End of the day in Tampa
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 22, 2007 
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Good luck Joe, I’m pulling for you. If the prima-donnas threatening to leave with Torre dont want to play for you, then I say good riddance to them!
Isn’t it about time for Hank to tell us that Bernie was an aging has-been who should thank the Yankees for gifting him with a large contract? And that Jeter was a nobody until the Yankees signed him?
The charm offensive continues…
I don’t think they will talk to reporters at all until they make a decision. it wouldn’t be right if they did.
I can’t wait till Tony Pena interviews.
What are the chances the Yankees bring back Bernie as a coach, sort of how the Mets hired Ricky Henderson, I think Berine could make a great coach (not manager) but he’d be a great 3rd base coach even 1st base coach.
Girardi should hold a press conference and say he was insulted
“I think Berine could make a great coach (not manager) but he’d be a great 3rd base coach”
Why do you think that? I love Bernie, but he was a horrendous base runner.
“loquacious” is defined as tasting of or like licorice.
As in “The Licorice Peter bought from the Licorice store was loquacious” or
“Hank Steinbrenner’s breath smelled loquacious after spending 15 minutes alone with Randy Levine and his licorice flavor body cologne”.
Paul O’Neil would make for a great third base coach! Bernie is too soft for my liking at a very critical coaches position.
I can’t see Bernie taking any coaching jobs with the Yanks if they were offered.
Think he might be interesting in the broadcast booth? (I’m asking…)
Wow, read the Colorado article from a month ago, where Mattingly talks about how he really isn’t ready to manage yet, how he only focused on hitting last year. At this point, I’m pulling for Tony Pena. I don’t like the “control” issue attached to Girardi.
I don’t see Bernie doing anything with the Yankees too soon. And you need an experience 3rd base coach. Paulie being 1st base coach would make more sense.
I could see Paul O’Neill picking up a bat & busting some water coolers as a ‘clubhouse motivator’ but I couldn’t see him as 3B coach.
hi, my name is randy levine, and i insult people with 5 million dollar contracts.
I cant see Bernie doing anything but sitting home and playing guitar. Besides, I dont want him as a Yankee coach. He is too laid back. We need someone with fire…someone like Larry Bowa.
I am surprised we havent heard much about other surprise candidates for the position i.e. Chili Davis, David Justice,Ron Hassey, Dave Righetti. All former yanks with potential to be managers one day.
Bernie could be hitting coach or maybe manage in the minors, no, did anyone think of that. And he could also teach some of the youngones to play the gui-tar and to speak spanish (the none-spanish speaking youngones that is). Paulie could be “cursing” and “bat breaking” and “gatorade throwing” coach to all these guys. I figure if any of them hit into a dp in a clutch situation like the “supposed” Captain Clutch did six times in the ALDS, he would personally grab them by the neck and berate them so loud they would sure not do it again. It would be great to have those guys around with either Donie or Joe Girardi, but the bottom line is, it won’t happen. This is a new Yankee era and we will just have to learn to love the personalities that emerge which will hopefully have some concept of how to play baseball with the grit and determination that defined the 96-01 teams.
I really hope Girardi gets the job!
Mo Rivera was interviewed on Sirius radio a bit ago on the Steiner Sports show:
Bogusch: “What does this mean for you, Mariano? Obviously, everyone knows your contract status. Do you need to know who the Yankee manager is before you start talking to [Yankees GM] Brian Cashman?”
Rivera: “Not really. Not really. I know the Yankees are going to do whatever they think is best for the team. I always respect them for that. The Yankees always have given the opportunity to give us the best everything, the best players, the best coaching staff. They always tried to do that. I don’t think it has to do nothing, with me, in terms of signing with the Yankees.”
Steiner: “I would assume you’ll be wearing pinstripes next year. There’s a good chance. Would you say, on a scale of 1 to 10, what number you’re at as far as being a Yankee?”
Rivera: “Well, all depends with the Yankees. Definitely they know my feelings. They know how I feel. I let them know the way I felt. They know what they have to do so I don’t worry about it. The ball is in their court and I’m just being patient and waiting patiently.”
Bogusch: “Is there anger on your part that this was not done in the spring, that you’re actually at this point having to figure out what to do? Are you upset that there wasn’t an extension already done?”
Rivera: “No, I wasn’t upset. I see it as a business. I don’t know what they thought but they didn’t want to do it at the time. So it was okay for me. I was okay with it.”
david justice as coach?
Jeff NJ…
Freakin hilarious… Nice post.
“Not really. Not really. I know the Yankees are going to do whatever they think is best for the team. I always respect them for that. The Yankees always have given the opportunity to give us the best everything, the best players, the best coaching staff. They always tried to do that. I don’t think it has to do nothing, with me, in terms of signing with the Yankees.�
love that, and now boras in some recent interview has begun his petty transparent posturing by playing up the uncertainty of the future of the team as a way for a-rod to opt-out and save face. please… how long did they think torre would coach anyway? and they wanted to make a 12 year deal… for some reason i get a feeling torre wouldn’t have coached the next 12 years here, dunno just a crazy feeling…
i hope he opts out and falls from grace completely. its bush league, what those two weasels are trying to pull, u can really see it when u read mariano’s quote.
Any word on Bowa? Not as manager, but returning as a coach? Last I heard him mentioned, it was as a candidate for Seattle’s 3b coach. I think it’s key to keep him on the coaching staff in some capacity, especially if they go with a green manager. As for Bernie – I think he’d probably be really good at player development in the minors, but not so much as a coach – he’s never really had those hard-core baseball instincts, just natural athletic ability, which would make it hard to be successful as a coach I think. But he’ll probably just stick to guitar…
Boras never said it was only about the manager. Here’s his quote.
“We have to see if the Steinbrenner philosophy of old is the Steinbrenner philosophies of the present,” said Boras.
Sounds like he wants to see if the stability and committment level to winning under George is still there under Hank and Hal. A-Rod already did the money grab thing in Texas only to find himself on a team he couldn’t wait to get off of. If I was making a 2 or 3 year committment and I already had rings, it might not matter as much. If I was making a 10 year committment and the goal was to get to a WS and get a ring, I’d want to know what the team had planned for the future too.
Pete and Jeff NJ,
Thank you both so much for making me laugh!
Bernie? As a coach? I love Bernie. Nope.
And Paul O’Neill only ever got aggravated at himself. All his anger or frustration was always self-directed. But I do think he’d make a pretty good something coach. I think he is far more patient with other people than he is with himself. Fire is good to have, but you need to temper it with patience.
I would be satisfied with any of the three candidates. I think they’re all qualified in their own ways. Plus, I have no doubt that the front office is still committed to winning. They will probably not go about things exactly as George would have, but that does not mean their commitment is any weaker than his. The Yankees are a brand. You need your brand to be successful to make money. If the Yankees don’t win, they won’t have a successful brand. So purely from a business standpoint, it is in their best interests to field a winning team.
Those are fairly reassuring words from Mo, but I won’t rest easy till I know for sure…
Pete, you gotta weigh in here. People are suggesting Bernie for a coach to tutor the young kids. To me, it seems like the last thing he’d want to do or be good at. How was his personality in the locker room? From comments I’ve read over the years, he didn’t seem one to be very talkative or helpful to young players and spent as little time as possible in the clubhouse. I’m sure Melky didn’t get a lot of pointers on how to take his job. True or false?
Bowa I read has told the Mariners that he has some “personal issues” that he has to deal with before giving them the final ok. Me and it is nothing more than hearing what he has said the past couple of days I think he wants to stay in New York but it is hard to do that when you are not given a for sure job and have to wait until they decide on a manager which maybe this week who knows.
Please please please can we stop with the Bernie, Paul, David Justice coaching talk that is your heart talking not your brain. The only one mentiooned is Dave Righetti who actually is a good pitching coach with year(s) of experience.
Tony Pena vs. Joe Girardi vs. Donnie Mattingly
Joe G. probably gets my vote, but frankly, I’d be satisfied with any one of them (or Larry Bowa for that matter).
Just glad I don’t have to make that decision.
Gayle,
I heard Bowa’s interview on WFAN the other day. Sounds like he definitely wants to stay in NY, but knows a new manager is likely going to bring new coaches.
RSM I would venture that if Mattingly or Pena get the gig they will want Bowa. Gorardi I have no idea. Someone asked this the other day but have ot seen an asnwer who were Girardi’s coaches in Florida and were they his choice or the teams choice. Remember when Mazz was in Baltimore they didnt let him pick his own coaches
bernie as a coach get real he was great ballplayer but he has no baseball sense, people i know in the biz say he just plain stupid when it comes to BB
i have a question for anyone, as it stands right now our only main real setup man we have is kyle farnsworth who i am not content with keeping, maybe he could become a decent 7th inning. But with the need of having a lefty also in the bullpen has anyone entertained the idea of having kei igawa moved into that spot? Now i know everyone saw how he did in maybe 1 or two instances late in the season out of the pen, but when he actually was still given the chance to start i remember Yes putting a graphic that he hadnt allowed a run in the first inning maybe 8 in a row. so maybe we could try him in that spot but i still think a reliable arm in the pen is necessary
what about multi-managers. Pena could manage the first two months, Mattingly could manage middle, and Girardi could manage on the stretch run.
everyone seems to want fire in the coaching staff now that Bowa is gone. Is there any thought to make Paul O’Neill a couch? I don’t think you could get much more fiery than that, he is also very close with Mattingly and the core guys. Any opinions?
How about Tom Kelly coming out of retirement. One of the best to don a manager’s uniform. He’s from Jersey, so maybe he listens to an offer….
It’s not fair to say that Bernie had no baseball sense. I have heard that he is just in another world. And actually, Joe Torre himself had said the same thing on occasion. Bernie was Bernie. A very good ballplayer, but has many other things on his mind.
Defense Matters –
I don’t think Paul O’Neill would make a good couch at all. He’s too angular!
(sorry, I couldn’t resist)
Girardi’s coaches in Florida were Lee Emery and Frank Sutton.
Think outside the box. Don’t just give the job to someone because they are “family”.
The best managers in Yankee history came from elsewhere (Huggins, McCarthy, Stengel and Torre).
Think of someone like Ken Macha, who only averaged 92 wins a year in his four years with Oakland and who had the A’s in last year’s ALCS.
If Donnie, Joe or Tony get hired, fine. But make sure you interview qualified individuals like a Macha.
Tom Kelly-Manager
Mattingly-Bench Coach
Mazzone-Pitching Coach
Rudy Jamarillo-Hitting Coach
Bowa-3rd base Coach
Pena-1st base Coach
Eiland-Bull Pen Coach.
Allstar coaching staff for allstar team….
VoIII
I thought of him, too. Good job thinking outside the box.
Did Girardi choose his own coaches, or did Marlins management do that?
I definitely don’t have any inside info on what will happen, but I would guess that Paul O’Neill wouldn’t enjoy people sitting on him. Paul as a couch, Bernie as a chair!
Defense matters- I’m sorry, I just got a kick out of that. I’m not making fun of you. My spelling is as bad as anyone’s!
Dave Righetti has good credentials as a pitching coach but “Rags” is a west coast guy and has said so in the past.
Paulie a couch……no, he is more like a coffee table.
Orel Hershisher for pitching coach
Yankees to interview a woman for mgr, rumour has it, Suzyn Waldman
Sounds great, Bob!
John Sterling as Bench Coach and Rawwww-ger Clemens as Pitching Coach will be her first selections!
What about Luis Sojo?
What about Buck????
“i hope he opts out and falls from grace completely. its bush league, what those two weasels are trying to pull, u can really see it when u read mariano’s quote.”
umm, what are you talking about? Mariano just said that letting Torre go is NOT going to affect his decision to resign with the Yankees.
are you reading the same interview that i am?? i read that interview by Mo as saying it is VERY likely he will be back.
These are questions for Peter or anyone else who knows the answers. They may have been answered somewhere else but I confess that I haven’t attempted to view every single comment during OcTorrefest. I hope that by asking the question I am not prolonging the agony of those on all sides of the issues. Personally, I formed my conclusions, shich will remain personal, and have moved on from the scene of the wreck. I am focusing on what the Yankees can do to prepare for the 2008 season, and I am appreciative for the role that Mr. Torre played in Yankee entertainment history over the past twelve years.
Now for the question: Many, including Peter, seem to think that there is a substantial probability that Torre will manage again for another team. In Cot’s Baseball Contracts (which is linked on this page), it is indicated that the extension for 2005 through 2007 which Torre signed in April 2004 included a 6 year consulting agreement after the expiration of the managerial contract in 2007. If there is such an agreement, has Torre been quietly released from that obligation? Cot’s doesn’t have much detail on the consulting agreement. Consulting for one team and managing for another at the same time would seem a substantial conflict of interest. I realize that the Yankees could release Torre from such an agreement, but have they? If they haven’t, are they likely to do it in the future? I don’t know the amount of money in the agreement for the consulting, but, if it isn’t much, I could readily imagine Steinbrenner paying it just to keep Torre from showing up in the Mets dugout as opposing manager in a Subway Series in the next 6 years. Or do you think that the Yankees could get another team to compensate them to allow Torre to work for another team? Maybe the consulting agreement is more like a Torre option to consult for the Yankees if he doesn’t find other employment he likes better. I would appreciate any information anyone has on these questions, or perhaps it would be a question an inquiring member of the mainstream press might want to ask. You did say that Torre will be interviewed by Costas on HBO didn’t you?