Into the lair of Scott Boras
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Check out this story on the snazzy office of Scott Boras. It’s only a short distance from here. Boras has season tickets for Angels games.
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Peter Abraham
Is Scott Boras a much beloved Agent or is he generally hated by the masses?
Bob – Just my guess – the answer is “yes”
His clients generally love him. Guys like Peter Angelos hate him – but even Angelos has learned that you have to deal with Boras at some point.
Judging from the palatial digs, I don’t think the masses see much of Scott
Pete – I get to spend a week in San Diego – heading out very shortly.
If you get a few moments, you might want to check out Dana Point or Laguna. Looks like there’s the typical perfect weather for the next few days.
Funniest thing to me are still the water temps. It’s 55 off Monterey, so it’s just like swimming off Olgunquit or Kennebunkport.
Who cares about an agent?
Its his job to get the bets deal he can for his clients.
Not to make friends with fans.
“Running with the Devil” should be playing on a 24 hour loop in his office.
Man, that’s like the baseball version of the Playboy Mansion. If I was a player, I’d sign with him just to hang out there.
My guess is people like Drew wouldn’t be saying that if he was their agent.
You do realize it is the player who dictates what he wants and where he wants to go. It’s their decision in the end.
Boras doesn’t put a gun to any player or GM’s head.
I don’t get the knocks on Boras either. He is dedicated to his clients, works hard, and gets results. Why does being good at his job make him evil?
Great office, very nice perks… I wonder if he’s opening up a NY office?!
It looks like the Twins will deal Santana in the offseason.
Heres a question, would you be willing to give up Phil Hughes, Jose Tabata, and another for a deal with Santana?
Assuming he signs an extension of course.
I would do it in a heartbeat.
“My guess is people like Drew wouldn’t be saying that if he was their agent.”
Not true..Boras is very controlling of his clients. 99.9% of the time they go for the top money, not necessarily their 1st choice of places to go.
“Heres a question, would you be willing to give up Phil Hughes, Jose Tabata, and another for a deal with Santana?
Assuming he signs an extension of course.
I would do it in a heartbeat.”
Absolutely.
place sounds nice. needs more pictures though. and keep jeff musselman away from the bar.
no to the hughes deal. the yanks would regret it in three years when santana quickly declines and hughes wins the cy young.
“no to the hughes deal. the yanks would regret it in three years when santana quickly declines and hughes wins the cy young.”
You’re making some awfully big assumptions.
I wouldn’t trade for Santana. You can probably sign him when he becomes a free agent. Also, I don’t think he’ll be available. Also, investing $100+ million in a pitcher isn’t a good idea, IMO. Too many things can derailed that deal if made. Then you’ll be on the hook for the rest of the deal if he can’t play up to his contract. I do think Joe Nathan will be available and I’d definitely trade for him.
For those of you who insist that the Yanks need to sign Santana and invest 100-200 million in one starting pitcher, two words:
Kevin Brown
Why pay twice for a player? You can get Santana in the 08 offseason for money and draft picks. I wouldn’t give up any prospects for him. Plus in 2008 CC Sabathia is FA as well, so the Yanks will have options.
Jake Peavey is also a FA, along with the oft injured but very talented Ben Sheets. So the Yanks should definitely sign a big time pitcher in the 08 offseason. As they should, IMO. That way you can go into ‘09 with Hughes, Chamberlain, Wang, Kennedy/Horne, Big time FA signing…looks good to me.
The Yankees have a lot of unproven yet talented arms in the pipeline and signing one of those guys may be more of a luxury than a necessity. I personally would like to see them continue to be more agressive in the draft and overseas rather than spend 100mil+ on a free agent. Especially not the oft-injured Ben Sheets or the overweight CC Sabathia (see Colon, Bartolo) Just IMO
So, who would ya’ll sign??
Calling Santana a Kevin Brown is ridiculous and downright silly.
Lefty, winner, no injuries, great in clubhouse
How is that Kevin Brown?
I would not trade hughes, chamberlin for any pitcher..
santana is the best pitcher in the game is 29, and has been throwing 200 innings for 5 yrs… he may last 10 more yrs or be done in 2….
I sign position players to long term deals only….
hughes just turned 21 a month ago. his texas start he was 20…. the Yankees are not trading any of there young mega studs….
How is it overpaying when that is the market rate for great SP’s now???
I’m sorry but paying for great pitching now costs you.
Not true..Boras is very controlling of his clients. 99.9% of the time they go for the top money, not necessarily their 1st choice of places to go.
But the player is the one that has to sign the contract, if Drew, Damon, A-Rod, Magglio whoever said I want to play in SF no matter what. What is Boras going to do? Work his a$$ to try and make it happen. He’s not going to throw away that potential income because the player doesn’t want to go where Boras wants them to go. It just so happens that most (not all players and not always) find it hard to turn the the big bucks!
Thanks Stuart for the “expert” analysis.
If you really think every pitcher may be done in 2 yrs how are you ever going to find pitching????
Wouldn’t taking the BEST PITCHER IN THE GAME relieve any worries????
Don’t fall in love with B level prospects.
the market rate is overpaying if you can grow your own. pitching is so unpredictable. plus we have the added “can they handle NY?” question most other teams don’t have to think much about.
What percent does the agent get??
“Boras is very controlling of his clients. 99.9% of the time they go for the top money, not necessarily their 1st choice of places to go.”
Another ridiculous statement here.
The player dictates what he wants. In every case!
If he wants the money, Boras gets him the money.
If he wants to play in a particular city, Boras gets that done.
The agent is exactly that. An agent of the client.
You don’t think that Santana can handle NY???
Wow.
This team spent 10 mil a yr on Pavano, 5 on Igawa, and they’re going to be gunshy about the top guy in the game???
Yeah right.
Consider me a fan of having Santana in game 1 of any series. I don’t care what they pay because they obviously can afford it.
lair is the right word peter.
Satan has a nice looking place IMO
Boras gets his players what they want. Yes, 99.9% of the time his clients go to the team that offers the most money. But, that’s because players who want the most money know that there’s no better agent to do that for them than Scott Boras. Because of his specific skills, players who want the most money will go to him. He doesn’t go against his players’ wishes.
Thanks for stealing my handle bro.
I don’t see how anyone could argue against going after Santana.
After years of not having anything like a true ace.
It’s not like he’s 35 here either.
why are there sixteen “greg”’s on here?
years of no true ace? did you see the numbers wang put up last year?
If you can trade for Johan Santana, with a new contract in place, you trade Phil Hughes. That’s a no brainer.
One guy IS a great pitcher. The other MIGHT be. Big difference.
Santana=Kevin Brown? Please. Santana has no history of injury, and is a fastball, changeup pitcher. That means, less strain on his arm.
Kevin Brown had the back of a 70 year old at 28 years old. There is no comparison.
I like the Yankees young pitching prospects as much as the next guy. But, I’m not blinding by them.
In the hypothetical example, if you can trade Hughes and get Santana, you do that deal immediately, before the Twins change their minds.
i agree, not sure how someone could argue that we didn’t have an ace last year. true he may be going through a rough patch here but still, 14 wins
I have no problem with Boras or his lair. To quote Gordon Gekko:
“The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed — for lack of a better word — is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms — greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed — you mark my words — will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.”
wow sj, giving up hughes huh? isn’t this the same talk of the “old” cashman, mortgaging the future. i agree santana isn’t a kevin brown or an old timer in general but i don’t see cash making that trade
murph dog, did you have to google that one? or did you memorize that quote on your own, dashes and everything? amazing, i thought i was good with movie lines
Pete most of the high power lawyers and high power sport agents offices are in Newport Beach, CA. Most agents are attorneys. This is why they can make good deals for their clients. Every agent tries to get their clients to buy real estate out in the west coast as a second home for investments and to be closer to their offices. He’s just one of the few that are here. Jim Rome is also out in Newport Beach too. No big deal out this way
Johan Santana is 29 years old. He’s the best pitcher in baseball. He’s not some “old man” and its not ditching any youth movement.
Since when are the Yankees turning away the best pitcher in the game for a kid with 6 starts? When did they become the Devil Rays with this youth movement?
I don’t trade Chamberlain for him. But, Hughes? Come on, nothing against Hughes, but its Johan Santana, not just any run of the mill guy.
The higher cost of attending Baseball games at the major league level can be traced to Boras.. He`s not what you would call fan friendly
Don’t mind Jessie guys, he just came off the set of “Laguna Beach” to check out what the blogs have to say, no pictures please.
On Santana, not on my team, the Yankee philosophy is headed in the right direction, DEVELOP THEIR OWN STARS.
The STEINGRABBER era is coming to an end.
Let the Mets have Santana
SJ, you are on the money. I’d do that trade in a minute and Minny would too.
How is the higher cost of attending games on Scott Boras?
You don’t buy the wives tail that higher salaries drive ticket prices do you?
Its supply and demand, not higher salaries, that drive ticket prices.
Ticket prices among many teams in baseball rise beyond the average of any payroll increases on an annual basis.
The Tampa Bay Devil Rays have a 24 million dollar payroll, the lowest in baseball. Yet, their field box prices are among the upper half of the league? How do player salaries affect those prices?
The Florida Marlins? They announced the highest ticket price increases in their history last year. They actually dropped their payroll for this season.
Ticket and concession prices have nothing to do with player payroll. It has to do with how much owners can squeeze out of the marketplace. If the fans couldn’t afford it, they wouldn’t be setting record attendance every year.
So, since we now want the Yankees to “develop their own”, I guess that means we need to let Arod go after the season.
I don’t think he classifies as “one of our own”, does he?
As long as the Yankees have been the Yankees, they have succeed by MIXING the right free agents with the right homegrown prospects. When they have gone too far in one direction (their “prospects” in the 60’s and early 70’s or being too free agent heavy in the 80’s), that’s when they suffered their droughts.
Sorry but, you don’t pass on Johan Santana. No way.
I love Phil Hughes as much as the next guy. But, under the hypothetical proposed in the thread, if you can trade him for Santana, you do it without giving it a second thought.
The higher cost of attending Baseball games at the major league level can be traced to Boras.. He`s not what you would call fan friendly
LOL If you’re going to include Boras in the group then why not the owners, they are ones who make the biggest profit and they are the ones who agree to the contracts!
I don’t think Hughes is a run of the mill guy (which you implied) and with the way Cash has been handling things I do not see him giving him up. we all have our opinions sj. and now you are just going overboard. yes lets let everyone go that is home grown. we will have 13 guys on the field, we can just find somebody to fill in the holes.
Who is saying Hughes is “run of the mill”? Not me.
This is Johan Santana. This is not just some nobody. Getting traded for Johan Santana is a testimony to just how good Hughes is/can be. Its not a slap in the face.
Johan Santana is a better pitcher than Phil Hughes. If he stays healthy, he will be for the next 3-4 years.
This isn’t some guy with an injury history who isn’t a competitor. This is the best pitcher in baseball.
I don’t care what Cash is trying to do, Imagine a 2008 Yankee rotation consisting of:
Santana
Wang
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Clemens (you know he’s coming back)
You don’t think that’s scary?
I have never said Phil Hughes is “run of the mill”. He ain’t Johan Santana and none of us know if he will ever be.
MLB is littered with plenty of great, young arms who have never lived up to the hype. Johan Santana lives up to the hype. I prefer sure things, if given the opportunity to acquire them.
greg s:
I am not ashamed to admit that I Google regularly.
Also, sending Hughes and Tabata to Minny for Santana is a better deal for the Yankees this off season, than making a similar trade to get Teixeira would have been this year. Why? Because the ‘07 Yankees don’t need a 1st baseman as much as the ‘08 and ‘09 Yankees will need a great, established starting pitcher.
The ‘08 rotation looks shaky at best. Will Pettitte be back? There will be no Rocket (at least not until June or July). Will Mussina get velocity back? What about Wang’s latest troubles? Has the league figured him out? Can he adjust? Joba, fine as he is, might not be rotation ready out of Spring Training ‘08 due to the safe growth curve of building up innings. Ditto Kennedy, Horne, Marquez, etc.
Even when young pitchers safely build up arm strength and innings, it’s often one step forward, two steps back in the results in the first year in The Show. So, getting the “best pitcher in baseball” when you need him most, to shore up a potentially shaky ‘08 (and ‘09) rotation, is an excellent use of Hughes and Tabata IMO. There will be a real need for consistency in the rotation and adding a proven lefty for an unproven righty will always make sense at Yankee Stadium. (The new one will have the same short porch in right).
So, adding Santana would be a pretty good thing. Making the trade and then extending his contract would be outstanding. I think Minnesota would take that deal. Damn the luxury tax. Plenty of money comes off the books in ‘09.
Great post murph.
If they could trade for Santana, and not have to get in an off-season (‘08) bidding war for him, that would be the best way to go.
If he was 34, I’d pass. At 29? You make that trade and never look back.
Both Jeter and AROD and some other players asking fee is $50,000+ more for a personal appearance or speaking engagement. So when you see Jeter speaking or making an appearance this is his starting fee. Nothing less. Even making appearance for charity comes with a price. This does not include the hotel feel, transportation, food and whatever things he can ask for. Agents sets it up with the agency who supplies celebrities for personal appearances. The highest is $50,000+
The way to build a baseball team, that is cost effective is to produce a steady stream of young player`s . Let` Start with pitching and more pitching, strong arms , RIGHT & LEFT, , produce a surplus and trade for possible gems thru astute scouting.The Yankees are now scouting the Indie`s and picking up some young arms not just as fillers but with some upside.On the int`l side all the teams are looking to the Domenican, not that they are any better then stateside talent but the fact that they are more affordable Most of those guy`s from the Island stink but they play, play for lack of any other opportunties. Signing pitcher`s to multi year large contracts is sheer folly, their are exceptions of course, i bet the same guy`s who want the Yanks to acquire Santana are the same guy`s who were screaming and ranting about Dontrelle. Develop your own pitchers and watch them develop into stars. Keep your Pavano`s, Igawa`s and Wrights, I`ll take the Whitey Ford`s and Ron Guidry`s.
“I don’t trade Chamberlain for him. But, Hughes? Come on, nothing against Hughes, but its Johan Santana, not just any run of the mill guy.”
I would trade Chamberlain for Santana in a heartbeat. So would you even if you don’t admit it now. Chamberlain has the tools to succeed, Santana has set the absolute highest standard any pitcher could dream of accomplishing. As Yankee fans we tend to get spoiled because we can simply throw money at a Santana and keep both. That is really the only reason why this kind of trade makes no sense. If you could pick one of these guys for the next 5-7 years, you would be crazy to gamble on Chamberlain with the absolute best pitcher over the past 6+ years on the block.
Santana has been the single most dominant pitcher in baseball for several years now. He has many more with a proven extended track record. Chamberlain could only hope to be a fraction of that. He may, he may not.
The only thing to consider in that trade is Santana’s age. If Chamberlain becomes half as good, we will have done well developing this kid. All of that is speculation at this point as Chamberlain has accomplished absolutely nothing in the bigz thus far save a couple of nice outings from the pen.
BJ
Big Johnson, Glad your not the Yankees GM, you could eaily trade us into the cellar.
“If they could trade for Santana, and not have to get in an off-season (‘08) bidding war for him, that would be the best way to go.”
Horrible way to go. Why are you so concerned with spending George’s money. Wait the one lousy year and you get to keep both Hughes and Santana! It’s not like the Yanks hesitate to spend money because their payroll is so high! And as you said in another post, my tickets (which are comped anyway) aren’t going up in price because of a higher salary. Your trade basically sends a legitimate Ace to contender to save one lousy year of waiting and ARGUABLY a couple of million dollars. Who cares about the money. With Hughes, Chamberlain, and Santana in our future rotation we could potentially dominate the league for years.
BJ
“Big Johnson, Glad your not the Yankees GM, you could eaily trade us into the cellar.”
Bob, its common for posters on this board to buy into the rampant Chamberlain hype. He will likely be a terrific starter, but thinking he will become the next Santana is a bit of a prayer at this point.
There isn’t a single guy in this league I wouldn’t trade heads up for Santana, even at age 29. You are kidding yourself if you think Cashman wouldn’t either.
If you think otherwise I would propose you are getting tainted by the home grown hype that pervades this board. Santana is a guy you dream of having once in 50 years.
The reason it wont ever happen (and I wont do it either) is because next year is Santana’s walk year. We will get him for mere dollars on the penny. If both of these guys were signed for the next 10 years, you make that trade in an instant without looking back. I will even throw in Farnsworth.
BJ
I sat next to him at an Angels game 4 years ago. I was in the same dugout suite area. If you watch Angels games and see some dude standing right behind home plate at dugout level on a cell phone its Boras.
Big Johnson I understand your point and it is well rec`d. The Yankee system has a surplus of Right handed arms with a ton of potential, i prefer to sit back and wait till the teams get me (YANKEES )involved I know Santana can deliver the goods , this year his WL record has not been up to his previous years, one man does not make a TEAM.