Game 137: Devil Rays at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 02, 2007 
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Here is the lineup:
YANKEES
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Phillips 1B
Cabrera CF
Pettitte LHP (12-7, 3.70)
Pregame chatter: Yanks are facing RHP Jason Hammel (1-4, 7.44). … Pettitte was 6-0 in August and is 13-1 against the Devil Rays in his career. … Thanks to Kevin Devaney for texting me with the lineup.
UPDATE, 11:07 a.m.: I watched the end of the Red Sox game last night and a few things stuck me at the end:
The final pitch wasn’t just low or outside. It was low and outside. Brutal call by Joe West. … Dustin Pedroia is really good. He and Robinson Cano are interesting to compare because they have such different styles but are each really effective. … Buchholz was taken with one of the compensation draft picks the Red Sox got for Pedro Martinez. … Finally, while watching a no-hitter is always interesting, I just hope the kid stays out of the press box. I need my laptop.
UPDATE, 11:52 a.m.: Kevin texted me to mention that the topic of his contract came up in Torre’s pregame media session. Joe said he wanted to return and was enjoying himself but wasn’t thinking about it.
I think the Yankees need to deep into the ALCS if not win it for Torre to come back. But, that said, would Joe Girardi or Don Mattingly really be better choices at this point in time? It’s impossible for anybody to know. I think either one of them could do the job but we really have no idea.
Some people see Girardi as some knight riding in to save the day. But he had some serious issues in Florida getting along with the front office and the local media. There are only three papers that cover the Marlins, seven on the Yankees.
If you don’t think that matters, just ask Art Howe or any one of a number of managers or coaches in New York. If the media in this market decides you need to go, it’s just a matter of when you pack up.
Also, keep this in mind. If the Steinbrenner family is unsure about whether to keep Torre, you can be sure that Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Roger Clemens, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte and Hideki Matsui will come to his aid. Those guys are Torre loyalists and will get their voices heard, especially Jeter, Posada and the Texas boys. It’s hard to read A-Rod at all times. But his relationship with Torre has improved leaps and bounds this season from what I can see.
This is all a problem for later. But just the fact it comes up on Sept. 2 tells you how far the Yankees have come in a few months.
The quest for +17 resumes!!! (let’s hope the Yankees FINALLY can get 17 games over .500).
So who is starting tomorrow, Clemens or Mussina
Pete,
I don’t know how much you know about this, but how do playoff/WS shares get allocated?
I remember reading the “Duke of Havana” book about how the Yankees voted to give el Duque a full share (versus a partial share), but it wasn’t clear to me how much is a partial share and what the line is to give one (i.e., if the Yanks win the WS, do Pavano and Igawa get one? How about José Molina?).
Carrying on a thread from Pete’s last post, regarding Hughes looking like someone who needs three more months in AAA (the injuries to his hamstring and ankle didn’t help)…If I’m not mistaken, he also did not play college ball, like Joba and Kennedy. Maybe Billy Bean was right. If so, it might be a stretch to expect him to function at a high level not only now, but next year. (If they’re being careful of his innings, winter ball may not be an option.)
One possible solution might be to start him in the bullpen next season. As has been pointed out previously when discussing Joba, this used to be standard practice in the majors. Then, transition him to the starting rotation. As we have seen, sometimes you can never have enough starting pitching.
Err, I mean I automatically like the line up. Right. Pretty sure Shelley would rather be playing himself…
Playoff shares are decided by the players. They decide and vote whether to give full or partial shares and to whom.
“I just hope the kid stays out of the press box. I need my laptop.”
Great line Pete.
Pete: Hah! Maybe you should get a lock for your laptop?
God the laptop incident provides us with so much material. I could go on for days.
Best thing about today: Joba’s return.
I would like to see Duncan get a start once in awhile. I guess Joe is only going to start him when he rests Abreu or the Damon/Matsui combo against a tough lefty. But when the team is going great, there’s no complaining from me.
NY Post claims Clemens is going to start despite the blisters/pain.
Can someone please enlighten me? What is the joke about the laptops?
Its pretty clear Hughes needs more time. BTW, there is nothing wrong with him needing more time. Especially since the injuries killed him this year.
Its tough right now because he is in the Yankees rotation and they need him to win games. However, its clear, he isn’t anywhere near ready to be a consistent member of a ML rotation. At least not one with playoff aspirations.
He needs to be able to throw his third pitch (changeup) for strikes in any count. He also needs to be able to go deeper into games and he needs to be able to throw strikes from the stretch. You can’t do any of that right now.
Its too late to fix all that this late in the season. However, he can fix it after a winter of conditioning, a solid spring, and spending the first few months in the Scranton rotation next year.
When you only pitch around 50-60 innings (which is where he will be this year), he’s going to need some time in AAA to refine his skills and get in more innings.
This is a big game today. They can’t afford to lose a series to the DRays right now, especially with the Mariners on deck.
Andy, once again, has to bring his “A” Game, and they need to pound Hammel.
A win today provides nice momentum going into the Mariners series.
Bob55:
Buchholz and a friend stole 29 laptops a couple years ago and tried to sell them on Ebay.
SJ: A win today, and even if the Yanks get swept by the Mariners, they’d still be tied for first. (Obviously, I’d rather be six up, but much better than one back!)
Bob: Buchholz stole and sold laptops from his high school, apparently.
Thanks JFud26. Now that’s funny.
Joe West made a bad call?? What is the baseball world coming to? Next thing will be Barry Bonds is accused of juicing.
Prediction today: Yankees 8 DRays 2
It’s a shame about Hughes. He was close to having his moment like the Buch Sox kid is having right now. Then the injury and now the struggles.
3-Days That The Pennant Race!!
The Drama. The Meltdown. The SWEEP!
Take part in the fun and celebration with this special Slideshow
http://tinyurl.com/39kv78
I wanna give a shoutout to a talented photographer, JerseyGrrl, and fellow Yankee, Jenifer. She sent me some extraordinary photos of the series, which I used and which can be seen at her blog nosenseworrying.vsport.tv
I also wanna give a big shoutout to my buddy Lois. She wrote a prayer asking Providence to humiliate the Red Sox. Obviously, the Lord holds that Grrl in good standing, and she’s on OUR side!!
Cano went yard twice on Thursday.
And the Stadium WENT WILD
See Robbie get MOBBED in Curtain Call Number One
http://tinyurl.com/2pcw25
Pete, you wrote, “Kill-Schilling:
“I think a story on a 21-year-old kid who was on the disabled list for 3 months “not fulfilling his potentialâ€? would be kind of stupid, personally.
He had two serious leg injuries, so of course he has looked different. He’s not pitching well, obviously, but I’m not going to judge on on a lost season like this.”
A “stupid” story?
Well, perhaps, it’s elementary to you why Hughes thus far has failed to meet expectations. It doesn’t appear so so self-evident to many of us less sophisticated fans however.
Is the explanation as simple as that he missed three months of the season? God, I hope so. But I fear something more serious may be awry, like his mechanics, his delivery, or the residual effects of his injury, as Carlos Gomez’ article implies.
After all, simple explanations, in my experience, tend to be the province of the simple.
JRVJ -
Wil Nieves stands more of a chance in getting a playoff /WS share than Pavano does. The “fragile one” has ripped off the Yankees enough already.
Curtain Call Number Two
http://tinyurl.com/3xbzwe
Phil: He – Hughes,that is – will get there. All that’s required is a little patience. That’s sometimes hard for us fans.
I wasn’t implying he wouldn’t get there. Just saying it is a shame he didn’t have a great first season and get some national acclaim as, from locker room journalist accounts, he’s a good kid. I’m sure it will come.
Ooop
should read:
3-Day That SHOOK The Pennant Race
http://tinyurl.com/39kv78
Great Slide show. thanks, Doc, JerseyGirl, Jennifer.
Dr. A–GREAT! Thank you for sharing!
this maybe a stupid question but what is a playoff /WS share?
peter a.-
the yankees are playing tampa bay in two hours in a game they need to win to take the series and go into the seattle series tomorrow on an upbeat note.
i’m not interested in pedroia or buckholz. i don’t think derek jeter or joe torre is either.
ian kennedy was the story yesterday for yankee fans. beating tambay bay is the story today. beating seattle is the story tomorrow. the yankees under torre have always been good at focusuing on themselves and winning the games at hand.
you are a yankee beat reporter. focus peter focus.
Lap top jokes are fine for message board fans but a bit of a cheap shot from a professional journalist. And the timing makes it even more petty.
Based on how far you get in the playoffs, each team is awarded a “bonus.” The share is each player’s take. The players vote how many shares to give out and how much of a share to give to everyone. The more shares they vote for, the less each player gets.
Today’s Front Pages
http://tinyurl.com/2wf5j5
Geez…why is everyone attacking Peter? It was a funny line posted on his blog, not in the paper.
Great slide show, doctor.
How can you not make fun of the laptops? It is freaking hilarious.
OT question:
Does anyone on here watch games on DirecTV HD / Extra Innings package outside of the NY market? If so, when they let you watch the Yankees feed, is the YES feed in HD for the games? Are the pre and post game shows in HD? Do you get YES on 622 and a separate YES HD channel full time?
Question: Who is better…at stealing laptops? Phil Hughes or Clay Bucholz.
I give the kid credit. A no-no is a pretty big deal.
It’s nice to see our everday firstbaseman back in the lineup. /sarcasm
If you’re going righty vs. righty, give Duncan a shot. Or Betemit, whose LH splits are much, much better.
Andy Phillips should be the once a week backup.
I can be patient. I’m just worried and disappointed thus far. Hughes’ poise has impressed me and apart from the TB outings and his first start against the Royals, he’s pitched well enough to keep the Yankees in games.
My only concern is that he’s lost some of the command, velocity, and control he had last year. I realize the role of velocity is overrated. However, Hughes was known for a 93mph fastball with late explosiveness (and the ability to reach 95mph when necessary.) And I remember in that TX game his fastball consistently reached between 91-93mph.
During the last two games Hughes has pitched the Stadium radar gun never once exceeded 90mph on his fastball and was often clocked at 88mph.
Maybe, he hasn’t regained his lower body strength as yet. He did suffer an ankle and a hamstring injury after all. As I responded to Pete, I hope the problem is that simple. However, I fear more may be awry with Hughes than that.
In a very incisive and cogent analysis written former major leaguer, Carlos Gomez, he suggests the Yankees have altered Hughes’ delivery. The adverse effects of which are now manifest.
(http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....al-changes)
Yeah, Humptor, leave Pete alone. Face the fact that Buckie Buckner Bucktoothed MotherBucker Buchholz is never going to live down his laptop escapades. This is not to diminish his no hitter, which admittedly was great stuff. It’s just the way it is. Some stupid things stick with you always, kinda like when one of your buddies gets trashed and wakes up with a 500 pound chick at spring break. You ever gonna let him live that one down either?
I never trust any radar guns at any stadium. Gameday had him at 91-93 on Friday.
Should Tony Pena be considered at all as a possible Yankee manager? Is Cashman still “on a big hook”?
I don’t know what is more pathetic the Yankees when playing Baltimore or Baltimore vs everybody else.
Seriously this team gets crushed 30-3 and then gets no-hit by a Rookie, but when the Yankees come around they come out and look like super heroes against.
Good for nothing Baltimore!
Dr. I don’t know how you do it, you always find a way to top your prior effort.
As always, Thank you.
Thanks for the photos Jenifer! Thanks for the prayer Lois!
Kill Schill,
If I recall the Gomez article correctly he also stated the Hughes pre 07 mechanincs caused signinficant concern to him because of the possibility of a severe shoulder injury.
yo… where the f**k is my laptop? this isn’t funny where the hell is it?
I wonder whether the Yankees changed Hughes’ delivery or he altered it due to the injury?
Poor Andy Phillips. He’s outstanding in the field and is hitting over .290 this season.
But all the gurus think that Betemit or Duncan “should be given a shot.” Why hasn’t Andy earned the right to be the starter?
Is it because he hasn’t hit enough homers? Granted Betemit has more power, but as I have mentioned 100 times already *he is a strikeout machine*.
Call me a sentimentalist, but I kinda liked the Yankees of ’96-’01, the team that used to have a bunch of contact hitters and played good fundamental baseball. The last thing I want is another strikeout slugger in this lineup.
“Wil Nieves stands more of a chance in getting a playoff /WS share than Pavano does.”
as much a i ragged on nieves when he was there, he deserves at least a half share and a ring if the yankees win it all. he did his best in helping pitchers win some games, carried himself like a yankee when he was there, and he left in a classy way after being replaced.
After reading Pete’s update about Torre’s contract…I wouldn’t think Posada would leave the Yanks…but if Torre is not asked back, it might open the door a crack for him to leave if he doesn’t like Joe’s replacement. Same for Mo. Even though I don’t see either of them leaving via FA.
Global Warming – Yeah, at least the Angels have the decency to be good against everyone else (when they’re not bashing our heads in)!
Joe Torre likes the money, the glamour,the limelight and he still enjoys the game, he will stay one more year and then say Mahala and return to the Big island and grow pineapples.
Phil -
I have DirecTV with the Extra Innings package. I get YES pre-game/post-game on 622. Actual game is blacked out. I get Yankee Classics, Centerstage and Ultimate Yankee (I don’t watch it) but they blackout Yankeeography and some other programs. None of that is HD on 622 or elsewhere. I get 10 games per week in HD on 731 and 730, many times it is the Yankee YES feed. I am very pleased with that.Otherwise I get YES or MyNine on one of ten EI channels. Also get ESPN HD. Being in the Tampa area I get Devil Ray games on Fox Sports FL and an over-the-air station CH 66. Overall I get baseball up the whazoo, just not all in HD.
Chicago Dave–Amen!
We have to face Eric Bedard but Boston doesn’t? WTF?!
“Lap top jokes are fine for message board fans but a bit of a cheap shot from a professional journalist. And the timing makes it even more petty.”
get over it.
the kid stole laptops. Julio Lugo hit his wife. David Ortiz threw a bunch of bats at the umpire. the Red Sox have hit over 100 more batters than the yankees over the past few years.
this is exactly the kindof crap “Red Sox Nation” likes to overlook when they get on their moralistic soapbox and denounce the “Evil Empire”. kindof like how the entire Paxton Crawford story got buried and is never talked about.
a Red Sox prospect came out and said steroids were all over the place in the Red Sox clubhouse, but the story was never discussed for more than a day. nope, it’s just the big bad Yankees who took steroids. the Red Sox are just a ragtag collection of scrappy minimum wage underdogs, jolly oversized teddy-bears, and funny but lovable eccentrics.
Murray..why so bitter???? Whining about a final out call?
Dont worry your lil phil “Franchise”? will develop a 3rd pitch and Tubby Chamberlain will be able to pitch more than inning without gettin a day off… someday. Have a snickers!
This might be a stupid question…but I’ll ask it anyway. If Hughes is not “right” and/or not 100%, why are they leting him pitch? After all, it just doesn’t seem consistent when the Yanks are being so anal about Joba’s health. Besides, if he is actually getting into bad throwing habits now because he is trying to be protective of his leg (or something else), that is bound to lead to further injury (or injuries) down the road. Lord knows that bad mechanics can be extremely difficult to fix once they’ve taken hold of a young pitcher…
Besides, Hughes simply isn’t getting the job done right now. Heck, if we’re going to use a rookie, at least let’s use one that’s completely healthy (e.g. Clippard, Karstens, etc.)!
Hope today’s game is more exciting than that boring a$$ game from yesterday. No more bat hijinks…. BTW, what is it with some of these Japanese players and their ridiculous crap on the field? Iwamura and his patrck ewing-flattop bat, ridiculous shades, and more armor than a medieval knight, Ichiro and his first name only BS, Shinjo and his retarded glow in the dark 3 feet long arm bands, and finally, our favorite, Igawa and his stupid stupid shades (not to mention that great flat 89 mph flat meatball fastball up in the zone)?
Is “Best Team in BB” using different names now (like “BuffaloHead” and “Betty Humptor”)? Geez, I hope not… If you’re going to come on a Yankees board and bash the Yanks, at least have the stones to stick with one name, buddy.
Southern Yanks – appreciate the response. Thanks.
I am debating whether to upgrade to HD and just want to be sure it is worth it. Currently the Extra Innings package lets me watch the Yanks feed for the games on 622 without having to jump to the 730s about half of the time. Without the games in HD, I don’t want to upgrade.
I’ll stack my Sox-hating credentials against anyone’s, but I found myself rooting for the kid at the end. Bucholz looks about 16 years old, and you could see how visibly nervous he was on the bench. But he didn’t give into the pressure, and continued to hit his spots with a nasty curve right until the end. I do think the home plate ump got caught up in the moment a bit, and helped him out. He’s only human and it was 1 10-0 blow-out with the hometown crowd hanging on every pitch. God I love baseball.
CYF – They have an entirely different culture in Japan… That’s the only answer I can think of!
I’m hoping Girardi is the next manager. Just hearing him do the YES contracts buys me over. His knowledge of baseball is really outstanding. I can easily say that I probably learn something new or a different way of looking at something after a Girardi broadcast.
I would most definitely prefer Joe G taking over the team rather than the great Donnie Baseball.
That being said, I wouldn’t mind Torre back for a year or two. Especially since it would help us bring back key guys like Pettitte(player option), Clemens(unlikely return), Mo, Posada, etc
Torre actually vacations on the island of Maui, not the Big Island. I ran into him in the airport out there twice, in addition to Pettitte, when I lived out there a few years ago. Mahalo.
After James Andrews became intimate with the elbows of Anibal Sanchez and Josh Johnson, I’m timid about Joe Girardi taking over in the Bronx.
The papers often report that Donnie Baseball is Cashman’s choice to be the next manager. I wonder how Cashman’s relationship is with both Don and Joe G.
Girardi is like a younger Piniella…way too hot-blooded to be able to survive managing the Yanks for any great length of time.
Worry about next year next year.
Let’s get to October this year first.
“Call me a sentimentalist, but I kinda liked the Yankees of ‘96-’01, the team that used to have a bunch of contact hitters and played good fundamental baseball. The last thing I want is another strikeout slugger in this lineup.”
has everyone been watching Jason Giambi play 1B? it’s been fine, isn’t it? oh wait, i thought he a “lawnchair”. nope, he’s been just fine.
first of all, the 1996 Yankee benched Tino and played Cecil Fielder and won a World Series. but that is conveniently forgotten when we make a case for Andy Phillips.
Andy Phillips can’t hold Tino’s jockstrap. what is your argument here? you make is sound like the Yankees won 4 WS by starting a guy with no power at 1B. you make it sound like Tino was an all-glove no-hit 1Bman.
Giambi should start at 1B and Phillips should come in late in close games and play defense. that’s his role. on the days you want to rest Giambi, you can start Phillips against righties and Betemit against lefties.
but i don’t get this desire to hand Phillips the starting 1Bman job. he’s good at what he is, an occasianal starter/late innings defensive replacement.
i hate that i have to argue against him, b/c i like having him on the team. but people want to make him better than he is, and he just isn’t.
“Tubby Chamberlain will be able to pitch more than inning without gettin a day off… someday.”
Exactly how many innings has your vaunted closer thrown this year? Something like 47 I believe. Who’s the pussy now?
dontfirecash,
Clay tried to get no-hitter.com but it was taken. Wanting to get his blog going immediately he went with 29-laptops.com
dontfirecash, Gomez did indeed.
But when I asked Pete-Abe yesterday whether any of the Yankee beat reporters were planning a follow-up article. Here was Pete-Abe’s flippant and condescending reply,
“I think a story on a 21-year-old kid who was on the disabled list for 3 months “not fulfilling his potentialâ€? would be kind of stupid, personally. He had two serious leg injuries, so of course he has looked different. He’s not pitching well, obviously, but I’m not going to judge on on a lost season like this.”
The idea of such for such a story probably suffers from many shortcomings but “stupid” isn’t one of them.
Fortunately, Pete’s curt lack of tact has surfaced often enough that I don’t take offense.
From how he played, and his turns announcing games I fear Girardi would have the boys playing NL West style small ball, giving up outs and such. That is the last thing we need and Torre already runs us out of enough big innings. We need to stick to whiffin’, walkin’ and whumpin. But someone who can creatively manage the rotation and bullpen will be important next year, particularly if we have the three youngsters. Roster construction is a big part of this, and finding a couple suitable swingmen who can mucnh innings is a priority. We have lots of in-house candidates, including Rasner, Sanchez, Mussina, and even Igawa. Not sure what is available on the market.
yeah, Pete what a tasteless joke. From now on, follow the Red Sox lead and please “stay above the fray.”
The post written above by “Get over it” should be required reading. There is no nastier collection of “fans” than Bostons. You will get that reaction from across the league, not just from the Yankees.
If you can stand it, try to go over to SoSH and read one of their “game threads.” Never have I seen a more nasty collection of knuckle-draggers in my life. My personal favorite is how they love to portray Joba, Clemens and Giambi as these “fat, sloppy, sweaty, tub-of-lard pigs.” Meanwhile, none of these players can even come close to approaching how fat-looking Ortiz is. Amazing.
I like it Mel. I used this one last night, but I’ll bust it out a variation on it. It must be tough for Clay to choose which computer to use when he checks his email.
hmmm – And what of Giambi’s pronounced tendency to breakdown when he plays at 1B for any extended period of time? I don’t really think, given his history, you could pencil him in for every game (starting at 1B) the rest of the way. I also don’t think that having Andy play the last couple of innings of each game would be enough of a breather for Giambi.
Also, Giambi hasn’t cost us any runs in the few games he has played since he’s been back, but, again, it’s hard to argue with his history… Play him enough at 1B and he will cost the Yanks some important runs, defensively.
This team has more 1B options than they know what to do with:
Giambi
Phillips
Betemitt
Minky
Damon
Duncan
Posada
Molina
Phil – Personally, I cringe at the thought of Posada or Molina playing first!
I think I might be running out of laptop material.
I didn’t say they were all great options.
Sanchez didn’t have TJ Surgery. He had shoulder surgery. His second one, BTW. He has torn his labrum twice. Once when he was in the Red Sox system and once this year in Florida.
Josh Johnson had TJ Surgery. He also had a bad elbow prior to the Marlins acquiring him.
If you look at the pitch counts of ALL their young pitchers, they are actually LOWER than average for starters in the NL last year.
That’s the problem with “hit and run” attacks on Girardi and his work in Florida. Its often inaccurate.
Look at the Marlins this year. They have a “players manager”, Freddie Gonzalez. How’s that working out? They lead the league in errors, Willis has fallen off the map, their best player is 40 pounds overweight, and they have already packed it in this year.
What’s the “problem” in Florida? According to the same beat writers who disliked Girardi (and love Gonzalez because he sucks up to them), its “lack of fundamentals and lack of discipline”.
Gee, that was Girardi’s calling card.
As far as not getting along with the owner, not many people get along with Jeffrey Loria or his stepson (President of the team) David Samson. They are both jerks.
In fact, if Girardi got along with them, it should eliminate him from consideration for another job because it would tell me something is wrong with him.
Girardi is a smart guy. He knows the difference between managing a veteran team, sprinkled with younger players, and managing a rookie laden team.
Just look at how he worked with pitchers while catching in NY. He worked well with both veterans and young pitchers.
If they decide to make a change, he is CLEARLY the best choice.
Doesn’t mean he will get the job but, he is the best choice.
“hmmm – And what of Giambi’s pronounced tendency to breakdown when he plays at 1B for any extended period of time? I don’t really think, given his history, you could pencil him in for every game (starting at 1B) the rest of the way. ”
i agree. this is what i said, and i apologize that i wasn’t too clear: “on the days you want to rest Giambi, you can start Phillips against righties and Betemit against lefties.”
i wasn’t clear, but in my head i was thinking Giambi for 3-4 days a week at 1B, DHing the other 2, maybe 1 day sitting completely.
i just think the yankees need to play with Giambi and Damon both in the lineup as much as possible.
as for Giambi’s injuries, i do agree he may break down, but to me he looks great. he looks slimmer, he is running well, and he is moving well at 1B.
Why would Donnie Baseball be a bad choice for manager?
I’m not sure we know enough about Mattingly’s management style to say he is CLEARLY the best choice. He may be great, he may not.
Right now, Girardi has a track record you can look at and Mattingly does not. I think that would give Girardi the edge.
One serious note regarding Clay. He was great last night, and he has awesome secondary pitches(curve and change) but his fastball command is inconsistent. He is also prone the homerun. Prior to his injury, these are things you could never have said about Phil Hughes.
…to say Giradi is CLEARLY..
Maybe Giambi’s inability to stay healthy was not so much playing 1st on a regular basis, but of being too heavy. He’s definitely a lot slimmer now.
hmmm – No question…With the way they are both playing right now, we do need both Damon and Giambi in there as much as possible. Perhaps I’m just gun-shy about Giambi playing first (in “must-win” games, which they are all going to be from here on out) because I remember all the times he has butchered plays for the Yanks since he has been here.
“hmm”: Do you honestly care that much if this team’s 1B has as much power as Tino Martinez? The Yankees needed power at 1b during the “glory” years because they didn’t have a power hitter anywhere else in the lineup, except Strawberry/Fielder at DH and the occasional pop from O’Neill and Williams.
This team has HR pop from virtually every position on the field (except perhaps Jeter and Melky). Do you really need 6 sluggers in the lineup to win ballgames? Really?
I can’t understand this “rule” that the corner infielders are “required” to hit a certain amount of HR’s per season. Why?
“Why would Donnie Baseball be a bad choice for manager?”
It’s nothing against Don Mattingly. It’s more that Girardi was a catcher here, he was a Bench Coach here, and most importantly he has experience as a manger already.
Some people think the Yankees and Don Mattingly had a back room handshake about the job, I’m really hoping that’s not true.
Re: Giambi’s new svelte figure…Getting off ‘roids will inevitably make you shrink (i.e. “look slimmer”).
Yes, the Red Sox think highly of Kei Igawa, according to an official from an American League club, and they would love the opportunity to put a third Japanese pitcher on their roster.
New York Newsday
Anyone who thinks highly of the kei-man needs to get their head examined.
hmmm
Over the last 10 games:
Giambi:
AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB .AVG
31 1 5 1 2 0 9 0 .161
Phillips:
AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG
26 2 9 0 3 3 3 0 .346
I like Giambi but you know there is something wrong with him when Andy Phillips has more walks than he does.
OK, I know Girardi has a much better managerial resume at this point, so he is the obvious choice. However, I have the feeling (don’t know exactly why…just a gut thing, I guess) that Donnie could make a pretty good manager himself one day.
Let’s put it this way…If Donnie was named the successor to Torre, I’m sure we all (as devoted Yankee fans) would be happy for him and root for him to do well, right?
SJ,
Good note on Girardi.
In fact, he is one manager Posada and Mo would not mind replacing Torre as they both like Girardi from thier playing days together. Griradi was a mentor to Posada.
“I can’t understand this “ruleâ€? that the corner infielders are “requiredâ€? to hit a certain amount of HR’s per season. Why?”
Andy Phillips has TWO HRs. TWO. in about 200 Plate Appearances. that means about SIX HRs for a whole season.
do you really not see how getting 6 HRs from your starting 1Bman is unacceptable and costs your team wins?
Girardi would be a terrible choice for our next manager. He couldn’t deal with the front office in Florida and badly abused their young pitchers leading to injury. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near Joba, Phil, or Ian.
The Marlins last year were a product of Larry Beinfest, not Joe Girardi.
“In fact, his is one manager Posada and Mo would not mind replacing Torre”
Did they say this somewhere?
“Girardi was a mentor to Posada.”
It is interesting to note, however, that Posada only made a huge jump in performance after Tony Pena took him under his wing.
i don’t like girardi, i wouldn’t be able to stand looking at him for 162 games managing the yankees, he annoys me.
“It is interesting to note, however, that Posada only made a huge jump in performance after Tony Pena took him under his wing.”
yeah, Posada was pretty good last year, but seems to have given it all back this year.
as awesome as he has been at the plate this year, he hasn’t been very good behind it.
“I can’t understand this “ruleâ€? that the corner infielders are “requiredâ€? to hit a certain amount of HR’s per season. Why?”
It’s called the defensive spectrum. As you move down the spectrum fielding becomes far less important because just about anyone can do it, so you need to be able to hit.
DH – 1B – LF – RF – 3B – CF – 2B – SS – C
hmmm – I guess it’s either one or the other (i.e. either defense or offense) with Posada…You can’t have both at the same time! We Yankee fans are too greedy!!
dontfirecash,
I think a lot of people here gave up too soon on Igawa.
He does have the ability to get people out and “swing and miss”. It was also a culture shock. Be honest with yourself, wouldn’t you have a little more patience with him if we had a healthy Pavano part of a strong 4 man rotation with Kei as the “weak link”? If we had a decent bullpen or a healthy Damon or a shadow of Abreu now? We had so many other things go wrong and when Kei wasn’t the “answer” he incurred the wrath of the fans.
He’s got potential as he demonstrated when he shut out Boston. He’s still a Yankee and I’ll reserve judgement until he’s gone.
O.K. off my high horse and on to laptop jokes.
All right Yanks, 27-0 in September! Who’s with me?
“Girardi would be a terrible choice for our next manager. He couldn’t deal with the front office in Florida and badly abused their young pitchers leading to injury. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near Joba, Phil, or Ian.
The Marlins last year were a product of Larry Beinfest, not Joe Girardi.”
1) Do you have anything to back that up? Girardi has a quicker hook than Torre!
2) Marlins are 18 games under right now.
Teams can absorb less hitting from one of the so-called power positions, if they are getting above-average production from other positions on the field. It is not as simple as the “defensive spectrum.”
“i don’t like girardi, i wouldn’t be able to stand looking at him”
Well, no one’s asking you to marry the man (or sleep with him)… Besides, his wife seems to like him just fine!
BTW – I can’t stand the mugs on any of the Red Sox players, but I don’t hate them for their ugliness. Rather I pity them… To look at Kevin Youkilis is to realize why lions eat their young!
The team has to win it all for Torre to be back next year. Sad, but true.
Donnie has the edge over Girardi at this point. Something about being house is 9/10ths of the law.
Torre would have another managing job the day after he clears the green tea out of his office. They would just have bullpen “rules” for him to follow.
Play ball!
“1) Do you have anything to back that up? Girardi has a quicker hook than Torre!”
From the 2006 Marlins staff, Anibal Sanchez needed surgery in June for a torn labrum, Josh Johnson went for Tommy John surgery earlier this month, Ricky Nolasco has missed most of the year with elbow inflammation, and Scott Olsen and Dontrelle Willis have performed far worse this year than last year
I’d like to see Cano’s bat heat up again… Hopefully starting today!
“Teams can absorb less hitting from one of the so-called power positions, if they are getting above-average production from other positions on the field. It is not as simple as the “defensive spectrum.â€?
sure, that’s true. and yet the difference between a good fielding 1Bman and a poor fielding 1Bman just isn’t that large because of the nature of the position.
i mean, you guys have been arguing for *weeks* that playing Betemit or Giambi at 1B was DEFINITELY going to cost the yankees games and yet i just haven’t seen it. either one of those guys seems to be playing the position adequately.
certainly well enough to cover the gaping chasm between the offensive production of Jason Giambi and Andy Phillips, their last 30 ABs notwithstanding.
also, i think it’s fine that Phillips gets the start with Pettitte on the mound, since he gets a lot of ground balls when he is on.
i’m not anti-phillips. just think he shouldn’t be the “everyday” starter.
If Torre is forced out and Mattingly were manager and he kept on Bowa and Pena (if they don’t become managers somewhere else) I wouldn’t object to it. I think the Yankee coaching staff is the best they have had in years and there’s an enthusiasm there with the whole group.
If Mattingly came in and wanted his own coaches and brought in guys he played with, I think it would be a recipe for disaster. We don’t need Roy Smalley, Butch Wynegar and Dale Berra in the clubhouse guiding the young guys, lol.
There’s a level of professionalism brought by Bowa, Pena, Kerrigan that is respectful to the veterans and influential to the younger guys.
Personally, I’d like to see Torre go out on his own terms. I think he’s done an amazing job keeping this team from falling into an abyss several times this season when the media and the fans (myself included) have shouted that the sky is falling and the season is over.
If Torre has to go, Girardi though is my first choice. He’s a stand up guy, he’s smart and he would command respect of the vets and the young guys alike. I think we’d see a different brand of in game strategy from Girardi than we’ve see with Torre and I think that kind of aggressiveness/scrappiness is something this team could use in the future if they are getting away from signing all stars at every position.
And for the record, that no hitter will be the highlight of the Red Sox season…
“Teams can absorb less hitting from one of the so-called power positions, if they are getting above-average production from other positions on the field. It is not as simple as the “defensive spectrum.â€?”
This logic makes ZERO SENSE, yet you hear it from people all the time. By not having a power hitter at a power hitting position the Yankees give away the advantage they gain by having strong hitters at defensive positions. There is no benefit gained from having a light hitting 1B just because we have a slugging second baseman.
It will be interesting to see what kind of bat Iwamura brings with him to the plate today. (Of course, I can’t actually watch the game on TV so I won’t know!)
Let’s hope the no hitter is the highlight of the Red Sox season.
GAME ON!
Nice way to start a game!
That’s right, Andy, pound that strike zone!
Doesn’t matter what kind of bat you use when you can’t hit the ball!
“I think we’d see a different brand of in game strategy from Girardi than we’ve see with Torre and I think that kind of aggressiveness/scrappiness is something this team could use in the future if they are getting away from signing all stars at every position.”
So you want to try to not win games?
What we need is a puppet manager like Francona and let Cashman pull the strings.
And dude, I’m totally for Ken Singleton and Bobby Murcer as the regular play by play guys.
Adam September 2nd, 2007 at 1:05 pm
“1) Do you have anything to back that up? Girardi has a quicker hook than Torre!�
From the 2006 Marlins staff, Anibal Sanchez needed surgery in June for a torn labrum, Josh Johnson went for Tommy John surgery earlier this month, Ricky Nolasco has missed most of the year with elbow inflammation, and Scott Olsen and Dontrelle Willis have performed far worse this year than last year
SJ44 September 2nd, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Sanchez didn’t have TJ Surgery. He had shoulder surgery. His second one, BTW. He has torn his labrum twice. Once when he was in the Red Sox system and once this year in Florida.
Josh Johnson had TJ Surgery. He also had a bad elbow prior to the Marlins acquiring him.
If you look at the pitch counts of ALL their young pitchers, they are actually LOWER than average for starters in the NL last year.
That’s the problem with “hit and run� attacks on Girardi and his work in Florida. Its often inaccurate.
Rebecca – Adding a little Jim Kaat to the mix would be nice, too! (I know, he’s gone now, but I can dream!)
Ugh, Melky, why?
You have to catch that Leche
Adam, calm down. It does make sense and has been shown statistically to be true. Read Moneyball and there are examples of it in the book. I’m not advocating for Phillips or anyone.
People say it all of the time because it is true. If you have a 2B who hits 40 home runs, you would be more apt to tolerate a 1B or DH with little power. No team wants to have a light-hitting 1B, but it can be tolerated if you have better production at the spots that are traditionally defensive-minded. Sadly we can’t have A-Rod like offense at every position, or we would.
Milk dud sucks.
Cocos better.
Deal with it
Ouch…That Carlos Pena is kind of good, eh? Too bad we didn’t keep him!
that ball just kept going.
Crisp blows…and he looks like a retarded monkey. Deal with it…
Wow it looks like the ball is really carrying today because that one has some serious lift to it.
Melky redeems himself.
Hey, I know this is kind of like blasphemy, but Pettitte for MVP?
Pettitte picked Melky up! Or did Melky pick himself up?
Coco’s better? I won’t even dignify that with a response.
Rebecca – You mean Yankee MVP, right?
Don’t worry about him, he’s just trying to stir us up.
How can you take seriously any baseball player who was named after a breakfast cereal? Come on now, let’s be reasonable…
Chicago Dave,
Coco’s AB’s are rather comical when he rests his chin on his shoulder and scrunches his face.
And what’s with Lugo? If looks could kill, there’d be no AL pitchers left.
“Best Team in BB” is back! (Although he’s too much of a girlie-man to use his original name.)
Pettitte was not good in the first half, and while he’s been a lot better so far in the second, he’s had some luck, too.
Can you believe that Carl Pavano was our opening day starter this year???
From today’s NY Post:
Carl Pavano is signed with the Yankees through next season, but you would have a better chance of seeing George Steinbrenner on “Dancing with the Stars” than Pavano rehabilitating after Tommy John surgery at a Yankee complex.
“He’s rehabbing at home,” GM Brian Cashman said. When told that it was odd to owe a player more than $14 million still and have his rights through next year, but yet not have him doing his rehab work under the club’s auspices, Cashman said, “Our doctors and trainers are aware of his rehab program.”
It is obvious Pavano will not be in spring training with the Yanks next year. The most likely scenario has the Yanks simply outrighting him this winter as a way to clear a 40-man roster spot since they do not expect him to ever pitch for the organization again anyway.
Cocos so much better it isnt funny, anyways, milk dud, and Robby canoe suck in day games, as they party all night, then they go home to their wittle mummies, and get tucked into bed, they live with their mummies, wahhhh.
Nice K damon.
Hey I heard that -Phil franchise- Clay Buchholz pitched a no hitter last night? wow~
Petite had a sub 3 ERA for most of the first half, so I’m not quite sure what you(populoso) mean by that comment.
“Milk dud sucks.
Cocos better.”
sure.
Melky – 23 OPS+ 109
Coco – 27 OPS+ 86
let me know when Coco becomes an average hitter.
also, you traded Renteria to get Coco.
Renteria – OPS+ 131
Lugo – OPS+ 67
the joke’s on you.
OK, Jason Hammel sucks… Let’s not make him look like Cy Young today!
“That’s the problem with “hit and runâ€? attacks on Girardi and his work in Florida. Its often inaccurate.”
Fine, I’m sure you’ll love it when Joba gets brought back in after an 82 minute rain delay.
If we make the playoffs, gotta keep Torre… best way to keep our best players.
Willis threw 13 less innings under Girardi but had a higher ERA.
Perhaps it was the 25 games where at age of 23 he thew more than 101 pitches. Thus why Chamberlain rules exist, Hughes was coddled and Kennedy just showed up.
To say Girardi abused pitchers is not accurate. The damage prior to Girardi showing up would have to be known. Just like the next President getting credit for a bad economy when the preceding President already set the bad wheels in motion.
Pettitte’s been as solid as a rock all season except for those two starts back to back against the A’s and Angels. If he would have had a little better luck in April and May he could have easily been a Cy Young candidate. Somebody hit the ball please!
Yes, he was good in May, but he was the opposite of good in June and some of July.
Nice hit by Bobby!
Ahhh…Now that’s more like it!
“Pettitte was not good in the first half, and while he’s been a lot better so far in the second, he’s had some luck, too.”
This doesn’t make ANY sense. He was quite good in the first half and suffered from bad luck; he should have had about 4-5 more wins. He’s been even better in the 2nd half and pretty much great all year, save for a rough 2-3 week stretch around the ASB.
A two-bagger for Bobby!! Let’s go A-Rod!!
Any base hit will do here, Alex.
Anywho…yay, a hit!
A-Rod, just based on sheer numbers, gets my vote for MVP.
One thing I learned yesterday… Don’t even bother to reply to Sux fans. They are only here to talk ridiculous nonsense and distract you from watching the game. Trying to have a well-reasoned, logical discussion with any of them is like reading Shakespeare to a pig – an utterly pointless exercise and a complete waste of time!
Weaver pitching for Seattle = Good news for Yankees fans.
Aww, Arod!
Anyway, just try to think, for a moment where the Yankees would be without Pettitte this year.
Just think of all those wins after losses Pettitte has.
Yea, if he’s not the Yankees MVP this year…
ARod might seem more obvious, but good pitching will always beat good hitting.
I v0te for Arod also!
Rebecca, I agree with your last statement. But how can you choose between Wang and Pettitte?
P.S. – Bobby needs to have an impromptu meeting with the other Yankee hitters and make them realize that they guy on the mound is not Johan Santana.
Jason Hammel who is 1-4 with a 7.30 era whiff’s the entire side around an Abreu double.
Pettitte better have his game on.
Mr Ed is in love with Horsey Face Andy, true equine love.
It’s hard to compare a pitcher to a hitter, but both A-Rod and Pettitte have been of absolutely paramount importance to the team this year. They are both MVPs in my eyes!
nuff said
Buchholz,
Why are the RedSox so down on Mike Lowell, what else do you guys want to guy to do?
Phil–Because Andy continually pitches after losses.
You can’t have a Pettitte game without a pick off.
Vintage Andy pickoff…Nice!!!
Aaaaahhhhh Andy’s pickoffs own my soul!!!
You can’t wander off of first against Andy!!
Andy Pettite, master of the balk, never called, he has a special relationship with yankee Bob watson, another horse lover.
W-i-i-il-b-u-r-r-r-rrrrrrrr
Fine, I’m sure you’ll love it when Joba gets brought back in after an 82 minute rain delay.
As opposed to the over use of Quantrill, Vizciano, Proctor, Gordon, Villone, and on and on….
a couple of incidents does not make for a foundation of fact. Who is responsible then for the breakdowns of Pavano, Beckett, Penny, Burnett – the same wonderful four that schooled the Yankees in 2003? If they were abused prior to inheriting them, pitched less innings, came in one game after an 82 minute rain delay, it would be the current managers fault?
All I am saying is that one season of managing inherited players, (1) have previous injury track records, (2) known injuries at the time the team gets them, does not provide for concrete data of a managers inability to handle a pitching staff. Torre’s history with relievers he falls in love with and over uses, like names above, would be evidence of the need of Joba Rules.
Nice 1-2-3.
No more Ks against Hammel! The guy isn’t even a strikeout pitcher!!
I hope Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba are watching the way Pettite is pitching. Oh yeah, Moose should be watching too.
Just curious, has there been a single day on here without the Great Andy Phillips debate? The guy is a good platoon 1B. It would be nice to get Giambi in there as much as possible but he needs days off. We won with Scott Brosius right? As long as the Yanks are winning games, I’m willing to trust Joe’s musical chairs in the field.
i love andy
Matsui, after a bad slump, has rebounded nicely to get to .300 with 23 HR and 91 RBI for the year so far.
not phillips… pettitte
Hear ye, hear ye, all you New Yorkers with Time-Warner Cable…….
MLB Extra Innings just introduced a truncated package for their service called, “The Pennant Race”
For $59.00 you can watch all the out of market games. If you can afford it, it’s well worth the money. (That’s about as much as I spend on beer and chicken fingers during a single game at the Stadium.)
I ordered it last night and caught Bucholz’s no-hitter. It makes keeping an eye on Boston, Seattle, and Detroit simultaneously much easier than via mlb.com or sopcast.
Would that I could watch my Miami Dolphins so easily.
Nice working the count full by Matsui, let’s see if he does anything with it!
Strong wrists on ya boy, keep on that path of onanism
…like that!
Chicago Dave -
Only one response is necessary for a Sux fan, ignorance is bliss.
Nice job Hideki!!
Nice AB Matsui!
Nice, Matsui!
Excellent AB. Worked the count from 0-2 back to 3-2 and then got the base knock. That’s what we need!
Phillips
Season OPS .712
August OPS .603
Not good.
And Posada with the follow through!
Chance for Cano to do some real damage.
Nice hit Matsui… Basic of hitting, go with the pitch and try not to pull everything…
Yes, this is the real Jason Hammell…
The Sox should give Buchholz number 29 next year.
efficiency for the win
BTW, Toronto up 1-0 in the second. My brother says AJ Burnett is killing the Mariners, but it’s still early.
cano got lucky
We need to take advantage with one of our guys on our top secret payroll(Weaver)on the mound. It is a guaranteed loss,thus cabapable of added an extra game lead.
WE MUST WIN!!
Robby not really busting it down the line. I’d consider giving him a day off if he is too tired to hustle after hitting into another rally-killing GIDP.
Andy Phillips, WHY?
Toronto up 3-0
Peter,
I just came from having brunch. One more comment about Girardi.The Marlins did not like his use of YOUNG PITCHERS. He had no common sense at all. Josh Johnson is still paying for Giraldi overuse of Johnson. i dont think Girardi is a good candidate for Yankee Mng. given the high number of young yankee pitchers.
Toronto up 3-0
Trade Phillips to the Marlins for a bag of Doritos.
buchholz eleven crew – where you from?
Andy Phillips has no plan at the plate other thank hacking early in the count. He is one dimensional and that one dimension is bad- slap hitting singles.
argh! 0-3 w/ RISP.
Seattle down 3-0.
I could run faster than Cano backwards.
africa, a big oceans 11 fan
Ed FL – did you read any of hte earlier posts about Girardi? I dont think its likely that Girardi is to blame for the FL pitchers’ injuries. Possible maybe but it doesn’t seem likely.
“Andy Phillips has no plan at the plate.”
Clearly you have sat in on his pre-game work with Kevin Long and Don Mattingly in the cage.
does anybody know the farthest back the Yankees were in the wildcard earlier this season? 10?
@$@#$.
Besides, by placing the blame on Girardi for the friction he had with the Marlins owner, we’re implying that the Marlins owner is more skilled and competent in various aspects of baseball than Girardi is. Are we sure this is the case??
why does Navarro hit half of his HR against the yankees?
RATS!
10 or 9 sounds about right
Dammit!! Andy needs some run support!!!
Ok, now we really better score some runs.
I am starting to get a bad feeling about this game. If Hammels pulls another Sonenstine on us I’m going to barf. I dont care how good his F.B or C.B. is someone that has a 1 and 4 record with a 7.33 era. we should be able to spank around quite a bit.
jeezus- Kee-rist!
Navarro is paying us back for trading him away.
Uh oh !!!! …..hang onto your laptop. Sticky fingers could be lurking.
Well at least he got 1st pitch outs on the next 2 batters. Can’t ask for much more than that after a mistake pitch.
Now let’s get him some run support!!
damon was close
An f’in toad with a .211 BA homers off us… good grief.
Hammel is not going to pull a Sonnanstine. Sonnanstine came in pitching well (shut down the Sox prior to the Yanks). Hammel has been getting killed. It’s only a matter of time before the Yanks beat him up.
Lead off man on, let’s bring him round to score.
Melky is deceptively fast. He’s just so tubby.
Hammel in August – 25 innings pitched, 27 ER
Baserunners, baserunners, and more baserunners. Have no mercy.
Reality is going to set in for Hammel soon enough.
An angry Johnny is a good Johnny. Let’s go.
mel–Don’t you know it’s just baby fat?
Props to Adam. Even if Giradi learned from his bad experience in dealing with the front office and the South Florida media, he’s still too green to be given the keys to the kingdom.
If he’s such a good broadcaster, let him stay there; I’m watching the Tampa feed and suffering through the utltra-pukey DeWayne Staats and Joe Migraine. It’s almost as bad as watching the WGN-White Sox games with that idiot Harrelson and his sidekick, Wimpy (or Dopey. Whatever.)
And as much as I love Donny Baseball, he’s an unknown quantity as a manager.
I hear LaRussa’s contract is up this year…
Melky has his Mom’s home cooking to go home to every night.
Let’s go Johnny… nice AB
Weaver getting himself in trouble again in the 3rd…. can you believe it could be 9 straight for Seattle? I almost feel bad for them.
Right, Jeter, single up the middle to bring home Melky!
off-topic comment here:
i’m “watching” this game on Gameday. It’s like coming around full circle. I used to listen to Les Keiter on radio doing recreations of west coast games back in the fifties. this is just about the same technology. something happens on field and the tickertape lets you know about it. small planet.
if Melky doesn’t run there, I don’t think Damon K’s… it def looked like he was distracted
man those seattle boys sure are streaky huh
It would save time if the Yankees would just start every AB at 0-2.
seattle sure if streaky and apparently they dont like playing the good teams.
Ugh, Jeter, horrible AB.
is*
He is already on his way to eclipse his major leading least inning’s per start witch is around 4. BTW 5 K’s in the game to boot.
lol Nick
well that blew. Come on Bobby!!
1 3-run jack from Arod and we’ll be fine
Jesus, how many Ks does Hammels have now?
two whiffs for damon and the capt… not a good day so far.
the higher the ERA the better the pitcher right? cuz anything under 6 we can handle but these guys with an era of 6 plus are amazing
what is going on here?
UGH!
Why did our offense decided to take today off again? I’m getting really pissed off.
i hate mediocre players that turn into cy young and babe ruth whenever they play the yankees.
another inning where everyone K’s around a hit. This is going to be a crappy game.
Jesus Christ!
come on!
6 f’in strikeouts in 3 innings. Holy crap.
5-0 Toronto. gotta win this game.
I second that, Boston Dave. What is going on???
IF it wasnt bad enough watching Hammel mow down the Yanks, I have to watch another Giuseppe Franco commerical. salt in the wounds…
I don’t believe this. The Yankees are making him look like Johan Santana.
gaaaaaah whyyy? 2 terrible ABs there.
This guy is not pitching like Sonnanstine though…have patience we will break through!
Weaver holding up his end of the bargain.
seattle down now 5-0
not the way these guys are swinging. Nobody needs a fan in the stadium today.
Hammel is 2 K’s away from his season high which happened on his first appearance of the year on June 13. And that took him 6.2 innings.
IT’s early, but I’m having flashbacks to the gems Andy threw early in the season but lost 1-0 or 2-0.
Is it just me or do the Yankees advanced scouts suck? How many young (unseen by the Yankees) pitchers are going to continue to beat up on the Yankees?
hey, his name is giuseppe franco… and he ain’t putting his name on the line for something that don’t work
Well, this game is driving me nuts…Can’t stand to sit here and watch a crap pitcher blow away this sleeping offense the rest of the afternoon!
Needless to say, dropping 2 of 3 to the D-Rays after sweeping Boston isn’t exactly a good omen… If the Yanks don’t wake up soon Seattle is going to get well in a hury when they come to the Stadium. Ugghhh….
It’s not the scouts that are sucking at the moment.
The guy is pitching a good game but I for one do not think it will last. As the innings go by our guys will crush him, just you wait.
Guiseppe Franco: “The Yankees don’t own Jason Hammel. They don’t known anything about him.”
It’s not like they aren’t hitting him at all though. Just need to get the big hit and hopefully soon!!
1st and 2nd no one out left on base. 1 on no one out left on base in the third. 6 K’s. I think we’re under way to see another Sonenstine preformance. At least his PC is high.
I refuse to believe that a guy with over a 9ERA over the last month is going to keep this up. The Yankees need to pull their heads out of their …..
How come they can hit James Shields?
the way Pettite is going, they may need to play some small ball and bunt the guys on 1st and 2nd and no outs over. at least that would keep them out of the DP.
The annoying part is that Pettitte isn’t even pitching poorly!
Now would be a great time for the Yankee offense to show up!
The Yankees have faced Hammel before. He pitched in the first game of the double header in July that Desalvo started. They need to get him to throw more pitches as he’s worked out of the bullpen this year and they’re careful with his pitch count.
From the Boston.com (Globe) game blog:
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Alex Cora, SS
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Mike Lowell, 3B
5. J.D. Drew, RF
6. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
7. Brandon Moss, LF
8. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
9. Kevin Cash, C
Not quite the optimum. If they don’t pitch, they are in deep trouble.
6k’s in 3 innings against the yankees is riduclous
Pettite is pitching WELL. Cannot let this game slip.
Baltimore better make up for that debacle last night and rip Lester.
Other notes from pregame:
Eric Gagne’s shoulder has been a little tender, and “for the next couple of days you might not see Gagne,” according to Mr. Francona. Seems he worked a little too hard in side sessions to regroup from his disastrous start with the Sox. Francona downplayed the injury, saying it wouldn’t be too long before Gagne is ready to be back.
Honestly, I’m more worried about Det than Sea. Det’s only 3 games back and in my opinion they have a better team.
man o man did i misspell ridiculous.
Bobcat, problem is the Sox somehow avoided both Bedard and Guthrie and get Daniel Cabrera today. They may not even need to swing their bats to score 6 runs.
gagne needs a shipment of hgh and he’ll be good to go
The Tigers definitely have a better team than the Mariners. I think Steve Phillips is the only person not attributing Seattle’s success to Mariners in the Outfield(copyright Disney).
Francona’s comments regarding Buchholz:
On how he’ll use Buchholz the rest of the season:
“There are some guildelines that have been in place about his innings through player development, which makes sense. For us to ignore that now that he gets here and throws a no-hitter wouldn’t be smart. Saying that, we’re trying to win. Theo and I were talking about it last night and we finally came to the conclusion, ‘You know what, let’s go home and talk about this tomorrow,’ because everybody was on Cloud 9 last night and that’s not a good way to make judgements. … But we do need to be practical about his usage because it’s still development and we’ll see. I really don’t know the answer to that right now.”
You know, Pettitte’s got quite a bunch of strike outs himself.
Daniel Cabrera is so inconsistent but when he’s on, he’s great. Let’s hope they get the Good Cabrera today!
Sounds like Buchholz Rules
Let’s get some runs. Our MVP is leading off the 4th!!
Ugh.
totally not the way to start the inning.
Yanks get to him this inning
“High fly ball…” ???
did anyone watch the Buchholz game? Was it a case of him being dominant or the O’s hitters sucking it up? Does it look he is something to be worried about (as a Yanks fan) ?
Damn, that was low.
Horrible.
BBB,
Are you talking about Cabrera’s past success against the Sox:
1-7, with a 8.39 era and a 2.14 whip and a .296 BA, or the 40/37 K/BB in 39.2 IP?
Actually, his one start this year against them was acceptable, so there is hope.
Good god this is frustrating!
Jose Contreras with a no hitter through 3
Buchholz was good. He should be good for several years, based on what he’s done so far in his career. That could be said about many, but he appears to be for real.
FOR F**KS SAKE!!!
Wow, I think I’m getting sick.
HOW ARE WE NOT SCORING ON THIS GUY?
Bobcat I was just talking about Cabrera in general. I’ve seen him be great and awful. Let’s hope it is the former today!
aaaaaauuuuuurrrgh
it was a bit of both concerning buchholz but i wonder if he would do the same against the angels or yankees, my answer is hell no.
BBB, agreed.
THIS IS GETTING STUPIDDDD!
Bobcat, 1 point for the Bad Cabrera
Getting dominated so far by the worst starting pitcher in the AL this season is pretty embarrassing.
Only thing more embarrassing would be losing a home series to Tampa Bay in September.
I hope these guys wake up. Its the wrong time of year to stop hitting.
Is Jeff Weaver still on the Yanks’ payroll? He’s pitching like it today.
Another quiet inning for the seeming punchless Yankees. My blood presure is going up by the inning. Does this team have a sense of urgency? Seattle is loosing and this is a great chance to create separation in the WC race and we cant seem to hit a bum of a pitcher. Pettitte is pitching beutifull so far and that might not hold up very much longer he needs some run support urgent.
buchholz eleven, it will be interesting to see how he does against a good offense but the Orioles arent terrible. I hope he gets a start against the Yanks but it doesnt seem likely.
as long as PEttite can keep it 1-0, Im not worried. 3-0 might be a problem the way it’s going.
The O’s have their AAA lineup in today:
1. Tike Redman, CF
2. Jay Payton, LF
3. Nick Markakis, RF
4. Miguel Tejada, SS
5. Kevin Millar, 1B
6. Aubrey Huff, DH
7. Melvin Mora, 3B
8. Ramon Hernandez, C
9. Freddie Bynum, 2B
a pitchers duel with 6.99 era hammel woooo!
Boston Dave the Orioles are terrible. Have you seen the lineup they are trotting out there now? They have like 4 regulars in the lineup
It’s kind of silly. If you’d told me we’d be facing Sonnanstine, Jackson, and Hammel, I definitely wouldn’t pick Jackson as the only guy we wouldn’t struggle against.
Do the Yankees really play badly against bad pitching or is it just me? If so, does anyone understand why?
2 on, 1 out for Boston against Cabrera… looking like he’ll have 90 pitches after 3.
“Is Jeff Weaver still on the Yanks’ payroll? He’s pitching like it today.”
CANT ANSWER THAT.ITS TOP SECRET.
Dont worry guys we will break through and win big.
bobcat and raymond, point taken.
Seattle manager got into a heated exhange on the mound when he pulled Weaver. The camera showed the manager him in the dugout afterwards kicking and cursing.
Remember two years ago when Mark Hendrickson was pitching like Cy Young anytime the Yankees faced the DRays? They seem to not hit scrub pitchers and there is no logical explanation for it.
its hubris
The Orioles are terrible. The Yankees are 4-8 against them this year. That’s one of the most amazing things about this baseball season.
How can the Yankees be 4-8 against a team that bad? They have six more games against the Orioles in September. They have to change their fate against them.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7182338
Here’s a good article by Kevin Hench from Fox sports today.
It’s pro Yankee for a change.
yanks are gonna need this game to stay 5 back. damn cabrera.
Carmine,
Agreed, it makes no sene. Edwin was pitching very well, so I figured the Yanks might struggle against him. Sonnastine and Hammel? Are you kidding me?
Looks like Bad Cabrera at Fenway.
SJ44, they keep facing Bedard and Guthrie who have pitched well… of course they still seem to bring the best out of the rest of the team (even Cabrera). they need to win those games.
Both pitchers are pitching good games. Don’t rag on the guys.. root for them to hit. Sitting here being frustrated because our guys have not hit him yet is ridiculous. If the Captain and ARod are flailing at his stuff let alone everyone else, he must have something going on. But our guys are good and will come around…Go Yanks!!!!
I’m going down to Camden Yards for the final series of the year. My first trip there. I’m excited about the trip, but preparing for a loss.
YEAH JOHNNY
It’s time for the Stadium crowd to get into this game – - BIG TIME. Rattle Hammel’s cage. Get the D-Ray bullpen cranking.
WOO HOO DAMON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny Damon just threw out a runner at home.
Who can tell me what’s wrong with the above sentence?
does bobby abreu go into games thinking, hey you know what, i think ill just fumble a ball in the 5th inning today for fun.
Johny Damon threw somone out? Unbelievable
am i taking crazy pills? did damon just get an outfield assist?
Never thought I’d see that!
Nice, Johnny D!!! Left field really suits his arm.
Wow, Johnny Damon threw somebody out???? Awesome!
That third base coach made Damon look like he had a cannon by sending Wilson on a hard hit ball to LF.
if johnny doesnt make a good throw there, I’d have to say he has the worst arm in baseball. of course the only reason they send the guy is because its damon.
Getting thrown out by Johnny Damon.
That has to be a mortal sin.
Something we never thought we’d hear this year:
“Johnny Damon throws out a runner at home”.
Now, we have seen everything this year! That’s rarer than a no hitter.
Come on, baby. Big inning, big inning.
That’s the perfect thing to energize the team!! Great job Johnny!!
the yankees [layeddown or up to the competition. they are 8 and 6 against the rays going into todays game………..
we need some damn runs
Can anyone tell me how shallow Damon was and where the runner was when he got the ball?
Damon Rox!!!!
cano is in one of his comas offensively.. way to take some pitches..
he is infuriating…
Aside from his 2 HR game, Robbie has really been sucking it up lately.
Weaver already pulled. SEattle might have a chance now.
I stepped out of the room for a minute…DAMON just threw a runner out at home?!?!?
OK we HAVE to take advantage of this!!!
rarer still is hammel pitching a shutout against a team like the yankees into the 5th
Cabrera walked one and struck out two, but only gave up one run in the first. That’s a positive start.
Are we not supposed to be relaying information on this blog without express written consent from the Yankees? I have implied oral consent, but now I’m nervous.
how many of you are cheering right now?
Johnny “The Arm” damon
Phillips didn’t like that much, but I’ll take my baserunners anyway I can get them today.
Bring on Mink!
Now maybe the Giambino will see more playing time.
“Weaver already pulled. SEattle might have a chance now.”
Crap that wasnt part of the aggreement.
Team – cannot hit… where is the offense?
Right wrist?
haha, how is he safe there? ill take it but he should have been out
LECHE! FINALLY! He was so due…
Nice running by Phillips making Tampa pay for the HBP!
That’s how you pick up your 3rd base coach.
phillips, hustle
Well I take that back. Giambi might have got thrown out at third on that hit. lol Dammit I love me some Melky!
Hell Yeah…andy is pissesd!
He was out.
Thank… GOD!
comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Melky’s on third, no? YES shows second.
He’s completely out
Damon with the big throw and Damon with the go ahead RBI????
Now that’s more like it!!
It’s the Melky and Linebacker Andy Show!
Baltimore FINALLY has a hit against Boston.
melky is on third but yeah, yes has 2nd
lol poor mercer still thinks any was out…
Murcer still thinks he was called out! Someone whisper in his headset.
I love Larry Bowa’s aggressiveness.
*andy
cmon Derek, that is WEAK
If the call was so close, why didn’t Madden argue? He stole A-Rod’s bat yesterday(and I agreed with that). I would’ve expected some life on such a close call.
No he was safe. He touched home before he was tagged.
Jeter’s doing his best for the golden sombrero right now. Hopefully, he’ll see the light.
Derek has looked so good lately… where did it go? He looks lost right now.
I can’t believe people here are actually hoping one of our players is hurt so that Giambi can play more.
There is no way Giambi is even at 3 on that play.
I think he was safe also. You would’ve seen more argument from both Navarro and Madden otherwise.
That pitch was nowhere near Jeter
Derek, you are in a playoff race.
Ugh. Two chances to drive the run in from third and we miss both?
C’mon Bobby!
If I see Jeter swing at another pitch that’s at his eyes I’m gonna scream.
Damn Hammel has taken care of Jeter today.
Terrible job by our captain.
Oh, captain. Big letdown.
Did you guys see the replay Andy pushed Navarro right off the plate.
The Yes network is doing a dreadful job of late. They routinely have the wrong number of outs recorded, and men on the wrong bases. Further, their announcers don’t seem to understand basic umpire hand motions.
BJ
0-2 count. Shocking.
jeter wtf son
Could be worse, you could have to be listening to the Devil Rays announcers like me *suicide*
Phillips scores!!!!
well, good thing Hammel won’t last long and they can get into the bullpen. this is UGLY.
UGH!
That was our inning, and we completley missed it.
could see that bobby strike out a mile away
Pitiful AB’s by Jeter and Abreu.
This is pathetic. It is Jason freakin Hammel for God’s sake.
aaaauuurrrrgh again, 2 terrible ABs by Jeter and Abreu. At least we tied it up and bumped up his pitch count though.
i guess sometimes, the other guys do play well. but why against the yankees
who does the games for the drays?
Staatz and mcgraine?
abreu takes too many strikes, pitchers are like ok he never swings at the first 10 pitches so ill just throw them all in the zone.
Hopefully just one more inning for Cy Hammel. Or less than one.
Come on Andy and hold them down. A-Rod will untie it in the 6th!
BR I’m not wishing for Andy to get hurt. However if the HBP did hurt him we would see more of Giambi which isn’t a bad thing is it? Why does Torre hate Giambi anyway?
i can hear the cheers coming from this blog
Sorry guys, Andy was safe. Navarro never tagged him, instead taking the throw and letting the runner slide into him. Plus he never had complete control of the ball, trapped against his body. Correct call by the ump.
betemit?
If the Yankees drove in the two men on third with less than 2 outs, the score would be 3-1. But since it is Pettite on the mound, the offense decides to take a day off again.
You are supposed to be rooting for our guys and ragging on the rays…
Why did Betemit come in for Phillips?
nj,,,, so right about the drays, announcers, its killing me.
By the way, for those still interested in debating whether Joba threw at Youklis.
While it’s probably one of those question which we never will be able to answer definitively, I offer the following fascinating stat, Newday’s Ken Davidoff, in an article he wrote in April, following the Proctor-Youklis brouhaha.
“Since the start of the 2000 season, a Red Sox pitcher has been far more likely to hit a Yankees batter with a pitch than the other way around. Entering tonight’s Red Sox-Yankees game at Yankee Stadium, Boston pitchers have hit 80 Yankees hitters with pitches and Yankees pitchers have hit Red Sox hitters only 48 times, according to research conducted by STATS Inc.
Jason Giambi has been hit 14 times in 355 plate appearances Derek Jeter 12 times in 551 appearances
David Ortiz has been hit zero times in 327 appearances”
So did Joba throw at Youklis?
I certainly hope so.
Torre doesn’t hate Giambi.
UGH
UGH! need a dp…
Yanks seem tired. A Rod was at the Open all night, Jeter was crying all night about Michigan, Philips and Joba were making fun of Jeter all night… they look like they’ve never seen a curve ball before.
Great, a walking double.
Another K on a ball in the dirt. That part of the Yankee offense has been back for the last 10 days.
7 k’s in 5 innings to the worst starting pitcher in the AL.
Absent a couple of innings yesterday, the offense has been cold for most of the week.
Getting dominated by Andy Sonnestine and Jason Hammel is not what you need if you want to make the playoffs.
This inning couldn’t have started any worse.
Kill Schilling – then Joba should have drilled Youk in the ribs. no point in throwing over his head. That just sets up the Sox to feel justified in drilling the Yanks even more and Joba didnt even do any damage.
Betemit is wearing the old-school flip-down sunglasses.
@#*()%$&%*&*%@*#$%)*(@#&$
Okay, I’m @$#@$@# pissed off.
that wasnt Wilson’s fault
You know that Giambi makes that play.
great defensive replacment. anyone missing miggy?
Awesome! Jesus if we lose this game I am going to go insane.
rover – he wasnt a defensive replacement and it wasnt betemit’s fault
it hit crawfords foot!
Pettitte does his best Farnsworth impression and this tie game will evaporate shortly.
I guess this team thinks they can continue to lose series to the DRays and think they are going to make the playoffs.
Just another flat game for this team.
Its why so many of us have a hard time trusting this team.
Just when you think they take a step forward, they take two steps back.
They have to find a way to win this game. They lose this series, they have no excuses. Its just completely unacceptable.
This is all my fault wishing Giambi would get more playing time.
andy needs a K here
no you wouldn’t see more of Giambi, you would probably see more of Doug or Betemit. and Giambi playing over Andy right now may not be the best thing.
Between Singleton, Murcer, and the scoreboard, there is always some malfunction.
God fuc*ing damnit.
Great.
I’m f***ing pissed.
torre needs to bring some teki latex techno into the clubhouse and wake these mothafu**as up
Down one.
Two walks to lead off a time game in the sixth. C’mon Andy, get out of this 2-1 because the bats don’t have much comeback life in them today.
BR Giambi sees more pitches than Andy and has way more power than Andy. I think it would be a huge upgrade offensively and pretty much negates whatever so called “great” defense you lose.
BBB
Betemit gave in for Phillips because Phillips may have hurt his right hand.
How do we lose to the f***ing Devil Rays?!
We’re supposed to own this team.
Two walks, a stolen base, an error, and they can’t beat a last place team. April/May Yankee Baseball is back.
Try to keep give up only one run this inning and pray the offense wakes up.
Just an awful, awful peformance this weekend so far from this team.
Phillips seriously hurt?
F me. This blows.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! I am so pissed off right now I can’t even describe it.
Hold them here and get into the D-Rays bullpen in the bottom half of the inning and we will be ok.
Jeter, Phillips, that was how you drive in the runner on third with less than two outs. Ugh.
Yanks need to get through this inning unscathed and the balance will tip strongly in our favor as we have Joba waiting. Look for the yanks to start scoring in bunches as we get to their bullpen.
Petitte has put together another strong start.
Phillips has two nice slides into home in two days. Aside from timely hitting, perfect defense, he is making noise on the basepaths. I’m glad Torre is going to him the majority of the time as he clearly should be considered our starting first baseman.
BJ
If you wanted a roller coaster ride, it would have been a good day to head for Brooklyn and Coney Island.
Yankees are gonna go down 123 again next inning. They’re looking forward to Seattle.
Some of you guys are crazy. Talking crap about Jeter and everything. Sometimes pitchers just make their pitches. Yes it was bad he couldn’t get the run in but come on. Look at what he is done and you act like he is garbage. You’re probably all the same idiots who were booing A-Rod last year and even on opening day when he missed the pop up.
Why does this get worse and worse?
I can understand the letdown Friday night to a degree…However this game should have been a gimmie….
oh god oh god oh god.
Can someone tell pettite that we arent scoring 7 runs today.
Can’t stay with Pettitte here. With a dead offense, another run or two given up, its game over.
Just call it day and hope the bullpen can do its job.
Wrong move keeping Pettitte in to face Harris.
As I say that, he gives up another hit and this inning is getting away from.
Andy is entitled to a stinker outing. He’s been great.
The offense? It should be embarrassed to be dominated by such a crap pitching staff.
I feel like banging my head against my computer screen.
0 for 8 with RISP… That was a badthrow from Pettitte no one catches it..
Pettitte needs to stop it here, please
Well put NJ
I still think the Yankees are going to win. And as far as Andy Phillips over Giambi please give me a break. A player with a .323 OBP or therebouts is not valuable especially if he’s a first baseman.
The shouldn’t have let Pettitte know that August was over.
DP coming up?
(I truly hope this blog gets a registration piece.)
Yanks Rule, hopefully he is not hurt too badly and was taken out just to be safe.
And the whinefest begins.
Melky has mor RBI’s then Jeter!!!!!!!!!!
even the crowd is dead today. and john sterling is having a hard time filling up the air. yankee empire seems lifeless today. we need a DP or two Ks to fire everyone up.
“This is an important part of the ballgame.” Thanks Kenny, thanks for waking up today.
SJ44 this is not a stinker outing from Pettite. So far he’s given up only 2 runs. Of course you are Mr. Negativity however.
J-Dawg,
If you end up breaking your screen, which I think I might do if TB scores, be sure to talk to Clay about a new computer.
HUGE strike out.
Big strikeout there. Come on, one more!!!!
At what point do the laptop jokes get old?
Stuart that means nothing. Jeter has the 4th highest avg. with RISP in the league. It’s all about opportunities to drive the runs in and over the course of the year Melky has had more.
Andy Pettite has HEART….
Nick- Andy has given up 2 in 6… what else do you want. the hitters simply aren’t hitting. but it’ll change in the late innings.
raymondmagnetic ,
I said right now, and that is because Andy is in the middle of a hott streak while Giambi in the middle of a slump.
seattle comming back 5-3, 1st and 2nd 2 outs 7th.
MUST WIN
Phil,
They never get old.
6 innings, 2 runs…not bad at all for a “stinker.”
“Just an awful, awful peformance this weekend so far from this team.”
“I can understand the letdown Friday night to a degree…However this game should have been a gimmie….”
“How do we lose to the f***ing Devil Rays?!
We’re supposed to own this team.”
This board isn’t exactly the model of equanimity and poise. You guys need to relax a little. Last time I checked the game is barely half over down by one. A little reactionary are we?
BJ
SJ44
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pm
“Can’t stay with Pettitte here. With a dead offense, another run or two given up, its game over.
Just call it day and hope the bullpen can do its job.
Wrong move keeping Pettitte in to face Harris.
As I say that, he gives up another hit and this inning is getting away from.
Andy is entitled to a stinker outing. He’s been great.”
I guess you were wrong. Admit it for once.
6 IP 2 ER
If that’s a “stinker”, then so be it.
out of the jam, we have Joba and Mo today. we just need some runs.
NIce work Pettitte.
Well done! Now the Yankees need to wake up and get some runs so Andy can get the win.
And Andy gets out of the mess. Brilliant work there. Absolutely brilliant.
BJ
Pettitte got lucky there, and it’d be really really nice for the offense to pick him up right here.
Like, with a four spot or something.
I love Andy, he’s such a warrior.
Look at how all of you idiots were reacting just a couple of posts up. Saying we need to pull Pettitte, yada yada yada…
That right there is what you have to LOVE about Pettitte. Way to get out of that jam. He has battled and given us a chance to win – let’s take it pleeeeease!!
Getting out of the jam there is Andy Pettitte at his best!! Let’s go offense!!
BJ – definitely agree…. however the Yanks have stunk it up for the first half. It’s just not what you would like to see from a team that needs to pick it up and make the playoffs. I def agree that the game is a long way from over and its no time to panic.
That has to pick the team up….
Pettitte got lucky? BS he made his pitches. You people are incredible.
OK…let’s pound this crappy pitcher…enough is enough !
It was brilliant work to get out of the jam, but he never should have been in that kind of jam in the first place.
BR perhaps if Torre played Giambi more he could get into a hot streak of his own, no? And a hot streak by Giambi undoubtedly means multiple homers and rbi’s I would have to imagine.
ARod needs to put one in the seats here.
104 pitches in 6 innings. Andy himself will tell you its not his best outing. That’s ok, it happens.
Wilson helped him swinging at that 3-1 pitch.
Andy grinded through it but, its not his best outing.
That said, this game is on the offense so far. Getting dominated by Hammel is inexcusable.
nice, Jon Lester has put on the first two men up in the 4th via walk. Let’s see if the O’s can put together at least one good inning.
And for the record, I would always take my chances letting Andy get out of his own jams. He is strong with men on base. Letting him finish that inning was indubitably the right move..now let’s pick him up!
drays announcers just obnoxious.
a-rod u want a new contract give us another reason right here… please
If the Yanks lose this game, sorry, they are not World Series championship caliber. You don’t lose 2 of 3 to the BACK END OF THE WORST TEAM IN THE A.L.
You get two singles and can’t even drive in a run with a man on 3B and 1 out?!! You get a h.b.p., a double, and a single, and you score only one run? You get embarrassed by a retread who hasn’t won a game i 17 starts? Where is this team’s collective mind?!! I swear they let down when they ride high (yesterday’s win/ 2 games up on Seattle). They and Seattle lose today, they’re still only 2 games up on Seattle who is due to snap their losing streak. You honestly think they’re getting swept by the Yanks? I doubt it. The law of averages says no way. I could see the Yanks going 2-1 vs. Seattle, but it could easily be 2-1 Seattle and then where are the Yanks? Back to ighting for their playoff lives against a measly game ahead of Seattle and why? CUZ THEY CAN’T GET IT TOGETHER MENTALLY TO PLAY THE FUC KING TAMPA DEVIL RAYS!!!
K.C.’s ace Brian Bannister is getting slapped around today, but considering his overall body of work, I don’t see it happening again. If the Yanks draw Gil Meche as well as Bannister, that K.C. series is no longer a gimme. Toronto is no joke either with Halladay, Marcum, Burnett, and McGowan.
Boston will not get swept again, so that series is at best 2-1 Yanks.
B.t.w. aside from Damon’s assist getting the guy out at home, the OF defense is garbage as usual. Cabrera looks like a deer in the headlights who belongs in RF, Abreu takes forever to get the ball out of the corner as usual cuz he’s too lazy to take extra OF practice to learn the caroms. He’s lucky Wilson didn’t go to 3B, Wilson cost them a run.
It’s only 2-1 but if the Yanks lose this game, they ought to be ashamed of themselves and think long and hard if they’re good enough to make the postseason cuz it doesn’t look like it. Getting owned by T.B. is disgraceful.
BAses Juiced – no outs for the O’s… lets go!
Umpire gave the HBP signal, wasn’t a walk.
o’s have bases loaded no outs
Andy’s pitched well enough to keep the Yankees in the game, but with the bases loaded one out? Yea, there’s little luck involved.
Good lead off walk. Let’s see if we can actually do anything about it.
wow this is a gift…theyre going to the pen??
Niiiiiice. Now we’re into the Tampa Bullpen. I say Yanks win, 7-3.
“It’s just not what you would like to see from a team that needs to pick it up and make the playoffs. I def agree that the game is a long way from over and its no time to panic.”
You are not going to play perfect baseball every single inning no matter how good a team is. This forum is infested with negativity and rash judgments based on a tiny sample size, I.E. two games.
The insight degrades when the posts become overcome by emotion.
The Yanks are the hottest team since the break and just swept ‘the best team’ in baseball in playoff caliber style. They lost one lousy game to Tampa.
Lets get a grip people.
As I type this, Tampa is going to the pen, one of the best signs of success I can think of. We take this game handily.
BJ
Hammel has given up at least 4 earned runs in his last five starts but today’s his birthday so maybe Yanks were being nice.
SJ,
blah, blah, blah
You said it was a stinker of an outing? I don’t care how he’s done it so far. 2 runs in 6 innings is just that and he’s not done yet. Just admit you were wrong, no big deal. Wilson helped him by swinging at a strike? You kill me sometimes, you’re the spinmaster. You do know your stuff, but come on.
I love Bobby Murcer. Ken Singleton is ok…but that’s why they have Michael Kay as their lead announcer. Kenny and Bobby often mistake or overlook calls. Today’s game has given us three or four examples. Bobby works best as a color man/analyst.
raymondmagnetic, I know what your saying, but Giambi isn’t even getting his walks lately. I don’t know what Joe is thinking putting Betemit in there, Giambi or Doug would have been much better.
No Killer Instinct – didnt Boston get beaten down by KC? teams have bad series.
I agree it’s bad, but its foolish for you to go on a rant like that about the season coming to an end.
To temper the negativity, Lester has em loaded with no out and Seattle is losing.
BJ
Maddon screwed up. Time to take advantage of it. Pound their bullpen with a vengeance. The crowd is far too quiet. Everybody hungover ???
damn the O’s suck.
meanwhile. the pitiful Orioles score ZERO runs after having em juiced with no outs.
Yeah I agree BR – I am pretty surprised we saw Betemit come in for AP rather than Doug.
Wilson helped him swinging at the 3-1 pitch. He’s the #8 hitter. You take that pitch and put the pressure on the pitcher at 3-2 with the bases loaded to make a pitch. We’ll take the break.
The problem with quoting “6 innings, 2 runs”, as if its the be all end all is, as with many of you statheads, it comes without context.
Score to tie the game, and he walks Crawford to leadoff the inning. A BIG no no. Follow that up with an error and you basically giveaway a run to give up the lead.
It happens, its baseball. However, giving back the lead is not good pitching and Pettitte will tell you the same.
Now, its up to the offense. If they can’t hit this team, they don’t deserve to win the game.
“No Killer Instinct – didnt Boston get beaten down by KC? teams have bad series.”
Don’t buy into the banter about the series. If the Yanks do what I expect of them, this will be regarded as a very good series with two strong starts. Certainly enough to win playoff games.
The jury is still out.
BJ
Wow, Baltimore is HORRIBLE.
Someone should tell the Orioles they’re playing the Yankees today.
Carmine: Yeah, probably!
“The problem with quoting “6 innings, 2 runsâ€?, as if its the be all end all is, as with many of you statheads, it comes without context.”
I have watched this entire game SJ, and there is little you can say to convince me that Petitte didn’t pitch a strong game today regardless of the stats.
BJ
SJ – are you kidding?? I would give Pettite credit for a solid start today. He he had one bad inning out of 6 (and got out of that inning with just 1 run). You say it was the #8 hiter like that’s Andy’s fault. I could be wrong but I think every team has a #8 hitter AND a #9 hitter. You don’t blame Andy for only getting out the #8 hitter.
yeh rebecca, i heard that stevie wonder no hit them back in april
don’t worry the O’s will get better when they play the yanks
now the blue jays have the bases loaded and no outs….
you know, –if–when the Yankees come back and win this game, no one’s gonna argue about whether or not Pettitte had a good start…
Arod should be trying to steal here.
get better lol, they turn into the fu**ing big red machine whenever they play us.
Rebecca – seriously. I understand the frustration about the offense but Andy pitched just fine.
Damn Matsui and Posada both just missed those.
toronto putting the nail in seattles coffin
Ugh. I thought Tampa’s bullpen was supposed to be good for us?
And now we have Cano up who doesn’t play well in day games…
Lazy fly balls all day today. As we say in softball, “down and hard, boys.”
The Yank aren’t winning sh*t if their top four hitter in the lineup don’t do something. Damon, Jeter and Abreu have been pretty bad.
I couldn’t agree more –this one is on the offense, not Andy. This wasn’t his best outing of the year but he did a GREAT job keeping us in the game.
The offense though is SO frustrating right now!! Can we do something here!!
cabrera gives up a jack to little jacoby ellsbury.
You crack me up Spin Doctor 44.
Pettitte had some stinkers back in July, you remember those.
1 2/3IP 8R
5IP 8R
Those were stinkers, not today. Spin away.
“you know, -if-when the Yankees come back and win this game, no one’s gonna argue about whether or not Pettitte had a good start…”
If they lose, he still pitched a terrific game. One of the best starts of the year for us.
BJ
I agree with Boston Dave, Pettite’s having a good outing…..Yanks offense hasn’t showed up so far…..
the Mariners bullpen has been absolutely worn out the past two weeks or so
Damon, Jeter and Abreu have been pretty bad.
understatement of the fu**ing century right there.
Why does it seem like the O’s lay down for everyone except us?
With one 5.2 inning outing as the exception (and even that start was less than three runs), he has pitched a “quality start” every start since July 6th. Pretty impressive streak for Pettitte.
One run for Toronto. Not enough with BL & O out.
It was a good start. I don’t think I would call it “one of the best start of the year for us.”
i would take this start everytime from every yankee starter
I don’t know if I would have Wilson hit for us here.
PH Giambi???
Rover: I would, too. Usually the Yankee offense actually does something.
Let’s hope WB breaks out of his slump.
Why isn’t Giambi pinch hitting? Then put Mink in, they brought him up didn’t they?
time for Betemit to make you AP haters look good
Hopefully Betemit can come through here, but I’m not the only person who’d like to see Giambi.
Yeah, it’s not Andy’s fault that they made Jason Hammel look like Cole Hammels today.
0 for 16 i guess hes do
WTF no Giambi Pinch Hit here? We’re stacked with first basemen?
WTF offense?!
cano walked and damon threw someone out at first and we got only one run out of hammel in the middle of a playoff race, we are in the godamn twilight zone.
Unfrickenbelievable. Not only is the Wilson Betemit honeymoon over, I’m thinking about filing for divorce.
How do you not PH Big G there???
thinkiing gold glove giambi, may have been the better option
at home*
What is their love affair with betemit, he’s a strike out or pop fly machine.
Gagne unavailable for the next few days due to shoulder soreness
I know I’m not the manager, but WHY doesn’t Giambi bat there?!?!?!?
Well, looks like we’ve got three innings to scrape up two runs. Absolutely doable.
Betemit got a good swing on the ball, but his momentum was carrying him to first base, so it was a slasher…nuts.
Hope to see Pettite in the 7th so he can get a chance to win in the bottom frame. With the Tampa BP, our chances are still good.
Looks like we are all equally as clueless about this decision. I’d even rather have seen Minky there.
Giambi is likely getting a day off after playing more lately.
It wasn’t Pettitte’s best outing ND.
No need for name calling. I mean, I know you are 10 years old and are incapable of debating without namecalling (only 10 year olds act like that). However, it wasn’t his best outing, stat quoting or not.
Listen to his post-game. I am sure he won’t be happy about his outing.
He just gave up another hit to Navarro, as I type this. Another hit to a #9 hitter.
Sorry, not a good outing. The biggest reason they are losing but, not a good outing.
its a playoff race, give him another day off
I am sick of Dioner Navarro.
cano walked and damon threw someone out at first and we got only one run out of hammel in the middle of a playoff race, we are in the godamn twilight zone.
Cano has walked 34 times this year, which is acceptable.
good try though.
Why is Petite still pitching?
Nuts, first man on…big one too because it’s tough to get a DP out of the Tampa top-of-the-order.
“It was a good start. I don’t think I would call it “one of the best start of the year for us.â€?”
Andy has only given up fewer runs 7 other times this season. That puts this start near the top quartile for the year. In my book it makes it one of his best. Add to that a brilliant pick off and escaping a bases loaded one out jam, and you have a fine fine outing.
BJ
SJ – you keep saying that Pettite will say it’s not his best outing. NOBODY is saying it was his best outing. But it IS a good outing (so far)
Damon, Jeter, Abreu and A-Rod are a combined 1-11 today with 7 k’s. That is absolutley pathetic, and the Yanks aren’t going to win many games when those four do that.
Boston Dave
Yes, K.C. swept Boston, but here’s the thing:
K.C. is a better team than T.B.
Boston is a better team than the Yanks (I dont wanna hear otherwise, the record doesn’t lie, I go by the record and overall play, Boston has been a better team than the Yanks this year).
The Yanks today were clueless against a retread who came from the bullpen and hasn’t won a start in 17 tries. They have failed to put contact on the ball for a run without a hit twice. They almost allowed a run with their defense were it not for a dumb baserunner (Wilson stopping at 2B when he should’ve been on 3B). They allowed a run on Melky’s typical, tiresome spinning around 2-3X to track a ball, he makes Bernie Williams look like Willie Mays. These are the telltale signs of a team playing scared, scared to drop 2 of 3 to the lowly T.B.D.R., the worst team in the league. It’s 9/2. Seattle is getting their as ses handed to them by Toronto again, and the Yanks are once again failing to capitalize like they failed to capitalize last week. They look like they’re the hunted. I think they let down vs. T.B.
They underestimate T.B. You can’t tell me playing like this vs. T.B. is the mark of a World Series caliber team, it isn’t.
They should be at least 3 games ahead of Seattle going into this series, maybe they will, but there have been too many games like today where the energy doesn’t feel right. I can’t recall a year where the Yanks just laid down and died in most of their losses like this year. They’re on their way today. How many comeback wins have they had when trailing after 7 innings? I know they’ve had maybe 3 walkoff wins. It feels like 6-1 Seattle not 2-1. You have to wonder if these guys came into this game thinking “This guy’s a bum, we should manhandle him.” They’ve let alot of bums dominate them this year, more than ever, that’s bad. Wait ’til they draw Beckett/ Matsuzaka/ Schilling/ Wakefield, Lackey/ Escobar/ Weaver/ Santana, Sabathia/ Carmona/ Byrd/ Westbrook. Those 4 are considerably more formidable then Shileds/ Kazmir/ Sommanstine/ Hammels.
“What is their love affair with betemit, he’s a strike out or pop fly machine.”
and yet, if Phillips hits that same fly ball in the 2nd inning, it’s a tie game.
The Squirrels are taking over: Betemit is a natural lefty power hitter. With the short porch, even a pop-fly becomes a homer. Yanks were betting on one-swing in that entire nottom half.
0-17. Sorry, Giambi should be been the PH choice there.
That’s a bad call to let Wilson bat in that situation.
Giambi is swinging the bat better than Betemit is at the moment.
Bad call by Torre on that one.
Is Giambi sick?
The O is letting down AP today.
is there not a diff, between great outing and good outing? this blog is so confusing.
“Listen to his post-game. I am sure he won’t be happy about his outing.”
It wasn’t his best outing agreed, but we are really nitpicking. Relying on Andy’s assesment of his performance is like asking how Oneil did. He always says he could have done better. Listen to Joe if you want more meaningful insight from a baseball insider.
Andy has thus far pitched very well. I will take this performance in the post season any day of the week. That is really what its all about anyway.
BJ
These guys are really using up Andy’s pitch-count.
It definitely isn’t Pettitte’s best outing. Anyone saying it is has not watched him pitch much this season. However, he did what Wang always used to do last year when he was our ace and still often does – even coming in w/o his very best stuff, he gave us a chance to win. The onus is 100% on the offense to make something happen now. They had puzzling ABs against Hammel, fine. Frustrating, but fine. Now with the bullpen in though, that is no longer an excuse. Time to turn the page and do this!
“Giambi is swinging the bat better than Betemit is at the moment.
Bad call by Torre on that one.”
I couldn’t figure that move out either. Betemit has become a bit of a liability both in the field and at the plate as of late. Not sure why Giambi or Duncan don’t get the nod.
BJ
if we lose this game, there is plenty of blame to go around
Uggh, his good start is going to go down the tubes if he gives up more runs here in the seventh.
This is Andy’s last batter, I would guess, with a RHB on deck.
No Killer Instinct – I would bet anything that you completely wrote off the Yankees in the first half. I don’t think the Yankees can win if they play like they are so far today. However, you dont have much credibility when you make claims that they clearly can’t win. by the way, not sure if anyone is actually reading your entire posts. a bit long and redundant.
If Pena goes deep here it’s a “stinker” of an outing.
Duncan, another one who I’d much rather have AB in that situation than Betemit! Don’t get it at all, hopefully it wont come back to bite us.
guess i missed those walks
I am goddamn sick of watching Carlos Pena rip up the yankees….jesus christ.
Yea, Pettitte’s good start?
Not so much anymore. Bad decision to keep him in after Crawford’s hit.
“Stinker” it is.
the start was good, the finish sucks
That puts a little damper on the day.
Well, his good start jut turned into a terrible one.
ugh
looks like i went to the right game this series………..
Well it’s over now. Let’s hope Detroit and Seattle both lose.
Hung one.
“SJ – you keep saying that Pettite will say it’s not his best outing. NOBODY is saying it was his best outing. But it IS a good outing (so far)”
just pointing out that I did say “so far”. UGH.
good game Torre good game 120 pitches was necessary apparently
Well, a good day turned into a bad one with one swing by Pena. Tough one for Pettite: first time he’s given up more than 3 ER in the second half. Hopefully the Yankees can pull these nuts out of the fire.
Yeah, great start by Pettitte. Awesome. Let’s see you keep spinning this one.
F*^*
I don’t know why they even sent him out for the 7th. Now this becomes a RIDICULOUSLY difficult to win game down by this much.
Was Joe trying to make Andy’s arm fall off? He had thrown 115 pitches before Pena came up to bat.
so ummm ok i think im done with this game
raymondmagnetic, just threw in the towel, shame
This is Torre’s fault though. Pettite shouldn’t have still been in the game. That’s what happens though when you don’t trust your bullpen.
I’m sure Spin Doctor 44 is composing a post right now saying Pettitte didn’t have his best stuff today and it caught up with him. blah blah blah
Watch, it’s coming.
I am sick of Dioner Navarro AND Carlos Pena!!
Oh, Andy. It’s not over yet, guys. We still have 3 innings to go at their bullpen.
So for all those bitching about how Girardi would handle a pitching staff, what the F says bring in Pettitte for the top of the 7th….Oh that is right, Pettitte didn’t have an injury after being under Torre…and there was no 82 minute delay.
THAT move, just cost the Yankees the game and another game in the WC standings.
I didnt see it, but Ortiz just stole 2nd base against the O’s. If that isn’t proof that the O’s only show up against NY, I don’t know what is.
i saw abreu stare at 2 of those from hammel and not even swing at them jees.
Just a horrible weekend for the Yankees. 1 win and two losses to Tampa Bay is unacceptable. To sweep Boston and then follow it with this effort is just hard to believe.
IF Tampa Bay didnt have the worst bullpen known to man, this game would be over.
PEna just climbed like 9 spots in D-ray HR history in one series… jesus
Another thing:
The pythagorean W-L (based on number of runs the Yanks scored) at baseball-reference.com says the Yanks should already be playing at least a little over .500 ball to win the wildcard and alot closer than 5 games behind Boston. They’ve pissed away at least 3 good starts by Pettitte, it could be 4 after today. They’ve pissed away alot of good starts which are hard to come by in the vaunted offense A.L.
Now it’s 5-1 T.B. Pettitte was due to have a bad game which he officially has had. It comes at the worst possible time, but can this Yankee team come back for once? Without A-Rod?
I wouldn’t mind if A-Rod was involved haha, but is 5 runs for a 6-5 win at worst margin-wise be too much to ask?
Please tell me the last time they came back from 4 or more runs, I don’t remember.
This is what happens when you play like sh it: at some point your one guy who isn’t playing like sh it will tank.
It’s not fair that Andy has to carry Mussina AND the offense.
Rover I believe the Yankees have it in them to make a comeback. Will they though, as of now it doesn’t look good. However 4 runs down with 3 left to play isnt’ out of the question.
Lord only knows why Edwar didn’t just come in to start this inning. Because Andy has been so dependable, they pushed him too hard today. Why not just let him call it a day after the 6th? Take what he gave you w/o complaint and turn it over to the pen.
i worry for the yanks- they seem to play to their competition.
Well, it wasn’t hard to see why that pitch went over the fence. I knew that was gone as soon as I saw it over the plate. That pitch hung. You can’t do that with Pena this year.
4 runs in 3 innings is not impossible against the worst bullpen in the league.
Well, the good news is that K-Ram is on.
I’d love to see the Yankees offense do some serious damage, but I am a purist.
Good job by Edwar. Bad job by Andy. And a worse job by Torre.
Grrrr…Edwar could have done that for us 4 batters and 3 runs ago!
raymondmagnetic, way to get back in.. lol
TB still has to shut us down for 3 more innings, not likely with their Bullpen, but 4 to tie, 5 to win…. yanks better wake up.
Betemit can hit the porch? I’d say Giambi has a better shot at doing so.
Betemit is 0-17 and has looked AWFUL at the plate. You have Jason Giambi on the bench. Giambi vs. Betemit?
A no brainer. Should have been Giambi.
Keep telling me how this is a “good” outing for Andy.
Quote some more stats to back up your claims.
3 run bomb to a lefty, 2 hits, including a HR to the #9 hitter. 5-1 game over.
Sorry, not a good start. Torre stayed too long with him. But, that’s what happens when you convince yourself somebody is pitching well when they really aren’t.
Torre made the same mistake some of you made today. You convinced yourself somebody was pitching well when they really weren’t. Like Torre, it blew up in your faces.
He didn’t pitch well today. Look at his high pitch count for 6 innings of work and look at how he pitched in the 6th inning.
Stats without context are meaningless numbers. Today is a classic example of that.
Its now 3 series lost to the Devil Rays this year. That’s a joke. Its also not what most playoff teams have on their resume.
They better wake up in the Seattle series or they will head on the road behind in the WC again. We all know how this team plays on the road. I wouldn’t want to need road wins to make the playoffs this year. They are awful on the road.
An awful weekend of baseball for the Yankees. No other way to say it.
“And a worse job by Torre.”
Exactly. Andy gave him an inch and he took a mile.
No Killer Instinct – are you getting paid by the word?
Who cares that Pettitte was at X amount of pitches? You guys always cry when Torre doesn’t let guys up their pitch count and then when he does you cry. Pettitte’s BA against once he gets over 100 pitches was really low, too.
billy wagner in to blow another save
as long as seattle doesnt come back, there is a silver lining in what appears to be a bad weekend for NY.
Amazing, Ian Kennedy is the only pitcher too do his job this weekend. This team is too lethargic to make any serious runs over the next 25 or so games.
I’m just really pissed on Andy’s behalf. Why couldn’t they just be thankful he gave a quality start without his best stuff? Why did they have to try and “squeeze” 1 more inning out of him??
Cmon offense!!! Win this for Andy he deserves it!!!
BBB good 2nd guess. classic. there best pitcher has given up 2 runs thru 6 but you want them to bring in a rookie with a 5+ ERA to pitch to the meat of the order.. CLassic clowm 2nd guesser…
they are not hitting the last 3 days.. they should have 5 runs or more…Cano is in a coma, jeter had a good series against boston but has done nothing, no one is really hitting right now..
if they losre they will be 8 and 7 against tampa, they are4 and 8 against baltimore, and they are not clear yet. If detroit wins, the yanks lose they are only 2 games out of the WC also..
Seattle will win a game sooner or later…
Wagner may blow another save…. lol
Andy came in because he wanted to come in. They left him in because he was a pitch away from getting the inning-ending double play. Andy made 2 mistakes today, but he’s still our guy and there’s still 3 innings left.
Rover after seeing that homerun my gut reaction was to say it’s over. Then I thought about the Tampa bullpen and logic came back to me. lol I really do hope they can win this game though. It’d be awesome to be up by 3 games on Seattle and Detroit.
Hindsight is 20/20. Had Pettitte been pulled after 6 having given up 2 runs, it would have been considered a good start. Yet, he pitched 7 and gave up 5, so it is not considered a good start.
You all know it’s possible Mussina will pitch tomorrow, right?
ND Yank – I agree. hindsight is 20/20 and if Pettite shut them down there it would have been a good move. Maybe it would have been a good idea to pull him after the 2 hits though. Nothing we can do about it now.
No, ND, I am sure you are going to throw out some of your meaningless stats to tell us how great he was today.
Watch the game and not the stat sheet. You may actually learn something.
It was CLEAR to anybody who knows anything about baseball, he was struggling today.
They tried to push the envelope and it blew up in their faces.
No “spin” necessary. Just reality. Try it sometime. You may actually learn something about the game.
Didn’t even have to face Shields or Kazmir this weekend. Just awful.
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Mark of the Beast!!!!
raymondmagnetic, we agree, gotta get past the initial gut reaction, and bear down. right.
Andy threw alot of pitches the other night too. How can we trust the bullpen when we don’t give them the chance? Win or lose, got to go with who you have!
ND Yanks the clowns bitch when things do not work out. that means taking a guy out or leaving them in.. if the Yanks lose it is always the wrong move for these clowns..
they are not hitting and have let 1 guy kill them…
we are a ground ball machine today.
populoso: If that was the case we would probably have won those games…
Talk about a f***ing trap series!
Damon Jeter Abreu – 1-9, 6 SO, 7 men lob
Stuart, I didn’t mean that they specifically HAD to use Edwar but it seemed like a no-brainer to me that Andy’s day was done after the 6th. I was very surprised when he came out for the 7th.
Furthermore, you can’t really use Edwar’s ERA to gauge his effectiveness because it got blown up terribly the time he threw like 20 straight balls and gave up a bunch of runs after not having pitched in 2 weeks, which a changeup pitcher can’t really do. Other than that outing, and especially since being re-called, Edwar has been effective. Is it really INSANITY to think he could have come out to start the 7th and had a 1-2-3? Sorry I dont think so.
Game over in Toronto, Jays win! There’s your silver lining.
lol @ Spin Doctor44. Of course it’s not a good start now. Duh, he just gave up a 3 run bomb. Nobody is saying it is now. 6IP 2R is a good start, 6 1/3IP 5R not so much. You’re a genius.
You’re real good at spinning and the “I Told You Sos”, not so much with admitting you were wrong. Pretty lame.
SJ – Pettite was pitching great until the 6th. He looked as good as I’ve seen him lately. I dont know what game you were watching. He fell apart towards the end and you turned out to be right about his start ending up badly. However, he was dominant at times today.
Official that Seattle lost.
Small blessing, I guess.
yey blue jays!
Pettitte never should have started the 7th. He had to battle to get out of the 6th.
The logical move was Edwar to begin the 7th. Especially, since Navarro hit Pettitte hard all day.
Its more than just reading a stat sheet. Its watching the game. Certain times, guys are hitting pitchers well.
Today, Navarro hit Pettitte well. Pettitte was struggling all day. The smart move, was not having him start the 7th.
The dumb move was putting him out to pitch the 7th, especially if you are quoting stats without context.
It blew up in their faces as it does most times when you quote stats without context.
I too was surprised to see Andy out there for the seventh. What was more surprising was that clueless Joe left him in there after he gave up two hits and was at 115 pitches.
It’s crazy that we had Pena last year and he could have been at first base this year. Of course Torre wouldn’t play him either.
Come on Derek lets make some noise here and get back in this thing.
Good. Seattle lost. Better if Detroit and Boston lose. Best if the Yankees win.
this game better get more exciting. john sterling is going for the world record in “number of tired cliches used to describe how pitching wins baseball games”… he’s killing me.
Get this: Baltimore actually scored a run!
Somewhat off topic, but I can’t believe the lack of expertise shown by several Yankee fans (not to mention Pete) re: the last called third strike in Bucholz’ no hitter. That pitch was CERTAINLY a strike. It was a 12 to 6 curve ball that Varitek caught well above the ground. When crossing the plate, such a delivery is NEVER too low. Also, the pitch was NOT outside. This was not a Maddux/Glavine type strike – it had plenty of the outside corner.
Incredible! Why try to cheapen a wonderful performance with bogus “expertise” on ball and strike calls? If anything, Joe West squeezed Bucholz in the later innings, underestimating the late bite on Bucholz’ curve ball. Pete owes Joe West an apology. The pitch was a strike, and is ALWAYS a strike, regardless of the umpire.
“They tried to push the envelope and it blew up in their faces.
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Agreed, and that is exactly what irks me the most. Why couldn’t they just f’n take what Andy gave them and move on to Edwar or someone else? No they just HAD to push him!
I’m sure he said he wanted the ball, but he’s a warrior, he isn’t gonna say no, this isn’t Pavano we’re dealing with here. If WE could see from home that Andy was done after the 6th why couldnt Joe see that from the dugout?
Grant Balfour
Dude should be playing hockey with a name like that.
Hey Boston Dave
You know jack, o.k? I didn’t write off the Yanks at all. If you think I did, whatever. Boston is winning the division, spare me the thoughts of ’78, this is not ’78 and we don’t have a guy anywhere close to ’78 Guidry (as well as Wang andPettitte have been pitching.
Well you’re reading my posts and since you want to get nasty and personal with me when I didn’t with you, I’m done with you. B.t.w. get a life if my posts are “long and redundant” what does that say about you? Redundant in what way? It’s pretty redundant that every time the opposition gets a 4 or more run lead on the Yanks, the Yanks tank, maybe you should follow this year’s team. I count TWO walkoff wins by the Yanks this year, both on A-Rod homeruns (one vs. Baltimore, another vs. Cleveland). If he doesn’t smack those homeruns, the Yanks are tied with Seattle going into the series with them tomorrow.
If the Yanks can’t hit Jason Hammels or the other guy Sommanstine, how they hitting the Boston, L.A., and Cleveland rotations with far better bullpens than T.B? Yeah they could, but it’s unlikely. It’s time they CAME BACK DOWN 5-1 VS. A SHI TTY TEAM with 3 frames to play, o.k? They have the offense to do it. They have the bullpen combo of Joba/ Mo to hold T.B. down to do it Does the 8 guys behind the pitcher have the nerve? We’ll see. This is a perfect time for the Yanks to show what they are made of.
SJ – the 7th inning is definitely debatable. but honestly, how can you say he was struggling all day? he was getting ahead in the count and striking guys out with ease. if you want to say its a bad start, thats fine. but i guess i had given you more credit than i should have in the past. i just dont know how you can feel so strongly that pettite struggled all game.
That’s just it, he wasn’t pitching “great”. It was a stuggle for him all day. Geez, how can anybody NOT see that?
Its why he should have never been out for the 7th. Instead, they pushed it and it was the wrong move.
Since some of us in here wanted him out of the game earlier, and especially after the 6th, its not second guessing, its first guessing.
Then again, our resident stat maven ND, who can only read numbers and not have any idea what it means, can’t understand this discussion. It goes over his head.
this guy has a 5 ERA, lets make sure of that please.
no killer instinct, im not even reading your posts. not sure anyone else is but keep em to a few lines. sometimes, and in your case most definitely, LESS is more.
Get over it Brian. Nobody cares.
Jeter got out of bed this morning with an 0-2 count.
watching Yankee games is becoming unhealthy for me
Where’s Shelley when you need him?
jeters got michigan and jessica biel on the brain today
uh not the game of the century for jeter
Jeter has been sooooo bad today. A very un captain like performance.
These ABS by Jeter and Abreu are absolutely disgusting. I’ve never seen them both look so fruitless at the same time.
Killer Instinct – do us a favor and change your name to Youkilis. you are one whiny bastard. and your glass isnt half empty. its just plain empty.
Dave,
He was over 100 pitches after 6 and was battling in long counts all day. That’s what I mean when I say he was struggling.
It was a battle for him today. Guts and guile kept it at 2 after 6.
No way he should have started the 7th. That was pushing it and it hurt them.
Not as much as the offense getting dominated by Tampa pitching for most of the weekend. However, given what we were seeing today with Andy, it made no sense having him start the 7th.
SJ44 – You could make your points a lot better if you used 75% less words and 95% less condescension.
I hope we don’t waste Joba today. If he pitches today, he’ll only get to pitch once against Seattle. If he doesn’t pitch today, he can pitch in two against Seattle. Assuming, of course, the Joba Rules are the same.
BOBBY!
Game’s not quite over yet…
thats more like it, AROD’s gotta get him in here.
chip, chip, chip
I don’t think Murcer should strain himself trying to think up the names of countries. Meanwhile, nice hit, Bobby! This one ain’t over yet!
Yes! C’mon AROD with a homer.
we nedded that
Please stop Spin Doctor, you’re so full of it. Your “holier than thou” act gets old. Your a knowledgable dude, but by no means is everything you say gospel. Get over yourself.
And no I just don’t quote stats. I’ve heard pitchers say they had their best stuff and don’t know why they gave up 5 runs and I’ve heard pitchers say they didn’t have their best stuff and still spinned a shutout. So since they didn’t have their best stuff, struggled a bit and threw a shutout, that doesn’t mean it was a good outing? According to your warped logic I guess not. Pitchers can battle with not their best stuff and still pitch great games, happens everyday. Pay attention.
SJ – I guess but it was far from a miserable start. I cant argue about the 7th.
Phil, the Joba Rules are not in effect anymore to the extent they were.
No need to shovel dirt on us yet!
Yes yes yeeessssss!! Remind me to call Abreu fruitless more often – I think he likes it!
Let’s go Yankees! Chip chip chip!
Nice post V.
You want to talk about chipping?
Baltimore’s down now 2 3, with no one out in the inning…
thud
Arod had his pitch there.
What’s with ripping on Pete?
Still with the name calling ND? It must be nice to be 10 years old. I remember when I was that young.
Just like you, I didn’t know too much then and tried to use numbers to cover for it. Just like you do when discussing baseball.
now there is some typical jeter lethargy
Rich, you are way out of line with the personal attacks on Pete.
“No way he should have started the 7th. That was pushing it and it hurt them.”
Vintage Joe Torre managing pushing a pitcher beyond what he has in the tank. It seems to me that after all these years, Torre should know Andy better, especially with a well rested Joba in the pen.
Still plenty of baseball left in this game. 3 runs aren’t nearly as difficult as 4. I smell a Duncan moment coming up.
BJ
Whatever happens today, I just don’t want to see anyone talking any smack about Andy. He battled and gave the offense a chance. It isn’t his fault he was left in too long.
Brian, I didnt see the pitch but I’m guessing it was at least debatable. I dont think anybody is taking away the no hitter.
Rich – if you’re trying to knock Pete, then it kind of makes you look worse for spending your time in his blog.
Edwar is dealing today!
Way to give that run right back. UGH!
it’s funny… say joe did take him out and edwar gave up a 3 run home run… the same people would be complaining that Andy should have been left in since he only gave up 2 runs in 6 innings…
yes he is yard balls.
uh…
why would you ever not throw a changeup in that situation
thank you toronto for not making this weekend as miserable as it could have been. i guess we need to root for oakland as well.
if seatle wasnt struggling so bad we would be 10 back
One thing they do need to do is put someone in at 1st for Betemit. The whole day off for Giambi sounds good but Shelley or Minky needs to come in for WB. Every bat counts right now and Wilson has been an auto-out.
Uh, make that WAS dealing. I’m such an idiot.
It’s not name calling. You’re the Spin Doctor.
Sj I am dissapointed in you.. you are like the other clowns with the pitching moves, to bad.. yeah Pettitte was struggling the guy had given up 2 runs in 6 innings nad not lost in about 9 starts, yeah he was struggling..
they were actually kiling the ball; walk, error on pettitte, another walk, and an infield single..yeah they were killing him.. Edwar looks good especially when he gets ahead in the count but he has given up a ton of HR’s.. that is a bad bad HR…
Navarro is killing us, he has all yr… the granny against Edwar previously..
SJ, I have lost all respect for you with your couch managing..
Bad Edwar!
yep, eddwars yard ball sale
no more fastball… please.
game over.
Gotta love missing the Devil Rays only two good pitchers and still getting your ass handed to you by the worst team in baseball.
always a special time.
When you lose all 4 series to the Orioles and 3 of the 5 series to the DRays, which is what the Yankees have done this year, you are not a playoff team.
They better beat the other teams because they are digging a huge hole for themselves.
Another weekend getting beat by last place teams and not being able to get #8 and #9 hitters.
Edwar melting down again against the DRays. A lost weekend for the Yankees, rendering their sweep against the Red Sox meaningless.
OMG CHEK HIS BATT
Okay, now I’m going to be sick, I think…
How do we do this to the Devil Rays?
The @#$&*@#$&*@#$ Devil Rays?
UGH!
Yikes
Rocco, hindsight is 20/20 isn’t it? Damn I got up from my living room to type this and it’s now 8-2. Guess we won’t see Edwar around here any more.
What a “stinker” by Edwar. He shouldn’t throw his FB anywhere near the heart of the plate. Just awful.
Yuck.
Oh well. If this makes any sense, at least we picked a good weekend to have a bad weekend. Let’s just hope the A’s win today.
They better not waste Joba here.
This is just a superficial impression, but it seems like Edwar doesn’t do too well in the these situations where the Yankees are down a few runs and just want to hold the line to have a change to come back. Doesn’t he seem to do better in tighter situations? Maybe I’m just grasping.
not a good day for joe
I don’t know how read Pete’s paper is, but his blog is definitely way up there as far as baseball blogs go. Just check around some other baseball blogs. Very few which can compete.
BBB are you retarted??
Betemit 0 for 12, in about 5 different games.. That is why they are playing like crap because of Betemits 12 AB’s without a hit, that is it we figured it out…
Ynaks still are a enigma.. there pitching still stinks. They have 2.5 quality starters, there pen has the big 2 and many question marks….
when they do not mash they lose, what asuprise………….
SJ have the Yankees lost 3 of five series to the DRays? Seems impossible considering they lead the season series 8-6 soon to be 8-7 and I don’t recall them ever sweeping the D-Rays.
SJ – how is the red sox sweep now meaningless? if anything its even more meaningful. they just need to make the playoffs and they may even get cleveland and let Anaheim and Boston duke it out. who knows?
The yankees should not have given up 3 home runs. If they didn’t they would be tied. I should be manager.
seems it it the yanks civic duty to let the drays beat them up. it is the only time of the year the rays get to feel good about things.
Its not couch managing stuart. I don’t expect anybody to be perfect all the time.
Andy was struggling today and on days he struggled, he deserved a better fate from Torre than starting the 7th inning.
I wouldn’t have done it. I would have said, “job well done” keeping it at 2 after 6, then take my chances from there.
Torre talks all the time about taking pitchers out when they are feeling good about themselves. In this case, he pushed it and it ended up being the wrong move.
Its a lot easier to manage the game in one inning spurts than pushing the envelope with guys.
After 6, he could have had it set up for Edwar for one, Viz/Joba for another, depending on the situation, and Mo to close if they got the lead.
Instead, he’s pushing guys to do more and it hurts the team.
Its just an opinion. That’s all it is.
Hitters have popped up about 9 homerun balls today…
Rich and Hughes5.50 – when you resort to those types of insults, its generally because you have nothing intelligent to say and you need to push back your impending failure.
Stuart, what in god’s holy name are you blathering about? Try to keep up here…Betemit is doing poorly. He has become practically an auto-out. Before that HR, if they wanted to come back from a 3 run deficit, it’s advantageous not to have any auto-outs in the lineup.
Not exactly rocket science.
Six of the Yankees 8 wins against the DRays have come from winning two 4 game series, 3-1.
They have lost all of the 2 of 3 series to the DRays this year.
but SJ you cannot have it both ways. .Edwar melt down complain but you complain they kept pettitte in. This proves to me you are a phony and you know nothing.
you probably are a fantsy baseball nutcase and just spout nonsense..it is not like the yanks have this great pen.. with the Joba(stupid) rules Torre likes to use him only when they are ahead and Kyle had a stellar outing the other day and the same with the Viz yesterday..
you guys bitch all the time with no logical solution.
Matsui is in a slump also. I have commented in Tampa and Baltimore about 10 times, the Yanks need to mash to win and have 2.5 starter.. they actually are lucky to be in the position they are in and are not out of the woods yet on making the playoffs…
Brian:
This just in – casual baseball fans don’t know everything about baseball!
This is also a Yankee blog, so I don’t know what you are expecting. There are going to be the idiot fans (as I’m sure Boston has plenty) along with the intelligent and rational ones.
“Rich and Hughes5.50 – when you resort to those types of insults, its generally because you have nothing intelligent to say and you need to push back your impending failure.”
lol! maybe i should join the stimulating conversation about pulling pettitte in the 6th rather than the 7th.
Which decision was worse, keeping Pettitte in after he gave up the leadoff hit in the 7th or expecting Ken Singleton to correctly pronounce “Martina Navritolova”?
SJ you are wrong about the Yankees losing 3 of 5 series to the DRays. The first series was split 1/1 with one game called off due to rain. Tampa won the next series 2-0. Yankees won the next series 3/1. They split the next series 1/1. Yankees won the next series 3/1. And Tampa will probably win this series 2/1.
Of course Mr. Negativity always sees things his way.
sj and BBB. you guys just blather nonsense..
BLAH BLAH BLAH….yeah take out your 2nd best starter because you have this lights out pen.. you guys are clowns.. I am done trying to push some logic into your craniums……….
The Yankees have only lost 2 series to the Devil Rays this year if you’re counting this series as well. The season opener was a 2-game split. Then they got swept in another 2-game series. Then they took 3/4 twice in July.
I hope this game puts an end to Pete’s silly campaign to have Joe Torre return to sleep walk through another season.
Baltimore has man on second, no out.
How about we quit the bitchin’ about who is right and who is wrong…
If the season ended today, the Yankees are in the playoffs. This isn’t July anymore. The Yankees fought ALL the way back.
While these type of games can’t be afforded… they happen. Gotta have some faith. Without it, these season would have been lost long ago.
This is another disgrace. I’ve been posting that a lot in here. I can’t believe I’m sitting here watching this team struggle against Devil Ray pitching. I just can’t believe it.
I think this team takes a lot of days off during the season and it seems they do it collectively as a whole. It’s unbelievable.
I don’t know what’s up Jeter’s butt, but he hasn’t been right at the plate in awhile. He seemed to come out of it when the Red Sox showed up and has quickly reverted to bad unproductive at bats in key situations.
It feels like this game was over when Andy Phillips hit into that DP early on. I’m not sure why Giambi is sitting since he’s been fielding his position well. If it was just because Phillips can handle pick offs better, that’s not a good enough reason to bench Giambi in my eyes.
The Yankees only seem to get up for big series, so they’ll crush the M’s this week and then go and get swept in KC next weekend. That’s been the pattern this season.
They got 2 innings to get 6 runs to tie this up — against this team that should be no problem. They need this game.
“sj and BBB. you guys just blather nonsense..”
Stop stealing my verbage, come up with your own!
SJ, if you can talk some sense into posters like this, then more power to ya! I am washing my hands of this one though, lol.
89, thanks for summing it up,, perspective!
yeh but the season don’t end today, we still have time to trip all over ourselves by losing to crap teams with crap pitchers.
Oh, now we pinch hit for Betemit
Giambi played a lot recently — it’s September, time to make sure he gets some rest.
Yes, I know he’s missed the whole year basically — but you still have to make sure his foot is OK for the playoffs.
Why Betemit continues to get ABs late in the game over Giambi… I have no idea. I have been saying that from the beginning. I definitely take my chances with Giambi and Andy.
Betemit had a nice start with the Yankees — and i like his versatility and everything… but he strikes out more than Danny Tartabull
at least there a couple on
Ugh, so they keep saying Jason’s got awesome numbers against this guy. So of course Jason flies out.
alot of clutch hitting today.. all the big guys are coming thru!!!!!!!!!!
O’s let Oki off the hook. They had a man on third and he struck out the next 2 batters.
Looks like the Os stole the Yankees play book.
Did YES say what was wrong with Phillips, usually they tell you later in the game.
Today is on the offense.
For most of the game Pettitte pitched well enough to give us the win…but how many innings did we have the lead off man on and not bring him in to score?
completley unacceptable.
What a bunch of tools on here.
The Yanks own Oki!
Phillips out with an injured wrist. He is going to get x-rays.
Rick Ankiel had another HR, just FYI.
I’m having flashbacks to the games in Colorado and San Francisco.
Keep calling Edwar bucktoothed…Shelley will crush you.
Well that was our best chance there in the 8th to get something started. This was a BAD series. Bad offense, bad defense, bad managing. but we’re lucky it didn’t really hurt us in the WC race. Just gotta turn the page tomorrow and take advantage of Seattle’s slide.
Jason Giambi, late-inning defensive replacement. hahahahahahhaa
Good managers bail out their teams when things aren’t going well. Instead of hitting and running to create runs early in the game, Joe sat on his behind and watched the offense sputter. Then, when it was obvious to everyone that Pettitte was toast after working out of the 6th, Torre lets him give up a 3-run bomb.
They don’t call him Clueless for nothing. At least if the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, a pretty nice consolation prize is waiting: no more Joe.
baltimore had the bases loaded on Lester in like the 3rd and got zero.. a soft liner to 2nd by mora and a flyout to shallow right and a throw out at home.. baltimore only plays well against hte Yanks….
BBB you are quite a young man, about 12?
this team is a wreck, they lost 3 out of 4 to the Tigers, should have won 3 games, and that may come back to haunt them.
right now no one is hitting.. Veras can he be any more off balance when he throws a pitch??
This years Yankees team is just like that girl you you take out all the time, give her some liquor and she keeps making you think you’re going to score but you don’t. So you try again another night, things are looking good, but no, still nothing.
So you try again.
And again.
And again.
And you never score – you just wasted all that time when you could have spent it playing video games.
It’s funny how much we as Yankee fans obsess over every little thing. Sometimes it’s good to sit back and remember this is a game after all. With that being said, bottom line the Yankees still control their own destiny and that’s all you can ask for. When the Yanks make the playoffs they can beat any team that’s there including the Angels. Sometimes I wish I could fast forward to October 3rd to see what happens.
So when did the D Rays and Yanks change uniforms?
Phil,
I know that. I mean usually YES will update you during the game when someone is taken out because of a injury.
Six runs in one inning!
C’mon Yanks, you know you can do it!
I think…
…right?
7 runs – here we come!
6 run rally squirrel, where are you?
Yeah, two outs from being six back in the east. Not how I wanted to spend my Sunday.
What will the Yankees take out of this series for the next time they face the D-Rays on September 25-27 ?
They had better be jacked ’cause it’s the last 3 games the D-Rays play at home this year.
What’s that? Jeter is at 0-2 again? No!
The East doesn’t matter to me long as we make the playoffs. 6 back in the East is much better than being 6 games out of a playoff spot.
double or nothing Jetes gets a golden sombrero …any takers ?
Two questions:
1) Does Jeter need another day off?
2) Does today’s game qualify?
Anyone got any good laptop jokes? I’m all out.
I don’t care if we’re 10 games up in first place, but losing to the worst team in the league is never a good thing.
If this isn’t the worst game of Jeter’s career, it probably comes close.
Sigh. Oh well, could have been a lot worse. Keep your heads up guys…remember it is all about getting in, and we still have a 2 game lead in WC.
If Abreu’s to play Phelps here, we need a homerun.
This was one of the worst games of Jeter’s career…it looks like the rest of the team took their lead from the Captain today. I am sure it wont stop any of them from enjoying their Sunday night in the city.
I’m going to be dreaming about Carl Crawford all night
***20***
We can also put Navarro and Pena in our nightmares along with Crawford.
or not
dontfirecash
September 2nd, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Anyone got any good laptop jokes? I’m all out.
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Who is Clay Buchholz
We have a knack for playing poorly after playing the Red Sox. Remember in 2004 when we swept the Red Sox(the last game was the famous Jeter into the stands catch, etc.) then got swept by the Mets? Bear in mind, the Mets weren’t very good in 2004.
The truth is, if TB is the worst team in the league, this is a damn good league. This is a good rebuttal to any talk about there being too many teams in the league and not enough talent to go around. I’m impressed by Tampa Bay, frankly.
lolz, now the trolls come back out after being MIA for 3 days while we manhandled their team. Gotta love it.
_If this isn’t the worst game of Jeter’s career, it probably comes close._
I don’t think you can isolate this to just Jeter….
Let’s go Oakland. Don’t let the fact that Robertson’s perfect through 3 on 28 pitches get into your head.
Hope Gamer Clemens can go tomorrow. We can take care of Seattle, more worried about the Tigers.
Historically, Jeter always has a bad game the day after Michigan loses to a Division I-AA powerhouse like Appalachian State. What Andy Philips didn’t realize is that when he teased Jeter, it hurt. It really hurt.
ok well guys i just got a call from clay, we got a laptop heist going at 3 best buys, i’m gonna go get rusty and the rest of the gang.
LOL!
peffect game gion on in okland
Late arriving to the party but I want to comment on Pettitte in the 7th. I think it’s a debateable call. He struggled mightily in the 6th, yet Joe obviously trusts him to battle as he has a history of it.
The bigger issue is the fact that we have no lefties in the bullpen. If there was a reliable lefty Pettitte probably would have been out earlier. The Rays had a few lefties in a row up and Joe didn’t want to use the righties in that situation. With rosters at 40, there is no excuse not to have a lefty here even if it has to be Kei Igawa.
Another Torre loss. Petitte barely got out of the 6th inning and was over 100 pitches so what does he do..he lets him pitch the 7th..He had to take him out after Navarro got a hit to lead off the 7th inning..but ofcourse not. Ramirez can not get major leaguers out. His 80 mph fastball that he never locates is not going to get major leaguers out. His 1 pitch changeup is not going to do it. Batters see it enough in the majors and they will hit it. Yanks bats failed to show up again, they make another pathetic pitcher look great. If they dont score 9 runs then they score 1 or 2.
Jeter looks absolutely dreadful at the plate. Besides the 4-4 against Boston , I dont even remember the last time he had an xbh or looked good at the plate. Maybe he needs even more days off. Since when did Jeter inherit Canos strike zone? Or even worse then Cano. He has absolutely ZERO patience at the plate and swings at everything in sight.
If Oakland’s not going to have the decency to win this game, then I would love a perfect game from a guy who started the day with a 5+ERA. Then we can stop hearing about the rookie. (not saying he doesn’t deserve the kudos, just sick of it here.)
O.K. 4-0 Detroit, let’s go Robertson.
CaptainsCorner Ramirez can’t get MLB hitters out yet he has 20 strikeoouts explain your logic ?
Jeter has a knee problem. He blocked that out and hit well against Boston. Although, I must say he hasn’t been working the count. Why not get on Alex for all his pop-ups? He’s not driving the ball like he was in the beginning of the season. See? We could pick on every guy on the team, but it’s fruitless.
and what the F is the deal w/ the doomsday feeling here ?
it’s game 137 ! it wears on your body we were 14 games under .500 at one point and now we are 16 games over w/ a 2 game lead in the Wild Card. Jesus excuse me if they can’t play perfect ball all year, we only played what 10 games w/ no breaks a day night and a 3 AM game onto a 1 P.M. game, they’re a little worn out especially after putting 100 % effort in sweeping Boston, they’ll bounce back this is a season your rotation your lineup are not machines, these are human beings aches and pains, muscle strains 137 games played so far and it happens to every team.
If not for IPK this would have been a D-Ray sweep in the Yankees yard….unforgiveable.
They should kiss the asses of the Blue Jays for sweeping Seattle or this would look even uglier than it is. Time and games are running out and no urgency ?
the problem with Ramirez is that it seems to be one or the other: a strike out or a home run.
Since his last promotion he’s surrendered at least 4 HR’s that I can think of.
That alone should not disqualify him from the major leagues. But it certainly doesn’t inspire confidence or rank him among the Yankees’ few reliable relievers.
I’d still like to see the Yankees afford Ohlendorf an opportunity.
Kill Schilling it’s an adjustment and Ohlendorf would have to go through the same thing Ramirez will bounce back he’s either dominant or on the verge of a HR per bat. Ramirez has alot of upside and is just 26. This is like a rookie season for him.
edwar has a 7.11 ERA… the ynaks gave up I think 23 runs against tampa this series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!23 runs….
cano had 1 good ab, this series, when thye were donw 8 to 2 in the 8th inning of game 3…
detroit has a easy schedule the rest of the way.. cleveland and seattle have much more difficult schedules..
the yanks are 12 and 19 combined against tampa and baltimore………….that is a DISGRACE………..
BBB,
That was the Yanks World Series against the Red Sox last week. The Sox don’t care about the Yanks. They know that the Angels will take care of them in the 1st round! (if they even make it in, which I doubt they will if they can’t eben beat Tamp bay!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH)
Nice try though…..nice try!
ZZZZZZZ.
KidYankee,
what the hell are you talking about ?
Just got back from the game. In one word Brutal.
Anyway what is the story with Andy? Is there any word of what is wrong.
I have found the silver lining. Joba is now available for 2 games against Seattle. If we sweep them, we could pretty much bury them.
Jenny Craig- Might I remind you that the BloSox won the World Series in 04 via the wildcard.
What is pothetic??
I need an idiot translator.
I wanted to see Joba today:(
Jennifer Andy was left in too long he’s been a stopper most of this season one bad inning doesn’t change that. Chalk it up to one of those days, we played 137 games this season and it starts to wear on you when you have to comeback, they’ll bounce back.
Really, I don’t understand the knee-jerkiness of you guys. I don’t. The best baseball teams lose 60 games per season. The worst win 60 games every season.
In any given game, the best hitters can go 0-3; the worst hitters can go 5-5; the best pitchers can walk 6 and allow 5 runs; the worst pitchers can pitch 6 innings of shutout ball.
Just because there is a random confluence of these events (like losing 2-of-3 to the worst team in the AL) doesn’t mean the players ‘didn’t show up today’ implying that they didn’t try hard for whatever reason. Of course they’re trying hard. Maybe they’re not trying smart, but that’s a different argument.
It doesn’t mean the players lack ‘fire’ or ‘grit’ or whatever. It means they had one of probably 30-35 bad days that players with the talent level of the Yankees’ starting lineup have over the course of the season.
Sure, it’s frustrating to lay an egg like the Yanks did this weekend; all that matters is that they are still playing baseball in October and, right now, their odds of being there are very good.
I can’t get over some of the casual fans’ irrational reactions to a bad game, as if Jeter goes 2-for-4 every game, or as if no bullpen pitcher ever gives up a run.
When you’re looking at the big picture, things are mostly good with this team. It’s a shame so few do.
SOrry I Meant Phillips.
jennifer- The only thing worng with Andy is that Joe shouldnt have sent him back out there. He blew up in that last inning and he was already over 100 pitches. At that time its a 2-1 game. He could have brought in Edwar. I know, he let up homeruns but if its a close game who knows what happens. He sent Andy out there after he pulled a Houdini and got out of a bad jam with only one run scoring.
Andy had an mri, contusion on the wrist awaing further clarification.
Tigers are in the run for the wild card
Sorry Jennifer. When I hear Andy I have to automatically assume Pettitte.
Jeter looked terrible, swinging at the high pitch out of the zone.
Jennifer yahoo says he has a right wrist contusion and is getting a precautionary MRI exam and CT scan
I hope is wrist is okay.
He finally got into a nice groove this year. I hope there is nothing wrong. 
I don’t think a contusion is that bad, so hopefully thats all it is and he’ll be back soon.
I just hope there isn’t any internal damage to the wrist. with ligaments or anything.
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Think about that you sniveling dogs from SoSH.
me too jennifer.
I have not rad SOSH but the fans that jamesd describes are pathetic people who live through their baseball team and are unable to just enjoy the sport. That said read James Caple last week in ESPn where he wrote a nice column on Sox fans called “Shut Up, Red Sox Nation.
WELL SAID KEVIN!!! This team was nowhere to be found a month ago now they are 2 games up in the wild card race. They have a boatload of young talent both here and on the way and everyone is ready to cash in their chips. The same goes for Hughes. This kid is for real…Every scouting publication drools over him every scout praises him every team wants him when the Yanks talk trade. Give him time to strengthen his legs and right his machanics and he will be the Ace for years to come. We are all watching a future dynasty in the making. At the same time we are watching a team in the playoff race. How many teams fans can say that?
What are you doing here? Should you be posting on SOSH?
Todd Jones once again proves he’s horrible!
Hell yeah!
A’s tie the game 7-7 in bottom of the 9th, 2 run shot.
1st and 2nd, 0 outs for A’s
Do this Oakland.
Bases Loaded, No outs. I can’t believe this.
2nd and third for oakland, sac fly will win it…
Love the ironies. I never thought I’d be cheering so vociferously for Mike Piazza.
Piazza sucks. I can’t believe it. the old Yankee killer strikes again.
Piazza has the audacity to GIDP.
Man do I dislike him…
shoot. extra innings. I can’t believe it.
Well, at least 3 outs ago we would have taken extra innings. Let’s think of it that way.
Oh,
and I hope Mike Pizza dies.
UGH Oakland.
Back to reading.
And by Pizza I meant Piazza. Although I am kinda hungry now.
rebecca, can you IM me as soon as the game is over? I have to go take tsuris from my parents.
Kill Schill: If by IM you mean text, I’d be happy to oblige
yes, yes. I always confuse the two. i don’t have any aol or msn messenger anyway.
thanks, beck.
never mind, I saw it. Athletic WINS!!!!!!!!
Yeah, baby, this awful series against TB hurts a little less.
*oakland beats Detroit in 10*
Damn, we got real lucky there….
Detroit fans are absolutely livid. They’re jumping up & down – boiling mad.
Torre loyalists?
Give me a break. That is precisely the reason Torre shouldn’t come back. These veterans are far too comfortable with Torre, similar to an old pair of shoes.
It’s time these guys played for a manager who kept them on their toes.
If they don’t like it, they can leave, but of course they won’t.
You really need to stop cheerleading for Torre, Peter.
The laptop line is funny, but a little sad.
Because the Buchholz kid has already accomplished more than you ever will.
Pena kills the Yanks on Friday and then kills the Yanks today. The only legitimate HR hitter on the DRays kills the Yankees twice in 3 days. Even if the bullpen did not have a lefty to pitch to Pena it was obvious to me Pettitte was laboring. Bring in Vizcaino who can get lefthanders out.
I have to put some blame on Guidry too. “We will not let Carlos Pena beat us again” is what Guidry should have made every pitcher recite before today’s game. This game was a disaster and Joe Torre and Ron Guidry should take the blame.
I saw the no-hitter and I have to say that the strikeout of Markakis was questionable. It looked low but it was too close to take. Markakis should never take a called third strike for a no-hitter. Swing the bat and see what happens. Roberts who never strikes out was swinging all the way. Patterson was swinging and hit the ball hard right at Crisp.
I loved the laptop line – its one of many reasons why you are one of the greatest sportswriters in America and part of a new bread of hybrid journalists/online bloggers.
The Bucky kid looks like a punk to me. Anyone who breaks the law should be in jail, not pitching in the major leagues. You would never see Casman/Torre allow something like this to happen on their watch.
Also, does ESPN mention the laptop theft in their columns? No way, how about some fair and balanced reporting from them.
Also, its clear that the Sox had the umps in the bag, Joe West hates the yanks. That ball was clearly not a strike, not even close. Maybe if it had been a ball, his pitch count would have gone up and he wouldn’t have had all of this publicity?
Pete, Any thoughts on starting another blog? I think all the negative posters need their own spot to complain. I don’t think some people realize that the best teams still lose 40% of the time.
So true, Boston Dave.
We should have one blog for people whose only comments about the Yankees are:
“Great job.”
“No, really great job”
“No, no really, really great job.”
Because we all know that Torre is infallible and we shouldn’t dare criticize him. After all, he has four rings.
Thanks for the terrific suggestion.
I have been a Yankee fan for over 40 years so I am not a Boston fan beating on the Yankees. That being said is it just me or do the Yankees pamper their prospects. This Joba rule thing is crazy. Look at the Boston prospects they play and they are playing well too. Hughes was shielded all the way since the day the Yankees signed him. He was pampered and kept away from situations that would have challenged him. Now he is in the majors and some failure has come his way and is it me or is he not ready for this. I hope he is not a mental case brought on by shielding him for the last few years.
get off the guy for stealin laptops
Nice comment about a young kid trying to get his life together and who is a much bigger success than anyone here will ever be. It is obvious Peter was trying to be “cute and funny” but it was really pathetic. I am looking forward to the jokes about herpes and the mentally retarded next (a subject Peter and Yankees fans seem to have personal experience with).
no professional journalist would ever make a comment like that… and some scumbag fans really loved it too. What a class act all around.
I hope someone else writes a story about Peter’s painful rectal itch so we can all have a big laugh about that. I also DARE YOU to leave this post up!
Zzzzzzzzzz.