Don’t read this, Scott Proctor
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 21, 2007 
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Tanyon Sturtze was released by the Atlanta Braves today. He was 0-6 with a 9.53 ERA in 12 minor league games. In 11.1 innings, he allowed 17 hits and 12 walks.
Sturtze, 36, was trying to make a comeback from the extensive shoulder surgery he had last May 23 when he was with the Yankees. He was with the Yankees for parts of three seasons and appeared in 110 games.
Sturtze’s $750,000 contract guaranteed him a $350,000 bonus if he was on the 25-man roster for one day.
dont tell torre, hell make cashman get him
Another victim of Torre’s trust.
The Yankees should take a flyer on this guy. Sounds like he has a lot of experience.
re: last night’s game –
people are up in arms over it because 1) it was a winnable game. they can’t afford to give away games where they lead in the 7th anymore. there’s just no margin for error. 2) it was, by far, their best chance to win a game this series, with lackey and escobar going the next two nights. if you think lackey is going to crap the bed like he did in boston, you’re sorely mistaken. there’s something about the yankees that brings out the best in the angels. it sucks, but that’s how it is. now the yankees are in a position of having to try and find a way to beat one of two great pitchers and prevent another three-game losing streak before they go into detroit. not an exciting prospect. a win last night helps them breathe a bit easier.
i don’t think anyone’s ready to throw hughes under the bus. if they are, that’s idiocy. i’d just like to see the kid pitch the way he did in may, or anywhere near it. 5 runs every time out isn’t going to get the job done. remember all of that talk about how adding phil hughes to the rotation at the deadline was going to make the yankees rotation the most formidable in baseball? i haven’t seen any evidence of that yet. at least joba’s as good as advertised. who knows how far back that injury set hughes. clearly, he isn’t the same pitcher right now.
the angels own the yankees. it’s that simple. they’ll be lucky to avoid a sweep.
i’ve been one of the loudest voices claiming seattle would fade. we’re almost in september and they haven’t yet. i’m starting to believe they’re going to stick around. somehow, weaver, batista, washburn and an inconsistent felix are getting it done, and the offense is picking up ramirez or whoever else has a bad start. i still think they’ll fade, but i’m nowhere near as certain as i used to be.
Don’t read this Luis Vizcaino….
I was saddened to read this. He gave it his all when he was with the Yanks. From what I’ve read, he seems like a genuinely good guy.
For anyone who’s interested…I was reading the NY Times’ sports section today, and front page were two stories. One detailed the tragedy that is Michael Vick, late of the Atlanta Falcons and the NFL. The other, well written piece by Tyler Kepner, detailed the story of Joba Chamberlain. Both athletes came from poor backgrounds. Both were blessed with tremendous athletic talents, which provided them with money and upward mobility. Yet one story is a tragedy, the other a triumph. Quite a contrast.
Pete — has a reporter ever asked Torre if he felt responsible for some of these pitchers arm woes? Curious.
Joe always liked Sturtze, he liked his arm so much, it`s now fallen off
Maybe the Joba Rules aren’t to protect Joba’s arm, they are to protect Joba from Joe’s trust.
Joe from Long Island…great stuff
Scott Proctor just went into shock, he`s in the ER now.
Good news is if Mussina can find any way to grow a set and keep this game close, I like the Yankees bullpen tonight. Joba is available and so is Edwar…Mariano probably for an inning. I’d say the Angels are kinda hamstrung in that K. Rod is probably n/a. Last night made it 4 appearances in 5 nights for him.
Bullpen to bullpen, Yankees have the edge (tonight).
Farns just went to Torre and asked him to reduce his role because 2 innings a week could blow his arm out.
Torre gladly obligied and said he’ll do even better, he’s going to limit Farnsworth to 1 inning every 2 weeks and only in blowouts.
“Torre gladly obligied and said he’ll do even better, he’s going to limit Farnsworth to 1 inning every 2 weeks and only in blowouts.”
Farns: “can I go home and you call me when Im needed? If Clemens can,I think its only fair.”
He is just another one of those “Torre work them until they cant move there arms” setup men. It looks like Vizcaino is on his way to joining the club. Why do people think that Chamberlain comes with rules, first because of his health and the other so Torre doesnt kill him. The organization knows that Torre tends to do this with alot of pitchers. Chamberlain would of pitched 2 innings against the Tigers, 2 innings yesterday. The rules are a good thing.
Reality.
Journeyman shows up at yankees door.
Comes in.
Taking under the wing of HGHiambi and all the other yankee druggies.
Used roids.
Pitches great! Supern speed,. confidence, mood boost, MPH added to fastball.
Lionized by fans.
Burns out.
Fades away.
So, wake up brothers, we are the numero uno druggie team.
Power
Pinstipes
Pincushions.
and somewhere Clueless Joe lurks looking for Cashman to sign someone he can trust to take K-Ram’s spot
To be fair, the Yanks picked up Tanyon off the junk pile to begin with. We just caught lightning in a bottle with him for a short while…
Welcome to the corporate world everyone.
It’s a “Chew ‘em up and spit ‘em out” society !
Baseball is no different.
It doesn’t matter to them. They will use and abuse anyone they need to just to attain their goals, regardless of what happens to the individual with rare exceptions. They don’t care about cost as much either. Corporate profits and shareholder dividends are what matters to them. The rest are tax write offs and corporate losses on the accounting ledger sheets. It’s big business. No more, no less.
They aren’t burning out their high priced or very valued talent are they ? Only the very cream of the crop are valued to them. The rest are ready for the slaughter.
Food for thought.
This is why we need the Joba rules.
As a former Yankee releiver once said, the only thing worse than being on Joe Torre’s bad side as a reliever is being on his good side.
Sturtze should sue Torre for assault.
“Pitches great! Supern speed,. confidence, mood boost, MPH added to fastball.”
when did this happen?
sturtze sucked.
he was ok for about 3 weeks in 2 years. big deal.
This narative of “Torre blows relief guys arms out narrative” is taking on a life of its own, and methinks a little overblown. I decided to do a little research, which was somehwat handicapped due to the lack of a subscription to Baseball-Reference. Let’s go to the tape:
- Proctor pitched 102 innings in 83 appearances last year, but he only ranks 3rd in the Joe Torre era for the title of MOST ABUSED RELIEF ARM
- The titleholder is none other than big Mo Rivera in 1996, logging 108 innings in 61 games, with 2nd place going to Ramiro Mendoza in his 1999 campaign (53 games including 6 starts, 124 innings)
- Good thing Mo got the title of closer before Joe burned him out; expect he also pitched as many as 78 innings four separate times as a closer, (Sturtze’s worst “abuse” year was 78 innings in 64 appearances in ’05)
- Torre’s top ten abused RP seasons were Mendoza in 1999, Mo in 1995, Proctor 06, Mendoza 01 (56 g /101 IP with 2 starts), Quantrill 04 (86 IP/95 Inn), Mendoza 02 (62/92), Gordon 04 (80/90) Karsay 02 (78/88), Gordon 05 (79/81), and Villone 06 (70/80)
- But Joe is a piker compared to other Yankees skippers; top reliever abuse years for the Steinbrenner-era Yankees include 77 Sparky Lyle (72/137), 77 Dick Tidrow (49/151 with 7 starts), 78 Gossage (63/134), 76 Lyle (64/104), and if you think that was just Billy, how about Greg Caderet in 1991, yes Greg Caderet (68/123!), and also Caderet in 1990 (54/121)
- Dallas Green and Bucky Dent even pitched the infamous Lee Guetterman for 103 innings in 70 appearances in 1989, in lieu of such painful memories as Lance McCullers, Dale Mohorcic and Eric Plunk (and toe an ERA of 2.45 I was surprised to find)
- And since 1976, Proctor’s season seems to rank barely in the top 200 relief pitcher abuse years; I did a screen of most innings pitched with at least 60 appearances and # 200 on the list was Jay Howell in 1984 with 103 innings in 61 games
- The same screen during the Torre Yankee years (96-present) puts Lee Remlinger at #1 in 1997 (67/124)
- I can’t see where Proctor ranks on this screen because the site blocks out positions 2-135 for non-subscribers; but it is probably about #100 since #136 is Jeff Shaw in 1998 at 73 g/ 85 IP
- And poor ol’ Tanyon’s 64/78 doesn’t even make the top 200; the #200 bubble boy was the coddled Trevor Hoffman in 1997 with 70 appearances totaling 81 innings
- Salomon Torres last year was the real everyday guy, pitching 93 innings in 94 appearances for the last place Pirates; gotta love that match-up baseball
I will still complain about Torre for a lot of in-game things but this moldy oldie talking point needed some context. There are literally hundreds of seasons from workhorse relievers loggin 80-100 innings in 70+ appearances. It’s the price they pay, I guess for not being good enough to start or trusted enough to close. But the best, like Scot Shields, etc can still make a great living even if many are simply cannon fodder for the pennant chase.
With a Yankee killer on the mound and non-stopper MM pitching, is anyone else feeling a Reverse Lock?
is it Torre’s fault or Cashman’s? I can recall alot of expensive free agent starting pitchers who haven’t done there job in going longer in games. Torre uses these guys because he has to, this is what happens when you buy alot of old arms, they cant go 7 or 8. Just think what would have happened if Wang didn’t develop? Jeez, I guess no other relievers are having arm problems, oh wait, Scott Shields and oh Brendan Donnelly (now with the red Sox) is now in surgery. I forget the guy who manages them….hmmm… oh yes he will see him in the other dugout tonight….please
I liked Sturtze, he’s a good guy. He was well-liked by his teammates, coaches and (I think) the media. The steroid accusations are completely unfair. What is he, guilty by associated? Come on. The guy has been friends with Giambi since single-A ball. He helped the Yankees, took the ball even when he was hurting and never once complained. I’m not saying he’s a great pitcher, but to attack the guy and accuse him of steroids is unfair.
It’s not Joe Torre’s fault that Sturtze suffered a torn rotator cuff. Sturtze had a tired shoulder during Spring Training last year. Instead of getting it treated, he tried to be a hero and pitch in pain (with poor results). Sturtze might not have been in this situation if he would have shut himself down the moment he started hurting. It hurts you and the ballclub when you struggle while trying to pitch hurt. It’s not Joe’s fault.
it’s Joe’s fault for over working him to the point his shoulder was sore, so yes it is, and it’s not just one guy w/ Joe, Joe nearly single handely took Mo out last season for a month
Sturtze was an average guy who probably could have been a A- or B+ reliever if they didn’t abuse him. Everytime Torre puts in the same reliever game after game I like to call it the “Sturtze Syndrom” because Tanyon was made to go in all the time. I mean your playing for the New York Yankee’s, what was he going to say..”No I don’t want to”. They have so much pressure on to win win win that no one wants to sit out every game. They want to do whatever they can to win and shove it up George’s ass