba’s available for tomorrow, and for Sunday’s game, Bonderman has been absolutley pounded of late.
i think it’s actually safe to say we have the edge in the pitching matchups this week.
Detroit will take 3 out 4. Mussina will have a bad game since he had a good outing the last time out. The only win will be by Wang.
Bob Michaels
August 15th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Looking for a Yankee Sweep.
Ditto, brother…
. = troll who counts for BUBKUS ! Nice close loss by the BoSux to the mighty Devil Rays today to take the edge off a tough day for the Yankees, though ! LOL !
“.”, Mussina had a couple of good outings now.
phil harris, shove it, that’s just not true. You don’t notice it that often bc it’s not your team. What do you think Chicago fans thought when the Yanks countered with an 8-spot of their own 2 weeks ago?
Seattle fell to Minnesota 6-1, so we can take the Wild Card lead with a win tomorrow because Seattle doesn’t play.
Minnesota won.
Today’s loss is a bitter pill to swallow, but we don’t lose any ground because of it, and can go into tomorrow’s game knowing that, as well as knowing that a lot of things did go right today, and even though there were things that went wrong, the Yankees aren’t sitting 14.5 games out, they’re not on a 10 game losing streak, Rivera says he’s not hurt, Phil Hughes can pitch, Arod can still hit singles (as opposed to just Abombs), and Shelley can clutch.
If nobody minds, I’ll repost this, since Pete opened up a new thread just as i was typing this: (if you do mind, just skip it, will ya?)
I’m glad the game thread is behind us now. Sometimes it’s really demotivating to try posting here. To get to a few people making level-headed comments (SJ44, Doreen, etc. Forgive me if I don’t look up the full list), you have to sort through a world of cr*p every time ANYTHING goes wrong for the Yankees. (“Oh no! The count is 3-0! DFA him!�). Trolls or ledge-jumpers, doesn’t matter. Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, and I see the Yankees lost, I just don’t feel like going through all the comments here, because so few of them actually make sense (and no, I don’t mind the enthusiastic in-game celebrations, e.g. “SHELLEYYYYY!�, those are actually fun to see most of the time
) )
There should be discussion on these boards. I can even see the argument of some saying “rested Joba over tired Mo� today. Not that I fully agree, but I think the argument has its merit (Note: it does NOT have merit when it is posted in the “OMG Joe is soooooooooooooo stoopid� form).
It’s a game of chance. Just last week Mo was unhittable. If he K’s the side today after his day of rest, we proclaim Torre a bullpen genius (well, maybe not, but you get my point). I wonder if the extreme-pro-youth stance of some is born out of reactionism against Torre; Torre always goes for the experience (but, nice job today Mr. Ramirez!), so some have come to calling Torre out on that and reacting by always going for the young guns. I wonder…
Mo’s not done. Call me when his K/9 rate is down and BB/9 and HR/9 rates are way up. (btw, does anyone know of a site which has a breakdown of percentages of types of hits (line drives, ground outs, etc)? Or is my use of BaBip in the game thread completely off line? Funny, I think he might have been having one of his best years if that stat this year was the same as his career numbers)
Feel free to comment.
And now I’m off to bed.
P.S. Thanks Twins. Tomorrow is another day, no harm done.
Sheffield has been pretty awful since the All-Star break.
i would let sleeping dogs lie.
amen Wouter.
“All those comments that he made during the playoffs last year about how he loved watching Moose when he was a kid, pissed me off considerably”
i don’t remember the actual comments, but it sounds like you are taking it a little too personally.
after all, Verlander WAS eight when Moose debuted. he can’t help that, it’s just a fact.
Wouter: A most excellent post!
Sheffield, in the last month, is .186 with 2hrs and 9 rbis.
So yeah…..he has been terrible lately and doesn’t need anything to wake him up. It’s bad enough the fans are going to HAMMER him with boos. We DON’T need him to get hot for another 2 weeks.
You have to hand it to the Orioles. They beat us and the Red Sox 4 out of 6 this week. next year when Loewen comes back they could be tough.
Only because the Yanks don’t have a day off this week, I was a bit surprised that Joba didn’t pitch the 9th in a tied game.
Having tix for Saturday’s game, I’m glad there’s a chance Joba might pitch Thursday & be ok to pitch Saturday. I’m anxious to watch him.
I like the matchups against Detroit. They can hit,but so can we. I see some 7 -4 scores ahead. Here’s hoping that Wang’s cracked finger nail doesn’t become an issue.
According to ESPN the flu bug has hit the Tigers bad.
Among the sick are tomorrow’s starter Justin Verlander,Pudge Rodrigues, Placido Palanco, Craig Monroe and Todd Jones.
Let’s wish them a slow recovery but a long and healthy life:)
Time to root for a 22 inning Detroit vs Cleveland game tonight.
Cheer for Detroit or Cleveland? One of those teams is going to have to grab the brass ring.
I want them to beat up on each other enough to make both of them have records worse the Yankees. Right now I’m cheering for Detroit because I don’t want Cleveland to gain on us in the WC standings. A loss today would keep us 2 clear.
Then, hopefully we’ll take care of Detroit when they come to town.
Drive 4-5:
Schadenfruede!
Or however you spell it!
However, being the optimist I am (but only when it comes to baseball), I believe that the Yankees could win that series regardless of the state of the Tigers’ health.
Wouter: “Oh no! The count is 3-0! DFA him!” LOL … nice one!
Meanwhile we dodged a bullet with the Sox loss.
Pauly One – Hopefully Clemens doesn’t get tossed/suspended for throwing too close to Sheffield on Saturday. Why do I say Clemens and nobody else? Being the most ‘old school’ on the staff, he may be the one most likely to brush Sheffield back just for being a bung hole. The rest of the starters don’t seem to have this mentality.
Of course probably all of us except Pete have never met any of them, so we don’t really know this.
Flirting with another suspension for the same offense as last week would be foolish. ASNKY lost the last game Clemens was suspended for at a time when they can’t afford to waste games. At this point, all available healthy & reliable pitchers can’t be lost for 5 games.
Now if someone like Farnsworth were to let one loose a little high and tight ………. it’s a win-win situation because at worst the Yanks could be spared of Farnsworth’s immense talents for 5 straight games. I doubt even Sheffield would be nuts enough to charge the mound at Farnsworth, so there shouldn’t be any suspensions for anyone fighting in a scrum.
Naaah …. ‘hmmmm’ is right. As tempting as it may be, its best to let sleeping dogs lie.
Rebecca: I think you actually spelled that right. I’m impressed!
Andrea: SWEET! Spelling’s not one of my higher qualities normally! It’s one of my favorite things to say…
Rebecca..were you trying to spell katzuntite..or however you spell it? LOL
Hey Drive 4-5 that airplane ride will do them all good. You know how healthy the air is on a plane.
The Yankees better make sure to shut off the fans and let the air just sit in the clubhouse.
Rebecca: Have you ever seen Avenue Q, or do you just know that word on your own?
You’re right jennifer. Let’s hope they share a buffet in the clubhouse tonight too!!
Andrea: Both!
I learned it in a drama class I took Freshman year, relearned it in a Freud class I took this year (which was really boring), and relearned it a third time when I saw Avenue Q!
I learned it for the first time from the play. What a great word/concept!
Unfortunately, the game threads have become a wasteland of stupidity.
When you have people advocating Mariano be replaced by Edwar, Joba or Viz, you know the game threads have jumped the shark.
Its just the way it is. I think baseball discussions, mostly troll free, come from the other threads these days.
They were fine for a while, now it seems the idiots came back from camp and are sitting on the computer. I really wish Pete could get a registration processes, in addition to a edit button.
SJ: I agree. But people think they’re being progressive and thinking out of the box when they suggest replaying Mo. They think evetually he’ll bereplaced (which he will, eventually) and they want to claim to be the first one who said it!
Wow Steve Phillips is stupid. Never mind what he said this afternoon.
He is now talking about the inicident of Jose Offerman charging the mound and swinging the bat. He says the law getting involved surely opens the door, to what if someone charges the mound and throws a punch. Um that is different. while yes a fist can be a weapon, there is NO doubt that a bat is a weapon, and he meant to do harm.
I still want to know how Steve is an anaylist. What has he ever done to get the job?
Man, what I would give for an edit button! Half my posts –have some sort of strikethrough–!
Anyway, it’s kind of a pity that Cleveland and Detroit can’t both lose tonight’s game…
It would be interesting to see someone charge the mound against kyle. The guy is trained in Tae Kwon Do, check this out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ht_ap.html
Just ignore Steve Philips – he thrives on saying weird things decisively pointing his hands. The better question is how did he ever become an MLB GM…
It’s funny listening and reading all these people saying that Joba should have been in the game and not MO. If Joba was and gave up even a run and we lost, they be hanging Joe outside of the stadium. “How could he do that with the best closer in baseball sitting on the bench”! I guarantee you that is what they’d say.
And everyone forgets that Mo goes thru this every year. The begining of the year they were all crying he was gone, well he hadn’t blown a save until yesterday. And 2 years ago the year started out the same way!
Last year on August 8th he blew a game his 3rd of the year.
this year he blew his 3rd on August 13. So I think everyone needs to calm down on the demise of Mo.
On the Yankees roster on espn it shows roger on the dl. What the heck? I emailed Peter about this. I will assume for the moment that it is espn being stupid.
I think the Offerman caper happened in the Big`s also, involving Roseboro of the Dodgers and Marichal of the Giants
Andrea,
I agree. I do wonder though where the “Replace Mariano” crowd was last Monday, when he blew away the Blue Jays, or on Friday night, when he blew away the Indians? I mean, it can’t be that he “lost it” on the plane ride home from Cleveland, can it?
He gave up ONE hard hit, Gutierrez’ double, in the last month plus of pitching. That’s sick.
Today, he got his butt handed to him. That’s baseball.
I guess I hold Yankee fans to a higher standard. I don’t expect us to act like Red Sox fans after a loss. Frustation? Absolutely, I can see that. I get frustrated myself after some bad losses. But, “Replace Mariano”? Sorry, that’s just dumb to me.
That’s Red Sox-like stupidity and I wish some of our fans could see that..
I tend to look at the positives of today’s game and they outweigh the negatives.
A HUGE hit by Shelley, and a good play to throw out the runner at home, which offsets the mistake in made in right today.
Edwar and Henn doing a GREAT job in middle relief. If those guys can pitch like that the rest of the way, the Yankees are going to win a lot of games.
I also think Hughes pitched better than his line. He got squeezed a bit by Wegner (who had a HORRIBLE day behind the plate) and his mistake at first (and Duncan’s) hurt him. However, he pitched against the best pitcher in the league this year (IMO) and he hung in there, giving his team a chance to win. Pretty damn good for a 21 year old kid making his FIFTH major league start.
Baltimore is a team the Yankees can’t seem to get on top of this year. There is always one on the schedule each year and this year its Baltimore.
I think they will play much better this weekend against the Tigers. Also, remember, this was the “B” lineup today.
The “A” lineup will be back, and rested, tomorrow night.
Giambi should get a start at first vs Verlander. Let Damon DH
Yankee bullpen is in the process of being settled for the stretch drive.
Yankees sweep out the Quarantined Tigers, story in full Sunday Night….Good Night Everyone !
A few years ago we couldn’t beat the Rays, this year it is the o’s. There is always one team that seems to have your number.
SJ44: Well put!
I’m most enthused today by the fact that Phil Hughes really did pitch well, but as you said, got squeezed by a lousy ump and some poor defense,
As well as the knowledge that Shelley Duncan can come up clutch, both in the field and at the plate.
Oh, and that small manner of Edwar and Henn posting goose eggs.
It’s a good sign, even if some don’t want to believe it.
SJ44 – are you some sort of blog superhero? Like a clark kent writer out to seek truth and justice for this message board? Like an unnamed mystery beat writer with no newspaper?
Anyway – you make some great points about the stupidity reaching ‘red sox’ levels…kinda like what i just wrote…
Rebbeca apparently some thought that playing .750 baseball for the rest of the year was doable. I knew they’d go into a mini slide. and hopefully it is over tomorrow and the moose comes up big. We are facing a tough pitcher in Verlander, just checked the stats not many guys have faced him, which shocked me. But those that did hit him, it was only one game though.
SJ: I’m all about the positives of the games. I was pumped to find out about Shelley’s 2-out 9th inning 3-run home run. I say “find out” because I didn’t watch it. i was at stupid work. I was excited that my dad got to see PHil Hughes pitch and got to see Shelley Duncan hit that home run (I gave him the tickets since I couldn’t get the day off from work). I thought most Yankee fans shared my similar feelings: enjoy the good. But I guess not. I still maintain that the fans that actually go to the games share my attitude. I say this because I went to Andy Pettitte’s first game back, and he did NOT pitch well. But everyone there clapped for him. Everyone in my section gave him a standing ovation on his way out of the game.
Maybe we’re in the minority.
I was at Andy’s first game back too. It was soo darn cold that day! I thought I was going to freeze to death. My friend and I ended up ditching the other person we were with because it was soo cold.
It was nice being there to give Andy a hand and welcome him back home. I enjoyed it, even if the outcome wasn’t what I wanted.
Jennifer: I’ll be among the first to say that I kindasortahoped that would happen, but, however, as long as we’re not getting blown out 14-0 every game, I can live with a few losses.
No, no one likes to lose, but if there’s something good you can take away from a loss, as there was today, it’s a good sign.
We lost a game to one of, if not the, best pitcher in the league today. Kind of like how we lost to Pedro all the time in ’99 (oh, and we kind of won the World Series that year…)
I was worried about us not scoring any runs, I admit, but Shelley’s clutch put an end to that, as well as the knowledge that A-Rod, Matsui and Molina all got hits off of the Baltimore ‘Pen…in fact, A-Rod was 4-4.
That we couldn’t hit the league’s best pitcher should go without saying, but we’ve been so spoiled by 7, 8, 9 run games that losing 3-0 as we were doing stings a bit more.
I’m going to go with an under/over of 7 runs for tomorrow’s game…
I absolutely think Hughes pitched better than his line as well. As John & Susyn, in a moment of clarity, said, he’s learning how to pitch out of trouble.
He’s where he belongs. He’s continuing to learn. Him and his buddy Joba are going to be beasts. The future looks great.
I think 3 of 4 is a possibility against the Tigers. As Michael Kay said, we should be thankful we played as well as we did in our recent hot streak, because now these games actually mean something.
I was pumped to see Edwar back to his usual self. Other than that, the Yanks really didn’t deserve to win today. Their hitting, if you want to call it that, was terrible(to be expected against bedard) so the loss doesn’t bother me that much. The Marco Scutaro home run hurt way more than today.
I don’t post that often, but for some reason I read a great majority of the posts. This is one of, if not my favorite site. I can’t stand trolls or any yahoo, that does not have a clue abour baseball. Living in RI for the past ten years and having to listen/be around Sox fans, I never thought Yankees fans acted like them (ie bridge jumpers and the sky is falling types). So either there are a lot of trolls or very spoiled Yankee fans. It is a long season there are ups anad downs. All you can ask for, after the way the Yankees started, is to be in the thick of it come September and I think they will.
I can’t figure it out but the Birds have our number this year and the Yankees still have six or seven games left with them this year.
As for Mo, he will be fine and if Torre uses Edwar, I think his change can be very effective against lefties. You have to like the direction of this team, infusion of youth, that actually can play, and more to come in the next few years. You could not say that two or three years ago.
Sorry for the rant but after a game like today I had to get it off my chest. Hopefully the Yankees can take three out four and with Boston playing the Angels for four, it can make for an interesting weekend.
Yeah it seems like if Edwar gets regular work he will be a good addition to our pen. and I hope Henn finally got his head straigtened out and will be agressive.
Steve Phillips is dumb, but Mike Francesa is making it a close race.
I just listened to Sweeney Murti’s report on the FAN website.
Some of Francesa’s “nuggets”:
“Melky is not a good centerfielder. He should be out there but he isn’t good”.
“Hughes and Chamberlain have no excuses about being young. It doesn’t matter how young they are they have to get the job done or send them back to the minors”. He must have stock in Kei Igawa and Matt DeSalvo.
I guess this dolt thinks you just come out of the womb and become an all star.
Good God, this is what passes for baseball “experts” these days?
No wonder why people want Rivera replaced. They get their “ideas” from people like Francesa and Phillips.
As the old saying goes, “Better to say nothing than to talk and remove all doubt”.
We need an edit button….The saying goes, “Its better to say nothing dumb, than to speak and remove all doubt”.
Kind of like, “if you don’t know what you are talking about, shut up!” I think that would apply directly to steve phillips and mike francesca.
SJ44: Wow! I didn’t think that anyone could manage to surpass the sheer stupidity of Steve Phillips, but saying Melky Cabrera isn’t a good center fielder?!
I don’t remember the last time I’ve seen an arm like Leche’s…
I listened to Phillips while watching ESPN’s Cleveland/Detroit game, and WOW. I’m not sure I want to know how he ever became a GM.
However, I think, it’s pretty easy to figure out why he’s no longer in said position…
I just shake my head listening to some of this stuff.
We have more intelligent baseball conversations every day on this blog (not in the game threads, sadly, but in the other threads) than the stuff that comes out of the mouths of Phillips and Francesa.
I realize some of it is the, “say something dumb so people can talk about me” stuff these guys need to do. But, some of it, like Francesa’s dislike of Melky Cabrera, borders on sheer stupidity.
Instead of beating up Sweeney Murti, why doesn’t he tell Joe Torre what he thinks of Melky Cabrera? I’d love to hear Joe’s response.
Its ok to debate baseball. That is what makes it fun.
But, to consistently say stuff that is so stupid, and so wrong, I don’t know, just seems like a waste of airtime to me.
Soory, but I think the the saying is “It’s better to say nothing at all and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt” Marc Twain I believe.
I don’t much but I do know this, if this Yankee team, in its present form, makes the playoffs, its a VERY dangerous team.
The playoff roster is a whole different deal. Middle relief? Phil Hughes. The bench? Better than anybody’s in baseball. The lineup? Already the best in the league. The pitching? Pettitte and Clemens are a “bit” of an upgrade over Randy Johnson and Jared Wright.
Joba Chamberlain setting up Mo? I mean, come on.
Plus, you have days off in the playoffs. That makes it easier to use certain guys.
The key is getting in. Division, Wild Card, doesn’t matter to me.
Get in, and this may be (if they stay healthy) the most dangerous team in the playoffs this year.
and it should be sorry, not soory
You are right Brian. Thanks for the save!!
In Mike Francesa’s defense (oh god, did I really just type that?) I kind of got what he was saying about Hughes and Joba. He wasn’t saying that they have no excuses, period, he was just saying that now is not the time to be letting them learn. A pennant race is not the time for them to be seeing if they can handle it. To a degree I agree with him. But on the other hand, who else is there? Kei Igawa? Tyler Clippard? They’re the best weve got, and it’s not like they’re just some 21 year old scrubs sent out there to eat innings. Phil made a pretty bad play at first today I heard (didn’t see it, I was at work) and that’s one of those things you wish he’d learned before he got here and you don’t really want to say “oh, it’s a learning experience’ in the midst of a pennant race.
I’ll take Mike over the Mad Dog any day though. Chris Russo is a boil on the butt of humanity, if I may quote “Steel Magnolias.”
SJ,
Do you really see Phil in middle relief? I mean I know it would be tough to put Moose in the ‘pen but there is no doubt in my mind who the better pitcher is.
Plus, by the time the playoffs role around, Phil should really be cookin’. He was throwing his best in the second half of last season, when his fastball was consitently clocked in the 95mph range.
No way Hughes starts over Moose, if Moose is pitching like he is now, should the Yankees make the playoffs. Not happening.
Right now, and I am not a big Moose fan, he is the better pitcher. Moose has been Moose his last 4 outings. Phil is still learning.
Too much playoff experience. Its also smart because if Moose has a short outing, or his pitch count gets high, you can go right to Hughes.
Andrea, the problem is, ALL young players are learning on the job these days. Its all part of the process.
Francesa buried Melky two years ago, when Melky had his meltdown against the Red Sox, and can’t get over it.
It makes him look like a fool. The kid is one of the 5 best CF’s in the AL and he just turned 23.
Check out Bernie’s first two years of fulltime play for the Yankees and compare them to Melky’s. Melky’s are MUCH better. This kid has the chance to be a very special player.
Hughes and Chamberlain? Its impossible for them to have it all together, knowledge-wise, at 21 years old. Heck, they don’t even know the hitters yet.
For Francesa to say, “youth is not an excuse, you have to produce” is an idiotic statement.
The Yankees didn’t want to use either guy this year. They were forced to because the veterans either stunk or quit (as in the case of Pavano).
We as fans just have to be patient at their growth curve because, I don’t care who it is, EVERY young player has one when they hit the majors.
With the way the Yankees are playing now, and the way Boston is struggling to beat Tampa, I have a hard time believing they’re not going to get in.
Maybe it’s a women’s thing, but it’s one of those things, you can feel it.
You could feel it in ’96, in ’98 (G-d help you if didn’t!), ’99 and even ’00. You didn’t so much in ’01–in ’01 it was more about the fact that the Yankees played at all after 9/11, than it was about whether or not they won the World Series. In ’03, it was all about beating the Red Sox. The World Series was almost an afterthought for me…I mean, we beat the Red Sox, right? In ’04, the Yankees had a gigandamundus lead whittled down to two games or so before pulling away. Hate to say it, but that team had a hard time seeing things through to the end. Haven’t felt it so much in 05 or 06–I mean, we had Shawn Chacon in our starting rotation, among other things…
But this year, this year is different.
This year is the young guys, Hughes and Joba and Leche (yea, I’ve taken to calling Melky Leche) and Cano and Wang mixed in with the veterans, Jeter and Roger and Pettite and Moose creating a chemistry that’s hard to beat.
This year is Shelley Duncan saying ‘it’s my world, you’re all just living it, and I am so, so soooo much better than Chuck Norris, and, oh yeah, I’m clutch’.
This year is Phil Rizzuto, and honoring the memory of the Scooter.
This year is coming back from 14.5 games, and just knowing that it’s anything but over.
This year is totally DOMINATING the supposed best division in baseball, 23-7. Name me another team with a record like that against ANY division.
This year is knowing that Joba >>> Gagne and Melky >> Cocoa and Cano >> Pedroia.
This year is knowing Posada is having the year of his life, and you don’t have the year of your life without October. Ditto Arod.
This year is knowing that June, July and August, so far, reek more of ’98 than they do of ’78 (even if April and May were like the early ’90s)
This year is knowing that something special is going to happen because, well, you can feel it.
Yeah, I guess it all depends on how moose is throwing. If he reverts back to pre all star break form, I don’t want him sniffing a starting job in the playoffs.
…Dear @#%@#% G-d I hate the strikethrough! :-X
I was a bigtime Chacon fan…I went to school in CO and used to watch him pitch all the time.
Plus, he actually pitched really well in the playoffs for the Yanks.
Did he really? I don’t remember it! I saw him pitch in a Pittsburgh/Yankees game this June, and he was awful…
Bah, I want an edit button!
He gave up 2 runs on 4 hits in 6.1 innings.
I dont mean to sound unsporting, but I hope Verlander is sick as a dog tomorrow.
That did sound unsporting didnt it? Oh well.
what does unsporting mean?
Again, I can not stress enough that I’m not saying Mo should be replaced and that he is absolutely essential to the team…but I think he was off tonight from being physically tired for overuse the past 5 days.
Anyways, on with my love affair with Joba:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....-mechanics
Hughes vs. Chamberlain discussion. The thing is, he uses a video clip of Hughes from the 06 Futures game where he got rocked in one inning, and I believe the ‘now’ frames are from his start against Toronto which was pretty rough.
He does have some points though and he sounds extremely knowledgable. I too have noticed that Hughes velocity is a little low (what was it today? I missed his innings due to work) but I’m banking it on tender hammy/ankle and arm strength lacking a bit since he’s only 5 or so starts into the season technically.
unsporting = non sportsman like = utterly classless
Schadenfreude again!
I hope we beat the @#$%@#$ out of Verlander. I don’t think he needs to be seriously ill for us to do that.
Hughes wasn’t throwing hard(relatively speaking) last year until the second half of the EL season. I am not worried about his velocity, he should regain it once has some innings under his belt.
My first paragraph came out sounding horrible…
To summarize: Mo is vital for the Yankees success. Bad outing must have been tiredness.
Thanks Rebecca, I couldn’t tell if he meant unsupporting or unsporting(a word which i have not heard, believe it or not)
With Hughes it’s less velocity and more location I think–like Moose and Pettite.
He’s going to be great.
The guy who wrote that hardball times article thinks so highly of lincecum it’s asinine. Though lincecum’s deliverry is amazing considering the power he generates from such a small frame…if you want to talk about arm injuries down the line then there’s your guy…
I think Hughes can dial it up to the mid-nineties and still locate, or at least he was able to last season. That is what is so impressive about Joba, he throws in the upper 90′s and can place the ball wherever he wants.
Hobs,
I find that hard to believe, since the guys at THT are generally very worried about pitchers deliveries. Lincecum has such a wacky delivery with some crazy corksrew action that I figured the hardball times would be put off by it. Guess not.
THT loved the delivery of the Yanks third round pick, somebody Pope(I can’t remember his first name and I always get him confused with the Pope who pitches in relief for Trenton).
dfc-
not in the least. He’s all about quick, explosive (often violent) deliveries. He’s used Lincecums delivery as the new standard of excellence in several of his articles (specifically his previous Hughes article a few months back…written right before Hughes threw 6.1 scoreless innings.
Hobs,
very interesting. I don’t think I would want people to pitch like Lincecum, but what do I know?
Tigers’ rotation is definitely not what it was last year. I’d say the only matchup on paper where they have the clear advantage is Verlander/Mussina and even there we still have a shot. Let’s aim for 3/4.
This was Hughes 4th major league start off the dl and he had a ump that from what I understand stunk. So in my eyes he didnt’ do too bad. Pretty good actually.
I’m listening to the radio this morning and all they are saying is how our warts are exposed. I don’t get it. We had pretty good starting pitching and excellent relief up until Mo. And if anyone follows the Yankees they know that Mo goes thru this every single year. No worries here.
I missed some of this. I heard Mike Mussina say “It’s your fault” in Aug. 19th game against the Angels. Who was he talking to, and what did that mean? Anouncers seem to skip right over the comment.