Game 126: Yankees at Angels
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Here is the lineup:
YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Giambi DH
Cano 2B
Phillips 1B
Molina C
Mussina RHP (8-8).
Pregame chatter: Cano (5 of 28) and Cabrera (3 of 22) aren’t hitting much in recent days. Cano has 1 RBI in his last eight games. … Andy Phillips is 8 of his last 14 with four RBI. … Mariano Rivera has allowed 11 hits in his last 5.1 innings. … Yanks are facing Kelvim Escobar (13-6).
UPDATE, 9:05 p.m.: Sorry about the lineup mistakes. That’s what happens when I don’t get enough sleep and compensate by pounding Red Bull in the car on the way to the park. I’ll try and do better.
A few updates:
Alex Rodriguez could be getting a day off tomorrow. … Posada is off today for two reasons: Mussina seems to work better with other catchers and Jorge just caught five straight. … Sean Henn, who warmed up several times last night, is out today but everybody else is available.
UPDATE, 10;52 p.m.: Well, at least those of you on the East Coast can get some sleep tonight. Quite a job by the Moose. This is the seventh time this season he has started a game after a loss. He is 0-5 and headed to 0-6.
Mussina was booed by the many fans in the crowd when he was pulled by Torre.
Not to be too negative with seven innings left, but the Yankees will be six out in the division and 2.5 in the wild card (4 in the loss column). They need to get this fixed and soon.
UPDATE, 11:10 p.m.: Hmm, perhaps I spoke in haste as the Yankees have just scored four runs on Kelvim Escobar and now trail 7-5. How can a starter of his ability walk the first two batters with a 7-1 lead? It’s unreal.
Meanwhile, this only underscores how poorly Moose pitched. On a night when Escobar was bad, he was worse.
UPDATE, 11:21 p.m.: This is my favorite comment of the night:
Here’s a crossword for you… Seven letter word for incompetent: MUSSINA
Just hilarious.
UPDATE, 11:30 p.m.: That was cool. When Torre called for Edwar Ramirez, Kyle Farnsworth picked him up and threw him like a javelin to the mound.
Meanwhile, this could be arrivederci for Ron Villone. His last 7 appearances: 8.2 14 7 7 6 7.
UPDATE, 11:39 p.m.: There’s the problem with the changeup. If a big-league hitter sits on it, it’s a BP fastball.
I have to think Chris Brittton or somebody will be here tomorrow.
UPDATE, 11:45 p.m.: It’s 7-5 and the Yankees are right in the game, so it’s hard to blame Torre for pulling Villone. If Ramirez limits the damage, they’re still in the game.
What happens now is anybody’s guess. But somebody has to pitch the next five innings.
UPDATE, 12:11 p.m.: Hey, Sean Henn isn’t unavailable after all.
UPDATE, 12:23 p.m.: Chris Britton went 3 innings for SWB tonight, so he’s not on the way. Bruney?
UPDATE, 1:21 p.m.: So much for Garrett Anderson setting the major league RBI record. He had his chance. The pitching for this series: 16 innings, 28 hits, 25 runs, 14 walks.
Nice to see Torre getting the Viz some work.
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Pete you didn’t report that Andy Pettitte was taking throws at first base, I guess hes already good enough to start there
I know the Yankee 1B situation has been pathetic all year, but Pettitte!? I suppose he’ll hit better than Mancaveitch and he IS a lefty.
Pettittes is playing first? thats rich.. i love it!
With Pettite at first, seems especially dangerous to be without a third baseman…
Hopefully the Angels don’t realize that nobody is playing 3B.
Uh, Pete, you seem to have missed the centerpiece of the offense. Yeah, you missed Alex Rodriguez. Already preparing yourself for the possibility of life without him on the Yankees, are you?
4 lefties in a row…5 if Pettitte indeed gets the start…but as usual the Angels don’t really have a lefty reliever, so no big deal I guess. More worrisome is the lack of a 3B
But think how great the bench will be!
I always said Pettitte was going to make a great 1B someday and no one believed me…Ha!!!! Who was right!?!?!!?
Pete must have been in a hurry…there’s only 8 batters unless Mussina is going to bat LOL.
Pettitte’s playing first and we do not have a third baseman….should be an interesting game…lol
what the heck kind of lineup is that ?????
hahah…pettitte at first! good one. assume the other andy at first and arod will in fact be the #4 hitter?
Folks. You’re missing someothing very important. We’ve got Shelley Duncan on the bench. With Shelley on the bench, he can cover any mistakes Pettitte makes at 1b and he can will balls away from the third base line. It’s all good.
Poor Molina.
Mussina and Pettite….looks like they are fed up with no run support and doing it themselves
Dont need a third baseman with the gold glove pitcher Mussina on the mound. He is going to pitch and fall towards his right side to cover the hole. NO WORRIES.
Wow, Petitte at first, should be quite the experiment!
Especially with him starting tomorrow
Pettite must have some naked pictures of Torre
Ya, plus, its not like A-Rod is a good third baseman or anything. And we don’t need his bat in the lineup either. Nope, not all…NOT A PROBLEM!
I didn’t realize Pete was an alchoholic until I read his lineup today.
Pete, I want you to breath in and slowly re-type the lineup for us. I know travel can get the best of you, but hey, you gotta keep on pushing, right?
Lynn: Thank you, I no longer need my dinner tonight….
Wondering how Arod likes coming off the bench…
It’s actually not Moose pitching either. Mussia. I heard he’s good.
Usually I won’t give Pete a hard time, but this line up makes me giggle. I would really laugh seeing Pettitte hop over and stand by first base. You think he’d even know where to stand?
I think pettite is going to stand foul side and Moose is going to cover first.
Please Pete, don’t update this lineup. It’s priceless! We gotta keep it around for laughs — especially while we’re being forced to watch Woossie pitch today!
Geez, Anaheim has enough of an advantage tonight alreay. Do we need to give them more of one by playing without a 3rd baseman? LOL
I am looking for to this new guy Mussia pitching tonight. I already chalked up a loss behind another gutless Mussina performance.
The comments are dripping with originality. Give the guy a break. I’m sure you can figure it out.
Pete, get some sleep, man. At this rate, Mattingly will be at 1B tomorrow, and the battery will consist of Guidry and Torre.
My son, Posada, says hello to everyone else. Incidentally, he wants to know why he isn’t in the lineup tonight.
He also thinks Giambi should start over Pettitte, or Phillips for that matter, at 1b tonight against Escobar and that Damon or Matsui should DH.
Incidentally, FYI, for tomorrow, JD’s numbers against Lackey, the lackey, are pretty good: 11-37, .297/.350/.324
It’s all good natured fun…we love Pete…
however this phee person I’m not too sure about.
Mussina is batting?!?!?!? hahahahah jk…psssst u forgot HEY-rod
jk
I miss another chance to potentially see Joba pitch live! Damn you, YES network and the fact I can’t even buy the YES network even if I had the cash!
The owner of the blog did it intentionally just to see how everyone would react—–maybe.
Belay my last if it wasn’t intentional though; Michael Kay always gets Pettite and Phillips mixed up during the telecast anyway.
Actually, there was some word of ARod getting a day off today or tomorrow. Betemit may actually be at 3B today, so alex might NOT be in there. I hope he is, with Jorge getting the day off…
No help from the D-Rays who are allowing the Bosox to walk all over them early.
2-0 and we’re in the very first frame. How do you let ORTIZ to get a TRIPLE?!
ORTIZ?!!!
Terry…..the Yankees allowed Ortiz to get a triple. Or rather Bobby Abreu allowed Ortiz to get a triple. So let’s not be SO hard on the D-Rays.
its now 2-2
I wanted to repost my “Torre Pitcher Abuser Treatise” from the thread below since everyone is now focused on this gamer. I hope it spurs some thought at least while we wait for the game to start.
This narrative of “Torre blows relief guys arms out narrative� is taking on a life of its own, and methinks a little overblown. I decided to do a little research, which was somehwat handicapped due to the lack of a subscription to Baseball-Reference. Let’s go to the tape:
– Proctor pitched 102 innings in 83 appearances last year, but he only ranks 3rd in the Joe Torre era for the title of MOST ABUSED RELIEF ARM
– The titleholder is none other than big Mo Rivera in 1996, logging 108 innings in 61 games, with 2nd place going to Ramiro Mendoza in his 1999 campaign (53 games including 6 starts, 124 innings)
– Good thing Mo got the title of closer before Joe burned him out; expect he also pitched as many as 78 innings four separate times as a closer, (Sturtze’s worst “abuse� year was 78 innings in 64 appearances in ‘05)
– Torre’s top ten abused RP seasons were Mendoza in 1999, Mo in 1995, Proctor 06, Mendoza 01 (56 g /101 IP with 2 starts), Quantrill 04 (86 IP/95 Inn), Mendoza 02 (62/92), Gordon 04 (80/90) Karsay 02 (78/88), Gordon 05 (79/81), and Villone 06 (70/80)
– But Joe is a piker compared to other Yankees skippers; top reliever abuse years for the Steinbrenner-era Yankees include 77 Sparky Lyle (72/137), 77 Dick Tidrow (49/151 with 7 starts), 78 Gossage (63/134), 76 Lyle (64/104), and if you think that was just Billy, how about Greg Caderet in 1991, yes Greg Caderet (68/123!), and also Caderet in 1990 (54/121)
– Dallas Green and Bucky Dent even pitched the infamous Lee Guetterman for 103 innings in 70 appearances in 1989, in lieu of such painful memories as Lance McCullers, Dale Mohorcic and Eric Plunk (and toe an ERA of 2.45 I was surprised to find)
– And since 1976, Proctor’s season seems to rank barely in the top 200 relief pitcher abuse years; I did a screen of most innings pitched with at least 60 appearances and # 200 on the list was Jay Howell in 1984 with 103 innings in 61 games
– The same screen during the Torre Yankee years (96-present) puts Lee Remlinger at #1 in 1997 (67/124)
– I can’t see where Proctor ranks on this screen because the site blocks out positions 2-135 for non-subscribers; but it is probably about #100 since #136 is Jeff Shaw in 1998 at 73 g/ 85 IP
– And poor ol’ Tanyon’s 64/78 doesn’t even make the top 200; the #200 bubble boy was the coddled Trevor Hoffman in 1997 with 70 appearances totaling 81 innings
– Salomon Torres last year was the real everyday guy, pitching 93 innings in 94 appearances for the last place Pirates; gotta love that match-up baseball
I will still complain about Torre for a lot of in-game things but this moldy oldie talking point needed some context. There are literally hundreds of seasons from workhorse relievers loggin 80-100 innings in 70+ appearances. It’s the price they pay, I guess for not being good enough to start or trusted enough to close. But the best, like Scot Shields, etc can still make a great living even if many are simply cannon fodder for the pennant chase.
BLASPHEMY!
How dare you compound our SHAME with insults to Abreu’s good name!!
Aaaanyway, when was this Andrea? Did it happen in Fenway last year during that 5 game series?
Funniest blog thread here in a while. I needed the chuckle.
This must be part of the organization’s new pitching rules. The starting pitcher plays 1B the day before he starts. Look for Clemens to play first tomorrow. Maybe he’ll bean the runner going from ist to 2nd in the back.
Tomorrow we’ll go without a SS, we’re just trying to confuse the Angels and slow down their running game.
OK, let’s stop picking on Pete. He’s obviously loaded.
On a different note, I really get a kick out of reading the game threads after a loss. The overwrought drama and clutching of pearls is absolutely hilarious.
Yes, I realize there is no guarantee that the Yanks will make the postseason. But is it really time to panic, even with only 37 games left? Look at some history….
I know many of our readers are too young to remember this first hand, but take a trip way, way back in time to the ancient baseball season of 2005.
I am right now looking at standings on a particular date in 2005, which show the Yankees in 2nd place, 4 games behind Boston in the AL East, and 1.5 games out in the wild card race. The date? SEPTEMBER 10! With only 20 games left in the season!!
Yeah, I know what everyone’s thinking. “But, Boston must have folded because they had the toughest schedule in the world coming down the stretch. This season their schedule is a piece of cake, much easier than 2005.” Oh yeah? In ‘05, their last 20 were against NYY(3), TB (3), OAK (4), BAL (3), and TOR (7). This year, their last 20 are against: NYY (3), TB (6), OAK (2), BAL (2), TOR (3), MIN (4).
Just have us within 4 games (or closer!) of first on Sep 10. We’ll still have a chance.
please tell me that’s a typo….he meant Phillips, right?????
Terry: it was this year. I believe Andy Pettitte and Curt Schilling were pitching. It was at Fenway. I think the Yankees ended up winning. i THINK it was the game that A-Rod ended up hitting the home-run against Papelbon that made it 6-5 in the end. I THINK. Abreu made a couple amazing plays in the outfield after the Ortiz triple so it kind of got overshadowed by all that.
Pete get some SLEEP!!! Pettitte playing first??
agree with thrillington – great great thread going here.
i thought i was going crazy reading the lineup…
we love you pete, this made for some good comedy
jennifer: dont’ worry. I already told everyone. Shelley Duncan’s got it taken care of.
ITA Thrill………..this was a great post! Thanks Pete
Jorge has terrible numbers against Escobar lifetime and Molina used to be his personal catcher in Anaheim, so it’s a good game to give Jorge the night off.
“I will still complain about Torre for a lot of in-game things but this moldy oldie talking point needed some context. There are literally hundreds of seasons from workhorse relievers loggin 80-100 innings in 70+”
Ok…there is still more context to be got, though. If you throw 5 of 6 days, and then have off for 4 days, thats 5 outings in ten days. Doesn’t look so bad in the stats, but it’s probably much worse for a guy’s arm and performance than if he pitches twice every three days.
We REALLY need Boston and Seattle to lose tonight.
BTW, in case anyone cares, today is Hayden Panetierre’s birthday.
I fully expect to see footage of Pete partying it up at Hyde on TMZ later.
Andrea,
No, that can’t be.
HOWEVER, you may be partially right. David Ortiz only has ONE triple this year (the one he just hit tonight). What may have happened in Abreu’s case is a Double hit by Ortiz coupled with an Abreu error that allowed the runner to get to third…other combinations may apply, but it was not scored a triple (or it was scored a triple and it was changed).
Here’s the latest stat sheet for Ortiz:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....atsId=5909
Cheers Andrea!
I drew the ire of some on this board for referring to Jeff Karstens as “chinless”. But check out DRay SS Josh Wilson’s ESPN player profile photo. He makes Karstens look like Kirk Douglas:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....atsId=7663
Whozat- fair point but far too much work. But, 70 games pitched is pretty much pitching every other day. Given the flow of the season and usage patterns, I would bet that most of the 75/75 “Abuse Club” members had patterns similar to Torre’s guys with many 3 of 4, 4 OF 4 and even 5 of 6 stretches.
Hey Pete my sister’s going to the game tonight. She’s really a Dodger fan but I asked her to go watch the Yankees. She and her husband are attending the game tonight. Husband knows Plunkett with OC Register. I gave them your name and told her if they run into you at the game to say hello from your blog fan known as T.J. Her name’s Paula.
Stand by Andrea, doing some net research to get this verified…ugh Internet research is notoriously unreliable of course, but….
Whose covering this game, Bud Abbott and Lou Costello?
Whose on First, What`s on second.
Pete I don’t know if you have time to visit House of Blues while out there but it’s not far from ESPN Zone right the strip of Downtown Disney. Not sure who’s playing tonight. I know you like bands.
I know this is forecasting but I have tickets to Friday’s game in Detroit, lefty Ander Miller is getting his first start coming off the disabled list, is Clemens getting the start for New York? Just wondering
Andrew* Miller
Big surprise: another day, another Seattle win.
Good lineup. Gotta mix things up with the Angels since they have a our number.
Nobody at 3rd and a pitcher playing 1B should be just the ticket.
double no hitters going through four in the detroit/cleveland game, not sure I remember that ever happening, is it good pitching or poor offense by both sides?
Anyone watching the double no hitter/perfect game between Cleveland and Detroit? It’s in the 5th….
Going back to a discussion of last night at least I think it was last night. I think that Joba needs to go back to Indian Outlaw for his entrance music much better then Unchained IMHO. My Yankees playlist got a few additons this week as entrance music for some of the rooks has been added (they were recently posted on the entrance music site) and finally deleted halloween and said peace to Mike Myers
This thread is hilarious.
first a triple by ortiz and then an infield hit. give him a day off and he’s like ricky henderson on the base paths.
way to give shelly duncan a chance clueless joe. just like you did with edwar the first time around you will never play him until he is too rusty to even contribute. joe must go
Darrin: It’s what happens with anemic offenses! *launches gamecast*
Ortiz has tripled and singled on a ground ball to pitcher ? check that guy for the juice…Somthing ain’t right !
Gayle,
Where is this entrance music website?
There went cleveland’s no-no..
Big surprise: another day, another Seattle win…..did I miss something…No score in the 1st and they have THAT game in the bag ? you funny….you funny person, you !
Hey Andrea.
Found it. It was a single with a two base error charged to Abreu. Click on the link and scroll down to the bottom of the 5th.
You were correct in that it was the game that Arod hit the winning HR off Papelbon. The SPs were Beckett and Pettite.
By your leave, Ma’am…
Sorry, forgot the link, heh.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=270603102
2 143 It should be Clemens, followed by Wong then Hughes and Mussina, Pettitte will open the series at Yankee stadium vs the STINK SOX.
Does anyone know who really is playing first??
Sorry WANG not WONG.
dude, the pitcher for Detroit has a grand total of 12 innings pitched….
I expect no favors from the D-rays with their pitching. I just hope they wear down Bosox pitchers since their lineup is decent. Otherwise, the game in Tampa is just a side dish even if it becomes a Bosox loss.
It’s Phillips.
Andy Phillips is
Aww, but thinking it’s Pettitte is so much more fun!
Yanks Agnel here is teh link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ce_music#C
Plus for my Yankees playlist I have added things like Heart of a Champion, Get Ready For this (music played before the team takes the field) as well as Whoomp There It Is and some Run DMC as it just seems like a good omen to have them on a Yankees playlist
Rebecca, shouldn’t you be packing?
Terry: Finished a bit earlier =)
anyone else confussed as to why Jorge isn’t playing?? Does Torre not seem to think the Yankees HAVE to win tonight after losing a game in the standings and the Boston Red Sux playing the most pathetic team in the league?????
Maybe it’s short for Andy Philipettitte?
Probably just giving him the night off.
Sara not confused at all he needs a day off at some point although he has caught 4 games in a row I thought he would have tomorrow off so he could have 2 full days but with Pettite going tomorrow makes sense for tonight off
Posada is not starting today because Moose does not prefer to pitch to him.
Um, Pete, I think you’re forgetting someone…
It’s okay, though. Steve Philips and John Kruk told me the other day that he’s not a true Yankee yet anyway.
I’d be more worried if Posada was playing; I don’t want Posada catching Moose. Not tonight.
BTW, I know everyone on earth has said this by now, but I just want to get in that this thread needs to framed, preserved, and cherished forever and ever.
Sara: Not confused at all. Molina is a former Angel remember? He knows these pitchers well enough to start tonight’s game.
Every time I get home I check the Boston and Seattle scores, and they are both winning…95% of the time. I could do without this disappointment.
Re: Pitcher Abuse, you don’t get the true picture unless you add the post season abuse to regular season abuse. In the 1996 World Series, after everything else, Mo pitched 4 of the 6 games, at one point 3 days in a row. As for duplicating the come from behind Sept. 2005,this is how it was done by Mariano Rivera: He saved or won 6 1-run games in a 2 week span that month in a brutal pennant race. He pitched 3 days in a row twice in that 2 week period, forced in desperate situations to make up for blown leads by the offense or bad relief in the bullpen.
Zumaya is back for Detroit. This could be trouble for us this weekend…
LMAO @ this lineup and the thread. What on god’s good green earth….???
“there’s only 8 batters unless Mussina is going to bat”
Well he does have a higher lifetime BA than Wil Nieves…
Hey! Maybe he can play 3rd too!
does this crap say Pettitte at 1B and we’re also deciding to let the air play 3B too ?
Does the Chinese communist party leader play first base?
Pete – if you’ve been smokin’ something, don’t forget to shaaaaaare!:D
lets make no mistake – this pennant race will be brutal. we will be fighting for every game all the way until september 30. i don’t expect us to have the final week to rest players and line our pitching up for the division series.
BBB–For real? Wouldn’t surprise me, y’know…
Don’t worry, Shelley Duncan has it all under control. He’ll play Gold Glove 1st and 3rd, come in in relief of Moose, surpass Johan Santana’s Sunday 17 K performance, AND outmanage Mike Scoscia…all at the same time!
Thanks Gayle. I never hear the pitchers’s songs on the MLB.TV webcast. I always wondered what Wangs’s was – Let’s get it started’ by Black Eyed Peas. Guess he wasn’t into ‘everybody have fun tonight’
Rebecca, I kid you not! I heard that somewhere (probably here, lol) and it was so innately disturbing that I never forgot it…
Detroit has a kid who plays CF … might be a minor leaguer.
What if the Yanks could claim him off waivers and convert him to play SECOND?
His name?
WATSON.
No really … he wears number 0.
“anyone else confussed as to why Jorge isn’t playing?? Does Torre not seem to think the Yankees HAVE to win tonight after losing a game in the standings and the Boston Red Sux playing the most pathetic team in the league?????”
They want to win both today AND tomorrow. What gives them the best shot at that? playing Jorge five days in a row, or giving him a day off and playing him tomorrow? The latter.
And either Torre or Pete isn’t cogniscent of who’s on third.
Ranting Guy: …..
BBB: What’s disturbing is that it’s so believable!
Gayle, thanks for posting that link to entrance songs, good stuff! Somebody needs to ban Damon from listening to all that corny nu-metal…it makes me sad, haha. But glad to see some of our guys are using classics like AC/DC and Van Halen!
Who’s the Chinese communist party leader?
Yes.
Who?
Yes, Hu.
Who?
Exactly …
No, who?
Hu?
Pettitte?
No, not Pettitte … Hu!
etc etc etc …
This thread is so classic I almost don’t even need a game.
Almost.
Just to get those lifetime stats for Posada vs. Escobar up, they’re not pretty: 5-38 with 20 strikeouts. Molina, on the other hand, as I said used to be personal catcher for Escobar so he has a good idea what the guy throws. Good night for Jorge to sit.
Rebecca,
Not only do I not need a game tonoght, but I don’t much want one with Mussia v. Escobar
Uh, guys, gals, gender unsure, the Boston Tampa game? 7-5 Boston. In the sixth.
The night’s not over yet.
Maybe the night is made for miracles, i.e., a win in Anaheim. After all, Igawa has pitched 4 scoreless innings in Scranton.
We need the Devil Rays just to keep it close enough to get Gagne in and then anything can happen.
great king of bloops vs Kelvim Escobar’s 98mph fastball, another game Betemit gets shafted from playing
98?
Wow.
Hopefully Escobar’s fastball doesn’t have much movement on it.
Right, NYR?
I was hoping Molina would of caught Hughes last night, he seems to clam him down.
Escobar is one of the best in the league. Will be extremely tough, only chance to win this ballgame is if Moose pitches a gem.
I’ll be praying…
First off, Escobar doesn’t throw 98.
And second, if the fastball doesn’t have any movement on it I know a high school coach who has two players on his team who will hit “long doubles” off of it.
A lot of our hitters have seen a lot of Escobar in the past and hit him well. I’m hoping we’ll be able to break through at least somewhat, but yes again, we’re going to need Mussina to come through.
Rebecca – Thanks for the update. Hope springs eternal!
About Pete’s update about Mussina working better with other catchers – What is it about Mussina and Posada? Can’t these guys get professionally on the same page? I guess you do whatever it takes to win the game, but aren’t these supposed to be adults?
Terry: Sorry it took so long to respond. I meant to look at the actual stats of that game to see if they gave an error to Abreu on that play, but I never did. I’m not sure why. Sorry about that. I just remember saying “There is a HUGE problem when David Freaking Ortiz gets to 3rd base. I don’t care what stadium it is.” I’m impressed that I remember all the details of the game though! Question though–since it was a 2 base error, are both of the RBIs from that single earned, since those men got on base, or are they unearned, since they probably wouldn’t have scored on that play were it not for that error?
Pete did you hear this Met’s news?
Report: Mets ex-clubby names name
A former Mets clubhouse attendant revealed the names of Major League players who bought steroids from him to baseball’s chief steroid investigator, SI.com reported Tuesday
Make that 5 scoreless innings for Igawa, with 7 Ks. A night for miracles!
Eh, it’s now 8-5 Boston. seattle still up on Minnesota 2-0.
Night’s still far from over though.
Ranting guy- Hopefully he cant locate. LOL
The last time MOose pitched agains the Angels he pitched 7+ innings and held them to 2 runs. I think. Unless he faced them in the series around ASB time. Then I was in Europe and I have no clue and I apologize.
rbizzler –
“We seem to be missing a player from out lineup card. Can one of those high school players play 3B?”
“What’s his name?”
“I don’t know.”
The Devil Rays and Twins *STINK* They can’t do anything right.
Andrea: I’d have to take a look at the sequence of plays to make that determination. Wait one.
LOL
Igawa was a pretty good pitcher in Japan. That may be comparable to AAA. The trick he still has to learn is how to get out ML hitters here, not Japan.
First time I saw the last play last night. Melky should have had that. He needs to get together with Bobby on certain balls. Melky is shying away from balls between him and Bobby.
I had a fight with that same high school coach. You know those to guys who can hit straight high 90s fastballs? They are getting full scholarships to schools I have never heard of. Maybe we should tell Cash to draft them next year
I meant to say 2 guys not “to guys”
There is a stretch of games that will break the Mariners for sure. If they dont fall apart in that stretch, they deserve the wildcard.
When did Minnesota become so awful? Can’t believe they only have 2 hits against Washburn.
3-0 Ms
Yes, the runs were earned and the statbook records it as such. The error on Abreu was a throwing error and would not have resulted in an out, thus the fact that Youkilis hit a Sac fly is not factored into the errorless sequence because there would have still been only ONE out. The fact that Ortiz advanced to third might be an issue (resulting in an Unearned run) if M Lowell hadn’t doubled with two outs, but since he DID double, that would have ultimately meant that Ortiz would have scored even WITHOUT the 2B error by Abreu.
Ultimately, the sequence of runs scored is not affected by Abreu’s error, thus all the runs in that inning are EARNED.
PS That’s not to say that Abreu’s mishap changed the flow and the outcome of that inning in favor of the Red Sox. In all likelihood, it did.
“DID NOT change the flow and outcome of that inning” I meant.
I dont think Melky and Abreu communicate well with eachother. They just dont seem to have good chemistry in the outfield. You would figure they would communicate well being spanish speaking and all
Mariners only have 3 runs on 12 hits
Terry: I totally agree. I want to be the guy who decides what’s an error and what’s not. That’s the game where I decided if I were Andy Pettitte I’d sit in the stands when I was done pitching and just throw things at Bobby Abreu. Then I’d fight him after the game. But Andy’s too nice for that.
Thanks for the explanation. Some people on these boards are a little too “I’m so smart” to explain stuff like that. I mean, I get baseball. and I remember stupid things like “Ortiz got to thrid when Abreu screwed up in the game at Fenway when Pettitte and Schilling pitched and A-Rod hit a HR off Papelbon that eventually led them to win 6-5″ but I don’t QUITE know rules like that. Because they’re stupid.
haha, Terry, somehow that’s what I read,e ven though its not what you wrote in the first place…
NYR – Then maybe we can post them to a couple Japanese teams.
Which reminds me …. one of my good friends is from Kobe Japan and watches baseball there about as much as any of us do here. This winter I asked him the poop on Igawa vs Matsuzaka. He said despite Igawa’s respectable K totals, Matsuzaka was better in the clutch in Japan.
My friend use to watch the Yanks when he lived here. He reminded me that he liked Pettitte because when you were facing someone like Maddux or Pedro at their best and you needed a 1-0 win, Pettitte was the guy to dig down and get it even if he was having a rough stretch. He then said Igawa was the exact opposite when he pitched in Japan. Right then I knew his posting fee was a waste of $$$, even if he could have held onto the 5 slot.
8-6, Sawks, bottom 7, 2 on, 2 out for the Rays…
You know, listening to the Tampa Bay announcers on XM give me a whole new appreciation for Sterling/Waldman.
Do you know what my fantasy is? Opening a radio station in Hawaii and having it be a Yankee syndicate.
I for one do not understand the way the Mariners win every effing game. Frustrating.
Andrea: I was wondering what you were responding to !!!!
I wasn’t knocking Abreu, wow! It was just a matter-of-fact explaination.
Besides, I don’t necessarily explain things too well myself, so I apologize.
I dont understand how a team with a rotation that includes Jeff Weaver, Jarod Washburn and Horacio Ramirez is so good.
pete…its not the red bull, its the vodka you mixed it with.
Hey, if you’re a Hold Steady fan checkout Son Volt.
Betemit should be the first baseman on this team.
Bobcat–you’re giving me so much hope….
Please, Francona, put Gagne in….
Morneau up bases loaded 1 out
Okijima is pitching… just K’d Upton. 8-6 after 7.
Serious nail biting going on here…
Tampa Bay 6. Boston 8. Go Devil Rays.
wtf is happening in boston, my gameday is messing up?
stupid Morneau. 99 ABs for Morneau w/o a homerun. Thats why the Twins are bad
Gagne can put his dress shoes on; he won’t be needing a shower tonight.
I hope Gagne’s available tonight.
What does Morneau have to do with it? Gameday says Cuddyer’s AB.
Top of the 8th now in Boston.
Between innings in Tampa. Varitek, Crisp and Lugo due up for the Sox in the top of the 8th against Grant Balfour.
Cuddyer 2 run single. 3-2 Ms
3-2 Seattle. Piranhas getting hungry.
Let’s Go Twins!
That felt really, really weird to write…
Way to go Cuddyer!
rebecca- Morneau poppedup on the 2nd pitch of the ab with the bases loaded and one out
Terry: You did a pretty good job explaining to me! some of those rules are just dumb. The way Pettitte would have pitched with a man on first and a man on 3rd and 2 more runs scored is totally different. Jerks. Jerks I tell you!
Ok, I’m letting it go now
Bottom 6 in Minn. Kubel up, runners 1st and 3rd, 2 out, Seattle up 3-2. 2-2 the count.
Kubel ground out to second 3-2 Ms, end 6
I think our friend Gagne is coming out in the 8th
Ground out. End of 6 in Minn.
Papelbon coming on for a 2 inning save or warming just in case???
Rebecca: Nothing you type will ever be as weird as when we were all cheering for Kevin Millar’s walk off home run. No matter how much you cheer for the Twins!
Go NYR: Gameday doesn’t even say he had an AB!
ah, well, it’s almost GAME TIME!
Papelbon is warming up
Do any of you think Gagne will snap out of it?
Rebecca- Im watching on MLB extra innings
Andrea: No
Is tito gonna pitch pabelbon in the 8th and Gagne in the 9th?
Even in Gagnes last outing where he struckout the side, he looked bad
End of top of 8, in Tampa, 8-6 still.
Go NYR: I figured as much
migames- If they do that and Gagne chokes, heads are gonna roll in Boston and we are all gonna have a good laugh
Pena, Young and Harris due up for the D-Rays. Okijima pitching.
Okajima back out there
Pena just hit one a mile but it was just foul
Kelvim Escobar vs. The Toronto Blue Jays on August 16:
IP H R ER HR BB K
7. 5 1 1 00 00 9
I don’t think Gagne will ever LOOK good. He’s just gross. I guess that’s why he fits in in Boston.
Would rather have Pena walk or hit a single and then the next guy hit it out…
Hopefully this is the last time we play the Angels this year…Does anybody know? I have a sinking feeling we might get swept. Last night’s pitching matchup was by the far the best for us out of the three games…I’m shaking in my boots thinking of how brutal Mussina might be tonight. I don’t care so much about Boston, but we really can’t afford to get swept the way Seattle is playing… God do I HATE Mike Sciosia and the Angels!!!
leadoff walk
Okajima’s numbers are due for a SERIOUS correction.
Whoo.
How has Okajima not gotten whiplash yet?
Go Chokagima
man. Young just missed a game tying homer
The Angels play the game the same way the Yankees of the late 90s did, with no All-Stars (sans Vlad) and great pitching and defense. Where do you think Sciosia found the model for that team?
Has this become a Red Sox blog?
Rex Hudler sucks. Grossness
Harris strikes out. These rays are brutal
Chicago: freaking west coast games…we’re addicts! we’ve got to watch something until the game starts at 10!
Good start, leadoff man on.
I’m getting really nervous again. So not a good sign.
Except that Leche just milked a lead off single.
Where did Kay get the idea that “Let’s do it” was a cool thing to say before each first pitch? Ugh.
Melkman drilled that one. I dont think that one had much movement or location
For Anybody questioning the Joba Rules or a Hughes pitch count /inning limit:
Cole Hamels is missing his next start for Philly with an elbow strain. Last season was his first season and he pitched 132 innings. This season he’s already up to 167 with almost 6 weeks left to go. He’s 24. Our boys are 21.
I don’t know how much work Hamels got in his minor league or school seasons, or how progressed to his ML inning totals over those years. But he’s having a problem now.
Why not watch the Mariners-Twins game instead? The outcome of that game is much more relevant to the Yanks at this point…
NYR – It sure had a lot of movement to the location it landed.
Chicago Dave: because we’re in this for the division.
Jeter, why?!
Well, Jeter’s been hitting into alot of DP’s this year. Unfortunate.
eh. I’m not watching anything. I’m just reading what others post on here. And I was watching the Mets game earlier cause it’s what I can get on TV at my house.
Damn Papsmear!
NYR – After he hit it, it sure had a lot of movement to the location it landed.
Rebecca – “LECHE just MILKED a lead off single”
You are a wordsmith.
WAY INSIDE! I’m sorry, Abreu has a legitimate gripe there.
Well, that certainly killed the inning.
Should I go to sleep early, y’think?
Oh…the division, is it? So, Pete has given up the ghost but the rest of you diehards out there still think we have a shot at overtaking Boston, huh? I like your moxie!!!
Sorry for the repeat .. computer blip
0-0
Btm 1st
and once again my evening begins with disbelief in a call.
BS doubleplay out call at 1st, BS strike 3 call on Bobby…although it helped that he threw his bat down, right ?,,,,Un-freakin believable so far and we have only played 1/2 inning….son of a biscuit eater !
This is definately a pennant race Dave. I want to be there in Boston to see the Red Sox go down
Ranting Guy: I think we’re all on board for the Phil/Joba rules. Gotta convince all the whiners out there–i.e. callers into the Mike and the Mad Dog show!
The ump is really generous with the strike zone. Just hope he calls it for BOTH teams.
Who’s your daddy!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s go Seattle!!!!!!!!!!
Andrea – Are you a closet Mets fan? Come on, admission is the first step on the road to recovery, you know!
Oh, man…Now we have to deal with Seattle trolls?!!
So much for “veteran poise.”
I’d still rather face Seattle in the playoffs than Anaheim.
Moose is making this exeptionally painful and it’s only the first.
Chicago Dave: I am a baseball fan, so I do go to Mets games. But only when they’re cheap or free
I also go to crappy minor league games (the team here really is not good). Secretly, I do root for the Mets. I would love another Subway Series.
Why not some hit and run to avoid the dp?
i know its been done before but…
a seattle troll d-bag? will wonders never cease
Andrea – I’m glad to see you’re secure enough in your Yankee fandom to admit you like the Mets, too…It’s a sign of maturity!
Looked like Jeter had that tag in on Figgins. And what a crap way to start the game by the Moose. C’mon moose.
Dan Iasonia makes another AA call at 2nd base.
I have a soft spot for the Cubs, myself.
Good thing we don’t play them!
Moose needs to be led out to the back pasture and shot…Or carted off to the glue factory. If he was a nice guy I would root for him despite his troubles, but given that he’s such a morose whiner…
Baseball is a strange game. Everything seems like it cannot go worse, then not go better, then… Problem is we dug ourslves such a big hole that when the hot streaks cool down, we are still pretty far behind. And talking of strange, how is it that Yankee team after Yankee team throughout the Torre era cannot beat the Angels. It does not even matter who is on each of the teams. Bizarre.
The entire box of tools is out tonight.
newbie here….
hey, what’s going on? I am on the east coast, not ny, and both yahoo and espn say the game hasn’t started yet? Ack! Any ideas?
Kay is such an idiot. “They did not have proper communication…. ” Please.
A ball to the gap is an adventure in outfielding, no matter what level you play. Of course, he never played, so HTF would he know? Ugh.
Moose, why must you suck so much?
Please Michael Kay shut up already is there a reason you have to make the same point 7 times we heard you the first 2. WHo is the long man tonight
Rebecca – I don’t think it’s possible to hate the Cubbies!
CF always has rights to the ball , Bobby has to get the F*** out the way !!!!
Wussina can you please hold it down !!!
jonnycat
as far as The yankees are concerned it hasnt started yet they are still sleeping from last night
Moose doing what he does best….crumbling in the first inning against a good team. Its his hallmark as a Yankee.
Its August 21. Wouldn’t it be nice if our CF and our RF can figure things out in the OF. I mean, when they almost run into one another on just about every flyball in the gap, you think somebody would figure it out by now.
Seattle just scored again. With Mussina doing his usual crumble job early, this could be 4 out in the loss column in the WC after tonight.
Regardless of what happens the rest of the season, please, for the love of God, make this be the last year of Mike Mussina in pinstripes. The most overrated pitcher of his generation.
Chicago Dave: I don’t actually like the Mets. Being from NY, the thought of a Subway Series is just a realy awesome idea.
I can give you the reasons I cannot be a Mets fan, if you’d like, but I feel people would take it as Mets bashing, when it’s honestly and truely not.
Mussina is pitching scared again. Scared of getting hit, because he knows he has no fastball anymore.
Bad combination, when you can’t locate and you don’t have your best stuff. He’s thinking too much again.
That was Abreu’s ball
Angels don’t get secon base if Abreu makes that catch
Does Minnesota even try anymore? It seems to me as if they’ve caught the same disease that is afflicting the White Sox this year… Why did they have to waste Santana against Texas?!
Bad play by Abreu. He called it FAR too late for Melky to pull off even IF Melky was predisposed to let Abreu take it.
Mussina has been squeezed on a couple of pitches but he has to pitch through it as best he can.
This Angels stadium isn’t giving us the ability to review these close calls….they have better camera angles available to SHOW us the plays like that foul ball, but they’re not showing them.
Nice play by the gold glover BTW.
Scor? Gameday says the game hasn;t started yet
P.S. so far Andy Philips is making a real difference out there I hope Betemit is watching
He is just getting hit tonight. period. that Gary Matthews ball should have been an RBI and it should be 3-0. I hate to say it, but Moose is officially done.
And with Seattle and Boston bothing winning tonight, this freaking Angels series couldn’t have come at a worse time
I never did sign up for the Moose lottery here in Maine,,,but damn I feel like shooting one now.
The rub is that we are guaranteed another season of this rag armed has-been starting games for us next year. He will never accept a demotion to the bullpen and the Yankees will probably have to eat the money and waive him.
He does not deserve, nor have the stuff, to be a major league starting pitcher any more.
Yahoo and espn have melky getting up just now. Geez, i see i’m missing bad things from the sound of these posts…
OK time for the yanks bats to really come alive!!!
Thanks Moose.
by the end of tomorrow night we might be 7 out in the east and G-d knows how many back in the wild card.
Way to waste all the work we did in July and early August.
who feels like going Moose hunting tonight ?
Well, I for one am not going to witness this carnage. I was up to 2 last night and have an early morning (mercifully). I leave it to you folks. But as much as anyone can say it is over in the 1st…. I just hope that if Mussina does this one more time, the powers that be consider giving Ian Kennedy a shot. He could not be worse.
Mussina is terrible
The infuriating part about it is that he will be back next year. he`s to stubborn to retire. In fact we probably actually need him especially if Pettitte and Clemens both leave
The walks are killing the Yankees!
Ugh Moose…
Sigh.
whoooooo arod
2-1
Arod!
Well, at the very least, we won’t get shut out.
An A Bomb from AROD!!!!
A-Rod!
Alex swingin’ his d**….. in LA again
I sure hope IPK beats out Moose for a spot in the rotation next year. Alex cuts the lead in half.
Way to go A-Rod
Time for an explosive win
SJ44 – In all fairness to Mussina, whom I personally have never liked all that much, he was a very consistent (winning) pitcher for the Yanks for a bunch of years. I’m not sure the Yanks expected him to be the same pitcher he was with Baltimore, but they probably did expect him to have solid, winning seasons, which he certainly provided. So, even though I’m with you in wanting him gone right now, I think he did live up to his billing for the bulk of his time here.
It was NOT Abreu’s ball. The only way Melky knows that Abreu has it is IF Abreu calls for it IN TIME!
HE DID NOT. He called it at the VERY last second. I’ve played CF in High School. If I call it, it’s MY BALL…
And that was MELKY’s ball all the way.
End of discussion.
I really can’t complain about Mussina as much as I want to..
I respect that he’s a cerebral pitcher and you always have to appreciate that… but for the money he’s getting paid, this is terrible to watch.
Even he has no confidence in his stuff..everything is just a Little off the plate..no one swings, doesnt get the calls, etc.
and of course Figgins was out at second… no breaks vs. the Angels. I love that they play so well against us and shit th e bed against Boston.
Ok, random question – why is the sound on the YES network so much lower than every other channel??
Come on, Mussina to the pen? Get real, with all do respect, Mussina however bad he can get or you imagine he gets, he still would be a hell of a umber 5 on any team.
Bullpen? Get real already At worse you have Wang, Pettite, Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy next year and then Mussina as a hell of a number 5.
Eat his contract? Why is this always the solution with most Yankee fans? Are we so spoiled?
Mussina in the bullpen would be terrible. He can only pitch on regular rest. He`d be another Farnsworth only with worse stuff
Brandon – How about that game-saving play that Betemit made at first base late in last night’s game? He’s not really all that bad in the field…
Chicago Dave.. i agree.
I can’t hate on him too hard… I respect his cerebral approach and he’s been fairly solid.
but even Mussina himself doesnt trust his stuff anymore and it is rough to watch… hopefully the offense can get to Escobar..or he blows out his elbow for the 9th time in his career.
I usually don’t wish injury on anyone but Red Sox, but I can’t stand losing to the Angels anymore, and i will take whatever I can get
Moose isn’t getting squeezed. Please, enough of the excuses. He can’t pitch against good teams.
Going into tonight, here are his numbers against AL Teams above .500: 2-7 45 IP, 55 Hits, 28 runs.
That’s not getting “squeezed”. That’s being a terrible pitcher.
He is what he is. You don’t score 10 early, he isn’t winning.
The tough part tonight is Seattle winning again. They can’t keep giving up ground each night in the WC race.
I know the popular belief is, “Seattle will fade”. However, they aren’t fading right now. In fact, they are playing great baseball.
Gotta keep it close and to do that you need to pitch.
Unfortunately for the Yankees, they have the worst possible option out there for them tonight.
It is Melky’s ball we all get it ok
but he let the guy advance to second, if Abreu catches it then the Angels don’t take second on that play
That’s BS, Terry.
Watch the replay again. Melky was waving him off from the get-go.
Michael Kay making the Angels sound like they are a team of Ricky Hendersons, Vince Colemans and Jose Reyes with their base stealing. He harped on it last night and tonight again he repeats himself over and over like a retarded parrot.
Angels have 114 sb to the yankees 92. That’s like ONE!? extra sb over every 5 games. Shut up and die Kay.
It’s not a matter of dumping Mussina or eating his contract, or banishing him to the pen. It’s a matter of Mussina pitching well with what he has. He is TOO cautious, and instead of pitching to contact early, he tries to avoid contact, but he doesn’t have the stuff to do that.
He needs to be a bit more Maddux-ish, and trust his stuff. He has great movement on all of his pitches, but he doesn’t think it’s good enough.
It’s between the ears, not between the lines.
He needs to get righted and when he is good, he is good enough.
SJ hanging out with Kasey. yeah Moose is a nibbler woosie that is true so..
abreus strike 3 was inside.
yeah you think melky and the wall guy abreu could figure it out after 90 games………
another solo HR..the angels walk becuase moose is a woosie..
Any chance Mussina doesn’t pick up his option for next year? Maybe if Cashman asks him with “Pretty please”.
I have the feeling that play with Melky and Abreu won’t mean much by the time this one is over. Mussina is going to get destroyed tonight.
The way Abreu called that ball, it’s almost as if Abreu was LOOKING for a collision. If you can’t judge that you have the ball by the time it reaches it’s apex (the standard) or if you can’t call it in a reasonable amount of time for your teammate to recognize AND get out of the way (Melky was closing full force as he should have), it’s best to keep your mouth shut, and get ready to make way when you hear the CF calling for it.
Basic baseball that any junior high schooler knows, let alone a guy who’s in the show.
Way to strike out on the first pitch.
Is it weird that my thinking right now is: “Well, if we can manage to hold the Angels to two and get it to our ‘pen in the 6th, we might have a shot?” as opposed to “Well, if we work Escobar really hard and get into the Angels’ ‘pen we might have a shot?”
If he was waving him off from the get go then catch it and fire it in to second ’cause you know the Angels are running on everything
so glad Andy Philips is playing vs RHP and not Wilson Betemit , I mean you gotta love those 3 pitch strikeouts
My sweet lord!!! Minnesota SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Score now?
There is no option clause in Moose’s contract next season.
He is signed for 2008 no matter what.
Viper,
Who are you calling BS on? Re-read my post, you just repeated my CENTRAL point. I don’t pick fights with most people, but don’t pick a fight with me, ‘kay?
He doesn’t belong in the bullpen because he is a nibbler. Nibblers get killed in the bullpen.
He also isn’t a “helluva #5″ either. He’s done. Been done for the last year and a half. A great offense has covered up some very, very bad pitching on his part.
The numbers don’t lie. He gets pounded by good teams. The worse part is, its always early in the game, leaving the team in a hole and forcing Torre to go to the bullpen too early.
At this point, he doesn’t even aggrevate me anymore. He pitches, they lose. I condition myself to it.
I am more concerned with Seattle continuing to put distance between themselves and the Yankees. That’s the biggest concern.
Expecting a good outing from Mike Mussina tonight wasn’t something I even considered. I am amazed he’s only given up 2 so far. I expect that to change shortly.
A loss tonight would hurt. Mariner are up 7-2 now in the 8th and the Yankees are already 3 games behind Seattle in the loss column.
And Mussina can’t get anyone out. My, his skills have regressed.
Ugh, Mussina is a beached whale heaving it’s last breaths on the sand.
I suspect if Cash was to threaten Moose with a move to the bullpen, Moose would waive his NTC.
Phillips was overmatched vs Escobar and Torre remains Clueless.
That ball was Melky’s, Abreu called it late, Melky had no chance to get out of the way, we went for it from the beggining, as a CF should. If Abreu thought he had a chance he should have called it from the get go.
What I liked of the play is Melky looking over at Abreu and shooting laser beam at him before throwing to Jeter. He was saying I’m the boss out here, call it early or get our of my way.
Shows attitude, shows confidence.
Oh, this is going to get ugly REAL fast. What are the Joba rules if he goes for three or more innings?
Gameday works again I think
Moose isn’t fooling anybody.
This is brutal.
Mike Mussina p
2 years/$23M (2007-08)
re-signed as a free agent 11/06
$1M signing bonus
07:$11M, 08:$11M
no-trade protection
$3M annually deferred without interest
Mussina sucks.
you think you guys are hating this game I live in LA and have to listen to rex hudler..
moose is looking real good. the guy is in his 8th yr in NY, had about 5 big outings in 8 yrs. remember there near perfecto against Boston, the key with Mussina is the term near..
Is that Jeff Mathis or Johnny Benhc.. Moose looks terrible, he looks Igawa like….WOW. HE IS PATHETIC…
TAKE HIM OUT PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!
Ugh!
Should I cry or throw up? Or maybe both?
ughhh I’m going to be sick…
Yup. Way to show up this season Moose
Yeah Stuart, you are right. That Moose is really something.
Another sterling effort.
Get him out of the game Joe. He’s pure garbage. DL him, DFA him, do something.
He’s an embarrassment on the mound.
Trade Mussina to the Phillies in 08, he`d still be close to his home.
I can’t watch the game thread or the game anymore…
too many Andy Phillips complaints and too much of Mike Mussina sucking in reality.
parting comment: andy Phillips has no errors this year… Mike Mussina gives up like 23425 hits and baserunners per game. Who do you want playing first base, turning doubleplays, and making picks….at least in the first 5 or 6 innings. think about it.
At what point do we DFA this F*&K?? I realize what hes done for us but lets face it he is DONE
4-1.
Bad start for Mussina but not unsalvageable…
Hopefully Moose gets out without further damage….k, a big K.
If anyone reads Tyler Kepners Blog he recently wrote an entry about an article he wrote with Mussina’s help about pitching or the art of pitching and how he was going to give him an advance copy the night of the Detroit game then after the horrible outing decided not to at this point he should not even bother the guy has no art he is stubborn and wont go against what his pl-an is the adjustments needed I know it is probably just as frustrating to him but lordy this is almost unwatchable
Rebecca – That’s quite an image you’ve conjured up there! Crying and throwing up simultaneously…Now that made me laugh!!! I’m a sucker for situation comedy…
Seriously, though, I’m throwing up right now…the tears will come soon…
I forgot to include Jeff Mathis career RBI’s aligning with his RBI’s against the Yankees this series…
Moose is going to have to grind it out tonight.
Okay, Moose, generally the idea is to strike the guy out BEFORE the runs score.
Get it?
Memo to Crybaby:
WE ARE IN A PENNANT RACE…. SACK IT UP AND ACT LIKE A MAN!!!!!!!
yeah take him out brain surgeon SJ!!!!!bring in that stud Villone, or Kyle.. let moose suffer and take his 1st one ever for the team..
Yeah SJ I said Moose is great, exactly when did I say that???
My point is you and Kasey act like little girls(sorry if I insult any ladies). you guys whine and cry about everything..
hudler with some insight said moose no longer has a good fastball, wow he is as insightful as kasey and sj and some of the other scouts on this site..
Thanks Moose for having us stay up late for this bullsh*t.
like i said, better figure out how to beat EITHER escobar OR lackey in order to avoid a sweep.
looks like it’ll have to be lackey.
Moose just took the wind out of the Yankees sails here
Take him out??? DFA him??? Let’s not loose perspective people, Moose had four good starts before this ugly one and the last ugly one. If we take him out too early we burn the bullpen for the whole series (remember that extra innings game yesterday)… and who would you rather see up here if we let him go? Igawa? Kartsens? Just grin and bear it you spazzes, and hope that our mighty offense can rebound.
even Boras in the back can’t watch him
this is sooo painful. every batter is a hit or a 10 pitch out
Mussina is filling in nicely for Kei Igawa.
Ian Kennedy cannot be worse than him.
These Mussina games are all but unwatchable anymore.
Nice catch Matsui…good jump. 2 outs
Well this is not what the Yankees needed. Now it is onto Detroit….Fingers crossed.
Crap, why does this always happen against the Angels.!!!!!!
So, who else is ready Moose in next years rotation?
Fork.
Back.
WHERE IS KAJMORON??
KAJ, COME OUT, COME OUT WHEREVER YOUR OPTIMISTIC A** IS!!!
HOW BOUT THOSE YANKEES!! HOW BOUT THOSE SOX!! HOW BOUT THOSE MARINERS!! LOL AT YOUR IDIOCY. I WAS RIGHT AND OWNED YOU!
THE OPTIMISTS GO DOWN!!
THE REALISTS WERE RIGHT!!
Could we arrange to rent Santana for the rest of the year? The Twins certainly won’t be needing him from here on out…
kasey nice to see you got out of your basement for some words of encouragement..
teletubbies is not on???
Moose really fooled cabrera on that one, if he does that again vladdy will take it to the rock pile
Do we have ANYONE in the bullpen who can go long? Geez, we have to have something to draw from with Moose in the rotation.
Well I would like to thank Mike Mussina for freeing up my night so I can get a good nights sleep. Can someone remind me how many more years this guy has on his contract? can we buy him out this summer?
yea yanksmitch those 4 good starts were against horrendous teams
This is starting to feel like some of those games, for those of you who’ve managed before, you’ll know what I mean…. where you look at the other coaches and say, “Who’s next?”, as in, which guy do we bring in to keep us close and try to patch this thing together…..
Take him out for whom?
Has anybody noticed that the bullpen doesn’t have any real fresh arms today?
I don’t care if he gives up 10 runs, leave him in the game and eat up some innings.
You don’t want to burn your bullpen out for tomorrow after last night’s extra inning affair.
So, why, exactly, is no one up in the ‘Pen right now?
Why not put Myers in right now? Oh yeah, we got rid of him…
SJ,
I get what your saying. It’s frustrating me too that Yankees can’t qite pass the Mariners. However Seattle has a killer schedule. I believe it is 43 games in 42 days. After Minnesota they go to Texas for 4, then home against the Angels for 3, to Cleveland for a make-up game and then to Toronto for 3.
I’d be shocked if the schedule doesn’t eventually catch up to them. We saw it in 2005 with the Red Sox down the stretch.
This is probably the toughest week on the Yankees schedule for the rest of the year. As long as te team doesn’t lose too much ground and plays decently, I am confident that when September rolls around the team will make the final push.
But tonight things certainly don’t look good.
This is pathetic…we are going to be four back in the WC..not good.
I guess Mussina’s washed up finally.
This is embarrasing, take him out,pitch damon, anyone.
Moose’s body languae says a lot. Uncertain, ill at ease, scared and sickly with those bags under his eyes.
Btw what is the MLB record for doubles in a series. That’s all the angels are doing. Double aftr double after double.
This is sickening.
Good lord. Get him outta there already. Or have we already thrown this one out???
my god everything is a hard line drive
Wow. At least we won’t all have to be up all night tonight. And then when we wake up tomorrow, we will discover that by some strange miracle, they came back and won!
Johnny Damon can throw harder than Mussina.
The Angels own us period.
You can’t get mad at it Dave. I used to get frustrated watching him him too.
Now, I realize he just isn’t any good anymore. Its almost comical how bad he is at this point. He’s a RH version of Kei Igawa. That’s all he is at this point of his career.
You watch, you hope the team slugs it out in his starts, because its the only way you win his starts against good teams.
However, on nights like tonight and his last start, he doesn’t even give you a chance to slug it out. He makes sure his team is out of the game in the second inning.
He isn’t any good anymore and that’s just the way it is.
The problem is, Torre has to realize he can’t pitch against good teams anymore. He’s too much of a liability.
They have to either get him out of the rotation or work the rotation around so he doesn’t have to face good teams.
Keep sending out there for batting practice isn’t going to help this team make the playoffs. In fact, its what will probably keep them out of the playoffs.
Now, you see why some of us were so upset about last night.
We knew Moose was a guaranteed loss so, you can’t throw away last nights game.
Hopefully, Andy brings his “A” Game tomorrow night. We are going to need it.
Come on now, take him out. I don’t care how bad Villone or any other long man is tonight, I can’t watch this anymore.
no one is even warming up!?
i guess joe figures we’re going to lose this one anyway. no point in bringing someone else in.
Moose actually looks worse then Igawa..
they are crushing him, man you should stay up just to watch moose whine on the postgame interview.
he looks beyond bad..
now they need to take him out….hey no Hr’s only 5 doubles..I guess it is not the catcher???He could not pitch to either nieves, jorge, or molina…Maybe it is you Mike!!!!!!!!!!Nah, it is the umps…………
Well – at least I’ll get more sleep tonight
Thanks Moose!
Hey Joe – WAKE UP — we’re losing!
Kat–I’m holding you to that…
Would someone kindly explain to Mussina that this is a actual game that counts and that he is not tossing BP ?
Chicago Dave,
At this point, we could use Cairo to pitch. Oh, right, he’s gone too.
I want to punch this smith bastard in the face.
sums up the entire reason why I hate the Red Sox… I would probably respect their team so much more if the fans weren’t the most amazing pieces of crap in the entire sports nation.
4 years in boston…
Yankees just looking to keep this game manageable right now. Tough to come back against Escobar down 5 in the 2nd, but we need innings out of Mussina now.
Ron Villone’s got to be better than Moose.
Yanksmitch, who did he play those 4 starts?!
7/25- KC
7/31- CHW
8/5- KAN
8/11- CLE
He’s done man, call a spade a spade. Whats he doing these days vs good teams? Nothing. Do you want him in the same zip code as a Yankee playoff game? No. DFA him, get an arm that can throw harder than 85mph, thank you.
“The Mussina is sinking”
-Shea Hillenbrand
How many more of these starts do we have to watch? Can we please call up Ian Kennedy. I would rather have a kid like that developing being shaky than Old Man Mussina with his garbage nibbling and getting drilled. Its is ridiculous.
The best part is I scheduled a fantsy football draft for 12:15 thinking I would be able to draft and watch the Yankee game. Maybe I will just go to bed.
By the way, Gator is laughing at how bad Mussina is pitching, nothing else.
Why did it take this long to start the bullpen anyway?
Ian Kennedy where are you?
Get Villone in there. NOW.
If there’s any good news, it is that this is our last series against LAA. Amen.
Good call TK…..at least I wont be pounding Coffee all day tomorrow.
Btw……THIS BLOWS.
I am always positive and never give up on the games early.
Today is one of those exceptions. I give up. I am going to bed now.
There is always a tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow will be different with Andy going.
at least i’ll get some rest tonight. seinfeld is on in 4 minutes.
This is really painful. Mussina is pitching like a batting practice pitcher. He should stop blaming the ump for his crappy pitching.
This is beyond pathetic…Wow.
Yeah SJ have a 4 man rotation and pitch moose on occasion that makes sense……
give us some more pearls of wisdom………..
he is stealing money, plan and simple he is stealing money…
Leave him in. We’re not comming back tonight. Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll blow his arm out and we’ll be rid of him.
Dear God…MAKE IT STOP!!!!!
The one thing to remember is that Seattle and the Angels will beat each other up next week and as the Yanks cooled off so will Seattle – ieventually as the Red Sox beat the Yanks the Yanks will urn the tables on the Angels who hail from where is it Anaheim or LA?
Exactly, at this point, you’ve got to let him pitch innings… crud… there goes Torre. Great, now we lose the game AND burn the bullpen! Thanks a lot Moose!
hopefully thats the end of him for good
Wow… been a while since the Yankees tanked it after 2 innings. Way to go Moose you freaking crybaby. Maybe you would have better luck pitching in Williamsport for the American All-Star team.
good night all.. Sad to see the Yankees drop out of the WC race. Breaks my heart.
And THIS is why we’re glad Pettitte follows the LOSER and not vice versa. We need a win tomorrow.
Did anyone else just see Moose walking off?? He looked like he was crying…??
Horrid Moose. Just Horrid.
Wonder what excuse he’ll have for this one??
Buh Bye, Bronx bigot
for those of us looking for better programming, Ranger No. 11: Mark Messier is on MSG right now. And the best part is Mussina blames the umpire!!!
At least if we left Moose in he could probably end up setting the record for doubles surrendered in a game…Now that would be a feather in his cap, right?
Somewhere the Cleveland players are looking on in amazement saying, “How the hell did we lose to this guy?!!!”
About time, send him packing with a one way bus ticket somewhere else.
Ian Kennedy, Chris Britton, hell, I’d rather see Igawa then ever watch Mussina take the mound in a Yankee uniform again.
ITS YOUR FAULT MUSSINA STOP BLAMING OTHERS
Get this sack of ##### Chokeina out of here…Bring up Kennedy. Mussina is a disgrace, always has been, always will be. Once again, ONCE AGAIN this loser is asking Pettitte to save his bacon. It is obvious but they cant afford to loss anymore of his starts. He gives them 0 chance to win. We knew that todays start was going to be hard to win with Escobar pitching but Mussina and his 10 mph fastball and 20 mph curveball is not getting it done. But him in the bullpen where he deserves to be the mop up man. What a ###### loser.
BRING UP KENNEDY!!! BRING UP KENNEDY!!! BRING UP KENNEDY!!!
It’s such a pain to see Mussina pitch this way!
Nice Joe. Way to wait until the game is over before taking Moose out. Always the last one to figure out the pitcher’s got nothing. Pathetic.
Sterling just called it the worst outing of Moose’s career. I don’t know…there have been too many to count. How do you rank them?
I could have been a CONTENDER for the CY, if i could only pitch
You can’t leave a guy in to eat innings when he can’t get anybody out.
Should have been out 7 hitters ago. He’s garbage, get rid of him or kiss the playoffs goodbye.
Outings like this kill your team for three days because you have to blow out the bullpen.
He’s the worst starting pitcher against good teams in the AL. Has been all year. The numbers don’t lie.
They have to either get him out of the rotation or work the rotation around him. They have no other choice.
Just having him go out there for his weekly target practice accomplishes nothing.
The guy is done. Put him out of his misery. He’s embarrassing himself at this point of his career.
Well, that didn’t go well.
Villone is going to take the hit here. Hopefully, he can go at least 3+ innings, but he has – at best – 50 pitches.
that is right SJ, moose the habit man pitch him on 5 days rest, then next outing 12, then 5, then 9, and I am sure t hat will not affect the other starters or bullpen..
Man you should apply for Torre’s job…
the last 2 outings Moose has been pathetic at best…he is a woose to bad I cannot hear sterling and the yankee announcers make up excuses for him.. if he had any honor he would retire………….
So next season, if Moose is in the rotation, which you figure for the money he will be… Who do you put in the bullpen or leave in the minors? Joba? Ian?
That seems like a crime.
Cashmn, Mussina is cooked.P lease give a chance to Ian kennedy. This is embarrasing, not worth staying up. Good night.
Moose needs to be sent to the Pen. everytime he pitches its an automatic loss. I don’t see him getting better down the stretch, all these games are crucial to us and we can’t afford to see if he can correct himself.
Angels announcers are annoying
FIRE TORRE or it`s over, I guess it`s over!
So what do you guys/gals think should be done about Moose?
Moose, go pull a Kevin Brown and punch a wall.
Mussina pulled his best Igawa out there. Torre should of just left him out there let him throw 200 pitches. They are going to absolutely kill the bullpen now.
Does torre realize that Moose has absolutely nothing tonight and get a pitcher up in the bullpen. He is without a clue when a starter has nothing. The game is going to be completely out of reach in a couple of pitches – we r facing one of the best pitchers in baseball you idiot!
Good job cash 23 mil over two yrs to a guy that cant throw faster than 86 and is looking more and more like a long reliever/mop up guy out of the pen.
The only good thing that would come of not making the playoffs is cashman and torre will be on the unemployment line. I love torre but he should have been ousted after 2004. I hate and have always hated cash. He has made some of t he worst signings in history and somehow fans still believe in him – Pavano, wright, Igawa and farnsworth should equal GET OUT! Forget about giving the best team in the AL a cleanup hitter for Mr. TJ surgery, and giving a number five starter at best in Moose a two yr 23 million contract that most number two starters or even aces are making.
And we lost this game in the second inning – according to Kay and Sterling this was a crucial game for some reason/
Somedays you have to envy the dead. Amen.
And hey, we got another year of him too! YIPEEEEEE!
Alright, let’s get back into this game. Moose needs a pick-up today – to say NOTHING of falling further back in the standings.
Go NYR,
Given that we’ve seen a new aggressive youth movement this year, you have to wonder if Cashman is considering it. 9/1 is coming, you can slot Kennedy in and just keep Moose on the roster. Worry about next year next year.
It probably won’t happen but if Moose can’t turn it around soon, could there be at least a tiny chance?
I doubt Moose will be a Yankee next year.
THIS is why they had to win last night!
Steve Phillips: “I told you the Yankees starting pitching wasn’t good enough to make the playoffs.”
MOOSE SHOULD BE PITCHED EVERY 365 DAYS.
Is Pussina really signed for 2008? God Almighty, what was Cashman smoking when they were working on that contract?
Way to compete tonight Mike, you whiney douche!!
Stuart — Sterling and Waldman are NOT being kind to Mussina AT ALL. They’re upset at him for putting the team in this enormous hole.
If we give up the season because Cash insists on Moose pitching every 5 days, then the Yanks don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. That’s just an idiotic decision.
Better find a way to make use of your Stanford degree in economics, Mussina, hopefully after tonight your pitching days for NY are OVER !!!
Here’s a crossword for you…
Seven letter word for incompetent:
MUSSINA
Pete has to be hating life right now.
Mussina needs to retire. Thats what needs to happen
Did anyone just see that stat FoxSports just flashes. The Angels have had 295 relief appearances compared to the Yankees 403!!! That is absoluteley insane.
Do the Angels ever just take one base at a time? It is as if the are running on 60 foot bases against us. They suck against Boston and kill us.
Time to regroup and play a really big game tomorrow–against Lackey who incidentally, was terrible last time out against….Boston.
IF WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE MOOSE PITCH GAME 4. AT LEAST HUGHES SHOWED SOME HEART IN EVERY ONE OF HIS STARTS
like one poster said , if Moose has any self-respect or honor , he will retire after this season .
But i dont know how many people would leave $11 million on table , honor and things aside .
well Joba can rest tonight not to mees up the joba rules……………
SJ wow you know Moose stinks and you are now educating all of us to that fact. I my god , your analysis and stats are so informative..
They have no one else who can pitch at the major league level; kennedy would be a worse version of the present Hughes, the other scrubs stink almost as bad as moose…
they have no other good options….thanks Mike, way to show up and not be scared to throw your fastball..
This Mussina guy is a pitching like a disgrace. Only three times has Mussina pitched 7 innings plus this season. That’s not good.
Henceforth his name should be “Ussina.” It sounds more like his double’s name, Igawa.
The saving grace of tonight’s rout is that I actually might be able to get to sleep before 2:00 am.
POOR MOOSE he looks like a deer lost in headlights
Stef: I’d agree with Sterling because of the playoff implications. It’s not just that Moose had a bad outing, it’s that he had a bad outing at a REALLY bad time.
Wish we could carry a long reliever for nights like this, rather then using up 5 short relievers.
raymondmagnetic
August 21st, 2007 at 10:59 pm
I doubt Moose will be a Yankee next year.
Uh…that’s what the majority of fans were saying about Mussina after last season ended. And then he got a two-year extension. Go figure.
Dave: This is no one’s fault but Mike Mussina’s. The guy cant pitch anymore, Cash cant re-energize the guys arm. He’s made some good moves that have kept us close, cut him some slack.
More importantly, bring up the Kennedy kid and give him a shot.
They can’t keep throwing him out there every 5 days anymore, can they? He’s consistently awful anymore.
Pettite needs to step up with a huge outing tomorrow and let’s hope Lackey is off. Need to win the game tomorrow
Now does anyone dispute what a few of us have been saying for the past 2 months, Mussina is washed up, he’s done……Not only is not in next years plans, he should be extracted for the remainder of this season…..This should be his last outing…..Get Kennedy up now, or Klipprd , anyone please……
Hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but, barring injury, the Yanks are going to keep throwing Mussina out there every five days. I really don’t see them tossing Kennedy into the fire, and there really isn’t anyone else that is a realistic option…unless, of course, they want to completely throw out the “Joba Rules” and suddenly make him a starter.
I rather the yankees sign Hideki Irabu tmr than all Mussina to trop out there for another start
Ryan,
I think Pete would like this. He can get an early start on his story, since it’s basically already written.
At this point, they have to give Ian Kennedy Moose’s next start. You can’t have him in the rotation pitching like this.
Can’t do it if you want a shot at the playoffs. The performances have reached the comical level.
He can’t get anybody out, he can’t miss bats, and nobody worries about facing Mike Mussina anymore.
Its not the catcher’s fault, the umpires fault, the atmospheric conditions or anything else. Its a guy who has nothing left.
At this point, its no longer Mussina’s fault. If he continues in the rotation, its on the Yankees.
He’s done. Get him out of the rotation, give Kennedy his next start, and go from there. They can’t afford to pitch Mike Mussina in another game the rest of the season.
Honor people who have made $125 mill. should have the honor to not steal the last $11 mill. I know it will not happen because moose is a punk. a polished punk. scott niedermayer of the ducks may retire, he makes big money but may walk away and he still is great…
he has honor. moose has always been a smug, I am smarter then you no it all, but that was OK with me when he could pitch wekk which no longer is the case…
Incidentally, if the Yankees somehow manage, magically, to tie the score, I invite any WOMAN on this site under 25 to awaken me: 347-523-1784
Vote Yes or NO
Mussina DFA’d within the next 24 hours?
Yes, and its the right move by Cash.
thats about a 39.38 ERA for Moose in the game. At least it wasn’t 40.
Holy crap. Just turned to the game after Bronx Is Burning. Looks like Moose threw batting practice again. We can’t afford to give every fifth game away. Where’s Igawa?
How does it work in baseball? Can we buy out Mussina next year? Give him 6 million dollars to go home???
Jeter has a ton oF DP’s this yr. I do not understand it……………
Anyone remember Mussina giving up 7 runs in Cleveland and not being able to get out of the inning?
Another great memory to add to today’s and his previous start…
When was the last time we beat LA in LA? Just out of curiosity?
i love moose, hes done great for the yankees, one of the best free agent signings cash has ever signed. but hes done. please just get him out of there. i can’t take it anymore. RIP moose.
saying that i don’t think kennedy is ready. I dont know who they should replace him with but they need to with someone.
i can’t believe i’m going to say this but i’d rather see igawa … ya know what i can’t do it. bring someone else in cash !
Mussina has one more August start and then his next would be 9/1. Even if he’s still starting in September with extra pitchers called up, Torre can have a very short leash on him.
Igawa actually had a really strong outing in Triple A tonight.
It may be time to “DL” Moose. His turn comes up on Monday in Detroit and then again at home vs. Tampa.
The problem with bringing up a Kennedy or Horne or even McCutchen, is there is no spot on the 40 man for them, so it would take another roster move.
The real issue with Moose, and you could see it on Joe’s face, was that he wasn’t even competing. And then to blame it on the umpire? Weak.
I would have to consider the DL option and probably would have to give Jim Brower his DFA papers to make room for the next guy, whoever they decide that should be (Kennedy).
No DFA, because some contender will pick him up by morning and we’ll be stuck paying him. Stupid to do that right before september call ups. They should send down Henn and bring up Kennedy before Sept, just in case.
Thanks for the reminder about Seinfeld being on Adam!
Mussina better retire after this year. Otherwise let Cashman pay off his contract out of his own pocket and get him off this team. Let Mussina except the obvious he is finished!! He is in line to throw batting practice against the Tigers next week then probably Boston, there season will probably be having to give up all of the games that he starts. Maybe he will do what is best for the team and ask to be moved to mop up duty. Yeah right.
And here come the YANKEES!
This team simply won’t make it to the playoffs with Mussina in the rotation. Get him out, give Kennedy a chance.
RallyFarnsy!
worth a try
This looks like Escobar when he was in Toronto.
Comeback time.
Nice hit Bobby.
Moose will not be DFA’d. He should be but he won’t.
I imagine we’re just stuck with him at this point.
Holy crap, I cant believe we are in the process of overcoming Mussina.
we got a ballgame here folks…
I don’t everwant to hear about Mike Mussina not wanting ot pitch to Jorge Posada. The difference between Posada and Mussina is that Jorge is a winner and Mussina is a loser.
Dollar for dollar the worst big game pitcher in Yankee history. Mike Mussina make Ed Whitson look like Rambo. He has no guts whatsoever. The best thing tha could happen for the yankees is that he blows his arm out and they replace him with an Ian Kennedy or anyone with a pulse.
Hey look, too bad Moose couldn’t have kept us in this game.
Apparently, Rally Farnsy actually works.
I still love this Yankee team. They got some fight in them. 7-4, runner on 3rd one out in the 3rd…. at least they’re not throwing in the towel. I have confidence the hitters will continue fighting. Gotta get this run in though.
Ian Kennedy can take his spot. Geez, now we are saying Kennedy isn’t good?
Let’s put it this way, he’s better than Mike Mussina is right now. Its no contest.
I doubt seriously Ian Kennedy would get tattooed the way Moose has against good teams this year.
Sometimes, you don’t have choice. Either throw Moose out there for another battering in 5-6 days or go in a different direction.
And, please, enough with the days rest excuse. Don’t you think ALL of the Moose excuses have been used up?
The guy can’t pitch anymore. Its no more complicated than that.
No more bullets left in the arm. Just turn the page on him and move on.
com’on guys we have something !!
someone call kill schill (ing)…we got a game folks
Id rather see anyone other than Mussina. Igawa, Clippard, Karstens, Kennedy, Wright (Chase or Jarett), Rasner ANYONE
Godzilla needs to get on base and then Giambi to hit one out.
Then we got a new ball game.
Dude, if we actually tie this thing, I get dibs on calling Kill Schill.
WOW – its a new ballgame now folks!!! Looks like I will have to stay up tonight after all!!
Kill Schill-(ing) August 21st, 2007 at 11:04 pm
“Incidentally, if the Yankees somehow manage, magically, to tie the score, I invite any WOMAN on this site under 25 to awaken me: 347-523-1784″
someone at least send kill chilling a text message
7 – 5 !!! we got life !!
2 Run game huh?
Pray to the god of ron villone
Please keep us in this game with your pitching
WOW….somehow…..we are pulling back in this. C’mon YANKS!!!
Is it me, or does Scioscia bitch alot? Lets go Yanks!
God damn it. I started Escobar today. At least I was hoping for a dominating performance out of him. Crap. What a terrible night.
Btw, if anyone thinks that Ron Villone, of all pitchers, can hold the Angels here, you’re crazy. Might as well be 15-5.
Keep the faith Pete.
It doesnt matter how many runs the Yanks score here. There bullpen always comes in and gives up 20 runs after the starter leaves in this type of game. Mussina should learn something from Pettitte and Clemens because he will never have the guts or heart that they do.
Great now we just have to get 7 innings out of the bullpen. This game has 17-6 written all over it.
ANDY PHILIPS NEXT INNING DO SOMETHING !
I dont know how Abreu’s double did not clear the bases. Even with that mix up at 2nd
Wow! Maybe it is still too early to give up this game.
Wow…let’s all take turns calling Kill Schill!!
i hope Schill’s number is bogus.
SJ. i’m not saying kennedy isn’t good. i just dont think hes ready … look at his starts in AAA yes hes been damn good, close to dominating , but hes a control/finesse pitcher, its not like he can come here and blow everyone away. if you look at his walks and innings pitched since coming to AAA the walks have risen and hes only averaged about 5 innings per game. I think pitchers like him need a a full year in the minors. and give him a tryout next year, JMO
Let’s hope Villone’s got the stuff tonight to get the job done!
I can perhaps hear sometime in the future Sterling talk about the gritty gutty Yankees in his game wrap up. We need to hold them here and now. PLenty of baseball still left tonight. I of course didnt think that way a half inning ago.
Yanks rally to give Mussina to memorable sendoff…..He should not get another start this season or ever again in a Yankee uni…..He’s been on borrowed time….Even all of the Moose loyalist must see this by now…..He’s dead weight guys……
When they televise the Yankees parading down the canyon of heroes in late October, they should have some live shots of Steve Phillips, wherever his is, whatever he’s doing.
No question, this team has fight. That’s why they can’t have Mussina pitch anymore this year. He has no fight in him anymore.
They can make the Kennedy move if they want to. They just have to do it.
Can you imagine this guy pitching against the Tigers or Red Sox? Good God, it would be worse than tonight.
Just got to have the guts to make the move. They rebuilt the bullpen and the bench on the fly. Getting Moose out of the rotation shouldn’t be that difficult.
Hopefully, Villone can put up some zeroes now.
I can’t believe I didn’t go to sleep when I had the chance, now I’m afraid I am in for the duration. Work will suffer tomorrow.
Villone for the 3/4, E-Ram for 5/6, Joba for the 7/8, Mo in the 9th for the save.
Im not asking cash to re-energize his arm. Im telling cash to stop making idiotic trades and signings. You dont sign injury prone, NL pitchers to long and expensive contracts, you dont sign medioctre relief pitchers or starter that have one solid yr in a ten yr career, you dont sing unproven foreign starters who scouts say arent even capable of being in the backend of the rotation for 25 million dollar signing bonuses, and u dont sign 38 yr old finesse pitchers who cant throw a fastball for top of the rotation money. You also dont sign well over the hill veterans to ridiculously gaudy contracts to patch wholes in the team. Im not talking about clemens – im talking about every one else. And good job to cash for bringing up chamberlain but even GMs with a half a brain like him wouldnt leave their best prospects in AAA while in a pennant race.
And to torre – u dont bench players making between 15 and 20 million dollars each day to play guys making league minimum for defensive purposes. If they wanted less offense and a strong defensive team, they shouldnt have signed damon to begin with. And u dont leave in a pitcher until a game is out of reach when it is clear he has absolutely nothing in the tank when we really need a win. They came back but he still shouldnt have left moose in THAT long.
It’d be nice if Villone can get through this quickly and send Escobar, hopefully minus self-esteem, back out there.
At least we have a chance the Mooose is not throwing up all over himself anymore. This would be a great comeback. How about a 1-2-3 inning one time tonight.
thanks, i’m watching. If this gets any closer, I’ll be pacing.
Number’s not bogus, but a lead off walk so is.
I stick with Moose. His game is still GOOD and it’s unfair to hold him to a standard of GREATNESS. He’s not that type of pitcher anymore.
I’m not saying that Kennedy isn’t good, but I doubt if the organization thinks he’s ready. The resources devoted to Igawa was outrageous; it had more to do with marketing the team in Japan than with winning baseball games. You don’t try to “justify” an investment like that at this stage because the team can ill afford it.
Mussina is a 4-5 starter, and a solid one no matter what anybody says. The Yankees don’t need to replace him. Quite the contrary, they need him now more than ever.
STOP WALKING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! jesus.
Why such resistence to Kennedy, his numbers were the best in the system,,,he’s the more complete pitcher….This includes Phil and Joba……Cashman knows what needs to be doen, get him on the 40 man tomorrow,,,,,
Jeff NJ, im right there with you buddy!!!
thanks Ron…couldn’t Chris Britton do this?
Rebecca, did you really call him!?!
Hold that thought on us East Coasters getting some sleep tonight!
When was the last time Mike Mussina won a game we needed him to win as much as we do tonight? Even when he was younger? I just wish this game was in the Stadium so he could hear what 54,000 fans feel about his gutless performances. Take away his Game 7 relief appearance in Game 7 of the ALCS (notice it wasn’t a start…he didn’t have time to think about things and wet his pants) and he has been nothing less than putrid.
Kat—I texted.
ughh Villone is like the LH Mussina
Jesus Christ, don’t we have anyone that can pitch?
The linupe showed some fight, but if Villone comes in and gives it right back it will kill them for the night.
That’s great!!! This blog is too funny…
SJ44-
Someone in A ball can match or do better then him out there. There shouldnt be any his location was bad, it was a couple of bad pitches, the game didnt start on time, none of that everyone knows he is finished, it is obvious. Kennedy cant be worse then him. If the Yanks want to win then he has to come out of the rotation they cant afford to give up every one of his starts.
I say give Mussina 1 or 2 starts until September call ups. If he’s still struggling, Kennedy can take his spot. Let’s get Kennedy on the 40 so he’s here come then.
C’mon Villone, please? don’t let this guy get on base? Please?
If Kennedy comes (and I don’t think he will), he’ll come into the bullpen along with Joba. So forget about replacing Moose. It’s not going to happen unless Moose has a complete breakdown (which also won’t happen).
we might be getting some sleep after all
This must be Mussina disguised as Villone out there right now.
Yankees fight right back even though Moose is killing us with his terribly bad outing. Now, the score is 5-7. That is what I like this team now. Everyone is trying so hard and fighting to get into post season. Just like yesterday. Even though we lost, but I must say it was a great game. We fought hard and the team came alive. It just sad that we end up lost the game. We will play lots close games in the future and if the team keep playing hard like they are doing now. I think they will be just fine. Let’s Go Yankees!!
Well, this is frustrating.
Terry- Moose already had complete breakdown, Where have you been?
Maybe I should go to sleep after all. Nice way to hold them here.
I agree with comments that Kennedy should get a shot. If you look at the contributions from our minor league system players this season, I don’t think we’d be in the playoff hunt. Chamberlain, Hughes, Duncan, Ramirez and even Henn have all shown that they have the talent and can do the job most of the times. Staring Kennedy in place of Mussina has an upside and might motivate Mussina to find himself if he has anything left. Otherwise how can you have confidence in a pitcher that can barely hit 86 mph on the radar gun?
Sean, I agree with you. Moose only has one more start scheduled before September, according to my calculations. You can live with that.
I don’t think Moose is quite this bad, but certainly he’s had a bad year. Gotta hope that maybe he finds something soon or in the off-season I guess.
What the hell, let’s give all the runs back.
Mike Mussina and Ron Villone- Proven Veterans (TM) Joe Torre certified. And you know if Sleepy Joe had his way he’d go to these guys over Hughes and Ramirez again and again.
Villone…not throwing strikes. Not good.
Walk, single, walk.
Nice job negating the 4 run comeback…
Can we please replace Villone and Moose with Britton and Kennedy?
Just checking in. Anybody want to give me a recap?
Ron Villone is toast.
Way to come up big Villone. WTF
This could be the night that Villone gets DFA’ed.
Great job by Villone. They score 4 runs and he gives it right back. Just pathetic….Everyone wants to know why the Yanks cant beat the Angels, cant win 1 run games, havent been in the play offs, probably wont win another one for another couple of years…it is called a bullpen. Something they havent had for 7 years. They dont have to look anywhere else. Cashman has done a good job with the minors but he hasnt done anything good with the major league team.
Mussina is finished and should be replaced by Ian Kennedy, that way he screams for a trade and the Yanks can tell him o.k. make a list of N.L. teams save the Mets and Philly (cuz this as shole doesn’t deserve the comfort of remaining in N.Y. and pitching close to his home in PA). He cannot be in the 2008 Yankees rotation, he just can’t.
Here’s what the Yanks could do next year if they got rid of
Mussina and Igawa (assuming Pettitte returns for his free $16M i.e. $16M player’s option for next year I don’t see him passing up esp. after the good ‘07 he’s having):
Wang/ Petttitte/ Hughes/ Chamberlain is their front 4.
Kennedy the #5 for April and May only.
Clemens re-signs and joins the rotation for June on (Kennedy
returns to AAA for further development).
Ideally Kennedy does so well, they don’t need Clemens.
yup, that was fun while it lasted
IT IS TIME FOR OUR PITCHER STEP UP! PLEASE!! THROW SOME STRIKE!!!
Mel–Mussina = can’t pitch even good against good teams, knocked out in the second.
you know he is gonna walk him or let up a double or somethin
Kay says, “Guidry is looking for matchups”… WTF… he’s looking for STRIKES!!
I can’t take this numbskull much longer tonight.
BTW, you probably already know this, but Igawa threw tonight (6.0 IP, 6H, 0 Runs); Kennedy goes on Thursday.
“After a shaky outing last night, Ron Villone was designated for assignment, Chris Britton was called up from Scranton to take his place in the bullpen.”
that was fair, I think
I’m not sure how that was foul, but barring a grand slam, triple, double, or single or walk, I’ll take it.
Villone a 38 yr old nice guy bum.. hack,. he fits right in with his great control.
fatboy Britton languishes in the minors. .I forgot villone is a lefty, VIllone is lucky if he gets figgins out I will be suprised.
he stinks guys …newsflash…myers tunk and so does villone…
Lets give Ian a chance – how could it hurt?
What are you smoking: “Cash always know what to do?” Cash never knows what to do. Thats why we have Moose for another yr and farnsworth is one of the worst relief pitchers in the league for the price of most closers. His brilliant ideas are Oh I know what to do – ill bring in our best prospects and see if they can help. i.e. not so brilliant.
nevermind
Nevermind.
Free Edwar!
Ron Guidry should go out there
Yeah, i dont see the harm in it either. All they have to do is get Kennedy on the 40, which shouldnt be that big of a deal anyway. I’ll look into that now, but i mean Mussina just doesnt have his stuff anymore. Even if he gets his location, this is the american league. You can’t be throwing 85 mph. Barry Zito isnt even getting away with that in the national league west, and let’s be fair, he has a much better breaking ball than Mussina to back it up. It’s not like we have to demote Mussina, but perhaps skipping him in the rotation at least once will a)give mussina some rest or something and b)give kennedy a shot to show us what kind of stuff he can bring to the table. either way, a change needs to be made. that doesnt mean we give moose the boot, but it means we need to try something else to get him going. and if kennedy succeeds, then he needs to tip his cap, go to the bullpen and be heroic like he was in the 2003 ALCS. He, along with Giambi and Damon can cry about it after the team wins.
Guidry just said to Joe, “go get him”. Joe says… really… who’s next? You? LOL
ugh… friggin’ fantastic… I’m really torn: sleep vs. game
this is fair to Edwar. Here you Ed, bases loaded no outs. No pressure!!!
well I feel sorry for K-Ram here, he’s going to get crticized big time if he allows anything but 1 R
Walks in a RUN.
You’ve got to be joking.
Walk, Single, Walk, Walk.
Villone is pitching worse than my son’s Little League team.
Has any team ever done well in the playoffs with pitching as bad as this team has?
another quality Ron appearance. Its so g+ddamn sad that we can get this close and get it pulled away instantly. torture.
Gotta love the look Torre just gave Jeter. Story of the night.
villone doing it big time just 2 walks this inning come on he is the man villone, he is EXPERIENCED the yankees and there announcers love that term.. EXPERIENCE it is true Villone has been around a long time toiling as a sub avg pitcher for many yrs…
way to keep it close ronnie, don’t worry you are over 30 your job is safe………
what a joke, bases loaded no outs..
I am in CA and have to listen to the binehad Angels announcers talk about how the little guys “Macier Izturis and Chone Figgins are really getting it done to get the big lead back”. I guess getting it done” in Anaheim means standing with the bat on the shoulder as a piece of toast throws balls 2 feet out of the strike zone.
villone is too old for this game
So much for that prayer now I really hope that Edwar can keep it close I would feel really bad if he got rocked against the Angels after the last time he got rocked when he had not been used
Hey Pete, I got a question for you?
This upcoming offseason, do you see either Abreu or Damon being traded?
Don’t they have to score first before we get really mad?
LOL michael
Come on Edwar, we’re just asking for a miracle.
MISSING:
Yankees pitching staff has turned up absent tonight. Yankee General Manager Brian Cashman fears that the strike zone may have eaten his staff and rendered them useless.
In other news, MLB sends copies of the strike zone to the Yankees so they can post reward notices around the league in case anyone has seen their pitchers.
The worst part is that our ‘Pen is absolutley CRUSHED for tomorrow.
I know who we can take off the 40 man roster.
Villone.
Here’s hoping for an unassisted triple play!
the angels have over 100 less base on balls then the yanks. you could not tell by watching this series..
nice play for matsui..
If Moose, Farnsy, Villon, and Sean are not going any where, is there anyway we can fix them so they can be effective again? May Gator, Andy, or Clement do something to help them out of the slump? We really need good pitching. This is just …………..
K-Ram against a team that released him twice and in a bases loaded situation when he’s already given up a grand slam? Thanks, Mike & Ron.
Fine play by Matsui. Not a good pitch by Edwar.
MAtsui actually made a good play, I’m praying for you K-Ram
Matsui, great catch. Wow. Thought we were totally burned on that.
It appears we have a dilemma. Only two lefties in the bullpen: Villone and Henn. So if Villone were DFA’d, what lefties do we have to replace him? Otherwise, we’d only have Henn, and that’s too big of a risk I think.
Hi All,
I’ve been out tonight. What did I miss?
Not good. Ah, well. We knew this series would see the Yankees going into their own personal hell.
The head-to-head games with Boston will decide the season. That’s what it’s come to.
Steve- Abreu has a team option and a full no trade clause. Trading him is unlikely. I could see Damon being traded though
Vlad still doesn’t know where that pitch was.
Where is Chris “Great” Britton? That’s the only question I’d like to be answered.
The likes of Ron Villone and Sean Henn in this pen is despicable, outrageous, preposterous!
Give credit to the Yank’s postion players tonight. Instead of saying “why bother” they took solid ABs and play D despite the brutal mound-work.
If the DFA bus is being warmed up, Ron Villone better be on it.
What a pathetic performance.
A 21 kid is afraid of the strikezone, you deal with it and help him improve.
When a 37 year old guy is, you DFA him.
If he is on this team tomorrow, the Yankees have no desire to make the playoffs.
They have to make two moves tonight…Britton for Villone and Kennedy for Moose. They resist doing it, they can kiss their playoff hopes goodbye.
What a pathetic performance by two “veteran” pitchers.
With this pitching, we don’t have to worry about whether a team has ever done well in the playoffs with this kind of pitching. And c’mon, does Seattle ever lose?
Why is he bringing in Ramirez? This is why Torre cant manage. It is the 3rd inning you have to leave Villone out there. The Yanks are not going to be able to tack on 10 more runs against there bullpen. Is Kay kidding me he says Torre wants to stay away from Henn tonight? When was he any good that we have to rest him??!! He is the same pitcher who lost yesterdays games..He is nothing more then a garbage minor leaguer. Let Farnsworthless pitch 3 innings so that he cant pitch for a week, blow out his arm. So now because Clueless took Villone out Vizcaino and Chamberlain will have to pitch.
yeah as bad as you think the yankee announcers are you have not heard anything. hudler is harrelson type homer. there radio guys can put you to sllep in 5 minutes…
That change is awesome. Too bad he didnt start the inning
I have to feel for K-Ram here. I don’t think he expected to be in the game in the third inning, if at all.
And he just K’d Guerrero.
Right now it’s possible he gets out of this inning only giving up one run, and yeah, he did get lucky on that, but he’s been, so far, the best Yankee pitcher of the game!
I would love to see Britton or Bruney instead of Villone
Captain corner believe it or not they have a slim chance in this game and cannot give it away in the 3rd. villone needed to go put regardless of what happens..
What do you tihnk the chances of Villone being DFA. I’d like to see Britton up, but that means our only lefty would be Henn…
Ihave to listen to those nitwits all the time…Hudler and Phisiock are the worst….Be happy with Michael Kay….Notice they never mentioned that Edwar struck out the side in the Stadium vs. the Angels in early July…..
Bruney is not doing anything at AAA, BRitton deserves the chance Bruney does not. the only thing Bruney does well is not throw strikes…
Stuart- Have you ever heard the Cleveland radio announcers? I have XM and do not ever listen to them
One too many changeups.
Can’t really blame Edwar.
That’s the ballgame.
man that blows.. too many changeups man…
Chamberlain can go 2 tonight thursday is an off day and even if pitched one tonight he would not be available tomorrow so use him for 2 and you only lose him for 1 game
I still like ya Edwar. A little change up happy though.
well this one is over.
….
I HATE Los Angeles.
Words are not strong enough to describe my hate.
Back to bed everyone
This is a disgrace.
Unbelievable
Why are they throing 5 changeups in a row? That is bad pitchcalling
now he’s throwing all fastballs…
This is a game that makes you want to cry
Nooo Edwar! Say it ain’t so….
Moose is just a total letdown every time he needs to step it up in a big game against a quality opponent. His name needs to be nowhere near a postseason starting rotation and the Yankees need to find a place for him, a la Randy Johnson, to simply fade away out to pasture. To be able to score 5 runs on Escobar in 3 innings and still be 2 runs down headed into the bottom of the 3rd is a total joke. Mussina needs to considered our new #5 starter and whenever possible,,,,SKIP HIM !
What’s the score now? I can’t even deal with turning the tv back on.
Offense giveth, the pitching take it away.
Sad thing is, they have to find somebody to pitch 6 more innings tonight.
Angels could score 50 at this pace.
This team ain’t goin’ to the playoff folks. Right now, let’s just hope they can win a game on this roadtrip.
Can’t pitch, can’t win. This team can’t pitch.
Oh well, no pressure on Andy Pettitte tomorrow. Just pitch a 9 inning shutout against a team that owns the Yankees.
Edwar channeling his Tampa Bay outing. Better get him out of there next or he will be in tears again.
damn… damn.. damn.. it was really looking up for a while there…
Well, I’m still watching this game, but it’s really ugly right now.
Still early in the game though. I’m STILL hopeful!
Haha it’s really only the third inning?!
We are gonna need A-Rod pitch
com’on Edwar rebound some how ..we need you ..prove to Torre he can’t break you
I have heard them all I have direct tv(baseball package) and xm. I have heard them all.
thanks VIllone for pitching a tidy 3rd inning…
12 runs in 3 innings, yeah let’s argue over who is playing 1st base.. hey let’s discuss the lineup and how we can get Duncan some AB’s!!!!!!!!
How about makeing a trade for a 5th outfielder with power…
Why don’t we pitch a guy who can hit!!!!!!!!!
it is decided on the mound and we lead baseball in all offensive categories but may not make the playoffs, that is a mindboggling statement……….
Kill me now.
MLB.com gamecast is not loading.. so what did I miss? A granny? A couple runs scored?
I can’t believe it’s just the bottom of the 3rd… geez… this cannot be good for the rest of the week..
Great pitch that was…Time to take Jeter and Arod out of the game. Torre wanted to get them a day off…today is the day. Amazing that the Yanks can make the Angels look like good hitters. Now Ramirez is scared of the strike zone. This is where he sees how different AAA is from the majors.
Ok, so sleep wins. Have a goodnight everyone!
Gayle,
Do you really want to use your best bullet in Joba in a blowout?
I’d see what Edwar can give us, then go to Henn and hopefully get through 6, then use Farnsworth for 2 innings, the 7th and 8th. No Viz, No Joba, No Mo.
Still, this season’s team is the one I’ve has the most fun watching since 1996. This year is a big year for the Yanks. Cabrera emerges as the CFer, Hughes is up. Joba’s up. Edwar is an intriguing effective member of the pen.
One strike away from having some meaningful middle innings. I feel for Edwar again. That wasn’t a bad pitch- down but on the inner half.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
This is deja vu all over again. Poor Edwar. Gives up the big homerun, and walks the next batter.
Trust me, the Angels are not this good, not even close….I watch about 80 of their games this season….It just shows how poor our pitching can be…..
Get Shelly Duncan in there to pitch
How can we have a good night?
gayle…are you OUT of your mind ? do you want ANY shot at winning tomorrow ? NO WAY you use Joba tonight ! Silly !
maybe we can bank on another CWS game type comeback with 8 runs in the top of the 4th!!! fingers crossed…
god almighty what a f***ing disgrace.
at least giuseppe franco is consoling me on YES.
Wow, do we have the most bipolar fans or what? We were just down 7-1 and it’s now 9-5. With the Yankees offense, we are still in this.
SJ44 you make me laugh sometimes brother. You sound like Jim Mora and rightfully so. Playoffs? Playoffs you kidding me? I just hope they can win another game.
Seriously though. Like I said prior to the start of this series, taking 3 of 4 from Detroit was great because of it gives us the luxury of getting whooped by LAA like usual. Hope we salvage tomorrows game with Pettitte and be on our way. We don’t play LAA anymore this year so I think we will just be fine. Wild Card is ours.
Mike Mussina will probably lose this game, but Ron Villone blew it.
K-Ram, look, I love you and I think you’re going to be great, so please don’t take this the wrong way, but…
The idea is generally to get the strikeout BEFORE giving up the home run.
I know you can do it. Don’t blame you for being brought into a bases loaded no out situation, but you did get the first two out and K Guerrero, so you do have the stuff.
sincerely,
Me.
(hey, it’s only a seven run deficit…)
Armand…I am WITH ya, bud !
Ramirez: He could implode at any time…and just did: 3-run homerun to Garrett Anderson who is quite frankly, a has-been. Game over as the Yankees offense is only human.
Henn: Doesn’t belong on the Yankees, belongs in AAA.
Villone: Mike Myers II.
Farnsworth: Absolute garbage.
Joba: Useless (case in point: only 1 IP and 9 pitches in the last 5 days and 4 games).
Sorry 1 good reliever out of 5 (Joba) won’t cut it.
NONE of these guys should be on a M.L.B. pitching staff let alone an M.L.B. team. Chamberlain should’ve further developed as a starter, Ramirez and Henn as relievers.
Joe Mama – true dat!! Shelley can just stare the batters down and they’re out
Nevermind.
Its the 4th and its almost August 22nd.
Sj since you gave up on the playoff give up on this site and stop posting, please.
VIllone hsould be DFA’d but Kennedy as the answer!!!!!!!!I have never seen him pitch but 3 levels in 1 yr and his stuff is no where as good as Joba, that is highly unlikely to turn out well.
Edwar had 1 bad pitch, he throws alot of changeups for a reason, THAT IS HIS BEST PITCH………..
Nice game by Pukesina.
I still give Ramirez credit he bounced back that inning.. UP YOURS TORRE, he should have pitched last night in the 10th !!!! and get Betemit in this game at 1B !!!!
If Joba Chamberlain pitches in this game, Joe Torre needs to be fired.
In fact, if there is anybody with a brain left in the organization, they send Joba home tonight to keep Torre from even thinking about using him.
Take the pounding, get rid of the garbage and bring in reinforcements. Its all you can do.
Ron Villone and Mike Mussina can’t throw another pitch for this team the rest of the season. If they do, they are not interested in making the playoffs.
They have played 12 innings against the Angels so far in this series. They have walked 12 guys and 9 have scored.
19 runs in 12 innings. Pathetic.
Felt bad for Edwar but, you can’t keep throwing the changeup. Killed him the last time he faced the Angels, killed him again tonight.
But, that inning is on Villone. Sad thing is, somebody is going to have to eat innings tonight. Hopefully, this doesn’t kill Edwar’s confidence because it looks like he is the guy right now.
Don Vito-
On this, the day of your Daughter’s wedding I ask that you make Mike Mussina sleep with the fishes.
umm, its 12-5.
its 12-5 and the Yankees are gonna need to score 15 more runs to win today
Henn has to take one for the team tonight.
I agree with SJ44 (for once). Joe, as calm as he appears on the outside, is still a competitor and knows that this performance tonight is not an anomily. This is all on Mussina. Villone just added to the problem.
Two moves have to be made, as we speak. Britton for Villone, who should be DFA’d and Mussina to the DL for Ohlendorf. That gives them 2 more RP until they need another RP, at which time they can send Henn down for Kennedy.
If we do make the playoffs, keep Hughes in the rotation and send Moose to the bullpen.
shelley duncan should use edwar as a bat! he’d hit monster changeup homers..
Betemit wondering why is he not playing over Philips
Edwar, you got a big 2 inning save a couple days ago. You’ve got what it takes. We weren’t going to win this game anyway with Mussina.
I take it that Philips likes the pitch he sees in every AB
Well, I’m not going to put that all on Edwar. He actually got the 3 outs and Villone walked 3 guys in that inning.
Talk about taking one for a teammate. Villone sucking big time to deflect attention from Mussina’s performance.
Hey, you know what time it is? Bronx is burning time!!! Its also time to sit the regulars
It could have been worse…A meteor could have hit Earth causing a second Ice Age. That’s positive. Right?
i think moose needs to fake a shoulder injury and go on the DL. maybe he can claim he has a “glossal strain” from yelling at molina. 15 day dl, and let’s get some competitors up here.
3 weak ground balls. The Yankees are wishing they could just forfeit this game now.
Well, that was a ‘mail it in’ inning if there ever was one.
Yankees = http://tinyurl.com/2k44pv
guys if the yanks make the playoffs Moose is not starting in th eplayoffs there is no chance he will start none.. even from the EXPERIENCED yANKEES…
eDWAR WILL TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM AND HE WILL BE FINE MENTALLY…
I agree with SJ, Joba should not pitch tonight and I doubt torre is even that stupid to use him…
we’re just pumping the angel’s confidence so we can crush it later on… we just gotta believe that..
Stuart,
No, I will keep posting. I didn’t get the memo you became the blogmaster.
Have you ever seen Ian Kennedy pitch? The guy has pitched better than Joba this year.
He has gone through 3 levels faster than Hughes AND Joba.
Just because he doesn’t throw 95 doesn’t mean he can’t pitch.
Are you serious? He is better than Mike Mussina RIGHT NOW.
Please, spare me your nonsense. I have seen Kennedy pitch all season. He is dominating without having to kill himself to generate velocity.
He’s an immediate upgrade from Mussina.
They just have to pull the trigger and do it.
The nightmare continues
Edwar, our savoir, basically, isnt that good.
The best thing for the team is to throw Farnsworthless out there for a couple of innings. He helps them 2 ways he saves the bullpen, and helps the team because he cant pitch then for a couple of days and blow even more games for them.
K-ram needs to develop a better breaking pitch.. the batters are waiting on the change.. at least when it doesn’t move as much as it should..
Heh. Chone Figgins has a sprained wrist. I’m tempted to think that’s the best news I’ve heard all night.
Edwar, back to the minors you go, whose next?
Edwar better not cry again after the game. Just suck it up and deal with it. I’ve got more reason to cry then him. At least he’s getting paid for the job.
Bring Duncan in to pitch.
Is it the bottom of the 4th already? Gameday operator is unable to keep up with the action.
Maybe this will be one of those games where the Yankees get completely humiliated and reel off 7 or 8 in a row
Moose was washed up last year. I wondered in the offseason why we signed him again. Someone remind me–why exactly did we do that?
Joe Mama–that appears to be our best hope.
No Playoffs.. must have been name value..
This is SJ44 speaking about the Yankees loss tonight.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq.....mp;search=
Heh
Hey Joe, take out the regulars, the way the Angels are hitting the ball it’s too dangerous out there!
Because he just had another 15-win season.
SJ
I agree completely that bringing Kennedy in is the right move, but everyone knows it’s just not gonna happen. What would they do with Mussina? DFA him? As much baseball sense and common sense as it may make, it doesn’t make business sense, and that’s why it won’t happen.
This game is proof that there is a very fine line between comedy and drama.
It is obvious that the ADD 2nd baseman cant pay attention in the blow out game.
I think Pettite’s probably thinking ‘I so can’t wait to pitch tomorrow. I won’t give up 7 runs in two innings’.
I’m all for Kennedy for being our long man/spot starter. Mussina is deteriorating rapidly.
who would have thought it in 1 night Mike Mussina destroys the bullpen
for everyone commenting on my JOba statement that was posted before the pile on and it was only a 3 run lead at that point of course now unless we make a mammoth comeback you dont use him under any circumstances
Send Ramirez and Henn back to AAA, call up Bruney and whatever lefty reliever is pitching well down there.
Call up Kennedy to replace Mussina who goes to the pen, enough is enough.
We’ll have to grin and bear Villone as what lefty are the Yanks getting, David Wells?
I’ll take my chances with Mo, Vizcaino, Joba, Bruney, Mussina, the un-get-rid-able Farnsworth, and the new guy.
Both the Red Sox and Seattle won and Yankees are getting beat like a rented mule.:)
The most embarrassing thing is that every time the Yanks play the Angels they make there awful offense look amazing. A couple of little slap hitting bunny rabbits look like hall of famers.
Edwar struck out Vlad twice. There are some positives n ths game.
I think we might see Steve White come up as a Long Reliever / Spot Starter. He could probably do better than Mussina as a 5th as well.
yeah bring up Kennedy!! Nothing more bankable than a Kennedy winning in New England.. can’t beat that…
Hey, on the bright side of things, gameday just said melky cabrera had a 176-pitch at bat. that’s gotta be some kind of record.
I GIVE EDWAR RAMIREZ CREDIT HE IS FIGHTING THROUGH IN THIS GAME, SHOWED GUTS !!!
Why is a beat up Jeter still in this game? Torre wake up…
Yo Igawa for David Wells.
Wang/ Pettitte/ Clemens/ Hughes/ Wells
Imagine the look on Torre’s face when he’s told Wells is back LOL.
Wells comes into the Yankees clubhouse wearing Babe Ruth’s Yankee cap, a pizza-stained tee, and faded blue jeans blasting Metallica’s “Black Album”, and I’d welcome him with open arms cuz Mussina blows.
Alex — HOLY S^&*!!! melky… hahaha i wonder what the record is for that..
Maybe the Yankees should sign Jeff Cirillo,who pitched a scoreless inning yesterday for the Diamondbacks.
f-ck that idiosyncratic c-scksocker moosina
Hey Ray our resident, red scum troll. Here’s some advice for you. Die.
You can bet that Kennedy wouldn’t be walking hitters, he has complete command of all four pitches…..He should have been called up for the Clemens turn instaed of Karstens…..The kid can pitch man…..HE’S REAL GOOD
Mussina last two starts: 6.2 16 14 13 4 3
Will Torre give another start?
Hey Mehdi….your Yankees already beat me to it tonight!
Y is Abreu swinging at everything????
there is something therapeutic about being here on this blog. not sure what it is. i’m still completely frustrated, but i no longer feel like i need to pull out all of my hair.
maybe we can bring in guidry… he’s pretty good..
That was not a strike.
i bet A-rod will hit 15 homeruns with one swing.. Boras is watching
I don’t want to see Edwar get sent down. He has good stuff, but is going to have to establish that fastball before relying so heavily on the change. I’d like to know if Jorge called that 4th consecutive change to Anderson, cause that call stunk.
Down and in to a lefty. It’s a friggin cliche for the love of god.
Edwar stays because he has the stuff to be successful and we have to show confidence in him. That said, Villone is hot garbage and should be exchanged for Britton.
The Kennedy for Moose proposal is interesting, but I doubt it’s gonna happen. Too messy on too many levels.
The worse thing about losses like this is having to listen to Kay talk and talk and talk about absolutely nothing. He must love listening to his own voice.
Why does Michael Kay keep talking about a position player coming in to pitch? Is that really likely to happen???
i was really banking on it… oh well.. I’m out guys.. I’ll just play MLB on my ps3.. i always win there… I’ll vent my rage on escobar…
Gotta be up fairly early tomorrow, so I’m going to call a night.
Feel free to post a comment at fireroseboudicc.livejournal.com if the Yankees do the impossible.
Cheers.
See you all sometime next week, unless I can find a wireless network somewhere.
Doesn’t sound like it Ray. You can still type. Let me help you. Please walk up a 4 to 5 story building and proceed to jump off. Please make sure you land head first, but from the sounds of you, who could tell the difference from your ass to your face.
Guess the home plate ump didnt get the memo to lazy fat asses who just want to get the game over. You are supposed to expand the zone for the team WITH THE LEAD. That strike 3 on Abreu is in my 5 worst ball/strike calls of the year, against tough competition.
doesn’t Edwar have like 4 or 5 strikeouts tonight ?
Tonyb
Good post. I agree. I like Edwar and see potential. Keep him up. Villone can go after tonight. The Moose for Kennedy thing is tempting, but I can’t see it happening yet because it’s complicated. However, if Kennedy is added to the 40 man roster, September 1 he could be called up and start and you wouldn’t need to do anything with Moose.
moose should rot in hell…bring up ian kennedy
Tony unless Jorge is calling pitches from the bench he didnt call it. Molina is catching tonight.
One thing is for certain folks, there’s been way to many of these early inning blowouts this season….Now you tell why…..
the only consolation in this whole season is going to be the continuation of the Wang, Cabrera, Cano parade of homegrown talent with Hughes and Joba….next season Kennedy and perhaps Ohlendorf or Sanchez further down the road….
Another walk! I don’t know why I am still watching the game.
Hey Ray? lets not demean oursleve sby trolling. Just cuase we’re Sox fans and we have an admittedly intense rivalry with the Yanks, doesnt mean we should be jerks. We wouldnt want the Yank fans to be if it was reversed
I can’t get on Edwar. The kid is not a middle reliever. He was put in a tough spot by the pathetic outings of Mussina and Villone. I wouldn’t send him down after this. Just have to use him in the proper role. Tonight, I give him a pass.
Joey,
I’ll see you and raise you on some Moose numbers:
11 starts vs AL Teams with .500 or better records this year (including tonight).
2-8 record, 7.41 ERA
46 2/3 innings, 62 hits, and the teams are hitting .340 off him.
Its over Mike. Its now up to the Yankees to make sure he doesn’t pitch again this season.
Can’t just concede losses, and blow out the bullpen, every fifth day because he used to be a good pitcher.
Four out in the WC after tonight. As Yogi would say, “Its gettin’ late early”.
They fixed the bench and at least half the bullpen. They now have to finish fixing the other half of the bullpen and get Mussina out of the rotation. If not, they have big, big problems.
Put me in the camp of wondering why Jeter is still in the game. Having a hard time figuring that out.
Joe Torre should rail into these pitchers after the game. He should fine them 5,000 for every walk. Complete cowards in my opinion.
is there any possibility that Molina mess up the game?I am just wondering……
Thank god andy is in ther tonight to turn the 3-6-3 DP in a blow-out. ANdy-lovers take solace, despite the absolutely hopeless ABs against Escobar.
Nice Double play there…time for a comeback!!!
Anyone know if Scranton is at home today? Kay is correct in that Cashman needs to have made the call already and get someone on the plane out west first thing in the AM. hey do not have the luxury of conversing with Torre about it as if they wait til later with the time difference they need to be on the plane in the AM.
And Yank fans… its ONE game. Remember earlier int he season? See where you are now? It aint over yet. I expect to be looking over my shoulder in fear until the very last out of September.
Look at your offense… 5 runs against Escobar? Thats freakin incredible.
I’m hearing a lot of negativity directed at Mussina. I don’t quite get it. He puts in his best effort, and comes up a little short. That’s baseball. You can’t win ‘em all. He’s a gamer, he’ll get ‘em next time.
As for Kennedy, we can’t start the clock ticking on him. I think that’s been well-established in this forum.
that is the 2nd time he called ABreu out on a ball..
this ump sucks. Edwar did fine, 1 bad pitch he is not being sent down.. VIllone should go, is there really any debate on that one??
Henn is Villone but 12 yrs older and at least has the remote chance of getting some control…
The pitch to ANderson for the 3 run job was not that bad of a pitch//
Yeah having Kennedy be the long man will be really good for his development and health, sure…smart move are you the former gm of the mets steve phillips???
DFA VILLONE? Bring up Britton.
Hey Dionysus,
It’s not the fact that he is a sox fan that makes him a jerk. He IS a jerk. The team he likes has nothing to do with it. He’s a complete wanker (as the Geico gecko would say).
moose…u are up there iwth pavano in termos of the worst free agent signings in yankee hisotry…gock to PA and rot in hell u got for nothing piece of crap
SJ-
I wouldn’t run Mussina out there again either. He is now like the stuffless AAA pitcher (think Tyler Clippard) who can only fool bumpkins who swing at his junk off the plate. Any batter with the guile to force him to come in spanks it. Hence the differential in results against real teams as opposed to teams full of young hackers.
I’ll have to disagree with you. He’s been in a steady decline. His last two outings have been shambolic, and what makes it worse is that they are against teams that we could be facing in the playoffs. Due to our poor first half we don’t have the luxury of not giving ourselves a chance right from the get go. I don’t know if Moose is hurt or whatever, but we CANNOT afford these type of starts anymore.
Lee wrote “I’m hearing a lot of negativity directed at Mussina. I don’t quite get it. He puts in his best effort, and comes up a little short. That’s baseball”
His best effort are you kidding me if this is his best effort then he doesnt deserve to be on this team with that effort.
Anyone want to take bets if Moose has hung around to talk to reporters after the game. He may be horrible on the mound but if he has stuck around he gets a little credit in my book as at least he can take his medicine and have to answer for his crap
Scranton was home tonight for a DH (2 7-inning games).
Mehdi,
I just hate it when some people make us look bad. Im sure y’all hate the Yank fans that do the same for you.
Geez…Dionysus. What kind of troll are you ? You are probably one of those people who believe in reasonable dialogue and offering honest opinions….I have heard about fans like you…. you probably talk to both Democrats and Republicans.
If we are going to be honest, as a die hard Yankee fan I have always respected Varitek and Wakefield as opponents
Gayle – the boxscores are here if you want to check to see who pitched.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/index.jsp
If Mussina was sent to the pen, I bet you he demands a trade in the offseason. Make a list of N.L. teams save the Mets (cuz you’re not pitching for the crosstown rivals, having the comfort of remaining in N.Y., or having a chance or two to help beat the Yankees) or Phillies (cuz you’re not having the comfort of pitching close to your home in PA), bit ch.
anyone who defends that obsessive compulsive piece of sh-t mussina should be DFa’d along with him..i hate everyone u stand for moose.
mooses ERA is 5.22, wow. that is tampa like…
villone walked 3 in a 1/3 of a inning, good crisp outing for him….
Edwar threw 42 pitches…….
Knowing Torre he would say but Mussina was good 7 years ago so ofcourse he should still be in the rotation now. It is as easy as this if the Yanks want to win Kennedy will pitch in 5 days against the Tigers and Mussina will be in the bullpen as mop up long man. If not and they leave Mussina in the rotaion then they are basically saying that they do not care that every 5th day they have no chance to win and are ok with giving up that game. They gave Clemens $20m, so they want to win..then the decision should be easy….get the loser out of the rotation.
Wow, I know Moose had a horrific outing but these posts with die messages and name calling are simply uncalled for.
cano nice patience at the plate to go along with your stellar fielding the last 2 games.
he needs to calm down a little..
mr almost mike mussina…number 35 jerseys are on sale…buym them up now
mr almost mike mussina…number 35 jerseys are on sale…buym them up now
I dont want Moose to die. That’s silly. I just want him to take some time off. Preferably the rest of the season.
now can we pull Andy philips if I have to see another overmatched AB let me see an MLB hitter not a AAAA
Well based on the Scranton boxscore Britton pitched 3 innings tonight so he wont be available to pitch tomorrow. Maybe a bit of bad timing on his part once again as I would think the person they would bring up woudl need to be available to give some innings tomorrow.
SJ44: I agree that Ramirez has shown signs of brilliance and can pitch. I also agree mostly that Mussina is ineffective. Could it be he has a “tired” arm or maybe, has just run out of gas – career? I suspect Torre will keep him in the rotation because of his loyalty to veterans. I think that Kennedy is worth testing out on Mussina’s next start.
But I’m really again concerned about the bullpen. Henn has lots of talent, but lacks good control as the only lefty out of the pen. That’s a problem. Even if Villone is DFA’d, who do you bring up? Another righty? That leaves us with only one lefty i the pen. Would Cashman entertain calling up Igawa for that role? Do we have any decent lefty relievers that we could bring up? Or would it have to be a waiver wire deal?
you know what….don’t let the bastages get you down, all…I am going to remain positive until they put me in a pine freakin’ box. the Yankees can and WILL salvage ONE game outta ‘da three by trotting Andy out for a much awaited NICE pitching performance by ONE of our freakin’ starters and THIS time….the Yankee bats putting 7 plus on the board WILL be good enough for the win. Tampa will pull ONE game off at home against the hated BoSox and heading into a city that is NOT Los Angeles, we will *handle* Detroit while the ChiSox put some wood on Boston for us…we are nowhere near “done” for neither the division nor the Wild Card, and so long as we don’t have to face LAA in the playoffs, we have a good shot at another ring. Call me a homer,,,,call me an idiot…I really don’t care WHAT you call me….I’ll always be a Yankee fan, and like what they do or not, they will ALWAYS be my team…Have a great night all…..put this one in the books…get a good night sleep and let’s mash some halos tomorrow night !
Bring Back Bruney ! Keep Britton in AAA. DFA Villian…ooops!…Villone
Gayle,
Scranton played a DH tonight. Britton pitched 3 innings in Game 1, which probably makes him unavailable for a callup.
Jose Veras and Jim Brower each pitched an inning in relief. They would be available.
Brian Bruney didn’t pitch. That probably makes him the guy who will get the call.
Ironically, Kei Igawa pitched his best game of the season tonight. Six solid innings, only 1 walk and 7 K’s to get the win in one of the games.
Interestingly, they pushed Kennedy’s next start back to Saturday, rather than Friday. Could it be to give him an extra day, or put him in a position to be called up if Moose continued his stuggles. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
Steven White is scheduled to start on Friday. He may also be in the mix.
to show the stupidity of the Joba rules.. if they use him tonight(that would be stupid) they lose him Weds when it may matter. usually you save your stud pitchers for when it matters but say he does not pitch today and therfore ahs multi days of rest. he pitches game 1 of the tiger series and gets them out on 12 pitches but still must have a day off. he could have pitched 2 games in a week of 21 total pitches and that is it…….
these rules are idioticc I do not care what SJ says.. They need torre and guidry to manage him intelligiently but not have these ridiculous rules..
henn is picking it up in the 6ht, this is a bad bad movie
Mike Mussina can’t beat good teams. Nuff Said.
If we banish Moose to the pen or send him down then his trade value will slip even lower for a potential NL team…Worst case scenario tonight is chamberlain/rivera having to come in to mop up…and therefore being unavailable tomorrow….we have to root that henn does well tonight, so villone has a better chance of being DFA’d
having lefties in the pen is overated. a bad lefty is of no help..
a good righty is much more valuable then a bad lefty..
the thing is even in AAA Bruney is giving up HRs, he gave up one last night, he’s not an upgrade
Well for some good news today I am going to be in Toronto on September 13th and 14th on business and figured I would look up to see who the Jays were playing and wouldnt you know they play the Yanks so got myself tickets to the game on the 13th.
There is silver lining to the mess of a game this is
Stuart shut up already your not pitching Joba in this type of game anyway, and the Joba Rules were created by Nardi Contreras he is the main guy that is making our pitching prospects into stud prospects
The Joba Rules aren’t idiotic. All you have to do is look around baseball and spend some time charting the career path of young pitchers whose innings are ramped up too quickly.
The latest victims? Cole Hamels, who now has an injured tendon in his elbow and Chris Ray of the Orioles, who is undergoing TJ Surgery.
The Rules aren’t stupid. Only people who complain about them, without the data to support why they are in place are stupid.
This season isn’t worth risking Joba Chamberlain. This is a kid who has never relieved in his life. He has less than 100 professional innings.
I didn’t make the rules Stuart. But, I do agree with them.
If you want to debate why, that’s fine. Do your homework on the number of pitchers whose innings were ramped up too soon, and see the injuries they have suffered, then get back to me.
Bruney is too stubborn to change his approach — that’s why he’s down in AAA again. Until he listens and then adapts, he’s going to stay down there.
Bruney will come back with a vengenance. It’ll be good to have him back.
Chris Britton or Steven White for Villone.
I have a 6:15 tee time tomorrow…..Oh well here comes this piece of crap Anderson with the bases juiced…..
Lynn — I doubt it. His “exit” didn’t exactly help his cause.
I can’t watch this anymore.
The carnage continues. Somehow I believe the Halos are really enjoying this. One thing about the Yankees. I don’t think they take any kind of sick pleasure in sticking it to other teams (unless it’s Boston, of course). The Yankees like it, but I believe they think it’s just business.
Bruney is not the answer – the dude has a great fastball but cannot throw strikes. Maybe I’m just selfish, if I’m staying up this late to watch games then I damn sure don’t want to see us walking guys with the bases loaded.
You can’t win if you don’t throw strikes.
Great way for Henn to cap off his inning to over the hill Anderson.
Does Joe plan on resting some of the starters???
I’ve always been curious why Torre seems to like Henn so much.
Stop throwing fastballs to Anderson. He’s a fastball hitter.
you’d think one of these pitchers would throw high and in , I mean Anderson cleared his hips before the ball even got there
man we have two horrific lefties in this bullpen, now Henn will probably get sent down because 1) he’s just as bad as Villone, and 2) Villone will be able to pitch tomorrow and Henn won’t….this reallyyyy sucks….what are the chances Bruney for Henn tomorrow, then Britton for Villone on Friday???
Why no Hit Batters?
A-rod and as many other key starters as possible need to be OUT of this game RIGHT NOW…JOBA needs to be on a bus back to the hotel…If Torre plays one more key starter or even looks at Joba, he wins Moron Of the Century….hands down…no recount needed ! Keep freakin’ Henn in the game until his arm falls off, then ship him back FOREVER to the minors with Villone on the same bus !!!
Look`s like Torre will bring in Joba, he needs the work.
This is awful! If Torre thinks having lefties is overrated, then Henn’s going down to the minors again. I don’t see how anyone can have confidence in him. He’s got talent, but it’s lost somewhere else.
In any case, our bullpen is showing it’s weaknesses again tonight. And yes, I’m concerned that it’s a REAL problem.
Henn laid a rotten egg, he should have beaned Anderson.
Mr. Intangibles Andy Philips ladies and gentlemen
“The carnage continues. Somehow I believe the Halos are really enjoying this. One thing about the Yankees. I don’t think they take any kind of sick pleasure in sticking it to other teams (unless it’s Boston, of course). The Yankees like it, but I believe they think it’s just business.”
Mel, do you honestly think the Yankees are more noble, or less sociopathic, than players of other teams?
Game over, Division over, wild card as good as over, Mussina’s, Henn’s and Villone’s career as a Yankee over, thhhhhhhheeeeee Yankees lose, thhhhhhheeeeee Yankeeeeessss LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSEEEEE!!!! Shameful!
Henn has to keep pitching because we have no one else that can multiple innings. We need a legit long man and it might be Karstens again. Hopefully, Ohlendorf, Steven White, etc can be that guy.
It`s Brewski time , as Michael Kay would say SEE YA.
I REALLY MISS SCOTT PROCTOR.
Somewhere Mike Myers is having a beer with a couple of White Sox, talking about Mussina.
“You guys think I’m weird? Mike’s a real pill. He throw people under the bus, and then he implodes whenever his defense lets him down. Wow, look at that. They thought I was bad? 9 runs in 2.1. Huh. Seriously, though, Mike’s REAL good at doing the Times crossword puzzle.”
Betemit in 1 AB does better than Philips has all night
It’s good to see Jeter out of the game. Hopefully, Matsui and A-Rod are next.
Antiwhiner,
Yes, I do. It’s not the Yankee way to gloat. Ask Jose Molina what the Yankees are really like.
NICE PLAYING TODAY YANKS! HAHAHAHA ThisBlogSox.com
Why didn’t Betemit sub A-Rod or shift Phillips to 3rd???? Tomorrow is a must win, and I know A-Rod needs time off, but if A-Rod isn’t atleast DH’ing tomorrow ill flip out.
Tim must be a Red Scum troll. GFY you MF. As bad as we got beat up tonight, it still only counts as one game in the standing. The division was never seriously in play with the tough month of august. I’m not saying that there is no chance, but the red scum would have to choke it away, and as the past has shown there is every chance of that happening. But still, two bad losses but they only count as two. We have a lax Sept where Seattle will have a hard time.
The thing this does is give Cashman something to do for now and next season. My guess is that Mussina is not part of the plans for next season. Next season could be another nightmare of a season though if this bullpen isn’t straightened out. Why do the Yankees with their 200 million dollar payroll have such a problem with the bullpen ever since 2000? That’s why it will be hard to make Joba a starter because he could be such a great set up man. Cashman and the ghost of the Boss hopefully are arguing over this right now. Sad state of affairs, and its not going to get any better any time soon unfortunately.
How can one loss to the Angels mean wild card as good as over? I actually laughed when I read that. We were 9.5 out a few weeks ago. We always lose to the Angels. Clearly the score changes the standings more and when we look tomorrow, the Yankees will be 12.5 out instead of 2.5 because of the score.
can someone explain to my wtf arod is still nthe game if he needs a day off? yank him and let him play tomrrow after that game gets blown away after 4
Tim–It won’t be hard to put Joba in the rotation because he has to be in the rotation. Clemens won’t be here and Pettitte isn’t a guarantee. Mussina might not be here next year. So you’ll have at least Hughes, Wang, and Joba in the rotation.
I’d also be tempted (after seeign what Cinco Ocho has becomne for us) if I were Cashman to have Joba setup next year and then replace Mo as closer thereafter. Will tehy do it? I don’t know.. but its certainly easier to find starting pitchers in the off season than it is to find reliable lightsout bullpen help.
Plus.. Santana is gonna be up for grabs this winter via trade. I dont know about Yank fans, but htere is precious little I wouldnt give up for Johan
Carmine, don’t pay attention to what Timmay says. He’s either a troll or he’s chicken little. Either way his word means nout.
If A-rod plays this whole game I’m going to go out on a limb and say he won’t be in the lineup at all for this series finale.
Musstinka is probably in the club house wearing a captain america shirt and drinking a beer. Maybe even with a couple of naked girls. He must be having fun.
ughh the good news is this game has 2 more innings
andy will be in our rotation next year…but that is a long way away. for now we should be waving villone and henn goodbye and welcoming back bruney and britton….and why not IPK to the bullpen like joba?
The Yankees are now 2 1/2 games out, 4 games behind Seattle in the loss column, the Mariners appear to be a team of destiny right now, they never freakin’ lose!!! The Angels are pitching their best pitcher tomorrow, our bullpen besides Joba and Mariano is totally spent, running on fumes, if we don’t get 7 innings out of Andy the Yankees are looking at 7 games out of the division and 5 games out of the wc right in the face, with 4 games at Detroit coming up, it isn’t pretty and no real bp help down in Scranton.
Well thats it for me I am on aplane tomorrow night to the UK so will miss the next game as I will be opn a plane. Hope it turns out better than tonight.
I was hoping Henn would finish this game. He only threw like 40 pitches. He used to be a starter. So what if his arm falls off? Things happen when you give up grand slams.
hello,
I don’t think there’s anyone to put at 3rd. Derek is hurting so he came out first.
throws out the whipping boy Vizcaino
AND THEN WE ASK WHY THERE ARE JOBA RULES
This move puzzles me. Why Vizcaino? Farnsworth should be in this game and show some guts. He pitches 1 inning last night and he can’t pitcher tonight? What’s up with that? It further shows his lack of value. In essence Torre is wasting Viz on a lost game. I don’t understand it. Does anyone else?
Torre has got to be kidding me. Vizcaino is pitching in this mess. Where is Farnsworthless??!!! Viz is actually useful, Farns is not!!!! This is the EXACT reason why Chamberlain comes with rules because the organization knows Torre would blow him out. Viz told Torre his arm was bothering him but he pitches in a 18-5 game…..This is as bad as it gets.
If the Yanks banish Mussina to the pen, it might save the Yanks 2007 season (which is more important than his trade value) cuz in case you haven’t noticed, it is in serious jeopardy of being over by 9/5.
Here’s a very possible scenario:
Yanks win tomorrow but Seattle wins tomorrow, too. The Yanks remain 2.5 games behind Seattle. Yanks split at Detroit, but Seattle goes 3-1 during that split, the Yanks are 3.5 games behind Seattle. Yanks go 4-2 vs. Boston and Tampa Bay (2-1 vs. each or 1-2 vs. one and a sweep of the other), Seattle goes just 3-3, the Yanks are 2.5 games behind Seattle. Seattle wins 2 of 3, the Yanks are 3.5 games behind Seattle with 21 to play -borderline finished, done if Kansas City takes 2 of 3 or sweeps (former is always possible vs. any team, latter is unlikely). Seattle sweeps the Yanks, the Yanks are 5.5 behind Seattle with 21 to play and the Yanks season is over after 9/30. Seattle is not collapsing with that lead i.e. it’d be a miracle if they did.
This isn’t entirely impossible. The only most likely not happening thing out of all the Yankee series is Kansas City winning 2 of 3 or sweeping but who knows? They’d love to spoil, you know Tampa Bay would finally. Who’s the hunter in those series? Certainly not the Yanks. Those teams have nothing to lose. Betcha T.B. starts Kazmir and Sheilds their dual ace and K.C. starts their ace Meche. Then those 6 games are no longer a 5-1 or 6-0 gimme.
The Yanks should tell Cashman, Afterman, and Torre this:
You three are fired the moment the Yanks are eliminated from the postseason if they are eliminated.
That way there are no suprises and just one press conference
by Steinbrenner and his son Hank immediately after the game.
It has to be that cut and dry, no waiting, deliberating. Larry Bowa manages out the string and if he doesn’t like it, fire him too. Mattingly won’t quit, I doubt Guidry, Pena, Long, and Kerrigan would either. It has to reach that point.
The free ride is over if the Yanks miss the postseason, this should be the final/ last straw. It should’ve been over after 2004. Cashman, Afterman, and Torre has 2005, 2006, and 2007 to right the ship. That’s plenty of chances for them to get it done in their respective jobs. The Yanks missing the postseason for the first time since 1993 thus being the worst team in the Torre era, perhaps the highest paid team to not make the postseason and the worst Yankee team since 1992 (if the ‘07 Yanks win only 87 games to the ‘93 team’s 88) is unacceptable. This is worse than 1989-92 ever was cuz you knew those teams would su ck/ wouldn’t even finish .500 or better. THIS ONE?
I would’ve liked to see Henn again. He’s had 2 scoreless innings. lol.
The Mariners have also been playing sub .500 teams the past two weeks or so, so they’ve been on a hot streak. They’re kind of doing what we did in July. Look at their schedule. They have some tougher teams coming up. I’m not saying they’re going to drop off, but they’ll cool off just like we did.
The game is almost over and I’ll stay awake for at least the next 12hrs. I expect to see some changes to the bullpen because we need a long man and Pukesina sucks.
“UPDATE, 12:23 p.m.: Chris Britton went 3 innings for SWB tonight, so he’s not on the way. Bruney?”
What a gigantic waste of Chris “Great” Britton. The coaches at SWB should be fired!!
Correction:
87 wins would tie with the 2000 Yanks but that team won the division, so 87-75 would make the ‘07 Yanks the worst team since the ‘92 team in quality if not by record. 86 wins is second-worst to ‘92 by record.
But the bottom line here is Mussina. His crappy start is what led to this massacre and blowing out the bullpen. He’s the cause and effect.
well thank god for Betemit
Sooo, Vizcaino has a tired arm and gets a day off. Then Torre uses him in 2 straight games, the second one being a game where we have no chance of winning. Torre really decided to give Farnsworth today off instead of Vizcaino???
No AL record for RBIs in game for GA thanks to Betemit
Mr.Intangilbles shows his hustle
We still have a 9th inning. We don’t even have position players left to throw out on the mound ala a blowout. Except Jorge. I’d love to see Jorge pitch.
I stopped watching. Is he actually using Vizcaino in this game??? If that’s the case, then I have lost all respect for him.
What is he thinking? This is why some of us go nuts when we see how badly he misuses a bullpen. He blew the game last night being clueless and now wastes, and probably is buring out, Vizcaino tonight.
Unreal.
As Captain said, good thing Chamberlain comes with rules.
Its quite telling that a guy who has managed this team for 12 years has to be given a pitcher with “instructions” attached to him.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his skills if you ask me.
One of the Farnsworth rules is he doesn’t pitch 2 nights in a row.
Oh, I forgot the 9th inning doesn’t exist when you lose on the road. This game’s thrown me off.
The good news is the Angels will be so exhausted from running around the bases tonight, they won’t be in any shape to win tomorrow.
WHAT A TRAVESTY THIS GAME IS !!!
MELKY….:(
I am raising the stakes right now, if this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I am raising the ante. Anybody who wants out, can get out. This team is going to the playoffs. OK? This team is going to the playoffs.
CAN YOU SAY COMEBACK?! RALLY TIME! 3 RUNS DOWN! 10 TO GO!
BETEMIT STILL WONDERING WHY JOE WON’T START HIM OVER ANDY PHILIPS
Betemit NEEDS TO START!!!!!!!!
Only 10 more to tie !!!! Way to go Benemit !!!
I like Betemit he can hit. He should play 1st base more often. He could be the 1st baseman of the future since Phillips is not.
I’ll go in they’re going to the playoffs. Not via the division. Boston’s too deep to collapse. And unless the Yankees go on a tear, they need the Red Sox to collapse to gain back the east. But, I think we still have a very good shot at the WC.
How far did that ball go? Rookie pitcher’s ERA just went from zero to 5.4 in 2.6 seconds.
N we need Betemit off the bench I mean how can you think of benching Mr.Intangibles Andy Philips , he makes a game real competitive
Where has Andy Phillips’power gone? I thought he was a slugger in the minors. Yet, so far he has only 2 HRs. We need more power from the 1B position and he’s not cutting it. I know he’s doing a great job defensively, but can Betemit provide the glove and power?
Mel- “One of the Farnsworth rules is he doesn’t pitch 2 nights in a row.”
When you pitch as bad as Farns pitches…there are no rules for you. He is the 1 that pitches in this game not someone that is actually useful.
Shelley’s line drive brought back bad memories. I made that exact line drive to end a playoff game in little league with the bases loaded. Of course, that game was a lot more important.
mel: LOL!
It’s time for Phillips to lose some PT. I’m getting of him swinging at the FIRST PITCH IN EVERY SINGLE AB!!!
OK…we’re halfway there.
A BOMB FROM AROD !!!!!!!!!!!! Too little too late but it still looks good.
We need 9 to tie, 10 to win…
C’mon! Let’s knock Tony’s son out of the game!
It’s kinda sad that we’ve scored 15 runs in 2 games against a team that’s built on great pitching and we’ve lost both.
Such a meaningless homerun, Alex. lol.
For those of you still listening, are the Angels announcer talking about going to the well one too many times? Or was that reserved for Edwar?
The Yankees lose Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees lose…..
thank god it’s over , well can’t wait to see Mr. Intangibles Andy Philips tomorrow vs RHP John Lackey
That’s game. Hopefully, Pettitte will at least go deep in tomorrow’s game. Phillips lost his spot in the order, IMO. Betemit and Duncan had good ABs while Phillips has continued to swing at the first pitch. ANNOYING!!
The Angel scorekeeper gave Marc Gwyn a save. That’s a joke and the rule needs to be changed.
I have no issues w/ Edwar Ramirez he pitched w/ guts
GUTLESS WAS RON VILLONE, MIKE WUSSINA,
oh I’m sorry I have to add Mr. Intangibles Andy Philips who’s a better option than Wilson Betemit at 1B
LA must be looking mighty attractive to A-rod right now. He must be so embarassed playing for the Yankees. lol. Bounceback game tomorrow!
How sad is it that you actually look forward to getting out of LA and head to Detroit?
I guess he did pitch “effectively”. He was just giving the rest of the bullpen the night off.
I can understand Duncan sitting for the other outfielders. But Betemit should not be sitting for Phillips. He should be playing 1st base everyday now to get used to it so if they make the playoffs they can play him there every game so we dont have to see Phillips play there in a big game. In spring training I am sure he will work everyday at 1st unless the Yanks get a real 1st baseman. The team should smack Mustinka silly now that the game is over.
Even A-Rod’s double homeruns couldn’t save the Yankees. What a shame!
I actually like Andy Phillips and his intangibles. But, that said, at this juncture, Wilson Betemit has more than proven he should be starting at first. At least against righties.
SJ44 the Joba rules are stupid because RECENT YANKEE HISTORY
(we’ll say since 1980 which is 27 years including this one) shows the Yanks have not ruined any farm arms who might’ve made a difference in their season. Here are Yankee farm arms in this 1980-2007 era who were heavily worked by the Yanks who did/ have not fallen apart: Guidry, Righetti, Pettitte, Wang, Mendoza, these are the most notable ones. One prospect hurt himself in a bar brawl, so he doesn’t count. Name me one in the 1996-2001 era when it didn’t matter. Name me one in the 2002-2007 when it did. None of the guys the Yanks traded for in the Torre era ever fell apart from overuse in the Yankees farm system and/ or as Yankees -Eric Milton, Jake Westbrook, Ted Lilly, Tony Armas Jr., Mike DeJean. I could go on. You need to cite real world examples in Yankee history not your fears. I understand you don’t want Joba hurt, but hey, every time he is sent out there is a risk.
How could you assume he will never get hurt outside of overuse when you saw what happened to Hughes 5/1/07 at Texas. Here Hughes was rolling along with a no-hitter then he pulls his hamstring, then twists his ankle in rehab, out
3+ months. One could say if Cashman had got a fuc king viable fourth starter behind Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes would’ve never been called up. Clemens came in cuz of Igawa’s bombing and Hughes’s injury.
It’s funny that all you could come with is Cole Hamels and
Chris Ray. That’s your stats? And B.J. Ryan got knocked out with injury…and Halladay has been on the d.l. at least once seemingly every year. Mark Prior was blatant overuse,
pitching Joba tonight and tomorrow would barely be close to that, so get a grip. Did you know that Ray was/is Baltimore’s closer, and closers pitch as many as 60 or more games a season? It stands to reason he got hurt not from overuse but from misuse. Joba is being misused. He should not be a reliever. He should be in the Yankees rotation or further developing in AAA. His callup is an indictment on Cashman’s failure with putting together a viable bullpen. Proctor and Myers are gone, Villone should be after this game. Vizcaino could decide to bolt for closer money next year. Farnsworth is a bust. His callups are worth jack. That’s what he’s done for the Yankee bullpen.
Anyone who ascribes to theory in defiance of practice is stupid because games cannot be managed with set rules. Torre said no Mo before the 9th, Mo’s in before the 9th before May and that’s Mo, 100X more important than Joba. Take Mo out of the picture next year -say he retires or loses it- the 2008 Yanks are going nowhere. Take him out this year, it’s over.
You gonna have Vizcaino close? Are you serious? If not him or Joba who, Clemens? It will be a sad and frightening day when Mo hangs up his spikes. I really cringe at who they bring in and I pity that guy.
Anyone with common sense knows that these Joba rules shorten the pen thus weaken it and you don’t make it to the playoffs without a good bullpen which includes guys who can pitch back to back days. In fact I DEFY you to name me one World Series Championship team including a World champ Yankees team who had a reliever outside the closer not pitch back to back games. You can’t and you won’t, and thus these Joba rules are surreal and ridiculous. Mendoza was arguably second most valuable reliever after Mo in the dynasty era, and he was used at every possible turn.
This isn’t A Tampa, AA Trenton, AAA Scranton, spring training, or the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. If you’re a reliever who can’t pitch on back to back days, you’re useless.
I really hate angels.
I hope John Lackey will be defeated by yankees tomorrow.
15 runs scored over two games. both games lost.
impressive. the red sox are shaking in their little red booties.
I thought baseball was supposed to be an unpredictable sport. But these last two days have gone according to script.
But this is where we all were a week ago. Another horrible Mussina outing and Andy Pettitte taking the ball to end a losing streak. The Yankees went on to win 3 in a row. I think the Yankees find a way to win tomorrow and split 2 of 4 with the Tigers. On the road trip, 3 and 4…like kissing your sister but not disastrous. Now if only we could get just a little help from Twins, D’Rays, White Sox or Rangers…I know it’s alot to ask but let’s try to stay positive.
Joey V,
He also only gave Gwyn 2 ER. How can, when he walked Molina who scored on Betemit’s homerun. Alex added one more ER? I thought you couldn’t assume a double play ball on Melky’s ground out? Looks to me like at least 3 ER. No big deal, just wondering about the official scoring.
Too lazy to go back and look, but how many of the 9 BBs we issued crossed the plate?
Joba Rules Defier–It’s better to be safe than sorry.
they had to use Vizciano because of Farnsworth cannot go back to back games can you imagine that.
I just heard on Yes after yankee loses in 7 games he is 0 and 6, man is he bad….WOW..
Moose should retire now…Do the Yanks a favor..Yeah guys celebrate a rod HR in a game they were embarassed in……….
so not only does farnworth stink he is a musclebound pansie..
I would trade 1 year of not making the playoffs for 10+ years of a Hughes, Chamberlain 1-2 punch every single time. Long term value vs. short term satisfaction. That is what we are talking about….I’ll take long term value every single time.
Love live the Joba rules.
the yankee announcers are in denial Moose is one of the worst starters in the AL,,,Moose is slightly better then andy sonnestine of tampa and I think is not as good as edwin jackson..
jeff weaver is now better then moose…
moose 0 – 6 in 7 games after yankee loses, he is really clutch, way to man it up for the team..
Kozlowski tomorrow probably, if anybody. Beam’s a possibility, but I’d say no Bruney. As for Mussina, he should demote himself, it’s true. Time for Mr. IP Kennedy.
britton deserves the callup……
britton deserves the callup.. everyone say it…
Nice to see Torre getting the Viz some work.
PETE…would you still refrain from calling Torre a rockhead ? do even YOU have an excuse for that insanity ?
E-ROC
Better to lose two games in a row and not use the second best reliever after Mo (Joba) in either game cuz of some stupid rules which should apply to AAA not M.L.B. Gotcha.
Joba has pitched ONE inning in which he threw 9 pitches in the last 5 games. If the Yanks lose (entirely possible with L.A.’s ace John Lackey on the mound) and don’t use Joba tomorrow, Joba, again, the Yankees second-best reliever after Mo, is sitting around for 6 days out of 7…and quietly pissed off that he is not in games. That could take a mental toll on a guy and put wayyyy more pressure on him to perform. B.t.w. what if he gets hammered in Detroit? They’ve seen him now. There’s a book on him now and you better believe he will be adjusted to. To whate degree I can’t say, but everyone gets figured out…just like everyone gets bombed. If Mo can get hammered, this newjack certainly can.
Mussina do more than you’ve done for this team all year long…DL yourself right now…for the rest of the season…go the way of Kevin Brown…just disappear…take your money and go…I’m sick of the whining and the finger pointing, the lack of fire, the excuses, the need for perfect conditions, perfect amount of days rest, arguing balls and strikes with the umpire and giving up runs when plays aren’t made behind you.
Just go…go now and don’t come back…not even for Old-Timers Day.
orre post game… Moose denail.. The guy looks washed up..
Why not moose talk to the media??????????????
Clemens talked to them after the WHitesox fiasco….
Because moose is a woose, pathetic, gutless, pompous woosie……….
Well, he’s talking to the media right now.
brain surgeons if he did not use Viz who could he have used???Joba??Mariano??Pussy Farnsworth??
Brain Surgeons those were his choices..Use Joba he is not available Weds.(Bad idea)..Mariano(the best closer of all time) no..
Pussy Kyle(he is unavailable because he is brittle and a loser…….
TORRE HAD NO CHOICE MORONS….
I’d have brought in Wade Boggs and his knuckler. I say one way or another, Joba has to go at least an inning tomorrow. He doesn’t even have to miss a game with the off day if it’s only one inning.
yeah Moose is manning up(I am chuckling) hey I hope he turns it around but I am skeptical..I was in SF for the Tiger game so I did not see it but he is getting shelled……….
again brain surgeons who could torre have used.. Ramirez threw over 40 pitches I think Henn threw even more.
Villone could not get anyone out..
FROM MY CALCULATIONS torre had no choice but spout of your stupidity.. Peter your comment on this subject also was idiotic which is suprising usually you are thoughtful.
Kasey get up from your nap for more of your sour puss whining, nice to see….
Stuart you are one angry dude…
Jonathon get a grip as well.
You’d trade a year of not making the playoffs for Hughes-Chamberlain 1-2 punch then you’re not a real Yankee fan, you’re just not. Did you know that the two of them have less than 10 career M.L.B. starts between them and Hughes has made all of them. So your assumption that both will be the next Maddux-Glavine is quite frankly, ridiculous. Hughes is barely pitching like a good #4 let alone a solid #3.
It’s about making the postseason every year, and again, name me one Yankee farm arm who got destroyed and it killed the Yankees making the postseason. You can’t.
B.t.w. the Yanks have played barely above .500 since Joba got called up. No coincidence when you shorten your bullpen
in most of those games cuz of some inane overprotection which has officially killed the Yanks in this stretch.
Joba should’ve come in right after Hughes last night and I betcha the Yanks hold on to win it if he goes in there. We wouldn’t have had Villone, Farnsworth, or Henn in it if he comes in. Oh wait I forgot -one guy who’s barely done anything in M.L.B. is more important than the team…when he isn’t.
I just wanted to chime in that I like Mussina a lot and I haven’t forgotten the fact that he’s been an important part of our rotation for many seasons(save for two when he wasn’t healthy) because he hasn’t been this year. And I’m not defending his last two outings at all. Just saying, it doesn’t deflate the whole rest of his Yankee career.
Signed,
A Mussina Fan
yeah I am when people constantly spout off nonsense with no rationale…
he had no choice because of kyles mental I meant medical situation and the infamous Joba rules..
not that complicated they only have 25 men on the roster..
Joba Rules Defier–I know and understand what you’re saying, but it ain’t happening. It’s time to stop beating a deadhorse. If u don’t, I’m callin’ PETA. LOL!
Stuart–Stop with your name-callin’. If they happen to disagree with what you’re saying, then so be it. No need to call a person a moron.
Carmine what are you talking about??
Moose has not been terrible over his Yankee tenure but he has been a 15 game winner on a juggernaut…
The guy has had very few big moments with the Yanks considering the guy has over 240 career wins…
he is the invisible 240 winner, he is the ghost, when it counts he cannot be found.. the woulda coulda shoulda guy, that is the moose…
Eroc then what are they ..for the 3rd time TOrre had no choice, to say he should have done something that he could not do is MORONIC..
If the shoe fits they should wear it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just don’t know how they can let Mussina start Monday at Detroit.
However, I know Joe Torre and Brian Cashman and they are going to give us all the stats prior to these 2 starts and how he’s come up big for them before and how he’s due to have a great game, etc…
They may have the stones to send Myers and Cairo packing, but I don’t think they have the stones to send Mussina into the pen to figure it out.
What happened earlier this season is all Mussina’s fault and you can’t blame it all on him, however he is not to be trusted on the mound and you are rolling dice right now hoping he shows up with some stuff, doesn’t get ticked at the umps or doesn’t find some other excuse for why the conditions were not perfect for him just to give a quality start.
I wish he would pull a Kevin Brown and punch a wall, but that’s not going to happen. Mussina was a mistake. Another Cashman free agent pitching mistake. For all the good the young guys have done for this season, I still go back and say Cashman walked into this season thinking Pavano, Igawa and Mussina were a solid 3/5’s of his rotation.
This is the reason why we’re in the position we are right now.
Ok…I’ll bite…
No, Phil Hughes is not pitching like an ace after 5 starts in the major leagues and Joba has thrown 7 innings his whole major league career. Their body of work is not enough to judge a career on. Obviously…
But you are telling me that you could tell that Tom Glavine was going to be a 300 game winner after his first nine starts. You can’t. All you can do is look at the potential, listen to the scouts and see for yourself. People who know a lot more than me about baseball project Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain as dominant starters for years. I’ll listen to their opinion a lot closer than someone in an internet chat room.
If the Yankees don’t make the playoff this year, it’s not the end of the world…trust me it’s not. The Yankees should protect the young arms they have because these arms are the foundation of the future success everyone is hoping for.
I don’t mind the Joba rules actually. I think Cashman is only trying to protect him because the bullpen move was a risk. The last thing Cashman wants is to be the blame if Joba is injured.
Missing Joba tonight was not the reason we lost. We lost because of crappy a Mussina start, Villone’s poor relief and the Angel’s having a hot night with their bats. Of course, the pitching gave up 9 walks. Rarely do you win games allowing 9 walks in 8 innings. Add the other 17 Angel hits, well you get the picture. It could have been worse when the Angels stranded 22 runners on base.
Again, my concern again is the bullpen. Villone is not effective. Henn, although a rookie, has not shown he’s got playoff caliber. That leaves us with 3 “reliable” relief arms: Rivera, Chamberlain and Vizcaino. Farnsworth has a great arm, but he’s got a way to go to prove he can get the job done. We don’t have a pitcher that can “”eat up innings” either. This is another reason we saw 5 pitchers tonight. Moving Mussina to the pen might solve that problem right now. I was surprised Torre took Henn out and pitched Viz.
The starting rotation is not at its best now; Mussina being a mediocre starter and the weakest link, places more pressure on Pettitte, Wang, Clemens and Hughes. I.e., we’re one injury from having big time trouble.
The offense will get the job done with the great bats, but to get into the playoffs and succeed, you need excellent pitching and I’m wondering if we have even that.
Yeah, Moose has never pitched in a big game. Who pitched those scoreless innings in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS? Wasn’t Roger Clemens.
I didn’t mean to be sarcastic, by the way, seriously. I just reread that. I apologize, but the sentiment stands.
Carmine: I don’t take away anything from a man’s (Mussina) career. I’ve always rooted for Mussina and still do. I just can’t continue living in the past. Baseball is a business and is performance based. If Mussina isn’t doing the job now, then there comes the time you need to find someone else that can.
Would pitching Kennedy for 1 start be any worse than tonight? I’d like to see if he could?
The opportunity to make the playoffs this season is a gift considering this team was so out of it 2 months ago, few thought we’d be this close to a playoff spot at this time. I think the reason is better is that management is taking some risks in bringing up young players and letting them contribute. Along with a trade and releasing low production players.
Mussina could help the team out of the bullpen. Right now, who do we have that is a “long reliever”? I can’t think of anyone. What’s the impact? Torre uses 3-5 pitchers in games and burns out the pen.
Mussina can’t be any worse than Villone. And maybe Kennedy could be another gem and provide another valuable arm. Why not? I believe the Yankees are a much better team now because they have brought up youth and energy to the team. This is the right direction.
Oh no, I agree with you entirely. Mussina’s been very ineffective. I was mostly getting on people who were dismissing what he’s done entirely just because of what he’s done lately. He was at, one time, a great pitcher. That shouldn’t affect at all the way we treat things now, but that should definitely affect his legacy overall.
I’d love to see what Kennedy has on the major league level if they don’t think he’s being rushed. This is his first year on the pro level. I think they should probably wait until September call-ups, if anything, and see what he’s got in a spot start. But again, there’s no need to rush him. The difference between Joba and Kennedy is Joba throws 100 mph and compliments it with a slider, so he can fool hitters for a while. I don’t know that Kennedy will necessarily be able to do that right away, but I definitely would not be against seeing him this year. Just wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t.
the reason moose starts monday is because sept. 1st is rapidly approaching and the rosters expand. it would make no sense to lose a year of eligibility vis-a-vis arbitration for kennedy to have one start in the majors when they can simply wait for the rosters to expand.
Right, if not for the Joba Rules, Joba would’ve pitched Monday…
…for his 10th appearance in 14 days as a reward for being in Joe’s “Circle of Trust”…
…and proceed to probably walk a couple, give up a couple hits…as his fastball dips 4/5mph and control suffers due a tired arm…
…then the Joba Rule defiers would be quiet while Everyday Jobbie suffers…
…while the rest cry for Joe’s head as another promising young arm comes to ruin a la Prior and Kerry Wood…
Me, as a Yankee fan I’ll just thank heaven–actually, thank the front office, for the Joba rules to protect a young arm from Joe…at best it’s preserving his health, at worst it’s at least keeping Joba effective.