Comments on: Tony La Russa? Say it isn’t so http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:21:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Fred http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171955 Fred Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:13:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171955 hillman is a logical choice and maybe "the" choice. the only rationale for not bringing torre back is "new era". to bring in a retread like larussa, or valentine for that matter, or even mattingly, makes no sense. the only thing torre lacks is fire in the belly to win it all, and that's human, not a criticism. to quote my dad, "how much cake can you eat?" he's been there and done it many times over. it's impossible to be hungry when you've eaten. he also has to be tired, emotionally. one cannot imagine the abuse, day to day, and it takes its toll. my guess, ten years ago, he pulls them off the field in cleveland. he may have simply been too depleated to do it now. a young guy, clean record, that everyone can swallow. torre can sign on as a mentor with dignity, and in many respects take on the emeritus role he's already stepped into. hillman is a logical choice and maybe “the” choice. the only rationale for not bringing torre back is “new era”. to bring in a retread like larussa, or valentine for that matter, or even mattingly, makes no sense. the only thing torre lacks is fire in the belly to win it all, and that’s human, not a criticism. to quote my dad, “how much cake can you eat?” he’s been there and done it many times over. it’s impossible to be hungry when you’ve eaten. he also has to be tired, emotionally. one cannot imagine the abuse, day to day, and it takes its toll. my guess, ten years ago, he pulls them off the field in cleveland. he may have simply been too depleated to do it now. a young guy, clean record, that everyone can swallow. torre can sign on as a mentor with dignity, and in many respects take on the emeritus role he’s already stepped into.

]]> By: murphydog http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171931 murphydog Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:59:28 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171931 Joe, for any faults, has worked well with Cash, except maybe for the bullpen issues. Can we assume Cash is staying and continuing to run baseball operations? If yes, then I think the first job of the next manager, assuming it's not Torre, will be working well with Cash. Can La Russa do that? Bobby V? Bobby V and LaRussa to me are about the same: charismatic (in an odd, wearing-a-disguise-in-the-dugout kind of way), strong-willed managers like Joe with all the diplomacy, patience, people skills and tact of Billy Martin. Why in heaven's name would Cashman or the Steinbrenner Group (George, Hank or Hal and whoever else speaks for the owner) want Billy Martin back? Oops, maybe I just answered my own question... Seriously, who knows... but does Girardi really want to risk following Joe? It's too much like jumping in Joe's grave too fast. And what if Girardi doesn't do as well? If Girardi is smart, he'll let someone else follow Joe and wait that guy out. Hillman is a logical choice as he is experienced at several levels, is a Yankee product and would presumably work well with Cash. Mattingly seems too passive, and Mazzilli is a Joe Clone, and IMO, neither would be the symbol of change they are likely looking for if management decides not to re-up Torre. Joe, for any faults, has worked well with Cash, except maybe for the bullpen issues. Can we assume Cash is staying and continuing to run baseball operations? If yes, then I think the first job of the next manager, assuming it’s not Torre, will be working well with Cash. Can La Russa do that? Bobby V?

Bobby V and LaRussa to me are about the same: charismatic (in an odd, wearing-a-disguise-in-the-dugout kind of way), strong-willed managers like Joe with all the diplomacy, patience, people skills and tact of Billy Martin. Why in heaven’s name would Cashman or the Steinbrenner Group (George, Hank or Hal and whoever else speaks for the owner) want Billy Martin back? Oops, maybe I just answered my own question…

Seriously, who knows… but does Girardi really want to risk following Joe? It’s too much like jumping in Joe’s grave too fast. And what if Girardi doesn’t do as well? If Girardi is smart, he’ll let someone else follow Joe and wait that guy out. Hillman is a logical choice as he is experienced at several levels, is a Yankee product and would presumably work well with Cash. Mattingly seems too passive, and Mazzilli is a Joe Clone, and IMO, neither would be the symbol of change they are likely looking for if management decides not to re-up Torre.

]]> By: Fred http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171919 Fred Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:51:04 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171919 no more free agent pitchers - all you're buying is a plane ticket to dr jobe or andrews. they're all shot by the time they've arrived. dump 120 mil into scouting and development and we'll be aflush in jobbas within three years. no more free agent pitchers – all you’re buying is a plane ticket to dr jobe or andrews. they’re all shot by the time they’ve arrived. dump 120 mil into scouting and development and we’ll be aflush in jobbas within three years.

]]> By: StandingO'Neill http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171898 StandingO'Neill Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:32:33 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171898 "Right, because there’s no chance of the Red Sox trading for him and signing him before he hits free agency. If you can trade for the best pitcher on the planet, you do it, end of story." Not if it weakens your team because you give up 2-3 pitchers in return. I like Santana as much as anybody, but I'm tired of these hired guns coming in to win championships. Santana is gonna need to be paid $25 million dollars, and if he doesn't win 20 games a year and the yankees lose in the first or second round, all we get to hear about is how we tried to buy success again and failed. Screw that, I rather go to battle with Joba, Hughes and any other young hungry gun there is. “Right, because there’s no chance of the Red Sox trading for him and signing him before he hits free agency. If you can trade for the best pitcher on the planet, you do it, end of story.”

Not if it weakens your team because you give up 2-3 pitchers in return. I like Santana as much as anybody, but I’m tired of these hired guns coming in to win championships. Santana is gonna need to be paid $25 million dollars, and if he doesn’t win 20 games a year and the yankees lose in the first or second round, all we get to hear about is how we tried to buy success again and failed. Screw that, I rather go to battle with Joba, Hughes and any other young hungry gun there is.

]]> By: Anthony http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171888 Anthony Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:27:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171888 "I wouldn’t trade for Santana. No need to pay twice." Right, because there's no chance of the Red Sox trading for him and signing him before he hits free agency. If you can trade for the best pitcher on the planet, you do it, end of story. “I wouldn’t trade for Santana. No need to pay twice.”

Right, because there’s no chance of the Red Sox trading for him and signing him before he hits free agency. If you can trade for the best pitcher on the planet, you do it, end of story.

]]> By: Fred http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171880 Fred Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:25:09 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171880 hillman is a sleeper - forgot about him. he's a yankee product, widely respected, kind of a showalter without the sanctimony (word of the day) and rule book. has fire in the belly. could be a good choice. probably cool with jeter, which i can't imagine laruss. prob with mattingly is that all he's done is lose - not running "brother in law of the year" awards. girardi may have too much spin... all this jorge posada stuff, they haven't won with him, those were girardi years. any catchers in the system molina could mentor?? or tradeables? farnesworth demonstrated that he's closer material. :)) could be a very interesting off season if one plays the positions by the numbers and looks at chemistry. hillman is a sleeper – forgot about him. he’s a yankee product, widely respected, kind of a showalter without the sanctimony (word of the day) and rule book. has fire in the belly. could be a good choice. probably cool with jeter, which i can’t imagine laruss. prob with mattingly is that all he’s done is lose – not running “brother in law of the year” awards. girardi may have too much spin… all this jorge posada stuff, they haven’t won with him, those were girardi years. any catchers in the system molina could mentor?? or tradeables? farnesworth demonstrated that he’s closer material. :) ) could be a very interesting off season if one plays the positions by the numbers and looks at chemistry.

]]> By: StandingO'Neill http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171863 StandingO'Neill Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:16:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171863 Seriously how come nobody has mentioned mazzilli? He knows NY, knows the players, has patience but also some fire. He did a decent job with the crappy baltimore team too. Its an option I would say at the least. I would like to know more about Trey Hillman though. Still my personal feelings is that Torre should stay. Seriously how come nobody has mentioned mazzilli? He knows NY, knows the players, has patience but also some fire. He did a decent job with the crappy baltimore team too. Its an option I would say at the least.

I would like to know more about Trey Hillman though. Still my personal feelings is that Torre should stay.

]]> By: Paul9 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171847 Paul9 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:07:25 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171847 I think you keep Joe for a few more years, let him mold Donnie and thats that. I would rather have Joe Giardi than LaRussa I think you keep Joe for a few more years, let him mold Donnie and thats that. I would rather have Joe Giardi than LaRussa

]]> By: pat m in CT http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171806 pat m in CT Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:45:05 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171806 It's fun to speculate and discuss possible candidates but really, it's anyone's guess as to how any of them will do. A LaRussa might realize he's got to work with the NY media. Mattingly might show everyone that he's picked up more managerial acumen than we think he has. After all, who would've though Joe Torre would be the manager for one championship let alone four in five years back in November of 95? It’s fun to speculate and discuss possible candidates but really, it’s anyone’s guess as to how any of them will do. A LaRussa might realize he’s got to work with the NY media. Mattingly might show everyone that he’s picked up more managerial acumen than we think he has. After all, who would’ve though Joe Torre would be the manager for one championship let alone four in five years back in November of 95?

]]> By: Fred http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/comment-page-3/#comment-171804 Fred Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:43:35 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/09/tony-la-russa-say-it-isnt-so/#comment-171804 how about frank robinson or don baylor? fire with substance. how about frank robinson or don baylor? fire with substance.

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