Ohlendorf expected to be here
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 03, 2007 
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Found out something about Ross Ohlendorf today. He’s a lot like Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes in that he expects to do well. That he was selected to the postseason roster didn’t seem to shock him.
“I prepared myself for it and kept telling myself that I would be so I could prepare for it,” he said.
Still, it’s quite a rise considering he wasn’t on the roster until Sept. 9 and didn’t get into a game until Sept. 11. But the Yankees saw enough in his 6.1 innings to pick him over Edwar Ramirez or Ron Villone.
My take: It’s a great move. Ramirez gets strikeouts with his change but has a below-average fastball that MLB hitters sit on. That he gave up six homers in 21 innings is no coincidence. Ohlendorf, meanwhile, is a true prospect with plus stuff and will make adustments better.
As the Yankees move forward, he is part of their plans and this experience will serve him well.
Jose Veras I’m not so sold on. But who the last pitcher is in the bullpen probably isn’t all that important.
I like what Ohlendorf brings to the table, but I do think it would have been nice to have Villone, only because there are way too many lefty hitters in that Cleveland lineup, and even a less-than-great Villone may have kept one or two of them honest, throught the series.
Not really. Villone has no advantage against lefties simply because he’s a lefty.
I’ll take the right-handers with better stuff because they are more likely to get all hitters out.
I agree! But the potential problem is this O dorf really did not get them here! So, hes really not tested and its a big stage to come of age!
I get more and more anxious and excited as the minutes go by… Lets go Yankees!
For the most part I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Veras.
Colorado just took game one. That’s one team you don’t want winning the NLCS.
I’m excited about Ohlendorf being on the roster, though I thought that players had to be on the MLB roster by Sept. 1 to qualify. Obviously not the case. I’m also interested in that little comment by Peter about his attitude being similar to Hughes and Joba.
Some questions for Peter, or anybody else who might know:
1. Do the Yankees do any psychological screening of their potential draft picks, similar to what the NFL does? If they do, they apparently do a good job of it.
2. Edwar obviously needs a better fastball. Is this something that putting on a few more pounds might remedy?
Ohlendorf pitched against the Red Sox a few weeks ago in the Lion’s Den, so that gave him some experience in a big atmosphere. Everything that I have seen from him has been good. I have good vibes for him in the playoffs.
Rockies win 4-2.
Thanks Pete – your posts today have been great!
Wow – Colorado looks great. Can’t be good for us! But, let’s get there first.
Ok, Red Sox-Angels.
I’m so excited. I love October, especially when the Yanks are involved.
Joe from Long Island: the Yankees could replace Carl Pavano, who was on the 40 man, but obviously could not be used in the playoffs. That’s probably how Ohlendorf got on.
Im so glad Don Orsilo did the Rockies game and not the Sox game.. He use to be a Sox announcer on NESN.. I can’t stand bias telecasting…
Whether they do a formal screening or not, it’s clear that the Yankees seem to be looking for something extra in their draft picks. You can have a lot of “stuff” but if you don’t have the right make-up you’re not necessarily going to go far. All these guys are sure of themselves. They know they belong. Yet they’re not cocky. Very impressive. I wish them all the best during these playoffs. What an amazing year for all of them.
Joe, Ohlendoff wasn’t a drafted by the Yankees he was aquired by the Yanks in the RJ trade. With that being said I do remember hearing a lot of talk about how impressed the Yanks were with how intelligent a pitcher he is. He’s from the Mussina mold of pitchers, he attended Princeton so he must be pretty cerebral.
Andrea, I guess that could do it, but I thought they had already used that spot. In any case, I like that he’s on the team. I think he’ll do well. Boy, this is really a new Yankees philosophy, going with four rookie pitchers on a playoff roster. Plus, two more on the bench.
Re: Andrea.
Yeah, before President K got hurt, that was how we were going to include him.
And by the way, I think I’ve said this before, but I met Ohlendorf in a class when I was a freshman and he was a senior (in the spring of 04). So this is definitely going to be interesting to watch.
Raymagnetic, you’re absolutely right. Kennedy has also been described as in the style of a young Mussina. Not a bad comparison for these guys.
Joe from LI: they mentioned using it for Kennedy. I think everyone else was already on the 40 man before Sept 1.
DMan-
Good call on Orsilo. I thought I recognized the guy as a Sox announcer. He, along with Remy are actually the least homerish of many local announcers out there.
I think they obviously want the Sox to win, but it doesn’t stop them from calling it like they see it. For example, in ther last Gagme blow-up Gagme was glaring in at the ump and Remy called him out for it saying “that wasn’t even close to being a strike”. He does that all the time.
The announcers I really can’t stand are the ones that can do nothing but harp on payroll differential when the Yanks come to town. The Seattle, KC, Minny, and Oakland crews are the worst offenders there.
Gary Matthews did not make the postseason roster for the Angels.
WHAT?!
Or did I just confuse him with Garrett Anderson?
Michael T-
I think for me, it was more that I had to hear him all the time out here in Boston.. So I associate his voice with NESN and Sox announcing and such.
I’m happy that Ohlendorf made the roster. He throws strikes, has a bowling ball sinker and appears to have a good head on his shoulders. Great call.
I don’t quite get Veras though. Something about him just screams “minor leagues” to me. Not sure what it is though – command? My guess is that Torre and the coaching staff have seen enough of Villone and Ramirez and decided to roll the dice. Too bad, I was really pulling for Edwar, but his Sept. meltdown put him on ice.
Rebecca: I think Garret Anderson is the one that’s scary. He’s the one that had the 10 RBI in one game a while back. Both are pretty good though.
Well Gary Matthews is no Garrett Anderson, but he was the Angels starting CF.. So, still a pretty big loss for the Angels..
Rebecca,
I believe Gary Mathews has a bum knee.
Does anyone know what happend to Matthews? I think I heard something about his leg or ankle. While you shouldn’t wish for anyone to be injured, his absence would definitely be a plus for us should we meet them in ALCS.
Ok, thanks guys! I was confusing Anderson and Matthews…and yes, I know Matthews had a bum knee, ut to not even make the roster?
Gary Mathews Jr. broke his leg during winter ball last year and has yet to fully recover.
My concern about the bullpen is what do we do if a starter blows up in one of the first two games. Would Torre really bring in Hughes for extended innings given that Clemens may end up giving nothing in game 3?
Villone, at least could eat a few innings. I guess Odorf can too, but that still doesn’t leave much.
You should have no need to be concerned. If there is an injury, you can replace that player on the roster during the series. Veras can give innings, if absolutely needed.
I don’t think I’m going to be able to watch this game. It’s on in the background right now and I’m having a hard time even listening to all things Red Sox-related. Like when I thought I could handle watching that movie (you know the one, with Jimmy Fallon) on an airplane and wound up being completely neurotic! I think I’ll just flip back and forth to it and if the Angels are winning, I’ll keep it on, but if the Red Sox take a lead, no way can I stomach it. I never realized how much I dislike the Red Sox.
I think that’s a problem that the Yankees have a SuperSecret^tm^ solution for…
Joe,
They showed video on TBS. He jumped for a fly ball that was way over his head. When he came down, he crumpled over.
Doreen,
LOL. “Boston’s here for the 4th time in 5 years and trying to erase the pain from last September. The Angels are here for the 4th time in 6 years”
What will they say about the Yankees? “The Yankees are here for the 13th straight year and are trying to erase the pain of Alex’s postseason performances?”
Justin -
Another Tiger on Pete’s blog? Who would have thunk it? Which class were you in?
Ross majored in Operations Research, focusing on finance. (I think his undergrad thesis was on the economics of baseball.)
Pete – you might want to ask him about your 401K.
Rebecca – congrats on the (now not so) new blog!
On other baseball news, Walt Jocketty is out as GM of the Cards – one year after winning it all:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltod.....enDocument
Maybe that stuff about Jocketty and LaRussa heading to Seattle IS true after all
Scooter–Thank you! It’s the one month anniversary =D
I thought I had read in another post that somebody said Figgins was not on LA’s roster? Well, there he is in the game. Did I misread that?
Wolf in Pinstripes- I also saw that on another post. Maybe he has a twin.
I just graduated in June, so 2007.
Yeah, my dad goes “you know, his thesis was on baseball and economics.”
And I go, “I know.”
Dad: “Did you read it?”
Me: “No…”
Dad: “I thought you liked baseball!”
My Dad amuses me.
I could remember back in spring training when just about every Yankee fan hoped Villone wouldn’t go north w/Yanks. I still think he’s shot. Go home Ron!!!
(I know it was specifically on the draft, but that’s what my dad said.)
I’m really surprised about Jockety leaving St. Louis. You never know what the real story was, but I think he did a good job there, with a shoestring budget. Maybe LaRussa will follow him, even if it means splitting from Duncan, though Duncan reportedly has only one year left on his contract, and with enough lawyers he could probably leave anyway.
Ewwwwww
Puke-llis solo shot.
BOS 1 – 0 LAA
Well, that didn’t take long.
That didn’t take long 1-0 Boston
Is it me or is the sound a little off on TBS?
Darn darn darn. I really don’t like Youkilis.
First time that I’ve heard Steve Stone in a while. WGN let him go several years ago for being too critical of the Cubs.
Does anyone else think Shelley should DH tomorrow against CC?
Do you guys really want to play the Angels? They still scare me more than the Sox do. I can’t root for the Sox, but I’m not, like, angry when the Sox win here. Ya know?
Not a bad rule change imo…
Justin – Can we root against both of them?
Well… Lori, in theory, yeah. But… in practice, during this series? Not really.
We could choose not to care. But here we are commenting on the first inning of the first game.
So I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Lori:
You mean, a series that goes all five games, extra innings in all of them, starters and ‘pen WIPED?
Yah. I can feel that.
Yeah Justin exactly.
Angels are such a pesky team. Steal too many bases. Run too fast. I don’t like playing against them.
Matsui does not have good #’s off CC, I think 0-9, but Joe must know something.
Can someone post an article that says kennedy is out of the alds roster due to back problems and that he may start in the ALCS? I cant find any recent article that talks about kennedy, his back problems, why he isnt on the roster, that he may play in the ALCS or anything of that nature.
Lackey is already sucking. I thought they should have starter escobar for the first game. Lackey has been their “ace� the last couple of seasons but i never thought he was all that great. Escobar has a career yr and always had the stuff to be an ace – he finally showed it this yr. Missing Colon is really hurting the angels. Colon, Lackey and Escobar sounds so much tougher than Lackey, Escobar and Weaver.
as far as im concerned, shelley duncan should have no business starting a playoff game over giambi and matsui
Hey friends…. Mike Silva at “NY Baseball Talk Radio” is doing a show right now, railing the Yanks and declaring the Indians as the champ already – he’s having me on as a guest, I’ll be on in a few mins if anyone wants to call in and support the yanks!
link is on my site or: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nybaseballtalk
Dave: just scroll through Pete’s old posts and Pete’s old article’s. He’s said it a whole bunch of times.
Yankees Chick: Make sure you put him right!
Luigi… I’ve gotta say I agree… I know he has good numbers in certain match-ups, but the sample size is so small its hard to justify that. I do love Shelley though and think he’s proven himself to be a great option off the bench.
Luigi, the only one that duncan could prolly play over if a lefty is starting is mienky but since wang is starting, melky is playing first and we are pretty much giving sabathia a free out as mienky is batting 200 against lefties. If it worth it to play mienky over duncan? Considering wang’s groundball ratio and the fact that mienky is one of the best first baseman in the game I would say yes. You dont wanna give away outs but if their is any situation in which u should start mienky at first against a very tough lefty, it would be one in which wang is on the mound. And Duncan isnt a HUGE prospect or HUGE bat so it really isnt worth it to sacrifice defense for him. I just dont really know why duncan is on the roster at all. I cant really see a situation in which he would play. I dont think torre would ever play duncan over matsui and I DONT blame him. Matsui hit lefties extremely well and has established himself as one of the most consistent hitters in the game today. The lineup is really NOT surprising whatsoever. The entire roster isnt very surprising I could have guessed it.
Dave- I remember reading that Kennedy was being sent to Tampa for rehab; wedding 10/6; possibly inclusion in 2nd round.
Who thinks philly even has a shot now to win the series? Cole Hamels is there only good pitcher including all the rest of their starters and their pen and they lost the game he started. Now, they will have to hit their way to the NLCS- Not the route u want to take in the post-season. But if there was any team in the post-season u can do that off of it would be the rockies who also have absolutely no pitching but a solid closer.
Lackey is totally off right now. Id rather the sox win anyway. We can beat the sox. We never beat those damn angels.
Dave,
You can go to yankees.com, nydailynews.com, nypost.com, Pete’s previous posts, all of the YES announcers and Kim Jones have mentioned it, or ESPN.com to find out about Kennedy.
I’ll probably get killed for this but I miss Fox postseason baseball.
I like Buck and I miss the Fox Baseball tune.
Don’t miss McCarver though.
Alright- kennedy better be on the roster over veras in the ALCS – U have to take ur best staff to the ALCS and he is 50 times better than veras and ohlendorf, farnsy and viz for that matter. Id rather have an injured kennedy than a healthy farnsworth on the mound.
NICE throw on that caught steeling!!!
Yeah, but he sure looked safe…
Wow, Dave…you’ve posted about Kennedy and asked about his ALDS exclusion on at least the last three threads and you finally believe us? Thankfully your Kennedy odyssey is over. LOL
phil, i watch every game and have scrolled thru the last 20 articles on yankees.com and have seen nothing about why kennedy isnt on the roster for the ALDS. I heard everyone talk about the back problems weeks ago but not recently. Pete just said he would possibly be in the second round. I just want to know if he is out cuz he is injured or because of his wedding at this point. I remember a week ago pete posting that kennedy was feeling good and rehabbing in tampa and wouldnt be shut down for the post season.
Phil – Dave is a man on a mission….
sorry phil but its not over – i love kennedy, hughes and chamberlain and I want them all to be on our roster so they have experience for the future. You know all three of them will be starting for the yanks in the playoffs next yr.
Dave, we’ve answered you numerous times. Enough already. Use Google. I just typed “ian kennedy alds roster” and the answer came up right away.
is it thursday yet
Dave: it’s been said pretty much since he was shut down that he’d be shut down until at least the ALCS. Maybe not the moment he got hurt, but once they started figuring out what was going on. It’s definitely been in Pete’s posts and/or articles.
sorry phil I’ll stop. I think im just getting antsy…No baseball for four days makes me crazy.
all the articles say he isnt in the ALDS because of his wedding – dammit!
bottom line: Kennedy’s not on the ALDS roster. Why he’s not on it is not your concern. Shhhhh.
Dave – take deeeeeep breaths. It will be okay.
okay so it seems like its both but he will definitely be on the ALCS roster … that relieves me.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21107577/
andrea – everything yankees is all of our concerns especially is it impacts their playoff roster. Come on now
No, Dave, he will not definitely be on the ALCS roster. That decision will be made after he rehabs and depends on the next matchup. What is wrong with you?
You people all need to get a life Is dancing with the stars on tonight
And, no, Dave, his wedding has zero to do with him not being on the roster. It is an off day in the series and he would have been able to fly back and forth and not miss a game.
You say you watch all of the games…Kay and the booth have discussed this numerous times…what games are you watching?
Have you even read this board before today? It has been discussed ad nauseum.
Joe M – They SO made that beautiful Cameron Mathison sweat it out last night on DWTS!!! LOL
Sorry, but none of us can wave a magic wand and make Kennedy appear on the ALDS roster.
Here’s the thing though. If Torre decided to put Pavano on the post season roster, I would see why it would be incessantly questioned. But you’ve been asking about Kennedy for days, and we’ve been telling you for days, you just choose not to accept it. Pete has said he’s out til the ALCS, all the interviews have said he’s out til the ALCS. They have said it’s because of his back. Maybe they’re covering for him and it’s really because of his wedding, but bottom line, he’s a starter, and there’s only enough room for so many starters and he doesn’t have any experience out of the bullpen anyway. Why not wait until the longer series when you might need him anyway?
I don’t want to argue with you and I’m not trying, you just seem to be getting upset and there’s no need
And what do you mean no baseball! there was a perfectly good Phillies vs. Rockies game on….no?
why so mean to Dave? he’s an excitable fan
let’s be nice to each other… we’re Yankees fans!
thanks phil ur the best!
Wow, i didnt realize torre was really contemplating benching matsui for duncan. I thought he was going to bench mienky for duncan. You cant bench matsui with his numbers against lefties for a guy with 30 something plate appearances in the majors.
Now, that guy BR needs to prove to me that the yankees wont put hughes and kennedy in the pen at the same time, that hughes will only pitch in relief of Moose and that kennedy will only pitch in long relief. Somebody actually posted all that.
She is hot
I like the GEICO commercial that has the cabbage patch kid reviving his “career” on a “celebrity dance show.”
Have never watched DWTS,though. But I do know that guy from SBTBell, Mario? (My daughter used to love that show.)
Anyway, as you can tell, I’m trying to avoid the game. Just heard something unpleasant.
Wow, it’s amazing. I want a Yankees-Sox ALCS, because it just feels right, but I still can’t like David Ortiz.
No way, no how.
Joe – errr….Cameron is a guy – “link”:http://www.cameronmathison.net/images/index1.jpg
Doreen: me too. I love that commercial. What’s his name? Ben something?
I’m more into Jane Seymour she is a real Lady
I meant no yankees baseball. One of the articles said if healthy, he will be on the ALCS roster. You guys are being pretty mean, thanks yankees chick – they just dont understand me. Im not upset – i just want kennedy to get some post season experience and I want the yanks to have the best possible rotation that they can have. Hughes doesnt have much experience coming out of the pen but he is in the pen for the post season. Why not kennedy? I watch every game but no i dont read all the comments sections for every thread. I dont have the time. I post comments when there is no baseball usually cuz i get bored and i want to have something to do with the yanks. No need to be obnoxious tho.
Phew. I can’t listen to the game anymore. Steve Stone is mixing everybody up. He mistook Lowell for Youkilis and Ortiz for Ramirez.
Joe – Yes, she is. Her mother passed away, I think I read, so she had to miss last night’s show.
Andrea –
I don’t know. I’ll just have to pay more attention next time!
Rebecca: Not me. Tired of Boston-NY drama. I know that’s sacrilege, but it’s just so tedious and it adds more tension to a situation that’s tense to begin with. Maybe I just have too much stress in my life….
It’s all right, Dave. We will have some real baseball to watch at this time tomorrow night!! I’m pumped up as well!!
whew – red sox are handling the angels so far.
J-Dawg
It’s only going to get worse when tomorrow night one of the announcers says something stupid that as Yankee fans we know isn’t true.
They’ve got Lackey’s number tonight.
Dave: I think Hughes is more here right now as a replacement for Clemens if he can’t make his start, or if Moose gets into quick trouble, but i don’t know if anyone really wants to admit that.
I’m not trying to be mean, but you keep asking why isn’t Kennedy on the ALDS roster, and we keep saying he’s still hurt, they’ll consider him for the ALCS roster, as per articles/blog entries by Pete.
I was kidding about the Phillies/Rockies game.
Dave – I guess you’re not watching the Red Sox-Angels game, either? I’m listening. Or half listening. I’m waiting for 8 o’clock so I can change the channel. Oh, wait, is Scrubs on now? Maybe I can put that on. I’m serious.
Doreen–I know what you mean, but something tells me we don’t get a ring till we get through Bostons.
Either way, the prospect of facing either Boston or LAA isn’t very enticing, and we still have to get through the Indians!
Wow, who could’ve guessed it. Lackey continues to get rocked by the Red Sux
Strictly fan-wise, I’d rather face the Angels. There’s no real drama there.
Yes, watching this game isn’t exactly giving me warm fuzzies.
Nothing kills an inning better than a little shot of Nancy Drew ! LOL !
Rebecca, I know, I know.
At this rate, it’ll be 8-0 Boston in the 5th. 1 in the first, 3 in the third. Yuck. I’m resigning myself to another circus. But, I’m getting ahead of things. First there’s Cleveland. Cleveland. Tomorrow evening feels like a year away. There’s too much time off between the regular season and tomorrow.
Enjoy your evenings, folks.
Im watching the redsox – angels game – i comments on it here like 20 mins ago. That they should have started escobar over lackey for game one and that they are prolly hurting without colon on the roster. I just meant i want to watch real baseball aka yankees baseball. Id never root for the sux but id rather face them than the angels in the ALCS. Even without colon, we cant seem to beat those guys – the speed and bullpen always seems to get us in the end.
Why doesn’t Lackey pitch like this against us?
Anyone else want to rip Becketts beard off ?
What kind of beard is that anyway ? It looks like he forgot to wash his face.
I can’t stand Beckett. He’s an arrogant arse.
do u think wang will perform better tomorrow because his parents are coming? It seems like it would provide extra incentive to win especially if this is the first game they have seen him pitch in the mlb live. I hope the yanks payed for those tickets. LETS GO WANG.
And with that Im out – see u guys later and enjoy the mediocre baseball oon tbs tonight
Leave it to the Bston Faithful to claim WS Champs after only LEADING in the first of 11 games you have to WIN to get that ! Totally LMAO !!!
I’m more worried about the Cinderella team, the Rockies, than I am the Sox, Angels or the Indians.
We lost 3 straight against them and they have a potent offense. I know it’s very forward thinking but they can be the spoiler team this year.
Not sure if this was posted already. But page 6 had a blurb that Alex and his wife are expecting.
Are you actually watching the game. I was in another room and it was on, and I was getting sick listening to it. In the space of 5 minutes they must have mentioned 2004 10 times.
One good year does not a legend make. Beckett was dismal last year. Besides the fact I can’t stand his cocky attitude. He’s too arrogant for my blood. I don’t care how good he is. I want the Sox to win so we can kick Beckett’s butt all over Fenway.
just Beckett stand wierd? his calfs go outward, he just looks wierd!
He’s knock knee’d. I can’t wait to kick his butt when we face him in Fenway.
I was hoping that Ohlendorf would get picked but didnt know if they’d take the chance on him. Good move. Veras cant be trusted to throw strikes in a close game so I think he’s basically there to eat innings in a blowout one way or the other. Personally, I dont like Veras at all. He’s as likely to walk the bases loaded as he is to strike out the side but its not like I feel great about the other options.
Even though Duncan doesnt start against CC, my guess is that he’s there to pinch hit for Mientkiewicz if the situation calls for it in the 6th or 7th inning. Otherwise, I dont see him having much action this round.
I’m looking forward to tomorrows game.
I actually like Beckett, He’s the pitcher we should have been going after instead of the half dozen or so that have done little for us. I’d give up 46 & 22 to bring him here.
“I’d give up 46 & 22 to bring him here.”
You sir are smoking crack.
Rocco – Thank you. My sentiments exactly.
Rocco: Not exactly how I’d put it, but the same idea.
I am a little disappointed in Duncan not either DH or 1st base for Game 1….anyone else share my sentiments?
Beckett’s having a career year. He’s lucky to be on the Sox or he wouldn’t be having one. He is better this year than last but I still think he’s over rated.
You are obviously not realists, he’s got 1 less win than the 2 combined, plus he’s 26 or 27 years old. This means he’d be tradable in the long run. Like a younger Roger.
JFW,
Sorry I can’t agree with you on Duncan starting over any one of the veterans. He may be a late replacement but Torre will see what the vets give him first. It all depends on how the game goes.
did the Angels leave their bats in LA or what?
docthump,
He could have 100 wins this year and I still wouldn’t like him. I don’t like his attitude. He’s good this year but look at his career and he’s nothing special. I dislike him as much as I do Pedro. Another arrogant POS.
the Angels look jet lagged!
“did the Angels leave their bats in LA or what”
They are just punching the time clock tonight. Honestly, they have the look tonight of a team that just simply doesn’t want it.
Really wonder if the Yankees would have been better off facing an injury-riddle Angles this time around the playoff.
Vinny, i can’t stand Beckett either; the hair on his face is so annoying looking.
V5743 – Who cares about his personality. Does he bring the wins and the fans? His stats are what counts. Last 3 years are 15 plus wins. Instead of the Yanks wasting my money on getting Clemens who’s last 3 years have been 13, 7, & 6 in wins, lets get some young blood in here to stir things up.
That’s all I’m saying. We can no doubt take the Sox in the ALCS, but let be real and look at the age of our pitchers.
…nineteen straight?
No way.
JFW
Again, instead of what he looks like or what his personality is look at the stats. Everyone eventually cleans up when the come to our team anyway.
Beckett makes me think of a frat boy in a college bar that really isn’t that great looking or have much personality, but he carries himself like he’s God’s gift to women simply because of the frat letters on his chest. It’s that smug look of his mixed in with a healthy dose of “duhhhh….”.
docthomp: really? Sheffield cleaned up when he came to the Yankees? really?
Is anyone as astounded as I am that this is the same team the Yankees can’t beat?
Every time I watch them play the Sux, especially in Fenway, the Angels look like a middling AL team that doesn’t warrant a playoff bid.
Love Ohlendorf. I used to watch him when I was in college. We figured he was destined for Major but no one expected to see him in New York and so soon.
Doc,
To put him in the same breath as “A younger Clemens” is sacreligous. He’s not even close to Clemens in the same time frame of the first 7 years in the majors.
Compare their stats. He isn’t near close.
There is more to what Clemens is bringing to the Yankees than his wins or losses. He is training the younger guys for us as well. You have to at least take that into account.
Beckett is having a career year this year. You wouldn’t have wanted him the way he pitched last year. Gave up 36 HR’s and wouldn’t have been in many games if he wasn’t on the Sox. He won on their backs not on his own merit.
You can have him. I just don’t like him. I don’t care how many fans he brings in.
Wolf,
Good description. He’s an arrogant POS just like Pedro. Another one I can’t stomach.
Pauly One,
I’ve been saying that all along!
Andrea,
Sheff did clean up to an extent. But then again he didn’t last long did he? 3 years? 7 different teams during his career so far? But his best years were with the Yankees.
Look if the player’s attitude prohibits the rest of the team from performing then we cut him loose, Shef is one of these examples. This is Steinbrenners rules, Torre understands this as does the rest of our team. The last ~30 years has shown that this is how the Boss works.
I’m not saying its right or wrong, but it’d be worth bringing Beckett over.
Anyone see this:
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe.....thispage=1
Gives Cleveland the edge at catcher over Posada.
Unreal. NYY will run all over Martinez.
They won’t be the same facing Matsuzaka and Schilling.
Beckett is just nasty this year. One win for the Sox doesn’t mean they are so bad.
I think the Beckett point is kind of moot because I doubt the Red Sox are really willing to let him go.
gosh, i hate him!
Uh Doc, I beg to differ about Sheff. His best years were with the Dodgers and the Braves.
Dude, guys, you MUST check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-M2CBGXXiA
Vinny,
Different AL east back then. Becketts ERA L/Y was 5.0? Clemens 1st year at the Yankees was 4.60. What was your thoughts about Clemens after his first year? Was he an arrogant POS?
Are you judging Beckett on his personality or his stats? Don’t think Beckett could have had a career year with the Yanks on defense?
Rebecca – lol!!
V5742
I stand corrected about Sheff. Braves and Dodgers it was.
docthomp,
You are an idiot. The one thing that keeps the Yankees from becoming the Mets is that they screen who they let in very carefully.
I cannot imagine that moron Beckett on the Yankees for a second.
Congrats to A Rod and wife Cynthia on the future Mini-Rod. That’s potentially two college tuitions down the road, looks like A Rod will need to get a better paying job soon
Great stuff Rebecca.
I can’t believe this jerk is going to succeed in pitching a complete game.
Escobar is going to beat Douche-K tomorrow.
Carson
Thanks for your intelligent input.
Doc, Look at K’s, wins, innings pitched, whip, etc. ALL better than Beckett’s.
Was it baseball way back then ??? If it was baseball then you can compare them. It’s not like we are talking about 1920 here when Ruth played. The game is very much the same and so was the competition.
Just because Beckett is having his career year doesn’t make him a younger Clemens. In fact if you go by the first 7 years, they aren’t close to the same.
You’re trying to compare a 44 year old’s stats to a young stud having his first real career year ? Talk about unbalanced comparison.
Don’t worry guys, the Sox aren’t going to win in LA; this series is going five.
David Ortiz is one large man.
PL u know that martinez is really good hitter even though posada is as good this year, martinez is like a 1st base slugger.
Btw the writer doesnt really give a dam about defense,
did u notice that posada got a lot of pass ball this year any reason why?
I bet Posada’s passed balls have a lot to do with all the rookie pitchers.
Do u guys really want the angels to win?
If they win we probally lose ALCs agisnt them
i want to mute the tv when they talk about Beckett!
Angels are nicked up. GMJ may not play in the next round either.
I think the Yankees can beat the Halos. Remember, in that game Mussina got rocked, the Yankees scored 6 runs against Escobar.
i got to give it to them Manny and papi are great if they were on the yankees we sure would win the world series
Hey thanks for showing up tonight there Angels, way to provide zero entertainment or energy. Its somewhat infuriating to watch a team that kills us all the time, play so poorly against the Sox. Still plenty of time left in the series especially with the roll of the Dice tomorrow night but I think this series was over before it started. Get the Tums out for Yanks-Sox in the ALCS.
Vinny
Enjoying the conversation, but i must attend to the kids, See u on line soon.
They killed him cause he had a big lead that happens most of the time when u get like 7 runs in a inning the other pitcher will likly to get hit hard
I think the Yankees “B” team could have beat the Angels tonight. What a miserable display of non-existance.
If they keep playing like that we have no worries about facing them.
Good enough Doc. Later.
Vinny- not really,They look bad tonight cause lacky gave up the runs early u never see that with the yankees they can never hit lacky
R.Sux win one game. No Matter. I, personally, hope they beat the Angels so we can sweep them and their Division Championship Braggin’ Rights right off to their long winter’s nap…( question: will Papel and Yuck do that stupid dance during for the parade that Bston will give them for winning the division ? ) LOL
Do u guys think that tbs should hire micheal kay to do the broadcasting? Hes the best men for the job
Yank,
Lackey was 1-1 and a no decision against us this year.
He was good against us in the 1st one back in May when we were spiraling downward, decent in the no decision but we scored against him, and we hit him in the third for his loss. He goes long in most his games 7 or 8 innings.
At the end of the season he’s tired and we are in a groove now. Tough call. He’s good but not anything to lose sleep over.
in the game he lose he was on trailing 2-1 in like the 7th inning i think then the yankees got to him in the 8th with 2 runs hes probally tired then
Escobar is better than Dice – K, they will win the next game.
Does anyone think that clemens should start against sabathia, wang against carmona and pettitte against westbrook. We may sacrifice the first game but we would have a much bigger advantage for the second and third which always seem to be the biggest games for us to win anyway. Clemens will prolly either be totally on and pitch five or six innings of shutout ball or be totally off and be out extremely early.
If he is on, we have chamberlain for two and mo for two (as they have had three/four days to rest) and the three of them will pitch a complete game shutout and if he is off, we just put in hughes and play from behind. I always wonder if it is the smartest idea to play our ace against theirs. When u have three strong pitchers, u can switch them around and do the best matchups so we have the most chances to win. As long as wang can come back and pitch the fifth game which he can if he starts on friday, why not? Its certainly a creative idea if nothing else.
Clemens isn’t ready to start against Sabathia.
No way you leapfrog Andy. Especially if we need him to go in game five.
he isnt ready to start tomorrow? Or he isnt ready to start against sabathia? I guess they would have had to make him throw the rehab start earlier this week but it prolly would have been a good idea. We would have such a better shot with the second and third game. At this point, its not realistic but it could have happened a week ago. Next yr, when we have three or four aces, it will be easier to do something like this.
we would have wang go in game five? and he would be on five days rest. What do u mean if we need him to go in game five?
You really need an open mind to agree with this idea. It would be 1. clemens 2. wang 3. Pettitte 4. Moose/Hughes 5. Wang. It could work but it would be very ballsy and if it backfired, the manager would be burned at the stake.
Webb is clearly better than Zambrano but the cubs have a much, much better offense than the dbacks. This is a good game.
That is 5 Complete games against the Angels in a row going back to the 2005 ALCS.
Apparently they are impatient against everypitcher not in a Yankee uniform.
Red Sox will sweep.
Pettitte is an option for game 5 also. He would be on normal rest. It depends on how the Indians handle Wang and Pettitte.
If the Yanks pull out a W tomorrow, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that they sweep Cleveland….The more likely outcome is the Yanks in 4…..No way does Boston sweep the Angels…Put the pipe down…..By the way, Yanks are the Vegas favorite at 5-1……This roster is not exactly what any of us could imamgine back in April…..Hughes maybe……
Offenhauser didn’t have enough innings to show he is as bad as Ramirez and Villone. Is Carl Pavano with the team to lend support and urge them on so he can get a bigger playoff share?
His evil agent could only get him $39,950,000 so he needs the extra money.
Patrick, you say the Angels won’t get swept yet point out to a sweep of Cleveland.
Good thinking lad. The Tribes pitching is dominant compared to the Angles current injured staff.
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I thought hughes would make it for sure and chamberlain would make the major league club at some point as well. I think if it goes to a game five, we will start wang unless he gets hammered tomorrow (god forbid.) I dont think there is anyway pettitte starts game five.
Everyone talks about how good sabathia is against lefties but no one talks about how bad carmona is against lefties – 280 AVG and 350 OBP compared to 240 and 310. This yr its even more drastic 274 lefties to 215 righties. Westbrook also is worse against lefties – lefties have a whopping 370 oBP this yr against jakie compared to 313. After Sabathia, our lefies should have a field day with the next two – thas if the stats dont lie. Wang has to pitch a good game tomorrow i would think because lefties against sabathia 203 AVG 229 OBP this yr compared to 275 310. Although our lefties hit lefty pitching, they may not be hitting this lefty. And wang at jacobs field 0-1 5.1 innings 11 hits 2 walks and 5 runs (8.44 era.) That game wasnt this yr. Career verse cleveland he is 2-1 3.72 era 19 innings 23 hits 6 walks 8 k’s so u take out the one game at jacobs and he is 2-0. The other scary thing is that wang had been hit hard away from the stadium. He does have a 2.66 era and 503 with six plus days rest. 14 walks in 64 innings.
Clemens wouldn’t have been ready to start tomrrow. And you don’t take away the option of starting Wang twice.
Wang at home 2.75 era and away 4.91. Batters hitting 300 360 against wang away this yr and 235 300 at home. One can almost wonder if it would be worth it to save him to go against westbrook in game three at home. And start pettitte for game one and five. Those stats are drastically different and almost scary! I didnt realize he was that off on the road this yr. Wang did not see cleveland at all this yr so no real comparisons since wang started using his slider more and not completely relying on the sinker
ANDREA – I SAID THIS THREE TIMES WANG CAN START GAME 2 AND GAME 5! U DONT LOSE THE OPTION OF STARTING WANG TWICE. And he would be on five days rest. But lookg at wangs stats away from yankee stadium im almost questioning if i want wang to start in game five at jacobs. These numbers are soo drastic i almost want wang in game three in the stadium.
I didn’t read through I thought you were going with the “wang sucks away” theory and suggesting him for game 3.
I have said this before, but everyone is forgetting that one game where Wang allowed like 8 runs in 2 innings in Toronto I think. That severly messes with your ERA. If you take that out, I think he’s ok, ERAwise.
The point is moot anyway. Clemens isn’t ready to start tomorrow.
Man, I hate Beckett. Hes one of those guys on Boston that you just don’t like (Beckett, Papelbon, Youk, Schill, Pedroia tp name a few).
And especially after he called Joba a $%#&. Thats just awful.
Actually andrea its not just one game. He has been pretty pathetic numbers away for his whole career. If you just look through the game log this season, u will see how poorly wang has done away and how great he has done athome. He has one solid away game in detroit on aug 26, one fantastic game in chicago on June 6 iun a complete game effort and another great game in chicago in may. His next best effort was last week at tampa 2 er in 6 innings but four good away games in 14 isnt so great. He had a couple of mediocre ones thrown in but 10 good or better games in 16 at home. I am counting good or better games as wang going 6 or more innings giving up 2 or less runs. Those numbers are hard to ignore. His career numbers at home and away are just as drasticly different as they are this yr.
I know clemens cant start and at this point it doesnt matter but if wang sucks tomorrow, torre will have to think twice now before throwing him back out if they go to cleveland for a game five.
Global my Man,,,,,I think and maybe it’s just a hunch, but if Cleveland goes down at home, Their Ace on the mound, the bright spot lights may very well be overwhelming…As for the Angels ( who I hate & their fans ) they are tough at home, and they’ll just run as if it’s a track meet….Beckett was nails today….The series goes 5, as both clube travel back and forth across the USA……
its funny this yr, wang just silenced detroit both times he played them while sabathia was trounced by detroits bats – ironic.
PeteAbe:
Jose Veras I’m not so sold on. But who the last pitcher is in the bullpen probably isn’t all that important.
I agree, but I think from Torre’s perspective Ohlendorf is the last man on. Veras was pitching the 9th and I think he’ll be used before Ross. Scary.
Also, you gonna collect a nice dinner from Jim Baumbach at Newsday regarding your Bernie Williams bet?
actually wang didnt do soo great against detroit nevermind my last comment
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We all hate Beckett.But hes a big game winner and Lackey struggles AGAIN at Fenway.
Dave: sometimes I just don’t follow what you’re saying. That awful Toronto start aside, Wang’s numbers really aren’t that bad.
“But who the last pitcher is in the bullpen probably isn’t all that important.”
Famous last words.
No surprises in Boston tonight. That will be a very short series.
This is why for the past month I thought all the people hoping and praying for the Indians were crazy. The Angels have NOT played well at all down the stretch and are slumping terribly. Meanwhile, the Indians have been extremely hot.
Why would any rational person want to play a hot team and avoid a cold team? Because of things that happened years ago?
Nevertheless, it is what it is, and the Yanks have to take care of business.
….why are they playing GREASE in the Arizona/Cubs game?
Well, it’s nearly time for tomorrow! Fleetwood Mac once told me, “Don’t stop, thinking about tomorrow, don’t stop, it’ll soon be here, it’ll be, better than before, yesterday’s gone, yesterday’s gone!”
Tomorrow’s here, everyone.
In about 20 hours or so, we will know just how much better Wang is than Sabathia…
Rest up and eat hearty, for tonight, the Optimism Bus rides again!
Guys, have we learned nothing this season than to judge an entire team and an entire series from one game?? Writing off the Angels because they got beat today? Come on, it may be a short series, but Boston still needs 3 to win it.
But, it is now officially Thursday in NY – we play today! We win today! that’s it!
Darrin-
Don’t think you’re smarter than all of us for wanting the Halos. No one was talking about “years ago,” but it’s impossible to ignore an ongoing trend which is that THE ANGELS OWN US. Your point of a hot team vs. a cold team is moot anyways, since the Tigers fizzled down the stretch last year and look at how that worked out.
Yankees lost their final 7 regular season games in 2000, and then ended up winning the World Series. I don’t remember who we played in the LDS or LCS that year, which means either a) my memory is shot, or b) we bulled them over.
Rebecca –
Thank you. It was the A’s in the LDS and the Mariners in the LCS.
Rebecca- In 2000 we beat Oakland in 5 during the ALDS and beat Seattle in 6 during the ALCS. What was impressive was beating the A’s in Oakland to win that series.
MJL and J-Dawg: I know we beat Oakland and Seattle in 2001 in the LDS and LCS, we beat them two years in a row? I’m asking after 2000…
Did anyone else see that ARod and Cynthia are having another kid? I think it’s interesting that he apparently announced it to People magazine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3048257
Yep, ’01 was when we came from 2 games to down to beat Oakland, then we beat Seattle in 5. It’s always tough for me to figure which victory over Oakland is more impressive- 2000 or 2001. In 2000 we lost Game 4 to Oakland, then had to travel to Oakland and beat them one day later. Then the next year, we lost the first two games at home, came back to win Games 3 and 4 on the road, then Game 5 at home. Both feats are highly impressive and speak volumes about the glory days!!
Rebecca –
Yup, two years in a row.
J Dawg-
2001, solely because of the Flip Play.
MJL- Six years later, I still love that play. Only Jeter would have thought to do that. Watching it live on TV, I saw him running in front of the mound toward the first base line, and I said “where’s Jeter going?!?!”
I know, totally out of nowhere. Looked for the clip on Youtube, and of course it’s been taken down by “MLB Advanced Media”, (because why would they want anyone to see one of the greatest post-season plays of all-time? – God forbid they actually spread the history of the game) but luckily found this gem…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq74z_icWY4
And of course this one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHv3hbY8ScQ
Thinking of the 2001 ALDS just reminded me of when Jermaine Dye fouled the ball off of his leg in Game 4. I’ll never forget that awful sound. His mobility never has been the same since the broken leg, although he did make a great comeback from it.
“Nahh Jeter doesn’t do it for me, he looks like the Rock had sex with a Muppet.”
“So, how’s your charity cookbook coming?”
Has anyone interviewed A Rod’s mistress yet to get her reaction over the pregnancy news?
Even this year Anaheim won 6 out of 9 games against this year. I know they are banged up (Vlad the Impaler as DH, Colon out, Figgins hurting, Matthews suffering for HGH side effects) but as Francesa said yesterday “Horses for courses. Anyone you put in those Angel uniforms seems to beat the Yankees”.
Wahey! Pete is on WFAN right now with Tony Paige. Boo Ya. The voice behind the face.
I hear him
It hasnt yet been mentioned how good CMW is against non-AL East teams. He has a 2.56 ERA in 116 IP and 14 quality starts out of 17.
Lineups who dont see his sinker often struggle against him and Cleveland havent seen him all year.
Im expecting a gem from the wangster to set the tone for the series.
The yankees have beaten Carmona twice this year and have shelled Westbrook and Byrd at the stadium.
Im supremely confident the yanks get this done in no more than 4.
It’s good to know that Ohlendorf has a certain swagger about himself. Veras sucks, but I doubt he’ll see any significant action.
Torre should start Shelley Duncan against CC Sabathia because CC kills lefties. Righties hit CC better.
I think, as Chamberlain will move to the rotation next year, Ohlendorf may very well be the most important guy to get the close games to Rivera (who will resign with the Yanks) next year. This experience can only help him and I think he is going to do well.
The trade we pulled off with Arizona was great when Vizcaino started pitching well, even better when Johnson got injured. And now with Ohlendorf as a reliever it looks even better, because with his stuff and control you can tell he´s going to be a very good reliever.
I just heard on 1050 ESPN Radio that the Orioles are talking about trading Erik Bedard to the Mets. YES! PLEASE DO! That’d mean the Yanks would have to face only two bonafide pain in the rear opposing A.L. East starters: Roy Halladay and Josh Beckett. Actually, they would probably draw Bedard once or twice in interleague play, but that’s better than 4-5X/yr. Baltimore would instantly become a perennial 100 or more loss team (they won only 69 games with a solid Bedard this year imagine them without him lol.)
I also read a rumor where Toronto would trade Halladay to Minnesota for Santana then Toronto would trade Santana to an undisclosed N.L. team that wants to win “now” (i.e. in 2008) for a pair or M.L.B.-ready starters as the centerpiece of the trade. The logic behind the trade is twofold:
1. Minnesota would have Halladay through 2010 and Toronto could get more with Santana than Halladay. Also Minnesota would still have a marquee starter going into their new stadium in 2009 in Halladay. I’d think Halladay would welcome the move cuz he wouldn’t have to battle the Yanks and Red Sox anymore. Cleveland and Detroit aren’t pushovers, but they are less of a headache than the Yanks and Red Sox.
He may draw the Yanks and Boston as little as a game or two between them assuming Minnesota plays their usual 6 games a year vs. each team. That’s much better than the 8-10X/yr. he draws them.
2. Toronto’s rotation would be Burnett/ Marcum/ McGowan/
the two M.L.B. starters making the rookie minimum. Marcum made barely above the minimum this year ($386,100) and McGowan made the rookie minimum/ around that as well.
I hope that trade happens, too. No more Halladay in the A.L. East or Santana in the A.L. If 2007 Toronto won 86 games with Halladay, they’ll finish below .500 without him in ’08. The Yanks could go after Santana after next year.
Ever notice how the beer tastes better while watching October baseball? Anybody else think TBS’ studio coverage looks amateurish? It was embarassing watching Frank Thomas squirm next to Cal, eyes darting back and forth. Tell me they don’t have the rights all the way through the World Series…
I “dislike” Beckett because of his Boston attitude. I dislike Boston / N.E. because of their silly attitudes. Boston fans “hate” the Yankees because of their pent up jealousy and envy of Yankee success and forever being under the big shadow of the New York metro area.
Beckett looked good, but let’s not act like the Angels are good.
-Just 2 power hitters (Vlad & Anderson), and one has his eye swollen shut.
-1 good, healthy starting pitcher (Lackey) and he just got beat.
-2 good relievers (K-Rod, Spiers).
I couldn’t figure out why people wanted to avoid them, and after watching last night I still have no idea. They’re definitely the worst AL team in the playoffs, by far.
Anyone else get really annoyed with the TBS coverage during the Sox game last night? The announcers kept forgetting the number of outs, they game back from commercials late and actually missed pitches, and they insisted that Gary Matthews, Jr. is a n elite centerfielder despite the fact he is at or near the bottom for CF in every PBP defensive metric. It got to the point that I almost would have rather had Morgan or McCarver in the booth. Hopefully, they’ll improve as the playoffs go on.
Gary Matthews > Gary Matthews Jr. = Jeffrey Hammonds
Michelle,
Aren’t you just a little bit full of yourself? Or have you done enough clinical research to stereotype an entire region?
P.S. If Beckett (who tied Whitey Ford in post-season shutouts last nite) were starting tonite for the Yankees, I suspect that you’d put up with his “Boston attitude.”
Bosco –
I just found the TBS guys to be incredibly bland, at least for the first 2 games. I did not watch the Cubs/D’Backs game, but I saw a little bit of the pre-game with Ron Darling. Darling seemed like he had life, but the other guy not so much.
Beckett may not have the best features but we all have perfect bodies right? That MAN can pitch. He looked incredible last night. 2 shutouts in a row in post season, the last to beat the Yank’s for the World Series.
Also, TBS did a horrible job and even missed the 1′st out of the 3′rd inning. You can’t do that in the playoffs.
Michelle, I agree with you 100%. The presence of that OTHER team’s fans on this YANKEES blog proves your point exactly.
Doreen
TBS guys > Yankee-hating as sholes on FOX.
No Jeanie “I Need To Buy A Comb” Zelasko with the hair which looks like she got of bed.
No Tim McCarver endlessly pontificating about every pitch. Time for Deion Sanders to dunk another bucket of ice water on him 1992 N.L.C.S. style.
“I’m standing here with Atlanta’s…”
WHOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(McCarver smacking his lips like a horse eating hay, p-o’d.)
No Joe Buck who hates N.Y.C. so much, he stays in a hotel in NJ when he’s supposed to cover a Yankees/ Mets game.
No shots of FOX t.v. show “stars” who take up seats REAL Yankee fans/ Yankee Opponent-fans should be in.
No stupid cartoon baseball.
No 7:05 start time listed but the game really starts 20-25 min. later.
Too bad TBS or some other network doesn’t cover the Championship and World Series.
Gabriel. Maybe you or Michelle don’t go to Red Sox blogs but many of your fellow bloggers do. So vice versa correct?
this is a Yankees blog, right ?
Oh man it’s hell around here in Boston today. I’m surrounded by Red Sox fans who want nothing more than to talk about last nights game.
Oh well, it’s our turn tonight.
If ESPN is part of basic cable throughout the country or they arranged for that, ESPN, ESPN 2 & 3 could take care of all postseason games. Work it out where the tv guys for the teams call the games like the radio guys for the teams call the games along with ESPN Radio. A Yankee fan who can’t see the game could listen to Sterling and Waldman. A relative of mine is unfortunately currently in a hospital where she can’t get TBS, so I got her a pocket radio and set it to WCBS 880 AM.
E.g. Yanks vs. Cleveland tonight.
Yankee tv guys call the game in Yankee territory, Cleveland tv guys call the game in Cleveland’s territory. People can listen to their own radio guys and/or ESPN Radio. People outside both markets get the home team’s gamecallers so they’d get the Cleveland guys tonight.
Well, we’ll find out tonight whether the TBS announcers for the Yankee game have any bias or whether they can stay somewhere in the middle.
But at some point Fox gets involved, right? They’re doing the Championship series, aren’t they? So, we only get a short respite.
Anyway, all that is secondary to the fact that at least it’s Yankees game tonight!
I stand by any and every statement I ever did or ever will make regarding fans of Boston / N.E. based on decades of that pent up jealousy and envy of Yankee success and seldom displayed by other cities. It’s reached ridiculous proportions. I couldn’t possibly lower myself by visiting a Boston site.
Beckett doesn’t have a “Boston Attitude”. He’s just simply put a complete and utter a**hole. A great pitcher mind you, but a guy you just love when things go bad for him.
Wow. Game time is less than 9 hours away. I’m getting excited just thinking about it!
J-Dwag-
Same here! Im trying to mentally prepare myself for the gambit of emotions Im sure to run through during the game!
Michelle, I agree with you as well. You will never find me on a Red Sox blog. I couldn’t even tell you the names of any of them, seriously. I stay on here and mind my own business.
Doreen,
TBS has the ALDS, NLDS, and NLCS. FOX has the ALCS and World Series.
“Rich
October 4th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Michelle- would you define this silly attitude you speak of that apparently both Beckett and all of Boston/N.E. suffer from?
seriously- comments like this demonstrate why the comments setion of LoHud is generally ridiculed by frequent posters of most baseball sites. 3 year old-esque comments.”
I agree completely. Comments like that make all Yankees fans look like morons. People that want to make ridiculous posts like that should stick to NYYFans.com.
I don’t know if this has been discussed at any length. Nice to see Ohlendorf on the roster, but I do not understand Veras at all. I know we don’t have many Villone fans here but I’d much rather him over Veras. He almost has no use as innings-eater isn’t really a typical role in the playoffs and with 7 walks in about 9 innings, that’s the only thing he should be used for. I never want to see him in a close game.
Thanks, Bosco. So ESPN has nothing, then?
Boston is by far the most pathetic fan base in sports.. I have lived in enemy territory for six years i should know.
Carmine, I don’t think that we will have to worry about seeing Veras in a close game. I trust that Torre will only have him in during a blowout or baseball’s equivalent or garbage time in basketball. I think it was just a matter of Torre comparing Veras and Villone and seeing which one has the most upside. Ron Villone has very little left to give at this point. He was a warrior last year until he wore down. He’s failed to get lefties out consistently this year and that is probably what kept him off the roster.
No games on ESPN. Here’s the complete postseason schedule.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps_07.jsp
Nothing to do with anything, but I live thousands of miles from the East Coast. Caller on our local talk radio said he went on a business trip to the heart of the Red Sox Nation. He was eating at a restaurant and it was noisy because the patrons were watching the Red Sox game, having a good time. Next thing the caller knew it was silent in the restaurant so he looks around and sees Gagne pitching on the tv. He said he never felt so afraid in such a public place before, it was just so eery.
He did say that Boston was a beautiful city, though, which is true.
Personally, I think Villone was left off the roster by Cashman just so Torre isn’t tempted to try and use him to gain a platoon advantage that doesn’t exist.
You know, I know I’m walking a thin line here, and I don’t want to star an argument, but basically everybody is entitled to comment however they want.. Trying to tell people how to comment and what is and isn’t proper to say is pointless.
And besides, the idea that some comments ‘give all Yankee fans a bad name’, is just a wierd argument..
It’s not like if every Yankee fan suddenly starts commenting a particular way, that Red Sox fans will suddenly not hate the Yankees and their fans..
So I say just relax, and let people comment any which way they want. Everyone has an opionon and everybody has a different way of getting it across..
Ok, Im off the soap box now.
There won’t be any blowout games in the postseason. Either the pitching is really, really good or the batters are really tight, or both.
Yankees bullpen is going to have starters in it- Joba, Ohlendorf, Moose/Hughes- who are more than capable of getting lefties out. If Villone was a dominating lefty, I’d say he should be on the roster but he’s not.
DMan: that’s a good point. People could be the most well behaved commenters in the world, and the Sox fans that come in here would still find something to complain about.
That should be “of garbage time.” My need for an edit button strikes again!
We would like Beckett if he were on the Yanks. Sox fans would like Arod if he were on the Sox. It seems to me to be something close to an unassailable proposition that our perceptions of the players are frequently determined by our biases.
On the other hand, as a Yankee fan living in Boston, it is my considered opinion that much of RSN is mired in rancor, hatred and envy of the Yankees and their illustrious history. I don’t believe that Yankee fans are morally superior or anything like that; rather the intensity of feeling about the rivalry is greater here than in New York, for historical and sociological reasons.
Veras might have more upside, but I doubt he’s going to realize it during the playoffs. He was pretty bad this year. Not saying he’ll never be good, but I feel like he’s just taking up a roster spot. It even might have been a better idea to put Alberto Gonzalez on the roster.
Al east. WOW I for one would be happy if that happened.
I think taking off a pitcher for a position player would not have been a good idea. 10 pitchers (that’s 5 bullpen) with this bullpen–not a good idea.
That being said–let’s be optimstic folks! Instead of pointing out possible roster holes, just hope that Joe and his guys put together the best possible ALDS roster and hope for the best 7 and a half hours from now.
No?
I think that DMan and Andrea both make some valid points. If someone is easily offended then it is probably not a good choice for them to visit this blog or any other blog where there there is a wide variety of opinions expressed. Andrea you know from some of our other discussions that I hope not all Sox fans will find something to complain about no matter what. I would also point out in a friendly way that there is a fringe of Yankee fans that find something to complain about if a Sox fan posts on here even if it is civil and adds to the discussion. In any case even as a Sox fan I look forward to watching the Yankees and Indians tonight.
So guys, I need your help. What should I do before game time?
Read Dickens
Read history
Crack open my GRE book
I can do one of the three, but likely not all three…
Rich-
No I understand that.. I mean we’ve all seen and heard comments that sound an awfull lot like the ones made by the token intoxicated person at games..
I guess my point is, we could by some miracle spend countless amounts of time trying to weed those comments out, and it wouldn’t change the perspective a fan base has on a team.. Whether it’s the Red Sox or Yankees or whomever..
We only highlight it by talking about it more, but the fact is, on either the Red Sox side or the Yankees side, each will always feel like the other fan base is ‘obnoxious’ or what have you..
Sorry to sound redundant- again, but we’re only getting closer to game time! I so enjoy the playoff atmosphere!!
DMan- well said, and Ray, you must be very happy with how last night went. They definitely played well. I am also never looking to be offensive or to stir up trouble.
Rich,
I’m still waiting for your apology.
“If someone is easily offended then it is probably not a good choice for them to visit this blog or any other blog where there there is a wide variety of opinions expressed.”
I don’t think anyone is offended by the “Boston attitude” comment. We just think it’s ridiculous and doesn’t add anything to the discussion here.
Ray,
Are you old enough to remember the beer commercial starring “Ray”? This old guy sits down at a bar and starts talking to anyone and everyone, telling them “You can call me Ray”. But no one was listening to him?
I’m not saying you’re not welcome here, but that was a really funny commercial and your name brought out the memory of it from the recesses of my mind.
Rebecca
Read Dickens? Why would you willingly subject yourself to such torture. Go with Faulkner because it might take you until 6:30 to read one of his never-ending sentences.
Rebecca,
That’s easy. History. Preferably New York Yankees history from the late 90′s!
Tampa–It’s not my fault! It’s my course on Victorian lit! I’m like at least 200 pages behind…
Rebecca -
Cracking open the GRE book seems to me to be the best of three “evils.” At least you can do a few questions, or a section, walk away and pick up where you left off without having to re-read the previous 10 pages!
Also, not to restart an argument but I kind of agree with the idea of a “Boston attitude.” I once got into a car accident and the guy from the other car was wearing a Red Sox hat. We started talking and since it was his fault and there wasnt any serious damage to my car I was willing to let it go because I was running late. But when he saw my Yankees sticker on the back of the car while we were checking it out, he immdetiately called the cops and tried to tell them the accident was my fault. I ended up having to go to court with other witnesses of the accident just to avoid having to pay for his damages. Ever since then, I have been very cautious about showing myself to being a Yankee fan especially to Boston fans.
Oh, Rebecca — you got three different answers! What was the likelihood of that?????
Which Dickens by the way?
ray: you’re not the typical Sox fan (well, not the typical one who posts on this board anyway
).
Dickens is just as bad as Faulkner.
Ah! Guys!
Well, the history reading I have is for my thesis, so it has the benefit of actually being interesting…
Rich: you have a point, but there’s nothing you can do to change those posters.
i agree TBS is *MUCH* better than Fox. It is a little bland, but i’ll take that over a bells and whistles overload. how does the AL get stuck with Fox for the ALCS, but NLDS is on TBS?
My only knock on TBS is that they were showing replays of Frank Thomas hitting home runs. umm, why?
And Bosco, I totally agree with this:
_Personally, I think Villone was left off the roster by Cashman just so Torre isn’t tempted to try and use him to gain a platoon advantage that doesn’t exist._
What is GRE?
Rebecca, there are 6.5 hours left. 2 hours each, then come back here at 6:00 and overdose the blog with your enthusiasm.
You got to pace yourself schoolwise because they’ll hopefully be playing until late October/early Novemeber.
Saucy, Bosco- Yeah, Villone is one of the toys for Torre. And we all know that sometimes the toys need to be taken away!
GRE = Grad school exam
And that’s not a bad idea, except it’ll take me like an hour to shower and whatnot…(yes, I’m sitting here in my nightshirt. I was so exhausted there was no way I was getting up for class, and it worked! Slept 10 straight hours!)
Rebecca, skip the reading and put some music on!
Tampa yankee, amazing story!
Mel
I do remember the “Ray” commercial and indeed it was a funny commercial.
Tampa Yankee, I have lived Deep in the Red for years. Nothing about your story is in any way uncharacterictic about the fandom up here. They are an incredibly mean-spirited, vitriolic group, with a pathological hatred for New York. I thought it might get better after ’04, but it has only gotten far, far worse, a fact which Caple (whom I loathe) even acknowledged. That said, you can’t hide your devotion to the yankees. That is acquiescing to their mentally deranged conduct. I go to work in my Yankee wind breaker and let them make asses out of themselves in their reactions. Of course, it helps that God made me 6’5″.
I thought Edwar didn’t make the roster? He gets to travel and be in the dugout?