Breaking down the starters for Game 1
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Sabathia vs. Yankees
1-7, 7.13 ERA in eight starts. … Last start was Sept. 1, 2004. … Last win was June 1, 2001. … 11-4, 3.13 at Jacobs Field this season.
Yankees lineup vs. Sabathia
Damon 3-14
Jeter 12-22
Abreu 1-3
Rodriguez 7-17
Posada 3-13 (2 HR)
Matsui 0-9
Cano 0-0
Cabrera 0-0
Mientkiewicz 5-22
Wang vs. Indians
2-1, 3.72 ERA in three starts. … Last start was July 3, 2006. … Last win was June 13, 2006. … 9-3, 4.91 on the road this season.
Projected Cleveland lineup vs. Wang
Sizemore 3-9
Cabrera 0-0
Hafner 1-6
Martinez 2-9
Garko 0-0
Peralta 2-6
Lofton 1-3
Gutierrez 1-3
Blake 1-3
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Brian over on his Depressed Fan blog has the batter vs. pitcher breakdowns for the series.
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Chad Jennings
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Does anyone have an explanation for Wang’s 8.41 ERA @ Jacob’s Field?
Is it me or do the Yanks have better numbers against CC than the Indians do against Wang?
Remember, I haven’t taken math since I was 16 and I don’t really remember division all that well…
You’re right Rebecca, but conventional wisdom says C.C. is a much improved pitcher now, with better control. We’ll see.
Tom Petty was right; the waiting is the hardest part. It’s killing me.
Mel – Wang’s ERA at the Jake–maybe evil groundskeepers?
Rebecca- Haha!! It’s not just you, don’t worry. The Indian that always did the best against Wang was our old friend Aaron Boone! I think that he’s still in Florida.
As Webb, francis, and Beckett showed last night the playoffs is all about pitching. Starting pitching.
Up to Wanger to do the same.
Sabathia’s career against the Yanks and the Yanks’ players’ splits against him are meaningless. He is a different pitcher now. He was the best pitcher in the AL this season, with a slightly lower ERA+ than Carmona, but 40 (!) more IP. Dominant.
Wang hasn’t been the same this season, in my eyes. He’s got a lot to prove tonight, I think. Torre showed a lot of faith in him pitching him in Game 1. Hopefully 2006 Wang will show up (not that he was bad in 07, but in 06 he was amazing).
A Rod is going to mash tonight. Take that to the bank.
Wang hasn’t been the same?
No offense mate, but he won 19 games.
You don’t win 19 games by being a bad pitcher. He would have won 20 if he’d pitched at all in April…
“not that he was bad in 07, but in 06 he was amazing”
I feel this is a misconception. Wang had a very similar year
“Wang hasn’t been the same?
No offense mate, but he won 19 games.
You don’t win 19 games by being a bad pitcher. He would have won 20 if he’d pitched at all in April…”
You don’t win 19 games by being a bad pitcher, but you don’t need to be a great pitcher to win 19 games. I think Wang’s win totals definitely lead to him being overrated.
6 and a half hours till first pitch folks!!
ERA in 06: 3.63
ERA in O7: 3.70
WHIP in 06: 1.307
WHIP in 07: 1.294
bb in 06: 53
BB in 07: 59
K in 06: 76
K in 07: 104
Mel
If I’m reading it right, He’s only had 3 starts against the Indians and overall ERA is 3.72. If his ERA at the Jake is that high, it had to be one bad outing that skewed the numbers.
bosco, i agree, but check out all the other stats, pretty much the same
Wang hasn’t been the same this year as last year, he’s been BETTER. Most of his peripheral stats this year are better than they were last year.
migames, I agree I don’t think Wang has changed at all. Still an excellent groundball pitcher that throws to contact and depends on his defense and luck to succeed. Honestly, I don’t think his road/home split is all that important or meaningful, probably just a statistical blip. I want him throwing two games this series (if necessary), regardless of where the games are played.
I’ve got a good feeling about a string of Mientkiewicz, Damon and Jeter hits for tonight. No logic to it, just a feeling I had this morning.
i think wang is smarter this year above anything else…
Saucy – I agree. In those starts against Boston this year, Wang has shown that he can adjust as the hitters adjust. I’m hoping for a ton of ground outs tonight. Minky better be ready.
Wang 06: ERA+ 121, IP 218
Wang 07: ERA+ 117, IP 199
Wang’s 06 season is significantly better because he was slightly better over 10% more innings. He was hurt this season, obviously, but that is a significantly better season.
I was very clear that I thought Wang had a good season this year, but I believe 06 was a very good season.
Peripheral stats are mixed this year, although his K’s are up significantly, his walks are also up (59 vs. 52 in fewer innings) and his HBP went up from 2 to 8 (!) which obviously has some luck thrown in but is fairly significant. If he can continue to strike out batters at this rate he will be a better pitcher going forward, although his K/BB ratio is still quite poor.
A reason I have heard cited for Wang’s superior performance at Yankee stadium is that the grounds crew soften up the infield, making it more difficult for groundballs to squeeze through the infield. Obviously, this works the same for grounders hit by the Yanks, but odds are they aren’t facing another pitcher who induces as many grounders as Wang, giving the Yanks an advantage. Obviously no such advantage exists on the road.
I like the lineup because Posada is hitting behind A-Rod. He is much more protection for A-Rod than Matsui has been. The last month pitchers have pitched around A-Rod because Matsui was bad and an easy out. I kept yelling for the switch the last two weeks. Glad to see it for the playoffs.
I’m sure you’ll find that Wang has given up more hits, less homeruns, and less groundouts.
Still good numbers, though. What’s a litte bothersome is how he’s disturbed by baserunners and sinker doesn’t sink as much.
Would love to see him pitch Cleveland like he pitched Boston in New York. Lots of variety. He can tell in his pregame warmup how effective his sinker is.
Can’t go wrong with Wang!
2005 New York Yankees 0 1 1.35 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.2 6 4 1 1 1 0 1
2006 New York Yankees 1 0 4.05 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.2 8 3 3 1 0 1 4
I’m sure you’ll find that Wang has given up more hits, less homeruns, and less groundouts.
Still good numbers, though. What’s a litte bothersome is how he’s disturbed by baserunners and sinker doesn’t sink as much.
Would love to see him pitch Cleveland like he pitched Boston in New York. Lots of variety. He can tell in his pregame warmup how effective his sinker is.
Can’t go wrong with Wang!
Wang’s postseason stats:
2005 New York Yankees 0 1 1.35 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.2 6 4 1 1 1 0 1
2006 New York Yankees 1 0 4.05 1 1 0 0 0 0 6.2 8 3 3 1 0 1 4
bob from nj: wangs whip is better this year than last. He might have had more bb but less hits
mel, Wang’s high era at the Jake came from one horrible start last year: 5 ip, 5 er, 11 h, 2 bb, 2 k.
migames: I know, and while WHIP is a more telling stat (usually) than ERA, it is not a more useful stat than ERA+. Although he has let fewer runs on base, he has let a much greater percentage of those runners score. People are running on him more, he seems to get distracted, etc. WHIP doesn’t tell the whole story.
it seems that lately, Wang has gotten more fly outs than ground outs….he needs to keep the ball down and not miss his spots and he’ll revert to the “Wanger”!