A few medical updates
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 02, 2007 
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Andy Phillips was taken to Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center for an MRI and CT scan on his right wrist. He was hit by a pitch. No word yet on his condition.
Roger Clemens has been cleared to start tomorrow afternoon. But they’re going to keep an eye on how he looks warming up and have Mike Mussina ready to go just in case.
I didn’t get a chance to see today’s game. I had a day off and headed out. But if you take away the Red Sox series, the Yankees have won three of their last 10 games. Even with the Red Sox series, they’re 6-7 over the last 13.
Now they get Felix Hernandez and a Seattle team that is desperate for a win. The Yankees need to start taking care of business.
Todd Jones blew the save and had the bases loaded with no outs. Double play and fly out sends it into extra innings. Huston Street pitching in the top of the 10th.
Wilson Betemit get the 1B glove ready for awhile
The Yankees have been playing with their food all year. With a 2-game cushion on Seattle it’s not hard to envision them getting embarrassed by King Felix tomorrow.
Well, they may lost 3 of the last 10 without the Sox series, but they are actually 5-5 in the last 10. Of course, they need to focus because losing 2 out of 3 to TB is awful. Even more if you see the pitchers we faced. Absolutely terrible.
Haha, A’s win!
Detroit blows a 7-0 lead, oh man. What a horrible loss for them, and a great victory for Yankee fans.
We sweep Boston with Matzusaka, Beckett and Schilling on the mound for them; then we lose 2 out of 3 to the D’Rays with 2 of their starters with an ERA of nearly 7.
This team can be SO FRUSTRATING at times during THIS season.
Lets hope the Yanks can pick up the pieces and BRING IT against the Mariners.
JAck Hannahan singles for Oakland Detroit loses 8 – 7 in the btm. of the 10th !!!
Oakland wins and we got real lucky.
We need to pick up the wins, though I think playing Seattle will have the urgency that the Yanks had against the Red Sox.
Wilson? I don’t want to see him. I’d rather see doug out there. He worked his butt off to get back and he deserves to play. Wilson is a butcher, his start with us was a flash in the pan.
Boy, am I glad I elected to skip the remainder of today’s game! We miss Kazmir and still lose two of three (and our offense is completely anemic in both losses). I give up…What is the deal with this team? I guess they’re indifferent about whether they play in the postseason or not. Pathetic…
Today’s loss alone is not going to make the season.
Yanks will make the playoffs as a wild card, thanks to the failure of Seattle and to some extent Detroit.
However, certain things from today’s game are very telling and many revolve around Torre’s handling or non-handling of situations.
When things are going right, he is a good manager. When he has to use his brains, he is really challenged.
On the whole, Pettitte had a reasonably good game for the first five innings and there were telling signs after the sixth that he was laboring. But still, Torre stays with his veteran loyalty BS and the game goes out of hand after seventh. Similarly as someone pointed out, he sits on his seat for things to happens instead of making things happen.
Sure, many would say it is the players and the offesne did not come through. But, here we have the highest paid manager in the majors and if his only strength is soothing the egos of the spoilt veterns then god help this team.
Someone said that if Yanks let Torre go (or more precisely do not renew his contract), there will be lot of teams waiting for him. Well, let us see how many teams will pay him 7 mil per year for soothing the egos and not successful with the higehst payroll for seven years in row. I guess a good manager (not just soothing egos), would have won at least once in six years.
I have always miantianed positive ourlook on this blog and even when most gave up on the team I insisted that Yanks will make the playoffs. I believe that they will still make to the playoffs in spite of Torre. After that it is very difficult to see the success in the playoffs as was the case so many times in the last few years.
At least, our making to the playoffs steak will not be broken this year, I hope.
I think that Minky gets the nod b/c he ate up minor league pitching. Of course we still have the G-man.
Yeah of course if the gman can’t go. I’d rather have doug than Wilson out there.
I want to know why he didn’t ph Jason for Wilson earlier? When we had 2 on.
Betemit deserves to get his swing right it’s amazing how anyone can think Minky is a better option than Betemit. Again he’s had a sample of what 32 ABs Giambi P.S. has stunk as a starter lately 4 for 28 that’s w/o adding his o for today. I think people see what they want to see when it comes to this arguement.
The last two weekends, the Yankees had a chance to put both Detroit and Seattle in the rearview mirror. It took winning two VERY winnable one run games in Detroit, and beating the worst team in baseball at home.
Had they done so, they would be around 4-5 games ahead in the WC and in the drivers seat.
Instead, they failed on both counts.
Its a very frustrating team to understand this season. They looked so good against Boston yet, can’t beat Tampa.
They are 4-8 against the Orioles.
Its almost as if they can’t stand prosperity.
They lucked out with the Tigers losing 2 of 3 in Oakland and the Mariners getting swept in Toronto.
However, at some point, you have to win games.
They have now lost 3 of their last 4 series.
Seattle isn’t going to keep losing forever and the Tigers aren’t going to go away.
Somehow, this team has got to get their heads out of their collective butts and string together a couple of good weeks of baseball.
Seattle is going to be DESPERTATE these next 3 days. If the Yankees aren’t careful, they will get their butts handed to them. Especially since, in two of the three games, the pitching matchups aren’t in the Yankees favor.
With a 9 game roadtrip coming up, its imperative they win this upcoming series with the Mariners.
Give Duncan some starts at first! Heck, after this series we need to do something to shake things up!!
Giambi should be the first baseman. He’s a better hitter, and a bigger threat, than Wilson. Its not even debatable.
Frankly, the Yankees don’t have time to give anybody “time” to get it together. Wilson is 0-17 and hasn’t swung the bat well in two weeks.
If its May, you give him time. In September, you bypass him and go to Giambi.
Same goes for pitchers. Whomever isn’t getting the job done, go to the next guy.
Its not about small sample sizes, OPS, or any of that other stuff. Its about putting yourself in the best position to play 3 weeks of winning baseball.
To do so, you have to look at who is playing well, who isn’t, and adjust accordingly.
Giambi should be in the lineup tomorrow, with Minky in for defense late if they are ahead.
SJ44 – Great post. I agree on all counts!
Dave,
I would play Duncan at first against Ramirez and Washburn. He is a better hitter than Wilson is from the right side.
That’s a good suggestion.
well hopefully Andy will be okay and we won’t have to worry about who will play 1st for the rest of the season.
I finally saw today what everyone was joking about last night with the lab tops. I didn’t know the kid had sticky fingers. LOL
What happened to Clemens? Cleared to start? Was he hurt?
Howard the Duck is on tv now. Very funny strange movie. I hadn’t seen it in years.
As of right now he is starting. He has blisters on his foot. So it all depends if he can pitch thru it, if not Mike will start.
SJ44, one problem Giambi isn’t getting it done etheir.
Hey Pete –
What’s up with your comment about the last strike in Buchholz’ no-no last night? You’re way off base, as it were.
It was at the knees, on the corner, and was a strike, no question.
There’s a pretty decent .gif of it here:
http://img517.imageshack.us/im.....hr0yk0.gif
No way Torre should be trusted with all these young arms. He should have been fired after the 2004 ALCS. That being said who replaces him? Girardi? I like the fact that he won NLMOY last year, but this is a different situation. Also, can he be trusted with young arms? The Marlins pitchers were really good last year they seem very tired this year. Donny Baseball? Great players never make great managers. He may be different because his greatness came from work ethic. But who knows…Lou Pinella? he would wreck these young arms faster than Torre. Anyone have any suggestions?
Oh, and, if I might add – your comment about the laptops is unbecoming a “professional” journalist.
Thanks Jennifer….
Get over it sox fan it was a good joke…
Giambi is a better hitter than Betemit. Its not even in dispute.
Giambi also sees more pitches and helps this team to get back to working counts instead of just flailing.
Wilson is what he is. A nice bench player currently mired in an 0-17.
If its a choice between the two, I go Giambi everytime.
Interesting doings on the minor league front tonight. Austin Jackson got promoted to Scranton and will be with them for the playoffs.
I don’t know how much he is going to play. However, to be 20, start the year in Charleston and finish in the AAA Playoffs, is quite a metoric rise for a Yankee position prospect.
Best of luck Austin!!
It’s a joke Reasonable Sox Troll, its a blog not a newspaper.
To piggy back on BB’s point, its the inconsistency of his decisions, re: bullpen/pitching management that leave many of us confused with Torre.
Usually, he likes to get pitchers out of a game feeling good about themselves. Especially if they are scuffling.
Andy was scuffling today. He got out of the 6th having only given up a run. He was at 104 pitches. Navarro was going to lead off the 7th and hit Andy well all day. Its only 2-1 and you are still in the game.
That should have been “job well done” Andy time and you go to the ‘pen and try to win the game.
The logical move was Edwar for the 7th. If its still 2-1, you go Viz or Farnsworth in the 8th.
Forget Edwar’s second inning of work. He always struggles in second innings yet, Torre uses him in 2 inning shot. Another issue for another day.
Instead, he pushes it with Andy and it cost him.
He did the same thing with Hughes in Anaheim. Hughes struggled like crazy but, had a one run lead after 6. Normally, he would take him out, feeling good about himself, go to the bullpen, and take you chances.
Instead, he has the kid start the 7th, an inning he has NEVER completed at the ML level, the game got away from him, and they ended up losing the game.
Two starters, a vet and a rookie, and he went completely against what he usually does.
Its that inconsistency which drives a lot of us batty when discussing his managerial acumen.
PETE: GET THAT RED SOX BANNER OFF THE TOP OF THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ehh, I’m over it. Sure, the laptops incident is fair game for us regular folk, but when someone who is supposed to be professional resorts to such cheap shots, fish in a barrel type stuff, it demeans him and his profession. Not that newspaper sports writing could get much lower, that is.
But hey, let he who never did anything stupid and/or illegal in high school cast the first stone.
Why would a Red Sox fan even care what a Yankees beat writer says in his blog?
Better yet, why do Red Sox fans even visit Yankee blogs? What do they expect, a Red Sox lovefest in here?
ITA, Giambi is better than Betemit, I’m just saying that Giambi has been hitting that well lately. again hopefully this is a non-issue. I like having the choice between Phillips and Giambi a lot more than I like the choice between Betermit and Giambi.
I meant to say hasn’t been
Ugh! I just typed a long comment, only to find it didn’t get posted!
I’ve been on vacation so (4 days of which was a cruise) so I missed a lot. I skimmed a few of the posts from the last couple of days to catch up.
I can’t, can’t re-type what I just wrote, but I agree that Girardi won’t be the knight in shining armor. I think he would be a good strategic manager, though, and worth a shot. If he fails, and he’s let go, there’s not the same emotional tug that would come if the same were to happen to Mattingly. I don’t know what kind of manager Mattingly would be, and he may be a good one, but I think’s he’s not ready (’cause I’m an expert on such things, of course
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Anyone else think this is probably Roger’s last season, regardless of the outcome? I mean, at his age, and with all he’s done, will he really want to deal with blisters and soreness all over again? But seriously, how serious is the soreness in his arm and the blisters on his feet?
The last thing, I agree that this has been a very frustrating Yankee team this year. Feast or famine. They’ve had their problems in recent years defeating unknown or quirky pitchers. This year it just seems worse and I think it’s precisely because they either win a gazillion to one or two or they can’t score more than one run against sub-par pitching.
I think the Yankees’ offense will turn it around in time and I think it will carry them to and through the playoffs. It’s a matter of timing, though. But this year, they’ve had peaks and valleys, and the peaks have lasted, whch is key.
Just one more thing — I’ve notice a lot more new names here in the one week since I’ve been here!
Tom -
HooHoo! Boy, you sure got me there! “Reasonable Sox ‘Troll’”! HaHa!
And yes, this is a blog, not a newspaper – I recognize that.
However, Pete is still representing the paper he works for on this blog – even if it isn’t an official blog for the paper – when he identifies himself as a writer for that paper, giving this blog whatever cred it has. You all can say whatever the hell you like, but when Pete says something it reflects both on his paper and on himself as a so-called professional. Cheap shots don’t reflect well on his paper, himself, or his profession.
/and fwiw – I can’t stand Shaughnessy, either
I was just talking to my friend about Joe today. I think if Joe wants to come back he will. That is because Mo and Jorge will call the shots on that. They could say if you don’t bring back Joe we won’t come back. Joe is on the only manager either of them know. If either Mo or Jorge leaves we are in *HUGE* trouble. While we might have the heiraparant (sp) to Mo in Joba. Who would replace Jorge. Don’t underscore how bad it would be if he were gone.
SJ44 –
It is out of character for Torre to leave his starters in too long — most of the time the complaint is he takes them out too soon. But as frustrating as it is, don’t you think that the bullpen has been so untrustworthy or overworked for so much of the season that Torre is going against the norm – trying to squeeze an extra out or two from his starters?
Oh will you get over it already! Jesus, it was a joke.
I knew Andy shouldn’t go out there for another inning. I thought he would have put in Joba, since it was only a one run game. And he’d pitch 2 and Mo for the 9th.
well i have had like 5 different names this season so i look new but im unconcerned about building a rep like some people round here, this week alone i switched it twice
I just realized today that the Yankees have one last home weekend series.
besides the playoffs.
Jennifer –
Posada is the exception to the rule that everyone can be replaced. Sure, they can get someone to catch the game, but Posada’s achievements have always been underappreciated and under-estimated. This is the first year that I can recall hearing how valuable he is (that is, from anyone outside of the Yankees family).
It would be interesting to see if players would have that much of an impact on who the manger will be next year.
Doreen,
No question about it.
Clearly, Torre felt Andy was his best bet to get the lefties out in the 7th than anybody else. Probably the first game not having a lefty in the ‘pen hurt them since they re-configured the bullpen.
That said, asking him, at 104 pitches to gut it out in the 7th was pushing it a bit too much. Also, wasn’t really necessary. That’s why you have a bullpen.
What’s interesting is, Viz’s numbers against lefties are very good. But, I understand Torre was really ticked off at him yesterday for not pitching well, and having to burn Mo yesterday. That probably put him down on the pecking order today.
Now, its time to turn the page. New series=new opportunities. They can really put some distance between themselves and Seattle with three no excuse days of solid baseball. Its in them, we have seen it.
They just need to bring it out of themselves again.
The Yankees have both risen to the occasion this year and totally fizzled. I almost wish I was back on the ship — ignorance was bliss!
Bottom line is that Joe Torre, while lovable and a good manager of egos, is an idiot at in-game strategy. In Seinfeld speak, he is Bizarro Billy Martin, at least since Zim left.
Let’s review today’s idiocy. First, How do you start a weak-hitting RIGHTY against a hard throwing RIGHTY, when you have a premier, LEFTY hitter/slugger healthy and ready to go (Please, none of this “he is giving Giambi a day off because he breaks down” crapola– he had 2 months off). OK, better defense, right? Well, Giambi has been doing a pretty good imitation of Donnie the last few days, so that does not work either.
Next, where does the resident genius bat Phillips– AHEAD OF MELKY. I was at the game and said before it started that that was stupid and would come back to bite him. Remember when Phillips came up with 2 on and hit into a DP? So stupid.
Then nature intervenes. Phillips is hit by a pitch and has to leave the game. So he puts in Betamit. Well, that is OK. Play him until the at bat comes up and pinch hit Giambi. Well, the AB came up with 2 runners on and 2 out. If you were listening to the game and heard someone screaming GIAMBI, STUPID!, that was me. Oh, it must have been because he was batting .188. Earth to Joe, when healthy, Giambi is one of the best hitters and get on base guys, period.
And then the coup de grace– leaving poor Andy out there after having thrown over 100 pitches. Well, I said, one runner and surely he is out. That’s Torre’s mo, right? But noooooo, let’s leave him in until we are out of the game. You might have heard me screaming on that one, too.
Pete, you like to call us Torre bashers and all. But how about responding to these substantive points? They defy explanation. And guys/gals, it does not really matter much if we make the post-season. With Torre “managing”, we would be out in the 1st round. He has to go.
One P.S. Hughes has not regained his control or his velocity from before he was injured. IMO, it is all about arm strength. He has pitched too few innings to regain form yet. It may be that Moose ends up replacing him temporarily. Maybe not.
Watched the game with my dad today. He was a Yankee fan when I was young but now roots for the Rays. He is quite liberal and now thinks rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for General Motors. I say what is wrong with rooting for General Motors and I get a lecture on Bush’s illegal, immoral war (this is my life, sheesh).
Anyway he quite enjoyed the game and was giving me all kinds of grief about how his team is now the hottest team in baseball.
I have a question, did the Rays bullpen suddenly get good or did our guys just play horribly?
SJ44 –
First of all, let me say that I’ve been reading this blog for a while now, and – despite what your critics say – I think you do a very good job of evaluating your team’s strengths and weaknesses. You seem pretty reasonable.
Now, to answer your questions:
1. I care what a Yankees beat writer says in his blog because I care about sports, the Sox, and sports journalism, roughly in that order. I’m sure sports writers make jokes like the one I’ve taken issue with all the time, amongst themselves in the press box and whatnot. Whatever. But when one commits something like that writing and puts it out there for the world to see, it’s a cheap shot and, like I said in my previous post, is demeaning to all involved.
2. I like to see what fans of my favorite team’s main rival are thinking. Is that so hard to comprehend? I’ve seen several instances where a Sox fan posts here, and many of them were pretty obnoxious, and the posters here get all over them for checking out a Yankees blog. I’ve also seen many instances where a poster here mentions something they’ve seen on Sons of Sam Horn, but nobody criticizes them for checking out a Sox blog. How about a little consistency?
And no, I don’t expect a Sox lovefest here. Nor do expect a so-called professional sports writer to diminish a tremendous achievement by a) quibbling about a called third strike like he was Paul O’Neill and, b) taking a cheap shot at Buchholz for something he’s already admitted was a stupid mistake.
Was it Hughes who lost the first game to Tampa? I was trying to backtrack and couldn’t think of who it was.
2. I like to see what fans of my favorite team’s main rival are thinking. Is that so hard to comprehend? I’ve seen several instances where a Sox fan posts here, and many of them were pretty obnoxious, and the posters here get all over them for checking out a Yankees blog. I’ve also seen many instances where a poster here mentions something they’ve seen on Sons of Sam Horn, but nobody criticizes them for checking out a Sox blog. How about a little consistency?
NOT CHECKING OUT YOU BONEHEAD, ITS THE POSTING THAT BUSTS MY BALLS. LOOK BUT DON’T TOUCH.
Yes it was Phil.
The Yankees have had a feast-or-famine offense for years now…so, it should be no surprise that they continue to mysteriously fizzle against pitchers they should destroy. Man, is it frustrating to watch, though!
SJ44,
I think the bigger issue is why this team is without a lefty in the pen after September 1? I realize Henn has to stay down there, but Igawa could have been called up to at least serve some role. To me, a lot of the blame also has to go on Cashman. I’m sure if Torre had a lefty he’d have been in today and Pettitte wouldn’t have been.
Given the options available, it was a questionable move but I can’t kill Torre. Pettitte almost got out of it. If he got the last out would any of us be complaining?
Joe has been leaving Pettitte in for 110-120 pitches in a few of his recent starts. He trusts his veterans, and in this case, it is clear he was trying to leave Andy in long enough to get the win. That has been a long-standing practice, not just by Joe, but by many managers.
I don’t have any problem with how Joe’s handled the players or the bullpen. For my money, he gets a lifetime pass and can write his own contract. That will be the Steinbrenners’ position as well.
Jennifer — Thanks.
Chicago Dave — Yeah, but doesn’t this year seem so much worse??? I mean, Mariano has, what 22 or 23 saves in September????? Because they’re either blowing people out, getting blown out or just plain not able to win enough of the close games late. I remember just, maybe, 2 seasons ago? They had so many come-from-behind victories it was magical. Not so much this year.
Reasonable Sox Fan – If you’re so offended by biased sports journalism and writers stooping to take “cheap shots” against other teams, why don’t you start e-mailing Kevin Hench and Jim Caple over at espn.com…or, heck, most anyone who works for ESPN these days! I’ve never seen such biased (typically pro-Sox and/or virulently anti-Yankees) in my life…
Good question, but who do we have in the minors that is a lefty. Keep in mind that all our teams are in the playoffs and we can’t bring everyone up.
We also had so many come from behind wins cause or starting pitching either stunk or or relief blew it.
Doreen – Yes, I agree, the phenomenon is getting worse. I think that’s because Cashman has been devoting so much time to the pitching side of things over the past few years, while neglecting the fact that the team’s offensive makeup clearly isn’t winning them championships anymore. Not that I’m knocking Cashman, really…I just think he has done great things for our pitching while forgetting the offense.
Buster Olney is the xception, Chicago Dave. He was the best beat reporter ever on the Yankees (for NYT) before joining that generally anti- NY group. The other guy who was not on the TV side was Reynolds. Of course, he is gone.
This Year – Yes, Olney is generally harmless. Also, Harold Reynolds was the only watchable member of the “BB Tonight” crew…It really sucked when he got kicked off! Otherwise, ESPN is run (and staffed) by the Sons of Sam Horn…
At the low levels of the minors, we are doing much better on positional talent (Tabata, Jackson, Montero, Sublett, et al). First priority was pitching and he dealt with that big time. Remember name Dan McCutchen. And David Robertson.
On paper, the Yankees are, as Jim Leyland said last year, “Murderer’s Row and then Cano.” The problem is, they all seem to surge together and fade together. While it sounds like such a great thing that “no one player has to carry the team,” in reality, you need one or two players who CAN carry the team. On occasion, that’s happened. Unfortunately, they’ve also been lopsided this year in that the pitching and offense haven’t always been in sync either. Just frustrating. And yet, here they are, September 2nd, leading the wild card and only 5 games out of first. I know it could be better, but it REALLY REALLY could have been much worse.
This year – Hopefully some of those guys you mentioned are great contact hitters with the ability to get on base and actually make things happen…That’s what we really need at the major league level.
Couldn’t agree more, CD, re: rest of ESPN. I will not watch it anymore for any reason.
Jennifer –
Maybe. But at least they were able to overcome the failures more often.
Doreen – In my opinion, what our offense needs are some guys that know how to “manufacture” runs even when they’re scuffling. That’s what we completley lack right now, and part of the reason we have lost so many close games this year.
“LOOK BUT DON’T TOUCH.”
I’m sorry, I must’ve missed that section of “The Laws of the Internet”.
Chicago Dave –
Hench and Caple? Why would anyone even read those jokers, never mind care about what they say?
And as for the supposedly virulent pro-Sox/anti-Yankees bias at ESPN, I guess you’ve never listened to Joe Morgan, huh? (actually, that would be a good thing)
I actually wouldn’t know about any bias, because I haven’t really watched SportsCenter or Baseball Tonight for more than 10 minutes in years. I don’t see how any serious sports fan can deal with either.
Jennifer-
As much as it pains me to say it, Igawa is down there and looked okay in his one relief outing. Either way, the MLB team needs to be top priority now, not Minor League playoffs.
Chicago Dave-
Excellent point about Cashman and the offense. It’s something that’s crossed my mind. Pitching has to be the priority but the offensive prospects are non-existent.
Stealing 29 laptops is a “stupid mistake”? I’m pretty sure if he wasn’t a white prep star it would’ve been more than a mistake.
Don’t want to beat a dead horse, but Giambi IS the type of guy who can carry a team. Between the middle of 2005 and the middle of 2006, he hit 51 HRs in the equivalent of a season. Last year, through early August, he hit 37 HRs and then hurt his wrist and tried to play through it unsuccessfully. This year, in April I believe he hit 7 HRs or the equivalent of 42 HRs in a season. When he got back from his foot injury, he hit 2-3 HRs right away. Then he sat or played irregularly. Lovable Joe is an idiot. Phillips against a righty? Not only is it stupid– it is downright insulting to Giambi. And if Mattingly will not stand up to him like Zim did– or worse yet he agrees with him– I don’t want him as our manager, however much I love him.
“Hench and Caple? Why would anyone even read those jokers, never mind care about what they say?”
Why don’t you go back and read your own response when someone asked you why cared about Pete’s comment about Bucholz. You either care about good sports journalism across-the-board, or you don’t. So, which is it?
If you really care about quality, unbiased sports journalism, then you would care just as much about what Caple and Hench write as you care about what Pete posts on this blog. Agreed?
If Bucholz were black, he would have gone to jail– for quite a while.
Chicago Dave –
Yes!
There’s just so many times when they get guys in scoring position and they die there. Again, it’s amazing we’re actually complaining, since they’re in a position to be in the playoffs when they’re having such an off year, isn’t it?
Doreen – Well, we complain because we still remember the Yankee teams that won four WS titles in the late ’90s. That is to say, we remember that the Yanks used to have a clutch offense that could manufacture runs even when it wasn’t going good, and we lament the fact that we don’t have that offense anymore.
“LOOK BUT DON’T TOUCH.�
I’m sorry, I must’ve missed that section of “The Laws of the Internet�.
it’s the laws that apply to people that visit their rival team’s web site. you don’t wanna get chewed out, don’t post, just look around. what pisses people off is when we got little fairies posting about how the red sox have more championships in this millennium than us.
Chicago Dave –
You’re right. Those were special teams. How do you get that back again?
In case my earlier comment did not go through this is a a link to a CAple column at ESPN where he is ciritical of Sox fans for their behavior – what has also happended at ESPN is that the commentators have become celebs in their own right and ESPN lost what amde it special in the beginning – anyway here is the link – http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=mlb
“29-laptops.com”
Haha! You’re clever!
Throwing the race card too – nice work!
Seriously, though – here’s my point: think of the stupidest, most embarrassing, possibly illegal thing you did in high school, something that you regret and realize you shouldn’t have done. The day of your greatest professional achievement, someone who should know better brings it up just to knock you down. Would that seem fair?
Also, my primary criticism of Pete’s take on Buchholz’s game was his saying that the last pitch was both low and away. I posted a link to a .gif of the pitch, and no one has taken issue with the fact that it was clearly a strike. If you don’t like the ball-tracking thing on that .gif, you can see it unadulterated on mlb.com.
Why did Pete go out of his way to denigrate a no hitter by saying the last strike was a ball, when it clearly wasn’t? And then follow it up with a cheap shot about the laptops? Sour grapes?
Doreen – Well, let’s see…From what I recall it was Buck Showalter, Bob Watson and Stick Michael that really built those “special” teams. So, I guess if you want teams like that again then we need those three guys back at work! (Dream on, righ?!
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Reasonable Sox Fan – Nice how you didn’t even respond to my post and went straight back to bashing Pete.
Guess the answer is clear…You’re just another typical Sox fan who foams at the mouth whenever a Yankee fan or Yankee writer pokes fun at someone on your team. You couldn’t give a flying f#$k about good sports journalism or writers taking cheap shots (in general).
Does Bucholz really need you to defend his honor that badly? If so, he must be even younger than he looks…
Stick is still there and Cash– who was also there then as Watson’s assistant– uses him a lot these days as a consultant.
EricNS – Give me a break, Caple’s bread-and-butter is writing columns that slam the Yankees. Hell, it’s the man’s singular obsession! Because he writes one column criticizing Sox fans suddenly makes him unbiased? No way…
This Year – Well, I guess we just need to give Showalter a front-office job then, don’t we?
As long as you don’t put him in the dugout.
Reasonable,
Have you lived in Texas? Obviously not, otherwise you would know about good ol’ boys and white prep stars in a state that reveres Roger Clemens and Nolan Ryan. It’s not a card, it’s reality.
Why do you continue to fight for the wrong? It will follow him forever, but shouldn’t keep him out of the Hall of -Shame- Fame. LOL.
What do you want anyway?
man, caple nailed it, just nailed it on that one! it is exactly how i have been feeling the last 3 years and articulated to perfection.
This Year – Hey, I still have fond memories of the ’95 season! Buck may not be Mr. Personality, but I always thought he got a bad rap after he left the Yankees.
PETE ,
IT’S HARD ENOUGH TRYING TO IGNORE THE TROLLS.SHOULD WE
HAVE TO SEE THEIR ADVERTISEMENT AT THE TOP OF THE YANKEES BLOG TOO? I KNOW MONEY TALKS BUT SOME THINGS ARE JUST WRONG.
YOU TELL US TO IGNORE THEM,YET ACCEPT THEIR CRAPPY AD.WHAT GIVES!!!!!!WE SUPPORT YOU ALWAYS!!!
oh yeah… about that ad… what the hell yo?
Chicago Dave – at any rate as a passionate Yankee fan it was a fun column to read.
Lock that felon Bucholz up.
EricNS – Yeah, it’s the only Caple column that hasn’t made me instantly want to hurl in years!
Buck was an integral part of building the Yankees. But his control freak ways would not work with this team.
“If you really care about quality, unbiased sports journalism, then you would care just as much about what Caple and Hench write as you care about what Pete posts on this blog. Agreed?”
I can see what you’re saying, but I have to disagree.
Caple is Page 2, Hench is whatever foxsports.com has as their equivalent. Neither is meant to be taken seriously. They’re like editorial cartoonists, they show their bias in an attempt to be both informative and funny. (They usually fail at both)
Pete is a beat reporter and therefore is supposed to deal with the facts. And yes, like I said, I realize this is his blog and not his published article. But by making a cheap joke like he did, he diminishes his credibility as a beat writer.
“it’s the laws that apply to people that visit their rival team’s web site. you don’t wanna get chewed out, don’t post, just look around. what pisses people off is when we got little fairies posting about how the red sox have more championships in this millennium than us.”
Really? Care to show me a link to such laws? How about a link to this site’s TOS that says Sox fans can’t post?
Like I said, I’ve seen some posts from Sox fans here that were pretty obnoxious. I’ve also seen some that were pretty reasonable.
I guess it’s just surprising to me that fans of the big bad Yankees can’t tolerate dissenting opinions, even – or maybe especially – they come from one of your own. I’ve seen this board attack SJ44 viciously for pointing out uncomfortable truths.
And I don’t know that I expected to be chewed out just for posting here, though I wasn’t surprised. I took it into consideration before I posted and figured, eh, what the hell.
Are you going to call ME a little fairy now?
Yeah, but the column ends with the ultimate insult– Sawx fans are acting like Yankees fans. Can’t help himself.
RSF, go back to SOSH.
“BAWSTON ” BOTOX AD MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!HURTS YOUR EYES
sj44 gets attacked as much as he gets lauded
“Are you going to call ME a little fairy now?”
did you ummm bring up how many more titles the red sox have than the yankees this millennium… cuz thats who the fairy red sox fans are and its the majority of em that come down here to gloat about that anomaly. there are few rs fans that come down here to actually discuss anything. its usually some bonehead that goes by magic number and posts 20 and all that. those are the fairies.
Reasonable Sox Fan – Not that I have ever bothered to visit a Sox blog (despite the gratuitous link Pete has now provided!), but are you seriously going to tell me that blogging Sox fans never have heated arguments, or even start insulting each other, over differing views about their team?! Moreover, are you going to tell me that Sox bloggers are oh-so-polite to any Yankee fans that post on their board(s)?! BS…Things are the same all over.
As far as you continuing to create some difference between Hench and Caple vs. Pete…That’s BS, too. Just as Pete’s paper gives him a forum and the freedom to say whatever he wants, so does ESPN give Hench, Caple and their ilk the same forum and freedom. It’s the exact same thing. Moreover, whereas Pete is willing to go so far as to provide a link for Yankee fans to check out the invariably opposing opinions of Red Sox fans (i.e. a link to a Red Sox blog), ESPN does not provide point-counterpoint commentators to challenge the things that their pro-Sox reporters say.
I don’t understand wanting to see what “they” are saying about you. I have no need or care to see what SoSH says about us.
Reasonable Sox Fan – P.S. – As long as Dan Shaughnessey continues to be published, I believe Yankee beat reporters should be given a free pass on anything and everything they say about the Sox.
Besides, the last time I looked, this is America. There’s a little thing called “freedom of the press.” Had to be said…
RSF.. you obviously have way to much time on your hands
The owner of the website is in the business of making money. Boston sites advertising here is just another example of riding the coattails of the Yankees. If you notice this isn’t even the only sports blog on this site. Telling Pete to get rid of it kind of like pushing the elevator button repeatedly. Kind of senseless.
The Yankees pitching, except for Kennedy and Mo, took the weekend off. The Yankees bats took the day off. The Yankees tendency to mail it in against crap pitchers and poor teams is just incredibly frustrating.
Since its been a year-long tendency, how did this team prepare for this series? Did they read the advance scouting reports, did they watch some video, did they humble themselves for at least a few minutes to recognize they haven’t won a damn thing yet and oh by the way a pretty damn good hitting team is coming into town with nothing to lose.
Or did they simply pat themselves on the back for handling the sox, telling each other how great they are and go clubbing?? How did the coaching staff and the captain and the team leaders prepare? If I’m the owner I call up the GM and manager and demand an accounting. Lousy effort from a team that should have destroyed this team this weekend. I agree with an earlier poster, this years version of a team is not comfortable with prosperity.
They need to bring their game back against the Mariners or they will have their arses handed to them.
IGNORE THE TROLLS THEY ARE “DIRT DOGS”
THEY CAN’T BE THE YANKEES,SO THEY WAIT FOR THOSE WHO DO.THEN WE HEAR FROM THEM!!!!!!!! BOTOX WHO NEEDS THEM ?
Jennifer,
Don’t even go there. I’m assuming you’re a nice young lady. The language is FOUL. Way worse than Josh Beckett.
One of my friends is a Red Sox fan and she constantly complains about the stupid arguments on Red Sox message boards between Sox fans. That happens everywhere.
The sad state of Red Sox nation is best shown by the fact that some folks at SoSH had to pay to sponsor Phil Hughes baseball-reference.com page. Now THAT is pathetic.
Yeah, I actually look forward to seeing the Sox in the playoffs. I would bet every penny I have that Gagne is going to implode in a crucial situation, thereby costing them a huge game. Can’t wait to see it!!!
YOu know the funny thing. If a Yankee website wanted to advertise on a redsox blog, they would be up in arms about it and not allow it to happen.
case in point. the jimmy fund. A yankee fan donated a huge amount of money to rename the sports arena for a day. He wanted to call in Derek Jeter center. well all of red sox nation were up in arms. and the guy backed down. mind you he was donating a huge amount of money for the privilage of being able to name the building what he wanted. They didn’t care about that. Their hate of the Yankees over shadowed that.
karstens 7ip 5H 0R 0BB 10so..he beat Pawtucket (bostons aaa team) great numbers, do u guys think he gets another shot on the team maybe as a long relever
Speaking of Gagne, it’s been a while since he’s pitched.
I would let Karstens take Hughes’ next scheduled start…Seriously, I would!
6 games. I wonder what they are hiding.
I think Terry’s learned to avoid pitching him if he wants to win games.
AD MUST GO . THIS IS A TROLL FREE AD ZONE.THEY CAN COME AND TALK THEIR TRASH BUT WE’RE NOY BUYING ANYTHING BOTOX!!!!!!
Jennifer,
Can’t tip your pitches if you’re not on the mound.
Speaking of Clay Bucholz.
When I saw this morning’s headline, “A No-No for Bucholz”, my first reaction was, I wonder what he stole now.
Is that what you think his problem was? Tipping pitches? Or are you joking?
Jennifer – There was a published report recently that the Sox believed that Gagne was tipping his pitches.
Has anyone heard anything further on Andy?
Gagne needs the time off, as he is currently planning Bucholz’s next heist for him! HA!!
Damit, we should hope that isn’t it. IF it is, it is correctable.
jennifer – No, it’s more than just that. Every scout that has been watching Gagne this year says he is not the Gagne of old. His stuff is simply not as good…
Jennifer,
What a joke. Some would say it’s an excuse just like a phantom injury.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....id=1019709
I heard something interesting on the radio this morning. This guy was saying he watched the pitching motions of Prior, Wood and Gagne and knew they’d have arm trouble. He could tell what kind of arm trouble too.
He was an instructor for children, he teaches them how to properly pitch so they won’t have arm troubles.
CHICAGO DAVE,
WHEN YOU COME OFF THE JUICE,IT NEVER IS THE SAME!!!!!
Gagne’s Canadian, they only do beer.
Testing – am I blocked?
_And then the coup de grace—leaving poor Andy out there after having thrown over 100 pitches. Well, I said, one runner and surely he is out. That’s Torre’s mo, right? But noooooo, let’s leave him in until we are out of the game. You might have heard me screaming on that one, too._
Here’s something that people way too often don’t understand. Pettitte threw well over 100 pitches in his last start against the Red Sox in a similar situation and he won the game.
A ground ball to 2B by Pena in that situation and he gets out of the inning with a DP. Instead, he located a bad pitch and it cost him.
Pettitte has been this team’s best big game pitcher all season (and probably the last decade) and he had won his last 6 starts. I trust him far more in that situation to get their two best lefties out than anyone in that pen not named Joba or Mo.
Those who blame Torre for sticking with Pettitte are misguided and haven’t been paying attention this season because their pen is generally unreliable for the exception of a few. I’m sure Torre didn’t want to use Joba because they would have lost him for two games against SEA.
I’ll take Pettitte in that 7th inning over Edwar or Farnsworth every time.
Just like his 80 games save streak was bogus. I recall we had him on the ropes. Bernie Williams was at the plate, he was WALKED!! The ump called it a strike. If I recall correctly had he walked he would have blown the save. the ump saved his ass and gave him a bogus record.
Yankee kryptonite just hit someone to load the bases with Rangers.
Okay I was a little off.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=240620119
Matsui was at the plate, and he should have walked him, bringing to the plate Big Rube. who could have scored a run.
*Hurricane Felix arrives in New York*!
Wanna bet the Mariners will sweep the Yanks?
Let’s go Mariners! We love you!
Its a good thing I sat him in my league.
Yankee kryptonite just gave up a grand slam.
Oh damn it is def a good thing he is sitting. My era would have went up.
Everyone just ignore the knat that just flew in the room.
It always amazes me how childish the Red Sox trolls are…They even stoop to impersonating fans of other teams! Unbelievable…
DID YOU NOTICE, BOTOX MGR NEVER PUT HIM IN THE GAMES WITH THE YANKEES LAST WEEK? WHY, I WAS WAITING FOR THE MATCHUP OF HIM &JOBA
Chicago Dave,
You mean the guy going on and on about Jesse Litsch eating babies was a Red Sox troll? lol.
The Mariners should be focussed on winning one game before starting to think about a sweep in the Bronx.
hey who are you calling a Boston fan? It’s even more disgraceful than being a NY fan.
Let’s go Mariners!
Buzz, buzz, buzz…Where’s my fly swatter?
Here you go Chicago.
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didn’t link
http://tinyurl.com/28pr97
i’ll try again
We suck.
*Hurricane Felix* versus an Old, and Injured Clemens……. yep, it’ll be a cakewalk for Seattle.
Good night all. But I shall return tomorrow during the game.
Let’s go Mariners!
Seattle:
“Hurricane Felix arrives in New York!
Wanna bet the Mariners will sweep the Yanks?
Let’s go Mariners! We love you!”
Hey, “Seattle” welcome to the blog!
How has your team been playing lately?
stay classy seattle
Chicago Dave you’re right about the staff at ESPN. And, they do decide what’s important and what’s not. ESPN has of course noticed this blog and invited Pete to join them under the bright lights, and that’s the way it is. A Gannett newspaper employee made the most successful Yankee blog (in my opinion). Now you have the usual chain of events that happen in baseball media when you become big enough, like the company that owns this blog accepting advertising from the Red Sox (if in fact that’s their ad at the top of this page).
Is there a character/post limit here or something?
I’m trying to respond to some points folks made, but my posts aren’t showing up…
It’s 80′s movie night on Encore. I just watched howard the duck, and big. Now licenesed to drive is coming on.
Reasonable- Its called posting discrimination. This blog has computerized system that stops people with the words Red or Sox or Boston from posting responses over 50 characters.
Okay, I had a couple of posts go “poof”, wanted to check before I wrote them again…
Chicago Dave –
“Nice how you didn’t even respond to my post”
I’m sorry, if there’s something specific you wanted me to respond to that I didn’t, please remind me what it is, and I’ll do my best.
“You’re just another typical Sox fan who foams at the mouth whenever a Yankee fan or Yankee writer pokes fun at someone on your team.”
My mouth is foam-free, thank you very much. How’s yours?
Look – there are fans on both sides of the rivalry who think their and their team’s sh*t don’t stink. I try not to be one of them – hence, the moniker I chose for these posts. Do you? You’re the one who brought up Hench and Caple, as if anything they say carries any weight. As others have pointed out since I first started trying to post this, Caple’s most recent column slams Sox fans. Why would I care? Why would you care if he slams the Yankees? He’s a joke.
Aha! Swear filter!
Here’s more of the rest:
29-laptops:
“Have you lived in Texas?”
God, no! Why would I ever do that?!? Why would anyone?
“Why do you continue to fight for the wrong?”
It might seem from some of my posts that I condone what Buchholz and his friend did – I don’t. What I’ve been objecting to is that Pete, who should be above such things, went out of his way to take a cheap shot at a kid who’d just done something remarkable. Why would he do such a thing? Sure, folks like us can joke all we want, but a beat reporter shouldn’t lower himself like that.
I still haven’t seen any objection to Pete’s calling the last strike low and outside, when it clearly wasn’t. Why would he say that? Why would anyone believe anything he says when he’s so clearly and willfully wrong?
“What do you want anyway?”
World peace, an end to poverty and hunger, Franka Potente in my bed, and a reasonable Yankees fan to acknowledge that Pete went out of his way to gratuitously slam a kid who’d just done something remarkable.
I’m afraid that last one is too much to ask for.
King Felix is gonna turn into King Louis XVI, because he is gonna get beheaded and his team is gonna get burried.
Last one…
CATYA –
TYPE LOUDER, WE CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!
Buchholz Eleven –
“did you ummm bring up how many more titles the red sox have than the yankees this millennium… ”
Fair enough, just wanted to make sure you weren’t painting with too broad a brush.
Chicago Dave –
“As long as Dan Shaughnessey continues to be published, I believe Yankee beat reporters should be given a free pass on anything and everything they say about the Sox.”
If you read Shaughnessy on a regular basis, as I do for some masochistic reason, you’d know that he slams the Sox far more than he does the Yankees.
I’m still waiting for him to retract everything he said earlier this season about how Pedroia doesn’t deserve to play, and that the FO were idiots to think that he did.
And btw – about your earlier comment that I don’t care about good sports journalism? I have the irrational hope that Joe Sullivan, the Globe’s Sports editor, will fire Shaughnessy just so he doesn’t have to deal with any more emails from me.
“freedom of speech…”
Yeah, Pete can say what he wants, and I can criticize him for it. God Bless America!
Farns…
“you obviously have way to much time on your hands”
Maybe so. Apparently you don’t have enough to construct a reasonable objection to anything I’ve said.
Yankee Josh –
“The sad state of Red Sox nation is best shown by the fact that some folks at SoSH had to pay to sponsor Phil Hughes baseball-reference.com page. Now THAT is pathetic.”
Wouldn’t that be a poor reflection on Yankees fans? They can’t even pay to sponsor a page for their “franchise”?
Now THAT is pathetic!
This Year –
“RSF, go back to SOSH.”
How about this: you don’t tell me what to do, I don’t tell you what to do. Deal?
“This blog has computerized system that stops people with the words Red or Sox or Boston from posting responses over 50 characters.”
Heh!
No, took me a few tries to realize it doesn’t like cuss words.
You have to have some serious criminality inside of you to steal not 1, but 29 laptops from your highschool. Its not a “mistake” or “poor judgement” its being a felon. Now stealing a candy bar or clothes or something could be seen as a mistake. You dont start out a criminal career by stealing 29 lap tops. There is most likely more to his criminal history than stealing 29 laptops from his school. To call that a mistake is insane.
I was just messing with you. How bout them Bruins?
Yanks offense has turned OFFENSIVE.
To all New Englanders- Is the whole Patriots team on HGH?
jennifer
I pursume you were asking about Andy Phillips, right?
well yankees.com says that the yankees are expect to know more information tomrrow before the start of the seattle series, I don’t know if that is a good thing or a bad thing though.
Giambi gets the start at 1st.
Bench Damon.
Littleton just hit Cabrera to juice the bases for Vlade. What a time to retaliate. lol.
Giambi needs to be starting now and forever.
Yeah, the last I heard was that he was having an MRI. Hopefully he just needs a day or so off.
I’m really pulling for him with all he and his family have been thru.
Giambi can’t start at first everyday, that is the problem. HE gets these pains that crop up if he does. He is good for 3-4 days at first at most!
I need help locating a Joba shirt. I found one in one of the stores on river. But it was an adult small. I am very petite and need a childrens medium, large at most. I couldn’t find it anywhere on the strip or in the clubhouse store. Anyone else have any ideas as to where I could find it?
Just also want to add that if the Yankees go 17-8 in these next 25 games they’ll have 93 wins. That should be more than enough to get to the playoffs. Wang and Pettite have 10 more starts between them. They should be able to win at least 8 of those. That means the trio of Clemens, Kennedy, Hughes/Moose has to win a total of 9 games. Does anyone here not think this is possible?
I am LORD of the OBVIOUS….We gotta either sweep out the Mariners or take 2 outta 3 to keep THEM in our rear view mirror….Over the next 9 games, we gotta win at least 7 to have ANY SHOT at heading into Boston with ANY SHOT at the division. The time to start playing HOT ONLY starts NOW. This Hot and Cold crap won’t cut it the rest of the season OR in the playoffs….It is now GO TIME !
hammel just finished owning the best offense in baseball since the all star game, anything is possible
ITA Jennifer, he has been thru so much in the last couple of years, stuff I wouldn’t even wish on anyone. He has worked so hard this year to get back to the majors and has done better than anyone expected, I would hate to see his season end like this. Its my hope that he only need a few days off and that will see him in the KC series.
“How bout them Bruins?”
Ugh. I posted in another forum to an Orioles fan that Bruins fans feel the same about Jeremy Jacobs that they feel about Peter Angelos. Yes, it’s that bad.
Again, about the laptops – yes, it was bad, very bad. But one of the things that has gotten to me is the implication that Buchholz did it by himself.
Now I don’t know the whole story, and neither does anyone else here, but as a Sox fan who follows the team and the minors pretty closely, he seems like a pretty good kid. Did he get talked into it by his friend? Who knows? Did I ever get talked into doing something illegal by my friends when I was in high school? Heck yeah.
Did anyone here who’s come down so hard on Buchholz do something stupid and/or illegal in high school, perhaps at the behest of their friends? Probably.
You say that to call stealing the laptops a mistake is insane – how many people getting down on Buchholz drove drunk in high school or college, or even after? Would they consider doing so a mistake? I have, and I do.
Which is worse? Stealing from a school and getting caught, or endangering lives and not getting caught?
Finally, how many times do I have to say it – I don’t condone what Buchholz did in high school, but I think it’s a cheap shot for a “professional” sports writer to joke about it in an effort to diminish a tremendous performance.
And hey! What about that outstanding curve for the called third strike? There’s video proof out there that it wasn’t low and/or outside. Why would anyone believe Pete after he said that it was?
DIT DOGS COMING TO OUR BLOG.I GUESS THEY LET ANYONE IN NOW DAYS. WONDER WHY “BAWSTON DIRT DOGS LOVE THE YANKEES BLOG
SO MUCH? THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO UMMMM!!!!!
Franka? Is that a guy or a girl?
And you were fighting for the wrong. You asked me to imagine the stupidest thing I did in school. Well that was cut school, once. No felonies, no misdemeanors. You implied that just because you have a crowning achievement it should be excused. That’s the thing about skeletons, they have a way of being found when you are famous. No no-no, I wouldn’t have even known about the laptops.
And it’s obvious that you want attention, with your passive-aggressive posting.
And it’s not like Pete was at the post-game conference and asked him, “Now does this achievement erase your stupid mistakes of the past?” He made a joke on a blog, a Yankee blog.
And what’s wrong with Texas? Are you looking down your nose because they don’t have any ivy league schools? Their petro’s not good enough to run your little beemer? Typical elitist with your pink cap/faded “B” cap and Ambercrombie t-shirt.
Seattle and Detroit theoretically have harder schedules also. Seattle has 14 games against NY, Det, Cle, and the Angels. Detroit plays Seattle (of course) Toronto, and Minnesota for 13 games. The Yankees will get there.
Dude take it easy. Pete made a harmless joke about Clay. The incident has provided many Yankee fans and I with endless material for making fun of him. If you thought we were going to pass up that opportunity, you are crazy.
We know soxs fans wouldn’s so why should we.
so stealing computers was a stupid mistake, really.. i call it a crime.. a mistake is backing into another car or haveing your cart in the market crash into someone else’s.. taking computers from a school is called stealing that is a crime not a mistake..
his mistake was selling them on Ebay, the stealing was a crime.. again redsox fan why would you come to this site? your explanation is idiotic.. I have no desrie or interest to go to the sox blogs and see what there fans are saying.. the obsession with sox fans on the ynks is literally sick, you ar going to win the division so tkae your meds and relax..
The tigers really blew obe today.. The yanks have lost many games this yr. they should not have but they blow there games differently then Detroit who just lets Todd Jones do his magic late.
Just think if Barnett did not blow the bloomquist out by minimum 3 feet play the yanks are up by three over the mariners……
the yanks pitching just stinks, there is no wy around it.. try the rookies, etc.. they stink and have to simply bash there way into the playoffs..They have so many pitching issues with 25 or so games to go it is ridiculous…
clay is the michael vick of laptops now
He sold them on ebay?? wow what an idiot!!
DO YOU KNOW THREE REASONS WHY “BAWSTON DIRT DOGS” ARE QUICKLY REPLACING LABRATORY ANIMALS?
1.THERE’S AN UNLIMITED SUPPLY
2.THE LAB ASSISTANTS DO’NT GET ATTACHED
3.”BAWSTON DIRT DOGS WILL DO THINGS RATS JUST DO’NT DO
haha I love the line that “lab assistants don’t get attached.”
IF he sold them on E-bay, I’m pretty sure that’s a federal offense. Interstate and all that. Like I said, good ol’ boys taking care of the prep star.
“Franka? Is that a guy or a girl?”
Run Lola Run, The Bourne Identity. I like redheaded short-haired punky girls and I can not lie.
“You implied that just because you have a crowning achievement it should be excused.”
No I didn’t. I’ve said pretty much the opposite – that just because you did something wrong it shouldn’t be used to denigrate something great you did.
Really, what did stealing the laptops have to do with the great game he pitched last night?
Why did this blog’s author bring it up just after he wrongly called the last strike low and outside? Seems to be he was being petty, which he should’ve been above.
That’s all I’m saying, is it so hard to understand?
“And what’s wrong with Texas?”
As much as I’ve posted in this thread, I don’t think I have time to answer that completely. Also, I don’t want to sidetrack this mostly civil discussion into politics, which could get ugly.
BTW – nice try: I drive a Toyota, have owned a total of two Sox caps over the past 18 years, and wouldn’t wear anything with “Ambercrombie” on it if it were free.
CATYA –
I STILL CAN’T HEAR YOU. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TYPE IN ALL CAPS AND BOLD!
dontfirecash:
“If you thought we were going to pass up that opportunity, you are crazy.”
I’m taking it pretty easy, thanks.
I wouldn’t think for a second that Yankees fans would give Buchholz a pass on the laptop thing, I just thought that a beat writer would be above that sort of thing, like I’ve said time and time again.
“Seems to be he was being petty, which he should’ve been above.
That’s all I’m saying, is it so hard to understand?”
Seems to ME he was being petty…
As originally written, yeah, it might be hard to understand…
Pete has a sense of humor, like us. If Phil Hughes was dumb enough to steal 29 laptops, Red Sox fans would be throwing those rather bulky batteries at him from the seats of Fenway.
“IF he sold them on E-bay, I’m pretty sure that’s a federal offense.”
Jeez, you guys are getting all harsh on the guy (understandably) without even knowing the least thing about it.
Ebay was never involved – they tried selling them on some nearby college campus.
dontfirecash,
So what’s new? lol.
Tell God to forget about Seattle and keep an eye on Detroit.
CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? NOT!!!!
That you mel? God gave me some terrible predictions on Friday when he proclaimed the Yanks were going to sweep TB. I can only hope he does a better job this week.
“I have no desrie or interest to go to the sox blogs and see what there fans are saying.. the obsession with sox fans on the ynks is literally sick, you ar going to win the division so tkae your meds and relax..”
I’ll take my meds when you learn how to spell, deal?
“If Phil Hughes was dumb enough to steal 29 laptops, Red Sox fans would be throwing those rather bulky batteries at him from the seats of Fenway.”
Ooh, a devastating riposte!
Just to remind you – in the ’99 ALCS, Sox fans threw stuff on the field because the umps got a couple of calls wrong. In the ’04 ALCS, Yankees fans threw stuff on the field because the umps got a couple of calls right.
Now, who should be criticizing whom about throwing stuff on the field?
CATYA –
I STILL CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!
oooh devastating riposte.
Yeah, it’s me. Yankees will take care of Seattle. They have some hard losses to avenge. Then hopefully Seattle will do us a favor by roughing up Detroit. Rodney stunk it up for them and then Todd Jones imploded. Pine Tar is due back this week, though.
Did you see the boxscore from last night? Colt was in street clothes by the 3rd quarter.
YOU YELLOW BREASTED SAP SUCKER. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!!!!!
Reasonable,
If we stop talking about Clay & the Laptops, will you go away?
haha yeah that was an awesome game. And my former school Univ. of Colorado managed to beat Colo State. And Michigan lost. And Notre Dame got killed. So it was a good day all around in college football.
Well folks, it’s been fun, but I’m out of here.
I’d like to think that this exchange shows that if everyone tries to be civil, Yankees fans and Sox fans can have their disagreements without getting too nasty. But if someone gets nasty with me, I can and will respond in kind (to the degree allowed by the swear filter, hah!).
I’m still waiting for that reasonable Yankees fan, who will at least acknowledge that Pete was way off in calling that last called strike low and outside, but maybe it’s too much to hope for that a Yankee fan will agree with a Sox fan on much of anything.
Except maybe this –
PEOPLE WHO TYPE IN ALL CAPS DESERVE ALL THE RIDICULE THEY GET!
I feel sorry for Notre Dame. They looked bad. How far do you think Michigan will drop? Hopefully not too far, Jeter was really affected by the loss.
Oh, I get it’s ok to throw stuff on the field, but only when the umps get a call wrong…Seriously why are you guys so obsessed with the Yankees? Is it because they have been beating the crap out of everyone for 85 plus years or is it because they have been to almost Half of the World Series since 1921? Boston get over yourselves Your team will never match the Yankees and your city will never match NYC. Sorry but thats the way it is. Now go back to your little cottages in New England and worry about YOUR TEAM!
I don’t know. The Big 10 better pray Michigan sucks this season because what does it say about your conference when your supposed best team loses to a 1 AA squad?
And App State should get votes in the AP Poll even though they aren’t eligible.
Though I must admit my Buffs lost to montana st. last year, another 1 AA squad. Luckily CU was so bad last year that it didn’t really matter.
I’ve gotta be honest.
In all my years, I’ve never seen anyone so offended at one person’s opinion on a pitched ball.
If you want to really be offended, go to a SoSH game thread. EVERY ump call is questioned.
Darrin, haha why did that guy care so much that Pete thought it was a ball?
The Big 10 is horrible. Right now the conferences would have to go 1) SEC (from top to bottom it’s the deepest) 2) Pac10 3) Big12 4) Big East and in a tie for 5th its the Big 10 and ACC.
Go Gators.
cash: I honestly have no idea!
Get this: A Sox fan spends the ENTIRE evening on a Yanks blog complaining that a beat reporter thought an umpire’s call was wrong. Oh yeah, and this same beat reporter told a bad joke, too. And because of this, the Sox fan is OUTRAGED.
Don’t get me wrong. I see his point. But why debate the point with Yankee fans? Just email Pete and complain, right?
haha all mail from Red sox fans gets stuck in Pete’s spam filter. Seriously though, I agree. I’m not sure what he was hoping to accomplish by telling us that Pete was wrong.
seattle’s taking two of three. games one and three, to be more precise.
maybe that’ll wake the yankees up and help them realize they need to start putting teams away. but, nothing has yet this year, so i don’t see why this week would be any different.
it’s getting kind of old the way this team sleepwalks through games and series. it’s going to come back and bit them and, you know what? they deserve it. if they’re not going to step up and get up for the series against the bad teams as well as the good ones, then they should have to live with the results.
today’s game is 100% on torre, but the offense giving away at-bats certainly didn’t help.
Darrin,
I’m sure he did. He mentioned that he regularly e-mails O’Shaugnessy. Such a name dropper. It was fun though. I’m sure his face was red as a bull when he was furiously typing his “ripostes”.
haha “ripostes.” I gotta admit that made me laugh.
It just goes to show what differing perspectives people have.
After Buchholz no-hitter, Yankees fans are like: “Oh, wow. He threw a no-hitter. Moving on……”
On the other hand, Red Sox fans are on 48 hour high and can’t believe fans the whole world isn’t caught up in the same delirium.
The nerve of Pete…..
kasey,
God has been telling me otherwise regarding the Seattle series, but he also told me they were sweeping TB, so I can’t be sure anymore.
Kasey, I know we don’t see eye-to-eye, but we’re on the same page on this one. In fact, I’m concerned the Yankees will be swept. I truly hope I’m wrong, but this series concerns me more than any other we’ve played this whole season.
Before the Boston series last week, I was quietly confidant. I didn’t think they’d sweep, but I thought 2 out of 3 looked good.
I NEVER thought they’d lose the Tampa series.
Now it’s a classic setup. Sure Seattle has played over their heads this season, but the last thing I wanted to see was the Mariners on a 9 game losing streak. I will be shocked to the core if the Yankees win the 3 game series.
What has me worried is the law– as in the Law of Averages. 9 in a row? I agree. I am worried.
We’ll be alright this upcoming series as long as Mussina doesn’t pitch. If he steps foot on that mound, forget it!!!
OK, made the mistake of leaving this page up, then refreshing it after I got out of the shower…
Darrin –
“In all my years, I’ve never seen anyone so offended at one person’s opinion on a pitched ball.”
I wasn’t offended, per se – but what got to me was that, when talking about a game that had been a no-no through 8 2/3, with two strikes on the batter, Pete says “hey, that was a ball!” when it clearly wasn’t.
You all spend a lot more time here than I do – when he’s so wrong about something like that, why do you believe anything he says? I’ve asked that several times, and never gotten an answer.
“Don’t get me wrong. I see his point. But why debate the point with Yankee fans?”
Just wanted to see if any Yankee fans would agree with me on something Pete got so wrong. I don’t know if anyone else here saw the game, but there were a couple of curves in the last few innings that looked like strikes but weren’t called. I didn’t see Pete complaining about the Joe West on those.
Here’s my point, for the umpteenth time – a no hitter is a great accomplishment, while also being a fluky sort of thing. I’d like to think that the people who get paid to write about baseball would be big enough to acknowledge the accomplishment, even if it’s performed by a player for your rival, without getting all petty about it and trying to demean both the the feat and the player. I guess in Pete’s case, I’m hoping for too much.
“A Sox fan spends the ENTIRE evening on a Yanks blog complaining that a beat reporter thought an umpire’s call was wrong. Oh yeah, and this same beat reporter told a bad joke, too. And because of this, the Sox fan is OUTRAGED.”
I guess you’ve never spent an evening just f*cking around, doing something different, trying new things, huh? What a sad, sad life you must lead.
And you know, part of the word “outraged” is “rage”, a very important part, in fact. Please point out to me where in this thread I demonstrated anything close to “rage”.
dontfirecash –
“I’m not sure what he was hoping to accomplish by telling us that Pete was wrong.”
I don’t know, agreement? Is there some sort of Yankee-fan code that states that one can never agree with a Sox fan about anything, ever?
Is it too much to hope for that the Yankees fans here can appreciate a great pitching performance without feeling the need to denigrate the pitcher who performed it, or without taking some sort of thrill in “that last called strike was a ball” when it clearly wasn’t?
Mel –
“He mentioned that he regularly e-mails O’Shaugnessy [sic]. Such a name dropper.”
I never said any such thing. And even if I did – so what? You could email him every 5 minutes if you wanted to. His Globe email address is published at the end of every column.
But I suppose you’d rather criticize me for something I didn’t say than come up with a response to something I did.
“ripostes”
So sorry, next time I post I’ll use simpler words. I didn’t mean to send you scurrying to dictionary.com. What a hardship that must’ve been.
Zzzzzzzz.
SIGH…Calling you a name-dropper was a joke. Of course O’Shaugnessy wouldn’t know you from any one of the other billion residents of the Red Sox Nation.
This is a direct quote from your 11:00 p.m. post tonight:
“And btw – about your earlier comment that I don’t care about good sports journalism? I have the irrational hope that Joe Sullivan, the Globe’s Sports editor, will fire *Shaughnessy just so he doesn’t have to deal with any more emails from me.*”
So, you quote a post where I talk about emailing Joe Sullivan to prove that I talked about emailing Dan Shaughnessy? How does that work?
Maybe I should have been more clear, but I thought it would be obvious that the “he” I mentioned there was Sullivan. After all, why would Sullivan fire Shaughnessy because of emails I send to Shaughnessy? That wouldn’t make any sense!
Fair is fair though – I have to admit I didn’t catch your joke. I won’t go back and replay them, but there have been several posts I made that were in jest, and weren’t taken as such.
MEL,
IGNORE THE SCUMMY DROSS FROM “BAWSTON”
IT’S A SHAME WEAVER IS’NT GOING TO PITCH WHEN SEATTLE COMES,
I WANTED THRE 2003 VERSION OF WEAVER AGAIN!!!!!
I’m sorry, I read it wrong. I thought the antecedent you were referring to was Shaugnessy, who was the last male referred to in your sentence. Now it makes sense. My bad.
So my point is that you probably e-mailed Pete about his unprofessional comment, since you’ve stated that you regularly correspond with other people in the media.
I’d be much more surprised if Kasey said the Yanks were going to win 2 of 3 instead of losing them.
Why anyone takes this guy seriously, I have no idea.
CATYA –
WOW! I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE WHO SHOUTS AS MUCH AS YOU WHO CAN BOTH USE A WORD LIKE “DROSS” AND MISSPELL “ISN’T” AND “THEIR” IN THE SAME POST!
KUDOS TO YOU!
TELL ME, WERE YOU TRYING TO TYPE “THERE” OR “THEIR” THERE? LOOKS LIKE “THERE” TO ME.
IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW.
OR DO YOU?
OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING IS RIGHT SO LONG AS YOU TYPE IT LOUDLY?
ill do if clemens gives up back to back hit to lead off the game ill take him out
BITE ME,SCUMY DROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bro! what is up with that ad up there argrgr!
“So my point is that you probably e-mailed Pete about his unprofessional comment, since you’ve stated that you regularly correspond with other people in the media.”
I have something drafted, but haven’t decided yet if I like the tone. I’ll probably look it over tomorrow when I’m sober and send it off after making any changes I feel necessary.
Seriously, though – you make it sound like I’ve been all haughty about the fact that I’ve sent emails to the editor of the Globe Sports, when I only mentioned it in response to someone who claimed that I didn’t care about sports journalism if I didn’t also criticize Sox beat writers and columnists, or other writers who are perceived to be biased towards the Sox.
These days anybody can write to any sports writer they want to. For you to imply that I think I’m someone special because I’ve emailed people is pretty disingenuous, if it isn’t a joke.
Hey, one time about five years ago I sent an email to Simmons about how much Shaughnessy s*cks! And he wrote back and said “yeah, he does”. Does that just blow your mind?
“BITE ME,SCUMY DROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
YOU’RE MISSING AN ‘M’! MAYBE ONE OF YOUR EXCLAMATION POINTS HAS IT!
JEEZ, I WAS SO BLINDED BY THE EXCLAMATION POINTS THAT I DIDN’T NOTICE AT FIRST THAT YOU’RE MISSING A SPACE, TOO!!!!!!!!!!!
/CAPS LOCK – IT CAN BE TURNED OFF
I don’t have any argument with you, nor any riposte.
Seriously, it’s been fun. Laff-O-lympics. But I wish you no ill. Peace out. Shalom. Or as they like to say in Texas, “See y’all later”.
Mel –
Cool. I’ve had fun, too.
See, was that so hard?
Or as they say in LA, “can’t we all just get along?”
“BAWSTON DIRT DOGS” SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED ON THE LOHUD YANKEES BLOG !!
There can’t possibly be more super sensitive people in this world than Red Sox fans. It must be from all those decades of frustration, humility, disappointment, and living in a small and naive existence.
“For my money, he gets a lifetime pass and can write his own contract. That will be the Steinbrenners’ position as well.”
Are you kidding?
Steinbrenner wanted Torre fired last year. This year looks to be somewhat worse (the Yankees probably getting into the playoffs via wildcard rather than as AL East champions).
Unless Torre pulls off a miracle and somehow manages this team to great heights over the next 3 weeks and the following month, ideally winning both the AL East and the World Series… I don’t think the Boss is going to be too keen on him coming back. Fail to make the playoffs or make an early exit again, and I think we can expect Joe Torre to find himself in the same position as Casey Stengel at the end of the 1960 season. Told to retire.
Joe is my homedog
AL,
I AGREE WITH YOU . JOE IS BEING OUT COACHED.HE HAS ONE GAME PLAN AND THE OPPOSITION HAS LONG CAUGHT ON TO HIS MGMT
STYLE. I.E .YESTERDAY’S GAME. ANDY, FINALLY GOT OUT OF THE 6TH INNING WITH BASES LOADED,100 PLUS PITCHES,AND A RUN SCORED. TORRE BRINGS HIM BACK OUT… AND YOUV’E SEEN THE REST.HE ONLY TRUST A FEW PLAYERS,AND USES THEM TOO OFTEN.
WE LOVE JOE AND THE 4 CHAMPIONSHIPS BUT SOMETHING GOT TO GIVE.TEAMS USE TO FEAR PLAYING IN YANKEE STADIUM. NOW THEY
LOOK FORWARD TO BLOWING US AWAY !!!!
Dear RSF – I did not see the last pitch so to say a ball is too outside is not unreasonable – the laptop remark was wrong but the other comment was not.
Cashman’s decision boils down to:
-Torre’s good will with the veterans and a large group of fans and ability to deal with egos vs. new blood with newer game tactics/philosophies.
He has to weigh one against the other and see if making a change will be beneficial for the organization.
That moron said he was leaving at 12:30 am yet he was still posting here a 2:30 am.
Still ‘ithing about Pete thinking the pitch was both low and inside and about Pete’s joke about he lab tops. That dude needs to get over it already!
Mark my words, if Mo and Jorge are back next year, Joe will be too. If you want Joe gone, Jorge and Mo will be gone. And don’t be shocked to see Jorge go across town.
Reasonable Sox Fan
The pitch was low. A little outside. My friends and I, some of whom are Red Sox fans, were at a bar watching the last out of the game and we all laughed when the umpire called a strike. It was also a great pitch. And takes nothing at all away from Bucholz’ no-hitter. In the course of any game, no-hitters or not, there are borderline strikes and balls called and that was one in this game. Who cares and who cares if Pete mentions it? If Phil Hughes had pitched that same game, Bill Simmons would have legendized the last strike call for the next decade in the same way he’s brought legitimacy to the ridiculous myth that David Stern put the Knicks envelope in the freezer prior to the 1985 draft selection. That’s how blogs and the internet works these days.
Clay Buchholz and The 29 Laptops — Pete’s comment WAS a cheap shot. How could it be described as anything else? It was also a joke. But again, that’s the state of the internet and blogs in general. It allows people — even sportswriters — to sometimes make jokes. Since you referenced Simmons, I’m assuming you are a fan of his. Have you ever read one of his Q&As on ESPN.COM? It’s filled with cheap shots and light-hearted insults. Sure they are based on facts, but so was Pete’s comment.
It’s a little ridiculous if Yankees fans think that our team doesn’t have players and hasn’t had players with their own history of questionable conduct, though. They have. And Red Sox fans have reminded them of that to no end. So in the end, you are criticizing Pete for what has become the reality of sports fandom and, yes, even sports journalism in 2007.
Personally, there is no way in hell I want Joe Torre back next year. Yesterday, Joe basically had no idea what to do in a 2-1 game in the seventh inning. How is he going to figure out how to handle Phil, Joba, Ian and other that comeup through the farm system.
How’s this for an injury update? I found this obituary for Mike Mussina:
http://jimbarton20.blogspot.co.....na-39.html
somewhat in poor taste, but funny if you don’t like the Yankees.
stop the madness!!!
The Yankees have held a meeting and decided not to play like crap AT ALL for the rest of 2007…as a result, they have guaranteed a record of AT LEAST 20-5 ( or better ) over the last 25 games, which includes a sweep of Boston IN BOSTON !. This will put them at 96-66 and Boston has a pretty good chance that the Red Sox finish AT BEST 12-13 over the last 25 games.( figuring in that sweep AND the injury bug that FINALLY is taking its yearly visit at THEIR clubhouse ) This puts that Yankees at 96-66 and division champions and the BoSox at 94-68, 2 games out and fighting for their lives to even be in the playoffs. You can all relax now…..ALL IS WELL…..oh, and wait until you see them DISMANTLE what’s left of the fastest sinking ship in the AL ( the once HOT, now ICE COLD Seattle Marooners )
* It’s September 2, and the Yankees are playing below .500 against both the AL East (26-27) and the AL West (15-16). Boston’s marks are 32-21 and 18-17 respectively.
* They’re also below .500 on the road (31-35) and just 2 games over .500 in interleague play (10-8). Again, Boston is 40-31 and 12-6 respectively.
* Yankee fans bitch about how the White Sox rolled over for Boston in last weekend’s sweep, but the MFY themselves are 27-11 vs the AL Central and they still have 3 upcoming vs KC.
* Meanwhile the Red Sox (now 20-11 vs the Central) finish with a 4-game set vs MIN. Assuming no rainouts, Boston will finish the season having played 6 fewer games against that division, and with a schedule skewed against the Central’s better teams.
* In fact, those 6 additional games for the Yankees vs the AL Central amount to 2 extra vs the White Sox and 4 extra vs the Royals — the two weakest teams in the division. Their combined record against them this year: 12-5.
Without that little fringe benefit, the MFY would be a helluva lot further back than 6 games, and the Chicken Little panic brigade over here would have been silenced before they ever spoke.
yankees swept boston, both teams had there three best starting pitchers….yankees r a better team end of story
OK, let me get this straight…This blog grew into what it is due to the care and feeding of many devoted Yankee fans. However, instead of being rewarded for all of our hard blogging work, we have to put up with links to Red Sox blogs and one inane comment after another by mindless, moronic Sux fans. Does this make sense to anyone?
Reasonable Red Sox Fan,
Evidently, “reason” is no guarantee of wisdom or common sense.
To expect praise and validation for a Red Sox players’ accomplishment on a blog populated by ardent Yankeee fans is the height of narcissism, egomania, delusion, naivete or all of the above.
It’s a little like declaring oneself a “reasonable” jihadist and wondering why Americans don’t appreciate the beauty and profundity of Islam.
The Red Sox-Yankee rivalry is a tribal battle. Yankees fans don’t like your team or your players. Worse, we cannot abide Red Sox fans. And were we to visit the Red Sox fan boards at the Boston Globe or Boston Herald, Yankee fans, no doubt, would encounter an equivalent animosity.
As for Pete, well, I wouldn’t take too much umbrage from what he had to write about Buchholz or any other Red Sox, player or fan.
If it make you feel any better, Pete often makes snide, contemptuous, and tactless remarks about Yankee players as well. Edwar Ramirez was so distraught after the Yankees demoted him in July, he couldn’t speak to reporters without dissolving in tears. For some reason, this sufficiently amused Pete to prompt him to make some flippant comment about “no crying in baseball” No one ever accused Pete of being a paragon of empathy or compassion.
In fact, on occasion, Pete even disparages the opinions and arguments of some of his blogs’ most frequent visitors and loyal posters.
Only a fool looks for “reason” amid a war between tribes.
MIKE,
DON’T FORGET 26 CHAMPIONSHIPS,39 PENNANTS,A HOST OF DIVISION
WINS,AND THE PLACE WERE LEGENDS ARE MADE!!!!!!!
PRIDE POWER PASSION YANKEES!!!!!
I just do not see Yankees winning another WC with Torre at the help, especially given the direction in which the team is going with young players. Those of you who think that Torre has earned the right to continue as manager as long as he wants, please wake up. He did not win any thing in the playoffs in the last six years. In fact, Yanks lost or did not win win becasue of his bonehead moves. He won in the first five years and for that he was very well taken care of. He is paid 7 mil/year which is much higer than the next higher manaer salary.
When Torre complains (softly) about Jobba rules to the media and Cashman says he does not want to discuss with media, unlike Torre, that should tell something that there is friction developing. Without Cashman’s support Torre is a certain goner.
Now, regarding Posada and Mo, if Torre is gone they will also go? Be realistic. They will go somewhere and will have Torre there to manage them? The bottom line is Yankees will probably offer them more money than any other team and that is what thier decisions will be based on. How Mattingly or Girardi will be less appealing to them than other managers of other teams who may be interested? Not only that, just like Torre, they were well taken care of by Yankess fro many years. Loyalty goes both ways.