Comments on: Statement from Don Mattingly http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:21:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rafael http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-184917 Rafael Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:01:52 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-184917 Don't feel sorry for any of these guys, Torre, Mattingly or Peña. They will all have jobs after this season. I love Torre and what he did for us but everything comes to an end. If Torre didn't leave now it would be worse for him if the same thing happens next year. I am of firm belief that every well runs dry eventually and the same tactics that worked for Torre earlier is not working now, it has gone stale and it was time for a fresh start for the Yankees and Torre. What's more upsetting is Torre's comments about not coming back to the Stadium if he's invited. That's a slap in the face to all Yankee fans who supported Joe for over a decade. Some advise Joe, don't take out your frustrations on the fans because you feel Randy Levine is a jerk (and he is cause I met the guy). If you are invited to the Stadium, you come because of the fans. Don't take it out on us. That's more upsetting then you leaving. A Rod, get out of here because we can tell, NYC is not the place for you. Don’t feel sorry for any of these guys, Torre, Mattingly or Peña. They will all have jobs after this season. I love Torre and what he did for us but everything comes to an end. If Torre didn’t leave now it would be worse for him if the same thing happens next year. I am of firm belief that every well runs dry eventually and the same tactics that worked for Torre earlier is not working now, it has gone stale and it was time for a fresh start for the Yankees and Torre. What’s more upsetting is Torre’s comments about not coming back to the Stadium if he’s invited. That’s a slap in the face to all Yankee fans who supported Joe for over a decade. Some advise Joe, don’t take out your frustrations on the fans because you feel Randy Levine is a jerk (and he is cause I met the guy). If you are invited to the Stadium, you come because of the fans. Don’t take it out on us. That’s more upsetting then you leaving. A Rod, get out of here because we can tell, NYC is not the place for you.

]]> By: Eric Young http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176833 Eric Young Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:50:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176833 LOL, BB... I've gotten so frustrated with ESPN the past couple of years, I forgot I was even on it!! BTW, if the OTHER Eric Young ever wants my web page, I'm open to a chunky offer...I promise won't feel insulted if it's below $1 million. For the right price, he can buy my dignity. LOL, BB…

I’ve gotten so frustrated with ESPN the past couple of years, I forgot I was even on it!!

BTW, if the OTHER Eric Young ever wants my web page, I’m open to a chunky offer…I promise won’t feel insulted if it’s below $1 million.

For the right price, he can buy my dignity.

]]> By: Jim Clark http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176797 Jim Clark Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:18:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176797 What Pete Abraham forgets in his post about the Yankees of the 1980s is the baseball structure was different from the Joe Torre era. There were two divisions and no wild card. Most of the teams in the AL East had strong teams: Baltimore, Toronto, Detroit and Boston so the Yankees could only win two division titles (1980 and 1981). With Cleveland in the AL Central Torre was able to win the AL East in 1996 and 2000 that if wouldn't have otherwise in addition to 1997's wild card. Perhaps the Yankees would have played better and spent more money to over come Cleveland if they had, perhaps they would have lost like Minaya's Mets did this, who knows. But the Yankees of the 1980s (as well as the Mets) would have had several playoff trips if there was a wild card. But certainly Steinbrenner was at his worst: always changing managers, changing directions, didn't understand the need for pitching, obsessed with the Mets having Gooden he promoted Jose Rijo too early and Deion Sanders as well. But the Yankees contended most years, it wasn't the CBS Yankees of my youth or the Dolan Knicks of today. Eric Young's comments about Tom Yawkey being "tight fisted" is very wrong. Racist, yes. But Yawkey from the beginning spent huge amounts of money to bring in stars like Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove and Joe Cronin. He did invest in a farm system that produced Ted Williams, Bobby Doeer, Dom DiMaggio and Johnny Pesky. However after about 1950 he seemed to lose interest in it. Gave power to too many different people who kept their cronies in jobs they couldn't do. Was slow to integrate (dead last unless you want to count the NFL Redskins and a lot of southern college teams). What the current Red Sox ownership does is spend money wisely and have a plan to win. Sometimes a stupid one (Bullpen by committee) but a plan they will change if it fails. What Pete Abraham forgets in his post about the Yankees of the 1980s is the baseball structure was different from the Joe Torre era. There were two divisions and no wild card. Most of the teams in the AL East had strong teams: Baltimore, Toronto, Detroit and Boston so the Yankees could only win two division titles (1980 and 1981). With Cleveland in the AL Central Torre was able to win the AL East in 1996 and 2000 that if wouldn’t have otherwise in addition to 1997′s wild card. Perhaps the Yankees would have played better and spent more money to over come Cleveland if they had, perhaps they would have lost like Minaya’s Mets did this, who knows. But the Yankees of the 1980s (as well as the Mets) would have had several playoff trips if there was a wild card. But certainly Steinbrenner was at his worst: always changing managers, changing directions, didn’t understand the need for pitching, obsessed with the Mets having Gooden he promoted Jose Rijo too early and Deion Sanders as well. But the Yankees contended most years, it wasn’t the CBS Yankees of my youth or the Dolan Knicks of today.
Eric Young’s comments about Tom Yawkey being “tight fisted” is very wrong. Racist, yes. But Yawkey from the beginning spent huge amounts of money to bring in stars like Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove and Joe Cronin. He did invest in a farm system that produced Ted Williams, Bobby Doeer, Dom DiMaggio and Johnny Pesky. However after about 1950 he seemed to lose interest in it. Gave power to too many different people who kept their cronies in jobs they couldn’t do. Was slow to integrate (dead last unless you want to count the NFL Redskins and a lot of southern college teams). What the current Red Sox ownership does is spend money wisely and have a plan to win. Sometimes a stupid one (Bullpen by committee) but a plan they will change if it fails.

]]> By: Bronx Bomber http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176721 Bronx Bomber Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:15:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176721 EY: I got ya back....the media is self-serving. Joe could have well accepted that offer and no one would have thought any less of him. PS-You've improved alot on Baseball Tonight. EY:

I got ya back….the media is self-serving. Joe could have well accepted that offer and no one would have thought any less of him.

PS-You’ve improved alot on Baseball Tonight.

]]> By: Dr. Acula http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176669 Dr. Acula Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:21:03 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176669 If ya interested Torre called in to WFAN this afternoon. you can listen to the segment "Here":http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1076060 If ya interested Torre called in to WFAN this afternoon.

you can listen to the segment “Here”:http://www.wfan.com/topic/play.....Id=1076060

]]> By: Dr. Acula http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176658 Dr. Acula Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:13:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176658 I saw Ian O'Connor say "someone" dropped Big Stein's private phone number in his lap, which led to the exclusive interview. Being half Italian I shoulda picked up on this immediately. To paraphrase the "Godfather": "But I didn't know until this day that it was Randy Levine all along." I saw Ian O’Connor say “someone” dropped Big Stein’s private phone number in his lap, which led to the exclusive interview.

Being half Italian I shoulda picked up on this immediately.

To paraphrase the “Godfather”: “But I didn’t know until this day that it was Randy Levine all along.”

]]> By: Eric Young http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176644 Eric Young Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:53:39 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176644 Peter - Ouch!! I'm thrilled to have earned a comment...and let me finally say directly to you how much I love and am grateful for your blog and your writing. I'm sure you've read Henry Fetter's "Taking on the Yankees." If not I'll be happy to send you a copy. Surely, you’re not denying 29 winning seasons against 5 losing ones under Steinbrenner, the winning seasons under Ruppert and Topping - all owners willing to invest in the product on the field – or the losing seasons under CBS or Ferrell and Devery in the early 1900’s. Rickey invested in farm systems, both with St. Louis and then with O'Malley in Brokklyn and LA with winning results. The Red Sox were generally losers under tight-fisted Yawkey; a more freespending Henry and Company have made our rivals consistent winners since 2002. And we can just go over to Long Island and compare the Mets under Mrs. Payson and Donald Grant against that team’s current ownership. Statistically, it bears out that ownership is the critical difference that survives the emergence or decline of any one or two or three star players – regardless of the sport (ask any 49er fan still in mourning over the demise of Eddie DeBartolo). I'm a bit surprised that I earned such a personal knock from you, Pete. Granted, I have been arguing loudly that, in this instance, the media has been biased in favor of Torre and against the NYY and that the bias is personal and unjustified. You may well take umbrage at my statements, but I am hardly alone in my viewpoint. Indeed, there has been a fierce debate within this very blog as to whether the press is being fair to all sides these past few days. Without counting the number of pro- or anti-Torre posts, it seems uncontestable there is a sizable group of fans that do not think Yankee management has been out of line at all. Yet this is a viewpoint that we are hard-pressed to find being expressed except in the most cob-webbed corners of the reporting world. Peter -

Ouch!! I’m thrilled to have earned a comment…and let me finally say directly to you how much I love and am grateful for your blog and your writing.

I’m sure you’ve read Henry Fetter’s “Taking on the Yankees.” If not I’ll be happy to send you a copy.

Surely, you’re not denying 29 winning seasons against 5 losing ones under Steinbrenner, the winning seasons under Ruppert and Topping – all owners willing to invest in the product on the field – or the losing seasons under CBS or Ferrell and Devery in the early 1900’s.

Rickey invested in farm systems, both with St. Louis and then with O’Malley in Brokklyn and LA with winning results.

The Red Sox were generally losers under tight-fisted Yawkey; a more freespending Henry and Company have made our rivals consistent winners since 2002.

And we can just go over to Long Island and compare the Mets under Mrs. Payson and Donald Grant against that team’s current ownership.

Statistically, it bears out that ownership is the critical difference that survives the emergence or decline of any one or two or three star players – regardless of the sport (ask any 49er fan still in mourning over the demise of Eddie DeBartolo).

I’m a bit surprised that I earned such a personal knock from you, Pete. Granted, I have been arguing loudly that, in this instance, the media has been biased in favor of Torre and against the NYY and that the bias is personal and unjustified.

You may well take umbrage at my statements, but I am hardly alone in my viewpoint. Indeed, there has been a fierce debate within this very blog as to whether the press is being fair to all sides these past few days. Without counting the number of pro- or anti-Torre posts, it seems uncontestable there is a sizable group of fans that do not think Yankee management has been out of line at all. Yet this is a viewpoint that we are hard-pressed to find being expressed except in the most cob-webbed corners of the reporting world.

]]> By: Dr. Acula http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176629 Dr. Acula Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:44:12 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176629 _The next mgr should be picked from this BLOG._ Thank you. Thank you. I proudly accept! _The next mgr should be picked from this BLOG._

Thank you. Thank you.

I proudly accept!

]]> By: Girardi http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176622 Girardi Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:34:10 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176622 > Owners build dynasties? How many titles did the Steinbrenners win > from 1978-95? That would be none. The Yankees were a train wreck for > years. Money does not buy titles. Charcter, talent and hard work does. And all that was in place before Torre was handed the job of his life. Seriously, just quit it. JOE. TORRE. DID. NOT. "BUILD". THE. DYNASTY. Thank Gene Michael. Not Joe Torre. Joe just had to assume the role of Casey Stengall and sit there and play Papa Joe. And I love the way you cherry pick your stats. (The 78-95 bit. Ha! That was a good one.) And you might want to revisit "train wreck". The 80's weren't always pretty, but the team itself wasn't always as bad as people seem to make it out to be. Next year is going to be great. Your beat job is gonna be even more fun when the Yanks are no longer laughingstocks. Ok, I'm ready: call me some names now for disagreeing with you... > Owners build dynasties? How many titles did the Steinbrenners win
> from 1978-95? That would be none. The Yankees were a train wreck for > years. Money does not buy titles. Charcter, talent and hard work does.

And all that was in place before Torre was handed the job of his life. Seriously, just quit it.

JOE. TORRE. DID. NOT. “BUILD”. THE. DYNASTY.

Thank Gene Michael. Not Joe Torre. Joe just had to assume the role of Casey Stengall and sit there and play Papa Joe.

And I love the way you cherry pick your stats. (The 78-95 bit. Ha! That was a good one.)

And you might want to revisit “train wreck”. The 80′s weren’t always pretty, but the team itself wasn’t always as bad as people seem to make it out to be.

Next year is going to be great. Your beat job is gonna be even more fun when the Yanks are no longer laughingstocks.

Ok, I’m ready: call me some names now for disagreeing with you…

]]> By: Andrea http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/comment-page-2/#comment-176599 Andrea Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:18:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/10/19/statement-from-don-mattingly/#comment-176599 Gosh, you're swell, Pete Abe. Gosh, you’re swell, Pete Abe.

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