Comments on: Greetings from Gate D-20 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/ A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:36:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: susan mullen http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-113049 susan mullen Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:45:27 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-113049 Sherard--My post was in response to those who suggest Joba might possibly become something like the 1996 Mariano to the 1996 Wetteland. That's the point of the comparison. It's been repeated thousands of times that Rivera is a "failed" starter, entered the league as such at some point 1995, was subsequently sent back to the minors (in 1995), and from what I read on Baseball Reference, his relief appearances in regular season were just a few after Sept. 10, 1995. His explosive emergence in the post season in 1995, in one case in relief of Wetteland, was, as you cite, in spite of almost total disregard by Buck Showalter. As you may know, this has been documented in detail in Joel Sherman's book "Birth of a Dynasty." My point is the question raised was in fact about the 1996 Rivera. Sherard—My post was in response to those who suggest Joba might possibly become something like the 1996 Mariano to the 1996 Wetteland. That’s the point of the comparison. It’s been repeated thousands of times that Rivera is a “failed” starter, entered the league as such at some point 1995, was subsequently sent back to the minors (in 1995), and from what I read on Baseball Reference, his relief appearances in regular season were just a few after Sept. 10, 1995. His explosive emergence in the post season in 1995, in one case in relief of Wetteland, was, as you cite, in spite of almost total disregard by Buck Showalter. As you may know, this has been documented in detail in Joel Sherman’s book “Birth of a Dynasty.” My point is the question raised was in fact about the 1996 Rivera.

]]> By: Jim Clark http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111251 Jim Clark Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:23:04 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111251 I find it interesting the original "Jimmy" was a young boy who was a Boston Braves fan. The Braves donated money so he could follow his team on television. Fortunately Einar Gustafon recovered from pediatric cancer (a rare thing in 1948) and lived to be 65 before dying in 2001, Gotta send them a check. Usually I give money to St Juse because Danny Thomas/"Make Room for Daddy" was a favorite growing up. But if George likes Jimmy Fund, it's fine with me. I find it interesting the original “Jimmy” was a young boy who was a Boston Braves fan. The Braves donated money so he could follow his team on television. Fortunately Einar Gustafon recovered from pediatric cancer (a rare thing in 1948) and lived to be 65 before dying in 2001,

Gotta send them a check. Usually I give money to St Juse because Danny Thomas/”Make Room for Daddy” was a favorite growing up. But if George likes Jimmy Fund, it’s fine with me.

]]> By: Jim Clark http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111249 Jim Clark Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:16:18 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111249 Doug Strange still has not taken the bat off his shoulder. Doug Strange still has not taken the bat off his shoulder.

]]> By: Sherard http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111244 Sherard Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:41:08 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111244 There is certainly no way anyone is going to match Mo's numbers from 1996, if only because the likely candidates have only just joined the bullpen. They could, however, match his 1995 numbers when he FIRST made the switch to the bullpen. His regular season numbers were pretty pedestrian, but in the division series with Seattle, there were glimpes of his future greatness. In 5 1/3 innings, he gave up no runs, just 3 hits and a walk, and struck out 8. That's very Joba-esque. In fact, in my opinion, Showalter probably waited at least one batter, if not two batters too many before bringing in Rivera in game 5 of that series. Cone walked in the tying run on like his 150th pitch or something. Things could have been much different if Rivera came into that game a couple batter earlier. There is certainly no way anyone is going to match Mo’s numbers from 1996, if only because the likely candidates have only just joined the bullpen.

They could, however, match his 1995 numbers when he FIRST made the switch to the bullpen. His regular season numbers were pretty pedestrian, but in the division series with Seattle, there were glimpes of his future greatness. In 5 1/3 innings, he gave up no runs, just 3 hits and a walk, and struck out 8. That’s very Joba-esque.

In fact, in my opinion, Showalter probably waited at least one batter, if not two batters too many before bringing in Rivera in game 5 of that series. Cone walked in the tying run on like his 150th pitch or something. Things could have been much different if Rivera came into that game a couple batter earlier.

]]> By: susan mullen http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111223 susan mullen Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:21:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111223 If someone wants to try and match the 1996 Mariano, they'd have to do the following in their first full year of major league play: 122 innings giving up only 1 HR (which was in the regular season during which he pitched 107.2 innings). Then you'd have to pitch the 14.1 innings in the post season. During the World Series, going into which your team was the underdog, you'd have to pitch 3 days in a row. Then, you'd have to be ready for the media to minimize you for the rest of your career as a strictly post-season pitcher (this is in fact the price he's quietly paid). Granted Mariano had a big 2 days off before he pitched Saturday, but Joel Sherman's point was he'd been used in 10 multi-inning situations between May 30 and the Sunday Cleveland game-- and that doesn't include his pitching 2 "saves" in 1 day on May 3 v Texas. If someone wants to try and match the 1996 Mariano, they’d have to do the following in their first full year of major league play: 122 innings giving up only 1 HR (which was in the regular season during which he pitched 107.2 innings). Then you’d have to pitch the 14.1 innings in the post season. During the World Series, going into which your team was the underdog, you’d have to pitch 3 days in a row. Then, you’d have to be ready for the media to minimize you for the rest of your career as a strictly post-season pitcher (this is in fact the price he’s quietly paid). Granted Mariano had a big 2 days off before he pitched Saturday, but Joel Sherman’s point was he’d been used in 10 multi-inning situations between May 30 and the Sunday Cleveland game—and that doesn’t include his pitching 2 “saves” in 1 day on May 3 v Texas.

]]> By: Brandon http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111202 Brandon Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:54:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111202 yeh Dellin and Zach are going to be something to watch, Jairo Heredia is a must watch too. yeh Dellin and Zach are going to be something to watch, Jairo Heredia is a must watch too.

]]> By: Bob Michaels http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111179 Bob Michaels Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:03:08 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111179 Yankee system is now loaded with quality arms Just wait till we hear from Betances. Yankee system is now loaded with quality arms Just wait till we hear from Betances.

]]> By: Bob Michaels http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111176 Bob Michaels Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:58:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111176 Steinbrenner has always contributed. Steinbrenner has always contributed.

]]> By: Brandon http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111172 Brandon Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:53:36 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111172 it's cool JRVJ it’s cool JRVJ

]]> By: JRVJ http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111169 JRVJ Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:52:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/08/19/greetings-from-gate-d-20/#comment-111169 Sorry, Brandon: that should have read Tampa (got confused mentally on the "Ts"). Sorry, Brandon: that should have read Tampa (got confused mentally on the “Ts”).

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