America’s team? Depends on your view
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USA Today put a story on its front page today proclaiming the Red Sox as having displaced the Yankees as America’s team.
This is based on the Red Sox playing to the largest average crowds on the road.
Well … it depends how you look at it. The Red Sox have averaged 38,802 fans for road games. The Yankees have averaged 37,906. I’m not quite sure 896 people means one team is more popular than the other in the entire nation.
It’s also worth noting that when the Yankees play on the road, they fill 84 percent of the seats and the Red Sox 82 percent.
USA Today also failed to take into account that when the Red Sox play in New York, they’re playing in front of crowds of 55,000. When the Yankees play in Boston, they play before 36,000. So the Red Sox benefit in that exchange.
I suspect that by the end of the season, the numbers will be even. The Mets and Cubs are pretty close, too.
Besides, anybody with any common sense knows that the mighty New England Patriots are America’s team.
UPDATE, 10:42 p.m.: This guy Rob did the math and proved my point. Good job.
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I cant wait to see Moss blow up the Pats this year
Aren’t the Devil Rays America’s team?
Isn’t that why Schilling wants to play there next yr???
Saw that headline on my way out of the hotel this morning, what morons……..
You’re right, Pete. It’s a logical fallacy since they don’t take all the facts into consideration. That’s skewing results to fit an agenda.
Boston can be king of the road -kill-.
Does their study also take into account that most teams charge a “surcharge” when the Yankees come to town? Do those same teams charge more to watch Boston? I’ve gone to the Jake and always had to pay about $7 more per ticket because I was watching my beloved Yankees. Damned Indians.
Please, let them be America’s team. They can have America. I much rather all those fair weather frat boys who buy weathered Red Sox caps to look cool stay with the Red Sox.
There’s an entire generation of faux Red Sox fans that are attracted to the whole dirtbag image, ironically kick started by Damon and his caveman look.
Younger people love the fact these guys look like slobs. They’ve turned into the Raiders of baseball.
Let America have them. I’d rather be in the minority when I wear my Yankee cap than the majority.
Let the fair weather “idiots” go root for Boston and their rich winning history and pretend they all live and die with the Sawx. I hear they’re wicked good this year and Beckett’s throws wicked fast and the MFY’s don’t stand a chance.
Pete – good job finding the BS in USA today’s analysis. They did an apples to oranges comparison — and then the results are not statisticaally significant. One would need to look at the same venues and compare side by side. Also, you’d need to take into account other factors such as weather, weekdays vs. weekends, promotional days.
Finally, did the article look at other factors such as TV ratings and merchandise sales? That would give you a better feel on who is the most popular team in America.
A difference of 896 people per game using junk science for a countyr of 200+ million is not only statistically insignificant — it is stupid.
Pete, I guess you went to stats class in journalism school while your colleague at the
USA today skipped statistics class.
I swear, the same fools that I work with ( I live in Mass.) must write for USA Today.
Pete, thanks for making the same argument that I’ve been making for the last few years. Now that the Red Sox “Nation” has expanded in proportion to their winning percentage, they draw large crowds on the road. To say that there’s a difference in road attendance of a few hundred and yet discount the fact that the 9 games the Yankees play in the Fenway bandbox translates to a difference of 180,000 is silly, if not downright deceitful.
The competition between the Yankees and Red Sox is great for baseball. The fact is,both teams being so prominent helps the cash flow of every team they visit. Last night the Red Sox drew a whopping 16,000 in St Petersburg. Just think how many the Devil Rays would have drawn if they were playing anyone other than the Yankees or Red Sox.
I hate the Red Sox and I hate the Patriots…the Celtics too. I hope all their fans die slow painfula deaths!
if the red-sox are now america’s team, the terrorists have won
The New York Knights will always be America’s team and Roy Hobbs the most legendary baseball player of all.
_USA Today also failed to take into account that when the Red Sox play in New York, they’re playing in front of crowds of 55,000. When the Yankees play in Boston, they play before 36,000. So the Red Sox benefit in that exchange._
The same difference was there last year as well but the Yankees were ist. But this year they were not. So, things are changing even if the Sox r averaging only 896 more for all the road games. Also take into account that Sox were behind last year.
Hate the Sox, love the Pats.
based on road attendence? bogus logic when you consider they don’t play at fenway ‘on the road’
Wait. The mainstream media misrepresents something and presents it as fact???
No way!
Name me one rapper who wears a Sox hat.
They all wear yanks hats.
We got hip hop on our side.
Just another example of the vast, anti-Yankee conspiracy at work.
NYY,
Thanks for making my point. There isn’t a bigger collection of bandwagon jumpers on the face of this planet than the so called “Nation”.
The Yanks haven’t won in 6 years. If the Red Sox don’t win soon you will see the “Nation” go back to being a Village again. Heck, the Red Sox recently lost a popularity poll in neighboring Connecticut to the Yankees.
The New York Yankees are the face of major league baseball worldwide. The Boston Red Sox are only pretenders.
I think u mean the mighty J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
Even Nicholson refused to wear a Red Sox cap in the Departed. Didn’t he don a Yankee cap instead?
The New York Knicks are Americas team
i thought america’s team was team usa ( olympics , wbc ect… ) . i find proclaiming your team is ” america’s team ” quite ridiculous . something i have no trouble believing any red sox fan would claim .
Expos 4EvAr!!!11oneoneoneeleventy
Ask the people around the country what team they hate most.
That is a sign that we are America’s team.
They only hate the best.
_Even Nicholson refused to wear a Red Sox cap in the Departed. Didn’t he don a Yankee cap instead?_
That was bcoz he is a HUGE LA LAkers fan and Lakers & Boston Celtics had that huge rivalry going on in the 80s(Bird, Magic…etc).
Sheffeild is out indefinetly with a sore sholder. The yanks are so lucky….4 game sweep sweeep sweeep.
haha Curtis struuuck out swinging
Saucy, your first post (terrorists) – that’s downright funny!
Thanks for the “fact”-checking, Pete! I knew that report sounded fishy.
I thought “America’s team” was the Dallas Cowboys? I dunno about that article, I would say the New York Yankees baseball wise is the most famous team in the world.
Zumaya is up to 20 pitches so far today. Hopefully he stays in for awhile and can’t pitch tomorrow. If only they had Zumaya rules in place last year, he may have avoided his long trip on the DL this year.
funny line Saucy.
The Denver Broncos are America’s Team.
And Pete, don’t forget if Yankee Stadium only seated 36000 then a lot more of us Yankee fans would be forced to go see them on the road. If Fenway seated 55000 I doubt that every game would sell out – so not nearly as many Sox fans would have to travel to see their team.
Not that it matters… this just means I hate both of America’s Teams.
NYY
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Even Nicholson refused to wear a Red Sox cap in the Departed. Didn’t he don a Yankee cap instead?
That was bcoz he is a HUGE LA LAkers fan and Lakers & Boston Celtics had that huge rivalry going on in the 80s(Bird, Magic…etc).
Actually Jack is a HUGE Yankee fan.
Pete, say hi to Rudy for me.
http://tinyurl.com/24s62c
According to reports, Michael & Marian Ilitch and Michael J. Malik, Sr. are hosting a pricey fundraiser for Giuliani, a Republican candidate in the race for president, next Monday in Detroit.
The venue? Comerica Park, where the New York Yankees are slated to play the Ilitch’s team, the Detroit Tigers.
27 pitches for Zumaya with 2 outs.
NYY,
And my favorite NBA team are the Lakers, so by default I despise the 80’s Celtics. The last 20 years they weren’t even on the map. Now they got some talent, The Celtics will be on may hate radar again.
Someone’s got to win this DET/CLE game right? It’s like watching an IV drip.
Wait, Kenny Lofton with an RBI single.
zumaya 3 run tenth
stay ineffective zumaya, stay ineffective!
Oh, boy. The wheels came off that bus really fast. 3-0 Indians.
Zumaya’s arm just fell off.
Zumaya is out after 30 ineffective pitches and probably a loss. No way he is available tomorrow.
By the way, the Boston Globe ran an identical story today, also on their front page. But of course, since they co-own the Red Sox, it’s basically just an advertisement:
http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._faithful/
the harlem globetrotters are america’s team, hands down.
Anyone got some thread to sew my arm back on?
If it’s gay, silly, boring, non-trendy, and out of touch with reality, it’s Boston.
Forever behind the times….
my dog enjoys it a lot when i scratch his haunches. he moans. and kicks. and groans.
it’s the spot where his tail meets his rump.
he loves it.
What does America know? They voted for Bush.
——Please, let them be America’s team. They can have America. I much rather all those fair weather frat boys who buy weathered Red Sox caps to look cool stay with the Red Sox. ——
Amen to that.
You watch games at Fenway and it’s a bunch of yuppies and spoiled rich kids. I think the dress code for Red Sox fans at Fenway Park is: Khakis, Polo Shirt(may be substituted for whatever gimmicky Red Sox shirt is hot right now), and a faded Red Sox cap.
They’re all a bunch of sheep and tools.
Joe Borowski’s awesome. Lights out.
I think this post would be an appropriate time to link to this :
http://viewfromthebleachers.com/?itemid=2522
Magglio Ordonez disgusts me.
I think if you’re a young-ish Caucasian male in America right now, the uniform seems to start with a weathered Red Sox cap and one (or several) of those beaded necklaces. They all want to look like Timlin.
I just got back from a Carribean cruise and my wife and I thought it was attack of the clones when we ran into other American’s who all looked like that. They also all seem to drink Miller Light. I thought they drank Sam Adams?
The Yanks not only have hip hop on their side, they have style and panache. You think Youkilis owns a suit? If he does, I guarantee you he wears white athletic sox with his only pair of dress shoes his mother bought him for his high school graduation.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Red Sox keep a pail of dirt in the locker room to rub into their uniforms for effect. Their pre-game ritual is to chew tobacco and the spit on one another so they look hard core.
If NYC declared war on Boston, I’d deliver the bomb.
Interesting and entertaining reading all the posts about the “America’s Team” article. It honestly does not make a bit of difference to me who is considered America’s team. We all know that when both the Sox and the Yankees play in opposing parks that they draw a lot of fans and sometimes there are more people cheering in those away games for either the Sox or the Yankees. I’m just looking forward to about six more weeks of exciting baseball where both the Sox and Yankees battle for the division title right down to the end of the regular season.
Pete,
Here is a rumor for you to track down.
Rumors are fast and furious the Yankees are about to sign Edward Salcedo to a record deal.
Salcedo is from the DR. He just turned 16 years old, is a 6-3, 180 SS. He is considered one of the most talented players to hit the undrafted market in recent years.
If he was eligible for this year’s draft, he would have been a first round pick. Perhaps, even a Top Ten pick. He is a premier talent.
He is a Scott Boras client, his first among this type of FA. He usually waits until these kids develop before he looks to sign them. Its telling that he jumped on this kid this early in his development, although he has had scouts in the DR a lot, looking for talent the past 12-18 months.
The rumored deal is for a $4.5 million dollar bonus. If true, it would be the largest bonus ever given to an undrafted Latin American FA. The previous record was 2.5 for Wily Mo Pena. Ironically, it was the Yankees who made that deal.
When you get to Detroit, is it possible to get any confirmation from Cashman re: this rumor?
If true, it would be a significant signing for the Yankees in this marketplace.
Speaking of bandwagon.
I know a lot of people in CT who are *gasp* METS fans…
Joe L – that’s what’s known as a “salvo” and i must say it was quite stirring. fortunately joba will deliver the bomb, so save your nukes for another day.
frits—nice shirt!
Pffft. Everyone knows Arsenal Football Club is Americas favorite team.
Who really cares, the only thing that will matter is when the Bombers sweep the three game series at the Stadium
“They’re loud, they’re drunk, they’re obnoxious. They’re one of the few places you’ll hear racial comments. It’s just different. ”
this was gary matthews jr. of the angels speaking about red sox fans at fenway park a week ago. red sox nation is still predominately a white fanbase. you can see it clearly when you scan the crowds on tv. the media can spin it anyway it wants, but red sox nation is not the face of america.
Poor Pete, looks like his flight was delayed again!!
When I was down in Baltimore I was talking to a bartender about the difference between Yankee fans and Sox fans. He told me sox fans are ruder (sp) and more demanding. They don’t like when soxs fans go down there.
SJ,
Saw that as well…4.5 mil is a lot to pony up for a guy who just turned 16…it would also be the largest bonus ever given to a IFA signing(willy mo got 3.5).
let me clarify…it would be the largest bonus the Yanks have ever given to a IFA..not the largest bonus ever.
“He is a Scott Boras client, his first among this type of FA. He usually waits until these kids develop before he looks to sign them. Its telling that he jumped on this kid this early in his development, although he has had scouts in the DR a lot, looking for talent the past 12-18 months.”
oh, please let this be true.
teams are starting to figure out that the economics of deals like this STILL make more sense than signing players on the free agent market.
people who love to complain about Cashman cannot deny how great he has been at making moves and spending big bucks to laod the farm system with elite talent.
the more players like this you have on your roster, the easier it is to make a splash when someone like Alex Rodriguez becomes available.
great news if true.
Does anyone know who this guy is being compared to? For that much money he must have oppened some eyes.
SJ44
On Salcedo, go to prospect insider. com Three teams were in the running. Boras was asking for 5 million. If the Bombers offered 4.5 million they got him.
What a pointless, joke of an article. On the other hand, the concept of one team actually being “Amercia’s team” is ridiculous. It’s a stupid idea perpetrated by some idiot that made a Dallas Cowgirls video or something.
Lets see what “America” thinks when the Sox are in second place come October.
Salcedo? Kid’s big and strong already, throws the ball low to mid 90’s. Holy cow!! If he keeps on growing, can you say potential RF?
Ok, thanks Bob. His comparison is to Arod. But, I ain’t buyin’ that until I see the kid.
I saw Arod at 16 years old and he was the best baseball I have ever seen at that age. He was a man among boys at 16.
If this kid is even close to that, the Yankees got a gem.
To demonstrate Cashman’s effectiveness in this marketplace, all you have to do is look at the Yankees Gulf Coast League team this year. They have dominated that league and its loaded with Latin American kids. That’s not even counting kids like DeLeon, who signed this year.
Hmmm is exactly right. They can afford to sign Arod to a huge deal and re-up Mo and Posada, as long as they continue to develop and sign these type of young, talented players.
Its the two pronged strategy most people in baseball always feared. They can cherry pick the ML free agents they want (like Santana, after ‘08), yet use their financial power to sign and develop young players like Hughes, Chamberlain, Brackman, Angelini, Kennedy, Montero, etc.
Its called being a real baseball organization. To that end, Cashman deserves his props.
If this guy is at 190 at 16 is it possible that they are planning on putting him in the outfield,seeing that he hasnt filled out yet?
I was reading prospect insider and it said that we got the top international player last year. He’s a catcher. Who was the guy and how is he doing in the minors?
The No. 1 shirt for the No. 1 joke of a team ….
http://vintagecotton.com/shirt....._sux_/male
Specially made for Sillytown, USA.
no offense pete, but I detect a slight sense of eddie haskell in this post and yesterday’s before the game started. i have to remember that you are a redsox fan — and that in itself is *frightening.*
“I think if you’re a young-ish Caucasian male in America right now, the uniform seems to start with a weathered Red Sox cap and one (or several) of those beaded necklaces. They all want to look like Timlin.
I just got back from a Carribean cruise and my wife and I thought it was attack of the clones when we ran into other American’s who all looked like that. They also all seem to drink Miller Light. I thought they drank Sam Adams?
The Yanks not only have hip hop on their side, they have style and panache. You think Youkilis owns a suit? If he does, I guarantee you he wears white athletic sox with his only pair of dress shoes his mother bought him for his high school graduation.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Red Sox keep a pail of dirt in the locker room to rub into their uniforms for effect. Their pre-game ritual is to chew tobacco and the spit on one another so they look hard core.
If NYC declared war on Boston, I’d deliver the bomb”.
Bravo, Joe.L
SJ44
Yes the Gulf Coast Yankees have some talent, check out the two Domenican teams as well.Not everyone is a future major leaguer but nothing wrong with playing the numbers game. i like Cashmans development plan. I think he has the backing of Cashmans sons. George never had the patience with the young kids. i remember when he wanted to trade Ron Guidry.
Lifelong New York Yankees fan Jack Nicholson refused to wear a baseball cap sporting the badge of his team’s rivals for his role as a Boston, Massachusetts, gangster in new movie The Departed.
Director Martin Scorsese suggested the movie legend wear a Boston Red Sox cap for one pivotal scene, but backed down when New Yorker Nicholson insisted he wouldn’t wear the head gear out of loyalty to the Yankees.
Instead, the star dons a Yankees cap in the scene, according to magazine Sports Illustrated.
Link: http://tinyurl.com/z8gja
Pete is a RedSox fan? Is that true?
“I was reading prospect insider and it said that we got the top international player last year. He’s a catcher. Who was the guy and how is he doing in the minors?”
Jesus Montero.
scouts think he’ll be way too big to stay at catcher but he is supposed to have trememdous power potential.
he had some minor injuries early in the season, but now he is doing ok.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=524968
Jesus Montero is with the Gulf Coast Yankees.
Here is some more analysis of the story with more numbers for those of you into that kind of thing. Apologies if you’ve seen this already.
http://www.replacementlevel.com/
Before another person rips Red Sox fans for their attire, maybe someone can explain the thousands of Yankees jerseys and t-shirts I see with the No. 2 and then the word “Jeter” above it, like no one would no who No. 2 is.
it’ll be a cold day in hell when i pick up a copy of McNews and take anything they print seriously.
america’s team? whatever. i certainly see more pink red sox hats on sorrority girls than i used to. i guess that’s a plus for them or whatever.
when in cleveland, i think i saw one of the worst (home-made, i think) anti-yankee t-shirts:
“take your 26 rings and shove them up your ass”
i had to laugh at the guy as i walked by him.
“WAAA!” would have taken a lot less letters…
Would you bench or cut Moose, Henne or Villone for a chance to finish the year off with D.Wells?
Another thought would be to have Joba finish the year starting over Moose and we promote Britton to replace him.Supposidly he has a little over thirty innings left this year. Why not as a starter. Thoughts?
If you think Mussina’s numbers are bad, look at David Wells. And that’s in the NL…West…he’s not going to help us do anything, theoretically or realistically.
What will be remembered and repeated is the article’s statement that the Red Sox draw 1300 more people to road games than the Yankees. At the end of the article, they don’t repeat this number but give another group of related stats and the solid gold source :Elias Sports. The Yankees don’t host “writers’ series” at the stadium, have numerous fans in executive, on air, or contributing positions with ESPN/MLB where the money and fame are. If Hollywood movies, rock and roll associations, etc. have worked, fine. The Yankees remain the constant whipping post, being cast in some inferior way or other round the clock. I don’t accept this as part of being a Yankee fan, because it’s snowballing out of control.
Sweeney Murthi in his blog reports that Andrew Brackman is to have Tommy John Surgey, no date mentioned.
no, would i stick acid-soaked knives in my eyes to prevent seeing david wells in a yankees uniform ever again? maybe
from the article:
For much of this decade, that honor — and all the hype and scrutiny it brings — has gone to their archrival, the New York Yankees. But in two of the three seasons since the Red Sox ended an 86-year drought and won the World Series in 2004, the fan base known as Red Sox Nation has grown into its name: No one, including the hallowed Yankees, plays to bigger crowds on the road.
GOTTA LOVE FAIRWEATHER FANS! maybe i should just join RSN because they won the world series! sweet!
A-because that’s the tshirt they sell. You want people to go out and make their own tshirt?
Mussina being taken out of the rotation will not help. Kennedy is near his innings cap and Torre said Joba isn’t starting. Moose is better then or equal to Igawa, White, or Karstens.
Moose will only be taken out of Cashman has something up his sleeve, which he sometimes does!
I didn’t mean that to sound so definitive….I meant that to be more of an opinion thing
Are you nuts…I’m from Equator, seriously I don’t know any Red Sox fan here! Yanks many … if you could count only the internet fans like me…following every game and every stat available…
“America’s Team.” Eh, shmeh. I never thought of the Yankees as America’s team anyway, even though wherever you go Yankees fans seem to be there. And a lot of them.
I would chalk the presence of Red Sox fans in road ballparks as their finally feeling liberated by winning the WS in 2004. Plus, what’s the Matsuzaka quotient?
I agree with whoever it was above who said as long as the Yankees are the most-hated team, they are THE team, America’s or not. Anyway, The Yankees seem to be Universal in appeal. (At least Global)
On a side note, I HATE the ESPN promotional ad for October baseball that says something to the effect – for everyone who wants to see the Yankees beaten. Hello? I guess they really DON’T care about the huge Yankee-loving demographic that still tunes in in spite of the rhetoric.
I don’t know about “America’s Team,” but I’ll tell you that the Yankees are the most internationally recognized. As I’ve probably mentioned way too often for everyone’s comfort, I was recently in Paris, Nottingham and London. In all 3 cities (even little old Nottingham), I saw a LOT of people wearing Yankees paraphanalia. And not just hats—they had t-shirts, even one with Cano on the back. I did not see ONE Boston hat/shirt. It made me miss NY less
.
Did anyone see Richard Gere on David Letterman last night? He spent part of his interview saying that he is a huge Yankees fan and took his son to Cooperstown this summer for the HOF ceremonies and got to hug Whitey Ford. Just neat to see a big star who you never knew liked the Yankees is a huge fan.
If there’s a god, The white sox would sweep the Red sox.
America’s team? Sure. Whatever. As long as its not the Dallas effing Cowboys. Let them wear their artificially bleached hats and Black Dog shirts (from the cafe they never went to on Martha’s Vineyard) from today to tomorrow.
Look at it this way.
The White Sox are due for a good series and the Rangers are hot.
Who cares – a dumb article from USELESSA TODAY – and also Red Sox Nation is one of the dumbest phrases around.
The big reason that the Sawx draw alot on the road is that people can’t get tickets to Fenway….its tiny and full of season tix holder, not to mention a dump. So most fans need to see them elsewhere like Baltimore.
I was at the Anaheim game last night and I can tell you that probably 40% of the Stadium were Yankes fans. When the score got to 7-1, the Angels fans had long gone and the whole place was ours. We are everywhere.
Ask the average Red Sox fan on the street if they ever heard of Jim Lonborg or Dwight Evans and they’d say, ” Duh…um… I think those are guys on Saturday Night Live”.
It’s fashionable to be a Red Sox fan since 2004. The old monkey see – monkey do syndrome. ” Well uh … my neighbor / cousin / co-workers / car mechanic is a Sox fan so I’m a Sox fan”.
So, with the Sawx, Celts and Pats being America’s team in their selective league, where does that put the Bruins?
Answer- The cellar’s tem
Which team sells the most MLB merchandise?
I think that would decide who America’s baseball team is.
The everyday run-of-the-mill Red Sox fan …
http://img86.echo.cx/img86/2235/freckles7md.jpg
Yankee gear flies off shelves at the Jake.
http://www.thespread.com/ap-ne.....ndise.html
Watching NESN a couple of interesting tidbits.. They are playing up the USA article that the sux are americas team. peters 2 cents on this are very reasonable…
the yanks are 3 and 30, when scoring 3 or less runs by FAR the worse record of any contending teams. the angels i think won 12 games when scoring 3 or less…
the yankee record in 1 run games still stinks I think it is 11 and 26 or so..
the point is nothing e did not already know they pitching is avg at best and 2 or 3 guys in the pen just outright stink.
why not make another move in the pen???Losing villone or henn can only help!!!!!
there is more yankee gear sold then any other teams stuff by a ton and friggin ton.
I was having a reasonable conversationwith a guy next to me on the plane, until the topic turned to baseball. He was a Redsox fan and when I told him I was a Yankees fan he immediately got red in the face and said “Rooting for the Yankkes is like rooting for North Korea.” I responded:
1. That is insulting as I abhor communism and will stack my anit-totalitarian cred against anyone’s;
2. That is a horrible analogy since North Korea is a socialist dirt poor state that could never “win” anything. The Yankees, on the other hand are competitive, capitalist and successful while being hated for that very success by envious fans around the world. Kind of like America itself.
That’s why I read books on planes.
With headset on.
There’s something clinically wrong when the mere mention of a rival team causes an immediate, physical reaction like that.
Ugh, more Patriots touting.
Hey, I live in Boston. The whole city is pathological in that manner. It is a meanspirited, vitriolic fan culture. Once I took my kid to fenway park and on the way to my car a bosox fan gunned his engine when my 9 year-old was passing in front of it to make him think he was about to be run over. And that was on a day their effing team won. Thought it would get better after ‘04, but it has only gotten worse. Much worse.
THE RESULTS ARE IN !!!! …. the ratings now show that radio station WSUX is the most listened to station in Boston.
WSUX = WEEI
Isn’t there another team that now hates the Red Sox more than the Yankees now? I want to say it’s Baltimore. I think there’s some bad blood there. And if you want to know what Gary Matthews Jr. thinks about the difference between Boston fans and Yankee fans just do a quick search.
Da Yankees, Da Cubs, Da Bears, Da Steelers, Da Salukis, Da Irish….dees are Da teams of America !
Just talked to Brian Bruney and he has been called back up. He flew to Detroit this morning. No word on who was sent out. I didn’t ask.
This Year-
I went to graduate school in Boston, and we used to walk to Bosox games. A professor of mine never went to the games and would always give us his awesome season tix, right behind the Bosox dugout. I don’t recall the hostility being as bad back then even when I politely pulled for the Yankees (or whatever opposing theam there was). Maybe it was because they really sucked then, and the Yankees had not yet turned it around after the years of 1980s futility. This was the fall of 1993 and spring of 1994 (the dreaded lost year for us sporting a 7 game lead but even worse for the Expos). Or maybe it just because these field box seats attracted a more polite element.
I also remember riding Roger Clemens with some good-humored heckling as he strode toward ther dugout until he stared me right in the eye and sneered from about 10 feet away. I told my buddy “I guess you have to be careful down here because they can hear you”.
Brian Bruney up? I don’t mind him replacing Henn or Villone. BUT what about Britton. He has been far more effective than Bruney. This is utterly baffling. Henn and Villone should go; Britton and Bruney should come up. I know Henn is a lefty but he is not especially effective vs. left-handed batters and recently he has not been effective against anyone.
Anyone heard anything regarding Frankie Cervelli? He hasn’t been in the Tampa lineup for quite some time now.
“”Joe L August 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Please, let them be America’s team. They can have America. I much rather all those fair weather frat boys who buy weathered Red Sox caps to look cool stay with the Red Sox.
There’s an entire generation of faux Red Sox fans that are attracted to the whole dirtbag image, ironically kick started by Damon and his caveman look.
Younger people love the fact these guys look like slobs. They’ve turned into the Raiders of baseball.
Let America have them. I’d rather be in the minority when I wear my Yankee cap than the majority.
Let the fair weather “idiotsâ€? go root for Boston and their rich winning history and pretend they all live and die with the Sawx. I hear they’re wicked good this year and Beckett’s throws wicked fast and the MFY’s don’t stand a chance.”"
AMEN!!
I have not heard anything on Cervelli. It is ridiculous how the Yankees refuse to talk about injuries. When I get to a certain level of frustration, I email the folks at pinstripesplus.com who sometimes can tell you what is going on. It is a good site for minor league news generally. I check it out every day.
Francisco Cervelli hasn’t played since 8/9 and is listed on the 7-day DL. Injury not known.
Will likely be in Trenton in ‘08.
Yankees have hip hop on their side? You mean the music where women are routinely demonized as “bitches” and “‘hos”? I wouldn’t use that as supporting evidence anymore than soccer fans tell you how popular their sport is because Andres Escobar got murdered.
I saw an article in “Street and Smith’s Sports Business Journal” last year saying the Yankees sold 25% of mlb merchandise. No one else is in double figures.
Just heard Big Bad Brian Bruney was just recalled back to the MLB team. This news is both disturbing and outrageous on so many levels.
This is absolutely ridiculous that the organization continues to ignore the grand admirable Chris *GREAT* Britton.
What has this man done to deserve this gross and despicable behavior from Brian Cashman?
What you ask? Just put up stellar numbers in the minors while having MLB East experience under his belt.
It is a crime that Chris *GREAT* Britton is still in the minors. 5 IP with the Yankees this year, 1 ER, and his reward? Get out of here ya punk! Your too good for this Yankee bullpen.
That is all!
Britton killed Cashman’s dog.
Britton in his last 9 inning in AAA:
0 er, 1 BB, 6 k’s
Maybe they should demote him to AA.
David Wells signs with the Dodgers.
They are waiting for Britton’s era to reach zero.
Seriously, Pete, will you please ask Cashman why Britton is not being called up? It is utterly mystifying given his AL East track record. Will you please ask him? PLEEEEEEEEASE.
Put a Red Sox fan under hypnosis and they’ll say it’s not the Yankee players and organization they hate, it’s the success the Yankees have had and they have a built up envy and jealousy of being little brother baseball and living in a city that can’t measure up to the NYC metro area.
Boston’s culture is little more than a stop at a local Dunkin’ Donuts and as tolerant and cosmopolitan as Chattanooga, Tenn.
Minky is 3 for 3 with 5 rbis for Tampa tonight. Clagget pitched 6 innings, giving up 4 hits and 1 run. 4 Ks.
I just need to put everyone on notice. Shelley Duncan has a nickname. Only my wife knows it (she invented it after his 3rd homerun). He is now forever be referred to as “White Lightning.”
Are you with me?
I have lived in all four corners of this country over the past 30 years. There are far more Yankees fans out there in my experience than Sox fans. Not a knock on the old timers (misguided and twisted though they may be) but there are a lot of bandwagon fans in Red Sox nation because of their recent success. I went to college in Ct. and that state is pretty much split between the teams even though that is considered a New England state.
Someone mentioned earlier that the Sox recently drew 16K in Tampa. Well the Yanks sold out there this year (around 35K). BTW those were the only sellouts the Rays had all year.
Don’t lots of fans go to away games to root AGAINST the road team? If so, then maybe all it means is that the Bosux have displaced the Yanks as the most HATED team in baseball.
I could give a Red Sox fan 15 questions about his own team, and I guarantee they couldn’t answer more than 4.
As population numbers would suggest, far more former Tri-state residents now live in the Tampa-St. Pete area than do former Boston residents.
Yankee fans now living in Florida have flocked to Tropicana Field since the D-Rays became a franchise in ‘98. Most Boston fans have only come to see their team play since ‘04 and for the most part, just fly down for a series. Yankee fans do take their loyalty south.
I think Pete might be sleeping during tomorrows game. It took him 14 hours to fly from Cali to Detriot. OUCH! you could fly half way around the world in that time.
For some reason I don’t think Pete will be looking for the cheapest flights anymore. Espically those that go thru O’hare. Maybe next time you should try Midway.
Paul White is sports writer in Virgina who grew up in Beantown…Enough said……Slanted column
I think we need to email him and let him know about his false logic.
Peter, that’s an excellent point about the difference between Yankee Stadium and Fenway. At roughly 900 extra people per game over the Yankees (the way they figure it), that comes to a little less than 73,000 extra fans, right? But wait, as you said, Fenway holds a lot less than Yankee Stadium. Let’s round it up to 39,000 at Fenway. Yankee Stadium is…not sure offhand, you listed 55,000, I thought 57,000, let’s call it 55,000 for the sake of argument. Each team gets 9 road games at the other stadium…the difference is 16,000 a game, or 144,000. Which, by the way, is nearly double the “alleged” difference. That right there shows they’re wrong unless they eliminated the opposing team from the equation. If they looked at it merely from the perspective of how many fans buy tickets for the 81 road games, then the conclusion is totally wrong based on the fact that the Yankees are automatically working at a significant deficit from playing 9 extra road games at Fenway instead of at Yankee Stadium, as Boston gets.
Also, as someone else pointed out a few posts up, that doesn’t mean the Yankees or Red Sox are necessarily filling up the stadiums with fans of their teams. Sometimes it’s simply a case of the Yanks and Red Sox being two of the best known (and usually better) teams. I’d rather go see the Yanks play the Tigers than the Yanks play Kansas City…that doesn’t make me a Detroit fan.
I’ve got a friend in PHilly and he said when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town they sell out. Phillies fans have no stock in either the Yanks or Red Sox but know it’ll be a good game cause they’re 2 of the best teams around and 2 of the most well-known teams.
that’s got something to do with it.
ps, Manny’s dirty.
I looked you can’t even email this idiot directly. It goes to a main box, and you have to give everything but a blood sample. He probably would’t even read it. Although I do have half a mind to try to get in touch with an editor and ask if the author took into account the size of fenway and yankee stadium.
One fair way to do it would be to compare attendence per park. or to elimiate yankee stadium and fenway from the figures.
Manny looks like he hasn’t showered in Months.
Bostons game was postponed! Two for tomorrow?
Also Seattle is killing Texas at the moment. One can hope that Texas finds some of that magic again, or Jeff Weaver turns into the Weaver we know. Or we will be out 2 games in the wildcard.
jennifer: I wonder if he has. I’m watching the Yankee Classics game on YES. The Mets are so boring I’d rather watch a game I’ve seen at least 3 times already–it’s the one v. the Red Sox from July 1, 2004 with Jeter’s famous dive into the stands. I can tell Manny hasn’t cut his hair since then.
Dirty.
I was flipping back and forth. At least I got to see the Mets lose.
I can’t really watch the July 1st game. It makes me sad. I know we won, but I can’t help but think that, that was such an all time low for the soxs that it motivated them. They did make a run after.
I almost wish we lost it. I only wonder if we had, if the soxs would have even made the playoffs.
why did you have to bring that up? I just started to be able to watch this game again. This is such a great GAME. it’s one of those games I can keep watching. I get a little sad every time they flash the date on the screen, but other than that, it’s just such a great game. They ahd great pitching, great BENCH. It was John freaking Flaherty that got a walk-off.
Gives me hope.
Why couldnt Texas wait til they played Seattle to score 30 runs?
I watched the inning where Wagner blew it. Even when Mo blows a save, he never looks THAT bad. I really hate Billy Wagner. I know he’s a “good closer” or whatever, I just don’t like him. I think he’s a pretty good reliever, I just do not think he’s a good closer at all. And I hope he chokes on that wad of crap he chews on while he’s on the mound and Carlos Delgado has to run out and give him the Heimlich and someone ends up stealing 2nd and 3rd while they’re distracted.
how bad is Delgado!
Correct me if Im wrong, but the July 1st game was A-Rods last time playing shortstop
This is one reason I miss Miguel Cairo. If you think about it, he was a very clutch player for us
A-Rod played a total of 6 innings at SS in 2005.
Pretty funny, Andrea.
Really? You had to prove me wrong, right
Seattle is so damn lucky, it’s nauseating.
haha, you said correct you if you were wrong!
BBB, why lucky? It is very frustrating, but the M’s sem to deserve the wins.
seem, that is.
USA Today, has about as much credibility as a discarded menu from a Chinese take-out joint…
Boston has an inferiority complex, simple as that. On the whole, the city has about as much relevance as their team, very little. Hell, the only two good shows based there were “Cheers” and maybe a few episodes of “Boston Legal”. I don’t even like Sam Adams’s Beer, give me a good Czech pilsener any day over that over-hyped swill.
It’s a place where conformity is the norm, and they cling to the exploits of the Red Sox, living their pathetic lives vicariously through them. So be it, who cares ? When it is all said and done, the Yankees are still by far the most successful franchise in sports history. If the Yankees merit a chapter, the Red Sox barely merit a page.
You Yankees fans are ridiculous. Get over yourselves. God forbid the Yankees AREN’T at the top. What a bunch of whiners. This obviously gets to you – deny it as much as you want.
And the guy who says “the Red Sox barely merit a page”, that should be FRONT PAGE. There has never been nor will there ever be a comeback like 2004. But you’re too blind to even give that another thought. I had to laugh the day after “the collapse” listening to Mike and the Mad Dog. All those poor crying Yankees fans getting ready to hang themselves. They were speachless.
The Red Sox are America’s Team…..Get over it. Its all gonna be OK.
You’re so desperate for attention you plead the Red Sox case on a bonafide Yankees blog…
Thanks for justifying my point, not that I really needed the help.
The Dallas Cowboys are americas team and always will be!
Who cares whether Boston, New York, or Milwaukee is America’s team? It means nothing.
The Yankees are my team, your team, his team, and her team. That is all that matters.
[Mel] This poor guy doesn’t even know what a “logical fallacy” is, yet he uses it anyway. He’s like Mike Tyson.
Hey John,
May I ask why are you on a Yankee blog?