Game 134: Red Sox at Yankees
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Here are the lineups:
YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Giambi 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Wang RHP (15-6, 3.95)
RED SOX
Pedroia 2B
Crisp CF
Ortiz DH
Youkilis 1B
Lowell 3B
Drew RF
Varitek C
Hinske LF
Cora SS
38pitches.com RHP (8-5, 4.11)
Pregame chatter: Mike Mussina just met with reporters, speaking at his locker for about 15 minutes. He said getting taken out of the rotation was the toughest thing he’s ever had to deal with as an athlete. He admitted to being angry but said he believes he can work his way out of his funk.
Back later with some must-listen audio.
Meanwhile, the Yankees have taken 5 of the last 6 from Boston to tie the season series at 7-7 with four games left. … 38pitches.com is 0-1 against the Yankees this season in three starts. His line: 18 29 15 14 2 10 with six home runs.
UPDATE, 12:02 p.m.: Joe Torre said today that the Yankees would probably not call up a third catcher on Saturday. Apparently Wil Nieves is not worth a spot on the 40-man roster.
Jason Giambi is back at first, evidence that his foot must be OK. Expect a defensive replacement late in the game. Torre pulled Giambi after the sixth inning yesterday because Boston had Coco Crisp and Eric Hinske coming up in the 7th. “Bunt guys,” Torre explained. It worked out as Hinske hit a ball to first.
UPDATE, 12:17 p.m.: Here is the full audio of Mike Mussina’s meeting with the media in the locker room this morning:
UPDATE, 1:24 p.m.: Check out this blog entry from the Boston Globe. It seems that MLB is cracking down on managers not wearing their uniform jerseys under their pullovers. They actually checked Francona during the game. “That’s a farce,” Joe Torre said.
UPDATE, 1:34 p.m.: Holy cats, back-to-back web gems by The Big G. Joe Torre was saying today that Giambi has no range but will make all the plays within his reach.
Know this, however: Giambi will break down if they keep running him out there. Torre has to be careful with how he uses him.
UPDATE, 2 p.m.: That’s 15 dingers and 75 RBI for Robinson Cano, who had 14 and 74 last season. Two on and one out, this is where they need to attack Schilling.
UPDATE, 2:11 p.m.: Weird game for CMW. I think his sinker is moving too much because it’s burrowing down and the Red Sox are sitting on it, which is leading to all the walks. But when they do hit it, they aren’t getting much on it. It’s fading away to right-handed hitters and in to lefties with that heavy bowling-ball effect.
He likes pitching in the hot weather, too.
No predictions yet. But if any Yankee can do it, it’s him.
UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: You have to give it to Schilling, he’s keeping Boston in the game with a fastball that rarely hits 90.
UPDATE, 2:25 p.m.: The Mets are down 4-0 in Philly. If that score holds, their lead will be down to two games.
Tell you what, Ken Davidoff of Newsday has been predicting the Mets don’t make the playoffs and he may well be right. The wildcard could come out of the West in the NL.
If the Yankees were in the NL Central, they’d be up by six games.
UPDATE, 2:37 p.m.: Congratulations to Robinson Cano, who by hitting two home runs off Curt Schilling just earned free drinks in any NYC bar for the rest of his life.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: The crowd is now officially in “We Want to See Something Special Happen” mode as they’re cheering on every pitch by CMW.
Nine more to go for Wang.
UPDATE, 3:07 p.m.: Well, a valiant effort by CMW, who didn’t get much help from Derek Jeter. Now he has to try and squelch this rally and win the game.
UPDATE, 3:11 p.m.: For starters, A-Rod should have just thrown the ball to second for a conventional double play. But Youkilis clearly was out of the baseline when he ran on the grass.
Youkilis will have a nice career as a wrestling bad guy when he retires from baseball.
UPDATE, 3:25 p.m.: The Yankees have no sense of occasion. Joba just came in the game and the scoreboard is playing the stupid “find the ball under the cap game.”
Meanwhile, they didn’t play “Indian Outlaw” either.
Anyway, Joba against Hinske, Cora and Pedroia. The Yankees are 7-1 in games he has pitched.
UPDATE, 3:34 p.m.: By Joba standards, what a terrible inning. Four batters made contract and one got a hit. An extra-base hit no less.
The kid is finished. Done. Kaput. Trade him now.
(I’m kidding)
Mo is warming. You have to give it up to 38pitches.com 7 6 2 2 1 4. He pitched his tail off.
UPDATE, 3:45 p.m.: Big hit there for Abreu as it eases things for Mo. Okajima could be toast in September as he’s way over his usual number of innings.
UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: I’m sure this will get played off as “Hey, we’re still up by five” in Red Sox Nation. But this will be a demoralizing sweep. The Red Sox have scored six runs in the series on 13 hits through 26 innings.
UPDATE, 4:00 p.m.: Did somebody misplace the dugout copy of the Joba Rules? Anybody? Guidry? Kerrigan? Hello?
This is interesting. It saves Mo, yet opens the door to all manner of questions.
But Joba only threw 12 pitches in the 8th.
Tells you what they think of the rest of the relievers.
UPDATE, 4:07 p.m.: I find it hard to believe that Chamberlain would throw at the head of Youkilis on purpose. What reason would there be?
Other than that there is always something between these teams, of course.
Just FYI, that walk is charged to Chamberlain. So if Youkilis scores, it breaks his string. Then again, Nancy Drew doesn’t hit in the clutch.
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Let’s go Yanks!
we SMOKE the SCHILL today !!!
Nice to see the A-lineup out there again…
Giambi has been good since his return, we gotta find a way to keep him in the lineup.
And, I much prefer Damon in LF than Matsui…
let’s hope we can add to that line. These thursday afternoon games have not been kind to us. we have to take it to them right away.The sox will give up we jump ahead
It’s a special day today.
Let’s get this party Rockin’ with a killer slideshow of last nites game. And in apprecation of “The Bronx is Burning” we’re going with Old-School graphics.
http://tinyurl.com/372pnz
Pete
Please ask Schilling to impart some of his political wisdom on us. I’d particularly like to hear about how he think’s his buddy’s war is going. Please also tell him that America is hoping that he’ll soon announce his intention to enter politics. He could certainly dominate the philibuster circuit.
mussina could work his way out of it. hopefully this is a wake up call to him to pitch like timlin pitched to yankee hitters last night. did you see him straighten up jeter? that’s all mussina has to do and he can be pitching at 41 like timlin.
Okay, Pete.
Thanks for reminding us that today Schilling is due for a dominant outing against us.
pete, when you get a chance, i’d love to know if mariano is available this afteroon. i know he’s pitched 2 days in a row, but he only threw about 15 pitches last night.
I am SO hoping that Kennedy comes up and MOWS THEM DOWN…I have seen enough of the Moose this year to know that IMO, his funk is permanent. With us having to win SO MANY games to make this a race, both for the Wild Card and the division…letting Moose, ON OUR DIME, try to see if he can pitch effectively is simply too risky, IMO.
I doubt Rivera will be available today, but then again these are must win games so he could be.
We can use Joba today. Hopefully for two if need be.
Can’t wait to hear the audio on Mike.
i’m not surprised that moose was angry. but as smart a guy as he is, i think he’ll straighten himself in one way or another.
now may be the time to stretch the joba rules and let him go 2 innings. would also be a good day for wang to go 8 innings.
Get out the brooms!! It’s gonna happen.
What baffles me is Mussina being surprised that he was demoted. I am sick of these pitchers pitching like crap all year and think we owe it to them to continue to be a part of the staff.(bruny,farns,moose) Besides a couple of games in late july early august, Mussina has been one of our worst pitchers. I hope Cashman is saying the right things so that he could have a taker in a trade. His time is up in pinstripes. Kennedy will shine saturday. Go out with the old, come in with the new.
Anyone know who will be closing todays game?
*S.o.S.27*,,,,great post !!!
*Negativity Rules* ….go away…FAR away !
What does everyone think about Joba’s choice of entrance music? i think it could be good although I have never heard of someone coming in to a country song.
I think Joba’s earned the right to choose his own song. If it inspires him, then bring it on! Would you rather someone tell him he can’t have the song he wants and then every time he walks out and hears it, he has that to think about?
we finally have a good backup catcher but Jorge’s in the lineup day game after night. Tied in the wild card it tells you they haven’t given up on the division
Funny that Giambi is pretty much taken over firstbase. I called for that early in the year as I preferred Melky in the lineup (and moreso in the field) then the Minky/Phelps platoon. Torre is doing a great job balancing his players, mixing things up a bit.
I am a bit surprised Jorge is starting though.
andy phillips walk-up song to the plate is “sweet home alabama”
check this out for a complete list of mlb players entrance music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ance_music
derek jeter’s “i’m a flirt” by r. kelly is hilarious to me. those lyrics are disturbing.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/im-.....kelly.html
If the Yankees want to win the AL East, they must complete the sweep. They will have 28 games remaining after today. Making up five games might still be possible (though a tough proposition); seven games is probably too many. The weaker schedule shifts to the Yankees in the month of September. Come on boys. Let’s jump out to a lead.
My guess is that Jorge has tomorrow off then will be backon Saturday afternoon this way he has a full day and a half
Let’s take the division!!! Never give up!! I would think they would go for the division until it’s impossible to do so.
Here is Boston’s Lineup from Boston.com.
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Coco Crisp, CF
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Eric Hinske, LF
9. Alex Cora, SS
P — Curt Schilling
I think Joba’s song should be the Halloween Theme from the movie
I think that Joba’s going to need his own song. No, really. If the Yankees can afford to commission artwork by Peter Maax for Alex, then they certainly can afford to commission an ANTHEM by Danny Elfman. Something along the lines of “Only a Lad”.
I think it should be LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR.
why Giambi is in the 1B???While Wang is pitching,why Torre don’t put better defense first baseman??
Wanger shows hes a true ace today.
Two thoughts:
1) Joba’s song is the one that they played for him at Nebraska, and has great personal meaning to him. Based on his personal story, and all that comes with that, more power to him.
2) All hands are on deck today. Today is the game that determines the Yankees’ ability to compete for the Division. Mo will be available to close, based on the above, and Joe’s post-game comment last night (paraphrasing as accurately as I recall)…”unfortunately we had to bring Mo in in the 8th. He won’t be that guy tomorrow, in the 8th”.
Hopefully Wang can give us a good game….Boston has been the tough team for him to pitch against….
From the loquacious White Sox Manager:
“We’ve got a $100 million payroll and they don’t show it on the field. If this keeps up, bring on the Double-A kids. They’re killing me.” — Ozzie Guillen, after the White Sox’s 15th loss in 18 games.
Well, duh, don’t you know it takes at least $140 million to make a good team?
SoS – I’m with you on that. Hilarious idea
With Manny being out for at least a week. If we can sweep today, I truly believe that we can comeback and take the division. Being that they have thrown their best against us the last 3 days, they could end up losing 2 of 3 in baltimore and it is a high probability that we sweep the rays this weekend. That would make it 3 games to catch in one month. I like our chances.
It starts with a sweep.
GO YANKEES!!!
‘Anyone read today’s N.Y. Post article about Francona and Bob Watson. I will forever be grateful for what Watson did for the Yankees as g.m., but he should be fired.
Watson had the nerve to come into the Red Sox’ dugout during the game last night to tell Francona to take off his red pullover (M.L.B. rules stipulate a manager must show his jersey). Francona literally told Watson (his quote in the article) “Get out of the dugout during the game.”, Watson left. I’m the biggest Yankee fan there is, but I am 110% with Francona on this. What if Francona missed seeing something wrong with one of his players esp. his starting pitcher while scolding Watson? Unbelievable.
For the people who thought Detroit had a better shot because they had alot of games left with the whitesox and royals. They have their hands full playing k.c. This isnt your past k.c. teams. They actully have descent pitching and better hitting. Detroit is being owned and im loving it. White sox in the other hand are a joke.
The head-to-head Sox/Yankees pitching stats are available here:
http://www.baseball-reference......chives/244
We won’t even need Mo today.
We’ll hit Schill early and often.
Get a nice blowout to finish it off.
Det is not surviving the loss of Sheff well.
Bob Watson is like one of those flashlight cops working security at a county fair. You give a guy a little power and it goes right to his head. Who cares what Francona is wearing, it has the team name on it, that’s good enough.
Just heard the audio of Mussina is up on their site.
The NY Post is reporting they are talking about changing the Joba Rules to be more based on pitch count as opposed to innings.
Joba’s song right now is Nirvana’s “smells like teen spirit”
Dr. Acula…nice slide show!
Whats the over/under on ground balls from Wang. I’m thinking 12.
While I kind of like the idea of Joba coming in to John Carpenter’s Halloween theme, I think that would be akin to trying to warm up to the Billy Joel song “Pressure”. I have a feeling it would be more annoying to the pitcher than scary to the opposing team.
Come to think of it, I think “Pressure” should be Farnsworth’s entrance music. Either that or “Goodnight Saigon”.
In other good news, it looks like we will not face Kazmir or Shields this weekend.
Well duh, it would help if I told you where!!
Wfan.com
we need an edit button!!
dont underestimate schilling .
Let Britton pitch the 8th and Joba the 9th if Wang does not go 8th.
that wouldn’t be something I oppose or Nardi I knew it would come down to the pitch count but they’ll likely start this next week at the beginning of another cycle something like
10 – 15 pitches you can then use him on consecutive days
20 – 25 one day rest
30 + 2 days rest
S.o.S.27
August 30th, 2007 at 11:45 am
With Manny being out for at least a week. If we can sweep today, I truly believe that we can comeback and take the division. Being that they have thrown their best against us the last 3 days, they could end up losing 2 of 3 in baltimore and it is a high probability that we sweep the rays this weekend. That would make it 3 games to catch in one month. I like our chances.
It starts with a sweep.
GO YANKEES!!!
AMEN to THAT !
I gotta think that the only pitcher unavailable today is Farnsworthless.
Viz could even be used as a specialty RHP against Ortiz.
P.S. Bob Micheals my closer is Mariano especially at times like this Joba for me pitches the 8th , Edwar the 7th or 9th & BRITTON !!! in the 6th or 7th
Brandon, if you used him on consecutive days, and he threw 15 and 15, would he require 0, 1 or 2 days off after that, do you think?
Does anyone know if Kennedy will be added to the roster before the first? If so,who will he be taking the place of?
As he’s no longer the ground ball machine he used to be, I’m guessing 6 GB today for Wang.
Finally found the audto
http://www.wfan.com/pages/223566.php
who is this Britton everyone is talking about?
Here’s a fun video clip of Ian Kennedy:
a) how he discovered he was called up
b) moose
c) his Saturday start at the “Coliseum�
d) packing and texting EVERYBODY
http://tinyurl.com/yvj3ae
Frits 15 pitches would not require day to day but 20 and up would. Remember a regular SP goes 5 -6 innings a day and the count is on 90 – 95 these days. In Joba you have a 21 yr. old that you want to keep throwing 98 – 99 mph 20 pitches would require a break in between unless we’re in the playoffs
Why would be want to push Joba to throw less pitches? If he knows he can pitch quicker with less pitches, wouldn’t he be more likely to pitch to put the ball in play rather than a strikeout? I think the last thing Joba should have on his mind is meeting some arbitrary pitch count figure, that could only screw him up.
Great, candid interview with Moose. He doesn’t place blame anywhere but on himself. He apologizes for not speaking the last two days.
I can’t blame Moose for not talking right away. It has to be tough for him right now.
The guy is a borderline HOF’er, was coming off 4 good starts, and just lost it. That’s got to be tough on him.
He just has to work on the side and hope he can find it again.
All he can do at this point. They don’t have the luxury to run a guy out there who is getting his brains beat out at the moment.
As Moose said, “I got to get my head in the right place again”. That, and some of the “aches and pains” he says he has, are best served with some time off.
Don’t forget the reasoning for the JOBA RULES is look at the FA starting pitchers next season there isn’t anone on that crop worth what Joba & Hughes would be. Joba is set to throw 250 innings next year and risking his health for anything is out of the question. ALL I HAVE TO HEAR IS NARDI CONTRERAS AND I SAID THIS SINCE LAST YEAR I TRUST NARDI CONTRERAS OVER ANY ANALYST/MANAGER/RADIO HOST/FAN IN THE USE OF JOBA CHAMBERLAIN OR ANYONE ELSE
Giambi had better stay in the game if we don’t have a lead in late innings.
Wow, Posada has a 1.088 OPS vs. Schilling, in 41 PA’s.Jorge’s rest will have to wait a day
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Curt should change the name of his website to 38pitchesbadly.com.
The Joba rules have nothing to do with next years free agents. They are there to protect the health of a valuable young pitcher while he fills a need of the team. The Yankees are very unlikely to sign a starter this offseason not nicknamed the Rocket.
After listening to the whole interview with Moose, it reiterates how glad I am that my job doesn’t require me to answer reporter questions after performing poorly (not that I have).
But listening to the questions…most of them leading questions…it would be hard to do so without becoming extremely sarcastic and guarded. And having to answer the same questions over and over would drive me crazy.
*Jeremy* just better hit and stop going hitless as a starting 1B the rest will take care of itself but fact is we don’t live and die on Giambi’s bat.
Brandon, there is no way Joba will throw 250IP next year. Unless that’s the last year the Yanks want to ever use him. lol
“Wow, Posada has a 1.088 OPS vs. Schilling, in 41 PA’s.Jorge’s rest will have to wait a day
)”
Seriously guys, stop pretending stuff like this matters. It’s getting annoying.
I hate the day games…
1) I cant watch them at work
2)it means I have to get off the couch and do something productive after work
I just saw 38hotdogs line this season against the yanks. pretty amusing to say the least.
Make Moose work for it.
If is wasn’t for him and Henn, they would likely be playing for the Division lead today.
They lit a fire under Giambi, and he is responding.
*Jeff NJ* how can you say it has nothing to do w/ it ? think about it if Johan Santana or Scott Kazmir were FA you think the Yankees wouldn’t bend the JOBA RULES even though they were mostly made for protecting him from Joe Torre overuse…. They are preping him to be the # 1 or 2 SP next year.
The talk of the Joba Rules, especially from TV Commentators (Steve Phillips) is laughable.
A bunch of guys, who have NO IDEA on how the kid is feeling in his first pro season, and they want to pass judgment on it.
Especially guys like Phillips, who has a MAJOR axe to grind when it comes to the Yankees.
Why should he even care? He has said the Yankees were “done” on April 29. Why should it matter to him how they use Joba?
They aren’t going to over-extend the kid. Sure, sometimes, its a bit foolish. For example, if he throws 10 pitches in an inning, there is no reason why he can’t be used the next day.
However, when you have a once in a generation arm (which he is), who is only 21, and a manager who has a significant history of burning out relief pitchers, rules have to be in place.
What’s funny is, even if rules weren’t in place, its doubtful he would have pitched last night. He threw 19 pitches, and had to work harder, than any other outing he has had Tuesday night. It was smart not to use him last night.
With rosters expanding, I would also submit there is no reason to use him for 2 innings anymore. They will have more arms to cover innings.
At this point, he is more effective, and move available, working one inning outings. That’s where it should stay for the rest of the year.
I am listening to ESPN Radio when I am waiting on today game.One guy who once a yankee player said the reason Wang wasn’t pitching good for couple games because Wang feel some shoulder soreness according to Gator.He said Wang is fine now.This news surprise me a lot and let me worry about the health of Wang.He always have shoulder problem.This doesn’t say great.Hopefully,Wang feel great now.That’s why I always feel this is the reason Wang’s command is not as good as the last season.The workload Wang had last season catch on him.That’s why I agree with Joba’s rule.Don’t mess around Kid’s future.We need that.
*raymagnetic* that’s around 35 starts how many starts you estimate Joba gets next year ?
Adam, then what does matter? Just pick 9 names out of a hat and throw them out there?
SJ44,
You’re right. I don’t know why Phillips makes such a big deal of the Joba rules either. He still is unable to pronounce “Joba” correctly. He continues to call him “Jobber!” Think of how big of a chore it would be to have to sit around him in a booth and listen to him for 9 innings. Shulman and Hershisher can’t get paid enough money!!
Brandon the chances of Joba reaching 250 innings next year are………*ZERO*
When is the last time a pitcher for any team hit 250 innings? Not exactly an easy task, especially for a rookie in this era! Geez.
Man, after listening to this Mussina interview I feel really bad for him. I think moving him out of the rotation for the time being is clearly the right move, but I hope he can work his way back to at least being an effective starter again.
I am trying to listen at work but it is so difficult to hear the audio. I dont have speakers on my computer, the sound comes out of the tower.
I’ll have to wait until I get home.
According to what Wang told to Taiwanese media,I know Wang won’t quit and keep pitching with it no matter what kind of injury he has.I am not saying he has a injury.This news just concern me a little bit.Wang want to help team to get to postseason so badly.This is Wang said to Taiwanese media after his last win in Detroit.
I am a huge Mussina fan, and I also agree it is the right move for now. He needed a break from pitching to clear his head. It just keeps getting worse the more you go out there and get smacked around.
Torre wants this game so bad he is having Posada catch a day game after night game…
Brandon, I still contend that the free agent crop has nothing to do with the Joba rules and everything to do with protecting a young pitcher early in his career. Cashman is all about getting younger. In fact I would not be the least bit surprised if the Yankees pass on John Santana 15 months from now. I mean, they will be close to in it to drive up the price, but it would not surprise me.
SJ, I heard Steve Philips this morning too, funny his new line is the Joba rules are going to hurt the Yankees. Trust me he will be the first in line to say I told you so if they bend the rules, Joba gets hurt, needs surgery and is set back 3 years.
“Adam, then what does matter? Just pick 9 names out of a hat and throw them out there?”
You can’t choose lineups based on small sample size stats like head-to-head performance. They can be misleading. It’s the complete wrong way to use statistics. I hope Torre isn’t dumb enough to rely on them when setting our lineup and instead uses other more meaningful metrics like a player’s career and season performance.
I like Giambi batting 7th and Matsui 5th rather than the other way around. This way the guy hitting after A-Rod isn’t slow (not that Matsui’s a speed demon)and hitting DP grounders into a defensive over shift, thus negating A-Rod’s baserunning ability. They also won’t be as inclined to walk or pitch around Matsui if A-Rod’s on 2nd and Posada’s up next. And, with Giambi likely being replaced for defense later in the game, his replacement (Phillips/Betemit) would be batting 7th, rather than 5th and behind A-Rod.
If I counted correctly there are currently 39 active spots on the 40 man roster. 1 spot will go to Mientky when he gets activated. So who gets dumped for Ian Kennedy? I would assume it would be Brower.
Brandon even if Joba gets 35 starts next year there is not way the yankees aren’t going to give him 100 more innings in a years time. That would surely be a recipe for arm trouble in the future.
Jessica I wouldn’t be so worried about innings that Wang has pitched this year. He missed nearly a month of the season so he isn’t near to where he would be in terms of innings thrown.
I don’t think 41 is a small sample size when it comes to head to head between a pitcher and batter. Torre factors it in, among other things: needed rest, who needs ABs, defensive factors, etc.
But head to head is a good judge because some batters hit certain pitchers better than others. Sometimes they just see the ball better coming out of certain pitchers hands.
Ranting Guy, Posada should really be hitting 5th. He’s the Yankees second best hitter this year and he rarely bats 5th for some reason only known to Joe Torre.
The last pitcher to hit 250 innings was Roy Halladay back in *2003*. He had 266 Innings an abnormally high amount.
The normal high these days is 225. Gone are the days of guys hitting 240-250 Innings Pitcher per year.
They better kill Schill today
this lineup has a .358 AVG,.373 OBP %, OPS of 1.003
meaning they better smack him around !!
Bobby & Jorge each have 14 hits vs Bloody Sock in 37 ABs
, Johnny kills Curt 7 for 26 w/ 3 2B
Jetes & Alex are 2nd w/ 13 and 9 hits
Robi is 9 for 25 w/ a HR
Melky is 4 for 15 w/ a 2B
THEY BETTER SWEEP !!!
PETE:
Thanks a ton for the Audio on Moose. That is the #1 reason this blog is GREAT!
That was a painful interview and I hope that Moose can contribute in some way down the line. 17 years of starting coming to an end can’t be easy for anyone.
That said I hope Kennedy does a great job in his place and extends the winning streak after this SWEEP!!!
I would ponder why Minky gets kept on the roster at this point. He will not be on the team if they make the playoffs we are back-logged at his position. Brower is probably the guy that gets cut but I think it is really 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
41 PA is an extremely small sample size, anyone that does statisical analysis can tell you this. It’s basically meaningless in the grand scheme of things. In fact, most of the head-to-head or situation specific “stats” the announcers use are like this and should be ignored.
I wasn’t talking 8 plate appearances here Adam. I was talking 41. I know that’s still small, but it is an indication. I mean, it is possible that Posada’s intricate ability to slap Schilling around is just non-existent based on a small sample size. But even then, even in a small sample size, you have a better shot of getting a good number if your underlying ability that is measured is also high. Jorge has hit like a monster off Schilling for the equivalent of 10 games. I’m not saying there’s no way he’ll go 0 for 4 today, I know about sample sizes and stuff. But I also know it’s a slightly better bet than someone with a .600 OPS over the same time.
Also, Jorge’s career numbers don’t change that much from day to day, so these numbers are to an extent useful when you decide when to give him a day off.
raymagnetic,I don’t worry about the workload Wang will have this season as well.I just concern the workload Wang had last season catching on him this season,but the good news is Wang missing the first month of this season.This will induce the workload obviously.
If Joba pitches 250 innings next year, he will have TJ Surgery in 2010.
He has NO CHANCE to see 250 next year. He may not even see 180 next year.
Asking him to throw 250 innings next year is how you kill young pitchers. Just ask Kerry Wood and Mark Prior.
Jeff, I heard that too.
Yeah, the Rules have really hurt the Yankees so far, haven’t they? They fixed their bullpen because of the rules and they aren’t burning out the same 2-3 guys every night.
The more I hear the guy talk, the more I wonder what the Wilpon’s were thinking when they hired him as a GM.
Its one thing to be a radio and TV buffoon. He has mastered that “skill”. Its another thing to believe the nonsense he spews which, clearly, he does.
Its further proof how badly ESPN has jumped the shark. To pass that guy off as a “baseball expert” ain’t exactly truth in advertising.
dont get me started on steve phillips and his yankee bashing. god, its sick
THIS FROM A RED SOX FAN
“42581. I think it’s obvious by pastorbill, 8/30/07 0:26 ET that our Red Sox are not a very good team right now. We started off great but since June we have been nothing more than a mediocre squad. There is no way we can beat a good team like the Yankees or the Angels in the playoffs. We may slip by Detroit if we get some breaks, but only if their good players like Verlander keep dropping like flies. I am unhappy with the manager who seems like he is drunk or asleep half the time. I’m unhappy with the injuries that are cropping up all of a sudden, just like last year. Youk had that oblique injury last year and it wrecked his season. Those things take forever to heal up. Gagne is a joke and we gave up some good talent for a 7th inning stiff? How could we give up a quality lefty who was tossing shutouts when the Yankees lineup, our main nemesis is mostly left handed? And this Gagne guy will walk after the season to close somewhere else. Crisp is nothing more than a minor leaguer offensively. I would have bet my left arm he was an up and coming star when we got him. What the heck happened to his big numbers with Cleveland? Drew may be the biggest disappointment I have ever seen in Boston. I can’t think of a single player who makes me want to puke like this guy does. What a physical waste of raw talent. When Theo saw his MRI’s he should have run. His power is gone. I admit it. I’m scared. The Yankees have hit Schill hard on several occasions and they are moving in for the kill. I can’t sleep at night. I swear I’m having bad dreams. Last night Posada showed up at my front door with his wife. His ears are huge. As for his wife, well forget it. I have a bad feeling about this season. I knew it was too good to be true. We’re gonna blow it.”
Talk about feeling the heat. ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY HAND THE DIVISION BACK TO US THIS YEAR.
i see why giambi is at first today . one , he only played 6 innings yesterday . two , he made a couple of nice nice plays yesterday and three , this is our A line-up . i’m glad torre put it out there .
I’m not talking about statistical analysis of the bonds or futures market where thousands and millions can be considered acceptable sample sizes. We are talking about head to head PAs where a 2 for 5 is considered small.
I just missed most of the interview on the pregame. Mike have anything interesting to say. He doens’t usually do Suzys interview.
“The starting pitching allowed 17 runs in the three-game sweep by the Angels. Of course, that’s been a problem all season. Mariners starters rank 27th in the majors with a 5.10 ERA, and it was a bad sign to see Felix Hernandez, who had won four straight starts, get roughed up for six runs.” (Diamond Daily)
This is why Phillips is such a clown. He thinks that Mariners have enough offense to make up for their pitching, but the Yankees don’t?
Jen – concur on Mussina.
“Also, Jorge’s career numbers don’t change that much from day to day, so these numbers are to an extent useful when you decide when to give him a day off.”
I assume Joe made this decision based on talking to Jorge rather than looking at 41 PA against 38pitches.com.
Wow they are scared in Baston. LOL
*Global Warming* I know that it’s just an estimation of 35 starts, unless he’s pitching 5 IP per game I guess they could go 20 starts for 6 IP that would be 120 IP then you’d have about 10 starts to divide the remaining 80 innings.
Moose said he was preparing as if he was going to start again in the future…but also stated he realized he has to be ready to go in case of an emergency due to injury either to another starter for a spot start…or as a long reliever or a reliever in extra innings.
Phil-
got any stock tips?
Joe is looking ahead. First he wants to sweep the soxs series. Next he knows tomorrow is a night game, followed by a day game. He wants him to catch the kid. If he rested him today, he still faces another day after night game.
So he will rest him Friday night and he can catch Kennedy on Saturday.
Joe is looking ahead. First he wants to sweep the soxs series. Next he knows tomorrow is a night game, followed by a day game. He wants him to catch the kid. If he rested him today, he still faces another day after night game.
So he will rest him Friday night and he can catch Kennedy on Saturday.
The one downside to innings caps and rookie pitchers is the month of October. Should Joba or Hughes or Kennedy have solid years and the Yanks are in the playoffs next year…they can’t just shut them down prior to a big October start because of the “caps.”
Does anyone know if the Yankee game will be on Sopcast? If so, could you please tell me the channel?
Berkshire Hathaway Class B stock.
that quote from the red sox fan is downright hilarious…i love it!
“I’m not talking about statistical analysis of the bonds or futures market where thousands and millions can be considered acceptable sample sizes. We are talking about head to head PAs where a 2 for 5 is considered small.”
5 PA is just as meaningless as 41 PA. I suggest picking up The Book (www.insidethebook.com) if you’re interested in learning more about this stuff and how a manager should correctly be using statistics to make in-game decisions and set lineups. The authors have done some really great analysis and show the dangers of relying on small sample stats. Remember, these are the same “stats” that Bill James has said make him regret starting the statistical revolution because of the way the media throws them around like they matter.
ive documented all the crap that steve phillips has said in the past few weeks, Here are his greatest hits:
http://migames.wordpress.com/2.....r-so-much/
bob c – please post here if you know in re: sopcast channel or any other way to listen/watch the game today w/o paying. thanks
Well back to work for me
I’ll be popping in and out.
I am a one-half stat / one-half feel person. Too much reliance on either and you’re in trouble in baseball. No need to pick up the book. Even the most meaningful stats can be manipulated to prove either viewpoint.
Maybe they should change the name of the web site from Fire Joe Morgan to Fire Steve Phillips.
Unless Kennedy can’t git-r-done, I’d keep him in the rotation the rest of the season and start Moose next year fresh. Unless Moose gets dealt off-season, which in reality might not be do-able.
Looks like the full season grind is too much for the Moose, so maybe spread out 150-180 innings over 5-6 inning starts thoughout the year? Hey, Clemens finishes spring training in May so he can have something left at the end. Maybe that’s the way?
I always liked him but I think he’s got a handful of good starts left next year and the rest will be a struggle. Looks like he’s most likely spent for this year. But there are scant options if Kennedy’s not able to handle it.
“Berkshire Hathaway Class B stock”
Isn’t that like a trillion dollars a share?
Boy Eck on NESN is hammering Schilling.
Yeah! Boston’s sportscasters. Sounds like they can’t stand him.
$3500 per share for Class B. The Class A stock is the one that costs hundreds of thousands per share.
Schilling cant stand Schilling
Talk about season innings caps … OK this may sound stupid but hear me out. If Hughes and Chamberlain have an innings cap for next year (they’re both far from ready for 200+ inning seasons) maybe they can be scheduled for ’split starts’ for a little while. In my mind (which maybe a vacuous if not scary place) they could both have the same spot in the rotation out of spring training, and be scheduled to go 4 (max 5) innings each with one relieving the other each game. When someone else (Moose?) gets injured or goes sour mid-season (this happens to at least one guy every year on every team) then move both kids up to full start where they’re expected to go 6-7-8 innings.
For those looking to watch the games with Sopcast, etc… check this site: http://www.myp2p.eu/MLB.htm
It has a schedule of the games and what they will be on. It has direct links so you can just click on it and it will load Sopcast or whichever one it is on.
Hope this helps.
Didn’t someone on here claim to have friends who work in the Boston clubhouse? What is their take on Schilling and how his teammates feel about him?
migames, i’m loving your site lately! keep up the good work.
One quick question before the game starts. These are the faces that I see in my head when reading this blog.
How accurate am I?
Jennifer – Jennifer Aniston and Jenny McCarthy.
Don Vito Bellamo – Marlon Brando.
Kat – Julie Newmar.
Rebecca – Rebecca DeMornay.
Steve M – Steve Martin
Donnienybaseball – Donald Arthur Mattingly
Jonathan – Jonathan Pappelbon
Carmine – Carmine Ragussa
Dr. Acula – The Count from Sesame Street
Chris in Fairfield – Chris Elliott
J-Dawg – Randy Jackson
Brandon – The guy from Beverly Hills 90210
Adam – One of the Beastie Boys
Santi – Santa Claus
Rob L – Rob lowe
8 back – 6 back
Ryan – The guy from The Office
Drew – Drew Henson
Pat – Pat Kelly
Boston Dave – David Letterman
SJ 44 – Reggie Jackson
Mel – Vic Tayback
38disasters.com – The Skipper from Gilligan’s Island
Global Warming – Al Gore
Phil – Phil Allard
Paolo – Paolo Rossi
Kasey – Kasey Anderson and Eddie Vedder
Bob C-
try channel 23459
Joe-
Blaaaah!
thanks frits…Michael Kay tries humor, sad
Oh god Angel Hernadez is behind the plate, that means lots of late strike calls.
Angel Hernandez thinks he’s a stage performer and tries to put on a one-man show.
Angel will most likely eject somebody today. He acts like all of the fans are there to see him.
no – class a is, over 100k
Joe,
How come I didn’t make your list?
In case anyone is interested, Kevin Goldstein has a scouting report on Ian Kennedy up today.
Here’s some of the highlights:
“With two days remaining before the September crunch, the Yankees are still in a position they’re not used to-–on the outside looking in. Seven games behind the Red Sox, our own Playoff Odds Report gives the Bronx Bombers less than a three percent chance to walk away with the American League East title, which they have done in each of the last nine years. The good news is that they have right around a 50/50 shot at the wild card–-currently a three-team race that also features Seattle and Detroit.
While it’s hard to talk about what’s gone wrong for a team with a 74-59 record, pitching is the reason New York’s nine-year run of American League East titles is coming to an end this year. The offense leads the American League by hitting .291/.364/.465 as a team and averaging a whopping 5.9 runs per games, but the pitching staff and defense, giving up 4.8 per contest, ranks eighth of 14 teams. The team has had its share of injuries, but also its share of ineffectiveness. While nobody (not even the Yankees) expected stardom, Japanese import Kei Igawa was supposed to be a solid back-of-the-rotation option, but instead he lasted 12 games with a near-seven ERA before going to the minors. Dealing with the injuries and waiting for Roger Clemens, rookies like Tyler Clippard (6.33 ERA in six starts) and Matt DeSalvo (6.18 in his six) weren’t up to the task, and while Philip Hughes was, he went and got hurt himself.
Now, after struggling much of the year, the usually dependable Mike Mussina has completely fallen off the cliff, especially in his last three starts:
Date IP H R ER BB SO
8/16 5.0 9 7 6 2 2
8/21 1.2 7 7 7 2 1
8/27 3.0 9 6 6 1 0
TOT 9.2 25 20 19 5 3
On Wednesday, manager Joe Torre and his staff decided to skip Mussina’s next turn in the rotation. In previous years, this would call for some minor league veteran like Darren Hall or Darrell May or Donovan Osborne to make the spot start, but the Yankees are doing something different this year. First off, there are no such players in their current Triple-A rotation for the first time in ages–-they’re all prospects of varying degrees. Secondly, Joe Torre has learned a valuable lesson this year, one that will serve him well now that the Yankees actually have a good minor league system-–sometimes, going with the kid is the right choice. His evidence is simply Joba Chamberlain, who is quickly becoming a legend, despite pitching in just eight games. In those eight games, Chamberlain has delivered ten innings of shutout baseball, allowing just four hits and three walks while striking out 17. The overwhelming majority of his appearances have made the SportsCenter highlight reel, and how many non-closing relievers can say that, unless they’re giving up the big hit?
So now, in desperate need of a starter, with Clippard and DeSalvo looking like flavors that the Yankees don’t want to taste again, the team turns to the player that was actually drafted 20 selections before Chamberlain last June and received twice the bonus: Ian Kennedy.
On paper, Kennedy is ready. Like Chamberlain, Kennedy started the year in Tampa, and advanced all the way to Triple-A Scranton Wilkes-Barre without encountering even the smallest bump in the road:
Team Level G IP H BB SO ERA OppAVG
Tampa A+ 11 63.0 39 22 72 1.29 .183
Trenton AA 9 48.2 27 17 57 2.59 .163
ScrantonWB AAA 6 34.2 25 11 35 2.08 .205
Total 26 146.1 91 50 163 1.91 .182
Outstanding numbers? Without question. Deserving of a shot? Certainly. More so than anyone else in the system? Yes, again. The second savior of the staff, with Joba being the first? Nope. Sorry, folks.
Let’s start with the basics on a scouting level. Kennedy is smallish (6′0), and his best pitch is a power changeup, which features heavy, late movement, and rates somewhere around a 60 on the 20-80 scouting scale according to most. He throws a two- and four-seam fastball, and rarely even touches 90 mph with his heaters. His curveball is an average offering. That kind of stuff just doesn’t jive with those numbers above. So how is he doing it? Command and control. Kennedy’s command and control scores rank with anyone in the minors. Don’t judge this solely by the walk rate; it’s about locating your pitches, setting up hitters, and never giving them something good to hit. For example, Greg Maddux, even in his prime, walked more batters than Carlos Silva, but obviously had far better command and control.
So now, before we go projecting stardom, let’s do a quick exercise based on what we know. Close your eyes, and try to think of every starting pitcher in the big leagues. Now think of every good right-hander who is six-foot or under and sits in the upper 80s. Done with your list? It’s not a long one, is it? In fact, it’s probably at zero, unless you count guys like Maddux who actually did sit consistently in the low 90s during his peak years.
Kennedy is pretty much the poster child for the kind of player who can put up ridiculous numbers in the minor leagues, but when it comes to the majors, he’s not as good. This is not a rip job on Kennedy by any means whatsoever. He’s a very good prospect, profiling as a solid number three or four starter in the big leagues for a long time. Those players are remarkably valuable (just look at last winter’s free agent market for evidence). But unlike Chamberlain, Yankees fans shouldn’t be expecting greatness from him, either now or in the future.”
Yep your accurate
Jeff NJ – Jeff NJ
angel hernandez is a major league a*hole.
So much for the highlights. I didn’t realize I had the whole thing copied, and now there is no way to go back and edit it down.
Joe,
Like I said, more Alice than Flo. But I do wear a t-shirt when I cook.
Jennifer has to be someone from “9 to 5″ Multitasking her work with blogging.
don’t get offended by the profanity. angel hernandez killed my dad.
Let’s go CMW. BTW guess who leads the AL in homeruns given up this season?
Phil Allard is slightly older than me…by about 25 years.
Life is wonderful when your class gets cancelled, meaning that you can rush back home in time for the game…
BRING OUT THE BROOMS!
mel – johan santana.
JOE,
How do I get in the family circle of trust?
I always pictured SJ44 as a wise old man with a pipe…Michael Kay mentioned the squirrel….i like him again
1B umpire Ted Barrows is sporting the 90210 style sideburns.
Brady Anderson sideburns?
I tried to upgrade my tickets last night and the only tickets that were available were 260.00 seats.
So needless to say I stayed in my nosebleeds.
i thought that wagner was a ground out pitcher
Wang need to keep his pitches down.
Exactly…Brady and his 50 home run season…hmmmm, could that have been chemically aided?
fritz,
Ding, ding, ding. You when the prize! I think last year’s winner was Beckett?
jennifer, i was on the third base side about 15 rows from the field. we had a great view of some raucous fighting going on in the nosebleeds of the 1st base side, near RF. were you up there?
Nice K of Ortiz!
Striking out Papi.
I like it.
Wang is throwing 94,95 on the YES Gun, an impressive feat.
I think it’s fair to say that CMW has his A+ stuff today.
What did Big Papi do?
Good first inning for Wang. Time for our bats to take over!
Marc,
How about Marc Antony or Marc Anthony?
Phil: Read Luis Gonzalez
9 pitch inning. Lets go Wang give us 8 inning and bring the K-JOB in.
The Roman or the singer?
neither game day or espn game cast have even registered a pitch for wang v. ortiz yet. come on!
i am at work today and listening to the game on my xm myfi
wow sometimes it’s just brutal hearing suzyn.
pardon me: NOR
Phil, migames: I’ve always suspected Adrian Beltre too, although that was in a contract year for him.
Correction 12 pitch inning.
marc,
Wang threw one inside and down and it was to late for Ortiz to hold off. Shwing and a miss. Good AB…for us. There’s that late strike call on Damon.
Gameday is frozen:
Ortiz – K.
Damon – F8.
Jeter singled to center softly.
Here comes a Bobby double
turn off usher
someone tell manny that the 80’s ended 17 years ago
I’ll give you the singer. That way you can smile when you think about going home.
The Orioles used to have a catcher named Mickey Tettleton who said Fruit Loops cereal game him his power…I think it was laced with the clear.
Jeter’s single was hit hard, but had so much spin on it that it dropped like a stone.
Mickey Tettleton….good one
Gameday still frozen:
Abreu K.
509?
Mel,
She would spend all my money.
Schilling has a Mussina like fastball nowadays I see. He’s only hitting 85,86 on the gun.
They’re going to have to make Schilling work hard. How do those skinny legs support that giant torso and big head?
Tettleton’s arms went from the size of twigs to bigger than my thighs in about one year. At the time, my family had O’s season tickets and there was a signing for season ticket holders before every year. Up close, Tettleton and Brady were skinny kids one year and hulks the next.
I think Mussina’s fastball is better
Has schilling hit 90 on the gun yet?
Me no like Schilling.
Dr. Acula…a Mitch Hedburg reference???
SOS-he topped out at 87
SOS-he topped out at 87
Rebecca-
which school?
Schilling once again showing us why he’s a big game pitcher. Simply the best there is.
Mitch H. was a funny, great comedian.
Dr. Acula–Syracuse.
Why?
A-Rod…there is patience, then there is taking the flippin’ bat off your shoulder !!!….find a happy medium ! DANG ! How does he take THAT pitch ?
I was in section 21. There were fights to my left and fights to me right.
Tons of cops up there. And I thought that and was hoping that someone would punch the soxs fans in front of me. I knew as soon as they walked in that they would be annoying. About the 6th is when people started to get on them.
why are all of wangs pitches being called balls when gameday shows them in the strike zone? is Gameday off??
Here we go again. Where was that 3rd pitch!!!
O.k. so it has to be smack dab down the middle for Wang to get a called strike?
The have to change their approach to Schilling today. Both Abreu and Arod took BP fastballs in the middle of the plate.
Be more aggressive with him today. He has nothing. No need to work counts if he is trying to get ahead early with that BP fastball.
Hughes Your Daddy? – nice catch
And we all said Giambi couldn’t play defense.
Guess he didn’t like that very much.
Ok no need for andy
loving that DP baby!
must say, i LOVE those double plays!
Giambi for Gold Glove!!!
Gaimbi laying out for the catch!!Gotta love it.
Dare I say… Giambi for Gold Glove???
Do I smell a Gold Glove for the Giambino?
Andy Phillips would have missed that….
“why are all of wangs pitches being called balls when gameday shows them in the strike zone? is Gameday off??”
I think it’s getting data off the questec system. Or something analogous. So, no, I think the ump just stinks. It’s pretty tough to pitch when you get neither high strikes nor low strikes.
How long has it been since Wang had a double play turned for him?
Giambi changed his name, Jason Mattingly
Gold glove for Giambino!
I guess Jeter and Cano want to get Giambi a Palmeiro-like Gold Glove this year.
Man, Giambi has made two amazing plays at first the last two games.
No way he makes those plays last year.
Haha maybe Giambi can give Jeter a few days off and play short
Can they move first base back to where it supposed to be.
The infielders are really testing Jason today.
Nice double play.
I’m so sick of Yuckilis;
I rather see him homer than walk!
Who’s playing first? Too round to be Phillips and too skinny to be Giambi.
Wow, Jason is making a case to be the everyday first baseman! Got to give him credit – he used his time on the DL to heal AND get into playing shape.
Go Jason. We’re a much better team if he can play first every day and give this kind of performance.
Gameday can’t be getting it off of Questec because not all parks have it. But I doubt Gameday is off by very much if at all.
wang got his sink going
“Gaimbi laying out for the catch”
This is what I’ve always said…he can CATCH the ball no problem. The rest of his defensive game is mediocre at best, and there’s always the specter of injury when he plays the field. But he’s a good receiver at 1B.
The only person left out of the playing rotation is the He-Man Hulk known as Shelley Duncan.
Rebecca-
just wondering who’s back.
Giambi would have made that play too
“Gameday can’t be getting it off of Questec because not all parks have it. But I doubt Gameday is off by very much if at all.”
The parks where they show the speed and the break and the pfx stuff I believe are the ones that do have questec.
Roberto Kelly would have made that play
Could be but if that’s true. What happens to all the pitches that don’t have all that information in the middle of the pitches that do. Does it just not read the pitch or something?
Over shift on Jorgie? Thats a new one.
Posada trying to outrun Schilling with a bunt attempt.
Can someone tell Posada hes not fast enough to beat out a bunt,even if the center fielder had to come in and field it.
Dr. A–
No problem! We’re in our first week back.
i love how cracked-out giambi looks in his gameday photo.
ESPN Gameday showed that swinging strike 3 to Jorge right down the middle, but Sterling said it was way off the plate and low. What gives? I guess we shouldn’t really worry about complaining based on Gameday.
If gameday gets their info off of the questec system, I think they need to rethink Questec. That gameday is off half the time
This really makes me wonder how Gameday works.
i found this interesting….on bostons current 25 man roster only 3 guys are from there farm sysetem….the yankees have 13
i am pretty sure that the pitches called via the gameday is not from questec because not all stadiums use it.
there is a person who actually works behind the scenes as a tech for gameday.
I wanna know if Gaimbi sweats prefusely or does he shower every every minute of the day.
I guess it is off questec if it gives all that info. Its pretty cool.
i don’t like the way schilling cruised through those two innings getting easy outs and 3 k’s. he doesn’t look to have dominant stuff and most of his 2-seam/cutters are 86-88. we should jump all over him.
also questec uses cameras, i dont think they use any series of lasers or anything
***INFORMAL POLL***
Which Red Sox player do you hate the most?
frits: schilling
Paddy R- The second time for us through the order against Schilling could be when we get it going.
Thats a nasty slider. ITs really come along this season. Big improvement on Wangs second pitch
Where’s the whining about Giambi’s defense? Anyone?
And no, Pete, pulling Giambi last night for a pinch runner did not work out. Phillips came to bat in a high leverage situation (I believe it was 2 on, 2 out). It was a stupid move to pull Giambi for a defensive replacement in the 6th inning, Giambi could have blown that game open last night.
“If gameday gets their info off of the questec system, I think they need to rethink Questec. That gameday is off half the time”
Is it off on pitches where they actually show the path of the pitch and have the speed readings and stuff? Or when they don’t have that data?
Are they complaining on the TV broadcast that wang is getting squeezed? I mean, it’s looked like there have been about 5 clear strikes called balls.
frits,
Kevin Youkilis, just because most would say Schilling.
Mike, I think you are wrong, off hand they have Papelbon, Pedroia, Youk, and Varitek. Not sure if there is anyone else. But yes, you’re right with all the flak the Yankees farm has gotten we have way more home grown talent that has graduated to the majors.
INFORMAL POLL
Which Red Sox player do you hate the most?
—————–
Curt Schilling
Jason Varitek
Beckett
nice Mohawk Hinske….maybe after your drop your average below .200, you can simply have ” I can’t hit for sh*t ” shaved into the side of your head !….moron….The Boston Idiots….maybe the team should just dump Red Sox and just called themselves the Idiots….I’ll be a huge percentage of the “Nation” would embrace the idea ! LMFAO !!!
pedroia
INFORMAL POLL
Manny Schilling
POLL:
Pedroia
I got a kick out of Prematurely balding shorty swinging for the fences last season and the atart of this season but now he just annoys me. Can he manage to not dive for any routine ground ball in play?
I’ll BET a huge % of the Nation…..etc.
INFORMAL POLL
actually, can we still say Pedro?
Naming the Red Sox player you hate most isn’t much of a challenge. Can you name you respect (or at least tolerate)?
Wakefield. That damn pitch of his annoys me, but he piles up the wins and he seems like a nice enough guy.
I’m going to have to vote Beckett, because he’s so petulant.
Then:
Schilling
Youkilis
Varitek
It was no fun heckling Hinske last night. It was kind of sad, actually.
Ray,
Varitek was acquired through a trade with Seattle and played just 20 games in the Red Sox minor league system. He is not home grown.
Who is that Giambi at first?!?! did we get the same one!?!?
Giambi! You wants to play!
I had never seen the Gameday with the break and pitch speed. It seems to be more accurate. I think its pretty cool. I dont think it is off of Questec. I think it is just a new feature. Does anyone know if Philadelphia has Questec?
Fit Jason for a Gold Glove!
raymagnetic, i dont count Varitek cause he was drafted by seatle…but either way the yanks need more recognition
Does anyone know if there is a way to listen to the game live on the radio from my computer at work????
Got to take it to 38bitches while they can.
ROBINSON!!!
mlb.com audio
I had never seen the Gameday with the break and pitch speed. It seems to be more accurate. I think its pretty cool. I dont think it is off of QuesTech. I think it is just a new feature.
Thank you!! is it free????
any one else have a hard time posting comments there for a minute?
cano baby!
Schilling has nothing. If we come out of this inning with only one run it will be a very bad omen.
The Mouth wasnt fooling anyone that inning. Alex just missed it
Scott-
You can get the readio feed through an mlb.com subscription. Video too, but it doesnt usually work very well.
I know it’s a bit late now, but way to go Robbie!!
No, I believe there is a subscription of $9.99 / month?
We should have had more runs that inning, but Damon was robbed of a hit and Abreu just missed. Only bad out was Arod’s pop out.
I don’t like that luck building up. I think it might be a nail biter.
I also loves how on NESN yesterday Remdawg kept talking abou Beckett putting out a “gritty” performance and said nothing about Clemens. If anything Clemens was gritty since he was obviously struggling with control and Beckett was getting thrashed
Giambi’s recent stint on the DL was supposedly for a bad foot, further research has shown that he was really learning to play 1st base.
i hate that manny ortez guy that j.kerry kept talking about.
but for real,
Manny and Ortiz both because of how they watch they’re homeruns…just plain bad sportsmanship
Shilling, because he’s shilling
Youk, because he’s ugly. and because he always gives us a hard time.
varitek because he leaves his mask on to fight. and accuses everyone else of stealing signs.
most respect? lowell, but they’ll ship him off. used to be damon and trot cause they play hard, but they got shipped off.
Yeah, no leadoff walk this time!
I like this new kid we have playing first, how’s his bat?
Thank you Phil and Mike T!!
Marc and S.o.S.27,
Despite reading Pete since he started at the Journal News, I’m fairly new to the blog, so I’m still learning who all the regulars are.
nick in SF – it’s so-so, but he makes up for it with intangibles
Yeah I couldn’t post a comment either.
I don’t like Varitek, Papelpon, Manny, Drew, Beckett, and Schilling.
Wang is not getting the close calls… hope it goes both ways as the boys sit of schill’s FB.
how dare they call him greek god of walks when he jewish. God, Michael Kay sucks it
whats up with all these walk today and yesterday
Joe,
Just tell me Im in the circle and I forgive.
This team (besides J.D. Drew) doesn’t chase anything out of the zone…
Wangster is on his game today!
The Greek God of Walks name is from “Moneyball.”
migames – he’s not jewish by blood, he’s converted/practicing, but greek by blood.
I dislike punk Pedroia the most, who should pay his rook dues before acting and talking like the rest of the clowns on that team. Varitek, Papelbon, and Beckett are tied for 2nd-worst with a big thumbs down for Manny too.
Actually like Lester, Lowell, Wake, Timlin, and previously Foulke.
Dislike only because they are Sox DiceK and Schilling.
Respect Ortiz but dislike the way he is so dramatic in the batters box, pounding his hands together tlike the 2nd coming, glaring at the ump for every close call and profiling on every deep drive. Plus he is only half a player.
I’m not worried about Wang walking Ukelele. It’s not like he will steal any bases, unless they give him a lead of 15 steps!!
Catchers’ movements behind the plate bother some pitchers, others not so much. I sometimes wish Jorge (with Wang) could get set earlier. He’s getting into his “final crouch” while Wang is already into his windup; not so much during stretch.
Talk about choke job. Mets are getting their a$$e$ handed to them. The phills look like they are going to take over that division.
I didn’t realize Pete had become a doctor and could forsee an injury to Giambi, just by playing 1st base.
i know i know where the nickname comes from. I just hate how michael kay said it.
who cares about Martina Navratilova. WHy dont they talk about the squirrel
If the Phillies make the playoffs, Manuel better get manager of the year, especially with what he’s done with all those injuries…
yesterday boston was getting alot of bad calls now today the yanks are gettin all the bad calls
What’s happening on the field is always secondary to promoting YES network original programming.
Bah, not enough pitches this inning.
Schilling is throwing 85 that is Mussina-esque they better shell this fat loser
Apparently, the Yankees pitcher today is just Clemens in Wang’s skin.
Bob from NJ,
They pulled Giambi because Pedroia & Crisp (guys who bunt)were coming up.
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Informal Poll:
Co-winners: Beckett and Ortiz
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Those strikes on Matsui & Posada are being
balls for Schilling.
I am getting a bad feeling with all of these free passes, and one run against Schilling despite all the hard hit balls off the meat he is throwing.
Angel is not doing Wang any favors behind the plate.
i don’t have a good feel here they should have knocked 38 out of this game he’s got squat. Can’t ask the wanger to pitch shutout
Holy Squirrels!
You know, the Yankees needed their starting pitchers to come up HUGE this series.
So far, they have (not that there hasn’t been a little bit of luck along the way, but I’ll sooo take it.)
will we see gagme today?
Wang is getting away with the walks. Much like Clemens last night, none of the walks have hurt him yet, even though that’s a dangerous way to pitch obviously.
38pitches.com
What a joke.
Look the first time it was on here it was funny.
It’s getting repetive.
Somehow I doubt we will see Gagne today unless Boston explodes with runs or the Yanks run away with it. i haven’t seen Boston use Gagne is over a week.
S.o.S.27,
Ok. You’re in the circle.
is there a protocol on this blog in re: mentioning or not-mentioning certain things that may or may not be occurring w/r/t pitchers?
Farns is not available today according to the Farns rules
Where have you gone Mr. Robinson?
Oh. Right. You left the park. (Again).
WHEE!
Suzy and John are in the process of jinxing Wanger. Robbie can doncha know.
Everyone at work just realized that our emails are down. LOL We haven’t gotten any new ones in hours.
Wow. Cano 2 back to back HR’s!
C-YA! Holy Squirrels!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that wrigley’s Cano is chewing? Double the pleasure, double the fun!
Robbie!!!!
YAY! 2 homers for Robbie!!!
cano!
No Hitter so for for Wang through 5 innings. WOW.
It’s the Robbie Cano show. Don’t you know!
robi cano – what do you know…
*HIP
HIP
CANO!!*
That’s two to the opposite field.
Frits: You do not mention anything is the general established rules, and saying the words is VERBODEN.
“Dear Diary Robi owned me again, I can’t get him out” – Curt Schilling
frits, there is
I think Robbie is trying to impress the hotties near the dugout
who can blame him.
that’s what i suspected, unfortunately NYY has broken the protocol.
Robbie’s really helping out Wanger today.
Still a no hitter for him (4 walks though)
We need to hit Shelling around this inning, looks like 38pitches.com is losing his control again.
My Cano jersey paid for itself.
Gah, NYY, WHY?
Johnny, WHY?
Wang has a no hitter thanks to Giambi… Although we shouldn’t be talking about this.
Ohhhhhh tough luck there… =/
That’s the second hit Damon should have had this game.
I can see why no one would want to mention anything to Wang himself, but I’ve never believed that announcers mentioning something can jinx on-field activities. But something through 5 innings isn’t the hugest deal anyway, I always feel like it really starts getting tense in the 7th. Hope we get to see it!
what the hell is wrong w/ everybody? no sense.
If it was raining soup, Johnny’s bowl would be hanging upside down.
Jennifer,
Thanks for the scores by text messaging info you gave me yesterday. I’m 6 hours behind, so I’m usually on the road during game time. It’s going to be my savior.
we haven’t been. you have. and nyy too.
Nice hit for Jeter…would have been a RBI if not for that DP…
Through 5 2/3 innings
Jetes/Cano/Melky 5-5
Rest of the team 0-14
I didnt know that Wang was doing it till Kay mentioned it
Hate to say…I’d rather it not happen. That way Joe doesn’t have the dilemna of whether to leave him in the ninth with a high pitch count. Plus, today is Joba’s turn in the bullpen rotation. I want to hear “Indian Outlaw” blasting over the stadium speakers and the crowd roar as he jogs in.
“Dear Diary they’re hitting me again” – Curt Schilling
I love the way the Captain just eats up Boston… especially the Schil
I saw another poster named Joe. What kind of a site is this????? How can we both post under the same name? He’s goibg to take credit for all my witty comments.
“dear Diary, I suck and vote for George W Bush”
Curt Schilling
No problem Mel. it is a life saver. LOL
Yankees should be up 5-0 or 6-0 right now. Just bad luck offensively, they’ve hit the ball really well.
Let’s hope the defense holds up…
And no mentioning anything!!!!!!!
It is irritating how lucky Schilling gets.
The horshope has passed to Schilling. Snuck away to watch that inning and he has NOTHING. Faced 5 batters and gave up a walk, two deep drives to left center and two line-drives. We should have broken the game open there, but Damon’s hit and run swing found a glove.
can’t wait to read the Boston Globe tomorrow
whoever’s using the text messaging, you might also try GOOGL for a text option.
send “yankees” to 46645.
Jennifer,
Can you do it for other teams and other sports?
I can think of no greater joy than 55,000 New Yorkers shutting Schilling up.
i hate schilling more than any other ballplayer not named bonds. youkilis is a close second. there’s not really any boston player i enjoy watching, as even ortiz gets annoying with his admiration of his own homers. i guess wakefield’s supposed to be a good guy, though.
Giambi’s new nickname shall be “THE GLOVE”
You heard it here first.
I don’t know, but I would assume so.
Thact check-swing call on was the worst since the Willie Bloomquist “steal”.
I am LOVING the strike outs of Papi!!!!
@#$% the Squirrel!
i have alot of respect for david ortiz and he dosent seem like a bad guy…schilling on the other hand i hate more then anyone in baseball much more then bonds
Go sit down, Big Papi!!
If we’re going to go with the question of which Sock do you not mind, I’d have to say Manny. Can’t stand his grandstanding at the plate after his majestic homeruns (he acts like they all are), but he seems the be the best guy.
They got screwed on that check swing. I think the crowd was cheering because Angel got hit. 6 innings of no hit ball!
Giambi’s recent flashes of glove brilliance reminds me of Farnsworth last couple of weeks of decent pitching. Besides last night who do you trust more? Giambi’s glove for 7 innings or Farnsworth for an inning in a must hold situation.
Wanger smacks the crappi out of papi
sit down PAPI!
Varitek’s alright. Pedroia seems to be a gamer. They had a shot of Papi talking with a cop in the dugout last night. The “idiot” mentality seems to have largely worn off, and I find myself hating fewer and fewer Sox players. I’ll never like Manny or Schilling, and Papelbon irritates the hell out of me. Looks like a cabbage patch kid on steroids.
Wang to Big Poopi: “Go back to your BBQ ribs”
Michael Kay is really trying his best to jinx the you know what. I really hope I get the chance to meet Kay one of these days so I can punch him right in the nose.
Unbelievable. I mean it really is disgusting for Michael Kay to do that everysingle time he gets a chance. Not that Michael Kay has any super power to influence but it’s just one of those things you don’t say, especially when your CALLING the game.
The biggest jinx of all time. You got the crown Michael, I hope your happy with it.
On a happier note, Go CMW!
Not saying anything but wouldnt it be nice against boston. Not only sweep but…… NOT GOING TO SAY IT.
did Joba teach CMW to throw that wicked slider with that much bite? WOW!! I don’t recall him throwing it with that much bite before!
please don’t call him ‘big papi’ it’s the most irritating nickname in sports.
Wait until these 2 teams play in Boston. There’s plenty of hotties up there…
http://img86.echo.cx/img86/2235/freckles7md.jpg
There is zero correlation between Kay talking and Wang’s pitching. Relax.
There are no Chien-ming Rules, Wang can throw 150 pitches if he hasn’t let the Red Sox do, um, something. As far as I’m concerned, that is.
I was at the game in Oakland when David Cone was making his first start since his aneurysm and had a… certain thing going until he was pulled due to pitch count. Exciting stuff!
man the yankees should be up like 8-0.. they’re just barely missing centering the ball.. at least Cano’s done it..
You know what? You’re not jinxing anything. He’s thrown 88 pitches? Best case scenario? Allows a two-out bleeder, Viz gets one out and you get Joba in the 8th.
Last thing you want to do is mess with individual achievements when you’ve thrown 125 pitches and are only up by two runs.
“Not that Michael Kay has any super power to influence but it’s just one of those things you don’t say, especially when your CALLING the game.”
There is a logical contradiction here. You say he has no power to influence anything. So, him saying something about it in the booth can’t possibly have any effect whatsoever. And yet you’re mad at him anyway.
You sure you don’t just find him annoying and want excuses to complain?
Walk in, turn on the TV and what do I see?
A no-hitter in progress; just brightens my day.
is it just me or is the trying to make schilling complete the game? what’s up with the 1-pitch outs. jeezzz…
i hope joba pitches today bc if we dont torre is gonna use him 2 out of 3 for the drays and only once for seatle…
where is Negativity Rules now ? I mean he is SO RIGHT…It is clear that Schilling is truly the best pitcher ever and Wang is just some punk. How the Yankees ever imagine they can win while trotting out such a purely awful pitcher day after day after day is beyond me !
EY, lol.
Schilling is irritating because of his mouth. He’s such a busybody and is always in everyone’s business. You know, like the guy who gives unsolicited advice? But he’s such a clown, like Shef, that you can basically just ignore him.
it is unreal how schilling is getting through this game. probably similar thoughts from us that red sox fans had yesterday about clemens -> old guy pitching smart enough to get outs
Global, Kay has a bizarre personal gripe about the perception that broadcasters can jinx games. He once likened the belief in jinxes to Nazi atrocities. He’s probably thinking that everyone who believes in jinxes can screw themselves.
I am more interested in Wang’s pitch count. I hope he can go 8 innings with Joba closing it out, as Mo has pitched 2 days in a row and this being a day after night game.
squirrels. posada wants to get back to catching
Another inning of near-misses. Schilling shold have given up 5 HRs by now.
I’m happy with a Yankees win.
I’m ecstatic with a Yankees win and a Schilling loss.
Anything else is details.
“He’s thrown 88 pitches?”
if the zone’s as silly as gameday would have us believe, he should have WAY fewer pitches. But, yeah…unless they start swinging at the first pitch and making outs, nothing special is going to happen.
On the other side, it’s maddening to watch schilling shut down everyone but robbie. They should take a cue from him against soft-tossers. Don’t think too much, just see the ball and hit it where it’s pitched.
They totally let 38pitches.com off way too easy there…and he got extra lucky today. 76 pitches through 6.
Pretty soon, some of those flyouts aren’t going to come back. Don’t worry about the no-hitter, just win the game!
Mets have closed to 5-4.
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2.....rfect.html
I’m just saying fellas.
Get off the ring.
NYJane-
They are making one-pitch outs because he is throwing first pitch “fatsballs” down the center of the plate. The generic “work the pitcher” refrain isn’t always the best approach, particularly against a guy who is throwing strikes early without much on them.
You got it, Rebecca. Anything else is just icing on the cake.
I know he goes on and on how he dislikes people who believe in jinxes. Well guess what KAY I BELIEVE IN THEM!! So i’m glad he doesn’t like me, since I don’t like him.
He was soooo out. That is not fair. AT ALL.
?? Was he safe or out?
Happiness i pitching to Big Papi with 2 outs, a 2-run lead and nobody on base. Let’s get another run and then keep it that way.
Too many pitches from Wang to worry at all about a no-hitter. I’m still worried about winning this sucka.
I hate seeing Pukellis hit…he just won’t get out!
WTF????????????????? GIAMBI
Where’s Andy Phillips!
Giambi missed him. Error on Jeter.
The difference is, aside from a couple walks, Clemens had the Sox hitters off-balance most of the time. Today we’re knocking Schill all over the place, he’s just getting a lot of lucky (or crafty, if you want to be charitable) breaks.
Come on DP!!
Come on
Exactly. Just win the game. The other stuff is just icing on the cake.
I don’t believe in a jinx.
I don’t believe in Santa Claus.
Now, back to reality, Wang has flirted with a no-no before. No butterflies in his stomach.
That is the only instance when you should slide into first base.
gotta make that play
he was safe…dp coming up
Why didn’t Giambi tackle Youkalis?
I HATE Boston. Have I ever mentioned that?
ughhhhh
CMW, just hang in and get the win now!
Damnit…! =(
At least the pressure is off for no hitter.
You gotta bring in Viz right here
JOBA TIME!
swear words. lots of them
Wang at 95 pitches. Viz warming.
This game is so freakin’ maddening. We are pounding drives all over the park and now the game is in the balance on two nothing ground balls.
triple play
get jobba up for the 8tj
His pitch count was way too high for a no-no anyway.
Now let’s get through this inning and break it open.
He ran way out of the baseline.
he was out of the baseline
Way to jinx it, Peter!
His pitch count was too high anyway, oh well. Let’s hold onto the lead.
no question
HE SHOULD BE OUT!
Check his cleats, he has grass stains!
rotten lowell…at least they won’t kill wang trying to keep it in tact…
joba is gonna prob close 2night
DOUBLE PLAY HE RAN OUT THE LINE YOU SOMAMABI*** !!!!!
WTF is ump doing????? He so went out
FINALLY a good call by the umps.
Good conferencing on the umpires part.
double play!!!
HAHAHAHAHA Go back and sit down, PUKE-llis
Great call. Glad they had the guts to get together to this one right.
They made the right call, I’ve just picked my jaw off the ground.
good job by the umps
Now would be a great time for Watson to go and check to see if Francona is wearing his uniform top.
At least some of the umps are conspiring against us!
and they just tossed Francona.
wow. drew is really turning into a great weapon against his own team. thanks jd
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Francona’s out
The squealing pig is arguing are you kidding me!!!!!!
That should be AREN’T! I cannot spell!!!!
And to think, I used to not hate Youk. What a little baby.
Angel Hernandez loves the amount of camera time he is getting.
What are these idiots complaingin about? Youk took 3 steps on the infield grass to avoid the tag.
help explain. any runs?
Check Francona for Francona’s Jersey!
Alfred E. Neuman-
I’ll match my Yankee Grrls against Red Sox Nation any day of the week and twice on Saturday nite.
As if!!
pukeliss will get thrown out
Francona’s frustrated and he is also trying to ice Wang, unless he’s coming out of the game or something.
Francona’s frustrated and he is also trying to ice Wang, unless he’s coming out of the game or something.
They are just trying to ice C-MW in the middle of an inning. Weak.
Good job by the Umps overturning that one.
You know, out of all the a$$holes on that team, Bootlip (youk) is probably on the top of my list. I hate that guy more than the red letter B
If Youkilis isn’t on steroids or something close to it, then I’m Britney Spears y’all.
HEY I MISSED THE PLAY. I was out of my office. someone please explain!!!!
I can’t spell and now everything is coming out twice!
I changed my mind,I HATE PUKALIS THE MOST. Everytime I see this guy he’s arguing. You would think he’s an all-star with all the mouthing off he does to umps.
103 pitches through seven.
Seven innings, one hit.
I’m not complaining.
Youk almost hit the squirrel trying to avoid the tag
just give wang the cy young right now. go on, give it to him.
you would be a little cranky too if you had a face like Youkilis.
Joba then Mo or Viz then Joba?
Tek goes down on strikes.
Great job Wanger!
One-hitter….could’ve been no-no if it weren’t for Capt Jete =/
But nothing like seeing Francona thrown out.
Someone needs to tell Youkilis the Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart look went out in the 80’s.
Hey Kasey, still think Wang is not an ace? He’s made the adjustments and is dominating a team that has hit him hard in the past
great outing for cmw but the no no whould have been nice
Youk is still angry during god bless america. How disrespectful. Its like he spit on the flag
Great job by Wang to overcome Francona’s gamesmanship!
At this point in baseball history, only the complete morons are still on steroids for two reasons:
1) testing
2) HGH and other drugs that are not tested for and can be masked that can “enhance” your body and performance just as much.
Game of Shadows is a great read for this and Bonds.
Good lord, the Red Sox are a bunch of whiners. Pedroia, Ortiz, Schilling, Youkalis. Shut the hell up and play.
how is wang pitching so well, did they bring back mike myers?
Who next? Will Torre go to Viz now and try to have Joba close?
Can we call Youkilis by her real name: Squealing Pig
Let Wang start the 8th and go batter by batter. Maybe he will get through the 8th and then Joba can go the 9th.
heck of a job by wang. im listening to sterling on the radio from work and i thought he was going to explode when they called jerkilis safe at the beginning of the play.
“Youk almost hit the squirrel trying to avoid the tag”
CLASSIC
So where are all those experts on this blog who wrote off Wang after a couple of shaky starts?
Please raise your hands so we may egg you at once.
Oh boy they’re imploding over at the Joy of Sox blog.
There’s no way we can win with only 2 runs.
Jeter is an awful shortstop now. A-Rod should take over SS next year, Jeter LF, Giambi 1B w/ a little bit of DH, Matsui DH w/ a little bit of 1B. This means bye bye to Damon but so what? Damon long-term su cks. He’s upping his trade value with his recent good play. He has a World Series ring, so I doubt he’d care if he was moved, it’s not like he’d be 34 years old without a ring and going to a lesser team.
Could Kay alked about the no hitter more than he did there? Call your friends and tell them abouit this, wth man.
Nice finish to that inning for Wang. The sad thing is, this is the middle of the night in Taiwan, most of his fans there are probably asleep. I’m praying for the Yankees to make the postseason in general, but particularly because I’m taking a trip to Taiwan and I want to watch a Wang start there, I bet they’d be going nuts.
Jennifer,
A-rod fielded the ball and tried to tag Yuk who angled all they way to the infield grass, but got Drew at 1st. Umps ruled it a ground out, 1 out, men on 2nd & 3rd. Joe argues, umps confer, reverse the call. Double play, 2 outs, man on 2nd.
Migames,
That reminds me of the Detroit game last year when Leyland was ejected right before God bless America. At least Leyland waited for the end of the song before he argued again!
glad to see all of the hand-wringing on this board about the collapse of wang or about him not being an ace is quieted… if only for another week!
Let White Lightning pinch hit. He won’t get cheated against Schilling.
Where’s Kasey?
I seem to recall that Wang is not an ace. He only has one pitch and he’s lost it.
BTW, unfortunately, Mike Lowell now has a 36-game hitting streak against the Yanks.
Hard for me to understand how the third base umpire can be looking right at that play and miss the call. Thankfully, I think Angel Hernandez saw the play.
The second base umpire couldn’t see it because he has to be in position to make the call at second.
A bad year for umpires this year. They have missed a ton of calls around baseball this season. Thankfully, they got it right.
I go Joba in the 8th and Mo in the 9th and hope for either shutdown innings or some tack on runs.
Wang did his job today. He was terrific.
its funny to reflect now on everyone who wrote wang off when he had a 3-game mini slump early in the year.
ah Kay and his smarmy devil’s advocate.
Cano wanted a three HR game right there….
I wouldn’t mind seeing Viz 8 and Joba 9 just to give Mo a day off.
Kay just doesn’t want to let it go. I can see why he drives everyone nuts.
THanks MEL.
RALLY SQUIRREL
joba is comin in for the 8th
Listening to Girardi perfectly explain how runners should position themselves when at second base and how to go into third base depending on the situation…..God, I pray Fox lets him replace Tim McCarver in the postseason Fox booth.
Oh, well, it was worth the try.
Is it me or does Francona look like Elmer Fudd ?
I”d try to get Joba thru the 8th and 9th, have Mo ready to come in if he gets in trouble. Don’t forget, mo pitched 2 days in a row.
schilling just thanked the ump, that means two things a) we wont see him again and b) he sucks
88pitches.com
Joba is better suited for the 8th. Closing a ball game is a whole new ball game and it’s not worth experimenting in a 2-0 game against the Sox.
Go with what’s worked.
Joba in the 8th. Viz/Mo in the 9th.
Just listening to Girardi talk about baseball is fun. Would for him to do more announcing around baseball.
what is kay saying?
Schilling: 88 pitches / 7 innings. Talk about domination.
Should be: “Would love* for him…..”
“its funny to reflect now on everyone who wrote wang off when he had a 3-game mini slump early in the year.”
i don’t think many people, even here where everyone overreacts to everything, wrote him off at all.
Mo hasn’t thrown a lot of pitches the last two days and you don’t want use Joba for two innings. You do that, you don’t have him until Sunday.
Give him the 8th, with Viz to back him up if he gets in trouble, and Mo has to get it done in the 9th.
*IT’S JOBA TIME !!!* ..
Kay is an idiot.
Haha, Youkilis as a wrestling bad guy. Nice, Pete.
Let’s go Joba!!
“I’m an Indian outlaw, half Cherokee and Choctaw, my baby she’s a Chippewa, she’s one a kind!
i hate mediocre players that play great against the yankees
JOBA BABY!
Someone who’s watching on TV, please give the MPH if you can!
“Schilling: 88 pitches / 7 innings. Talk about domination.”
you are so lame.
was that joba’s curve?
97…and Phillips in at 1B for Giambi.
97 on the pitch hit.
2 outs….he should pitch the 9th
whhhat?? Kay just said that there is a Sports Illusatrated piece coming out on Joba next week….. uuhmm please dont be the cover of the **#!! thing.. pleaseee..
If Joba throws 10 pitches this inning why can’t he pitch the ninth?
99
There isn’t really any reason to be doing these defensive switches right now. I’d rather have Giambi’s bat in the lineup late in the game.
=(
No worries. Strike breakfast cereal out!!!
Adam Giambi isn’t going to come up again unless it goes to extras which I doubt.
ughhhh pedroia ….i think thats jobas first extra base hit he has given up
Okay, spoke to soon. Maybe Giambi should be in the game.
We might see a Joba/Pappi duel.
“If Joba throws 10 pitches this inning why can’t he pitch the ninth?”
Because you have the best closer of alltime waiting in the pen.
Some Random Thoughts
“Hey Kasey, still think Wang is not an ace? He’s made the adjustments and is dominating a team that has hit him hard in the past”
There is no doubt that Wang is an ace. He just isn’t the type of ace that most here invision. He doesn’t blow you away with a barrage of strikeouts. I think Wang has proven quite effectively that ground ball pitchers can be every bit as succesful as the strikeout machines.
The problem on this board is that the fans demote anyone and everyone when they sink or slump. Thankfully the powers that be are not nearly that reactionary.
The good news on the day is that the Moose is still in play here and will get a chance to rebound from his worst stretch of the season. As I stated many times yesterday, Ian Kennedy is a crapshoot at best. Look for the Moose to pitch against KC.
The yanks division aspirations are very very much alive. The phillies are in the process of wiping off 4 games from their deficit in as many days. If our pen holds, we will be back at five. With 3 more to go, we have a very real chance at a late season grab of the division. Despite their prolonged tenure in first, things can change very quickly in this game. I think the Yanks can do it.
BJ
That last post was a joke by the way….
Can John STOP talking about Ortiz. I’m sick of hearing about him. If this happens, than he’s up, if that happens. UGH.
idk but job dosent look good
ONE MORE STRIKE
Enter Sandman.
done
12 pitch inning.
Nice.
Let Joba start the 9th if he runs into trouble let Mo pitch.
problem solved. way to be joba
Who pitches the 9th? Do you let Joba, or is Mo available.
12 pitch inning by Joba. You *don’t* use him in the 9th, Mo is here for a reason.
What I would contend is Jobas availability for tomorrow.
Poor Cookie Crisp!!!! HAHA!!
MVP Ordonez: 1 HR, 2 RBIs, batting 0.361
Joba for 2?
Did Torre say last night that Rivera wasn’t available I think he alluded to that
I’m impressed with how he came back at Coco. Such confidence in himself. Pedrioa is a hitting machine, that was nice.
Wow, that made me nervous. Joba didn’t really look like he was painting his spots there. And happiness is facing David Ortiz leading off the 9th, with a 2-run bulge. (But 3 or 4 would make me even happier).
Global Warming I know Mo is in the pen, but remember what happened last time he pitched 3 nights in a row. Although I must say I was at the game last night and Mo’s stuff looked great. I just got tickets to see Ian Kennedy pitch Saturday also. I’m thrilled.
Too bad it looks like Joba’s appearances with a strikeout streak will end today
Chamberlin gave up a double? Clearly, he’s a bust, toss him on the funeral pyre with Wang and Hughes, keep it stoked cause Kennedy may give up some runs!
A moot argument since Mo already began warming up while Joba was pitching.
Mo doesn’t warm unless he is going in the game. The only way we don’t see Mo is if the Yanks blow open the game in this half inning.
Mariano Rivera is the closer for the Yankees. Remember that inning in Toronto? Consistent with his splits, he was terrible to start the season, and he just had a rough patch in mid-August.
That happens every year.
I’d rather have Joba’s arm in use for 2 games against Seattle… a team that we are CLOSER to in the playoff race than him being only available for 1 game
Negativity Rules,
If the Tigers don’t make the playoffs then they wont give it to Magglio
I’d let Joba start with Mo in relief. Gives you numerous options since you ahet to waste Viz in case Mod doesn;t quite have it and gives up the lead. We’ll beatdown the DRays so Joba can rest.
Joba Rules: If joba falls in an empty forest, does he make a sound?
Joba didn’t look overpowering and wasn’t pinpoint-control-tastic, so I’d take him out against the heart of the order. Mo’s the call here, I gotta believe.
If Joba pitches 1.1 innings does he need to take one and one third days off?
“Hard for me to understand how the third base umpire can be looking right at that play and miss the call. Thankfully, I think Angel Hernandez saw the play.”
Sj, I agree that this season has been steeped in umpire manslaughter, but they got the call right. I give em credit for convening the tribunal right there to make sure the call was correct. I’m still not sure I understand the rule here as it appears it has been changed recently and more a matter of umpire perception rather than bound by any strict metric. My perception was that he went way out of the baseline.
BJ
271. SJ44 August 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
It has to be his last inning. The physical mistakes are one
thing. The mental mistakes are another.
No logical reason to meltdown on the mound and that’s
precisely what he did that inning.
Its August and I don’t care who it is, that’s unacceptable.
Not what you are looking for from your ace.
Third straight awful outing.
Get him out, put in Edwar for two and hope the offense
decides to stop swinging at balls in the dirt.
Clearly, he doesn’t trust his stuff. Whether its a slump, an
injury, or a combination of the two, its hurting the team
right now.
Can’t leave him out there to hurt them any longer. Call it a
day and hope the bullpen can get the job done.
Joba is magic.
Okajima’s ERA is so small, I couldn’t even see it on the computer screen.
Adam, I know Giambi has been great today with his glove but Andy is still so much better defensively than Giambi. the game is so close that you need your best defensive players out there. That last play is why Andy is in there, Giambi may have gotten to that ball but there is no way he gets his foot on the bag in time and Joba didn’t make it to first in time.
Jamie. Our next series is against the Devil Rays, not the Mariners.
“Joba didn’t look overpowering and wasn’t pinpoint-control-tastic, so I’d take him out against the heart of the order. Mo’s the call here, I gotta believe.”
I have trouble understanding how a Yankee fan could ever debate using ANYONE instead of MO in the ninth.
BJ
752. Chicago Dave August 19th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
I like Wang, but he will never be an ace. He allows far too
many guys on base, and has way too many “problem” innings
(i.e. innings where he throws a lot of pitches and really
labors to get through) to be called an ace. Ideally, I think
he’s a number 3. Hey, but if Hughes and Chamberlain end up
being the starters they’re projected to be, then they’ll be
the 1-2 guys, so Wang at # 3 will do quite nicely!
Okajima doesn’t want any part of Jeter.
go jetes 4 for 4
Negativity doesn’t rule
264. kasey Anderson August 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
viper, you’re right. wang’s a monster out there. what was i
thinking? he’s dominant. he’s the ace. he’s holding leads,
keeping guys off base, keeping it together mentally.
i mean, it’s not like he gave up 8 runs in two innings a
couple of starts ago and then gave up 5runs his following
start, then gave away a lead today.
how dare i criticize cy wang. he’s incredible. the best there
is. absolutely nothing wrong with his performace.
I find it annoying that Peter refuses to call Schilling by his name.
BJ
I don’t argue that Mo should not be our closer. I just want to avoid another mini slump due to overuse.
chris, that joke is so old, julio franco said it first
Say NO to negativity.
Pettitte Fan:
Wrong. Last year, Andy Phillips was 5 runs below average at 1st. Jason was 8 runs below average at first. Andy is younger and in better shape, but the numbers bear out that he’s about an average fielder.
wang is an ace and you will like it
i would send Joba back out there only becuase Mo has pitched twice in the last 48 hours. Joba is already unavailable for tomorrow and this game is worth twice what Saturday’s game is worth.
“What I would contend is Jobas availability for tomorrow.”
I have been campaigning they relax these oppressive rules for a while now. They simply make no sense. They are designed purely to protect players from the wrath of Joe. A strict pitch count would get it down without unnecessarily handicapping us in a playoff run.
BJ
Clay Bellinger-
who are you talking about, 38-Donuts?
I get the feeling they are going to relax the Joba rules, just not for a week or two.
let’s close this out and send these b@stards outta here!
Jeter scores!
“I have trouble understanding how a Yankee fan could ever debate using ANYONE instead of MO in the ninth. ”
he can’t pitch every single day.
BOBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYY
How much is his option? 16 million? Pick it up!!!!
we might not need MO
What is he doing throwing over to 1st? I’ll tell you what though, Okajima was the Japanese pickup our scouts messed up on. They loved Andrew Dice Klay. They loved Igawa. They hated Okajima’s mechanics and wrote him off. Good call. We need to get some new Japanese scouts. Clearly we have a hard time judging their pitchers. If we had Okajima in our pen all year it would have been in much better shape.
I like the tack on runs!!!!
haha, melky’s a goofball
Yes Okajima that’s how you pull a Gagne.
)
Hideki vs. Hideki…perfect!
thanks divine wind
I was actually really hoping Papelbon or Okajima would make an appearance this series…
for this EXACT reason — a statement
that era just got a little bigger can u see it now
The novelty is wearing off of Okajima now. Our hitters have seen him enough now and they know what to expect. It may not be until next season, but at some point all of the other AL teams will catch on.
does gagme not pitch for the red soxs any more?
If they get one more and lead by 4, then bring in Edwar to start and if he gets 2 on, bring in Mo.
Now definitely leave Joba in just for fun. I want to see him face Ortiz in a spot where he should challenge. The first match-up was unsatisfying with the one-pitch pop-up.
Gagne only pitches if the Red Sox are losing/ winning by a lot or if they consider the game a bust.
“I don’t argue that Mo should not be our closer. I just want to avoid another mini slump due to overuse.”
Rivera is certainly not overworked on the season. In the last two days he has thrown a total of 28 pitches, 14 each day. MO needs to be the won in these kinds of situations if at all feasible.
I don’t believe for a minute his slumps were a result of overuse. I watched him pitch carefully in his most recent temporary troubles and his velocity and location were spot on. Cant blame a pitcher when batters hit terrific pitches.
If Matsui can get a big hit here, it may be a moot point.
BJ
LOL …MELKY IS CRACKING ME UP
Gianthinker have you ever seen Okajima pitch? Eventually his neck is going to snap off. Talk about full effort, I’m surprised his arm is still attached. I don’t think the Red Sox thought he’d be as good as he’s been. He was just a throw in so that Dice K would feel more welcome.
Shdw, right, so why isnt he pitching?
PBL,
What’s Melky doing? Betemit looked pissed.
Dr. A
Yes, 38-bloody socks
“he can’t pitch every single day.”
I realize this, but MO is available.
BJ
Melky was throwing sun flower seeds at everyone
what i like about this is that they have been trying to limit okajima’s innings because he worked a very reduced work load in japan and he’s already exceeded the maximum he’s ever pitched (around 50, i think), and here he is, laboring away, already at 22 pitches.
He’s not pitching because the Red Sox have the crazy idea that they have a chance. You don’t send in Kyle’s fraternal twin when you have pipe dreams of victory
22 pitches for okajima…
ALRIGHT LETS BRING IN BRITTON OR K-RAM !!!!!
NICE!!! Good hustle by A-Rod!
all squirrel!
Captain Tek strikes again! Haha!
Matsui lost out on an RBI.
Wow I wish i could have seen this on TV and not been restricted to radio!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Red Sux is IMPLODING
Let’s send them on their way with a big fat SWEEP
Thanks Captain ‘Tek. Now go pick a fight with ARod but don’t forget to put your mask back on first.
Mo likes to be used – not overused. Earlier in the year Torre allowed him to get rusted. If Mo couldn’t throw today it would have been discussed before the game.
is it just me, but do you guys cringe when girardi calls him Mikey Lowell
Andy has been playing a lot better 1st base this year as compared to last year, but the point is that Andy is the best 1st baseman on this team and when he doesn’t start than he should be out there in the later innings of a close game. I know Giambi has made some great plays today but he is not better defensively than Andy Phillips.
Alex scored from 1st on the pitchout. Favorite play of the year.
Captain Dump in His pants can’t make the throw
Mussina should pitch the 9th
Now we have to really grind things out here and eat up their pen. This will go a long way to making the Sux vulnerable in their next series. Kram should pitch the ninth. I would leave Joba there if it weren’t for these oppressive rules.
BJ
Ramirez warming.
Great GG defense at 3rd from the best 3rd baseman EVAH!
Damn you gamecast. I take it the Yankees have scored and there’s controversy?
wooooooooooooooooooo!
For the record, I still stand by the statements I made about Wang. Mind you, let’s remember I never said he was a bad pitcher. What I said was he’s a pretty good pitcher who doesn’t qualify as an “ace.” Yes, he has pitched some great games, which all good pitchers do over the course of a season and/or a career. However, you need more than a heavy sinker and pitching to contact to be a true “ace” in my book. To me, an ace is a dominator, a guy the opposition positively fears every single time he takes the mound. An ace has the potential to pitch a shutout whenever he starts. I honestly don’t think that’s Wang, or, at least, not at this point in his career. Heck, the man himself has said that he should not be considered an “ace.” Would you argue with Wang himself?
aw hell yeah…
SWEEP, SWEEP, SWEEP!!!
What’s going on? The feed is gone.
Gotta love that play, Abreu messing with their minds and ARod hustling!!!
just cuz wang is super humble does not mean hes not an ace
pitching change for the sox j-dawg
I’ll also add that it’s delicious to see the Yanks school the Sox, especially after that horrendous roadtrip. There’s some spunk in this team…Something we haven’t seen during the past few years!
What just happened? My gameday froze with Matsui batting and next I know Yankees have 5 runs.
There is nothing better than coming home from work and seeing the Yanks with a lead and, then Joba basically shuts the Sox down and then watch the wheels fall off the wagon for the Saux in the bottom of the 8th.
Thank you Gayle!
How long before Varitek just starts coming out on the field in a giant letter “C” costume instead of uniform?
Cant put Mussina in there unless its a 7 run lead.
migames,
I thought I was the only one who thought that. They must have some past relationship b/c I’ve never heard anyone else call him Mikey. Was Joe ever coaching when Lowell was in our system?
Chris!
Can you see his ERA now or do you need the Yanks to score a couple more?
Chicago Dave I could name you 10 teams right now that would want Wang as their number 1 are you kidding me? He’s gonna have 16 wins and an ERA of 3.79 after today and he’s not an ace?
will our luck of the squirrel continue versus the devil rays?
we are 3-0 since the squirrel came out
You guys suffering on gamecast and radio, a couple of weeks ago someone suggested sopcast, here is the link to the baseball games, you can download the program there.
Since that day I have barely missed any games.
Thanks again whoever it was.
http://www.myp2p.eu/MLB.htm
What just happened? My gameday froze with Matsui batting and next I know Yankees have 5 runs.
what happens is that there is too much happening and the guy at the gameday keyboard freezes up. needs time to figure out how to describe complicated play.
I think Girardi played with Lowell.
The more the better!
19 Wins last year and on the way to that again, but Wang is only a pretty good pitcher. HA! Sometimes nothing is enough for Yankee fans..
One of the loudest advocates of Igawa was Mike Pagliarulo (yes, THAT Pags), who has made a nice career out of knowing an awful lot about the Japanese players and thus, recommending to MLB teams regarding same.
Unfortunately, he blew this one. Even more unfortunate, was his blasting the Yankees for the mistake they made in going after Igawa, when he should’ve stepped up and said something to the effect, “he CAN be effective, but may need to make some adjustments….”
Chigaco Dave you are very wrong im sorry to say. Just because he doesnt strike people out doesnt mean he is not an ace. Correct me if im wrong but he has the same amount of wins as Sanatana the past two years and just bc he had two bad starts this year doesnt mean he isent an ace. You are just way too pessimistic
so them what u got edwar
*IT’S K-RAM TIME !!!* …
All right! Let’s close them out and get our sweep!!!
please please please bring in Britton. Not Mo. PLEASE. (he won’t listen.)
Chicago Dave – humility. CMW was 2nd in cy young voting last year. In his second year in the majors. I suspect he will be in the top 10 again this year, pitching in the toughest division in baseball. Over the last two years, only santana and bedard have been better in the AL. I think Boston is scared of CMW. I don’t think pitching style has anything to do with being an ace, it is pitching performance. and CMW has plenty of that.
Melky was also wearing the sunflower seed box for a hat.
i dont like the prospect of ortiz batting against mo
Interesting…
raymagnetic-Yes! I’ve seen him twice. And I read all about him well before the Sox got him. He came from the same squad Matsui came from. He can pitch. You can say what you want but numbers dont lie. He’s had a hell of a year. I dont know if it will keep up but so far he’s been nice. Where the Sox messed up was fixing something that wasnt broken. They got Gagne to take Okajima’s spot when Okajima was doing great. They sure messed that up. But anyway, before the Sox even made a play at Okajima there were reports out that the Yanks scouts didnt think he was any good. I’m not saying he’s great but what I am saying is that our Japanese scouts are about as right as wheather men.
Joe L.,
Did you see the picture of Varitek’s uni on nomaas? It was classic.
In ‘98, Lowell and Girardi played on the Yankees together.
JOBA…one pitch,,one out….SWEET… SWEEP !!!
WOOPS PREMATURE
what about Gagne? Is he afraid to pitch in the Bronx?
Ok, or Edwar is ok too (sorry if you guys who are watching/listening already knew that).
Maybe a 5 run lead is enough. Maybe.
I like seeing Joba again, but is there no one in this bullpen besides Joba and Mo that can hold a FIVE-RUN lead?
Britton? Villone? Bruney? Anyone? Anyone?
Ugh this can’t be good, no more Joba until Sunday.
We need a solid outing from Hughes and Kennedy to not kill the bullpen.
i don’t get this at all, at all. joba?
joba cant find the plate
I hate wasting Joba like this…now he’s unavailable until Sunday unless they change the rules.
lol Joba fires one over Puke’s head
Thanks, Erick. I’ll check it out next time.
lowell might have been on the time in 96, atleast in the minors, but im not to sure….lemme check baseball reference…yeah, they played together
why would they bring in joba for the 9th?
Weird move
We are seeing the beginning of end of the Joba rules. Because a 5 run lead is more than enough for Edward.
Great, now Joba can’t pitch till Sunday!
Ok not to count this chicken before it’s hatched but if it holds up the Yankees would have gone 8-6 in the dreaded 14 games Chris Russo and others said would kill the Yankees.
I was hoping for 8-6, this is two groups of games in a row the Yankees won exactly what I hoped for. Now for the 13 games they are playing now from off day to off day I was hoping the Yankees would go 8-5 or 9-4, after today it would have been 4-3 in the first 7. Now in the next 6 if they go 4-2 they will get to 8-5 and put some daylight in front of Seattle.
Just strange considering Ramirez was warming up.
that is horse manure
did he almost kill youkillis there? what happened??
What just happened? Joba thrown out?
Angel Hernandez…. lol.
NOOOO!!!! Now comes a five game suspension!
what just happenned there? Joba was thrown out?
Throwing him out, what a joke.
I like Joba for the save, but K-Ram or Britton could have closed it out. :/
Not only the didn´t hit, but the team beat out their top 3 pitchers, whom the´ve hit all season very well.
Boston doesn´t scare me come october. The Angels does.
WTH!??!?!
I wanted Joba to stay in if the game was still close but this is ridiculous. However Joe has already broken the Joba rules by using him for two innings even though he pitched the other day. That means he’ll probably be available on Saturday for an innings. ha ha
LOL! How funny was that? Usually a pitcher throws a wild pitch like that and fans are worried he’s hurt. Our fans cheered!
…WOW! Those are obviously pitches he lost the grip on but you cant throw him out! OH WELL! I bet he gets a standing-O. LOL! That was weird.
lol wot? Joba got thrown out??? No warnings???????
At least that’s part of the growth experience.
I would say umps are blind today, except the made the right call on reversing puke’s baserunning.
Relax, this was too obvious. It’s messages-sending time.
It doesn’t count against his two on, two off.
I guess K-Ram & Britton vs TB
LOL ..JOBA trying to redeem the beaning of Alex Rodriguez
what exactly just happened????
How is Angel Hernandez still employed?!?!?!?!?!
Terrible, awful, idiotic idea to leave Joba in the game with a 5 run lead.
Indian OUTLAW indeed.. but what the hell angel hernandez!?!?
Many Socks fans are typing with one hand and the other hand opening the nearest window.
Thats so strange.
Does this mean Joba will be able to pitch on Saturday!?!?! I HOPE SO! I WILL BE THERE!
He won’t be suspended. he didn’t hit him.
So no warning and he didn’t hit the batter and he gets ejected? That makes perfect sense to me.
Maybe now he can still pitch on Saturday???
Man, he has to have two days off for that!?!?
WHATTTTTTT?
Great, Joba’s still in with a 5 run lead.
Why did you guys get my hopes up with the Edwar talk and think that Torre would actually make a move that makes sense? Guess we won’t see Joba for TWO more days now.
M.L.B. better get rid of this joke called hernandez. Everytime I see hime behind the plate he has to throw someone out and be on camera. Enough is enough!!
WHATTTTTTT?
Great, Joba’s still in with a 5 run lead.
Why did you guys get my hopes up with the Edwar talk and make me think that Torre would actually make a move that makes sense? Guess we won’t see Joba for TWO more days now.
thanks Angel. Now JOBA WILL BE AVAILALBE ON SATURDAY!
ya know what…WHO CARES ???…Joba was NOT throwing at him…and now he possibly is available tomorrow….(not that we are going to need him to sweep out the next team that darkens our door … )
Guess we’ll see Joba on Saturday! That ump is such a pill. If Joba was trying to hit him, he would have.
You think DeNiro and Paul Sorvino were waiting in the clubhouse for Joba screaming, “You broke your cherry” after the ejection?
so does that mean Joba just can’t pitch the first 8 hours of Saturday?
There´s no way that was intentional. He just didn´t have his usual control there. I don´t understand why he was thrown out, but it may mean he´s available for Saturday´s game..
No warning and then he’s tossed…terrible call by Angel.
We lost our best set-up reliever for five games due to the automatic suspension that comes with being thrown out for throwing at someone.
Q: Who has Joba been hangin’ with?
Now that he got thrown out, does this count as only throwing one inning? Maybe he’ll be available on Saturday now, lol
isn’t that the same ump who tossed clemens? you need to warn him first there i think. he didn’t hit him.
Another ridiculous call. So two pitches got away from him. I guess under the Joba rules, he now can’t pitch for 1-1/3 days. Since this is a day game that means Saturday night.
So when can he pitch again ? I would think Saturday but who knows ?
Youkilis complains to Hernandez and Hernandez throws out Chamberlain without a warning. What a joke.
Youkilis is the biggest crybaby in baseball. The next time, just drill him. Its ridiculous to throw him out over that.
Let’s hope they don’t turn this into a game because of another umpire protecting a punk like Youkilis.
Technically, Joba will get 1 1/3 days off.
The ump wants to see Joba pitch on Saturaday
I’m not being pessimistic. Just because I don’t say Wang is an ace makes me pessimistic?! LOL! Number of wins (by itself) does not make a guy an ace. Just look at Wakefield’s win total for this year…I guess we need to be calling him an “ace” right now, too, right?! WRONG!!! Also, run support has a lot to do with win totals. I’m willing to bet Wang has gotten some pretty fair run support (on average) over the span of his starts with the Yanks thus far.
Again, he’s a real good pitcher, no doubt. However, I just think the term “ace” is thrown around a bit too easily these days…
Okay, can someone explain to me what happened? I know how annoying that request is, but I just left a bar to come back to work, and Joba gets tossed?
Why would he be throwing at Youkilis?
i guess this just totally raises even Joba to another level.. BADASS.. if any of you listen or watch dane cook.. Joba is definitely BAMF..
Wow. i wish he hit Youkilis in the head.
I’m not gonna lie I’ve seen Joba at AA and AA his control is not that bad , that was on purpose. The 2 throws went to the same spot and K-Ram was warming up.
Don’t know what kay’s talking about. Sure Joba has good command but he’s been a little off today.
Youkalis needs have his diaper changed and his bottle re-filled. He’s a bit more whiny than usual.
lol. Michael just said piss on the air because he was stammering. Edwar better not let Youkalis score.
Man that walk is credited to Joba, right. Leave it to Edwar.
Edwar has a funny looking picture for Gameday. He looks like a turtle, which I guess would describe the speed of his fastball.
I cant see him being suspended. Any third-party can see that was not a situation where he was trying to hit him. He would have slammed him in the spine if he wanted to.
what do we cap the odds at for a suspension? he didn’t actually hit anybody…
Now watch Edwar allow Joba’s first run. What a said way for his scoreless streak to end, wouldn’t it be?
I fear this will be the end of Joba’s scoreless streak
Nice to see Edwar strike someone out with his fastball.
sad*
I figured Angel would go hold Youkilis’s hand while he walked to first.
Youkilis is such a detestable swine. It figures Peter Gammons thinks the guy is the second coming of Ted Williams…
Man, somebody should hit Youkilis FOR REAL! He would never get up off the ground…
Enwar’s walk reminds me of the bullpen’s propensity to offer up walks when the bases are empty and the Yanks are up by three or more runs. It’s maddening.
Edwar needs to play catch and stop throwing balls in the dirt.
Angel Hernandez: What a fu cking as shole. He should be at least under review for his job if not fired.
Name me the last time a guy threw with intent with his team up 5-0 and 2 outs to close the game and the other team collecting 2 hits.
Yeah Angel, all those goose eggs Boston posted up really angered the Yanks.
Now I’m convinced the umps have it in for the Yanks.
It’s a break for the Yanks, now the Yanks could pitch Joba in Saturday’s game. I don’t wanna hear about the rules, he can pitch Sat. gimme a break. They’re already talking about ending the rules, you have to now esp. if the Yanks take the lead for the wildcard. Farnsworth suc ks, time for him to sort sh it out is over when the rosters expand. Torre must think Ramirez and Bruney are so unreliable, he didn’t even want either to pitch the 9th up 5-0. Obviously you don’t waste Mo and Viz. Britton isn’t with the team? If he is, he couldn’t pitch the 9th?
The funny part about it is I think Youk crapped his pants. He didnt even look at Joba for more than a split second.
Scared stiff.
I love JOBA even more now.
TOUGH ALL DAY!!!
Phil what in the world are you talking about? I never heard about that.
*Oh, how SWEEEEEEEEEEP IT IS!!*
Sweepin’ out da Sawks,
Sweepin’ out da Sawks,
We will come rejoicing,
Sweepin’ out da Sawks!
Chicago Dave Wang has a WHIP of 1.28 and gives up 3/4 runs given up a game which also accounts for his win total, no?
BRING OUT THE BROOMS!
YEH BABY K-RAM COMES THROUGH & JOBA’S BEANING STILL KEEPS 0.00 ERA !!!
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
WE WIN ON A SHUTOUT
Oh how sweet a sweep it is. We now have sole possession of Wild Card! I hope Cleveland boots Mariners out tonight.
Very interesting game today.
does anyone think youkilis is wearing the foul pole squirrel on his face?
A SWEEP NO THANKS TO YOU ANGEL!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!
Domination.
Matey JD Drew.
Doing what he’s the best at; being a crap hitter.
SWEEP BABY, SWEEP!
that’s a huge sweep. great way to rebound from the terrible road trip.
and dave, no wins don’t make a pitcher an ace. wakefield’s got 16 this year, i don’t think anyone would argue that he’s an ace.
Someone give Youk a skirt.
Edwar, that almost made up for the 2 wild pitches.
Did you guys see Duncan hugging Torre? So cute!
The great game.
How sweep it is .if anyone would have told me after last week this was going to happen I would have said no way and on top of that that the Yanks would not see Pappelbon at all and barely Okijima another strnage series with the Sox
Glad Edwar got that out or the run would have been charged to Chamberlain and it would have been an earned run.
That should shut up Red Sox fans for a few days. Too bad Bedard begged out of his start on Saturday.
Now, its time to sweep the homestand. Its doable if the starting pitching can keep it up.
Well, I didn’t see it. But like the rest of you said, Thank you Angel Hernandez. Do we get to have an umpire protecting us from Torre every game?
I LOVE JObA but that was a classless and cheap stunt.
And Beckett yells at him” get of the field you C##T”, and now on SOSH they are calling him “Joba The C$$T.”
There was no need for a guy with pinpoint control to act like a thug, his actions embarrassed us all, I hope the Captain teaches him to play the game the Classy Yankee Way, not like a thug.
Everyone, feel great about this team and about the fact that the trolls are on vacation!!
Adam,
I think you’ve solved the mystery of where the squirrel is! That pelt on his face did look a different shade. Maybe he should’ve put on his dome.
Sweep!!!!
2007 will be forever known as “The Curse of the Squirrel”!!!!!!!!
The Yankees Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would Joba throw at Youk? Did someone on the Yanks get hit today?
JOBA A THUG ? ..OHHH SHUT UP
Just curious…Was Mussina in the dugout today? If so, how did he look…Sulking in a corner or was he actually rooting on the team?
mets are gonna lose
It is a nice message to send before a possible playoff meeting (if we make wild card). Boston just lost 3 in a row with DiceK, Beckett and Schilling pitching. Makes division more interesting as well. They have the back end of their rotation up now against Baltimore although they have lucked out and will not have to face Bedard or Guthrie.
Woo Hoo! SWEEEEEEEEP! F-yeah!!!
Man, I knew I should have called in sick from work today. Can’t wait to get home and watch this!
Just skimming through the comments…Joba got tossed?!?! What in the sam hill???
Phil and Jennifer:
Joba’s not necessarily out for five — that’s a starter rule because it ensures a starter will miss a turn in the rotation. Relievers don’t get docked that long.
Have a three-gamer starting tomorrow and he can pitch against the Ms instead of Farnie.
J.D. Drew…More evidence of what a monstrously overrated GM Theo Epstein is! HA!!!
Raymagnetic – that’s my question, too. In my profession, motive counts for a lot. Why would Joba be throwing at Youk anyway?
Yanks Rule
calm down, he missed his spot. He isnt throwing at anyone
I don’t believe Joba was throwing at Puke on purpose (even though he deserved so) – he’s too mature to be throwing at Puke for no reason. His hand probably just slipped.
raymagnetic – in general, Youk is a whiny little b!tch. the other thing i can think of is that he argued and argued when called out for running out of the basepath, and the yanks may just straight up hate him. but i’m sure someone w/ inside info. can give us the low down.
SWEEEEEP!
Mets took a 9 – 8 lead
Bullspit. It wasn’t “classless” at all.
First off, this team has used Arod as human HBP for two years.
Second, he wasn’t throwing at Youkilis. If he was, he would have drilled him. Next time, he should drill him. That will shut him up.
Third, who cares what Josh Beckett thinks? For all those guys that ran their mouths, how many of them went toward the mound? ZERO.
Youkilis is the biggest crybaby in baseball. Hell, Angel wasn’t even going to toss Chamberlain until Youkilis started crying to Angel about it. Then, doing what Angel ALWAYS does, he overreacts.
Its hardball, not whiffleball. If the Red Sox don’t like it, do something about it.
They now have to worry about a kid throwing 100 if they want to continue to drill Yankee hitters.
Its good to put that element of doubt in their heads. It will make them much less comfortable in the batters box.
Yanks Rule,
Chill out, Joba didn’t have anything to gain by throwing at Youkilis.
if he missed his spot, he missed it twice. two pitches right in the exact same spot – high and tight.
Can someone please explain why it’s thought that Joba would throw at him anyway? Who got hit on the Yankees? Clemens hit Pedroia yesterday but I don’t remember any retaliation on the Red Sox’ part.
As an aside the Mets have just tied the game…again!
Some of you are saying he threw at his head intentionally. Why would he throw intentionally? Grant it, he has great control, but to get back at what exactly? The base path play? No point there.
I don’t see what he gets out of it, don’t think it was intentional. Guess will have to wait some 10 or 15 years for his yankeeography to know the truth.
Why did Bedard beg off his scheduled start against the Sux?! Seriously, is there a league-wide conspiracy to make sure the Sux win the division? No Bedard and no Guthrie…What a joke!
Joba’s not getting suspended, he didn’t actually hit Kevin. Besides, Kevin turned and looked at Joba after the second one, but I’ve seen Kevin get more upset at getting called out a first than he was at the plate in the 9th.
It is a nice message to send before a possible playoff meeting (if we make wild card). Boston just lost 3 in a row with DiceK, Beckett and Schilling pitching. Makes division more interesting as well. They have the back end of their rotation up now against Baltimore although they have lucked out and will not have to face Bedard or Guthrie. Makes me wonder what could have been with some of those Detroit games.
I missed Joba’s pitches against Youkilis, but I have a hard time believing it was intentional. Was it that obviously intentional? I mean, he didn’t hit him, right?
This team is gonna keep TEARIN’ ‘EM UP….Try 86-60 headed into Boston….that’s right…we are losing ONLY ONE MORE GAME until the Boston Series….put THAT in your pipe and smoke it !!! Have a great night, Yankee Fans !!! Woo-Hoo….nice SWEEP…just what the Dr. ordered !!!
Guys, get real. we all love the Yanks, but our kid has pinpoint control. Amazing talent, great young kid, and he throws 2 pitches exactly in the same spot at Pukilis head.
Cmon he clearly threw at him, and I hope he cuts this out, before he gets a rep as a thug.
I haven’t seen the game yet, but doesn’t Youkilis notoriously crowd and lean in over the plate? I suspect Joba was just trying to stand him up a bit. No reason to suspect he was throwing at him on purpose. A warning there would have made more sense, but ultimately the ump did us a favor, Torre was wasting Joba using him there anyway.
J. D. Drew is so mad…he could crush a grape.
A Thug? You’re a joke. A guy with pin point accuracy, as you say, drills a guy in the spine if he wants to hit him or send a message. Those pitches clearly were caused by lack of grip.
i’m sorry, did beckett really call him that?
He’s not getting suspended. For what reason? He didn’t hit him and he wasn’t throwing at him.
The Red Sox can cry all they want. Chamberlain isn’t getting suspended.
If that’s what the Red Sox are looking for, then they aren’t as good as their hype.
You want to “get him back”, beat him. Don’t whine to Selig and Watson about a suspension.
If you are going to suspend Chamberlain, then Dice-K sure as hell has to go too. He actually HIT ARod.
I really think we’ll be w/in 3 games when we roll into Boston in a few weeks.
We beat their Cy Young candidate, we beat their 100 million import, we beat their bloated right wing blogger, we beat their “incredible” Japanese lefty today, we beat their unbeatable closer in Boston in Arod…and we showed them that we have some pitchers who aren’t afraid to go inside and hit them….if everyone in that Yankee locker room doesn’t know that the division is there for the taking, they are blind.
Win the division. It’s still possible.
If Beckett’s such a tough guy, how come he didn’t hit one of our guys after Clemens hit Pedroia last night? Beckett was afraid of that, because he knew that Clemens probably would have hit someone else.
So from this point forward, anytime Joba misses up and in, it’s because he’s throwing intentionally. I’d love to think Joba can throw 100mph and it be impossible to miss his spots, but not even Sidd Finch could do that.
That’s just ridiculous. Noboody can articulate WHY he’d be throwing at Youkilis, but assume he had to be that way because the ball ended up and in.
Youk looks like he has bad breath.
Throwing at people on purpose is the stupidest thing you can do anyway. Why risk another players career trying to prove a point.
That said I would love to hear a *logical* explanation for Joba supposedly throwing at Youk. Until then I’ll consider it two pitches where Joba lost control. Of course now you know there may be a fight in Fenway if Alex or Jeter gets hit.
Yes,. Beckett called him a C**T twice, I tivoed it, clear as day.
And as he got tossed from a game for throwing at a batter, thats a automatic one game suspension for him and torre.
Joba the Cu#t, damn that names gonna stick
can someone confirm what mr. “joba is a thug” dude said in re: beckett screaming at joba?
WOW, now I really can’t wait to get home and watch this. You guys have more than piqued my curiousity, lol. Joba BETTER not get suspended – it doesn’t sound like he even close to did anything to warrant such a thing! And do I have it correct that the ump didnt do anything about it till Pukeilis started crying like the little beyatch he is?! Sheesh!!!
*YANKS RULR* how the hell is he going to be getting a rep as a thug ? The fact Alex has been hit like a human pinata by Boston and a 21 yr. old stepped up to send a message doesn’t make him a thug.
Is Schilling a thug, Dice-K, Beckett ..NO so F that atleast he showed we’re not taking it. He’s going to be a SP next year anyway so now teams will know to play the game right.
P.S. YES IT WAS ON PURPOSE.. No way Joba misses to the same spot on the same mechanics.
“He’s not getting suspended. For what reason? He didn’t hit him and he wasn’t throwing at him.”
Sj, come on brother. Two balls over his head in the exact same spot? Joba went out there in the ninth for one reason only, to send a message that may serve us well in our next series.
The one pitch he hasn’t perfected is the one between the shoulder blades. Joba was taking a lesson from the Rocket there, no question about it.
BJ
NO WARNINGS, NO SUSPENSIONS! Thems are the rules!
Why is everyone trying to decide between whether or not he threw at him on purpose and missed or if it just slipped?
Everyone here agrees that Joba has great control. The most logical explanation is that he intended to do exactly what he did. Come up and in without hitting him. Send him a message, back him off the plate, but not hit the guy. There is nothing wrong with pitching inside to reclaim that part of the plate.
It dosen’t need to be that he tried to hit him on purpose and missed, or it was a complete accident. It can be exactly what it was.
A thug? Please, get a clue.
That “reputation” certainly hasn’t hurt Roger Clemens over 20 years, has it?
What reason would he have to airmail two pitches like that? He’s amped up and two pitches got away from him.
Next time, I hope he just drills him. That will shut up Youkilis.
Reputation? Let me tell you something, that would be the BEST thing the kid can do because it will make guys VERY uncomfortable in the batters box.
He did nothing wrong today. Folks are just kneejerk reactionaries.
MLB will suspend Joba when Francona puts on his unform shirt.
i don’t really understand why people would have a problem with joba throwing inside. personally, i think it’s bad-ass.
yanks rule – it’s going to stick? uh, i don’t think so.
The best part of the series?
We didn’t have to see Pug-elbon. I change my vote, he’s the Sock I disdain the most.
i wish he had hit him. i hate that guy.
migames-
The squirrel has been signed to a multi-year contract and is currently giving a press conference.
I have to say, Squirrel Got Tail
http://tinyurl.com/2dh6tb
The sad thing is that bad calls are always backed up by the league. So, even though Angel is an idiot and it was a knee-jerk reaction call the league will probably still suspend Chamberlain (and Torre). Thing is, it better not be more than one game…There’s no way they can suspend a guy for more than one game just for perceived intent (as opposed to actually hitting someone), is there? Better not be…
“His hand probably just slipped.”
Yeah ok, twice in the exact same location above their instigators head? You guys really are too much. Joba was in the ninth for only one reason, to drill Youk. It was long and coming, and this was the most opportune time of the series to send a message that needed to be desperately sent.
Perhaps Joe still does have some fight in him.
Don’t look now, but the Yanks are only 5 lousy games back.
BJ
Big Johnson isn’t a sweep of the Sox with them pitching their 3 best pitchers enough of message without anyone throwing at anyone? And guys, pitching up and in is not the same as throwing over someone’s head. Timlin threw up and in to Jeter last night, throwing a pitch over his head is a completely different scenario.
SJ: It’s fine for anyone here to state that Joba wasn’t throwing at Youkilis, but the umpire evidently concluded he WAS throwing at him. Clearly, the umpires’ opinion on these matters carries more weight that any of ours.
My only question is, does that fact that Youkilis wasn’t actually hit automatically mean there can be no suspension? Anyone?
ANYONE WHO THINKS HE OR TORRE WILL BE SUSPENDED IS IGNORANT.
There is no chance either gets suspended. No warnings issued, no batters hit. You have to be blind to see it any other way…MLB does not suspend pitchers for throwing inside.
Why would he throw at his head? Give me a break. If he wanted to hit him he would have hit him between the numbers. And bs why would he be suspened, suspensions come after warnings. He wasn’t warned. Joe won’t be suspended either. Chill out people.
Beckett is the second coming of Schilling. Let him cry all he wants. Youk is gross and manny sucks. Everything else about the red soxs suck. Their mascot is childish, the green monster is overrated, dunkin donuts suck, neil diamond is cant sing, the pesky pole is lame, tito is a stupid nickname for a white guy, big papi is on roids, pedro blows, jim rice will never make the hall of fame, and theo, will theo is theo, thats the greatest insult
By the way
We’ve got a 1/2 game lead in the Wild Card race!!!
could go to a full game, Seattle plays Cle in 3 hours.
If Joba wanted to hit Youk in the head, he would have. I mean, how could he miss that noggin??
APPEAL PLEASE
migames – awesome rant.
f*** dunkin donuts!
so the Yankees get a sweep and the FAN has tennis commentary on Jesus we need new sports talk hosts
“It dosen’t need to be that he tried to hit him on purpose and missed, or it was a complete accident. It can be exactly what it was.”
This theory is ok, but both pitches in immediate succession went over Youks head in a five nothing game, in inning Joba had no business pitching against one of their biggest targets.
The one pitch Joba needs to work on is the one that lands between the shoulder blades.
For those of you who think the Rocket is a thug for defending his batters, it might interest you to know he is arguably the greatest starter to ever play the game. I would love for Joba to don the Rockets reputation.
BJ
Dr Acula, the squirrel is going to be my 1st born’s godfather
In all fairness, Beckett didn’t retaliate because hitting Pedrioa was payback for Alex taking one in the ribs. Even Pedrioa knew that and didn’t make a fuss like he usually does.
It may or may not have been intentional, but I think Youk is thanking his lucky stars that he’s not seeing stars orbiting around his head.
Right or wrong, he’s our guy and we’ll back him up. Want to whine about it go back to the sox blogs.
Suspension? Seems to be the only thing that can stop Joba at this point.
The profane “comments’ by Beckett when Chamberlain was being ejected was a disgrace. Just because there is no audio in the dugout….doesn’t mean people don’t know what you are saying…disgusting ……certainly not anyone I want my kids or grandkids to see or hear.
Certainly other ways to show your anger…that is what we tell the kids!
“Guys, get real. we all love the Yanks, but our kid has pinpoint control. Amazing talent, great young kid, and he throws 2 pitches exactly in the same spot at Pukilis head.”
if he had “pinpoint” control and was throwing at his head, wouldn’t he have hit him in the head?
or are you saying he was trying to brush him back?
if he was, so what?
“Why would he throw at his head? Give me a break.”
Jennifer, he DID throw at his head. Twice. In Immediate succession. In the exact same spot. I am watching it as we speak over and over on Tivo. It will be on MLB later today.
This was deliberate, and hopefully the Sux understood a bit better than some here. It sets up the next series nicely. A good move by Joe for a change.
BJ
*2007 Y* trust me it was on purpose same mechanics, same missed spot. Again I like what he did today, lets see if DICE -K acts stupid again next time we see him.
I Like my new name better than Jabbah the Hutt, I rather be a C**T then a fat drooling slob, HGHiambi already has that title.
the squirrel is not happy about youk:
http://migames.wordpress.com/2.....-squirrel/
funny, where have all the Trolls gone??:)
seeing that Frankenstein-looking, Pimple-scalped, Halatosis-breathing Youkilis get pissed made my entire season.
Love ya, Joba!
Now does that count like 2 innings or one? Joba thinks it should be one and here is the proof.
Joba is not only the most dominating pitcher to ever walk planet earth he is also the smartest. He right away understood that his manager, Torre, made a mistake by bringing him for a second inning so he makes sure to get ejected and now Torre has to only wait one day instead of two to pitch him again . Wow what a genius!!
Yanks Rule
August 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
I LOVE JObA but that was a classless and cheap stunt.
* you are 100% wrong…if he wanted to hit him, he would have *
And Beckett yells at him� get of the field you C##T�, and now on SOSH they are calling him “Joba The C$$T.�
* Beckett is so classy to call another player a C#nt,,,and the Nation to embrace calling Joba, Joba the C#nt, once again shows that any Yankee Player OR Yankee fan has more class in the tip of their finger, than any SOSH @$$, or BoSux will ever have, EVER ! *
There was no need for a guy with pinpoint control to act like a thug, his actions embarrassed us all, I hope the Captain teaches him to play the game the Classy Yankee Way, not like a thug.
* Dude, speak for YOURSELF….Joba is no more a thug, than you are a genius. If he embarassed you, then you need a quick reality check. And NO disrespect EVER to Jeter, but Joba needs no CLASS lesson from ANYONE *
Joe Torre doesn’t agree. He went off in the post-game about it and he even WENT TO YOUKILIS to tell him they weren’t throwing at him.
He never goes off like this.
If they were throwing at him, do you think he would go over to the opposing dugout and tell the player they weren’t throwing at him? Joe Torre is old school. He isn’t going over to the other dugout to tell a player they weren’t throwing at him if they were.
Its a 5-0 game. He wasn’t throwing at anybody. There was no reason to.
Its like that knuckeball pitcher for the White Sox getting thrown out of a game for hitting a Damon a few weeks ago, with a knuckleball, after he got whacked around. Its dumb, the umpires overreacted, and they have been doing it all year. across baseball.
If anybody has ever played this game, you KNOW when you are getting thrown at. This wasn’t the case today.
Nothing is going to come of this except a bunch of nonsensical talk show fodder. That’s it.
Its not a big deal.
Heard on the radio that Joba is very upset about what just happened. one of the vets should go and speak to him. You don’t want this to get in his head.
ALso i hope this doesn’t set up for something to happen in the next series. look for Beckket to do something though. espically if he was screaming like a baby. Something always happens before we go in there. Nothing ever happens at ys. odd isn’t it.
There was some debate over the weekend about who the best team in baseball was. I’ll toss in my two cents. The best team in baseball just swept the Red Sox!!
SJ44 finally I agree with you on something lol. To me there is no *logical* reason for Joba to throw at the Red Sox. Isn’t a sweep of Beckett, Matsuzaka and Schilling humiliating enough?
Its not a big deal.
Amen SJ44.
I wonder how Steve Phillips is going to blame this on Arod or maybe on Brian Cashman, or even maybe on Harold Reynolds.
The Sox are showing their frustration because 1st place is slipping from their grasp. Screw ‘em. Why is it OK for them to continually hit ARod, Jeter, etc, but if we go high and tight on one of their guys they call our pitcher a name? Bunch of sissies.
He didn’t throw at his head. Those two pitches were THREE FEET over his head. They weren’t anywhere near his head. Not even close.
Hell, they hit the advertising on the backwall on the fly!
Like Hmmm said, if he has pinpoint control, he drills him if he wanted to.
He just got too amped up. It happens.
His first two ML appearances he threw several warmup pitches against the backdrop. It happens.
I’ve been at games he’s pitched this year when he has airmailed some pitches.
Its no big deal.
If Beckett wants to do something about it, he’s welcome to do so.
He should remember though, the other team has Roger Clemens and Joba Chamberlain in their dugout. Somehow, I think “tough guy” Beckett will be reminded of that by his hitters.
Anyone here who questions what Joba was doing just6 needs to listen to Joe’spostgame when Peter posts it it is very clear, concise and listen to JOba
It’s been confirmed through my sources that Youkilis killed the foul pole squirrel, shaved his mouth bush, skinned the squirrel and wore it on his face as some sort of preternatural gesture of superiority. This might explain Joba coming up and in, punishment for what is sure to become known as Squirrel-Gate.
Next time Joba should throw the squirrel at Youk’s head.
Seriously, guys, his hands just slipped. Listen to Torre and Joba. No message, no nothing. He’s no “thug.”
Jennifer,
I agree with you and I also hope that this doesn’t take away from Joba’s edge. The worst thing that can happen to him is that he has flashbacks to today the next time he pitches.
Anyone listening to Joba on the postgame?
His maturity is amazing–saying that he feels horrible about it, that they had to bring Edwar in…
That’s the mark of a guy that thinks about his team, not himself.
just a question, but does anyone think that if joba’s actually upset about this, he might catch a little moose-itis, and stay away from the inside of the plate?
He should remember though, the other team has Roger Clemens and Joba Chamberlain in their dugout. Somehow, I think “tough guy� Beckett will be reminded of that by his hitters.
Sj, you forgot one other thug: the squirrel
Simply put, Chamberlain should not have been out there in the 9th.
Josh Beckett? Tough Guy? He wears the same white framed sunglasses that my girlfriend does…….hahaha…..what a putz.
in re: this getting in joba’s head:
the kid’s going to be fine. i have no doubt clemens is going to walk up to him and say, “f*** those guys, hoss (and he will say hoss), you just keep throwin’”
joba will be fine.
what a sweep!
“Joe Torre doesn’t agree. He went off in the post-game about it and he even WENT TO YOUKILIS to tell him they weren’t throwing at him.”
What else is gonna do? And even if you believe Joe ‘doesn’t agree’ he doesn’t have to. Pitchers are given tacit approval to do things like this. Do you believe Joe ordered the Rocket to throw at batters that got him suspended?
Rocket was making that move no matter what. That pitch was deliberate and premeditated, Beckett got it right. I hope the rest of that team gets it to. They need to understand there will be painful and severe repercussions for throwing at our star players. There were many instances of this in this series alone. Its intolerable and our 100+ mph pitcher will protect our guys.
I am astonished that the pro yankee bias here is so extreme that you cant see this for what it was, a deliberate and premeditated attempt to send an important and powerful message.
I would have argued this aggressively if it had been once, but twice? Give me a break please.
Listen to Girardi in the post-game if you need a catcher’s insight to tell you that two balls in immediate succession in the exact same spot over youk’s head were deliberate. I don’t need it, I believe what I see.
BJ
i’m sure i could read joba’s lips saying” whoops”
…and then “double whoops”
who cares if they suspend him . it’ll fit right in with the joba rules of resting him.
beckett should have used some of his pent up energy that was directed at joba for slipped pitches to stopping 13 hits yeterday.
beckett has been good this year partially because he’s kept control of his emotions. if he wants to let his buttons be pushed over a few slipped pitches that didn’t come close to hitting anyone, good for the yankees because he’s a head case when his emotions get away from him.
before this series red sox fans here on cape cod were saying “it’s all about the pitching”.
they were right, but not in the way they thought.
what they’re saying now, i have no idea because they’ve all disappeared. nary a red sox hat or tshirt to be seen on main street here on the lower cape. tomorrow the flag on the town hall will be at half mast.
SWEEP!!!!
as sj44 said a few days ago, the season began with the first game of this series. seattle has faltered-7 losses in a row. the yankees rose to the occasion. they are in the drivers seat from this point on.
Joba’s showing a lot of class and accountability to be so young. He has a good head on his shoulders and he’s someone who has the big picture in mind. His comments definitely don’t sound like the prototype of a “thug,” which he definitely is not.
The one downer about this situation (Joba gets thrown out, but no brawl ensues) is that we didn’t get a chance to see Shelly Duncan throw down.
(For the record, I’m against violence, except when Shelly Duncan is involved).
that kind of stuff, where a pitcher gets shaken, isn’t going to happen just because another batter was upset with him. if he had hit youkillis in the face accidentally, and really hurt him, then you’d have to wonder about long-term effects.
“Its no big deal.”
It is a very big deal. Not one that is easily reconciled in the box score, but protecting star players matters a whole heck of a lot. Those two deliberate and premeditated pitches right over Youks head will be just as important as Joba’s next strike out. I cant cite a statistic to prove this of course, so you can debate this until the cows come home.
BJ
looked REAL obvious to me. i’m glad though, send that message
It was dumb to run Joba out there for the 9th anyway, why not bring Edwar in in the first place? Anyway, it looked on purpose to me, and I have no problem with it. A Rod has been hit more than any other player in MLB this year. We need to protect our guys.
Joba will be fine. The Red Sox, and their whiners among the media “elite” will whine about it. Big deal.
The only relevent story out of this is, does that 1/3 of an inning count for him pitching two days or one! lol
Seriously, this won’t faze Joba. Its time to sweep the DRays now.
The Yankees can’t make the mistake they have made on their two disasterous roadtrips this year. Getting caught in their success in a big series.
Six big games coming up on this homestand. That’s where their minds need to be now.
*What message was Joba trying to send?* Who did the Red Sox bean in this series? Please someone provide a *LOGICAL* explanation.
My bet…Steve Phillips will do a lengthy expose on Baseball Tonight later this evening about how Chamberlain was throwing at Youkilis on purpose, with multiple replays in super-slo-mo of the two pitches. Gammons will then chime in with his two cents before Phillips concludes by saying that Chamberlain is a flash-in-the-pan, how Boston is the classiest organization ever and how the Yanks should have traded Chamberlain, Hughes, Cano, Cabrera, Jeter and A-Rod for Gagne when they had the chance.
I f*#@ing hate Steve Phillips!!! Even more than I hate John Kruk…
One additional comment: regardless of whether Joba threw at Youkilis on purpose or not, it’s pretty clear that Joba is now part of the NYY-Bos rivalry, with at all this entails and implies.
Hopefully Hughes and Kennedy will get a taste of this before the end of year (note that I didn’t mention end-of-the-season).
Lets get back to the game for a moment. The Yanks sent another powerful message to the Sux other than the two 100mph over Youks head; that we can pitch as well as anyone in the league. These 3 games not only got us back into the division race, but they also demonstrated playoff caliber pitching, timely hitting, aggressive base running, and solid defense. Further, if we have 3 solid reliable starters we can certainly deliver another championship to ny where it belongs.
BJ
P.S. – Another blown save (and maybe blown game entirely) for Billy Wagner. Gotta love it!!!
Billy Wagner has thrown 40 ppitches and popssibly could blow the save oin in the 9th Go Phils
Joe Torre went over to Youkilis himself to tell him they weren’t throwing at him.
Managers don’t do that, if they were throwing at somebody. Especially, Joe Torre.
Its a nothing thing. If the Red Sox need this as “motivation”, then they aren’t as good as everybody thinks they are.
I would like to hear from Posada since he called for the pitch … twice.
wow what a bad week in Philly for the Mets
we should’ve picked up “garbage” like El duque Hernandez and David wells when we had a chance.
it was an exciting game but a bad loss
or a GREAT WIN for us Phillies fans. It is all a matter of perspectivelol
What I like most is that so called unstoppable bullpen of theirs did nothing but sit and watch this series. When they did put one in (okajima) we raked him. This will send a message to teams that this isnt the april yankees, we are as deep as we have been since the dynasty years. Wild card or Division we will cause havoc in the playoffs and take home 27.
the mets are officially pathetic now
This was a message to the rest of the league,DON’T GET TOO COMFY AT THE PLATE WITH JOMAMA ON THE BUMP. It will get around the league real fast,do not dig in at the plate.Also,it means JC will be called in to big spots down the stretch.Finally some character is shown by the guys.
We have a better record than the Mets now,they lose 11 to 10 in bottom of 9th.
joba was not throwing at him only a fool would think he was…
how does that JD drew ontract look? They only have him for 5 more yrs!!!!then again he has like 7HR’s..I forgot Theo is a genius…..
IF the Yanks make the playoffs with thee top 3 pitchers(pettite and Wang very good, Clemens not bad) and the back end of there pen(joba, Viz, and Mariano), and the best O in baseball they can cause alot of damage
One more thing, while someone brought up the mets. I can remeber last year when people were saying they would take Reyes and Wright over A-rod and Jeter and that those guys were better. That was a joke. Comparing two already hall of famers to two up and comming good ball players. Havnt heard a peep of that this year.I just think the media and other fans try their hardest to convince themselves that the Yanks arent that good. Individually and as a team.
You can keep your potential ball players. We’ll win with proven ones.
Tony Kornheiser on ESPN:
The Yankees will make the playoffs.
Exact words.
Guess they aren’t all bums.
In the series played in Bahhstin, Varitek promises to wear his best mask in the dugout and be ready for Shelley Duncan.
Tony Kornheiser knows what he’s talking about.
A nice little favor from the Cleveland Indians tonight wouldn’t hurt.
Ok, ejection aside, why was Joba in the game in the 9th with a 5-run lead to begin with?
Wang, an ace or not? Who cares? He wins today after all!
As Taiwanese, we really go nuts about how great he pitches in some of the games and, of course, will feel upset and frustrated if he’s not as good as expected. That’s why Peter called so many Taiwanese people out there staying all night just for watching their guy stepping to the mound.
But, there’s something more than that.
I received a call from my Mom who had just finished the TV live game (Yankees vs. Red Sox) when I was in office two days ago (Wednesday, Taipei Time). She was cheering on the phone, saying “we won! we won!â€?. WE won? I was surprised at her identity with the team, because it was Andy’s start that day, not Chien-Ming Wang’s. Can you imagine that a Taiwanese woman, aged 80, born as a Japanese (1917, when Taiwan was colonized by Japan), used to running away from U.S. bombing in her childhood during World War II, now becomes a NYY fan sitting on the sofa for every Yankee’s live game?
To the poster who asked who the red soxs threw at this series.
Dice threw at and hit Alex.
Great story, Johnny from Taipei
It’s amazing how some of us are fooled by what was said ofcourse Joba is going to say it slipped, fact is it didn’t it’s 5 – 0 we swept them & we had K-Ram warming up while this was happening. I’ve seen Joba at AA and AAA that ball did not slip..
chain of events
we hit Oki
it 5 – 0 under JOBA RULES he won’t pitch for 2 more days w/ TB in town
Alex’s HBP was not answered
9th inning 2 throws missed perfectly in the same spot
That was an “Oh yeh it’s 5 – 0 your about to be swept in NY Boston & OH YEH DON’T THINK WE FORGOT WHAT YOU DID”
Joba doesn’t miss like that not from one side of the plate to the over top of a head twice when the target is low and away.
that said *THANK YOU JOBA* message has been sent