Comments on: Move starting to backfire on Yanks already

By: nancy

nancy — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:20:26 +0000

I meant 2006…sorry! My years get away from me.

By: nancy

nancy — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:17:18 +0000

I’m sad that Joe isn’t coming back and they didn’t negotiate but I can see the other side too, the one that thinks this article is over the top…because it is.

In 2005 Torre totally screwed with the lineup going into the playoffs and they were eliminated. If they fired him last year, I would have said good riddance. This year he didn’t screw with it but he left Joba out there during the bug crisis. But that’s not a reason to fire him.

The bullpen mismangement? maybe. That’s a biggie…

But other than the Joba rules did anyone ever tell him to stop burning out the bullpen? His use of the bullpen and Mo was sometimes head scratching. Did he tell Posada to stop trying to steal bases? I don’t know but he should have. The man is slow as anything. There were other decisions that seemed a bit crazy.

But overall they kept plugging and they made it to the playoffs after being FOURTEEN and a half games back in May.

Was that to Torre’s credit? the players said it was…but the players said when they lost the playoffs that he doesn’t pitch or bat so don’t blame him…so which is it? Did he manage the wins and not have anything to do with the losses?

I don’t know.

I think there is a middle ground somewhere and I wish they’d all take it. I think there is blame for everyone.

By: karlkole

karlkole — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:46:38 +0000

If Posada & Rivera wish to leave because of what happened to Joe Torre, then there’s nothing that can be done to stop them. You can not have the players dictating the rules and direction of the team aka the inmates running the asylum.

The bright side to all these guys leaving; Posada, Rivera, Pettitte, and A-Rod, to name a few, is that the Yankees will be reimburshed with a boatload of 2008 1st round draft picks.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:29:14 +0000

Managers don’t stay forever, and the only thing that’s “embarassing” is the media coverage of this whole thing. I guess if a guy is nice to the beat writers for a few years, he’ll be written about as if he’s entitled to have his contract renewed in perpetuity despite being a HORRIFIC on-field manager.

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:00:03 +0000

If a player does not perform, his next contract will be lower. Giambi is scheduled to make $22m in the last year of his contract. Giambi didn’t perform so he will take a big reduction in his next contract. So does Torre think he is the exception? He didn’t perform so he should take a pay cut just like a player would. Torre still would be the highest paid manager. Pinella is the next highest paid manager at $3.5M If Torre wants to go anywhere else, he will take a even bigger pay cut.

By: Drew

Drew — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:24:12 +0000

Pete, thanks for the tip on the Verducci article. There’s no baseball writer I respect more than him. It was an excellent piece and it definitely makes you worry about a return to the CBS days.

By: The Count of Montefusco

The Count of Montefusco — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:39:49 +0000

Sorry – 35TH anniversary!!

By: The Count of Montefusco

The Count of Montefusco — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:38:51 +0000

“The rest of you are about to find out the repercussions of having a baseball illiterate, bombastic blowhard like Randy Levine running the organization.”

Hahahaha this is the funniest thing I’ve ever read on this blog! Are you SERIOUS??? 2008 will be the 25th Anniversary of EXACTLY that kind of leadership.

This is one of those threads that is going to be hilarious to read again in May when the Yankees have a six-game lead.

Enough with tke sky is falling already. Doesn’t anybody even remember the panic surrounding Buck’s departure thirteen years ago? Give me a break.

By: TurnTwo

TurnTwo — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:07:07 +0000

I cant read through all 84 or wahetever comments, so this may have been said, but what makes the fact that Ozzie Guillen and Joe Maddon were given multi-year extentions right? Weren’t people laughing when Reinsdorf gave Guillen his extention? I know I was.

Maddon, I can understand. Different situation with a young team growing and a franchise finally trying to build with pitching.

But Teflon Torre has not fulfilled his job expectations for 7 years now. I’m not saying the job expectations are right, but you cant argue that he failed at his boss’s goal… and I just cant feel bad for a guy who turned down what would have been really $6 million for a year to coach a baseball team. He was still the highest paid manager in the game, by more than $1.5 million at the minimum.

By: little m

little m — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:02:50 +0000

A bad, bad move, gracelessly executed and beneath all concerned. If the Yankees didn’t want Joe back, they could have just thanked him for his services and wished him all the best in his future endeavors. There was no need for this seventh grade mean girl gamesmanship. And please stop with the performance-based model nonsense – no one really believes it. All in all, a classless and needlessly petty performance by the Yankees front office. It will serve them right if they end up paying through the nose to keep Mo and Jorge as a result.

In other baseball news, Cleveland has done their best to make sure the ALDS gets back to Boston. CC couldn’t hold a 1-0 lead, while Beckett had thrown 80-something pitches through 7. And now having coughed it up in the 8th, they’re down by 6 in the 9th. Amazing how fast things can turn ugly . . . Good luck to Fausto Carmona trying to shut the door in Fenway. Maybe they should pitch Paul Bird on short rest . . .