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	<title>Comments on: Free-agent Rivera wants Torre back</title>
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		<title>By: VD</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/10/free-agent-rivera-wants-torre-back/comment-page-4/#comment-173294</link>
		<dc:creator>VD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as the lack of pitching, the lack of a solid bat at first base hurt the Yankees big time. First base is traditionally a position a team expects a lot of production from. I hear a lot about the better bats at other positions compensating for the lack of one thats as good as it might have been at the first. But i cant just buy into that based on the post season experiences over the last few years.

Not taking anything away from Doug M, he is a solid backup and a wonderful late inning defensive replacement at first base. But he is just not the year long regular. And so is the case with Andy.

With the money thats paid to him, Giambi should have been that guy. I hear that he is a solid clubhouse leader and all ,but, putting his entire tenure with the Yankees in perspective, he has been a major disappointment. And, if there is the slightest possibility of cutting him next year, that should be done. 

If the Yankees are serious about pursuing Santana,as is being reported, Giambi might be one of the guys that might have to parceled after eating most of his contract (which we are anyway doing these years considering his playing time). He would be an upgrade for the Twins at the DH and might be willing to waive his no trade clause provided he gets a extension. It might also help the Yankees in saving their Tier I prospects from being traded and give some of the aging legs more time at the DH. And, how they would get serious production at first base! well, thats another question for another day..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as the lack of pitching, the lack of a solid bat at first base hurt the Yankees big time. First base is traditionally a position a team expects a lot of production from. I hear a lot about the better bats at other positions compensating for the lack of one thats as good as it might have been at the first. But i cant just buy into that based on the post season experiences over the last few years.</p>
<p>Not taking anything away from Doug M, he is a solid backup and a wonderful late inning defensive replacement at first base. But he is just not the year long regular. And so is the case with Andy.</p>
<p>With the money thats paid to him, Giambi should have been that guy. I hear that he is a solid clubhouse leader and all ,but, putting his entire tenure with the Yankees in perspective, he has been a major disappointment. And, if there is the slightest possibility of cutting him next year, that should be done. </p>
<p>If the Yankees are serious about pursuing Santana,as is being reported, Giambi might be one of the guys that might have to parceled after eating most of his contract (which we are anyway doing these years considering his playing time). He would be an upgrade for the Twins at the DH and might be willing to waive his no trade clause provided he gets a extension. It might also help the Yankees in saving their Tier I prospects from being traded and give some of the aging legs more time at the DH. And, how they would get serious production at first base! well, thats another question for another day..</p>
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		<title>By: catya</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/10/free-agent-rivera-wants-torre-back/comment-page-4/#comment-173292</link>
		<dc:creator>catya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no more torre your a fanatic!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no more torre your a fanatic!!!</p>
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		<title>By: gianthinker</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/10/free-agent-rivera-wants-torre-back/comment-page-4/#comment-173285</link>
		<dc:creator>gianthinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys/Gals-I want Giambi gone more than most but no one is not going to pay $10 mill let alone $20 mill for his services.  I know jennifer, Drew and raymagnetic think we can just eat half of his deal and pay $10 mill but no team is going to take him even at $10 mill a year.  He use to be worth it when he was on roids but he&#039;s not anymore.  Like Bosco said, Giambi is owed $27 million and has a no-trade clause.  To suggesting we eat half or more of his deal (Approx. $17+ mill) to have him play in another uniform is just a stupid investment.  Dont forget he&#039;s only on contract for one more year so if you&#039;re going to pay that much to get rid of him you&#039;d might as well have his bat in your lineup.  Keep in mind, I hate Giambi but we only have one more year with him so we&#039;d might as well get use to the fact that he&#039;ll be around till his deal is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys/Gals-I want Giambi gone more than most but no one is not going to pay $10 mill let alone $20 mill for his services.  I know jennifer, Drew and raymagnetic think we can just eat half of his deal and pay $10 mill but no team is going to take him even at $10 mill a year.  He use to be worth it when he was on roids but he&#8217;s not anymore.  Like Bosco said, Giambi is owed $27 million and has a no-trade clause.  To suggesting we eat half or more of his deal (Approx. $17+ mill) to have him play in another uniform is just a stupid investment.  Dont forget he&#8217;s only on contract for one more year so if you&#8217;re going to pay that much to get rid of him you&#8217;d might as well have his bat in your lineup.  Keep in mind, I hate Giambi but we only have one more year with him so we&#8217;d might as well get use to the fact that he&#8217;ll be around till his deal is done.</p>
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		<title>By: No Morre Torre</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Morre Torre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this?

Mo takes $7.5M for 2008, $3M </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this?</p>
<p>Mo takes $7.5M for 2008, $3M</p>
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		<title>By: No Morre Torre</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/10/free-agent-rivera-wants-torre-back/comment-page-4/#comment-173245</link>
		<dc:creator>No Morre Torre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing:

The Yanks owe Mo nothing whereas he could give the Yanks a discount so they can get better relief pitching for all the money they&#039;ve paid him throughout his career.

I love how players want to be paid top dollar but it&#039;s heresy for them to take less so the team can sign better players with the money freed up. Paul O&#039;Neill took less so the Yanks could sign good guys or at least have the money to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing:</p>
<p>The Yanks owe Mo nothing whereas he could give the Yanks a discount so they can get better relief pitching for all the money they&#8217;ve paid him throughout his career.</p>
<p>I love how players want to be paid top dollar but it&#8217;s heresy for them to take less so the team can sign better players with the money freed up. Paul O&#8217;Neill took less so the Yanks could sign good guys or at least have the money to.</p>
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		<title>By: No Morre Torre</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Morre Torre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mo, you&#039;re a real ingrate.

First off, you&#039;re not what you once were. Many Yankee fans cringe at the sight of you coming in in the 9th inning after Joba mows down 3 batters in the 8th. If he wasn&#039;t slated to be a starter next year, he would be the closer who could do a job better than you for around $400K, a fraction of the price you think you want which you&#039;re not worth anymore.

Second here&#039;s what the Yanks gave you which includes the most money for a closer or reliever ever and the most lucrative contract by average annual salary for one (no 1999 salary listed for some weird reason -source: COT&#039;s baseball contracts):

2 years/$21M (2005-06), plus $10.5M 2007 club option
* 05:$10.5M, 06:$10.5M, 07:$10.5M club option
  o 2007 guaranteed with 60 GF in 06 OR 114 g 05-06 (vested 2006)
* 4 years/$39.99M (2001-04)
  o $8M signing bonus (paid over 4 years, 2001-04)
  o 01:$7.15M, 02:$7.45M, 03:$8.5M, 04:$8.89M
  o no-trade clause 2001-02; out clause after 2002

WHY&#039;D YOU HAVE AN OUT CLAUSE? FOUR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS AND A THEN RECORD 4-YEAR $39.99M CONTRACT WASN&#039;T ENOUGH FOR YOU?

  o avoided arbitration 2/01 ($10.25M-$9M)
* 1 year/$7.25M (2000), lost arbitration ($9.25M-$7.25M)
* 1 year/$0.75M (1998)
  o renewed 3/98
* 1 year/$0.55M (1997)
* 1 year/$131,125 (1996)
* 1 year/$0.19M (1995)
* signed 2/90 as amateur free agent from Panama, $3,000 signing bonus
* agent: Fernando Cuza
* ML service: 11.105

SO SHUT UP ABOUT BEING DISSED.

Two years @ $10.5M/yr. = $21M or go elsewhere. The Yanks paid you handsomely at every stage of your career esp. after the World Championships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mo, you&#8217;re a real ingrate.</p>
<p>First off, you&#8217;re not what you once were. Many Yankee fans cringe at the sight of you coming in in the 9th inning after Joba mows down 3 batters in the 8th. If he wasn&#8217;t slated to be a starter next year, he would be the closer who could do a job better than you for around $400K, a fraction of the price you think you want which you&#8217;re not worth anymore.</p>
<p>Second here&#8217;s what the Yanks gave you which includes the most money for a closer or reliever ever and the most lucrative contract by average annual salary for one (no 1999 salary listed for some weird reason -source: COT&#8217;s baseball contracts):</p>
<p>2 years/$21M (2005-06), plus $10.5M 2007 club option<br />
* 05:$10.5M, 06:$10.5M, 07:$10.5M club option<br />
  o 2007 guaranteed with 60 GF in 06 OR 114 g 05-06 (vested 2006)<br />
* 4 years/$39.99M (2001-04)<br />
  o $8M signing bonus (paid over 4 years, 2001-04)<br />
  o 01:$7.15M, 02:$7.45M, 03:$8.5M, 04:$8.89M<br />
  o no-trade clause 2001-02; out clause after 2002</p>
<p>WHY&#8217;D YOU HAVE AN OUT CLAUSE? FOUR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS AND A THEN RECORD 4-YEAR $39.99M CONTRACT WASN&#8217;T ENOUGH FOR YOU?</p>
<p>  o avoided arbitration 2/01 ($10.25M-$9M)<br />
* 1 year/$7.25M (2000), lost arbitration ($9.25M-$7.25M)<br />
* 1 year/$0.75M (1998)<br />
  o renewed 3/98<br />
* 1 year/$0.55M (1997)<br />
* 1 year/$131,125 (1996)<br />
* 1 year/$0.19M (1995)<br />
* signed 2/90 as amateur free agent from Panama, $3,000 signing bonus<br />
* agent: Fernando Cuza<br />
* ML service: 11.105</p>
<p>SO SHUT UP ABOUT BEING DISSED.</p>
<p>Two years @ $10.5M/yr. = $21M or go elsewhere. The Yanks paid you handsomely at every stage of your career esp. after the World Championships.</p>
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		<title>By: Enoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto on Reyes.  He stinks.

He personally could have made us play LA instead of Cleveland, had he not been so horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto on Reyes.  He stinks.</p>
<p>He personally could have made us play LA instead of Cleveland, had he not been so horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Reyes&#039; WHIP and the fact that he closed. I know he&#039;s old (37) and he did get beat up by Boston down the stretch, but if the money isn&#039;t obscene I&#039;d give him a look. 

I&#039;m worried Viz is gonna get a big 3 year offer from another team desperate for a reliever. We can&#039;t do that with him. 

Although I think the pen is gonna be solved from within outside of a lefty reliever, unless Igawa somehow becomes our Lefty out of the pen. Shudder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Reyes&#8217; WHIP and the fact that he closed. I know he&#8217;s old (37) and he did get beat up by Boston down the stretch, but if the money isn&#8217;t obscene I&#8217;d give him a look. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m worried Viz is gonna get a big 3 year offer from another team desperate for a reliever. We can&#8217;t do that with him. </p>
<p>Although I think the pen is gonna be solved from within outside of a lefty reliever, unless Igawa somehow becomes our Lefty out of the pen. Shudder.</p>
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		<title>By: Tseng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tseng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of our vets are past their prime. I know they&#039;re fan favorites and whatnot, but if you look at it from a realistic perspective, signing them to long expensive contracts is going to be what hobbles the Yanks and make winning championships very difficult for years to come. Younger players are the way to go. 

That said, I don&#039;t see any replacement for either Jorge or Mo on the market this year that would really satisfy me, so their resignings are probably the best the Yanks can get. Still, I wouldn&#039;t sign them for that long. 

And for people flaming others because they have the audacity to abandon the veteran heros.... no individual is above the team and I care more about the betterment of the team than the people who comprise it. If that means trading or not resigning veterans, so be it. It&#039;s a competitive sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of our vets are past their prime. I know they&#8217;re fan favorites and whatnot, but if you look at it from a realistic perspective, signing them to long expensive contracts is going to be what hobbles the Yanks and make winning championships very difficult for years to come. Younger players are the way to go. </p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t see any replacement for either Jorge or Mo on the market this year that would really satisfy me, so their resignings are probably the best the Yanks can get. Still, I wouldn&#8217;t sign them for that long. </p>
<p>And for people flaming others because they have the audacity to abandon the veteran heros&#8230;. no individual is above the team and I care more about the betterment of the team than the people who comprise it. If that means trading or not resigning veterans, so be it. It&#8217;s a competitive sport.</p>
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		<title>By: catya</title>
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		<dc:creator>catya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me  &quot;lika &quot;saucy,sounds like a plan,I&#039;ve wanted giambi gone for years,a right thinking kind of person!!!!booya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me  &#8220;lika &#8220;saucy,sounds like a plan,I&#8217;ve wanted giambi gone for years,a right thinking kind of person!!!!booya</p>
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