this is wild. . at this point i would rather roger miss pointless games against tampa bay then miss a huge playoff game. .roger is important to this lineup and has the experience we need to win the big games. . igawa will rebound and pitch 5 solid innings
It’s not a total surprise to me that the Rocket isn’t pitching in this series. Pitching on the turf could have easily done more damage to his hamstring. It’s probably a good idea to wait and let him pitch in Camden Yards.
I just hope that Igawa’s not doing his four? hour-long workout before the game. I don’t know how it can possibly help him to do all of that running before the game. It worked for him in Japan, but it hasn’t worked here yet. I believe that Tampa Bay is a good matchup for him, because they have some free swingers who swing at a lot of bad pitches. I predict that he throws six solid innings and holds the D-Rays to two runs. He’ll also strike out seven.
Great they have the disaster Igawa pitching tonight. So now the Yanks wont get to clinch and celebrate until tomorrow unless the twinkies help them out. If I was Torre I would DH Arod and give Matsui or Abreu the day off. Unless they score 10 runs they arent going to win anyway and the last time Cy Young lefty Hammel pitched against the Yanks they didnt touch him. I would rather of gave Clippard, Wright or Karstens a chance then see this loser again. Maybe Clemens shouldnt be playing on the field with his kids if the old man is hurt. Hughes better get prepared to pitch in the play offs because it is becoming obvious that the Yanks are not going to be able to count on Clemens being healthy when he is ready to pitch.
when igawa has to much time to plan and think about his gameplan he struggles. . he has had time to work on his mechanics and should hopefully provide some quality innings. im not saying he wont find trouble but he has potential to be a decent 5th pitcher in a rotation. Tampa bay is a dangerous hitting team so this obviously wont be a walk in the park for him. 4 earned runs in 5 innings is a decent prediction from igawas current stats.
ps magic number 7 games. . . . .for the packers to seal a playoff spot in the nfc. . lets go green bay
I’m probably alone, but I think this is good news. I couldn’t understand why there were going to run Rocket out there with even a twinge in his hamstring in the first place. Why risk it? Let him rest up for the post-season.
I’m sure this has a lot more to do with Detroit losing last night rather than Rocket’s hamstring being worse than originally thought.
Everybody’s favorite flying monkey goes for the clinch.
Luckily, the format of the playoffs will allow clemens to get plenty of rest between starts. I just hope he has a few more starts left in that cranky old body of his. If rocket is good in october, he’s worth all the money in the world.
how ironic is it if igawa is the winning pitcher if the yankees clinch a playoff spot tonight?
i would have liked to watch clemens tonight, but it’ll be must see tv with igawa going. if there was a pool two months ago on who would be the winning pitcher when the yankees clinch, igawa would have had to have been at the bottom of the list.
i’m still curious about him as a pitcher. he was too good in japan to be this bad. i’m not saying he should be great here. i’m just saying he should be able to have 4.75-5.25 era for a whole season if he got his head on straight and found a pitching strategy that took advantage of what talent he has.
Looking back, I can’t help but wonder if it was a bad sign for Clemens that his first start of the year was pushed back due to a groin injury. He’s battled so many ailments this year, and I really hope that he can bounce back and deliver in the playoffs and give himself a fitting career curtain call.
Randy – I was thinking the same thing. Can the scouts have just been that far off with him? We knew he was no Matsusaka, but he was a strike-out machine in Japan, wasn’t he? SJ44, what do you make of Igawa?
It looks like they will be dealing with the same thing that happened with Johnson and Brown. 2 old farts with bad backs who werent healthy said that they were, took the ball and then got smacked around and gave the team nothing. That is why Hughes on the roster is important and if Kennedy is healthy to have 2 fill ins for Mussina and or Clemens if they implode. Hopefully not, but at this point they dont know what they are going to get from him. He came out of a play off game with Houston because of a groin injury.
I’m not convinced that Tampa Bay is a great matchup for Igawa. Granted they lead the league in strikeouts, but they are also 3rd in homers and 5th in walks. So Igawa will strike out 9, walk 5 and give up 3 homers. The Yanks will rally against the Tampa Bay bullpen for an 11-10 win.
I think Igawa was a 46 million dollar overrecation to not getting Dice-K.
All of the Japanese pitchers are overrated. People fall victim to the hype and start frothing after players who aren’t as good as the hype.
We see it with Dice-K. He’s a 100 million dollar #3 pitcher, at best. That’s all he is.
All of the ridiculous hyped spewed by the ESPN crowd over Dice-K (“He’s the next Pedro. He’s a pitching savant”, etc) was laughable.
One thing we know. Just because you spend 100 million dollars on a player (Dice-K, Zito, etc) doesn’t make them a superstar. It just makes them overpaid.
There are certain guys who are worth the money. Johan Santana after next season, for example. Others are not. Dice-K falls into that catagory.
He’s just not that type of pitcher. Add to it, the longer season and the fact he has a 32 year old arm (due to the amount of pitches he has thrown in his career) and you have a guy vastly overpaid for the production he has given the Red Sox.
Ironically, this is probably going to be his best year. Historically, Japanese pitchers decline quickly as they get older.
Igawa? A guy who can’t pitch down in the zone and has average stuff. IMO, his best/only shot to ever make an impact in the majors will be if he can turn himself into a lefty specialist out of the bullpen. I don’t see him ever being an effective starter.
I bet the Yankees would love a “do over” on the Igawa deal.
“As it turns out, Dice-K was no Matsuzaka either. ”
over a five year period in japan there wasn’t a huge difference between the two. the big problem that igawa has is velocity or lack there of. matsuzaka doesn’t have much to spare either. matsuzaka does locate better and seems to have a better mental approach. lefties have won with a 89-90 mph fastball and good breaking balls and off speed pitches, but igawa seems like he doesn’t have the composure to put the ball where he wants it. i think it’s as much mental as anything with him. maybe if he gets used to things here in the u.s he’ll relax in the future and pitch his style of game.
at least he’s used to pitching in tampa since he spent half his time there, so maybe he’ll surprise us in a good way tonight.
I bet the Yankees would love a â€œdo overâ€? on the Igawa deal.
Actually they had a “do over” on Igawa when San Diego claimed him. So they still must see something in Igawa if they wouldn’t give away his salary. $4 dollars is still very cheap for a starting pitcher, even if its over the next 4 years.
I think the yankees see him as a bit of a long term project.
Ellen, a strikeout machine he is. His 7.32 K/9 is the best among the team’s starters (just edging Hughes). But his 4.60 BB/9 trails only Karstens, Clippard, DeSalvo and Wright, and his .559 SLG-against trails only Karstens and Wright. mlb.com doesn’t publish HR/9, but a quick eyeballing suggests that Igawa’s 2.17 trails only Wright.
Threads like this are a big part of why I haven’t been posting as often as I used to….
We’re about to clinch a playoff birth today or tomorrow after starting the season 14.5 games back with a record below .500 pretty far into the season and people still can’t stop whining and throwing in the towel because the TEAM is being careful with an crucial piece of its rotation rather than push it with an injury.
We need 1 win out of 6 games against Tampa Bay and Baltimore. I think we can manage that without pushing the issue and losing Clemens for the playoffs.
Who cares if it’s Igawa (and I share the hatred for that “investment”), Wright, etc.. none are great options with Kennedy shut down.
I have said all along I won’t give up on the Division until it’s mathematically impossible, but that doesn’t mean I’d throw away the Playoffs to get there now that we’re 1 game away from clinching the Wild Card. Anything can still happen and Boston’s focus will be much like ours, get ready for the playoffs and let the division fall where it may.
But I do think the yankees see some value in him, and I think they regret posting as much as they did when I believe $10 million less (don’t quote me on that) would have landed him too.
He does strike out a lot of guys and his change up is a plus pitch (if he can keep it down or away) so if they can build some confidence and rework the delivery (which they apparently have done) he could find some success. Oh and lose those dumb shades too, lol.
I said earlier in the year regardless how Kei does this year, he’s a long term project. Well Im now convinced he’s a long long term project, but I do still see some value in him.
Also even if we lose Detroit would have to defeat Garza and Santana in the next two days to stay alive. The yankees are as good as in, so now is as good of a time as any to see what some of these reserve AAAA guys can do. Im actually very intrigued to see what Igawa does tonight.