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That is a good point. There is much to be learned. Also, one should always begin a sentence with a capital letter.
Peter,
at what time do you sleep?
Are the Yankees being deliberate or are they being delayed by Bud Selig? Apparently the Yankees have been told that they can’t make a decision until Tuesday, the next scheduled World Series day off.
Heaven forbid, the Yankees announcement interrupts this snoozefest of a World Series. On the other hand, it shows you how important the Yankees are to baseball when the Commissioner of the game knows the announcement of the next Yankee manager is bigger news than anything coming out of the World Series.
Let’s just hope the Yanks don’t lose Larry Bowa because of it.
It would be awesome if they announced the re-signings of Mo and Po as you mentioned in the article. Those would go a long way in re-establishing what kind of team we are going to have and what the new Steinbrenner group will do esp. with the $$$$.
Hopefully we hear something today.
question for intrepid-reporter Pete:
everywhere one reads this post-season in the media feeding frenzy related to A-Rod-Pettitte-Posada-Mattingly-Torre-Girardi-Peña… one gets that one-liner at the end of the article: Ron Guidry will not be returning next season to the Yankees as pitching coach.
So…, he was “canned” as he performed negatively last season? he quit for reasons known or unknown? There are never any more comments on Guidry’s role except for that one-liner. do you have any idea as to what’s up with that?
And…
the other thing we are reading as a constant one-liner without much dissection is that if Girardi (or long-shot Peña) is named Yankees manager for 2008, then Mattingly leaves the organization.
Is this because he feels it would be a personal snub? Does he have other fish to fry? What’s up with that? Why couldn’t he stay on in some capacity? Would someone throw out this question at a press-conference or is it too charged? thx.
If Girardi is hired You can kiss Bowa good-bye…Maybe the rest of the Coaching staff and at least one of the big F/As…You can also kiss the elbos of the young pitching good-bye…Just ask Sanchez and Johnson of the Marlins….
I often wonder why the fate of Guidry is so overshadowed by the concern for MAttingly. I guess it is the age of the fans expressing the sentiment.
For some of us, Gator is every bit the Icon, if not more so!
i have the feeling bowa is still waiting to see if he’s needed in any capacity. mattingly will be thought to need a bench coach with XP, girardi less so.
I don’t know. Part of me says that Torre’s refusal/dismissal/firing was the first misstep of the new management and they’re now being a lot more careful. However the other part of me wonders if they’re not just morons.
One thing to be sure of though. Even if they are being careful if they lose Donnie and one more icon (Posada, Mo’, A-Rod) they will be crucified by the fans as the people who “dismantled” the Yankees.
One thing I wonder is with all the money they have why don’t they hire more (and listen more to) high quality advisors…people who really know how to find and cultivate talent.
A bit off topic I know but a curious situation.
Who cares if Mattingly leaves the organization? He expects to get the top job (without any experience) over a clearly superior candidate and if he doesn’t get it he’ll bolt? Sounds like he’s more concerned about himself that the organization. If he wants to manage some day he should start at a lower level and I’m sure the Yankees would give him that chance.
No one is owed the top job.
As much as I hate to root against Donny M., I’m hoping The Yankees hire Girardi.
Ant928–
Trust your other part.
It doesnt matter what brian cashman chooses. According to the new york media, the guy is not responsible for anything wrong with the yankees.
VOIII:
“You can also kiss the elbos of the young pitching good-bye…Just ask Sanchez and Johnson of the Marlins….”
Sanchez was always hurt in the minors, just ask the Red Sox. He had already had one surgery when he was a member of the Red Sox and had his first injury free season as a member of Girardi’s Marlins.
About Johnson, did you know that the Mets pitcher also stayed in the game after the rain delay and his elbow wasn’t hurt? Could it be possible that young pitchers just get hurt sometimes?
It almost sounds like the best (only) reason to pick Mattingly is that he would leave in a huff if he doesn’t get the job.
That’s a ridiculously bad reason to hire anyone.
If Mattingly doesn’t understand that no one should get to be the manager of the NY Yankees for their first managerial job, then he doesn’t have the requisite character to remain in the organization anyway.
Mattingly should volunteer to be the manager at AAA this season.
“According to the new york media, the guy is not responsible for anything wrong with the yankees.”
Read today’s Bill Madden’s column.
Anyone who follows the Yankees closely, knows that Cash is responsible for the Brown, Weaver, and Vazquez trades, and the Farnsworth, Igawa, and Pavano signings, but he is also responsible for the A-Rod trade, the Abreu trade, the development of Cano, Melky, Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy, as well as the current surfeit of talent that has enabled the farm system to become so highly ranked.
In fact, the reason that Cash had to gamble on the Weavers and the Vazquezes of the world is that the farm system had produced so little for over a decade, a period of time during which he had nothing to do with running the farm system.
So sure, Cash has made mistakes, but right now the future is so bright that you have to wear shades because of him as well.
Could the “delay” really just be the negotiations with the new hire? Where are Cash, Donnie, Joe G. and Tony? If Cash is in the same town with any of them, that might indicate who has been picked.
Where did you see that Gator won’t be back? I haven’t seen it.
_If Girardi is hired You can kiss Bowa good-bye…Maybe the rest of the Coaching staff and at least one of the big F/As_
Gee, I don’t think Bowa is a good kisser, do you? Maybe ARod, but he’s had alotta coaching.
As for the rest of the staff, Pena has a ‘stache and that tickles..
Check out my ‘stache
http://tinyurl.com/2xrmbb
Nice article on Joe G. in today’s Times
http://tinyurl.com/2cze6l
Here’s some highlights:
* Girardi, who has an engineering degree from Northwestern, is unquestionably bright. He has been passionate about managing since his playing days, and he was a leader on three Yankees title teams in the 1990s.
* “Everyone always said how important Paul O’Neill was to those teams, because of the energy he brought to the ballpark every single day, and Joe’s the same way,� reliever Mike Stanton said in 2005. “If guys were having tough times, he was a guy you could look at, because he just had that natural energy.�
That’s the one thing I see in Donnie – en·er·gy
As someone wrote in a recent letter to the NY Post:
_Donnie Baseball is just another Torre, before long he will be sleeping on the bench like Torre._
I’ve been wondering about all this talk about new pitching coach, i.e. Eiland, etc. So what is the scoop on Gator, I liked him as a player, but I don’t know about his coaching skills, either he didn’t have a backbone, or Torre really did run the pitchers too.
whoa:
“In fact, the reason that Cash had to gamble on the Weavers and the Vazquezes of the world is that the farm system had produced so little for over a decade, a period of time during which he had nothing to do with running the farm system.”
I’m not sure I’ve seen it put so succinctly before, but I think you are 100% correct. Add Pavano in there too.
That thinking might also explain Igawa. Maybe once Cash decided that Lilly and Zito were not a good fit, and after they signed Pettitte, they looked around and saw no other desirable lefties on the horizon in the next couple of years, unless they make a run at a Free Agent Sabathia, or trade for/wait for Santana. Igawa was a buy on spec (Cashman went way out of the way to dampen down expectations of Igawa in 2007), with the hope that they could re-build him in a year or so and plug him in for 2008, or maybe use him as a hedge against not getting Sabathia or Santana.
If this delay is about avoiding a PR disaster, we are in for a long wait. It took 2 weeks for this group to try and avoid their last one and that didn’t turn out so well.
I still think they know who they want but aren’t saying until they can go public with it. How about a mass press conference? New manager announced, Mo, Jorge and A-Rod all signed and in attendance. Now that would be good PR.
Btw, what the hell is a “director of mental conditioning” ?
Do they compose crossword puzzles and Yankee scrabble ?
Remember Randy used liquid titanium to speed muscle recovery and eye condition is now common place -http://tinyurl.com/2r63s7 – but has anyone ever read about
these brain busters ? Do they help with hangovers?
I’d rather they take their time in picking a new manager then rush into something they may regret in the summer of ’08.
“About Johnson, did you know that the Mets pitcher also stayed in the game after the rain delay and his elbow wasn’t hurt? Could it be possible that young pitchers just get hurt sometimes?”
Young pitchers do just get hurt, which is why you don’t risk them in situations like that. It’s common sense and if Girardi is willing to make that decision then I don’t entirely trust him with P-Huge and Joba.
Throw in the problems taking orders from Beinfest, the fact he favors veterans and was forced to play the Marlins’ young talent, and he didn’t have the sense not to have a blowout with Loria on the field and I’m not interested in Girardi at all.
_he didn’t have the sense not to have a blowout with Loria on the field and I’m not interested in Girardi at all._
Sounds like you would have fired Billy after the dugout fight he had with Reggie.
I always enjoy uninformed hit and run shots at the candidates.
Today, its Girardi’s turn. Yesterday, it was Mattingly.
So, Girardi got Annibal Sanchez and Josh Johnson hurt?
Let’s break that down. First off, Annibal Sanchez (who has a shoulder problem, not an elbow problem) has been healthy for ONE of his last 4 seasons in professional baseball. Guess which season that was? The year Joe Girardi had him.
He changed his delivery to take pressure off his shoulder by closing off his windup from the stretch. It enabled him to have an injury free season.
The Marlins had Sanchez pitch winter ball last year. That’s where he got hurt, NOT under Joe Girardi.
Josh Johnson? He had had elbow problems for the last two years. Similar to Humberto Sanchez in that way. Girardi had him on strict pitch counts because of it.
Yes, he shouldn’t have brought him back after the rain delay last year. That was a mistake. However, that mistake had never been connected to his present injury. Even by the Marlins executives who have routinely leaked garbage about Girardi to the media at every turn.
Here is how unpopular Joe Girardi was with the players on the Marlins. When he was doing a Marlins game for Fox (his first game back to see his former team), the entire team stopped stretching to come over and greet him when he came on the field. There were hugs all around and the players were ready to blow off the rest of their stretching session to spend more time with him until Girardi told them to go back and finish stretching. He didn’t want them to show up Fredi Gonzalez, their present manager, by monopolizing the players time.
Why is it so hard to understand the Yankees have two very, very good candidates choose from in this search? Why the need to write nonsense to rip one guy or the other?
Having two good candidates for the job is a good thing.
As much as it pains me to say,the Sox are playing incredible baseball and a SWEEP is imminent. Schilling didn’t have to pitch more than 5 innings because of the great bull pen work.
Go Yanks 2008!
Wasn’t Girardi “forced to play” the young talent because they traded away most or all of the quality veterans AFTER they hired Girardi? Didn’t the front office (GM) kind of set the tone for the relationship at that point?
Let’s see, if Mattingly gets the Yankee job, Girardi has an offer (?) to run the Dodgers! If Girardi gets the Yankee job, do you think the Dodgers would take Mattingly? I don’t. So Girardi should get the Yankees job due to his vastly superior experience IMHO.
OK, Donnie doesn’t seem as energetic as Girardi or “The Water Cooler Killer,” Paul O’Neill. But, I wrote down a couple of original insights here… where are they… oh yes: “Still waters run deep” and “Don’t judge a book by its cover.”
As for all the folks who want Girardi for his energy and strategy, IMO, be careful what you wish for. Torre managed Girardi and O’Neill and kept their energy flowing in a positive way, rather than letting it degrade into second-guessing, grumbling or self destruction when things went bad for them individually.
Paul, whose brand of play I love dearly and miss, is antsy. You can see it on the YES broadcasts still and you remember him as a player. He’d be exhausted by the 6th inning from making faces, twisting on the bench, beating up water coolers and agonizing over every blown call by an ump along with missed swings. Torre kept that energy channeled in the right direction.
Girardi is an engineer by education. Notice however that without Torre’s influence, Girardi blew up in his first managing job, after waiting a lifetime for the opportunity. That’s got to make you wonder. I’ve known my share of engineers and if any profession has a personality (lawyers are cold, combative, hypersensitive and arrogant, see, e.g., LaRussa), engineers do. They are capable of constructing the most intricate plans and elegant solutions, but are usually intractable once they make up their minds. As I said, just my opinion.
I think Girardi could succeed as Yankee manager, but don’t doubt Donnie Baseball just because he seems drowsy on the outside.
SJ44 –
I thought I remembered hearing how much the players loved playing for Joe G. I didn’t know just how much, though.
_Why the need to write nonsense to rip one guy or the other?_
It’s fun and it kills time at work. For the most part it’s just plain local-corner-bar fun. Now if we only had bocce ball and beer nuts.
well said, Dawg!
I’m hoping JoeG can lure Paulie outta semi-retirement. Didn’t Paulie say last week on Kay’s show, he’d coach for G.
I don’t understand trying to pin Sanchez on Girardi, but Josh Johnson is definitely on him. If he did have past arm issues along the lines of Sanchez, or Hughes early in his MILB career, then it just makes the decision to bring him back even worse. I know we all killed the guy for attacking Mattingly yesterday for not arguing one call in one game as the interim manager, but making even one horrible decision with a young pitcher’s arm scares the crap out of me.
Girardi’s problems with Beinfest were simple. Beinfest didn’t hire him, the owner did and that created friction from Day One.
If your owner was sitting behind home plate cussing out the home plate umpire, you too would tell him to “shut up”, which Girardi did.
Likes to play veterans? Did you watch the Marlins last year. He played mostly KIDS! He turned a Rule 5 guy (Dan Uggla) into an all star. He had an all kid starting staff.
Miguel Cabrera didn’t show up 60 pounds overweight, like he did this year, under Girardi. He also wasn’t suspended at any time for insubordination. He was suspended twice this year for it.
If he was so bad with young pitchers, how come ALL of them performed better under him (including Dontrelle Willis) than under Fredi Gonzalez.
Here’s all you have to know about Joe Girardi. Last year, Scott Olson (another young pitcher) had a 4 run lead against the Phillies. He didn’t get a third strike call the next half inning. He went postal and promptly gave up 5 runs to blow the lead.
Olson has a reputation of being difficult to work with and a hothead.
Girardi is waiting for him at the top step. He GRABS HIM BY THE JERSEY, and walks him toward the tunnel. The TV Camera is following him the entire time. He gets right in his grill and rips the crap out of him.
After the game, everybody is at Olson’s locker asking him about it. Guess what he says? He says he DESERVED IT and had no problems with Girardi!
When was the last time a player said that? Usually, they complain they are being “shown up”.
That tells me, along with the reception he got when he came back to do a game for FOX, that he had the respect of his team. That’s all you can ask for with a manager.
Obviously, Girardi is not going to grab a veteran like that. He was trying to make a point with a young player and show them they can’t lose their composure over ball/strike calls.
He “hated” playing young players so much, he sent Olson out there for the next half inning and he eventually won the game.
As I said before, the Yankees can’t go wrong with either Mattingly or Girardi. Both guys will get the job done.
“Let’s see, if Mattingly gets the Yankee job, Girardi has an offer (?) to run the Dodgers! If Girardi gets the Yankee job, do you think the Dodgers would take Mattingly? I don’t. So Girardi should get the Yankees job due to his vastly superior experience IMHO.”
Doesn’t really mean much to me. They’re two different situations, and the Dodgers’ GM and owner are horrible.
“Likes to play veterans? Did you watch the Marlins last year. He played mostly KIDS! He turned a Rule 5 guy (Dan Uggla) into an all star. He had an all kid starting staff.”
He wanted Beinfest to get more veterans for him. He played the kids because Beinfest made him. The 2006 Marlins were Larry Beinfest, not Joe Girardi.
B-
maybe you’re just scarred cuz we’re so close to Halloween.
Anyone going to Village for the annual parade?
just one observation,peoples…
Joe G. and Donnie both have alot of positives, as well as their share of negatives. i like them both from their playing days.I would not be against either man being manager. I do know one thing i am glad I don’t have to pick one of these 2. that being said, i wonder if the powers that be will seriously consider Pena? he is my dark horse and I am not sure he would not do well, either
“Girardi is waiting for him at the top step. He GRABS HIM BY THE JERSEY, and walks him toward the tunnel. The TV Camera is following him the entire time. He gets right in his grill and rips the crap out of him.”
I’m sure this attitude will work really well with a team full of stars.
He wanted more veterans DOWN THE STRETCH because they had a chance to make the playoffs! With mostly kids!
The 2006 Marlins were not Joe Girardi’s team? How did they do this year?
Interestingly, the Marlins actually went out and signed some veteran players last off-season to bring “more experience” to the roster. Funny, that’s what Girardi wanted down the stretch.
If you are going to rip the guy, at least have some facts.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Beinfest isn’t the GM anymore. The Marlins moved him out of that spot, giving him a “Promotion” (some in the game see it as a demotion) to an overseer of the Baseball Ops side.
He was so “good”, Loria pulled the plug on him a year after they got rid of Girardi.
“The 2006 Marlins were not Joe Girardi’s team? How did they do this year?”
Hard to win when many of your key young pitchers are injured.
Do you read B or just post nonsense? I said, he wouldn’t do that with star players. He doesn’t have to since the veteran players on the Yankees don’t need it. But, kids like Cabrera (when he keeps refusing to stop sliding into first base) and Cano (when he drifts off) sure as hell could use some tough love.
He was so “bad” at his job, the Marlins went completely off the tracks this season.
The biggest complaint about the 2007 Marlins? They played with no sense of urgency and made a ton of mental mistakes every night. Two things you never heard about the 2006 Marlins.
SJ44 — On the money with that analysis. It should also be noted that at the time of the rain-delay game (where Girardi let his young starter go back out after 80+ minutes) was at a time in early September when the Marlins still had a shot at making the playoffs. Johnson wanted to stay in and he had been very effective. Indeed it may have been a mistake, but it was an in-game decision and based on an assessment of the pitcher at the time.
None of the pitchers were abused on the Marlins. Did they work a lot? Hell yes! They were pitching very well and the Marlins were hoping to make the playoffs.
As I have said, despite my raising concerns with Mattingly based on the very small amount of evidence available, as a fan and season ticket holder, I am happy with any of the three candidates — far happier than I was when I heard some journeyman manager with a losing record was going to replace Buck in 1996… Is that a bad sign?
Really? Was Dontrelle Willis injured? Miguel Cabrera? Dan Uggla? How about not re-signing Joe Borowski (against Girardi’s wishes)?
They went out and signed Aaron Boone in the off-season, a guy Girardi wanted at the trade deadline last year (when they were in playoff contention), but the Marlins refused to deal for him.
With the exception of Hermida and Uggla, all of the players who played for Girardi had worse seasons in ’07 than they did under him. Coincidence? I doubt it.
_Far happier than I was when I heard some journeyman manager with a losing record was going to replace Buck in 1996… Is that a bad sign?_
I actually was nervous when Billy took over for Bill Verdon, back in ’75. But other people were EXCITED. They were right.
SJ44 is in fact Joe Girardi.
i had a dream last night that they hired Girardi. Hope it’s a premonition…..and it sucks living in MA right now. I can’t go 10 minutes of the day w/o being reminded of the red sux
“Really? Was Dontrelle Willis injured? Miguel Cabrera? Dan Uggla? How about not re-signing Joe Borowski (against Girardi’s wishes)?”
Neither Dontrelle Willis nor Joe Borowski are good players.
One other thing about Girardi and the young pitching staff.
When EVERYBODY on the staff is young, how do you determine who to rest and who not to rest during the season?
When the Tigers shut down Verlander for a spell last year, they still had veterans in the rotation. Guys like Kenny Rogers and Jeremy Bonderman could pick up the slack. They had a swing guy like Zach Minor who could make a couple of spot starts. The Marlins didn’t have any options like that.
In fact, each time Girardi suggested they find somebody, he was rebuffed.
With the exception of Dontrelle Willis, EVERY starter on the Marlins in 2006 was a rookie. Since the team had no interest adding a veteran arm (such as the late Corey Lidle, for example) to take some of the stress off the young pitchers, Girardi (who was also in playoff contention at the time) didn’t have the luxury to rest some of the young arms.
If folks don’t want Joe Girardi to manager the Yankees, fine by me. If they don’t want Don Mattingly, fine by me.
But, to just write nonsense about either guy is just uninformed foolishness.
I expect that crap from Red Sox fans. I don’t expect it from Yankee fans.
The Yankees have two very, very good options here. They can’t go wrong with either hire.
If Willis and Borowski aren’t “good players” (not sure I agree) isn’t it a testimony to the manager for having a team filled with “not good players” so close to the playoffs?
i think we are missing the point on the marlins. To say that girardi blow out arms is wrong, if you look at how many innings they pitched last year compared to their minor league record indicates that girardi didnt blow out any arms. What we need to see is that young pitchers tend to break down. It happens. We cant go and count on joba, hughes and ipk to be healthy all season. Obviously the yankees have the resources to get those “swing guy.” But as fans of the yankees we must realize that of those 3 pitchers, chances are against them that they will break down
and one more thing, whats with this BS that cashman is picking the manager. Seems that the motto we kept hearing on this board over and over that the stiens have always picked their managers and will always pick their managers really went out the window.
Fact is, these arent the george yankees anymore. And that might be a good thing
SJ44,
Excellent posts and thank you for answering those absurd attacks on Girardi with FACTS! You know, those things that people with an ax to grind don’t want to hear!
I’m glad they’re taking their time and hopefully doing this right!
I Do want Girardi and have always said so. I don’t like the bashing of either of them because one of them will be our new manager and we need to be behind them. That being said, IF Donnie actually will leave the organization because he feels this job is owed to him, then don’t let the door hit you on your way out! I find it hard to believe that the Donnie we all know and love would really feel that way. He doesn’t DESERVE a crack at the job just because he’s Don Mattingly. If he’s not picked, he should manage the AAA team to get the needed experience. We all know that if we don’t win the whole thing, whoever is in the position won’t be there long! And how do we know that Donnie actually feels that way?
After i learned about this Olson incident for the first time this morning, I ran across a tidbit about girardi, with some quotes. “For me,” he told writers this night, “the fun is when the season is over. I mean, I enjoy the time before the game with the guys. But the games for me are not a whole lot of fun. It’s work.”
http://findarticles.com/p/arti....._n16492283
Th Yankees have one very good option and one mediocre option.
migames,
I thought Cashman is supposed to make a recommendation to the owners and then the Steinbrenners have the final say.
Not a good night for the Cashman-is-God squad.
The prospect he gave away for a bag of birdseed in 1998 gets the big hit, the veteran pitcher he turned his nose up at in favor of Javier Vazquez gets the win, and the reliever who begged to come to the Yanks for spare change, but was ignored in favor of a $46 mil flop, gets the crucial outs. All for our most hated rival.
Still, most here insist he does no wrong.
Dr Acula said: “Btw, what the hell is a “director of mental conditioningâ€?? Do they compose crossword puzzles and Yankee scrabble?”
Remember when Mussina was saying stuff like “whenever the ball leaves my hand, I have it stuck in my head that nothing good could come of it”?? I’m hoping the director of mental conditioning had Moose’s head examined and screwed it back on straight.
I’ve been thinking that if the decision is fast, it will definitely be Mattingly. And with each passing day without an announcement, Girardi’s chances go up.
jonnycat,
Thanks for the link to that story. That “one sharp rookie” would now make us “one sharp manager”! He’s got what I believe we are relly looking for!
“I’m sure this attitude will work really well with a team full of stars.”
Do you really think that Girardi is incapable of understanding the difference between dealing with a problem with a young player and one with an established star? Seriously?
Mike Lowell was traded because 3rd base was taken
Curt Schilling was traded to the red soxs.
And as for the reliever begging to pitch for the yankees. A player from japan can beg all they want, but its whoever puts up the most money.
You can bash cashman all you want, but you good examples, not the crap you threw out
B:
“Young pitchers do just get hurt, which is why you don’t risk them in situations like that. It’s common sense and if Girardi is willing to make that decision then I don’t entirely trust him with P-Huge and Joba.”
Do you even know who was pitching for the Mets that day? It was another young pitcher Oliver Perez and he had an even better year this year. To blame all of the Marlins pitchers injuries on Girardi is shortsighted to say the least.
“Still, most here insist he does no wrong.”
Name a person that thinks Cashman does no wrong.
btw, Colangelo wanted far more from the Yankees for Schilling that he asked for from the Sox because he was pissed at George for reaching a contractual agreement with Wells after he had a handshake agreement with him.
But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of your attempt to distort reality.
Pete
Someone just told me that Boras and A-Rod are on the move today to meet with the Yanks. Have you heard this?
“Do you even know who was pitching for the Mets that day? It was another young pitcher Oliver Perez and he had an even better year this year. To blame all of the Marlins pitchers injuries on Girardi is shortsighted to say the least.”
When did I blame any other injury on Girardi? All I said was I think it was a troubling decision to use Johnson in that manner.
Personally, I have no preference either way. But two reports have circulated that both A-Rod and Posada are leery of Girardi. If true, in either’s case, that alone should disqualify him. (See today’s Star Ledger, where Posada expresses “discomfort” with Giradi)
The players the Yankees field next year are far more important than the manager. And Posada, Rivera, A-Rod, and Pettitte are all musts.
I’m pleased to see the Yankees are going to pick up Abreu’s option. NY Post. He may not be worth $16 million but for one more year the Yankees could do much worse.
Dr. Acula
October 26th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Why the need to write nonsense to rip one guy or the other?
It’s fun and it kills time at work. For the most part it’s just plain local-corner-bar fun. Now if we only had bocce ball and beer nuts.
AGREED!!!!!
Some posters here have suggested that because Girardi managed the Marlins with an iron fist, that must be his signature approach. I want to counter that one year does not a trend make. The Marlins team was full of young players and he was right to apply more disciplines. But if you have ever listened to him on the booth at all, you would have realized that Girardi has great insight on each player’s unique style, talent and temperament, and what situations suit each best. Based on that I’m very confident that his management style will be flexible to cater to each team and player, and not one size fits all.
Watch Posada’s Yankeeography again and see if he has problems with Girardi.
Unless something has happened from the time that was done to now, he spoke glowingly about Girardi.
Arod and Girardi? Fatso and Fruit Loops speculated about Girardi being another Buck Showalter and how Arod would hate it.
Since they threw it out there a few weeks ago, its become “fact” that Arod hates Girardi. No clue if its true or not.
see, isn’t all arguing fun!
It’s like being at the local dive.
Who’s “Fatso and Fruit Loops” ? You mean Mike & Mike ?
The one thing I love after reading through the comments is how everyone knows EXACTLY how Girardi is going to be as a manager based on countless media reports – which as proven by Fox News are 100% accurate – his 1 year of managing. The fact that he has an engineering degree and that accounts for his actions as a manager is the icing on the cake. He can’t manage. He is really one bad call by the umps from becoming the Zodiac Killer…
Then with Mattingly, everyone knows he is great because he was a great baseball player. Adding to his resume is 4 years with the Yankees, one as a hitting coach and 3 as a bench coach. I know I may have my facts wrong but where was the significant contributions he made as a hitting coach or bench coach that were any different than Kevin Long or Girardi when he was coaching.
The other part that is interesting is how flip-floppy everyone is on how the Yankees need youth, fire and energy… but in the same breath, but the Yankees need to coddle their stars/vets. They make too much money to play for Girardi’s style of managing. That is ridiculous!
With all the insight in here, it is hard to fathom how none of you can correcly call the NYLotto numbers. Life is a mystery.
“Mike Lowell was traded because 3rd base was taken.”
Correct. But does that mean Cash had to give him away? As to Okajima, if we’d paid him $45 mil, and forgotten about no-talent Igawa, we’d have had an extra million left over for a kick-ass parade.
I love when Cash supporters argue that other teams sell their assets short to our competitors just to spite us. Apparently the vast anti-Yankee conspiracy trumps their desire to improve their own clubs.
I heard about A-Rod’s misgivings with Girardi in an interview Kay conducted with Bob Klapisch. I don’t trust the Fatman and the Hot Dog, but I do Klapisch. He’s one of those national reporters who is pretty cautious about his claims. He lacks the reckless arrogance of a Olney.
I hope Cashman’s smart enough to confirm whether any of it’s true before making his decision. But with the way the Brass have conducted themselves lately, I don’t much faith in them either.
If Cashman blows it with any of the Big Four Free-Agents (I include Pettitte given the structure of his option), I’m not going to forgive him.
randyhater,Cashman hasn’t got a free pass from me .He fielded this team and Mr T (Torre)worked the best he could with all the injuries.
The old saying holds true .You can’t win the World Series in april,but you sure can lose it.With all the injuries the Yankees had includinge multiple palyer slumps,(Damon,Jeter,Bobby,Alex,Matsui,Leche,Cano) being only 2 games from the division lead was remakable.Another mistake Mr T made was not putting Damon,(Sore calves),Matsui(bad knees)and Jeter ( knee injury)on the Dl.Damon and Jeter hit so many force outs and or dp’s it was pathetic!
That’s where Cashman saved his job this year.He brought up the baby bombers from the farm,who actually contributed to us getting to post season,and took the spotlight off himself.
I still have great concern over the amount of innings Phil, Joba and Ian are expected to pitch next season,especially counting the post season innings.
So, can the Yankees afford to hitch their wagon to “The Greatest” player in baseball, that doesn’t impact post season play?(Alex)Also,do the Yankees need a player that no pitcher fears at the plate in post season? The pitchers read the scouting reports to.)
I only heard of The Greatest,and he’s not in baseball.(boxing)The greatest should be a force to reckon with is that Alex?
Fatso and Fruit Loops = Mike and the Mad Dog. That’s the nickname Imus gave to them years ago.
_I love when Cash supporters argue that other teams sell their assets short to our competitors just to spite us._
But that’s true. Doncha remember, Texas did that with Gagne (thank goodness).
Do you not think whatever percieved player agreements/disagreements any candidate has wouldn’t come up in the interview process?
Its not like these guys work in a vaccum. They do know what’s going on.
The question is, are any strained relationships permanent? Can they not be mended if in fact they are strained?
We won’t know the answer to that question.
Fatso and Fruit Loops = Mike and the Mad Dog. That’s the nickname Imus gave to them years ago.
that’s right. I can’t listen to russo. I listened to the Bowa podcast. it was painfull, I could only take it in 5 minute bites.
BTW, I don’t know how many of you read The New Yorker but if not, BUY this week’s edition. GREAT, GREAT profile of Scott Boras.
The guy who wrote the piece did a profile of Manny in April that was excellent. This one on Boras is even better.
The New Yorker uses big words.
Catya
The Yanks have proven time and again that they can afford to do whatever they want to. If not A-Rod, then who becomes the right handed power bat that the Yanks need? A-Rod costs $$ not prospects. If the Yanks are truly trying not to sell the farm, you make sure he doesn’t leave. The fact that he’s an asset on defense, on the basepaths and has taken a mentor role with some of the younger players doesn’t hurt either.
New Yorker article on Boras was good. It’s online if you don’t want to buy the magazine.
Girardi..can’t manage. He is really one bad call by the umps from becoming the Zodiac Killer.
Oh c’mon! there is no evidence that Gee dabbles in cryptography!
“Do you not think whatever percieved player agreements/disagreements any candidate has wouldn’t come up in the interview process?”
No, I don’t. Haven’t you ever worked with that guy who is insufferable, so much so that he doesn’t know no one can stand him? It’s not like Posada and A-Rod would tell Girardi, I don’t like you very much.
The question is whether Cashman asked the players, not whether he asked the managerial candidates.
And with the way the Yankees’ leadership handled Torre, I take nothing for the granted with them.
After this President, the arrogant blindness of power never surprises me anymore.
Pat, don’t get me wrong Alex brings value.I’d love him to stay.His agent pushes a lot of hype that Alex isn’t at present able to deliver.Sure he has a great season,but how many years do the Yankees wait for his post season”Greatness” to show up? To be considered Great shouldn’t you hit clutch Some of the time? I’m not a beantown fan but look at Ortiz,Manny,Lowelland midgee(Pedroia)You know they will hit and or get on base. Could we say the same about Alex? So if the Yankees keep Alex he shouldn’t break the bank,there are more consistent players.
I’d take Mike Lowell any day.He hits regularly even in clutch situations,and isn’t bad at 3rd.
Thanks, Pat!
I’m just being lazy. Reading is “hard work” Plus, those cartoons scare me. Speaking of which, Charles Addams cartoons first appeared in the new yorker.
Than the Yankees might need to contact some of the vets and ask them how they would feel having a former teamate managing them. As i’ve pointed out in the past he was their bench coach, so if there weren’t problems than, there really shouldn’t be problems now.
“Sure he has a great season,but how many years do the Yankees wait for his post seasonâ€?Greatnessâ€? to show up?”
Did you miss the 2004 ALDS?
B this is 2007 what has he done lately?
“B this is 2007 what has he done lately?”
.314/.422/.645
96.6 VORP
catya
I will confess right up front that I am a Boston fan. With that being said I am interested in what happens both to Arod and Mike Lowell. I think both the Yankees and the Red Sox have a tough call on Arod and Lowell. Arod has been phenomenal during the regular season but even the most avid Yankee fan would admit that he has been at least disappointing in the post regular season. From all accounts his agent Scott Boras is wanting something like a ten year contract at over 30 million per year! On the other hand, it was not Manny or Ortiz that had the most RBI’s this year in Boston but Lowell. But he is getting older and you have to wonder when his production will drop off. If he wants nothing less than a four year contract does Boston give it to him? This off season will be most interesting and very soon because we will know within 10 days after the Series whether Arod opts out of his contract with the Yankees. It would be strange if Arod ended up with Boston and Lowell with the Yankees this next year.
Here’s the link to the new yorker article….
Johnny Damon, whose binder included ten chapters and predicted that he would end up playing more games than any center fielder in history, says, “He made me feel like Ty Cobb.�
and here is a quote that will stay in my mind for a long time….. Johnny Damon, whose binder included ten chapters and predicted that he would end up playing more games than any center fielder in history, says, “He made me feel like Ty Cobb.â€?
whoops, here’s that link!
http://www.newyorker.com/repor.....rentPage=1
B what does that matter, when as Yankees fans we are still watching a team we could beat, win the series? Stats are a great read once you are put of postseason play,like now have at it!
Catya
I like Mike Lowell’s play alot at third base but he doesn’t answer the Yankees need for a power bat. He’s a very good hitter but Matsui in the 4th spot in the order would get you the same results as Lowell and I don’t see many thinking that’s a good option. Boston is the perfect place for Lowell. He’s got the Ortiz/Manny combo hitting before him which can’t hurt. Does Abreu and Matsui give him that kind of protection in NY. The green monster hits he gets in Fenway are outs in Yankee Stadium.
I have a different take on the postseason than most I guess. In football they use the analogy that teams pay players to practice, Sundays are for free. I think of baseball the same way. Teams pay a player for 162 games. What they get beyond that is a bonus. I know that’s heresy being a Yankee fan. I like the titles but I like the game more. Watching A-Rod have the year he had was not only fun but historic. I think people discount that way too easily.
Ray it’s a hard call on Lowell and alex I agree. Should be intresting though.
Did anyone see the quote from Boras saying he wasn’t “in the Economic Phase”? Shove it.
I can’t imagine negotiating with that blowhard without noise cancelling headphones on. Just look at the offer we make to his A-Rodness then accept it, counter it, or walk.
Keep the A-Rod Britannica volumes 1-3 projecting his 1000 HRs to yourself or sell it on E-Bay. Maybe Tom Hicks, the Ranger’s owner would enjoy leafing through it.
Boras is a blow hard. I read the Yankees didn’t like him linking Alex to the Yesnetwork and suggesting they have Yes pay some of his salary. Boras makes me sick!! Why doesn’t Scott talk about Alexs lofty ba in the playoffs and how he always comes up with the clutch hit? HMM maybe cause it hasn’t happened lately?
B this is 2007 what has he done lately?
I’m guessing you weren’t a Yankee fan pre 1996.
Pat,
I agree with you the game is fun. I don’t want Alex gone.It’s his agent with all the hype about Alexs’ value that’s driving all this money ball talk. When your PR machine hypes you as the Greatest,you need to show up in post season.That’s all I’m saying.Just look at all the rookies that are making a impact this post season.Shouldn’t some one labled the Greatest be able to do that too? ?What are the Yankees paying for if not?
I hope that Lowell great performance in the playoffs off a solid year make the BoSox appetite for A-Rod shrink. The fans there love him and after a string of bad moves for Theo, resigning Lowell would help his cause with the miscreant Nation.
There really aren’t any teams that can bid with the Yanks and Boras knows it.
Dr. Acula
October 26th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Girardi..can’t manage. He is really one bad call by the umps from becoming the Zodiac Killer.
Oh c’mon! there is no evidence that Gee dabbles in cryptography!
Sorry… thought thats what the posters were saying that because he was an engineer and “showalter like” he failed the ink blot test during the interview.
Rumor has it he use to cut newspaper clippings from the other side of the paper containing Mussina’s crosswords. Could be the reason Mussina lost speed on his fastball…
TKinDC,Alex and Varitek on the same team,I can’t see it,
Stranger things have happened.
Does any Yankee fan actually _like_ Boras? I don’t mean respect him, he’s obviously doing his job and doing it well, but I mean, does anyone actually think “Whoo Scott Boras?”
Big news! I’ve changed my mind and now prefer Girardi over Donnie Baseball. I think the fact that Girardi was a catcher and has experience as a broadcaster puts him over the top for me. However, I am not ruling out Donnie as bench coach, I think they can make that work.
Playing devil’s advocate to everyone’s hatred of Boras — maybe he is suggesting an option that can help the Yankees. What if A-Rod takes on some “added media responsibilities” (which could be very minimal or non-existant) for the YES Network. Then YES could pay him a chunk of money instead of the Yankees for his non-baseball services and the Yankees payroll would be lighter for luxury tax and other purposes. For example, if the Yankees paid A-rod $28m per year for baseball and YES paid him $5m a year to host an off season show about fly fishing (or more likely, about baseball) with a minimal time commitment, the Yankees don’t take on the entire nut of his salary and pay less to the degenerate teams of the league… just thinking outloud…
Jeffnj,
how about the fact that Joe G was a catcher and knows how to work with pitchers,that’s a plus too. Everbody knows th the Yankees needed all the help they could get in that dept.
I like Scott Boras. If I was a baseball player I’d definitely hire the guy.
Catya
I’m not a fan of Boras’ inflammatory style but I respect him for the job he does for his clients. People don’t like defensive attorneys who get clients off on murder charges but that’s what they get paid to do. Boras gets results and that’s what he’s paid to do.
As for Rookies who have great postseasons, take a look at A-Rod’s rookie postseason. You might be surprised with the results. Being labelled the greatest is a career achievement and only lasts until the newest greatest comes along. Get back to me in 10 years on the career achievements of some of the rookies who are performing so well in this years playoffs. 50% probably won’t even be in the game anymore.
With great hype do come great expectations but with A-Rod I get the feeling that nothing would ever be enough. If he had a postseason where he hit .400 and the Yanks still lost, would his postseason numbers mean anymore to the overall good of the team. It seems to me that the post season is littered with the stories of the role player coming up with the big play rather than the superstar making the big play. There are more role player types out there so the odds are in their favor.
Rebecca,NO emphatically to your question on Boras.
Cashman has the call?!?!?!?!?
I thought he had been “marginalized!”
“after a string of bad moves for Theo”
I wish Cashman would make a string of bad moves that delievered us a World Series.
I still wish they gave Stump Merrill another look.
MLB would absolutely love for the Yankees to ink a ponderous 10 year deal at outrageous money for Alex. Nothing like maintaining the luxury tax status quo. I hope they aren’t stupid and have learned from past mistakes involving massive unmovable contracts.
People get way too hung up on playoff performance. It’s not and indication of anything. It doesn’t mean A-Rod won’t hit in the playoffs in the future. All it means is he didn’t hit extremely well in a few games (4 this year. 4!!!). He has performed in the playoffs in the past and will again in the future if he continues to get the chance.
Barry Bonds is the best player in his generation and he did nothing in 5 playoff series before 2002. Ted Williams is one of the top 3 players of all-time and he had a .200/.333/.200 line in his only playoff series. Were these guys not extremely valuable players?
I think Scott Boras takes himself a little too seriously, IMO. I wouldn’t want him as my agent. I would probably be my own agent if I was a ballplayer.
Catya, I agree, his being an ex catcher is big. Some of the best managers were ex catchers. Plus being media savvy is such a big part of the job here. Joe is the right choice, but Donnie please swallow your pride and stay on as bench coach.
B:
“I wish Cashman would make a string of bad moves that delievered us a World Series.”
David Justice trade is the first one that springs to my mind, but I’m sure there are others he had made.
Pepper Brooks-
I know, I’m playing along.
B-
Manny, Varitek, etc. predate Theo. And Theo tried not once, but twice to deal Manny before the 2004 season.
He lucked out with Big Papi. Ortiz was signed to backup Jeremy Giambi at DH. Sometimes dumbluck is better than all the mad skills, combined.
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Dr. Acula… Ya… thought I would add on…
It won’t be Donnie decision to stay as bench coach if Girardi gets the job.
The only way the Yankees can screw this up is to have both guys on the staff. Its a nightmare scenario.
Its not a matter of “swallowing pride”. Its not what’s in the best interests of either guy…..or the team.
One 4 game losing streak and all hell breaks loose if Girardi and Mattingly are on the same staff. Players start taking sides or going to the other guy if they don’t like something that’s suggested to them. Its not a good situation.
Life is sometimes about making tough decisions. To choose between the two is a tough decision. You just make it and go on. Its all you can do.
Theo also had Mike Lowell dealt to the Rockies for Todd Helton. They couldn’t reach agreement with Helton on a new deal so the trade fell through.
Sometimes, the best trades you make are the one’s you don’t make.
Pete, check out Sirius E Street Radio 24/7.
B
None of those players you mentioned made $25mill per season or its equivalent. None of those players would have ever opted out or had such clauses in their contracts. None of those other players were on teams that spent $200mill per season in order to make it to the playoffs year after year. Now Alex wants more money. Extraordinary money. With such request come extraodinary expectations. So the Yankees and their fans have every right to expect great things in the playoffs from a man who expects great contracts.
I don’t think I’ve heard people talking about this, but isn’t it viable to let Joe G. manage now, and let Mattingly go home for now but let him come back to become a manager not so distant in the future? Because of the style of Joe G, I don’t think he would last that long, even if he is reasonably successful.
Pat I’m not a Arod hater never have been .I know his rookie stats.If Arod hit 300 in postseason It would be enough.When you pay for something ,don’t you want what you pay for,without the person thinking your asking for to much? I’m just asking for him to deliver the goods,hit in postseason,please. It doesn’t even have to be a HR,just hit ,get on base often as you can.
Ty,
The Yankees don’t pay A-Rod $25 million (Thanks, Texas). He’s not even the highest paid player on the team.
And you can expect all you want, but the reality is anyone can not hit well over 4 games and it’s not an indication of their future performance.
B , are you speaking about Barry (small cajones)Bonds being the best player? How would we ever know he’s JUICED that taints the record.
Arghhh still no decision??
If I was Donnie B I’d be a bit concerned right now. At worst case I would think Yanks are negotiating a contract with Girardi. Best case is they want to give me the job but having second thoughts. Either way it’s not the best news.
I don’t believe for a second they’re respecting Bud Selig’s wish to delay announcement. That’s just Hank’s spin to buy more time and suck up to the commish now to build up currency for his future mishaps…for there will be plenty.
B
But is hasn’t really been only 4 games, has it? To be honest, if he just played out his contract at present money I would have no real issues, but he wants more money. With more money comes more pressure, so I truly expect this postseason malaise to continue as he endeavors to try to live up to an insurmountable contract. BTW, any contact extension would in all probability make him the highest paid player on the team.
Catya
A-Rod hit .267 and got on base .358 in the postseason this year. I guess that was as “often as he could”. I don’t pay him anything and enjoyed watching everything he did this year so I feel I more than got my moneys worth. Mr. Steinbrenner paid him 15 million dollars this year and wants him back to give him more next year. Guess he felt he got his moneys worth too.
catya,
Even if you take out the seasons he was allegedly on steroids, Barry Bonds was still the best player of his generation. He was that good.
I just examined the three candidates’ faces for cosmic clues, and concluded that if Mattingly gets the job, it’ll be because of his normal-shaped ears over Girardi and Pena’s elf-shaped ears.
I just read this on Nj’s website, but I have not heard this anywhere else so I doubt it is true.
There are two potential pitfalls to hiring Girardi. Catcher Jorge Posada, who is a free agent and could not easily be replaced, has told people he is not comfortable with his former teammate. The issues are unclear but seem to date to 2005, when Girardi was Yankees bench coach.
So Keith if everyone on this team sucks so much than don’t be a fan of it. Go root for the red soxs or somthing.
quite the article on boras. i’ve always liked boras because he sticks up for individual player rights. the casual fan doesn’t know about the kind of scene described in the new yorker article where he describes minor league players being cut in mass and the resulting crying of families and players in the parking lot afterwards. i believe boras takes this side of the game to heart when he goes after owners who would like to have it all their way.
the incompetent arrogance of hank steinbrenner toward players( “I don’t think it’s such a big deal to run around playing a damn game and getting paid millions of dollars for it.â€?) and the expertise of scott boras are on a collision course. while preferring girardi, i’m not that concerned if mattingly is named the manager,but i am concerned about the yankees losing arod.
if cashman really has authority over the negotiations with arod , i think there’s a good chance arod will stay a yankee. if negotiations have to be run through hank, it really will be “goodbye arod” as hank has rehearsed in his mind if things don’t go hank’s way.
losing arod will not be a good thing for the yankees.
if the yankees care about keeping arod,they need to lock hank in a closet with a muzzle on his mouth and leave cashman to negotiate with boras on an arod extension.
“Anyone see Eckstein last year? WS WVP! He’s what baseball is about.”
ok……registration anyone?
Pat, do you agree Arod is playing for an Owner that wants a WS win, or the season means nothing to him, without it?That’s the only stat Big Stein wants for the Yankees.
Next year when we are still sitting on the side lines saying “great year”,while watching the WS go to yet another team that got it right.WE’ll still be quoting “great stats”,and talking about our” great Yankee players”,and huge payroll that Big Stein can afford ,and that they hit the most home runs in a season… I can’t wait!(Of course, I hope I’m wrong.)
CaptainsCorners — who has Posada told that he is not comfortable with Girardi?
This is what Girardi said about Posada when he was bench coach:
“He (Jorge Posada) was always fiery, but when you’re a young player … some players aren’t sure they should follow you. Until you earn their trust, they’re not going to. He’s been here so long now and he’s so well known, they understand they follow him from day one. He’s going to do his job, he’s going to be prepared and he’s a great leader.â€?
I can see why Jorge would be upset…?
Randy l:
“the incompetent arrogance of hank steinbrenner toward players( “I don’t think it’s such a big deal to run around playing a damn game and getting paid millions of dollars for it.â€?)”
Is there an article where Hank Steinbrenner actually says these words, or are you being your normal libelous self?
Eh, Boras is o.k., but it’s not like he saved anyone’s life like Drew Rosenhaus did.
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Dee,
What does your cosmic facial reading tell you about Donnie’s equine nostrils? When they flare, does that mean he’s upset about a call or just trying to get extra oxygen?
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Re: Posada’s alleged problem with Joe G. Please don’t let the inmates run the asylum. Go with who’s right for the club at this time. Everyone has to deal with it because there will be no unanimous choice. Unless you go with the veterans choice, take Donnie, lose Girardi to some team, and MAYBE you can get him down the line long after the original veterans are gone anyway?
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And reality alert, the 2008 Yankees are not the 2006 Marlins. Girardi won’t be managing them the same way.
I read where the Posada-Girardi flap is from 2005 when Girardi was the bench coach and not from when they were teammates. Don’t know what year the Yankeeography was produced.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....921.column
from newsday on hank steinbrenner: This is all perfectly in character for a man who, in 1990, told the New York Times, “I don’t think it’s such a big deal to run around playing a damn game and getting paid millions of dollars for it.”
B, I’ll answer this for you again,GREAT Players don’t have to CHEAT. If Small Balls(Bonds) thought he was that good, why Cheat,and ruin your legacy.Only people who are insecure resort to Cheating. You can add ,subtract, multlply, or divide his record HE’s a Cheat!!!!! Once a cheater always a Cheater~
Did anyone email Pete to see if he has any idea where this story came from?
raymagnetic-
from a recent article in newsday on hank steinbrenner :
This is all perfectly in character for a man who, in 1990, told the New York Times, “I don’t think it’s such a big deal to run around playing a damn game and getting paid millions of dollars for it.”
Kill-Schill(ing)
I enjoy reading your posts but respectfully ask that you keep in mind this is a Yankees blog and gratuitous snide political comments do nothing to further the discussion here. Also please know that not all of us share the same political views that you obviously do.
randy l, please provide the link to this article you speak of.
Secondly, if the article is real, surely you have to think a person thinks differently 17 years ago then how they think now. No?
If Posada and Girardi had a flap, then Posada needs to get over it, Girardi as well.
Posada will have 44 million reason to shut is pie hole and play to his contract…
Girardi, if chosen, won’t let crap like that ruin his chances of being a WS winning manager of the NY Yankees.
Again, over payed crybabies need to go to the WWF not on the Yankees.
raymagnetic-
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....921.column
keith,
Pretty sure the Eckstein comments and the like were sarcastic.
Pepper, 44 million reasons to shut his pie hole. I like that. But what if he only has 39-40m reasons, would that give him justification to mouth off or whine?
rymagnetic-
i’ve posted the link several times ,but it doeesn’t come up on the blog
newsday- oct 26th
google: ” Hank’s credentials are few”
the article will come up.
#$!&@* the heck?
I wrote the eckstein comment. Thanks for letting me know I was being sarcastic.
sheesh, guys, calm down.
Can’;t we wait to have a manager before ripping him?
This crap is killing me. Mattingly is my favorite player and when he retired I cried. I always said he should come back and manage and now he’s in line and its not looking good. What I mean by that is if he were getting the job I’d think they would have already named him and moved on. I love Girardi but I still want my boy Donny to get the job. The longer they take the more I think Girardi is going to get the job. He’s a good choice. I think he’s a very good manager but man I dont want them to burn the bridge with Mattingly. This sux.
mel,
I’m guessing the nostrils flare when he’s managing in his own mind.
“GREAT Players don’t have to CHEAT”
Sure, tell that to all the players over the years who used corked bats, threw spitballs, took amphetamines, stoke signs, or any of a dozen other things that have been part of baseball for a century. Mantle, Mays, Rose, Ruth, etc.
There’s no doubt Bonds is a first class jerk, but I’m tired of people thinking it’s a simple black and white issue because their brains can’t process shades of grey.
Dave, what does this list of players you have named have to do with your point? Mantle, Mays, Rose, Ruth, etc.
TimH,
Greenies (amphetamines) have been common in the game since WW2. All those guys (with the exception of Ruth) likely used them. I remember an article a few years back about how Mays used to keep a bottle in his locker at all times.
Greenies are now on the banned substances list. They’re what Neifi Perez was suspended 80 games for using this season.
Here’s the article from 2005:
“Pete Rose and most players of his generation couldn’t take batting practice without first downing a handful of “greeniesâ€? — amphetamines. Willie Mays kept a bottle of “red juiceâ€? in his locker — the same stuff as greenies, but in a liquid form. We can’t say Hank Aaron was clean, because we don’t know what stimulants he took, if any. We can’t vouch for anyone’s purity.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6642822/
Bonds, is a cheat period.