Game 130: Yankees at Tigers
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Here is the lineup:
YANKEES
Damon DH
Cabrera CF
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui LF
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Betemit SS
Molina C
Hughes (2-1, 4.96)
Pregame chatter: Derek Jeter has a sore right knee, a problem that first cropped up in Anaheim. He’s 0 for his last 9 as a result. … Giambi was inserted into the lineup to provide some pop with Jeter and a resting Jorge Posada on the bench. … Torre said the Yankees would probably call up an infielder, a catcher and a few pitchers on Sept. 1. Ian Kennedy is not on the list. … Yankees are facing 21-year-old Jair Jurrrjens (1-1, 3.29).
UPDATE, 1:41 p.m.: Hughes has to find a way to keep the Yankees in the game here because they can, and probably will, score a few runs off Durbin.
Hughes is in a tough spot. I wrote in April when they called him up that he needed more time in the minors and one great game against a bad Texas team didn’t change that. The plan for him this season was a season in AAA and they tossed that out of the window a few weeks into the season because they were desperate for starters.
He’s still in his infancy in terms of development and here he is facing the defending AL champions. It’ll be good for him in the long run but he’s going to take some bumps now.
UPDATE, 2:33 p.m.: I apologize if this was already mentioned by one of your minor-league mavens. But Austin Romine, Brad Sutttle, Taylor Grote and Carmen Angelini were assigned to the GCL Yanks and are playing this weekend.
The baseball draft is a funny thing. Teams select 50 kids, sign 35 of them or so and in four years you see who can play. If you’re lucky, three or four can.
UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: Nice move by Leyland there, going to the lefty to get Abreu and A-Rod with two runners on. But this game isn’t ending 5-4. Whoever scores next wins it.
UPDATE, 2:59 p.m.: Well, Hughes has done his part for the last three innings. Now the Yankees have to get something done soon.
UPDATE, 3;22 p.m.: I do believe we are seeing the redemption of Kyle Farnsworth. He has now thrown seven scoreless innings in a row, allowing one hit, two walks and striking out eight. I’ll tell ya, I was always in his corner. 
Meanwhile, Melky Cabrera needs to get fined $100 every time he slides into first base. Unless you’re getting tagged, it’s a stupid, inefficient thing to do. That’s the third or fourth time he has done it this season.
UPDATE, 3:37 p.m.: The Tigers have retired 11 batters in a row. Great relief pitching and great choices by Jim Leyland, who used Bobby Seay and Joel Zumaya for multiple innings.
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Chad Jennings
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Josh Thomson
Good idea about giving Jeter a rest. He needs it, espically with the soxs series Tuesday.
Yes, we definitely want DJ ready for the bosox!!! I’m ready for the game to get started today!
OMG! Giambi at first? Pigs will fly before we win a game with Giambi at first!
Just figured I’d get the ball rolling. I know how everyone likes to rants about the Giambino. We’ll be fine with him at first. Phillips will take over in the 8th.
The likely callups: Wil Nieves, Alberto Gonzalez, Chris Britton, Kei Igawa, and Jeff Karstens.
Ha DesignatedBlogger, you know here nobody is happy unless Mattingly is playing 1st. If it’s Phillips, it’s “he’s got no bat!” if it’s Giambi it’s “he’s got no glove!”
Why wouldn’t they bring up Ian, give him a taste of the bigs. He likely will be in the starting rotation next year, so whats the difference.
And what catcher? Nieves?
Oh god no Igawa, and Jeff.
And why do the schedule makers have to screw with the Yankees. The Yankees have to play a game tomorrow night, while the soxs will have a full day off. Plus they have a day game today.
Why is everybody so certain Kennedy will be in the rotation? Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, Chamberlain. That’s 5. Plus you know Igawa will get a shot first.
I know no one is allowed to say something bad about him. But It is a good thing that Jeter isnt playing today and he should rest tomorrow also…he looks like he needs it. You could tell that something was wrong. He is 10 for his last 50 with 1 extra base hit, has less patience then Cano at the plate and wasnt runing good at all. He has looked very worn out, rest him today and tomorrow then he will be ready for Boston. Also Dh Arod tomorrow if he needs it.
good move by resting jeter…but not calling up kennedy? why?
Igawa will be traded, you can bank it.
If they were gonna trade Igawa, they would’ve done it already.
Just heard the interview with Joba, he has a good head on his shoulders. Makes you proud that he is on this team.
The trading deadline passed. they didn’t like what they were offered.
So…miraculously they will be offered more in the offseason?
One can hope!
igawa can’t actually be traded at this point, since SD claimed him on waivers and no deal was pulled off, we had to pull him back from waivers. he’s ours til the end of the year. hooray. ugh.
God I hope next years rotation doesn’t include Mussina. They’ll have to swing a trade if no one good is a FA.
The only thing I can think of as to why they won’t call up Kennedy is that he’s not on the 40-man roster. I’m not sure if the whole September callups thing has different rules but to get Kennedy to the Bronx they’d have to make another move with their 40 to make room for him…that would mean releasing or DFA’ing someone.
I keep saying if Mike thinks he is done he won’t be back. He will go home to PA.
I think its more likely Mussina won’t be back than Igawa.
I know, Moose makes more money, has a complete no trade, etc., etc.
However, if he doesn’t pitch better the rest of the way, I can’t see them penciling him into the rotation next year.
They aren’t going to put a guy out there who can’t get outs anymore.
Moose may believe the Yankees don’t have anybody who can take his spot. However, its obvious the Yankees feel differently.
Its almost like a playoff start for Moose tomorrow. I’m interested in seeing how he responds.
Today’s lineup? Smart all around. Jeter has looked awful for over two weeks now. He needs a break. Jorge out of the lineup is a no brainer. They can survive a day with Giambi at first. I have a feeling this won’t be a 2-1 game so, they need his bat in the lineup.
Kennedy? Barring injury, IMO, he will be in the rotation next year. He’s running out of things to prove in AAA.
They aren’t going to call up Kennedy because they probably don’t want to start his option years. It’s tempting but it ain’t happenin’.
Iggy might stick around as a long reliever. He isn’t a bad pitcher. His mechanics are horrible.
I think Britton, Nieves, Gonzalez, TJ Beam, Jose Veras, Jeff Karstens and Jim Brower will be called up. I was hoping for Gardener, but I’ll have to wait until next year.
I’m sure you can find someone on the 40 man that you can dfa.
Jim Brower
Matt DeSalvo
chris – good point re: 40 man roster, but i thought that once the rosters expand you can call him up w/o using up a year of arbitration eligibility. i’m no expert, anyone know what the rationale would be? maybe make sure he gets consistent innings in SWB?
One other one i had in mind must have already been dfa Kevin Reese, i don’t see his name listed.
Tyler Clippard will be added, he had 3 wins this year, Nieves will not he`s not on the 40 man
I’d rather have Igawa right now as our lefty in the pen over Henn.
Jose Veras was on the 60 day dl. He’s not on the 40 man, so as you pointed out with Ian, you’d need to make a move for him.
We don’t have any other catchers on the 40 man. So, some move will have to be made either way.
Victor…I agree with your possible list of callups. Nieves will have to be added to the 40 man roster, but the rest are already on the 40 man. I think they might DFA Jim Brower to make room for Nieves.
As much as I would like to have a preview of Ian Kennedy and Brett Gardener, adding them to the 40 man roster for the sake of a cameo, means getting rid of two more players. I also thing the Yankee FO does not want to start the clock on Kennedy’s & Gardener’s options this year.
If Mussina and his sprained ego can be disabled, you will see Igawa or Karstens filling in.
Good move sitting Jeter..he needs several days off the way he has been gimping.
Not calling up Kennedy would be consistent with what I’ve read that he’s near his innings limit for the year. That doesn’t mean that he won’t contend for a starting spot next year, though. And I agree with whomever it was above, Igawa has a better chance of still being on the team next year (lefty out of pen? He does get his strikeouts.) than Moose if Moose doesn’t step it up, and soon. At his age, you can’t just write things off as a slump.
Clippard is back in AA and has been very inconsistent in Trenton. Hard to envision he would get the call.
I could see Britton, Karstans and Igawa getting the call along with Alberto Gonzalez and Nieves. The Yankees never call up 15 guys. Barring injuries, its usually just 4-6.
Kennedy may not be on the list now but, I’m curious if that changes should Moose bomb tomorrow. Probably not but, its worth keeping checking out.
When I hear somebody from the Yankees definitively state something isn’t happening, I think back to the “Mo will only work one inning” and “Chamberlain is not an option this year” comments we heard earlier in the year.
Another 2 inning, 7 run implosion from Moose tomorrow, and he isn’t making that start 9/1 vs. Tampa at the Stadium, IMO. Just a question of who would be.
is giambi only in the lineup b/c jeter’s out? that seems odd to me. i’d think giambi should be in regardless of jeter’s status, but joe’s benched him the past few days.
I would rather have Giambi in the lineup most of the time.
When healthy, he is one of the best hitters on this team, and that’s hard to be, considering this lineup.
I’d like to see Brett Gardner get called up just to pinch run if nothing else.
Some of you have already said this and it seems you’re right…here’s the explanation as to why Kennedy won’t be called up from Chad Jennings who covers SWB…
“I’m still not sure the Yankees will give him a September call-up because 1) They won’t want to start his options and 2) They won’t have an easy time finding room on the 40-man. Obviously neither is a huge issue, but it might not be worth either hurdle just to give a guy an inning or two of work. That said, if a starter gets hurt, the Yankees will be tempted.”
Seems to make sense to me…
what up all…
mlb.tv has gotta do something where u can pick the broadcast, kay is dreadful, but the away commentators are worse
Clippard is terrible. He is part of the last generation of Yankee farm pitchers.
He’ll be tradebait if anything.
Does Abreu have a steals incentive in has contract? Last night it was strange to see him go that much. Especially with a certain hitter in the 4 hole!
i don;t like this match-up today. The Yankees can’t ever seen to beat pitcher’s they haven’t seen before.
Very disappointed with Damon and Melky’s at-bats. They each needed to work the counts and didn’t.
About the September call ups: My guess is Nieves, Gonzalez, Thompson, and literally every pitcher on the 40 man roster with major league experience except for T-Clip and Wright.
not my idea of a great line up. why have posada and jeter out of the lineup on the same day. why not have jeter have tomorrow off and posada off today?
every game is big now. verlander is going to be tough tomorrow so a win today is essential. no way does this lineup doesn’t give the yankees the best chance to win today.
that said, they need a win, so go yanks.
wow good pitch by jurrgens
He better give Hughes that pitch, 3 inches low and a half foor off the plate.
yanks are dreadful against pitchers they never seen, lets hope for a couple of runs then get into that pen, the yanks have seen them b4
I totally agree with Al Leiter there that B. Abreu stealing hurt the Yankees as Arod took a pitch in his happy zone for a strike.
The reason Ian Kennedy won’t be called up is most likely because of The Kennedy Rules. Much like Joba, it’s a golden arm that needs protecting. Plus, his mom and I need him to come home and rake leaves.
I hope Franchise gets the same strike zone today, it’s looking p;retty big.
yea for real, consistent for both teams
is mlb tv not working for anyone else?
That was sad
That was great
Nice way to start off
Johnny is a better lf’er than Matsui. I believe he would have had that.
YIKES!!
Wonderful, inside the park HR to start the game. Curtis Granderson wasn’t hitting a lick until this series. Now, they not only can’t get him out, they play an out into an inside the park HR. Brutal.
Talk about luck.
It is a getaway day zone.
And bad D on a weak flare costs PH in the first. One reason bis ERA is not refelctive of how well he has pitched is that kind of nopise and relivers allowing inherited runners to score.
Is it me or do Yankee OF’s never dive?! I feel like everytime I turn on ESPN I see OF’s making these amazing full extension, diving catches…Yankee OF’s (back to the days of Bernie and Paulie) always seem to slide or lunge…I don’t know…just an observation.
jeesh, hughes is snake bit. a pop fly inside the park job.
Where is the blistering fastball we’ve been hearing about?
Jebus. Is it too early to start drinking?
Talk about bad luck
for Phil.
Good Lord,Matsui….
It’s painful to watch Matsui play LF these days. It takes him a long time to stop once he starts running. It must be the knees…
hughes has to throw something other than his fastball
C’mon PH, lets get it together!
It isn’t get away day. They have another game to play tomorrow night.
Also I don’t think Phil is pushing off on his leg as much. He is probably still worried about his hamstring.
they r waitin for the fastball, throw the curve, cmon phill
I don’t care what anybody says, Hughes velocity is disappointing. He’s barely hitting 90 when prior to injury he was consistently at 93,94. Now I know with Hughes it’s more about control and location but the extra MPH make a difference.
Like Joel Zumaya, the time spent on the DL has really sapped them of their arm strengths. I doubt we ever see 100 from Zumaya or 94,95 from Hughes *this year*.
hughes will be great once he figures this out. he’s 0-2 on his second hitter in a row. needs to learn how to put an MLB player away. needs something besides fastball curve.
jennifer-
someone should tell the home plat ump that. check that, I’d rather have a big zone as long as it goes bothe ways
The only outfielder that dives is Shelley.
If Mats has bad knees than he has no busniness being out there. Espically with how Johnny has played lf.
great 0-2 curve to Thames
It seems like evrything he throws is smack in the middle of the zone. I heard he’s a strike throwing machine, but I dont want to see fat strikes.
BBB –
It is never too early!
The rest of ya’s
Nice hook by franchise there – You guys are awful quick whine today. Have a little faith – the kitties have been awful since the break.
Yeah, like Jeter, I think Matsui is another one who’s hurting more than they’re letting on. I don’t get whats so hard about DHing him and playing Damon in left…
that 2-1 breaking ball was a f*cking strike.
Not a good start
YIKES!!!
Unfortunately, between the late game and Jeter being hurt, they don’t have the luxury of being able to space out the days off.
Another example as to why throwing the away the first three months of the season has killed this team. Every game is important now. If you have injuries, you either have to play through them (which sometimes makes thing worse) or have injured guys in the lineup, which makes your team worse.
Three things the Yankees must emphasize next year:
1. First innings. Yankee starting pitchers give up runs in the first inning on an alarming basis. It seems this team has to play from behind after one every night. Tough to do on a nightly basis, no matter how good your offense may be.
2. Strikethrowers. Can’t walk this many guys next year. If you can’t throw strikes, you can’t pitch for the Yankees. That should be the mantra.
3. The first three months of the seasons do matter. You may not be able to win a division in the first three months of a season. But, you can lose one. A MUCH better start has to be a priority next year, no matter who manages this team.
I don’t hink PH is catching too much of the plate. Too fine if anything early in the count, which unfortunately leads to 2-1 counts and that.
Guys, the Yankees do not give a crap about option years.
That has zero effect on any decision making for the Yankees.
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Lieter just said the same. That previous ball was a strike.
he doesn’t throw that fastball down the middle if it’s 2-2 instead of 3-1. damn it.
ever mnotice onf astball counts yankee hitters get off speed stuff, why dont we do that to opposing teams, 3-1 fastball soo predicatble
Tigers lead 3-0
Thats a great pitch 90 mph fastball right down Broadway to a good hitter.
Someone tell Cashman to call up Phil Hughes, not Phil Igawa.
Did the game start, or BP still taking place? 3-0 Detroit.
Hughes better start throwing that changeup or it’s going to be a long day.
high heat gets pudge out
Imagine what our record would be if we won 1/4 of those games that we lost earlier this year. We’d far and away have the best record in mlb. We dug ourselves quite the hole.
Well, we have another starting pitcher who can’t get out of the first inning. Another garbage start for Hughes and he continues to pitch from behind in counts.
Not good when your #4 and #5 starters are now one inning pitchers.
Get him out and find somebody else who can pitch or September is for developmental purposes only and not for a playoff push.
Unfortunately, this kid has missed too much time this season to be effective. Been a lost year for him.
boom high heat…
Bailey, Gallardo and Hughes have been hit hard this year. Bailey was demoted all the wya to Single-A and Gallardo is giving up 10 runs a game. I guess we should be glad hughes isn’t that bad.
Ask your catcher. He called the fb.
Other than lack of experience, something has got to be wrong with Hughes. He just doesn’t look right.
Doesn’t he have something other than a curve and a fastball? Seem to remember a change up that he threw the night in Texas when his hammy popped.
Any word on whether Phil is hurt or mentally shaken?
Other than lack of experience, something has got to be wrong with Hughes. He just doesn’t look right.
Doesn’t he have something other than a curve and a fastball? Seem to remember a change up that he threw the night in Texas when his hammy popped.
Any word on whether Phil is hurt or mentally shaken?
“ever mnotice onf astball counts yankee hitters get off speed stuff, why dont we do that to opposing teams, 3-1 fastball soo predicatble”
Well, first off, because pitchers can throw their fastballs for strikes much easier than their off speed stuff.
Fastballs also typically happen to be a pitcher’s best pitch.
Wow, Hughes kind of looks…….mediocre?? This is The Savior we were all waiting for?
Joba buries this guy, this guy belongs in the minors. Go Joba
highes has fastball curve and what else?
Bailey down to A. WOW.
“Other than lack of experience, something has got to be wrong with Hughes. He just doesn’t look right.
Doesn’t he have something other than a curve and a fastball? Seem to remember a change up that he threw the night in Texas when his hammy popped.
Any word on whether Phil is hurt or mentally shaken?”
Well, he is 21 years old. Oh, us Yankee fans are a crazy, crazy bunch.
SJ44. ridiculous statements..your post is not coherent.. yeah find another starter since they grow on trees………….
Matsui turned a double into a HR if you missed that one. GIve him some time the game is far from over…Panic post SJ, relax…
that is right CHase wright won yesterday in AA, call him up he is a better option!!!!!!!!be real.
very psyched to watch this game for free today on MLB. Thanks for the heads up on this Pete.
3-0 hole shouldn’t be anything. only thing that worries me, it is against a pitcher we’ve never seen.
Bailey is at A ball rehabbing his groin.
“Well, first off, because pitchers can throw their fastballs for strikes much easier than their off speed stuff.
Fastballs also typically happen to be a pitcher’s best pitch.”
I understand that…but if he throws it close the change of pseed will fool the hitter
I know its not the way to go, but i see it so often against yankee hitters that it drives me crazy. Arod, jeet, abreu, they never get 3-1 fastballs. Yanks get pitched backwards more than any team in the league
All these reports online of the Yankees actually KEEPING Abreu next year. Would anyone rather see a Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones adition to the OF? Aboo-boo is scared of the wall and diving for the ball.
Is anybody here who is giving up on Phil Hughe watching the game? He made on bad pitch that inning, after falling behind on a couple bordeline calls on nice breaking balls just off the plate. And these are some prety good hitters.
DFA Hughes and call up Britton!!! Why won’t the Yankees do this?!?!
Obviously just kidding. This is why you can’t rely on a rotation of 3 rookies like everybody wants.
he has a change that was very effective against texas. also has a slider he threw to pudge there that got fouled off.
i agree though, he just doesn’t look totally right, in comparison to when he first came up over even against cleveland. even when he is getting hit though, you can see that he has all the stuff. he is learning, and hasn’t been able to put it all together recently, and it is unfortuanate that he is being asked to do so every time out in a pennant race. but that is the reality.
He’s a power pitcher who has lost his power due to the leg injuries this season.
Rehabbing isn’t conditioning. He’s lost 4-5 MPH off his fastball and his command is gone.
Its a shame but, its reality.
They can’t keep him in the rotation if he can’t pitch better than this. Not if the playoffs are a priority. He’s overmatched and its clear in each start he isn’t as good as he was prior to the injuries.
This is the worst possible position for the Yankees to be in right now. They not only need Mussina to win tomorrow (VERY unlikely) but, they now have a #4 starter who is as bad as Moose.
Can’t win with 2 good starters, 1 guy who is up and down, and 2 awful starters.
Meanwhile, Jurrgens is doing what all rookie pitchers do to the Yankees Dominate them.
Let’s hope Texas has another win in them tonight. Looks like we are going to need it.
Well that would explain it. thanks adkwriter.
“Wow, Hughes kind of looks…….mediocre?? This is The Savior we were all waiting for?
Joba buries this guy, this guy belongs in the minors. Go Joba”
*Deep Breath.*
Don’t drink and post comments, boys and girls.
I ses all the pitching scouts are posting all ready today.. yeah he is washed up and has nothing.. He is a bust.
you guys are clowns and I am sorry to insult clowns..
Can we get Pettitte to pitch the first inning of every game?
look at that 2 straight breakin balls against giambi
GIMABI!!!!
i can see why they dont throw yanks fastballss haha yea JAY!!!
A rocket shot to right from G-ambi!
CHIP CHIP CHIP.
That’s y he has to be in the lineup
And another thing for you SJ. You can’t whine Bout pitchers who walk guys and then bitch when they throw a 3-1 fastball. You watch, PH will give us a chance to win this game which is not something we would likely get from his replacement if we gave up on his “lost” season.
I think Jason scared the kid.
Hope he’s alright.
GIAMBINO!!
WOW we coyught a break, hate to see a young kid get hurt….but we need to take advantage
i remember after hughes’ first crap start of his return, sj44 said to wait a few starts before being concerned about whether the kid could be effective. well, i think we’ve waited long enough. he’s not a good pitcher right now. he’s certainly not anything near what he was billed. who knows how far the injury set him back or what the rest of his career will be like but, in 2007, phil hughes stinks.
at least joba lived up to the hype.
might be time to stop penciling hughes into the 2008 rotation.
Jirjens out, bullpen is in.
I get home, walk into my room, turn on the TV and in
Da Giambino!! Cmon guys, let’s make this the start of a huge game!!
Well, he is 21 years old. Oh, us Yankee fans are a crazy, crazy bunch.
Yes we are but being 21 should not be an excuse. I don’t remember K-Rod struggling this bad? King Felix? etc.
Just saying he does not look like he is pitching right now, more or less just throwing. Too many of his pitches are mid thigh or up and middle of the plate to outer half of the plate. That was not his location prior to his injury. Now could be simply what SJ44 said and his time spent on the DL is the cause.
Hey d back, I dont drink at all, bet you do though, I am totally abstemious, and Hughes looks mediocre little boy or girl.
Save your condescending tone for anyone in life that might actually be inferior to you, though my best guess is thats a number in the single to low digits.
I would only say that people who complain about Phil need to consider the alternatives as well as the consequences of discarding people like a fantasy sports team.
It is just an immature approach IMHO. What are we going to put in his place? If you want to see the Yanks draft talent rather than bring in Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano et al you have got to get used to giving rookies a little slack.
Alright, SJ44. Calm it down, big guy.
First off, I’m willing to bet that a whole bunch of teams would kill for Wang-Pettitte-Clemens-Hughes-Mussina.
Seriously, why is Hughes suddenly the worst thing since sliced Igawa? Good lord. I mean, it’s not like the Tigers are fourth in Team OPS, or something.
Oh.
That’s right.
THEY ARE FOURTH!
SJ, deep breaths…
Hope this is nothing serious with Jurjens BTW.
The Detroit announcers sure didn’t like Giambi’s BretBoone-like bat flip after he hit the HR…
Wow, what a turn of events. Having gone through this with Karstens, Rasner, and Hughes you got to feel for the kid.
Way to go Giambi. Keep chugging guys.
What a great shot by Giambi.
Some of you clowns are giving up on Hughes alreay?
Comical how short sighted some people are.
He hurt his shoulder.
Yanks Rule said, “Wow, Hughes kind of looks…….mediocre?? This is The Savior we were all waiting for?”
One of the unfortunate by products of the Yankees’ poor start is that they now rely on a 21 year old pitcher to help save the season. Hughes may turn out to be a good one, but it may take a year or two or three. I doubt he gets 3 years to get it together in a high profile market like NYC.
He’d better be a stud next year, or a lot of fans will try to drive him out of town, faster than you can say “Jeff Weaver.”
Hughes will be ok.
Incidentally, it’s unbecoming to gloat or to congratulate one’s self for being right. So I don’t want to do either in this case, but I always have defended Abreu, even when he was struggling. He plays the game hard, he doesn’t complain (the anti-Sheffield), he exercises superb plate discipline, he works counts, he can run and steal bases and generate runs, he tutors the young Latin players, and he always flourishes in the 2nd half of a season when it most matters.
Still, I think all the Yankee fans, including some regulars on this site who wanted to trade, to jettison, and/or to lynch Bobby Abreu in the beginning of the season, should express contrition. (I remember one yahoo kept posting that Abreu should be stood against a wall and beaned with baseballs.)
BTW, Damon is a better LF than Matsui. There’s a report in today’s NYP that Damon wants to leave and the Yankees want to accomodate him in the off-season. I hope that doesn’t occur. I’d love to see the Yankees move Damon to LF permanently and make Matsui the DH. Albeit, that would depend on convincing Giambi to waive his no-trade clause.
Tough break for the kid Jurjens. Sorry to see him hurt, especially after it looked like the Yankees might be able to hit him after all.
Durbin frustrated the Yankees through five to six innings last Saturday.
can we all just collectively take a deep breath? please? all this freaking out is getting to me. hughes is suddenly washed up? give me a break.
I enjoy fans/people on this blog that just assume 21 year-olds come up and blow away hitters right away like they’ve been pitching in the big leagues since birth. Does it happen once in awhile (see: Joba)? Of course…but it’s not a foregone conclusion. While the Tigers haven’t played well of late, let’s not forget that this is a very solid ball club. Let’s also not forget that Hughes is still an infant in terms of Major League experience and he’s pitching in a pennant/wild card race trying to get the best franchise in baseball into the playoffs.
The Yankees and their fans build this guy up all year long (and last year) and now find it unacceptable that he’s not pitching well. Remember when the Yanks said he wouldn’t pitch in New York this year. They got desperate and now they’re relying on him for big starts…I can only hope as a Yankee fan that their desperation doesn’t damage this kid’s future.
Fear Factor: you were saying?
Tell them to get some cheese with that whine. I guess the fist pumping, excessive at that was fine the other day.
Uh oh.
Hope Jurrjens is okay.
Also, Michael Kay, you’re an idiot.
NO PITCHER WANTS AN ELBOW LIGAMENT TO TEAR!
Kasey = Exhibit A for my mini-rant. Non-stop negativity with no perspective.
Forget the hype Stuart, watch him pitch. He’s a shell of what he was. He has no velocity, can’t command anything (very Un-Hughes) and is getting shelled early in games.
I have watched this kid pitch for three years. He’s walked more people, and pitched in more bad counts, in his last 3 starts than just about all of his previous professional starts combined.
If you want to make the playoffs, you can’t do it with starters who can’t give you length and quality.
The Yankees currently have two of them in the rotation.
Five starts since his return, one good one. He’s had a lost year because of the injuries. That’s reality.
Does that mean he is a bust? No. Does it mean he is a good pitcher right now? No, he is not.
Yes, starters don’t grow on trees. However, there are guys who can give you better outings than he has given them mainly because they have been pitching all season and are sharper than he is right now.
If you don’t think missing all this time has changed him, you are crazy. He’s not the same pitcher he was 3 months ago.
Hell, veteran pitchers who miss three months of a season rarely help teams down the stretch. How the heck can we expect a 21 year old to do so?
SJ is right, hughes has a power pitcher’s mentality without the power stuff right now. He’s a one-two type pitcher and that doesnt get it done in the bigs when guys see you 3 times a game. He hasnt been able to adjust and most of all been able to locate. I think he needs to throw the two-strike curve a little harder. The one to Thames looked like it had more bite to it not to mention it was down in the zone
Damon is free to go, I’d say.
Plenty of other and more valuable options out there for a 4th outfielder/DH.
Yeah I think i’d like to see Damon stay here, but there is no spot with Jason and Mats here. Unless you let Bobby leave, but who do you put in right?
Is it just me, or does Cano take an 0-2 protecting the plate hack on everything but the first pitch?
Is something wrong with Phil?
Yeah, he was injured all year. The Change up doesn’t seem to be an option. Maybe he has to work on it over the off season, but he’s in AAAA world right now. Hughes can’t afford to get behind in a count, which is going to happen sometimes.
He’s still a better option the Igawa, who is a National League AAA pitcher at best.
King Felix was the best pitching prospect since Pedro. Last season- 12-14 with a 4.52. Not so great.
jesus kasey, you really think that because the guy has been mediocre since returning from an injury that’s temporarily taken 3-4 mph off his fastball and taken 3-4 mph off his fastball there is no chance he will be a good starter. and as far as krod or felix not struggling at age 21, there are a lot more pitchers in the hof who weren’t all stars when they were 21 than the other way around, where were santana, bedard, peavy, et al when they were 21? i think half the people on this board or bipolar
Hughes pitching at the MLB level right now is more for his future than it is for the Yankees present.
Also, I’d bet you anything that Karstens-Igawa-Steven White-IPK and whom else couldn’t outproduce Hughes over the final month.
Gladly take that bet.
Has nothing to do with calming down or deep breathes.
I am not saying he is a bust. Quite the contrary.
I am saying he’s not the same pitcher he was before his leg injuries. Some of the overly sensitive on this board may not like hearing it but, that’s reality.
Its pretty damn hard to argue he’s ok when he’s not.
He will be next year. This year? Lost year for him.
And Hughes did not look great, but he threw 20 out of 25 strikes. He needs to learn how trust his breaking pitches on hitters counts.
maybe SJ and the rest of you experts should talk to Nardi COntreras and the rest of the pitching no it alls and straighten them out???
Hughes has not mentioned these issues in many interviews and except for the walks looked good against the angels..
I forgot I am reading posts from so many experts..
Detroit announcers bitching about Giambi’s bat flip? Did they see the jaunt by Guillen? He should be drilled on that choker he wears.
Incidentally, the first pitch to Betemit on the outside corner was in the same spot and ball 3 to Guillen. Was also the same spot as strike 1 to Matsui.
Consistency = steadfast adherence to the same principles, course, form, etc
C’mon Blue!
I guess the Yankees were complaining about the zone. Ump took mask off and said something in their direction.
“King Felix was the best pitching prospect since Pedro. Last season- 12-14 with a 4.52. Not so great.”
Pedro didn’t really come up with fanfare.
He became really became Pedro! in 1997 or so.
Joba Chamberlain is a different animal altogether. He has one great pitch, and he’s used sparingly so that great pitch can be at it’s best. More than likely he’s a lot farther away from being a starter than Hughes right now. When Papelbon came to the Red Sox 2 years ago, they put him in the pen, because he had one great pitch, but not a full complement of pitches to be a starter. For all the talk about Paps working on his slider, split, cutter, slurve, he still just has that one great pitch and a long way away from every being a starter.
just not getting ahead of guys. but i will strill take him over any other 4 or 5 pitcher we’ve had this year
Helped out by CAsey swinging at ball 3 there. That wasn’t a very encouraging sequence as those fastballs are missing the target by a foot, and dont seem to have much life. IS there a gun reading anywhere? Not a mention at all on YES.
to adkwriter
I will take Hughes, too. Count me in.
Did someone really just type that King Felix never struggled like this? Um…do ya watch much baseball?
This is pretty ridiculous, Hughes will be fine. He is ONLY 21 and a great pitching prospect. Everyone needs to relax, as he is a fine number 5 right now.
I love it: The N.Y. Post has two articles about how Mussina may be in danger of losing his job, but a guy who should be in danger of losing his job along with and before Mussina is Phil Hughes.
Hughes should be kicked out of the rotation if he gives up another 3 runs today. He’s halfway to being horrendous after an inning. If he was kicked out, it would be his first hard lesson in the bigs: if you can’t hack it in crunchtime, you’re out. He can watch his replacement Ian Kennedy or Steve White try to get it done and it should motivate him to do better. Mussina should suffer the same fate if he stinks it up tomorrow.
I don’t like/ want Mussina in the rotation, but I’m a little sick of everyone giving Hughes a free pass because of all the hype which quite frankly, he has not lived up to save for 2 starts out of 7 including today. He’s been really good in exactly ONE start since his return. I could care less that he’s young, cheap, and promising, if he can’t get it done along with Mussina, then he needs to be out of the rotation as well cuz Mussina has done tons more than he has.
You have to respect Mussina’s career and the fact that he helped the Yanks to two World Series appearances. What it is is people are getting too caught up in the image of Hughes as this fresh-faced ace by 24 kid when maybe all he is and should be for his longterm future a #4 next year.
I’d be thrilled if he was a solid #4 next year cuz that’s something to build on.
jackie,
Joba has two great pitches, not one.
Hughes will be fine, relax guys. He wasn´t too sharp last time out, but it´s not like he was terrible. Today he´s made one bad 3-1 pitch to Guillen, and big league hitters will make you pay if you make a mistake in a hitters count.
Remember when he was pitching against Texas? He hasn´t completely lost it or anything, he hasn´t been sharp since his injury, but he´ll be back soon enough. Maybe he won´t even give up another run today.
At least if the ump has a bad zone, you just ask that the bad zone is the same for both teams.
You are right, he was supposed to be the best pitcher since Pedro, you are right.
MAKE THEM EAT CROW HUGHES!!
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that’s why you gotta have hope for hughes. made some good hitters look stupid.
Hughes’ fastball is looking pretty good today, 93 with movement.
I think questioning Hughes’ health is a legitimate concern. It does not mean that people are saying he is a bust, nor are they claiming to be experts. It is JUST CONCERN!
When did questioning the progress of a prospect and his health become such a bad thing? Jesus Christ it is not like people are questioning the existence of WMD’s in Iraq.
Maybe it’s just me but it seems like there are a lot of BS calls every time Hughes pitches.. his last 2 outings especially.
Nice inning for him there though.
SJ44,
I will go further than that and say he hasnt really pitched that well at the beggining of the season as well. He was getting roped in preseason and had the Texas outing and Cleveland and thats it. I never seen him pitch till this year but I have to think there must be more in him that we havnt seen much of.
Hopefully he can find himself soon.
OMG how did hughes do that, you guys (SJ44) have got to learn to relax
I understand where SJ44 is coming from, I do. However, I think that the Yankees were more than cautious during his rehab.
It’s not that he’s bad, or hurt, or even inconsistent.
He’s young. It’ll come, trust me.
Anyone who throws Hughes away is a frickin idiot.
Jackie-
Joba has 2 great pitches. He can comand the fastball at near 3 digits and his tihgt slider is so hard it looks like a fastball. And, he hasn’t needed to show anything else yet, but I understand he has a deuce and even a change.
Now PH worked over Maybin like the 21 year old kid he is. Maybe, SJ the reson Phil’s stuff doesn’t look as sttrong is the caliber of the bater. Against Gulillen for instance, we’d have said PH painted him if he swung at thos curves jjust off the plate, like most AA players would.
perhaps hughes will take this opportunity and prove he’s better than the back up durbin. I know that its a personal matchup between pitchers and he lost his edge with the 1st inning. Now he has new life against a scrub.
wow, this Hughes guy really stinks. They should have traded him for Hatteberg.
Damon Sucks!
Are you with me BBB?
I wouldn’t call it a lost year. I don’t think you can take too much from that first inning, it’s one inning, and matsui’s blunder at the beginning giving up an inside-the-parker may have rattled him. his game against anaheim wasn’t bad outside of that one inning and a bad job from the pen, and hopefully it will be the same today minus the bad job from the pen. he seems to have settled down in the second. maybe he’s not going to dominate, but i still think he could be a very servicable #4 for us this year and develop into a frontline starter in the future.
Stuart,
What do you expect Hughes to say? You think a pitcher can stay sharp missing three months of a season? Especially, a young pitcher?
The kid is throwing 90-91 MPH. He can’t command his off speed. Pop the tape in from his earlier starts. The kid had unreal command of all three pitches. You lose sharpness and velocity when you miss this much time with leg injuries.
The willie nillies on the board are saying he is a “bust”. Not me. He’s not a bust. But, he is also a shell of what he was prior to his injury.
That’s not a knock on the kid, its a fact.
Unfortunately, for the Yankees, they need him to be the Pre-Injury Phil Hughes and that’s an awful lot to ask of a 21 year old kid.
This has nothing to do with Joba. We are talking about Hughes, not Joba.
I think the kid is going to be a very, very good pitcher. Right now, given his stuff, its going to be tough for him. Hopefully, I am wrong.
Maybe all the nay-sayers can relax now…just cause the kid isn’t throwing 93-95 doesn’t mean he can’t pitch effectively. In fact…I’d rather him throw 88-92 and know how to pitch than throw 93-95 and try to blow away everyone. What I see from Hughes right now is a lot of fastballs up in the zone…looks like he’s not getting on top of his fastball all the time…consistency is something that comes with experience. Curveball has good bite…would like to see a 3rd pitch but he’s SO YOUNG…still developing…unfortunately his development has to occur in crucial games for the Yanks…he’ll be ok with guys like Clemens and Andy whispering in his ear.
Anyone watching this on MLB.TV?
Glad I didn’t order it. The picture is so dark you can hardly make anything out.
Young pitchers struggle. Not everyone is Verlander, Liriano or Gooden. You can’t develop young pitchers without allowing them to go through their ups and downs. You cannot have it both ways, you must allow the youngsters to take their lumps and they and the team will be better off for it.
Absolutely, Andrea – Johnny, you bum!!
I hate this guy Durbin, the kind of junk-ball, off-speed pitcher that always seems to baffle the Yankees.
Pepper -Iraq? put down the pipe, we’re a baseball blog.
and stop sharing yours with the Detroit announcers on MLBTV!
nothin washes down pretzles better tahn A&W root beer
I have an honest question and it is not meant to bash Phil Hughes at all. All this time we’ve been waiting for him to come up and pitch in the big leagues, I’ve been reading about how he is a power pitcher in the mold of a young Roger Clemens. It appears to me that his fastball rarely tops 91 mph. Is this cause for concern? Or has he never actually been a power pitcher?
I love how we make Durbin look like the next coming of Randy Johnson
Maybe the TX game spoiled us all. Can’t expect a no-no every game. And the TX hitters weren’t hitting anyone back then.
meh…can’t Giambi just bat in all 9 spots today? :\
>>Joba has two great pitches, not one.
We are making this too easy for the Tigers!
Enough negativity, short-sightedness, and stupidity please.
I hate Randy Johnson.
terrible AB’s for the Yanks. they have given away 5 ab’s against DUrbin..
Hughes looked fine in the 2nd, see how the game plays out and then after the game evaluate his performance, I think that is reasonable…
As for Durbin, we did eventually break through last time we faced him, let’s hope for the same today.
Plus am I crazy or did he come out of the bullpen on Friday? Maybe that will mess with his durability today…
That was a 2nd consecutive depressing inning of futile swings against a guy who’s allowed 163 baserunners in 115 innings this year.
They’re making Durbin’s job way too easy.
SJ44- Are you watching on YES? If so please dont read into that radar gun. CMW threw a slider that registered a 101 last night. Rodney hit 104 the other night. How can you possibly use that as a measurement of anything
Damon does NOT suck. He’s having a sub-par year, admittedly. Even when he’s not hitting well, he still makes pitchers work in every at-bat. Few lead-off hitters can duplicate his success in exhausting pitchers.
But he’s still a very valuable offensive player.
Did you forget his homerun and his triple last night?
How about the he almost single-handedly beat the Red Sox in those five games at Fenway last year?
“Imagine what our record would be if we won 1/4 of those games that we lost earlier this year. We’d far and away have the best record in mlb”.
Weak.
To quote the great Bill Parcells, “you are what you are.” Do you think that the Red Sox, Tigers, etc. haven’t had spells of losing to inferior teams?
Throw the changeup!!
“You can’t develop young pitchers without allowing them to go through their ups and downs.”
to godhelpus
I think you are right.
Kill Schill: BBB and I have a plan–when everyone was Damon bashing, he started doing better. So we bash him every so often, just to keep him on his toes.
Durbin di pitch the other day.
Granderson down 0 and 2, then a walk.. not good…..
Yes we faced Chad on Friday. He got the win.
Almost all TV and Stadium Radar Guns are at least 2-3 MPH fast.
Nibbling is his biggest problem. He needs to go after these guys
Bye, everyone.
Yes the MLB feed sucks today. Also, love how the Tigers’ announcers said “the Yankees don’t think they ever get a strike called. I mean, I know they have good eyes, but they just don’t like strikes”.
Comment made after Damon was called out. Um, dumbass, since when is the zone suppose to change from inning to inning? Isn’t a 1st inning strike suppose to be a 8th inning strike – for BOTH teams.
There really needs to be a rule or guidelines on hiring announcers for baseball games. They all sound like idiots from Fox News. Just kills me.
Anyone else notice the Giambino is paying tribute to Elvis today? What is up with those shades? Viva!
The Texas game didn’t spoil us. He’s a different pitcher right now because of the missed time.
Its ball one to everybody. He’s going to be very good. But, Pete’s right, its going to be a battle for him right now.
Look at it another way. If the original plan was for him to be in AAA this year, and he is now in the majors after missing three months of a season, how can anybody logically argue he’s doing “well” or get upset when folks like myself question the wisdom of putting him out there every fifth day when its clear he’s not ready?
As I type this, a leadoff walk to Granderson, which could become a double with the way the Tigers run.
He can’t locate pitches effectively. I don’t care what his future is, we are talking about his PRESENT.
Like it or not, his present is not very good right now.
That’s right I’m saying it: HUGHES GOES BEFORE MUSSINA IF HE STINKS.
You don’t kick out of the rotation a 16+ year veteran guy who’s given you 6 years of his career plus this year and who was good enough last year to be extended for 2 more years. He went 15-7 with a 3.51 ERA last year, what did Hughes do? Be endlessly hyped and annointed the next Roger Clemens. He is nowhere close to being Clemens let alone Wang or Pettitte, but that’s not a bad thing at all. Just stop hoping for a rushjob with Hughes cuz it really isn’t fair to him. One could argue he shouldn’t have even been called up so soon.
Yeah, Kill Schill, our Damon-bashing is in jest.. we’re just tryin’ to keep him motivated.
I for one would be upset if they traded him in the offseason…I love him in left and it would be the classic case of selling lower than we bought because of his struggles this year. He still has a lot left in the tank, he’s still a great leadoff and I want him to stay.
“Almost all TV and Stadium Radar Guns are at least 2-3 MPH fast.”
Give me logical factual evidence that tell me TV guns and sTadium guns are fast. Based on what???
I am watching the Tigers broadcast. The gun is 90-91, with a couple at 93.
I never follow the YES gun because its always off.
He’s throwing with the same velocity that he was throwing in Anaheim when he had a few pitches (mostly balls when he tries to muscle up) at 93, but most were 89-91.
Come on Phil you’re not supposed to do that!!
Stop throwin so mandy damn fastballs!!!!
Ugh…..
Yikes!! Either Hughes or Molina have to know that THAMES CAN’T HIT THE DAMN BREAKING BALL!!
Hughes doing his best Mike Mussina impression. This is ugly. It’s great that he’s getting to learn some tough lessons “on the job,” but a team fighting to stay in the WC race simply can’t afford this right now…
Tigers take 3 out of 4? Could be unless Mussina pulls off a miracle… And things were going so well when we left Cleveland. How quickly fortunes can change!
Poor Phil Hughes.
Phranchise with another meltdown.
he grooved that one
What ever happen to pitching according to situation? Right down the middle…again! Gone.
ugh
I thought Moose was pitching tomorrow.
2 big concerns in the rotation
I wouldn’t call ths a Mike Mussina impression. Moose doesn’t really give up a ton of home runs. His melt downs were just run after run after run.
Im not giving Hughes a pass, that was a terrible pitch. However, what was Jorge thinking calling that pitch in that spot.
You guys still want to tell me how great he is right now?
Time to get him out of there. At some point, its a waste to put somebody out there who can’t pitch at this level.
Its clear he can’t do it right now. Prolonging it is just dumb at this point.
5 runs, 3 HR’s and behind everybody in 2 1/3 innings. If you guys want to tell that’s great, go ahead.
He’s not ready to help this team the rest of the year. Its now the Yankees job to make sure he doesn’t hurt them the rest of the way.
That’s how you ruin a prospect.
They can’t keep digging us in a deep hole!!
dammit we really need this game….F^%&
Perfect example of a Young Pitcher working at the MLB level.
It comes, and it goes.
Sorry all you who are pissed at those of us questioning Phil but he ONLY has confidence in his Fastball.
No other pitch is consistently thrown for strikes.
You can’t do that. .249 hitter launching one like that, not a good sign.
Last time Moose pitched he was out of the game by now.
Mo: Jorge wasn’t thining much of anything–he’s on the bench.
Ouch. Phil Hughes is finding out that pitching to major league hitters isn’t the same thing as dominating in the minors…
Today “free MLB.tv”: what a crock. Today is the first time I tried to watch the game via MLB.tv, and I’m glad I never subscribed. I have a DSL connection at 1.5M download speed, and the picture was crappy today. I switched over to my bargain MLB.com radio-only subscription, and am watching via MLB’s GameDay. That’s good enough for me.
oops Molina sorry.
Boys time to pick Phil up!!
Thanks SJ for the actual gun readings. At 89-91 mph fastball, I fear we are going to have to suffer many more bad starts like this. He isn’t locating well enough or confident with the curve to consistently beat experienced major leaguers at that velocity.
The 2nd inning results were a little illusory as he got 2 gift outs from swings at balls up.
This is our ace prospect?! He throws BP fastballs one after another, and otherwise couldn’t find the plate with a map. He needs SEVERAL more years in the minors. I’m sorry, but this kid was over-hyped to the max.
I hope he doesn’t throw Thames a fastball again! He was sitting on that pitch the whole time. The location was fine. JUST DON’T THROW THAMES A FASTBALL!
WebmistressEMC : I have the same connection, mine looks great, not as great as TV but it def does the job, beats the hell outta radio even though the announcers are better
I dont’ know. I kind of thought they rushed Hughes up to the MLB. And I thought they kind of rushed him back after his injuries. So I’m not terribly surprised at any of this.
Oh well. Let’s put some runs on the board!
andrea, gotcha. Bash Damon then.
And this folks is why you all better be praying Mussina turns it around because if Hughes can’t get it done, I’m not liking Kennedys, or any other minor leaguers chances.
Mussina was right when he was quoted the other day “Who are they going to replace me with?”.
Or you can ruin a prospect by sending him down and crushing his confidence. Personally, I try not to quit on games in the first third of the game. Call me crazy.
Go to Edwar in the third and call up either White or Igawa (if he pitches well today in Scranton) for Hughes next start.
If you want to make the playoffs, you can’t have a kid who can’t pitch at this level yet trying to get you there. Plus, you run the risk of really ruining him because, I don’t care how good you are, getting shelled every 5 days hurts your confidence.
All you have to do is look at the other “it” prospect going into this year, Homer Bailey. He’s back in A ball right now.
I think Hughes has the chance to be very good. He is very bad right now. “Very bad” ain’t gettin’ you to the playoffs.
Get him out of the rotation after this one, and pray like hell Mike Mussina can resemble a pitcher tomorrow night.
we are NOT out of this game hughes choked a fat one, but we can score some runs
Afflack answer, Gary Sheffield?
The sky is falling!
Hughes fastball doesn’t seem to have that late explosiveness today that, evidently, is its hallmark.
SJ you are hystereical… relax watch the whole game.. you act like the yhave so many options/ the yanks have used; karstens, igawa, wright, and desalvo to name a few of there attempts for starting pitching .. all those guys stink and the present hughes is much better then all of them..
if you want him out you need to have a reasonable solution, so far I ahve heard none. I think at present moose is worse then him and we will see more manana, if so then replace him with Kennedy. If that occurs I am not very confident of good results…
the options are not many and they are not real good, I call me delusional think Hughes will get better.
I think the expectations for a 21 year old pitching in the majors are way too high. Rookies make rookie mistakes. Thats why they call them rookies. How many rookie pitchers come up and be consistent, especially in situations where you have the amount of pressure Hughes is under? I dont think too many. Especially being a rookie that has had 2 serious inmjuries this year. You just hae to have patience and that is not what Yankee fans or New Yorkers in general are known for. Its gonna be hard for many fans to deal with but you just cant say he is a bust. Rookies are what they are and for most pitchers it is inconsistent
now the Tigers announcers are bitching about Abreu stealing last night.
Shut up already.
SEVERAL more years in the minors, don’t you think that’s a bit extreme?! I think we can all agree that they rushed him up back in May, between that and his injuries, you honestly don’t think these things have any effect on the way he is pitching right now?
Chicago Dave: That’s not quite fair. you’re making him out to be on level with Kei Igawa. He wasn’t awful when he first came up–not great, but not awful. Unless he gives up a HR to everyone he faces from on, he’s no Kei.
Well, Homer Bailey was supposed to be “can’t miss” as well, and now he’s back in the minors getting his ass handed to him…So I guess the Yanks aren’t the only ones dealing with this situation… Although that’s cold comfort at the moment.
This is the first time in the history of baseball that a prized rookie prospect has struggled in his first year in the majors
C’mon Doomsday crowd, talking about “ruining a prospect” already?
Bob are you kidding me? The game was 7-2 not 17-2. The need some cheese.
Andrea: OK, let’s be serious here…Do you see how he’s pitching right now?! He IS Kei Igawa!!!
I am still a long way from considering Igawa over Hugehs. Don’t know about this guy White.
I also think he is likely our best option in this game to eat some innings. Can we at least get a couple back from this nobody with our 3-4-5 hitters?
Chris: I suppose it might have something to do with my video card — although my computer isn’t all that old (2 years) and I ordered upgrades on practically everything. Oh well.
Dave,
I don’t think he was over-hyped. I think we are seeing the effects of missing three months with leg injuries.
Power pitchers need their legs. He may be “healthy” but, he’s not in the condition he would have been had he not gotten hurt. Its impossible to be in condition and rehab at the same time.
Where you see it is in the lost velocity. A whole easier to make mistakes in the zone at 93-95, than it is at 89-91.
I don’t think he was overhyped but, I do think they are asking him to do more than he is capable of doing right now.
Right now, being the operative word.
Had he been healthy all season, he would be “Phil Franchise”, IMO.
Now? He’s just another 21 year old kid in a pennant race trying to learn on the job.
SJ you are certifiable. yeah Igawa or WHite..
I am not a pitching expert but I know 1 thing Igawa SUCKS…
HE SUCKS AND HAS PROVEN IT OVER MANY STARTS..
you lose credibility when you say stupid things like that..
I have never seen white but he is a 26 yr old career minor leaguer.. maybe he is good I have never seen him so have no opinion but Igawa is a solution??no way
So it’s o.k. to go high and tight and risk injury, but not o.k. to steal with a good lead? This crew is only slightly better than the White Sox crew.
Man I wish we could have 2 game threads, 1 for the Negative Nancies and one for us crazy effers that don’t give up on the game in its first third!
You watching the 700K or the 400K…i dunno what the free one is, but im on 700K its definately do-able. 400K is trash tho, if thats what u have…
I just went to MLB.com and re-watched Hughes’ start against Texas because I was curious to see what his velocity was. He was throwing consistently between 87-92 so I don’t really understand why everyone is worried about his velocity since coming back from the DL.
If you know anything about major league baseball, you can throw as hard as you want but if you can’t locate it you’re going to get hit. Kyle Farnsworth is a classic example of that. Hughes has made two bad pitches today and he’s paid for them…fastballs right down the middle to Guillen and Thames. I don’t care how hard you throw…against good hitters (big league hitters) you’re going to get hit unless you can locate.
The kid hasn’t pitched much this year and clearly isn’t as sharp as he was earlier in the year. Command and location aren’t skills that can be turned on and off. Look at pitchers in spring training…it takes time to get ready for the season. After spending so much time on the DL, Hughes is working his way back into form.
Yankee fans need to relax, be patient, and remember that Franchise is 21 and has a lot of years ahead of him barring a serious injury.
“August 26th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
SEVERAL more years in the minors, don’t you think that’s a bit extreme?! I think we can all agree that they rushed him up back in May, between that and his injuries, you honestly don’t think these things have any effect on the way he is pitching right now?”
Shhhh, the Doomsday crowd is out in full force. Nothing will stop em now! They don’t let things like Hughes being on the DL for THREE MONTHS bother them when it comes to discussions.
Sooo reactionary on this board. He may not be ready, but I think it has to do with the injuries. I saw Hughes in person last season, and he hit 95 and 96 consistently. I agree with SJ44, a bit of a lost season, but this kid is legit.
Dave- There is a big difference between him and Kei Igawa. Kei Igawa has NO upside and is almost 30 and makes an extreme salary. Phil Hughes is a rookie, 21, making a lower level salary. There is a tremendous difference. Would you rather develop your future or lose with a guy who has no upside, and wont get mush better
My computer is less than a year old with cable high speed. The MLB.TV picture quality is pretty bad for me. It’s just so dark you can hardly see the ball.
Giambi missed a fatty there. Should have been 5-4.
yes they are global, chill hes 21yrs old what u expect
I’m using the 700K connection too.
cano needs to get a damn hit..
hmm another soft tossing guy the yanks never seem, lucky ass detroit had a guy in there pen like that, thats unfortunate for us
Wow I wasn’t sure that was going. Robbie cano doncha know.
Yeah, this game is over. LOL
Chicago Dave: have you ever SEEN Kei Igawa pitch? Hughes has allowed 1 walk so far I think. The 5 runs on 3 HRs is really disconcerting, but this is the first game that has been this bad for him. His pitches are not ALL over the place. he is not Kei Igawa, and it’s kind of awful to compare him to Igawa.
He’s not great. I saw glimpses of a good pitcher in him when he first came up and I don’t really see that as much now. But he’s no Igawa.
CANO!
UU-NNNUUUUU
Stuart,
You can’t keep a kid in the rotation who can’t get outs. If you do, you can forget about the playoffs.
The kid is overmatched up here right now. The answer isn’t, “they don’t have anybody else”. That’s BS.
How do you know? What if Steve White can come up and give them 5 serviceable innings in a couple of starts? Would he not be an upgrade? How do we know he can’t? Too many people fear the unknown.
That doesn’t make Hughes a bust. But, to argue that he should stay in the rotation, when its clear he isn’t ready to assume such a role, is lunacy.
Call me crazy but, I think the Yankees have a few bodies who can produce better results in a short timeframe.
For those that said that Hughes is not a #1 but more of a #2 or #3 are looking more prophetic imo. I know that its a sacrilige to say this, but if Santana becomes available for Hughes/Tabata I would do it in a heartbeat. Not a bad starting staff:
#1: Santana
#2: Pettitte
#3: Joba
#4: Wang
#5: Mussina/Kennedy
YEA BABY!!! Way to wake up cano!! You are huge RIGHT HERE!!!!
431 feet. Nice job Robbie.
OK that wasn’t an 0-2 swing. Good to see Robby actually treat a bad 2-0 pitch like a bad 2-0 pitch.
Almost like he knew a change was coming, despite the count.
Robbie! 3-run blast.
Also, let’s remember something…Hughes wasn’t billed to be your run-of-the-mill rookie SP. He was proclaimed to have the best stuff of anyone on the Yankee staff coming out of spring training, and he has widely been written about for several years as if he is the second coming of a young Roger Clemens. Sorry, but that’s the reality…When a kid is pumped up this much for this long and then he pitches like this… Yes, I think he needs a lot more time in the minors.
Now, on the other side of the coin…Yes, he was definitely brought up too soon, and he is still recovering from the after-effects of being injured, but this is simply not a guy the Yanks can afford to be throwing out there every fifth day right now.
Does anyone remember Jose Rijo? Another guy that was brought up way too soon, and he ended up needing several more years to mature into a major league pitcher. I think the same is true of Hughes.
Wow. Mistake pitches on both sides now…
That’s as hard as Robbie can hit it, good eye Robbie!
Most excellent!
Dont ya know Robbie Cano
Cano he didn’t! yes he did!
I don’t get it? Why didn’t we take the team off the field after Hughes first inning? :;
ROBBIE CANO, DONTCHYA KNOW!!!
He did what I was expecting from Giambi!!
yea its a lil dark, but im not complaining i live in jersey so i have no way of seeing YES
I don’t consider the first one a homerun. Mats played that from either an out, double to a homerun.
BBB: I totally agree. 2 threads.
Bob, this is what I am talking about. The announcers for Detroit just suck.
Anyone who thought Kay/Sterling were homers, these Detroit announcers make those two sound like objective outsiders. Had to go back to radio and listen to Sterling/Whiney.
ALL RIGHT!!! HUGHSIE, gotta bear down now, babe. The offense redeemed you; you have to repay the favor.
Hughes needs “several” more years in the minors? You have to be kidding. He’s not terrible right now…he’s not good, but he’s not terrible. Besides that, he is the best option we have right now.
Also you’re acting like they are out of this game already…as cano hits a three run home run.
In the several years you want him in the minors, he will probably win a cy young
Hey TKinDC
The Yankees making the postseason is more important that Hughes’ feelings. His psyche could be damaged? Like it isn’t already possibly (3 HR vs. the Tigers, who spanked him again).
Time to give Ian Kennedy a shot.
Hahaha Cano juuust gets one over the CF wall for a 3-run HR.
Hughes has to buckle down cuz this is truly a gift.
/b oh yes /b
Andrea: I said he’s pitching like Igawa TODAY. Tell me how I’m wrong about that…
again SJ I am not the expert. nor have I seen hughes before his Major league starts. and everything you say about the leg injuries may be accurate. My point is simple if you remove him from the rotation which I think is a bad idea you need to replace him with a guy who has a higher probability of succes and I do not see who that person is.
My arguement is simple… With Moose it is different, he cannot strike anyone out, is 38, and when guys fade if he is often then run off a cliff… that is my point.
Stuart,
If Igawa “sucks” as you say, what would you call kid who has given up 3 HR’s and 5 runs in 3 innings of work?
Or, a kid who has given up 10 runs in his last 8 innings?
That’s what Hughes has done, to date, on this roadtrip.
The bottom line is, you can argue chapter and verse how “good” he is but, that’s projecting the future.
Right now, as I said Monday night, he is a liability in this rotation. Its what happens when you are 21, in your first year, and has missed most of the season with injuries.
As far as “creditibity” is concerned, I don’t know, seems to me I’ve been pretty spot on re: Hughes and his struggles to date.
How is Hughes going to magically become a Cy Young pitcher within the next couple of years? I don’t get the logic there…
Don’t Ya Know, Robbie Cano ! What a blast !
And what timing– I was just coming on here to say ‘wow’ over Al-Yankzeera’s (YES) brutal slaying of Mike Mussina.
But, I do agree with Kay, even though he has personal beef with Moose over an ‘01 interview gone bad.
For 2 years and, what– $22, $23 MILLION ? I’m not saying Ian Kennedy or Alan Horne would do any better in Moose’s slot, but Mussina has to step up or step out.
He’s an arrogant little jerk too, from what I’ve heard privately and read publically.
need more breaking pitches!!!!!
Pudge thrown out. GOOD!
Chicago Dave: there’s a difference between saying he needs “some more time” in the minors and saying he needs “several more years” in the minors.
How come everyone seems to think Santana will be a Yankee next year? Not that I’d be against it, but is there a good chance of it or something?
stuart igawa has no control, hugges has more control today than he has all year, more than any igawa start
Pudge thrown out for arguing balls and strikes?
Anyone know where you can get counts on first pitch strikes for the Yankees pitchers?
LOL, now we’re talking about trading Hughes. Is he really that bad?
as i say that he goes 3-1 on casey
Care to share Shamus? As i’ve said before i’ve met him a number of times and he has always been very nice.
Theres no magic involved, its called development
and i dont mean a cy young next year or the year after, im talking 4 or 5 years down the road
THat was a nice sequence by PH against that scrubinni Robelo. I like the way he hangs in there and battles even after giving up some bombs, and clearly not having the stuff he is used to. I just don’t feel like we get the same from Kei or even Mussina when the chips are down. That is why I still like PH in this rotation with this offnese, even though he’s clearly not on the top of his game right now.
Throw the change!
5 fastballs to Casey in a row by Hughes
God, why so many fastballs?
Hughes is no lock -
You misunderstand my point – Hughes needs to pitch better, just like Moose does (just like CMW before last night). I am just saying that you can’t pretend you are dealing with “stat sets” when you are managing a team.
Hughes has big potential and I think the best way to tap it is to stick with him. Others disagree which is fine, a matter of opinion I guess.
If you are going to develop talent, you have to accept inconsistency and hope that it is worth it.
chris. I am not a fan of Igawa do not worry… I would trade him to SD if I could
Phew, I thought that might be gone.
Molina needs to start mixing the pitches up. Somebody needs to tell him that Hughes has to throw the change up to be successful.
Chicago Dave, dont you think you are being a bit rash? Look at the years for Gallardo, Andrew Miller, Bailey, even Lincecum at times. These guys sometimes take time, and often that time should be spent in the majors. Hughes had nothing left to learn in the minors. The injuries have hurt his velocity and the repeatability of his motion, which has killed the command on his FB and made him not confident in his change. I agree that he should not be here now, but not because he is not ready, only because he is not conditioned properly for this stretch run. But anybody who has watched Yankee minor league games over the last few years couldve told that Hughes looks injured.
Chicago Dave: if nothing else, in terms of walks. I only recall 1 walk by Hughes. Igawa walked like every other batter. Igawa’s games were painful to watch. This game isn’t painful. The balls that go out are unfortunate, but not painful.
It’s easy to get a sick feeling knowing that Mussina will pitch tomorrow. You can hear the excuse now. “I just didn’t feel right out there”.
White soxs are being no hit by Freddy Kruger.
Gotinto CAsey’s kitchen there, even though he was keyed to the fastball. Didn’t really give in but also didnt walk him. I liked the approach that inning, not just the results.
Bailey is in A ball because he is rehabbing from a groin injury. Hughes is going to struggle, that is the way it is. Either you can let him struggle in the Bronx or you can have him learn nothing in AAA.
Hughes can’t keep falling behind in the count. He has to start throwing strikes.
And it’s not Molina’s fault, since Phil is shaking him off to throw fastballs.
Hughes threw 11 fastballs in a row in that inning. He cant locate anything else.
ur kiddin me jenn, taveras is throwin a no no??
white sox are brutle man…
Pitchers need time. look at the stats for all the great pitchers..
bedard took a few yrs… Minnesota is starting to play well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again if you dump hughes and moose who replaces them, and be realistic and provide a solution not a continuation of the problem..
“How is Hughes going to magically become a Cy Young pitcher within the next couple of years? I don’t get the logic there…”
Just a lil perspective here, Clemens in his rookie year went 9-4 in 20 starts with a 4.32 ERA and I am assuming did not sustain the kind of injuries Hughes did (although I was only 4 then so I dunno what his circumstances were)
2 years later he won the Cy Young and MVP. I am not saying Hughes will do this, but pleeease, perspective!!
Greg Maddux 5.52 and 5.61 ERA in his first two years respectively
Smoltz 2-7 w/a 5.48 ERA
Good thing these guys’ teams didn’t give up on them and send them back to the minors for several more years huh???
yeah thinking ahead to tomorrow. you get a sick feeling. this is a huge game.
JOHNNY DAMON’S A BUM!
oh first inning LOL
Maybe Pudge was just tired of Bobby A. showing him up on the basepaths?
To the person posting as Sweeny Murti:
Please don’t do that. No impersonating famous people here. Or Sweeny for that matter. Thanks.
its only the 2nd inning, but yeah the white sox are horrible
And Hughes winning a CY Young in the next 3 yrs, not so crazy. Look at Bedards numbers from 3 years ago. Some guys are Verlander, instantly good, some are Bedard.
jennifer: why is Freddy starting again?
It is only the first inning, but I am trying to jinx him
In the pitch sequence to Carlos Guillen for the 3 Ru HR, it did appear that Hughes delivery and arm action was different when he threw a fastball vs the curve. It just appears that his arm action is slower when he throws the off-speed pitches. The Detroit announcers on MLB.TV also mentioned it.
Tipping off pitches like that is certainly going to get him into trouble. He appeared to be doing the same in the Anaheim game also when ge gave up the 3 run double before settling down.
I just hope that Guidry or Clemens work with him to resolve this immediately.
Well, Molina needs to take control of the situation.
lol who is posting as murti?
Michael Kay just said Leyland had to fashion 7 innings out of his bullpen. It is right now the 5th. Does he know something we don’t?
What are these guys bitching about, the Yankees have had been dealing with those calls all day, all series in fact.
You’d think that if mlb was trying to promote this mlb.tv package then you’d at least ask the crew to make positive comments about the teams and the game. Instead they’re pissing and moaning at every opportunity. They’re probably thinking there’s a big Yankee-hater demographic out there.
actually most pitchers that start of like phenoms actually fade.. the great ones improve and learn. kinda like most of the posters here should have learned in school!!!!!
Santana was a rule 5 pickup do we need to say anything else??????????
Oswalt picked in the 20th round and the stories go on and on and on…….
Curt SHilling took yrs. to become the great pitcher he was and the same with the big unit.. don’t you guys know this?????????????
I think it would literally be physically impossible for the Pale Hose to suck any more arse than they do right now. What are people like Jim Thome & Konerko even doing? Sleepwalking through the season? I mean you can’t tell me guys like that can’t win their team a few games here and there…
Pete
Nice bank shot dig at poor Sweeny – it is bad enough Francessa holds him personally responsible for no WS since he arrived!
Time for Bobby to work a walk!
Andrea I guess he was referring to the inning that the starter was taken out.
he will have such a better year next year its not even funny
The question is, how wouldn’t want to be Sweeny Murti?
I’d trade my law degree for his job? Except they’d fire me after a week because I’d be all over Erika Herskovitz.
Well, it depends on how strong Hughe’s psyche is…If he can stand being beaten up at the ML level for a few years, then fine, keep him up. However, I personally do think there is value in having him pitch longer (and, yes, potentially a couple year longer) at the minor league level. I disagree with people who say there’s nothing more for him to learn there…
If the CWS lose again today, they should change their name to the Chicago Powderpuff Girls, put on pink tutus, and admit “You’re my daddy, you’re my daddy, EVERYONE’S my daddy.” If they lose to Freddy “I’m almost as ugly as Kevin Youkilis” Krueger, they should all be slashed across the face with the knife-hand glove. Gah, what a bunch of dogs. At least give those Boston beans a run of it.
chicago dave: a few years? I don’t think it’llb e athat long.
Dave,
look what he did in his rehab starts at AAA. He dominated with a not so great fastball. IMO, there is nothing for him to learn there.
How can a .306 hitter with 43 HR’s and 123 RBI’s ground out there. We should trade him or DFA him ☺
He’s not going to get beat up for a few more years. He’s showing sign of how good he can be already. Did you catch the 2nd inning today? Kei Igawa never had an inning like that. Eventually he will have more innings like that, he’s still a kid
Joba has spoiled us
Just as an aside, Giambi’s middle name is Gilbert. Good stuff. Gilbert Giambi.
“Today “free MLB.tvâ€?: what a crock. Today is the first time I tried to watch the game via MLB.tv, and I’m glad I never subscribed. I have a DSL connection at 1.5M download speed, and the picture was crappy today. I switched over to my bargain MLB.com radio-only subscription, and am watching via MLB’s GameDay.”
Some cheese with your whine?
Andrea – I’d say two years for sure before Hughes will start to show his true potential on a regular basis. Somebody brought up Bedard earlier…I think that’s a valid comparison, and it took him a few years to get where he’s at now…
Wilson ain’t no gold glover, that is for sure.
Get well soon Derek. Exhibit A why 230 lb SS’s aren’t in vogue. Easy play, messed up. Let’s hope it doesn’t lead to an inning.
No hitter gone:D game tied at 1
Hahahaha, GILBERT?! You are sh-tting me!!
That’s even better than Wil Nieves’ full first name being Wilbert!
A good sign on Hughes is that even with his struggles this year, you haven’t really smelled that rank wusiness, or seen that fear that we’e seen on some of the other guys thrown out there (Desalvo “the hunted Deer look”, Homer Wright, Iguana, et al.). Overall, I still feel good about Hughsie.
I dont exactly understand this whole ian kennedy thing – he is older than Hughes and Chamberlain and has more professional and college experience combined than both of them. Hes got the best numbers in all of the minor leagues and was pitching better in double and triple A than chamberlain was. I realize he has pitched 160 plus innings already but why cant he at the very least come up in september and bolster the pen or make a couple of starts in place of Moose if Moose struggles in his next start. It would only add 20 more innings tops to a guy thats only at 160. Is 180 too much for him? He was pitching a ton of innings in college a couple of yrs ago was he not? If you have the amazing prospects in triple A, why not bring them up in sept.?
They keep saying Hughes needs a third pitch he can throw for a strike – i thought he has a plus plus curve, a plus fastball and a plus change. And he can throw a slider if he wants – before he developed the curve, it was his best pitch.
But Bedard was a solid number 3 in the AL during that time.
Incredibly ignorant of Michael Kay to put Al Leiter in that position.
Of course Joba is great. We know that.
Back off of Hughes, lord.
Stupid, stupid people.
Gilbert. Now thats funny.
Good impression of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man by Betemit there. Betemit at corner IF, good, at SS not so good.
adkwriter–Yeah, Michael Kay is becoming very annoying and is obviously an a-hole.
I’m really getting sick of Granderson.
If molina throws it dead on and the runner still isnt tagged out, will he ever thrown any one out?
This umpire needs to find some consistency.
OK, we need some runs!
adk –
Sure, Mantle has hit a lot of hr’s, but Maris hit more!
Kay = knuckle dragging moron
5 innings for hughes.. call me a koolaid drinker I like what I see…
he is a keeper and has star written all over him..
Igawa is 27, hughes turned 21 a month ago, his game against Texas he was actually 20.
people he is going to be real good, do not listen to the naysayer gun watchers……
what is Phil’s pitch count? I don’t know about letting him go another inning, he always seems to struggle in the fifth and sixth innings.
I don’t know why its so hard for people, especially Michael Kay, to realize that when somebody misses as much time as Hughes did with leg injuries, and is a power pitcher, you lose something.
Its clear when you see him be unable to throw any off speed pitches or curveballs for strikes and not be able to ramp up velocity when he needs it.
It doesn’t make the kid overrated, overhyped or a bust. Its just reality.
He’s a kid who would have been in AAA for most, if not all this season.
Unfortunately, due to a poor job this team did in the off-season with their pitching choices, he is being rushed into a role he isn’t ready for yet.
As someone correctly stated, he has shown toughness. That’s a plus.
However, comparing him to Joba is unfair for two important reasons. One, Joba pitches one inning. Lots of people can pitch one inning. Hughes is a starter. Its apples and oranges.
Two, Chamberlain has been healthy all year. Hughes has not. A BIG difference.
I don’t think he should be in the rotation but, he’s no bust. Far from it.
Its just too much, too soon, given the injuries this year.
He’s thrown 86 pitches.
is bobby seay an effective reliever or do you the Yankees only make him seem as such.
I thought the Tigers have a weak bullpen, apart from Rodney and Zumaya.
Can Kay get anymore excited about the opposing player catching the ball?
Kay is waxing poetic about Magglio. It is disgusting.
Hughes has 86 pitches…
anyone know whether Jeter is available to pinch-hit today?
SJ, if you don’t think Hughes should be in the rotation, who would you replace him with? What is your take on Steve White? If he’s 26 and in the minors obviously he won’t blow anyone away but do you think he has enough to get the job done?
Right now, Matsui’s misplayed ball in the 1st is the difference. May have scrored anyway, but may not have scored 3 in that inning.
gotta go all.. enjoy the day let’s hope for a win..
no one provided a reasonable solution to removing Phil from the rotation, I notived that..
MKay is a canker sore on the face of humanity.
Hughes will be fine and is better than Mussina right now (I have seen very few pitchers torched as badly as Moose was last time out-that was a one after tghe other line drive fest). Hughes is also probably safer than going to kennedy right now.
That said, I had to bench Hughes on my fantasy team after today for (ugh), Barry Zito. I need Chris Young or Ben Sheets to come back soon, as I can’t rely on Zito.
Actually, Hughes reminds me of Sheets. Sheets has great control, a decent fastball, injuries galore. A very good pitcher, not necessarily a reliable ace. Not saying Phil can’t get there.
I am killing myself for not drafting Joba earlier. He looks phenomenal, and much better pure stuff than Phil.
Five innings, 3 HR’s, 5 runs and hasn’t thrown very many first pitch strikes today. Not good. Sorry, its not.
No doubt he has potential. But, to say he has “star” written all over him for his 5 innings of work today is a bit much.
That means we are taking a kid with a 3 HR, 9 ERA performance today and calling him a “star”? That’s crazy.
Let’s not get carried away about praising him just yet.
Its that kind of excessive praise of him that makes expectations get out of kilter.
Do the Yankees tie or take the lead in the 7th, 8th, or 9th?
Phil has had a strong few innings.
I think the difference right now is not the Matsui play, he prob scores anyway. Calling an 0-1 fastball to Thames, a dead fastball hitter, is what makes this from a quality start to a below average one.
Maybe it hasnt been the most effective 6 innings but Hughes has shown that he has guts. He beared down and eaten up innnings and saved the pen. He could have just as easily folded and gotten taken out after 3 innings or so. This is how you know he is gonna be a good pitcher.
I feel like Hughes constantly has games where he lets up almost no hits and every base runner scores.
Hughes has finished strongly; it would be nice for him to get the win, but the Yankees have the bottom of the order coming up. Here’s hoping…
Phil cannot throw his fastball that many times in a row, even if it is to Mike Rabelo. If you throw your fastball too much major league hitters will eventually catch up, especially when the ball is “only” coming in at 91-92mph.
Mo- Plus you have to remember that inside the park homerun. If Matsui catches it, it is a 4-4 game. A lot of left fielders make that play.
Gator is giving Phil an earful.
SJ -
Next year when Joba is a starter and he goes through a rough patch (like allowing a run) are we going to have to deal with the same mess? I assume you have seen a ton more baseball than me, but I am amazed at the microwave mentality you bring to young pitchers.
“But, to say he has “starâ€? written all over him for his 5 innings of work today is a bit much.” – STRAW MAN
Go Yanks!
BBB,
We have to see how Mussina does tomorrow. If he pitches poorly, the Yankees have a big problem.
I feel bad for Hughes. You can see the potential. But, you can also see what the missed time has done to him.
Its why the Yankees have to be praying Mussina shows something tomorrow.
Watching Red Sox and White Sox. Man JD Drew was a great signing by the Red Sox.
Well at least we are beating up their pen. Jorge should ph for Jose.
Even though it had an unfortuitous ending, that was a helluva AB by Betemit.
WHAT IS SOO CRAZY ABOUT BRINGING ABOUT KENNEDY IN SEPT. Some one please fill me in on this.
He did hit a homerun today.
A minor point:
How did Betemit get #14 and Hughes and Joba get #63 and #65?
No justice! No peace!
Here comes Zumaya…CMON YANKS!! Make him wish he never tore the cellophane wrapping off Guitar Hero!
Interesting stat – Phil let up two homers in his first 33 innings in the major leagues and somehow he let up 3 homers just today. I thought his fastball was supposed to be 94 consistently. What happened to his velocity?
unfortuitous? why BBB is breaking out Roget’s??? You go girl!
Joba is 62, he wants the numbers to add up to 8.
If we loose this game it will be one of those tough to swallow loses we get a lot of advantages like the starting battery being out after 2/3 innings and the Tiger bullpen coming in and we cant get 1 run to at least tie the game.
I dont get why we keep going on about how fast Phil throws. First off, you dont need to throw 98 like Joba to be effective. Secondly, I cant use these TV radar guns as accurate sources of his pitch speeds. Especially the YES one which reads one pitch at 57 and the next at 104. Last start for Phil was on ESPN and the ANgels telecast. He was consistently at 93-4 and reached back to 96 when needed. I think think you have to split the difference and say he is consistently at 92-93. YES should figure out the gun or stop using it. Why not put Jorge up now???
Hughes wanted a number with a 5.
Why is Jose hitting?
yankees bats gotta back up those scorless innings hughes finished off with. lets go yanks
Haha TK, I am trying to use 10-cent words to bring good vibes to the Moose for tomorrow. Maybe I will even do (er, attempt) the Sunday crossword in pen later!
Joel needs to groom that goatee, it is disgusting.
The AB’s today have been just pathetic.
Agree about the goatee and I was just thinking how disturbingly huge his nostrils are, too.
“WHAT IS SOO CRAZY ABOUT BRINGING ABOUT KENNEDY IN SEPT. Some one please fill me in on this.”
It’s called an innings limit you fing morons. We’re already putting Joba over where he should be this season based on his past IP. No reason to risk Kennedy, too.
Hopefully Moose gets a 3 letter word for victory! and not a 7 letter word for “Treated Oysters” (shelled)
Lets watch how a close game becomes a blowout.
Dave- What happened to his velocity? Maybe being on the DL for 3 months?? Hughes di not hurt his arm but his legs. A pitcher like Hughes gets most of his power from his strong legs. His legs are healthy now, but healthy is not midseason form. You have to think when his legs are as strong as they can get, he will pick up his velocity and will become effective.
TK,
The reality is, Hughes is pitching without his bullets. If you want to make the playoffs, you have to pitch your way there and the Yankees are falling short in that department. Unfair to Hughes, but that’s the way it is.
He is a work in progress and that’s awfully tough to do when you are with a team trying to make the playoffs.
Add in the 3 months he has missed, and that’s a big hill to climb.
I am well aware of the growth curve for young pitchers. I am also well aware of seeing a kid when pitch when he isn’t ready to be a consistent contributor. I see Hughes as a kid with potential, who has had a lost year in his development, and is ill-suited to help this team make the playoffs this year.
Nothing in his starts since his return has made me think differently about that stance. He just isn’t ready.
This was not a good performance today. He strung together a few good innings. However, you can’t keep putting your team in 2-3 run holes, which he does in his starts, early in games.
It doesn’t mean he won’t be a good pitcher down the road. However, right now, he’s not somebody who will help pitch this team to the playoffs, IMO.
awful offensive performance today, borderline embarrassing. in the tigers bullpen in the second inning and you let them toss up zeroes in four of five innings. with impatient, weak at bats. unusual, and not the day we needed this.
You hafta pinch hit posada at some point – all we need right now is one run and we cant seem to get it off their middle relief pitching. Zumaya’s numbers look extremely subpar compared to last yr – i guess he was pitching hurt. I love how their hasnt been one game this yr where the starting nine were damon jeter abreu arod giambi matsui posada cano melky. Yet, in the playoffs, that will probably be the lineup every game. These are must win games- u gotta put out your best nine sometimes. Not every day obviously as people need rest but at least put in eight of those nine each day.
I guess I was so focused on that digusting goatee.
Good match for Farnsworth. He could easily go 1-2-3 if he throws strikes.
“WHAT IS SOO CRAZY ABOUT BRINGING ABOUT KENNEDY IN SEPT. Some one please fill me in on this.�
It’s called an innings limit you fing morons. We’re already putting Joba over where he should be this season based on his past IP. No reason to risk Kennedy, too.
Chill out man.
this pitching change brought to you by the back and neck pain specialists. how ironic
John Sterling special: as the inning ended he said, “The Yankees went down on 4 pitches that inning.” Hey John, Betemit struck out on about 10 for the first out. He later corrected himself but still, how does this crap come out of his mouth?
I know the guy was a little harsh. Not everyone knows about the innings cap on the kids.
See, thats just it. The stadium gun gets Kyle at 98 and YES has him at 95. Thats just what im talking about
Cause he doesn’t watch the games.
Other than 3 mistake pitches, Phil pitched pretty good. 6 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 6 K. That’s a quality line and very promising for the future.
Farnsworth has already thrown so many strikes in one inning he’s over his limit now.
You guys remember the truck driver reliever you were talking about yesterday? Well it’s more like ZZ-Top.
Also, remember the squeeze bunt by Texas? It was an unbelievable play. You guys should find the highlight. If the batter missed it, he’d be in the hospital right now with a ball to the face.
I saw that bunt. Totally insane!! First time I saw it I thought it hit him in the chest.
Noice, Farnsy w/the 3-pitch K!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Other than 3 mistake pitches, Phil pitched pretty good. 6 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 6 K. That’s a quality line and very promising for the future.
Thats the dumbest post I’ve seen in a while. Sorry Adam, I’m sure you forgot to think.
SJ – I think we kind of agree about where Hughes is and I disagree with you, respectfully, about what to do about it. I don’t see a better option and I am not too upset about what he is putting out there.
I think he will benefit more from doing C- work at this level than fanning a bunch of AAA players.
More to you point about the Yankees now, I would puke if Igawa is on the hill again this year. I would vote Moose “off the island” before messing with Hughes.
Lots of pitchers are not great immediately – Santana pitched to a 6.49 era his first year. I just think that New York has to be able to live with a bad outing or two or three as we adjust the way that we develop talent.
wow Kyle looks awesome, 99 on the outside corner at the knees…wowow!!
“you’re not going to hit that fastball, 99 on the black at the knees, god can’t even hit that” – tigers announcers.
wow….
Nice sequence to Inge.
Those 2 pitches could have been called strikes.
Farnsworth pitching well???????
Could the jinx officially be lifted off the Yanks?
I’m impressed. Nice inning by Krazy Kyle.
adam, whats a fing moron and why are you being so rude when i was asking a simple question? I probably know more about the yanks minor leaguers than you and kennedy is up to 147 innings for the year – he topped out at 117 in college. Your telling me he cant throw 20 more innings this yr? I dont believe it. Pitchers are just babied these days – u dont force a pitcher to jump up 100 innings from the prior yr but when a pitcher pitched for three yrs in college as a starter and has been in the minor leagues for two yrs already – i think he cant throw 160 innings without breaking anything.
BBB: Looking at Betemit, it was a great AB by Betemit CONSIDERING it was from his right side.
Betemit strikes out alot from both sides of the plate, but he’s especially vulnerable from the right. 16 Ks in 35 AB from the Right this year.
I’ve switch-hit before in my High-school days and I wonder somtimes if Betemit is one of those guys who was taught to hit lefty when he was young and only recently began hitting righty again. It happens, often in the early years when a natural righty turns around to bat lefty when he’s young because of the power generated from his drag-hand (where your power comes from) and the shorter distance/drag swing going to first. Because there are so many more right-handed pitchers than left-handed when you’re young, most of those “switch” hitters completely neglect their right-handed swings. If that happens, you can’t just turn around in the majors (when there are ALOT more lefties) and assume you can hit.
GREAT inning from Farnsy!
Re: Hughes
At some point you’ve gotta let the kid pitch. Keeping him in AAA wasn’t going to help him, because he was untouchable there. Taking whatever bumps will come now will pay off when Hughes, the 26-year-old 5-year veteran is starting opening day 2012. But you also have to recognize and accept that days will happen where he isn’t tremendously sharp.
Kyle is looking fan-freakin-tastic lately.
Good lord he threw that last slider at 92 mph…that is nasty.
GREAT pitching by Kyle.
this game is making me ill with anxiety. The Yankees HAVE TO FIND a way to scratch a run to tie this game. They can’t lose today with Mussina pitching against Verlander tomorrow.
Good afternoon everyone! I just got in. This could be a good opportunity to at least tie it up, 2-3-4 hitters here!
farnsworth really seems like a different pitcher since getting dropped out of the 8th spot
hey pete, any update on who took farnsworth’s uni and is pitching with 48 on their back?
my word, delivery looks smoother, not trying to throw the ball through the backstop, LOCATING everything and mixing in sliders for strikes and swings and misses.
seriously, totally different pitcher. what a bonus he would be if he pitches like this.
Tk,
I don’t disagree. All I am saying is, you can’t have two guys in a rotation whom you can’t count on for wins down the stretch and expect to make the playoffs. Its too tough a mountain to climb in the AL, IMO.
I am all for development, hell I wrote on this board Joba could help the Yankees in June.
However, it seems to me they are pushing the envelope with Hughes. He doesn’t look ready to be able to win up here yet.
JMO on the issue.
I think that’s 6 or 7 straight scoreless outings for Kyle now. He’s helping them at the right moment of the season.
I despise Torre’s bullpen usage sometimes as much as anyone, esp. when it comes to pitcher abuse…but let’s give credit where it’s due: Farnsworth is actually becoming a semi-reliable reliever again, and I dare say Torre must’ve had a lot to do with it, slowly inserting him back into “more” important situations (in spite of the pundits here getting on his case every time he does so) and massaging his ego.
Who would a true reasonable fan rather have, a Farnsworth who rediscovers his effectiveness, or a run fairy that one can call Torre names on msg boards about?
DON’T SLIDE INTO 1ST DAMMIT!!!!!
Okay pound it into Melks head. DON”T SLIDE HEAD FIRST!! GEEZ He might have been sage if he didn’t.
I was already assuming that was a hit. Melky started sliding 10 feet from the base.
Does melky realize that diving to 1B does not get you there faster?
John Sterling said the ball richoted off his glove. lol, I must be listening at the wrong time. The ball clearly went off Zumaya’s foot. I don’t listen to the radio that much, he is always this dumb and completely out of it?
They keep telling Melky not to slide into first and he keeps doing it. Cost himself another hit.
Another guy who just doesn’t seem to want to listen.
Put Damon in Center tomorrow. Maybe he will listen after that. A dumb, false hustle play.
how many times can melky be told to stop sliding into first?
Ricochet*
Pete said a few weeks ago that Melky had been told not to slide into first base, it looks like they may have to read him the riot act next time.
we r running out of outs …
I agree Foobar, Torre’s use of Farnsy has been great and I’m sure has a lot to do with his recent turnaround. I have to say I am proud of Krazy Kyle, the one person on the roster who I thought was an absolute loser and could never turn it around, seems to have done just that.
I will not jinx A=rod by asking for a tater
is it just me or did it take melky forever to get down to first?
“a pitcher pitched for three yrs in college as a starter and has been in the minor leagues for two yrs already”
First of all, it’s been proven that increasing a young pitcher’s workload over 30 innings from his previous high increases the risk of injury. Second, if you follow the minors so closely you would know this was Ian’s first full season of professional baseball. He threw only through a few innings in HWL last year.
aaaaaaaahhhhh. Dammit it’s gettin late early. Feels like we were JUST in the 5th/6th…
Same problem. This team cannot hit good pitching in a big spot. Well at least we have one shot at Todd Jones in the 9th.
Well, time to root for Texas tonight as this team continues to play as if they don’t want to make the playoffs.
Let’s hope Seattle can lose today and tomorrow. It will minimize the damage from an awful roadtrip.
On the plus side, if there’s any one pitcher the Yankees should hit, it’s Todd Jones. Let’s just hope they can keep it 5-4.
Well, feel like that was it. Yanks will face Jones in the 9th. Matsui, Giambi, Cano. No pinch hitting coming… this loss sucks!
100 more like 10,000 is what the fine should be.
wow, this is a must game. must!!!
Am I the only one who still dosent trust Kyle Farnsworth?
Zumaya still owns Arod.
i know, master of the obvious, but we could be 4 back of the WC after Moose drops dead tomorrow.
If it is indeed a loss it does indeed SUCK. there is NOTHING more annoying than a 1 run loss when the difference in the game comes on a misplayed ball and we outhit them 7-4. If the game ends like this, it will truly be ass.
i don’t know who the color guy is on MLB.TV for the Tigers, but he is a dolt!
If Fransy keeps pitching like this, how about a couple starts down the stretch for Joba. A killer 1-2-3 in the pen (plus Viz) does nothing if the starters are giving up 5 or 6 every time out.
People who quit on games when we’re 1 run down and the opposing closer is Todd Jones need to stop watching and more importantly STOP POSTING!
This is now looking a lot like the Colarado/Giants/Baltimore roadtrip from earliere in the year. You had a good vibe coming from the team and then they just stunk it up on the road.
Where is Coach Phil??? Farnsworth drills corners and DOMINATES. Movement not necessary.
adam, its his second yr in the minors and his first full yr. Does that somehow negate the fact that he pitched 117 innings in one yr in college. Who says increaing workload by 30 innings is okay but 50 innings is horribly detrimental? Pitchers used to pitch 400 innings no problem but now young pitchers cant pitch more than thirty innings from the previous yr. Im not asking him to come up and be abused. But if he is called up to get a taste and kept on a short leash for the month – like a 15 or 20 IP limit and no back to back days – he should be fine. Everyone acts like these kids are babies that have never pitched in their life. Both kennedy and chamberlain have pitched well over 100 innings in college. I dont see why people make such a huge deal over this stuff.
Sometimes I love that there aer girls commenting on this board. We comment on goatees, nostrils,and which Yankees we’d like to be our boyfriends.
The goatee really is disgusting. Proctor has grown chin hair since migratine west. It seems as soon as someone loses his pinstripes, out come the chin pubes.
I will say this apprehensively, because I am not condeming what Alex has done for our team this season. I am more than well aware that, if it was not for him… we wouldn’t be even in contention. For anything.
but I am going to say it: it seems like he gets intimidated by the moment as the season has weared on. Against Cleveland, in April… he can hit home runs in the ninth to win games. There’s still a lot of season left. But facing Zumaya right there… just now… as soon as he went down in the count, with the crowd getting into it… it just seemed more than likely that he was going to try and get into the next pitch. And, with someone who can throw a pretty nasty breaking ball with a good 12-6 motion… what do you think they’re going to throw?
I am not saying that he’s a horrible player. I am not stating that he should be batting 8th again. I’m saying that, for a player with unbelievable talent and such a good head on his shoulders… he should be intimidating others. Not being psyched out.
I’ll say this to end: I hope he proves me wrong. And it may sound hypocritical, but I don’t think so… but I hope that he stays.
go Yanks.
go get Jones.
Zumaya owns A-Rod in all THREE ABs he’s seen him in?
0-11 since Leyland brought in Seay in the fifth.
In the 9th, I probably wouldn’t pinch hit for Bentemit with Jeter because DJ is in a skid and Bentemit will be hitting from his good side. Posada for Molina is obviously a no-brainer.
Yeah, a comeback off Tod Jones is not impossible. Viz needs to keep it here though
maybe I’m wrong… maybe it’s more what Lawnmower said.
maybe this TEAM just can’t hit good pitching in a close game. Maybe it’s not just Underdog.
Vince,
Yes we could be 4 back after tomorrow, or we can come back and win today, win tomorrow, and Seattle can lose today and tomorrow, and we can be tied for the lead! Keep the faith!! I still believe in this team!!!
Are they doing the wave? why are they cheering like that?
Well the dirty soxs now lead the white soxs 3-1. I guess you’d say that game is over.
Anyone starting to think it will be the New York Massacre this week against Boston? They have a pretty good chance to put the Yankees away this year if they win that series.
What will screw the yankees is because they no Jones blows they will corck themselves in to the grount trying to hit HR’s.
Matsui Giambi Cano, Lets go!
ah yes…at least there’s a silver lining…Todd Jones. co-Exhibit #1 (Joe Borowski being the other) on why “closer” is an over-rated, arbitrary “position”.
Here’s a pitcher who’s not even pitching at league average, who has saved 32 out of 37 games. That’s
“maybe this TEAM just can’t hit good pitching in a close game. Maybe it’s not just Underdog.”
Not only is it “not just” Alex but he hits good pitching in a close game better than anyone else on the team. Let’s not let all the great things he’s done late in games this season fall by the wayside so quickly every time he makes an out in a situation like the last one.
jenn- if you had to live in detroit, what would you do?
Papi just hit a 2 run homer – 5-1 Red Sox.
And there go the Red Sox to another win.
If it wasn’t already, the division is a lost cause.
So much for the pitcher’s duel in Chicago.
The only redeeming quality to living in Detroit would be maybe you could biatchslap Rasheed Wallace if you saw him in the street.
Last licks coming up, LET’S GO YANKEES!!!!!
Why do we even bother watching hte Red Sox scores? You can stil hold out some hope but 6.5 games are not gonna be easy to overcome, nor is it likely
Well at least the White Sox are putting up fight. They are putrid
White Sox= A total disgrace to the game of baseball.
OK – c’mon Yanks!
do they have a lefty to bring in?
The Red Sox are now up 5-1. Unlike you-know-who they’re on fire right now.
SJ: About the Melky slide into first: you actually CAN get to first faster if you slide head first, but it’s not consistent. The reason is that you have to go in with a FULL head of steam and dive right for the bag.
My coach told me the REAL reason why you don’t slide into first base: risk of injury. Most coaches don’t know or don’t want to tell their players that you CAN make it faster to first base because they don’t want their players (kids being kids) forgetting or ignoring their advice and hurting themselves. In a do or die situation, however, players (Oneil, Tino, you name it) HAVE risked it for that extra few hundredths of a second.
In the long run, it’s more trouble than it’s worth; to be used in extreme circumstances if at all. The advantage of a sprint to first base without having to stop negates most of the advantages of the slide (you slide into second and third principally to stop yourself from overshooting the bag). Also, the big “thump” sound you make at first is what umps usually call the play on (unless you WANT to confuse them a bit and force them to call on sight).
Bottom line: If Melky knew this (and he probably at least believes it), then it was not a “false” hustle play. As for insubordination, well, that’s another story since that’s up to the coaching staff (and I don’t know what they said to him).
We f-ing need this!
I don’t understand your question.
They have Tim Byrdak who we never hit.
Stop Whining!! August 26th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
People who quit on games when we’re 1 run down and the opposing closer is Todd Jones need to stop watching and more importantly STOP POSTING!
Um, if they do come back and tie the game, will gladly admit I am wrong and go outside and shoot the first crow that flies by.
On the other hand, the way they have failed to score the tying run in the past 4 innings, am I suppose to feel confident?
People like you who don’t like negative comments need to see the world in color, not black and white. Acceptance is a great virtue to possess.
upstater, against the Pale Hose? Color me impressed.
OK Godzilla – Just imagine the pitcher is from Curacao (Little League WS from yesterday)
OK Godzilla – Just imagine the pitcher is from Curacao (Little League WS from yesterday)
Damn if that throw was a little more behind him mats would have been safe.
Hideki just got out ran by a fat man
Well so much for Matsui redeeming himself there.
if we win all six against the sox we can take the division – i just want seattle to start losing. The team on paper is complete crap – two good starters (washburn isnt even all that great) a solid closer and setup man, a fantastic hitter and a couple of mediocre hitters having great yrs. There three, four and five starters are horrible. Most of their lineup sucks. And most of their bullpen sucks.
You pr for Jason right?
SHelley faster than Andy?
How is Duncan any faster than Giambi?
What an idiot
It sounded like Kay just wet his pants.
***26***
Wait what??? Why not Jeter??
Against anyone else other than the White Sox, Tavarras 1 hitter would look great. But the WS just suck right now. They are awful.
Im sorry and I dont mean to be a downer. Even if the Red Sox and Mariners both lose, I dont have a good feeling about the remainder of this season.
Now we are gonna lose the series 3-1
How does this guy still have a job with the Yankees, when he is more excited about the opposing team doing something well.
Boy, was Mike Kay happy
Terrible at bat by Cano. This team has no sense of urgency.
F–K F–K F–K F–K, another crap 1 run loss, great, this sucks
“But this game isn’t ending 5-4.”
Sorry, Pete – wrong again.
well, this is ass.
Oh great, moose tomorrow.. What a disaster of a roadtrip.
BBB, A-Rod can’t hit good pitching at all. A-Rod hits mediocre pitching very well, hence his numbers, but he often looks overmatched against good pitching.
26- Oh yeah, our number of championships, thanks!!
well at least we folded nice and clean for them. The all but guaranteed decision tomorrow should put us in great position for the playoffs.
Way to knuckle up boys.
Thanks for all the help, White Sox. I hope Ozzie Guillen’s arse gets canned as soon as the season is done.
Dave (in your post @ 3:45): I think you jinxed the Yankees’ coming back in this game.
Can u guys get use to the fact we r not making the playoffs?
You sure can call em Pete. You’re like the weatherman. I just trust that everything you say is the opposite of what will actually happen.
God damn, the playoffs aren’t looking good right now.
Stop Whining,
3-6-3 = DP.
Glad you brought up how weak Todd Jone and his 1-4, 4.47 record is. Dude just sucks, can’t believe he blew the game for the Tigers……
Wait, MLB Game day just said the game is over and the Yankees lost. I am confused?
cano’s dp………….
Yeah, this team definitely isn’t making the playoffs. They’re an embarassment.
Thats it, stick a fork in us, we are done.
ALL DONE.
Stick a fork in us.
So what did we learn?
1) Early season games count.
2) Hughes will be good , but is far from the wunderkind
3) Clemens a waste of Money and Time.
4) Messina all washed up.
5) Rivera aging and declining.
Wait till next year.
I now officaly concede the division to the Red Sox. There is still slim hope for us geting the WC only because we allexpect the Mariners to go on some sort of loosing streak.
Sean Henn Is Straight
I have come to grips with it
Oh well, a split’s still possible.
Our fate lies in the hands of Padilla. lol.
You mean like when he hit the game winning HR off Crappelbon earlier this year Upstater? You can move that nonsense right along son, everybody here watches the games and sees A-Rod’s dominance for themselves so that rhetoric will get no play here. Go bring that and a cookie to John Kruk or someone else who might actually buy it. A-Rod > your guy.
The yankees suck, they might as well just throw in the towel…..Boston got the divison on lock and seatle is gonna lock up the WC………arod, damon, jeter, abreu all suck
my post didnt say anything about this game – i said if we sweep every game against the sox we can still win the division.
come on, even assuming that conjecture is correct: “any” batter would fare worse against good pitching. That’s why it’s called good pitching.
You have in mind any batters who hit .250 against league average pitchers but only hit >300 against all stars?
what a painful game. 5 runs on 4 hits for the tigers. no sense of urgency offensively. we could have worked that bullpen a lot harder in the middle innings. i’m not saying we would have gotten better results (although i think we would have) but at least make them work, draw some walks, put runners/pressure on. terrible loss.
The FAT LADY HAS BEGUN TO SING.
lol J-Dawg. Ya gotta love how these pansies are nowhere around when we win. Fill-in-the-blank time: ______ willows.
Wow, I can’t beleive I let myself think these guys might just be in striking distance on Tuesday Night.
Best case scenario we’ll be 7 out then.
Division is Boston’s. Red Sox fans will be even more intolerable and annoyingly stupid than ususal.
I won’t give up and I’m not conceding anything. It’s ONE game!! One loss on August 26 doesn’t end the season.
I don’t understand the gloom and doom here. Didn’t we go through this in May/April? A good fan would cheer on one’s team even through the losses and tough times, unless their team is a bunch of a-holes and irredeemable human beings like the knicks a few years back of course…otherwise you are just a bandwagon fan.
Don`t blame this loss on Uncle Joe. Let`s blame it on George Bush and Global Warming.
the fat lady sang months ago…the yanks just gave us false hope
They all come out like cockaroaches. Unreal. they were all gone yesterday when wang pithed very well. Kinda funny.
Angels & Mariners will aid the Yankee Wild Card cause…..Just another disturbing 1 run loss….And to think St. Joe was comparing this squad to the 98 team….Yeah right…..This team will make the Postseason dispite itself….However the 10-12 giveaway games this year is alarming…..
“Our fate lies in the hands of Padilla”
Not exactly a comforting thought, lol.
Man, this sucked the big one. Now we just PRAY that Moose can dig deep and dial up a huge outing tomorrow. I know it doesnt seem very likely, but pray and do your crosswords in pen tonight and tomorrow. Things look crappy right now but the fat lady hasn’t sung quite yet. Keep the faith and keep your fingers crossed everyone.
Tough game to lose, but I’m actually looking forward to tomorrow’s game. I like Moose; heck I like all the Yankee pitchers and considering he’s been the target of so much vitriol, I’ll be praying for a good start.
I’m under no illusions though, the Tigers have the advantage as far as SPs go, but the Yankees have the advantage in BPs.
You guys are being to tough on Matsui on that last play. Jones’ porn ’stache was a distraction.
ughh what a terrible loss….even if we make the playoffs what makes u guys think we can win games when we play this bad
Moose will be terrible tomorrow. Don’t let yourselves get false hope. We’ve all seen how he does against good teams this year. It’s not going to sudden;y change becasue he’s gonna “dig deep.” He can dig all he wants, what he needs isn’t there anymore.
Unless Seattle collapses, it’s all over folks.
why does Melky continue to slide into 1st? that’s the only part of Melky’s game I don’t get.
Upstater,
You know who else can’t hit good pitching? Just about every player in baseball. That’s why it’s called “good” pitching – because they get most hitters out.
Yet another tough loss, it seems like we are so unbearably unlucky this year.
But people, come on – there’s 32 games left in the season. What’s to say they won’t get hot again and finish 22-10? That would likely be enough to get into the playoffs, especially since they play Boston and Seattle 9 combined times.
Chill out everyone – there’s still 20% of the season to go. That being said, Johnny Damon needs to not be hitting leadoff, Giambi needs to be hitting just about every day, Jeter needs to rest until he’s able to contribute and the C&C boys have to start playing smart.
But the bullpen’s been pretty outstanding the last couple days, no? Other than the Henn walkoff, have they given up a run since the 18-9 game?
Man, you guys suck as fans. This team almost dug out of a 5-1 hole. The pitching after the 4th inning was great. Grow up and be grateful that you’re not a White Sox fan.
Nothing’s over yet. We still have another month to go, and I’m not giving up!!!!
That’s the spirit Sherri!
we need our bats to stay consistent our pitching isnt bad at all….we have no clutch hits thats the problem, in the past we always had someone clutch come in when it counts like bernie, jeter, posada ect….not this year
ant,
Actually, if the Yankees do make the playoffs, I do think they WILL be tough to beat. May not look like it on paper, but aside from the Angels hold on them (which can be erased with a close win) Yanks can handle Bosox and Cleveland.
I wish I had some of you alls optimism. I just can’t find it though.
Especially seeing how we play against the good teams and knowing that even if we do make it, we’d likely be playing Anaheim first round.
Maybe it’s better not to make it than go through another one of those series anyways. lol
Andrea: there are reasons for it, even theough some people may disagree on whether they’re good reasosns.
See above post at 3:43 PM
Bob: where is the fun in being a fan if you can’t hope? Don’t think anyone is EXPECTING a gem from Moose tomorrow but what is wrong with hoping for one? He has had good outings when his fastball was working well ala the one in Cleveland. It may not be likely but its not IMPOSSIBLE and stranger things have happened.
All these people come out of the wood work when the yankees lose. It is funny.
Frustrating, exciting, up-and-down, hair-pulling, heart-breaking, streaky, unlucky, unpredictible — say what you want about this season, but it ain’t boring. And here’s the best part: Nobody knows how it’s going to end. Keep your seatbelts on; the ride is not over.
YEAH OPTIMISM!!! Keep the faith guys!!!
Any doubts about where Torre will be next year ? This team lacks a sense of urgency and it rests on him.
Can’t wait to hear his reasoning for not making a change with Mussina’s start.
This was a must win and it just floated away.
Kay is looking at Al like you stupid ahole. LOL
BBB, trust me I am hoping Moose pitches well tomorrow.
Just seems like everytime I get my hopes up with these guys this year, we just get another sucker punch.
I’m just frustrated, that’s all.
The telling statistic …. 11-17 in one run games.
Good lord, folks…
* guys lynched the possible 2007 MVP last year as mental midget, can’t handle pressure, unfit for NYC etc etc for basically not performing to his usual beyond-stellar standards.
* guys called Wang “not an ace” and questioned his mental capacities with runners on base for two bad starts
* now we’re going to lynch Melky for sliding into first?
First there has been no conclusive scientific study, not by baseballprospectus, not by baseball america, none besides “experience” and conjecture. This is about as scientific an analysis as any which exists on this topic:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does.....ase_faster
and even if running through first is faster and that’s a big if…it’s one play. He might not even have beat it if he ran through it, the game was not lost there. Now we’re forming a queue to lynch a 290-300 batting, home grown, outstanding defensive center fielder…b/c he slid into first? come on.
My critism of Joe today is he should have ph Jorge in the 7th inning.
Did Al bring up his prediction that the Yanks would be tied with Boston by Tuesday?
Bad road trip any way you slice it.
Would be disasterous if we lost tomorrow.
You have to really wonder what our chances are right now. They have looked flat this road trip and the pitching (other than Andy, Wang, Joba, Edwar and Krazy Kyle) has blown the hell up on us.
Right the ship NOW or we’re in trouble big time. The division is almost a pipe dream at this point, as Boston’s magic number is around 20-ish with a month to go.
Terry: the risk of injury thing was my point. Why risk it? he’s too young!
It’s less about optimism and more a matter of faith. Those without faith aren’t really Yankee fans. They’re front-runners, which are what Boston fans confuse with the real thing.
Anyone need to borrow my pair of rose-colored glasses? They’re quite handy on days like today. I’m wearin’ ‘em now, and for no reason at all feeling good. If the Yanks win it all, this will go down as one of the most inspiring seasons of all time, right there with 1978. If they crash and burn — well, the team actually looks fantastic for next year. This is sort of a transition year anyway — a sort of old-player/young-player tug. See how great the glasses are?
i like when melky slides into first its shows hes realy trying to win
By Thursday, we should know whether there really still is hope or not. See what we do against Boston, meanwhile Seattle plays 3 against Anaheim.
Shut up Terry. Faith has NOTHING to do with what kind of fan you are.
Blind faith = stupidity.
We all watch this team religiously. We know what we see.
You want to talk about hope, fine.
But faith? That’s just rah rah rah, cheerleader nonsense.
Andrea: It might have been because he thought it was worth the extra risk just to get on base. I’m not saying that he was right (or wrong, for that matter); I’m saying that there are reasons for it and it’s a spur-of-the-moment judgement call and Melky was in the driver’s seat.
BBB- Thanks, I think that I might start making wisecracks about every number that he puts out there!
If it doesn’t happen, I’ll stay here and take the criticism, but mark my words, we are winning the Wild Card. I guarantee to everyone here- we will make the playoffs.
I repeat- we are going to the playoffs!!
if we would have won today and swept boston(which was a big if) we would have be 2 out of the divson and most likely in first 4 the wc
I don’t understand the fascination with early declarations of failure, or being among the first engage in mourning.
Well look like that’s that!
Sox up 7-1! You’re fav Tavaras is pitching a one hitter!
I don’t think Joba’s going to win you a World Series this year…..sorry.
So you can stop talking about him like his every other work day and an BIG inning of work is going to be the answer. It’s not, so face the facts and move on to watching all the wonderful prospects in AA and AAA to forget your misery!
Moose of course loses tomorrow (Gee! Ya think?) and it’s 8 going into the Tuesday series w/the BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL.
I’d start really praying and concentrating on the wild card. And even if you get it. The Angels will be a wait’in for you in the first round! That’s even if you get there, which I highly doubt at his point!
Terry: I think I’m just a nervous person. Slding headfirst into first always looks dangerous to me. I’m not sure why, becaues really, it’s probably not any more dangerous than sliding into anywhere else….or sliding to each something in the outfield. I’m just strange.
YankeeMan- you said that we start playing the “BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL” on Tuesday. Mmmm, that’s strange because I thought that we were playing the Red Sox!
Yankeeman…. learn to troll in my opinion…. youre not good at it….
Gee Bob, I never mentioned YOUR name, I was only referring to “front-runners”.
You know about them right?
; the craven flunkies who like to hop on the bandwagon so that they can stroke their own self-imaginary egos, but like to beat the object of their supposed admiration when they’re down because “they” can’t live up to your own self-important expectations.
Again, dispicable people, but they do exist everywhere (especially in the media and other 8-year old mental cases.
lol….awww. it’s sad when someone can’t even troll well
Hey Mike,
That’s a nice little pipe dream ya got going on over there!
You need to have a team w/some drive to get that done and it looks like the Yanks are cooked!
I heard Moose has the sniffles. That’s about he best thing you can wish for at this point!
Batting practice is almost over in Chicago and the BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL is primed and ready to come in to do some damage at the Stadium!!!!!!
Andrea: Understandable.
I done some sliding into first base too. My coach told me not to do it and he’s the boss; I scratched myself up once, but nothing serious.
I’m less worried about sliding in the major leagues because the grounds crew keep the field even (no sharp rocks or hard dearth) which is NOT the case on some high-school and even some college fields.
kidyankee, i said IF we won today and IF we swept the redsox we would be 2 out …just stating the facts not predicting anything…
lol this best team in baseball stuff is a joke… whats their winning percentage since the break? BEST? Learn to troll…
By September 5 this Yankee team will find out what it’s made of.
yankees should have picked up david wells, i believe he could do much better than hughes or mussina right now
YankeeMan.
You may be right, and we do suck, but are are still wrong.
I GUARANTEE that the red sox wont do anything in the playoffs GUARANTEED
Hey Pete I just caught your radiance on the Yes post game show. You have to lighten up when you question Derek Jeter about a knee injury….He’s not gona bite you.
Rob NY- Good point, the only reason their winning percentage has raised is because they’ve spent the last week or two playing the White Sox and Devil Rays. By the way, what happened when Boston went to Detroit??? A sweep! It doesn’t look like we’ll get swept. And yes, the BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL will be at Yankee Stadium on Tuesday, as soon as it leaves Detroit tomorrow!!
Word of wise, i like that guarantee
I guess Joe needs to hold a closed-door meeting before every game in order for the team to realize the actually need to win some games in order to make the playoffs. This is still the same offense that we started the year with…ridiculously un-clutch. In fact, for an offense that has scored so many runs, it boggles the mind to realize just how un-clutch they are.
Of course, it looks like we can only count on Pettitte and perhaps Wang to throw quality starts the rest of the way…which kind of makes the playoffs a pipedream regardless of whether the offense somehow learns how to push runs across in pressure situations in the next few weeks.
This year really blows!
my 2 cents…It should be obvious to all true Yankee fans, no matter how zealous, that the Yankees need to win all of these next 4 games to have any shot at winning the division. The ChiSox did us no favors and Detroit is not going to just lay down tomorrow. It is not impossible for us to sweep the Red Sox, but we need both our bats and our arms to come to play EVERY INNING of the series. We can certainly still make the playoffs as the Wild Card and do some damage with some GAME being brought every playoff game, but even I with my pie in the sky expectations, have come down to earth to realize that the next 4 games for the Yankees are *put up or shut up* time. Have a great evening, ALL ! OUT !
We turn the page. Tomorrow we will win. Mike will go out and knock your socks off. He knows what he has to do. No worries.
Well, the magic number is now 25. Guess money can’t buy you everything, can it? Even with the highest payroll of any sports team in the world, you still have to have half a brain when spending it.
By the way, as things stand now, the showdown with Seattle at the stadium line up to be
Clemens, Wang, Hughes
vs
Hernandez, Ramirez, Washburn
Hope the “good” Clemens show up. Yanks hitters don’t usually handle power pitchers well…tho Hernandez has been very hittable this year.
Wang vs a Ramirez who’s gonna walk like 7 vs a patient Yankees line up show be a win.
Washburn always pitch the Yankess tough…that’s a toss up.
Funny talk about obessed your team is rolling over a team that is already playing golf, yet you need to come here.
Clemens was the largest single season waste of money in baseball history.
the White Sox are a hapless team…
they should be embarassed at how they can’t even compete right now.
and why didn’t anyone block the Kielty signing by the Red Sox?? He is completely outplaying Pena and Drew…not that that was hard to do.
Hopefully the Yankees can at least win 2/3 from Boston this week…to make it respectable.
lol hughman, I’m sure you’re right. But in my mind it is one punch and Wallace goes down like a cheap ho…guaransheed!
The yankees can be soo dissapointing at times. I hate to be negative right now but there is no way we win tomorrows game- their best starter against our worst and mussina is coming off the worst outing of his career and probably his life. Either verlander completely falls apart tomorrow or just put another check into the loss column. Soo dissapointing. I cant believe Cashman signed Moose to a two yr 25 million dollar deal. This is exactly why we shouldnt sign posada to a three yr deal this off season – we will be regretting it by the middle of next yr when he is making 10 plus million dollars, consistently on the dl and is playing dh more than catcher. We already have multiple ridiculously over-priced dhes that cant play the field any more on this team.
Consider it payback for years and years of trolling by Yankees fans. The trolling was down here for a while but then Yankees fans got within 4 games of the division and their fans magically got big mouths again. That’s right, the same fans that had already counted their team out earlier in the season. So you aren’t going to get much sympathy.
Consider this karma : )
“Guess money can’t buy you everything, can it? ”
Thankfully, your mom is still pretty affordable.
(haha sorry everyone else, I know I know, its bad to talk about peoples moms but I just cannot even wrap my head around what “starts with p, rhymes with ‘wussies’” these internet toughguy trolls are! never anywhere to be found when we win!)
Asere, Vizzy must have been stressed out—he had the Mr. T starter kit around his neck.
“i don’t know who the color guy is on MLB.TV for the Tigers, but he is a dolt!”
That’s World Series ring winner Jim Price to you pal.
89 no one blocked the signing because no one could. He was released by Oakland a while ago so waivers weren’t involved.
Really I’ve never gone to any sox blog nor do i care to. So you act like an infant because someone else acted like an infant. very mature.
“Clemens was the largest single season waste of money in baseball history.”
aaahahahahaha…Gagme anyone?! At least Clemens didnt cost prospects. How much smaller would that magic number that you’re yerking your clong to be with out Gagme and his 28 ERA?
Karma? That makes no sense. Grow up and act your age. Unless of course you are 12 which it seems like you are.
BBB, no one’s trying to be tough here but you. I’m just stating facts, you’re the one talking about people’s mom’s and calling them pussies. I guess on the internet you have to make up for what you lack in real life, huh?
Clemens is also being a great mentor to our young pitchers. I don’t think you can say the same for Eric. Although he is teaching them how to look like a slob like the rest of the team.
Karma???
If you believed in Karma you wouldn’t be here shouting off your mouth because you would know you were just setting yourself up to have to eat one big old plate of crow.
Enjoy.
Trolling on a Yankee board talking smack that you would never say in the flesh in a roomful of Yankee fans is the DEFINITION of both “internet toughguy” AND “rhymes with wussy.”
Um, Gagne didn’t cost the Red Sox any money. You did realize that before you insinuated he’s a larger waste of money than Clemens, RIGHT????
Good to see our old friend Mike Myers is helping out his old team.
Gosh am I glad he’s gone.
dont even talk to the boston people… Half of them couldn’t name the Sox lineup before 2003. Front-running is just a disease. They couldn’t tell you who the starters were minus Pedro and Wakefield.
I bet they just started becoming Patriot fans in the post-Bledsoe time period as well.
They’re just obnoxious ‘fans’ with speech impediments.
Of course Gagne cost you money. You do realize that in all likelyhood the soxs had to pay that incentive money (you know the one for the saves) to wave his no trade.
Plus, Jennifer, Clemens bangs his fist…Gagme just hangs his head after blowing game after game.
aaaanywho back to optimism…turning the page tomorrow!
I live in New York. I say all this stuff to Yankees fans all the time. What’s up with all the machismo BBB? Trying to hide something?
um actually Gagne did cost the Red Sox money when they agreed to pay him 2 millions dollars on top of his regular contract money, and all the rest of incentives that he had in his contract with Texas — that’s the only reason he waived his no-trade to Boston, a place he wasn’t going to close.
and a solid 5th starter in Gabbard.
You are right 89. I don’t know why I waste my time. I am giving them attention that they don’t deserve.
Jennifer, so you’re comparing incentives to a $25 million salary? Leave it to a Yankees fan…
Clemens being a waste of money?!? This coming from somebody whose team signed J.D. DREW to a 5 year, $70 million contract when they were obviously bidding against themselves because nobody else was stupid enough to take him.
This also coming from somebody whose team signed Julio Lugo to a 4 year, $36 million deal! Yeah $9 million a year for somebody who barely got to play every day in Tampa Bay and couldn’t find a spot when he got traded to the Dodgers last year! Plus he’s been arrested for allegedly beating on his wife. I don’t see how you can cheer for Lugo. He gets no respect from me as a human being, much less as a ball player. Terrible morals, mediocre player at best, yes he fits right in with Boston’s team concept.
Ignore him guys. Speaking to him just validates his pathetic excuse of a life.
lol, a solid 5th starter… just like Igawa’s a solid 5th starter
Nobody’s going to miss the prospects the Red Sox gave up.
You said that gagne didn’t cost any money and i was simply pointing out that you were wrong.
Be gone i’m done with you.
Your post at 5:01 sounds about right, 89, especially since this particular brain surgeon doesn’t even seem to realize that they picked up Gagme’s not-miniscule contract as well as paying him to waive his closer clause. I think I read an article in the Times a few weeks ago that broke down the cost of Gagme vs Clemens showing that the former was more expensive.
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“I think I read an article in the Times a few weeks ago that broke down the cost of Gagme vs Clemens *per IP* showing that the former was more expensive.
J-Dawg, I was just waiting for someone to take the bait like you did. So the Red Sox overspent on Drew and Lugo. Does that make you feel better about Igawa, Clemens, Mussina, Giambi, Damon, Farnsworth, Pavano and Mientkiewicz? I guess I kinda got you there, huh?
It always makes me crack up when Yankees fans talk about salary. Heck, the entire Yankees team is a $200 million waste of money if they’re not going to make the playoffs.
25- The number of Barry Bonds, someone else who would fit in with the collection of disgraces to the human race on the Red Sox roster.
Jennifer, compared to Clemens he didn’t cost them any money.
And pitchers don’t get payed by the inning. What a team pays a pitcher is what they pay them. Clemens costs WAY more than Gagne, only a Yankees fan would be delusional enough to think otherwise.
It is silly to get into a argument over dumb contracts. The Yanks have Clemens and Igawa (probably the worst signing of all), and the Sox have Lugo, Drew, Gagne, and even Matsuzaka some will argue. So the salary argument is old and very tedoius. Besides it is not our money, so what do we care what these organizations do with their profits?
89=
….and the best player on the New England Pats is a Yankee fan and his girlfriend is a “Babe”
J-Dawg, Bonds would fit in a lot more with the Yankees and their “cheat at all”… I’m sorry, “win at all costs”. You must have forgotten about Jason Juicebox Giambi and Sheffield before him.
Tom, it’s just funny to watch the most expensive team in the world suck so badly, that’s all.
SJ44 where are you? bring some sense into this blog- exception-jennifer
she makes sense…
“Jennifer, compared to Clemens he didn’t cost them any money”
Try again, frontrunner:
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse.....ric-gagne/
The $$$ argument has to go… The Yankees and Sox are 1 and 2 on the team salary list. Yea, there’s a gap in between 1 and 2, but jesus christ – get over it already.
Boston fans just perpetuate their inferiority by constantly comparing themselves to the Yankees in everything. Most of the time they are so blinded and overjoyed with the fact that they are actually in 1st place, that they forget every ridiculous comment they make about the Yankees being over-spenders falls on Boston just as much.
Boston and NY are both top 5 baseball markets… get over it, you’re in with the big boys now.
and Gabbard as 6 wins and has had 3 or 4 quality starts for TExas so far.. how many has Jon Lester put together this season.
I hope Clay Bucholz suffers the same fate as Tony Saunders.
that’s mean. sorry.
BBB, you don’t pay a pitcher by the inning. If you need an article to articulate which one is cheaper than you’ve got serious issues.
Clemens – about $25 million
Gagne – $8 million at most
Is that math too complicated for you?
people have to chill with the troll accusations. seriously, the rivalry is all about bragging rights and the internet obviously makes it a convenient venue outside of trips down I95… besides, trading barbs here is better than behaving like the meatheads that get into fistfights in the stands.
btw: Gagne and Clemens both have one thing in common – neither will be going into Cooperstown a red sox (only for different reasons) – heeheheheheheh
89, there is a HUGE gap between #1 in salary and everybody else. I was excited at the beginning of this season because it looked like we’d get to see what Cashman and Epstein could do with similar salaries. Then after having a historically bad start to the season, Cashman gave up and payed Clemens $25 million. And the Red Sox are STILL 7.5 games better. It’s kind of sad.
you don’t get paid by the inning obviously…
but clemens logs a lot more innings than Gagne…and is a starting pitcher. not the third guy in line to be the set-up man.
Gagne is being used in blow-out games now…lost 4 games in his first month with the Sox.
It’s like paying a closer 10 million vs. paying a starter 10 million. that closer better be really good to get that type of money, otherwise the glaring difference in innings 50 or 60 vs. 150innings is going to be a point of importance.
Best frontrunner in BB, there’s nothing wrong with using innings pitched as a basis to calculate cost versus value of…
ah, nevermind. I can’t express myself monosyllabically enough for you to understand.
Fenway, you’re delusional if you don’t think Clemens is going into the HOF with a B on his cap. I know you Yankees fans aren’t very good at math, but here’s some more for you.
13 years > 5.5 years
please don’t phrase it ‘everyone else’
it’s the Yankees, then the Red Sox and the Mets.
the 25 million is PRO-RATED.. which means it’s not all counting towards the cap this season, so get over it.
At least one of my team’s starting pitchers isn’t in danger of a lawsuit because of defamation of character. See- Curt Schilling
BBB, have you factored into your equations at all that Gagne is actually going to the playoffs while Clemens was payed $25 million to play for a team that’s missing them?
I don’t think the Red Sox are too worried about spending money right now. They’re setting records for road attendance and have the most die hard fans of possibly any US sports team. They’ve got plenty of revenue coming in.
J-Dawg, you’re siding with Barry Bonds?
I played a round of golf this morning with former Phillie / Angel catcher Bob Boone….His take on pitchers coming back from the DL for any extended time is how long it takes for them to discover their rythem and a sense of being comfortable…For younger guys it can take a while ( see Karstens )…If you remember Monday’s game out here in Anaheim, he was lights out, then fell victim to spotty control issues….Today was similar, he had trouble at times with commmand of pitches, then found a groove…..This is tough as he’s gone through 2 Spring Trainings, and he’s learning alot at once….He ’s certainly not the same pitcher he was in early May….He’ll find his way, like on the job training……The benchmark of a good pitcher goes way beyond the arm…..
89, is it false to say that there’s a large discrepancy in salary between the Yankees and every other sports team in the world? If not, then stop bitching about hearing it.
“Gagne is actually going to the playoffs while Clemens was payed $25 million to play for a team that’s missing them?”
What are you f’n Cleo? It’s August. Don’t tell me you’ve forgotten that the wildcard exists, that is the only reason that your team has even sniffed playoffs in the past decade!
Ain’t nobody worried about spending money..except you!! You are the one on a rival team’s blog obsessing about it, no?
Anyway guys, gotta go do boring errands and other Sunday stuff.
Keeping my fingers crossed for the Moose tomorrow – turn the page!! Hmmm I think I’ll go listen to Bob Seger now…
No actual Yankees fan cares about how much Clemens costs. The Yankees have the money, so who cares. No Yankees fan cares about money. Yankees fans care about prospects.
Is it false to say that the Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll of any sports team in the entire world?
Boston is number 2 buddy — which ain’t too different. Boston has lost the right to make that argument. 50 million posting fee, 70 to Drew (what is it…10 million per home run?), 36 to lugo…(a million per stolen base i guess?), Matt Clement hasnt even sniffed a mound in a year, another 20 million for Manny, 10 for tek hitting .260, — ya, that’s what I thought.
Is it also false to say that any Yankee fan is more die-hard than Red Sox fans?
I respect Boston fans that waited their entire lives to see them actually win a World Series… since there haven’t been too many since 1920. I think the majority of Boston fans are walking around wearing pink hats and Papi shirts and don’t even remember when Nomar was playing shortstop.
The Red Sox are not setting any road records and lead the Yankees by less then 900 seats per game, of course the difference being the 28,000 seating capacity of Fenway and the 45,000 of Yankee Stadium. You missed a few points pal. BTW, you have won nothing yet.
BBB: lol…..Miss Cleo. I miss her.
How did you do your last trip to Seattle BTW?
I wouldn’t go into 10 million for Tek b/c he is only hitting .260. What he means to the staff is priceless and is one of the main reasons why Beckett and Wakefield each have 16 wins and why Boston is leading the AL in ERA
What is that now for the Chisox? Lost 19 of the last 21? What a power house, the best bat in the line-up Darin Erstad at .278.
This season, Wakefield lost his last three appearances against the Yankees. Beckett era against the Yankess over 5, Dice over 6.
Going too fast for you?
too bad he can’t catch a Knuckleball.
Is the first one to leave the clubhouse, and last to arrive.
some captain.
only one on that team i respect is Lowell. and Papi — as much as he kills the Yankees and everyone else, he just really seems like a good dude.
And the only one in Boston who doesn’t think Papelbon is better than Rivera is Papelbon, which is respectable as well.
Best Team in Baseball, don’t forget
Two(2) World Series Rings as a Yankee > 0 rings. Boston
The Gagne-Clemens comparison was for innings pitched, which Gagne wins with a more expensive price tag.
89, I never said he could catch a knuckeball, but the way he prepares these guys allows them to go out there and succeed.
First one to leave and last to arrive? How would you know that? If you can find the source and IP address of that statement I’d like to see it and read about it. Seriously, sarcasm unintended, but if you know more of these clubhouse tidbits, I’d like to hear them.
Coco Crisp is someone from the Red Sox that I respect. He showed class when he said that the Yankees were never out of the race even when they were so far down in the early months. Coco’s someone who usually doesn’t get upset and plays the game with the right temperament.
Lowell cut his teeth in the Yankee Organization……Class is taught throughout the system, just as baserunning is….
Tek has nothing to do with why Wakefield has 16 wins.
No, I actually agree with you that Varitek seems like one of those rare guys nowadays that shows up to play everyday and takes his craft seriously. But he’s getting paid a lot of money for his offense from 3 years ago and has been on a steady decline. In the market of catchers, he’s still above average, but that’s because the catcher market is incredibly slim. I’d take Posada any day of the week over Varitek without blinking an eye…my yankee fan-dom not a factor.
I have a friend who knows someone that worked in the Sox clubhouse a few years ago and he said that Varitek was not the show up early/leave late guy you would expect. He said during the time he was working there, he was always one of the first to leave and last to show up. Sort of like how Bernie was towards the end of his career – I Was sort of surprised to hear it about Bernie as well as Tek.
I didn’t hear it first hand — but it was from a solid source originally.
P.S. — good to hear that Farnsworth was one of the first in the clubhouse yesterday.
And here come the Red Sux blowhards, straight from the green sardine can in cowtown Boston …..
I don’t blame Red Sox fans for crowing . They are just not used to having the upper hand on the Yankees and when they do they are going to let us fans know about it. Put yourself in their shoes; constantly getting beat over the head with the Yankees’ success over the years. Constantly being second best in the division year in and year out. Imagine the inferiority complex they have. That’s why they constantly yap whenever they have a measure of success. They need to validate their existance. Best way to shut them up is to have the Yankees sweep the Sox this coming series. Tall order if you ask me.
I’m sorry– did Andrea actually refer to Scott Proctor’s sad attempt at a goatee as ‘chin pubes’? LOL
Josh Beckett comes to mind as someone that needs to trim his chin pubes…
Jesus I hate the BoSox….
When Jeter and Posada didn’t appear in the line up I knew it was going to be a bad day.
I was at the game. Granderson’s inside the park homer was a thing of beauty. Lets not forget that the homer came from the weak effort Matsui made at getting to the ball. Granderson was at third when Matsui through the ball. The throw to the plate wasn’t even close. It was a very bad Omen.
It was Deja Vu all over again. I sat in Detroit for the last yankee game of last season. It was painful. Detroit fans were insufferable. Today, I drove three hours. And ta boot, I got into a car accident on the way home (rear ended).
The pain of this loss was worse than what happened to my car. I can fix the car. I’m not sure that we can fix the team we love so dearly.
It kills me to see someone hold their bat
while they run towards first. The least can do is hustle Does hustle cost 30 million (ARod)? What if someone misfields the ball (Matsui)? I know this criticism is a bit brutal but the yankees lack something intangable. They lack the fighting spirit. Granderson manufactured that run with spirit and hustle. As it turned out, that was the difference between winning or losing this game today. That’s why the Yankees probably won’t make it to the play offs. Don’t blame it on pitching!!!!!
OK … we can’t make it every year. But to me … the Yanks have always been magical. They always find a way to win. It’s like someone lost the spell book.
The 78 Yankees were a great team because they played well as a team. They possessed that intangable magic. The spirit of the every day american. This team does not deserve comparison to that GREAT 78 Yanks who always put up a fight to the very last breath of the season.
It kills me to see someone hold their bat
while they run towards first. The least can do is hustle Does hustle cost 30 million (ARod)? What if someone misfields the ball (Matsui)? I know this criticism is a bit brutal but the yankees lack something intangable. They lack the fighting spirit………………. I wholeheartedly agree. you rarely see this team go all out whether it be diving for balls on defense or taking the extra base on offense or grinding it out and taking pitches or manufacturing runs. They play as if they’re tired of the grind. i hate to say it but there is a little fat cat syndrome on this team; almost like a feeling of entitlement as if to say the playoffs are a given and they can coast during the regular season. Maybe in years past that was the case not this one. That’s why i love Shelley Duncan so much.The kid is an animal lol. I wish they had more guys on this team with his take no prisoners attitude. I guess when you come into the big bucks you get kind of jaded. This team has too many older, highly paid players. They need to trim the fat a little and get back to the passionate, tough minded,gritty team they were in the late 90s and early 2000s’
I think Hughe is not the problem of this game.Yankees got five zero since 4th inning. That is the problem. Especially,
Taigers lost the starting pitcher and I-ROD.That`s the big trouble of Yankees lineup. Actually, I am not sure that Yankees found the way to handle this situation.
When Taigers lost their main catcher and chaged pitching all the time.Yankees should try to walk and stolen base, but always got fly out. That will be better.
The confidence of lineup is the other problem of Yankees at Monday night.