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		<title>By: Joba rules 62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joba rules 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankees Won the ALDS! Ready to take Red Sox down on ALCS!
Here are the games results: 

ALDS Game 3: Yankees 7 vs Indians: 2  
             Clemens (1-0), Westbrook (0-1) 
             Rivera S1

ALDS Game 4: Yanksees 5 vs Indians 2
             Wang (1-1), Sabathia (1-1)
             Chamberlain S1

ALDS Game 5: Yankees 9 vs Indians 7
             Pettitte (1-0), Carmona (1-1)
             Rivera S2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankees Won the ALDS! Ready to take Red Sox down on ALCS!<br />
Here are the games results: </p>
<p>ALDS Game 3: Yankees 7 vs Indians: 2<br />
             Clemens (1-0), Westbrook (0-1)<br />
             Rivera S1</p>
<p>ALDS Game 4: Yanksees 5 vs Indians 2<br />
             Wang (1-1), Sabathia (1-1)<br />
             Chamberlain S1</p>
<p>ALDS Game 5: Yankees 9 vs Indians 7<br />
             Pettitte (1-0), Carmona (1-1)<br />
             Rivera S2</p>
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		<title>By: TimH</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously doubt it tigerfan, she passed away ten years ago. And my team is still in the tournament loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously doubt it tigerfan, she passed away ten years ago. And my team is still in the tournament loser.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnat King Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gnat King Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TimH, does your mommy know you&#039;re on her computer? 

You&#039;re a sore loser, little man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TimH, does your mommy know you&#8217;re on her computer? </p>
<p>You&#8217;re a sore loser, little man.</p>
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		<title>By: redsox2007ws</title>
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		<dc:creator>redsox2007ws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joba had Flies all over his flabby carcass...sweating up a storm on the mound and blowing it big time...I LOVE THIS GAME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joba had Flies all over his flabby carcass&#8230;sweating up a storm on the mound and blowing it big time&#8230;I LOVE THIS GAME!</p>
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		<title>By: Kill-Schill(ing)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kill-Schill(ing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point Yankees21.  

I concede it was the depth of those previous Yankees teams&#039; starting rotations rather than the preeminence of one particular pitcher.  Still, in almost each of those years, it seemed one of their pitchers pitched with the dominance of an ace-- e.g., Boomer in &#039;98, Clemens in &#039;01, Pettitte in &#039;96   

Do you really think aces are so scarce however?  In the AL East there&#039;s, 

1) Beckett
2) Halliday (Burnett could be if he ever managed to stay healthy)
3) Bedard 

in the AL Central
1) Verlander
2) Santana
3) Sabathia or Carmona

AL West
1) King Felix
2) Dan Haren
3) John Lackey 

Add a pitcher of the caliber of anyone of the above 9-10 pitchers and place him in front of Wang and Pettitte/Hughes and the Yankees, with their lineup, would dominate the AL for the next 5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point Yankees21.  </p>
<p>I concede it was the depth of those previous Yankees teams&#8217; starting rotations rather than the preeminence of one particular pitcher.  Still, in almost each of those years, it seemed one of their pitchers pitched with the dominance of an ace&#8211; e.g., Boomer in &#8216;98, Clemens in &#8216;01, Pettitte in &#8216;96   </p>
<p>Do you really think aces are so scarce however?  In the AL East there&#8217;s, </p>
<p>1) Beckett<br />
2) Halliday (Burnett could be if he ever managed to stay healthy)<br />
3) Bedard </p>
<p>in the AL Central<br />
1) Verlander<br />
2) Santana<br />
3) Sabathia or Carmona</p>
<p>AL West<br />
1) King Felix<br />
2) Dan Haren<br />
3) John Lackey </p>
<p>Add a pitcher of the caliber of anyone of the above 9-10 pitchers and place him in front of Wang and Pettitte/Hughes and the Yankees, with their lineup, would dominate the AL for the next 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: yankee21</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankee21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KSchil; your point was the Yankees needed a dominant #1 and that is keeping them from Championship, right? 

The Yankees of 96-2001 certainly had guys with good numbers and more importantly guys who were big game pitchers (wells and el duque)but none of them match the dominating stuff of guys like Santana(04-06), Unit/Schill in 2001 and others I mentioned. The Yankees were stocked with #2 and #3 guys who didn&#039;t melt in the post season, in fact, they largely thrived. 

It sure does help to have a dominating #1 but how many teams have one? There are a handful of true ace pitchers in the ML, so if you have one you are in a distinct minority.

My point was you need top flight pitching, not necessarily a dominant #1, as well as some offensive capability to create runs when your big guys run into funks. The Yankees of their championship years had this balance, the Yankees since 2001 have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KSchil; your point was the Yankees needed a dominant #1 and that is keeping them from Championship, right? </p>
<p>The Yankees of 96-2001 certainly had guys with good numbers and more importantly guys who were big game pitchers (wells and el duque)but none of them match the dominating stuff of guys like Santana(04-06), Unit/Schill in 2001 and others I mentioned. The Yankees were stocked with #2 and #3 guys who didn&#8217;t melt in the post season, in fact, they largely thrived. </p>
<p>It sure does help to have a dominating #1 but how many teams have one? There are a handful of true ace pitchers in the ML, so if you have one you are in a distinct minority.</p>
<p>My point was you need top flight pitching, not necessarily a dominant #1, as well as some offensive capability to create runs when your big guys run into funks. The Yankees of their championship years had this balance, the Yankees since 2001 have not.</p>
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		<title>By: alext</title>
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		<dc:creator>alext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weakness of this team is starting pitching.  Gutsy starting pitching.  ANdy is the only pitcher that doesn&#039;t fall apart when he&#039;s out there on the mound if something is going wrong.  Wang falls to pieces, as does Mussina.  Roger can at times, too, but he can also be pretty gutsy with a little less success than Andy has.  

I fully believe the Yankees will put some fight into the rest of this series and it will go 5 games.  If the underdog can beat the favorite two games in a row, then the new underdog can beat the new favorite 2 games in a row.  Game 5 is going to be crazy.  We can only hope that Wang or Pettitte can pitch, and pitch well.  

This team needs IPK, Hughes, Chamberlain all to pitch well next season.  If Andy doesn&#039;t come back, we;re going to need an ace for this staff.  Pitchers will be on the market this offseason and during the season for trades.  We need to make some sound moves, even if it means giving up some big prospects (hopefully offensive ones).  This team never has trouble finding offense with their cash, but pitching is certainly a rare commodity.  

Have faith for the next few games.  Roger can go 7-8 if the Indians aren&#039;t patient.  We&#039;re going to have to use Mo and Joba again, and maybe Farnsworth.  BUt let&#039;s not panic with regard to Farnsworth.  He could surprise us.


Who will start game 4?  I have no idea.  I kind of hope it is Moose because I know he&#039;ll go out there with a plan and execute.  We should ***DEFINITELY*** take him out in the 5th, regardless of the score, because he starts to falter from the 6th inning on.  Hughes needs to be ready to throw 3-4 scoreless innings in relief.  he showed some nasty stuff on thursday and he&#039;s still got it in him now.

We need a hero this year.  I think it&#039;s Hughes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weakness of this team is starting pitching.  Gutsy starting pitching.  ANdy is the only pitcher that doesn&#8217;t fall apart when he&#8217;s out there on the mound if something is going wrong.  Wang falls to pieces, as does Mussina.  Roger can at times, too, but he can also be pretty gutsy with a little less success than Andy has.  </p>
<p>I fully believe the Yankees will put some fight into the rest of this series and it will go 5 games.  If the underdog can beat the favorite two games in a row, then the new underdog can beat the new favorite 2 games in a row.  Game 5 is going to be crazy.  We can only hope that Wang or Pettitte can pitch, and pitch well.  </p>
<p>This team needs IPK, Hughes, Chamberlain all to pitch well next season.  If Andy doesn&#8217;t come back, we;re going to need an ace for this staff.  Pitchers will be on the market this offseason and during the season for trades.  We need to make some sound moves, even if it means giving up some big prospects (hopefully offensive ones).  This team never has trouble finding offense with their cash, but pitching is certainly a rare commodity.  </p>
<p>Have faith for the next few games.  Roger can go 7-8 if the Indians aren&#8217;t patient.  We&#8217;re going to have to use Mo and Joba again, and maybe Farnsworth.  BUt let&#8217;s not panic with regard to Farnsworth.  He could surprise us.</p>
<p>Who will start game 4?  I have no idea.  I kind of hope it is Moose because I know he&#8217;ll go out there with a plan and execute.  We should ***DEFINITELY*** take him out in the 5th, regardless of the score, because he starts to falter from the 6th inning on.  Hughes needs to be ready to throw 3-4 scoreless innings in relief.  he showed some nasty stuff on thursday and he&#8217;s still got it in him now.</p>
<p>We need a hero this year.  I think it&#8217;s Hughes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kill-Schill(ing)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kill-Schill(ing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankee 21, need I remind you how dominating the Yankees starting pitching was between &#039;96-01.  

If they didn&#039;t have an ace, they certainly had a collection of four to five #2 starters, which is the reason why the won with offensive far inferior to the post-&#039;04 teams. 

In &#039;96
1) Pettitte was 21-8 with a 3.87 ERA
2) COne was 7-2 with a 2.88 ERA

In 1998, 
1) Wells was 18-4 with 3.49 ERA with a perfect game
2) Cone was 20-7 with a 3.55 ERA 
3) Duque was 12-4 with a 3.13 ERA

In 1999,
1) Cone was 12-9 with a 3.44 ERA
2) Duque was 17-9 with a 4.12 ERA

In 2000
1) Clemens was 13-8 with a 3.70 ERA
2) Pettitte was 19-9 with a 4.35 ERA

In 2001
1) Clemens was 20-3 with a 3.51 ERA
2) Mussina was 17-11 with a 3.51 ERA
3) Pettitte was 15-10 with a 3.99 ERA

In 2003,
1) Roger Clemens 17-9  with  3.91 ERA   
2) Andy Pettitte 21-8 with 4.02 ERA 
3) Mike Mussina  17-8 with a 3.40 ERA  
4) Wells was 15-7 with a 4.14 ERA
 
By contrast, since &#039;04 the Yankees have had, at best, one or two top starters.  Kevin Brown was their best pitcher in &#039;04.  Need I say more?  Mussina hasn&#039;t been better than a #3 since 2003.  In 2005, their best pitchers were Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon.  In &#039;05-&#039;06, The Unit won 17 games but was exhausted by the post-season and pitched poorly.  Wang pitched one good post-season game in &#039;05, one mediocre one last year, and this year was wretched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankee 21, need I remind you how dominating the Yankees starting pitching was between &#8216;96-01.  </p>
<p>If they didn&#8217;t have an ace, they certainly had a collection of four to five #2 starters, which is the reason why the won with offensive far inferior to the post-&#8217;04 teams. </p>
<p>In &#8216;96<br />
1) Pettitte was 21-8 with a 3.87 ERA<br />
2) COne was 7-2 with a 2.88 ERA</p>
<p>In 1998,<br />
1) Wells was 18-4 with 3.49 ERA with a perfect game<br />
2) Cone was 20-7 with a 3.55 ERA<br />
3) Duque was 12-4 with a 3.13 ERA</p>
<p>In 1999,<br />
1) Cone was 12-9 with a 3.44 ERA<br />
2) Duque was 17-9 with a 4.12 ERA</p>
<p>In 2000<br />
1) Clemens was 13-8 with a 3.70 ERA<br />
2) Pettitte was 19-9 with a 4.35 ERA</p>
<p>In 2001<br />
1) Clemens was 20-3 with a 3.51 ERA<br />
2) Mussina was 17-11 with a 3.51 ERA<br />
3) Pettitte was 15-10 with a 3.99 ERA</p>
<p>In 2003,<br />
1) Roger Clemens 17-9  with  3.91 ERA<br />
2) Andy Pettitte 21-8 with 4.02 ERA<br />
3) Mike Mussina  17-8 with a 3.40 ERA<br />
4) Wells was 15-7 with a 4.14 ERA</p>
<p>By contrast, since &#8216;04 the Yankees have had, at best, one or two top starters.  Kevin Brown was their best pitcher in &#8216;04.  Need I say more?  Mussina hasn&#8217;t been better than a #3 since 2003.  In 2005, their best pitchers were Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon.  In &#8216;05-&#8217;06, The Unit won 17 games but was exhausted by the post-season and pitched poorly.  Wang pitched one good post-season game in &#8216;05, one mediocre one last year, and this year was wretched.</p>
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		<title>By: Drive 4-5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drive 4-5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill-Schill, I couldnt agree with you more. The worst thing the Yanks could do is panic by tearing apart this team go out and sign a bunch of 34 year old free agents from other teams. Retaining A Rod, Mo and Posada is a must, in spite of Mo&#039;s &amp; Jorge&#039; ages.Not retain the best player in the game?? Where is the logic in that?

I really liked the confident look Phil Hughes had in Game 1. His body language was excellent. He&#039;s going to be a legitimate #3 starter. The question will be if the Yanks decide Joba is more valuable as a starter or in the bullpen.Down the road Humberto Sanchez could turn into this year&#039;s Joba.Who knows? All I know is I wouldn&#039;t mind a rotation of Joba, Wang, Pettite, Hughes and Kennedy next year.

But we&#039;re getting ahead of ourselves here. &#039;07 ain&#039;t over!!! Go Yanks!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill-Schill, I couldnt agree with you more. The worst thing the Yanks could do is panic by tearing apart this team go out and sign a bunch of 34 year old free agents from other teams. Retaining A Rod, Mo and Posada is a must, in spite of Mo&#8217;s &amp; Jorge&#8217; ages.Not retain the best player in the game?? Where is the logic in that?</p>
<p>I really liked the confident look Phil Hughes had in Game 1. His body language was excellent. He&#8217;s going to be a legitimate #3 starter. The question will be if the Yanks decide Joba is more valuable as a starter or in the bullpen.Down the road Humberto Sanchez could turn into this year&#8217;s Joba.Who knows? All I know is I wouldn&#8217;t mind a rotation of Joba, Wang, Pettite, Hughes and Kennedy next year.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re getting ahead of ourselves here. &#8216;07 ain&#8217;t over!!! Go Yanks!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: yankee21</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankee21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the staff the Yankees had in their recent glory years, were any one of them truly #1 types-- such as a Unit/Schilling in 2001, a Santana of 2004-06, a Beckett this year, a Roy Oswalt, a Halladay?? I don&#039;t think so, they were all a bunch of #2-#3 guys who pitched decently into the 6th inning or so and were backed up by a lights out BP. 

The one other thing they had going for them, like any championship team. was a decent offense that could manufacture runs and come up with the occasional big hit.

I maintain The Yankees since 2001 Dbacks have lost their swagger not mainly because of a lack of a true #1 SP, but because of an offensive approach that has failed, and failed some more. They have relied on the long ball at the same time ignoring all semblance of small ball and have paid for it. This a team that looks like a juggernaut when they are on but they look like the most pathetic offense in the entire ML when they are not. What the hell is this?? No protypical #1 is going to cure this offensive disappearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the staff the Yankees had in their recent glory years, were any one of them truly #1 types&#8211; such as a Unit/Schilling in 2001, a Santana of 2004-06, a Beckett this year, a Roy Oswalt, a Halladay?? I don&#8217;t think so, they were all a bunch of #2-#3 guys who pitched decently into the 6th inning or so and were backed up by a lights out BP. </p>
<p>The one other thing they had going for them, like any championship team. was a decent offense that could manufacture runs and come up with the occasional big hit.</p>
<p>I maintain The Yankees since 2001 Dbacks have lost their swagger not mainly because of a lack of a true #1 SP, but because of an offensive approach that has failed, and failed some more. They have relied on the long ball at the same time ignoring all semblance of small ball and have paid for it. This a team that looks like a juggernaut when they are on but they look like the most pathetic offense in the entire ML when they are not. What the hell is this?? No protypical #1 is going to cure this offensive disappearance.</p>
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